1 00:00:04,428 --> 00:00:06,628 Speaker 1: Good Morning Football is a production of the NFL in 2 00:00:06,708 --> 00:00:28,388 Speaker 1: partnership with iHeartRadio. Go Hey, Good Morning Football, present of 3 00:00:28,388 --> 00:00:30,428 Speaker 1: my old chapter Beef Jerky. Live in New York City. 4 00:00:30,468 --> 00:00:32,988 Speaker 1: Of course, It's Tuesday, December twenty seventh. I'm Jamie art 5 00:00:33,028 --> 00:00:36,468 Speaker 1: All missing one Amigo here, Peter Schager Das mccordy, of course. 6 00:00:36,508 --> 00:00:39,188 Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt was uptown in New York City hanging with 7 00:00:39,308 --> 00:00:43,908 Speaker 1: Naporlison talking about his NFL three sixty piece called who 8 00:00:44,068 --> 00:00:46,908 Speaker 1: If Not Us at Aris tonight on NFL Network at 9 00:00:46,948 --> 00:00:49,548 Speaker 1: eight pm Eastern. It's a project that is near and 10 00:00:49,628 --> 00:00:52,828 Speaker 1: dear to Kyle's heart, and he was on morning television 11 00:00:52,868 --> 00:00:56,108 Speaker 1: this morning talking about it. It's Ukrainian Football League players 12 00:00:56,228 --> 00:00:59,268 Speaker 1: turned soldiers. They put their families in safety and they 13 00:00:59,348 --> 00:01:00,788 Speaker 1: turned around and went to the front lines. And it's 14 00:01:00,868 --> 00:01:03,148 Speaker 1: incredible piece. Kyle's been involved with it since the war 15 00:01:03,308 --> 00:01:06,308 Speaker 1: began in Ukraine. He went to Europe to meet with 16 00:01:06,348 --> 00:01:08,388 Speaker 1: the families. We've watched him go through this and produce, 17 00:01:08,428 --> 00:01:10,188 Speaker 1: help produce this piece. It's been really cool. Yeah. And 18 00:01:10,188 --> 00:01:12,428 Speaker 1: if you were watching the Christmas Eve Classic between the 19 00:01:12,508 --> 00:01:16,068 Speaker 1: Raiders and the Steelers immediately afterwards, this it's gonna arrogant 20 00:01:16,068 --> 00:01:18,508 Speaker 1: tonight at eight pm. So I urge everybody if you 21 00:01:18,628 --> 00:01:22,108 Speaker 1: if you love great storytelling and great content. Kyle's amazing 22 00:01:22,148 --> 00:01:24,748 Speaker 1: in it. But it's truly a really heartwarming story, and 23 00:01:24,868 --> 00:01:26,188 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a good end to it 24 00:01:26,268 --> 00:01:27,588 Speaker 1: at the end of it. Yeah, for sure. I get 25 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:29,268 Speaker 1: a chance to get to know those families and the 26 00:01:29,348 --> 00:01:32,228 Speaker 1: men out of sacrificing and are really heroes over there. 27 00:01:32,428 --> 00:01:34,548 Speaker 1: Kyle's coming back, though, Don't worry. Angry runs on a 28 00:01:34,628 --> 00:01:37,588 Speaker 1: Tuesday is happening. He is in roots. So until then, 29 00:01:37,708 --> 00:01:41,068 Speaker 1: Tompi Black will block. Let's look at some angry football. 30 00:01:41,148 --> 00:01:44,188 Speaker 1: The Colts fans are probably waking all extremely angry after 31 00:01:44,308 --> 00:01:47,788 Speaker 1: watching the way their team playing last night. Chargers win 32 00:01:48,068 --> 00:01:51,108 Speaker 1: twenty to three, clinching a playoff birth for the first 33 00:01:51,228 --> 00:01:54,748 Speaker 1: time since two. Herbert's going dancing and eighteen Herbert is 34 00:01:54,788 --> 00:01:57,228 Speaker 1: going dancing. Let the long hair out, take it out 35 00:01:57,268 --> 00:02:00,308 Speaker 1: of the ponytail, do your thing, our very own. Bridget 36 00:02:00,388 --> 00:02:05,948 Speaker 1: content caught up with Austin Eckler after the huge Bolts win. Austin, 37 00:02:05,988 --> 00:02:07,868 Speaker 1: you told me essentially this week that you guys have 38 00:02:07,948 --> 00:02:11,628 Speaker 1: been working towards revenge this entire season, trying to make 39 00:02:11,668 --> 00:02:13,948 Speaker 1: it back in the playoffs after what happened last year. 40 00:02:14,108 --> 00:02:15,668 Speaker 1: You could just got in the playoffs for the first 41 00:02:15,668 --> 00:02:18,548 Speaker 1: time since twenty eighteen. What does that mean to this team? 42 