WEBVTT - Chapter Two: Phil Spector and Ronnie Spector 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:09.800 Double Elvis. What were you doing thirty days ago? What 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:12.159 did you eat? What did you listen to? Did you 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.440 sing in the shower? Did you call your mom? Did 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.319 you laugh? Did you cry? Do you even remember what 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.080 day it was thirty days ago? Of course not, because 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.560 thirty days is a long time, which is why CarMax 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.599 gives you thirty long days to make sure you love 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.440 your car, and if you don't love it, you can 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.000 return it and get your money back the Carmacks thirty 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.840 day money Back Guarantee. It's car buying reimagined carmacksmit see 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.360 carmacks dot com for details. Technically, CarMax is a virtual 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.239 reality company. 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He's now sitting behind bars, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.680 serving a nineteen years to life sentence for murder. This 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:48.800 is his story told by a so called friends. This 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.800 is special Agent power moment the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.560 working case number double oh four dash one zero DAP 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.480 seven case subject of Specter Philip Harvey. This information pertains 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.240 to the period end in December fifteenth, nine four. Interview 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.560 subject to Specter of Veronica Vette Interview number seven DAST 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.600 zero five Dash three six dash six three Recall number one, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:22.480 February fourteenth, two thousand five. As time went on, they 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.480 started writing about him being a genius. He'd said, yeah, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.160 I am a genius, and then they'd say he's the 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:34.360 mad genius. So he became the mad genius. Anything they 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.040 wrote about him became he's a recluse, So he became 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.280 a recluse. I think if Phil hadn't read anything about himself, 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.880 he'd still be the same. But that's the story that 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.720 he became a replicat of everything he read about himself. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.760 I wouldn't say he's mad. I think a lot of 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.079 times he's pretending to be because I've seen him straight, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.760 and I've seen him act with that way of his 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.840 A lot of it may be mad, but a lot 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.440 of it is certainly intentional to let people wonder what 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.720 is this guy all about. I think he's always wanted attention. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.920 He's always wanted to be an artist on his own. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.960 He just didn't have the talent or or the voice. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.960 I think he's afraid to go back in the studio, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.920 afraid that it won't be a hit and that people 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.160 would start saying he's not such a genius. He wants 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.480 to keep that title, and you can't keep that title 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:52.840 without leaving a little blood on the tracks. M Chapter two, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:04:12.760 Phil Specter and Ronnie Specter. HM, oh, honey, I knew 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:17.880 them all The Rolling Stones opened for us. Keith Richard 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.279 put his eyes on me, honey. He wished his hands 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:25.919 were on me too. When the Beatles came to America 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.640 for the first time, Ringo called me from their hotel room. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.720 They were so green. Can you picture it? Ringo Star 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.960 calling Veronica? Been it? A girl from Spanish Harlem calling 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.960 Ronnie for a hot tip. From the first time Me 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.960 and the girls put our hair up and beehives. From 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.520 the first time we walked down West forty with thick eyeliner, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.919 dressed to the nines, we floated on air. We glided 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.960 real smooth, you see. From the first time, honey, it 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:02.200 was go time. It was We stood in line at 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.960 the Peppermint Lounge, walked that walk. That walk got us 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.040 the nod. The bouncer thought we were the entertainment. We 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:14.080 took the Expressway to the front of that line. From 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:18.880 that first time, doors opened behind one door, Keith Richards, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.080 behind another door, John Lennon behind door number three, a 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.440 hit record like you wouldn't believe you couldn't walk half 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.719 a block in New York City in the summer of 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.240 nineteen sixty three and not here be my baby coming 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:38.080 out of some tenement window or a car stereo. So, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.799 of course I thought that a life with Phil would 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:46.360 lead to more of the same. We'd be cut into 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.680 the front of every line, calling up the stars on 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:54.480 the phone, webbing elbows all that. Baby. But life with 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:59.640 Phil closed more doors than it opened, Honey. The only 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.640 door that Phil opened for me was the closet door, 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.240 and he shoved me in there. I am serious, Honey. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.800 The closets at the house Unlock Colina were big, but 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.359 they weren't that big. He kept me in that house 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.760 like a prisoner. I have said it before and I'll 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:20.799 say it again. I was his prisoner. If I wanted 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.880 to leave, if I wanted to go anywhere, or a walk, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.840 for a drive, go shopping, go see my friends, I 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.159 had to ask George brand to let me out of 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.839 my own damn house. You see, I was treated like 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:40.919 a child. I was a prisoner. George lived in the 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:46.080 basement George and his gun permit. Phil hired him as 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.280 his latest bodyguard. This was after Big Red, after a 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.000 mil Farcus bodyguard. Though George was just another way of 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:58.040 Phil justifying all the ship he did made him feel 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.600 like a big man. Phil. I could tell you to 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.000 fuck right off, and if you didn't like it, George 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.600 would appear from behind Phil's shoulders to make sure there 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:10.720 were no problems. Back to this closet, though, he locked 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:18.600 me in the damn closet upstairs, honey. He liked to 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.040 shoot me away to the bedroom when company came over, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.120 make myself scarce like I was some kept prize. Except 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.000 he never wanted to show anyone his prize. He wanted 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.360 the prize so he could say he had the prize, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.880 that he and no one else had it. He had me, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.240 and there I was that night, locked in the closet upstairs. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.400 He forced me inside, closed the door, locked it with 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.680 a pad lock or some ship. He had even put 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.480 a lock on our liquor cabinet around this time. He said, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.360 I had been drinking too much. But honey, I took 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.880 a screwdriver to that lock and busted it wide open. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.000 Wasn't my first rodeo. He put a bigger lock on it, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.960 and I found a bigger screw driver. There wasn't much 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.960 I could do from inside that closet. I screamed, Oh 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.960 I did, I yelled. I banged my fist against the doors. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.400 This wasn't no live from the Peppermint Lounge, Honey. I 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.400 wasn't floating my way out from between that rock and 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.080 a hard place. With a beehive and a smile, Phil 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.480 went downstairs to shoot pool with Don Krishner. They probably 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.680 reminisced about the past, which Phil was obsessed with, his 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.840 past hits, his past success, his past fame, all of 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.840 which eluded him. Now and when was this nineteen sixty nine. Probably. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.080 I mean, he's got the singer of one of the 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.440 biggest hits of the sixties stuck in a closet on 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.320 the second floor of his twenty one room mansion in 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.760 Beverly Hills. Is it any wonder that Fame Aloud did him? 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:07.920 Fame is a fickle bitch. Honey Manson had him paranoid 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.640 and anxious wired. Why do you think George was sleeping 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.719 in the basement with loaded weapons. We came home from 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.000 a trip to Vegas that August. Right after it happened, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.520 Phil went into a crisis mode. Hollywood went into crisis mode. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.480 He installed a chain link fence, barbed wire. He had 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.720 some warning signs put around in the place, you know, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.959 no trespassing, that kind of thing. And then you got 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.760 a couple of dogs, attack dogs. I hated those dogs. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.920 At this point, the point when I'm stuck in this 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.880 huge closet, I had already tried to start the divorce 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.199 process once we were not living the life I had envisioned, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.760 And now I wondered why I had dropped it. He 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.480 had me caged like an animal. On heard my screaming 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.720 and my bang, and he came running from downstairs. Pool 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.360 could wait. Whatever story they were batting around could wait. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.600 They could tell something was wrong, that someone was in 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.720 need of his help. Phil. Phil wouldn't help nobody unless 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.320 it helped him. Don through the closet door open and 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.240 pulled me out by my arm. He led me all 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.320 the way down the stairs, and then he kept going. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:28.480 We walked fast, right past Phil, past the antique French furniture, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.080 past the nineteenth century oil paintings, passed the photos of 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.040 me that he had plastered all over the walls, next 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:40.240 his Picasso, the Matador, past the Steinway grand piano. Don 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.160 kept walking until we were out of that house, and 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.560 then he asked me where I wanted to go. He 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:52.240 would take me anywhere but there, and I let him. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.240 I don't remember where we wound up going, but I 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.320 do remember that it wasn't long before I was back 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:35.959 at that mansion and back with Phil. It started real sweet, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.760 real innocent. I started with guitars tuning up and drum 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:45.560 sets pounding out a determined rhythm. I started with the 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.520 promise of two and a half minute song, short but 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.600 life changing. It started down an alley off Santa Monica 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.880 Boulevard near Vine Gold Star Recording studios. You'll be amazed 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.640 just how much can be done with sound. Nineteen sixty three. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.960 I was twenty, Phil was three. I didn't even know 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.520 he was married. He would bring me by his apartment 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.560 and I'd ask him about all the women's clothes that 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.120 were on his floor, on the edge of the bed, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:20.160 and he told me they belonged to his sister. It 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.280 was Darlene who told me that he was married. He 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.120 was with a girl named Annette. They were newly weds, actually, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.400 but at gold Star, at that tiny hole in the 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.240 wall studio that he loved. For whatever reason, it was 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.720 all me. He definitely favored me over a Stella Nedra. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.840 He focused on me, doated on me, and I ain't 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.720 gonna lie, honey. I liked the attention. Pretty Soon he 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.640 had me come sit with him in the control room, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.480 a smaller room within a small room, being a circle 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.000 inside a small circle. I felt bad leaving a Stella 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.440 Nedra behind, But what can I say? I thought I 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.120 could step on that pedestal he was offering without it 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.400 change in me. What was that Tina song? A fool 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:09.480 in love? He's got me smiling when I should be ashamed, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.199 got me laughing when my heart is in pain. Phil 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.680 started throwing his weight around. He would put himself between 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.440 me and other men. Didn't want anyone else making eye 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.120 contact with me, didn't want anyone talking to me. He 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:32.400 was marking his territory, staking his claim. And though it 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.920 may have seemed so at first, it wasn't a fairy tale. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.960 First off, he was married, newly married, you know the type. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.000 And second he was unreasonable for a guy who was 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.480 stepping out on his brand new wife, he could be 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:54.800 awfully entitled. Before we were even official. He was pulling 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.720 power moves whenever I left golds Are without telling Phil, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.000 even if I just walked out the door and into 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:05.440 the alley. Phil went from my lovable genius to he 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:13.320 got possessive, controlling, maniacal, even if it was just to 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.760 grab burgers down the street with Sonny Bono. Sonny was 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.920 a jack of all trades for Phil. Tell that Prisonnnny 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:28.359 Banger's Kangari drive that car. Phil's cravings were routine, expected 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.640 a dog from Pinks Burger from stands drive in. He'd 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.600 send Sunny to grab burgers and bring them back to 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.920 gold Star. So one day Sunny runs out for burgers, 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.840 not because Phil asked him to, but because he wants 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.600 a burger. L A burgers ain't nothing like them. They 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.480 come wrapped in these paper sleeves, self contained bliss with 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:53.240 a thick tomato slice in the middle. Sunny tells me 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.000 he's going to stands. I grabbed Nedra to run out 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.720 with them. Keep him company, get some fresh air. That 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.320 old Star air that got stale. Honey got stale real quick. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.000 Phil must have flown off the handle when he realized 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:16.120 I had left. When we got back to gold Star 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.600 with the burgers, it looked like a bomb had gone off. 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.520 Ship was knocked around, a chair upside down, Mike stands 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.440 on the ground, Papers scattered everywhere, Tape unspooled from the reels. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.920 Phil was out of breath, His face was red. His 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.560 hair the rug he had started wearing to add some 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.240 depth to his hair he was losing, was must up. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:39.480 He looked three seconds away from exploding. He called Sunny 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:45.440 Sunny Bozo. After that, Sunny's girl Share took me dancing 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.800 one night at the Purple Onion on the Strip, a 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.320 jazz joint that had dance contest nights. We went on 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.200 one of those dance nights, cut loose through the twist 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:58.520 and all that, and here comes Phil, a bat out 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.120 of hell, straight in through the front door, across the 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.880 dance floor. He pulled my ass out of there so 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:09.520 fast made the twist seem like a slow waltz. We 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.000 kept our relationship secret for many years, even though it 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.480 was obvious to those who are around us the most. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.760 I was a little embarrassed, not just that he was 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.960 still married, but for the way he treated me. But 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.840 I held out, held out for the promise that the 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.960 better days would outweigh the bad ones, that he would 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.640 be less unreasonable, less volatile. Once he split from a net, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.320 we would hold court with the princess and queens of 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.840 pop music and really be somebody. He got a Mexican 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.080 divorce in the mid sixties, around the time he moved 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:55.360 to la for good. He hated l A, the soun, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.600 the drugs, the people who would turned their noses up 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.400 at him when he was a kid kicking around the 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.640 Fairfax District. He was the least likely l A person 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.520 to be in l A. But he felt he could 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.040 bend the l A musicians to his will in a 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.600 way that New Yorkers never would. He had to be here. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:21.720 We got married in April nineteen. They shot Dr King 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.000 a few days before the wedding. Dr Martin Luther King, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.280 he apostle of non violence civil rights, has been a 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.000 shot to death dynasty. I thought my wedding was over. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.840 We were all in shock over the news. Phil Phil 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.960 went somewhere dark, somewhere alone at him, the King. He 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.040 locked himself in the bedroom for days, brought in a 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.200 reel to reel with them spools of Doctor King's speeches 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.280 that he just listened to Dr King talk for days 0:17:55.359 --> 0:18:13.520 on end. People. He told me that I just married 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.600 him for his money, for his fame, and you know 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.359 what baby moments like those, when he piled on the 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.760 anger and the insults, moments like those. Sure, maybe I 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.440 did it for the money and the fame and the attention. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.320 I'd say I didn't like what he had become, but 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.440 it's fairly obvious that he had always been that way. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.400 I wasn't going back down my Spanish Harlem broots would 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.600 snap back if they got bent. I yelled back at him, 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.160 told him he was washed up, that he hadn't made 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.280 a good record in years. Then he came after me. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:54.879 I spent my wedding night, locked in the bathroom at 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.480 the mansion on Lack Colina with my mother still banged 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.800 on the door and he made some heartfelt plea did 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.919 he bang on the door again? I didn't let him 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:15.040 in all night. We'll be right back after this world. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:22.960 World World. 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We're human unfortunately, but sometimes when we look around, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.119 we really do feel like we came from a different 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.679 time or galaxy. So we created a space for all 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.440 of us who wonder if we're in the right place, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.639 in the form of a podcast called In Our Own World. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.960 And this is your official invitation to join us on 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.280 our new planet, I mean podcast. Strap in for the ride. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.720 Warning it might get bumpy. We'll voyage through conversations about 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.879 every everything under the stars and maybe even pick up 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.119 a few passengers along the way. Listen to In Our 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.200 Own World starting April as part of the Michael Douta 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.119 podcast network, available on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:18.159 or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, honey, I'll be 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.480 the first to admit it. I was drinking too much. 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.520 I was drinking so much that I crashed the Camaro. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:33.840 This was the the White Camaro, the one Phil got 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.639 me for my twenty five birthday. My initials in silver 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.760 on the glove box. I'll remember the day I got it, 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:47.200 August t n a white ribbon rafted around it. That 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.119 first sight, I was in love. But there was a 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:54.800 caveat with that gift. There was always a caveat with Phil. 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.240 He bought an inflatable man doll that I had to 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.080 leave in the passenger seat anytime I drove around town 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.680 on my own. His paranoia and his need to control 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.720 me were reaching a fever pitch and in tandem. God forbid, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.360 someone saw me driving around l A on my own, 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.760 What were they gonna do? Flag me down, hopping the 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.080 car with me, make violent love to me right there 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.360 on the leather. So I had too many drinks one day. 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.000 The more I thought about Phil, the more irritated I became. 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:28.960 He wasn't making new music with me. He was barely 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:34.879 making any music at all. I hadn't sung on a 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.840 record of years, I had no social life. Film made 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.560 sure that I could barely think for myself at home 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.320 without asking Phil for mission. First, so I had another 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.800 drink and another. Then I got behind the wheel of 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.960 the Camaro, stuck an unlit cigarette and the mouth and 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.719 the blow up doll and put it in drive. New 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.639 safety features are standing hours. The last thing I remember 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.240 was swerving to avoid noncoming tree and then I was out. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.000 The Camaro was hanging off the side of a cliff. 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.600 How I didn't fall off the side of the cliff 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.640 to plummet to my death as anyone's guests. Maybe God 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.480 was looking out for me that day, or maybe he 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.240 wasn't He He did send me right back into the 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:27.240 arms of Phil Specter after all. My next birthday, my 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.320 twenty six birthday, we were in Vaguas to see Elvis Presley. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.760 Immediately after the show, Phil couldn't wait to ditch me 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:37.720 for the King on my birthday, Honey. He barely said 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.320 one word to me and pushed his way through the 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:44.200 crowd to get up close and personal with Elvis. I 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.800 went back to the hotel and got hammered. It would 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:52.440 be birthday to me, so let'sten. I adopted Dante to 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:57.760 Phil a hole. I thought being a mother would give 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.240 me something to focus on and not go over the edge, 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.360 like like I had driven over the edge in the Camaro. 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.320 But Phil wanted people to think I had actually given birth. See, 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.120 he told me to stuff a pillow under my shirt 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:14.440 when we had company, and then he doubled down. On children, 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.840 he tripled down. He adopted the twins, Gary and Lewis 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.760 without even telling me. He didn't even tell me. We 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.720 drove home one day and there they were, blonde hair 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.080 flowing in the wind as they ran around the mansion. 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:33.400 Merry Christmas, That's what he said to me. The kids 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.879 didn't stop me from thinking about performing again. Seeing Elvis 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:38.960 gave me the bug and I couldn't shake it. I 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.440 deserved to be on the same stage as Elvis. I 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.480 told Phil we needed to do something. It was time, 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:48.200 it was beyond time. Phil had just worked with George 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.560 Harrison on All Things Must Pass, and George told him, 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.960 I think, oh boy, a Beatle has a song for me. 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:00.240 The next thing I know, I'm signed up to Apple 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.200 Records and phillis telling everybody about my comeback album and 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.760 we fly out to Lundon to Abbey Road Studios to 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:12.040 cut a record with a beatle. So George gives me 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.720 this song, try something, buy some and I think, what 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.680 is this shit? I had no idea what that song 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:22.720 was about, and it was out of my range. Too. 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.040 It was too high. I just couldn't believe that this 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.000 was a song to bring my career back from the dead. 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.840 It was mid tempo, plotting and feel as usual, drenched 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:38.440 it with an orchestra. I just didn't get it, Honey, 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:43.439 Maybe I was just getting lost with the times. Well, 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.720 the song was a flop. Phil was depressed, how I 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:50.680 was depressed. The comeback album never happened. I never came back, 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.639 so I continued to hit the bottom whatever bottle I 0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.280 could find. Ye drinking gave me an escape when I 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:04.000 had nowhere to escape to. I was sent to doctors, 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.399 to institutions. Eventually, Phil had me join a A. So 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.720 I played that game. Didn't play it very well. It 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:15.399 was a game I didn't feel like playing. When I 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.160 came back from a A, the mansion was locked every door. 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.119 There wasn't a soul inside. Philip kept me in, and 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.520 now he was keeping me out. I couldn't keep up. 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.360 My mother was inside and heard my screams to open 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.960 the goddamn door. She left me in the side entrance 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.359 that the housekeeper and cook used, and then Phil was 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.880 there in my face. He was drunk. He had sent 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:43.080 me to psychiatrists into sanitariums into a a for being drunk, 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.439 And now he was drunk. I mean, hello, pot meat kettle. 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.520 He was yelling like he always did, told me I 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.560 was a drunk, told me I must be having an affair, 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.879 told me the lawyer up. He put his hands on me, 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.720 in my face, tackled me to the ground, told me 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.320 he would have me killed if I left the house, 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.919 that he had already bought a coffin for my funeral. 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:12.679 It was solid gold. The next morning I made my escape. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.080 I walked out the front door, the same door he 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.240 had locked on me, so I couldn't get back in 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.560 the same door I hadn't been able to walk through 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:26.320 on my own for years. Later, he tracked me down 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.720 and called me on the phone. Told me he threw 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.720 out all my ship. That's what he said. He said, 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.320