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Speaker 1: Double Elvis. What were you doing thirty days ago? What

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Speaker 1: Tracks is a production of I Heart Radio and double Elvis.

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Speaker 1: Phil Spector was a musical genius, one of the most

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Speaker 1: successful record producers of all time. He's now sitting behind bars,

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Speaker 1: serving a nineteen years to life sentence for murder. This

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Speaker 1: is his story told by a so called friends. This

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Speaker 1: is special Agent power moment the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

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Speaker 1: working case number double oh four dash one zero DAP

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Speaker 1: seven case subject of Specter Philip Harvey. This information pertains

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Speaker 1: to the period end in December fifteenth, nine four. Interview

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Speaker 1: subject to Specter of Veronica Vette Interview number seven DAST

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Speaker 1: zero five Dash three six dash six three Recall number one,

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Speaker 1: February fourteenth, two thousand five. As time went on, they

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Speaker 1: started writing about him being a genius. He'd said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: mad genius. So he became the mad genius. Anything they

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Speaker 1: wrote about him became he's a recluse, So he became

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Speaker 1: a recluse. I think if Phil hadn't read anything about himself,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he's mad. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: A lot of it may be mad, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is certainly intentional to let people wonder what

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Speaker 1: is this guy all about. I think he's always wanted attention.

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Speaker 1: He's always wanted to be an artist on his own.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't have the talent or or the voice.

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Speaker 1: to keep that title, and you can't keep that title

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Speaker 1: without leaving a little blood on the tracks. M Chapter two,

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Speaker 1: Phil Specter and Ronnie Specter. HM, oh, honey, I knew

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Speaker 1: them all The Rolling Stones opened for us. Keith Richard

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Speaker 1: Ronnie for a hot tip. From the first time Me

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Speaker 1: and the girls put our hair up and beehives. From

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Speaker 1: out of some tenement window or a car stereo. So,

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Speaker 1: Phil closed more doors than it opened, Honey. The only

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Speaker 1: Phil justifying all the ship he did made him feel

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Speaker 1: This wasn't no live from the Peppermint Lounge, Honey. I

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Speaker 1: He installed a chain link fence, barbed wire. He had

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Speaker 1: We walked fast, right past Phil, past the antique French furniture,

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Speaker 1: at that mansion and back with Phil. It started real sweet,

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Speaker 1: Seventy five was a long way from nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty four, when Ronnie, Estelle and Nadre stepped

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Speaker 1: The in sound from Spanish Harlemtown. Ronnie was hounded by everyone,

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Speaker 1: Specter's warning to the Stones manager Andrew lock Oldham, developed

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Speaker 1: pose and into one of a love struck puppy. Oldham

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Speaker 1: would tell him to watch himself. But Keith didn't easily

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Speaker 1: and beyond, and Keith would have his own secrets to

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