00:02:18,988 --> 00:02:20,628 Speaker 1: It's been a while, but it feels going to be back. 43 00:02:20,708 --> 00:02:23,068 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Like you said, we've had 44 00:02:23,108 --> 00:02:26,668 Speaker 1: a revenge game every single week. Revenge game every week. 45 00:02:26,748 --> 00:02:28,268 Speaker 1: We're trying to win every single week because we know 46 00:02:28,308 --> 00:02:30,668 Speaker 1: what's on the line and to get, you know, opportunity 47 00:02:30,708 --> 00:02:32,228 Speaker 1: to go play in the postseason is what we've been 48 00:02:32,268 --> 00:02:37,788 Speaker 1: looking for and we got it. Happy Chargers. Indeed, we're 49 00:02:37,828 --> 00:02:39,428 Speaker 1: gonna find out about a lot of teams that are 50 00:02:39,508 --> 00:02:41,868 Speaker 1: happy come the next couple of weeks. A lot of 51 00:02:41,908 --> 00:02:46,548 Speaker 1: playoffs scenarios hang in the balance within the AFC in particular, 52 00:02:46,628 --> 00:02:48,468 Speaker 1: but the Chargers are in. They took care of business, 53 00:02:48,548 --> 00:02:51,108 Speaker 1: and they find themselves in postseason play for the first 54 00:02:51,148 --> 00:02:59,068 Speaker 1: time eighteen. You could say hopes were mile high after 55 00:02:59,108 --> 00:03:02,868 Speaker 1: the Broncos hired former Packers offensive coordinator Nathaniel hack It 56 00:03:03,028 --> 00:03:05,908 Speaker 1: last season. After all, he was the coach who helped 57 00:03:05,948 --> 00:03:10,068 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers win consecutive MVP awards in twenty twenty twenty one, 58 00:03:10,108 --> 00:03:13,308 Speaker 1: the success was right there, and then the Broncos went 59 00:03:13,308 --> 00:03:15,708 Speaker 1: out and traded for a perennial Pro Bowl quarterback in 60 00:03:15,828 --> 00:03:20,068 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. The sky was the limit in Denver. But 61 00:03:20,188 --> 00:03:22,628 Speaker 1: then a season happened and the sky fell in Denver, 62 00:03:22,748 --> 00:03:24,948 Speaker 1: and the Broncos now find themselves four and eleven and 63 00:03:25,028 --> 00:03:27,748 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett has been shown the door. So let's play 64 00:03:27,788 --> 00:03:30,468 Speaker 1: football mad libs. When you look back at the twenty 65 00:03:30,708 --> 00:03:34,428 Speaker 1: twenty two Denver Broncos, blank is to blame? Fill in 66 00:03:34,588 --> 00:03:40,068 Speaker 1: that blank, Peter, everyone, everybody, everyone. George Payton is a 67 00:03:40,188 --> 00:03:43,068 Speaker 1: really respected front office executive. Spent many years in Miami, 68 00:03:43,188 --> 00:03:45,268 Speaker 1: then many years in Minnesota, and he was finally given 69 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,828 Speaker 1: the opportunity to hire a head coach and he stepped 70 00:03:47,908 --> 00:03:49,628 Speaker 1: up to a podium in January last year and he 71 00:03:49,708 --> 00:03:53,228 Speaker 1: told the media, you can't keep recycling coaches and expect 72 00:03:53,308 --> 00:03:56,188 Speaker 1: to sustain a winning culture. It's hard. We're gonna get 73 00:03:56,188 --> 00:03:58,268 Speaker 1: it right. We're gonna get it right with this search. 74 00:03:58,628 --> 00:04:01,588 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that this is as colossal a 75 00:04:01,748 --> 00:04:04,068 Speaker 1: miss as a head coaching hiring that we have maybe 76 00:04:04,108 --> 00:04:05,948 Speaker 1: ever seeing the league, at least with the Urban Meyer 77 00:04:06,028 --> 00:04:09,108 Speaker 1: thing last year. Everyone assumed, Okay urban Meyer in the NFL, 78 00:04:09,148 --> 00:04:12,188 Speaker 1: it's a college coach. Hackett comes in and to be 79 00:04:12,308 --> 00:04:15,068 Speaker 1: fired within the season. He is one of just three 80 00:04:15,148 --> 00:04:18,428 Speaker 1: coaches to ever have that happen since nineteen seventy. So 81 00:04:18,828 --> 00:04:22,268 Speaker 1: who to blame? Well, gosh, you know, maybe they hired 82 00:04:22,308 --> 00:04:24,628 Speaker 1: Hackett because they thought Aaron Rodgers was a possibility and 83 00:04:24,708 --> 00:04:27,308 Speaker 1: those two had a relationship. It didn't happen. So is 84 00:04:27,348 --> 00:04:30,188 Speaker 1: it Hackett's fault that Russell Wilson showed up thirty four 85 00:04:30,228 --> 00:04:32,548 Speaker 1: years old not looking like the Russell Wilson that he 86 00:04:32,628 --> 00:04:34,988 Speaker 1: had in his gloriers and instead looked like a quarterback 87 00:04:35,308 --> 00:04:39,388 Speaker 1: that he's on the downtrend? Is it Hackett's fault that 88 00:04:39,748 --> 00:04:42,868 Speaker 1: they were riddled with injuries? Let's take a look at 89 00:04:42,908 --> 00:04:45,068 Speaker 1: some of the key players that were injured this season 90 00:04:45,988 --> 00:04:49,268 Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos. You're talking about stars. Wilson of 91 00:04:49,308 --> 00:04:51,708 Speaker 1: course missed a couple of games, but Javonte Williams. I 92 00:04:51,748 --> 00:04:53,708 Speaker 1: had him as number two on my breakout player list. 93 00:04:53,748 --> 00:04:56,868 Speaker 1: Garrett Bowles obviously, you go right down the list. Randy Gregory, 94 00:04:56,948 --> 00:05:00,108 Speaker 1: who was on discipline and looking to fight guys after 95 00:05:00,228 --> 00:05:04,028 Speaker 1: a fifty one to fourteen loss, on Sunday, and then 96 00:05:04,028 --> 00:05:06,348 Speaker 1: you look get the situation with the ownership and that 97 00:05:07,268 --> 00:05:10,228 Speaker 1: new owners did not hire Nathaniel Hackett. The new owners 98 00:05:10,268 --> 00:05:13,068 Speaker 1: took over midway through Hackett's first season. So the new 99 00:05:13,108 --> 00:05:14,948 Speaker 1: owners come in and it's like, I have no allegiance 100 00:05:14,988 --> 00:05:16,948 Speaker 1: to this guy, I'm not gonna bring him in, and 101 00:05:17,028 --> 00:05:19,948 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find my own person. I think collectively 102 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:25,548 Speaker 1: everyone thought young inspiring players coach was the way to go. 103 00:05:25,668 --> 00:05:28,148 Speaker 1: After Vic Fangio, who had been there for years as 104 00:05:28,188 --> 00:05:32,068 Speaker 1: a defensive, longtime veteran coach. You go up these swings, 105 00:05:32,108 --> 00:05:33,628 Speaker 1: you go young, you go old, you go young, you 106 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:35,548 Speaker 1: go old. Now I think they might have to go 107 00:05:35,628 --> 00:05:38,348 Speaker 1: all the way back towards the Fanjio angle and say, Okay, 108 00:05:38,628 --> 00:05:41,068 Speaker 1: we just need a guy who can ready to right 109 00:05:41,148 --> 00:05:44,188 Speaker 1: the ship. Here. I'm looking at Dan Quinn, ye who's 110 00:05:44,188 --> 00:05:46,068 Speaker 1: got some head coaching, right, I'm looking at Frank Reich, 111 00:05:46,868 --> 00:05:49,308 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Sean Payton, and I'm saying, Okay, you 112 00:05:49,388 --> 00:05:51,748 Speaker 1: guys have been there, you have done that, you have 113 00:05:51,908 --> 00:05:55,148 Speaker 1: played and coached at the highest level, and you have 114 00:05:55,388 --> 00:05:57,908 Speaker 1: coached in Super Bowls all that stuff. I don't think 115 00:05:57,948 --> 00:06:00,348 Speaker 1: they can go young hot offensive coordinator, like everyone is 116 00:06:00,348 --> 00:06:02,468 Speaker 1: a suggesting online right now, And I look at the 117 00:06:02,508 --> 00:06:04,588 Speaker 1: Broncos that'd say it was a collective failure the whole 118 00:06:04,668 --> 00:06:06,988 Speaker 1: entire season. George Payton's gonna be able to do this again. 119 00:06:07,028 --> 00:06:08,828 Speaker 1: It sounds like his job as an in Jeopardy. But 120 00:06:08,908 --> 00:06:11,908 Speaker 1: you can't miss again, can't as I look at them, 121 00:06:11,948 --> 00:06:14,788 Speaker 1: and the blame to me fall somewhere between Nathaniel Hackett, 122 00:06:15,068 --> 00:06:18,188 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and the struggles that they've had offensively, because 123 00:06:18,388 --> 00:06:21,228 Speaker 1: the defense you take away obviously the Sunday loss was ugly, 124 00:06:21,508 --> 00:06:24,988 Speaker 1: but defensively they've played good football in When you're putting 125 00:06:24,988 --> 00:06:27,028 Speaker 1: together this marriage and you have a GM, you hire 126 00:06:27,068 --> 00:06:28,468 Speaker 1: a head coach, and then you go out and get 127 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:32,308 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, you're banking on the relationship between those two 128 00:06:32,388 --> 00:06:35,668 Speaker 1: and the connection and their ability to play together and 129 00:06:35,828 --> 00:06:38,788 Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson look comfortable in that offense. You're banking 130 00:06:38,828 --> 00:06:40,748 Speaker 1: that this thing they're gonna hit it off and it's 131 00:06:40,748 --> 00:06:43,188 Speaker 1: gonna skyrocket and they're gonna lead the team. And that 132 00:06:43,348 --> 00:06:45,868 Speaker 1: did not happen. Then, Yes, they had injuries. I don't 133 00:06:45,948 --> 00:06:48,788 Speaker 1: care about injuries. The charges have gone through a plethor 134 00:06:48,828 --> 00:06:51,388 Speaker 1: of injuries, and they just clinched to get into the playoffs. 135 00:06:51,548 --> 00:06:54,428 Speaker 1: The Titans are still fighting for playoff opportunities, and they've 136 00:06:54,468 --> 00:06:56,628 Speaker 1: had to go through injuries not only this season, but 137 00:06:56,868 --> 00:06:59,628 Speaker 1: last season as well, losing Derek Henry for a bulk 138 00:06:59,708 --> 00:07:02,028 Speaker 1: of the season. So injuries are a part of the game. 139 00:07:02,068 --> 00:07:03,988 Speaker 1: They happen. You have to find a way to figure 140 00:07:03,988 --> 00:07:06,588 Speaker 1: it out. And there's Sunday Lass. You see the backup 141 00:07:06,668 --> 00:07:09,828 Speaker 1: quarterback getting into it with an offensive lineman on the sideline, 142 00:07:09,988 --> 00:07:12,588 Speaker 1: and then, like Peter mentioned, the fight afterwards. There was 143 00:07:12,668 --> 00:07:15,188 Speaker 1: kind of no control over the team. So you have 144 00:07:15,348 --> 00:07:18,148 Speaker 1: to figure out what's next. And for me, I would 145 00:07:18,188 --> 00:07:20,988 Speaker 1: possibly be looking at a defensive minded head coach with 146 00:07:21,188 --> 00:07:23,348 Speaker 1: this in mind, whoever is going to be coaching on 147 00:07:23,428 --> 00:07:25,308 Speaker 1: the offensive. I bring in a head coach and he's 148 00:07:25,348 --> 00:07:27,828 Speaker 1: offensive guy. You have to figure that out. You have 149 00:07:27,988 --> 00:07:30,628 Speaker 1: to find a way to get Russell Wilson going to me. 150 00:07:30,828 --> 00:07:33,188 Speaker 1: Give me a defensive guy who has a plan in 151 00:07:33,308 --> 00:07:36,308 Speaker 1: place for Russell Wilson and the offense. And the OC 152 00:07:36,548 --> 00:07:38,868 Speaker 1: comes in and he is only over the offense. He 153 00:07:39,028 --> 00:07:41,628 Speaker 1: is the head coach of the offensive side of the ball. 154 00:07:41,828 --> 00:07:44,188 Speaker 1: The only thing he is worried about is his relationship 155 00:07:44,388 --> 00:07:46,628 Speaker 1: where Russell Wilson and how they're going to develop and 156 00:07:46,748 --> 00:07:49,388 Speaker 1: build that offense. And the head coach of defensive minded 157 00:07:49,428 --> 00:07:51,868 Speaker 1: guy can oversee it all. But it's a little bit 158 00:07:51,908 --> 00:07:53,948 Speaker 1: of a mess right now, knowing you have to keep 159 00:07:54,028 --> 00:07:56,188 Speaker 1: Russ and you have to figure that out. The quarterback 160 00:07:56,268 --> 00:07:58,828 Speaker 1: position is so special in the NFL, and it takes 161 00:07:58,868 --> 00:08:01,868 Speaker 1: a lot of power within a team to have that position. 162 00:08:02,068 --> 00:08:05,268 Speaker 1: And two names come to mind of quarter backs recently 163 00:08:05,428 --> 00:08:08,748 Speaker 1: that can at times become a head coach literally for 164 00:08:08,868 --> 00:08:10,948 Speaker 1: the team, and it's Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. In 165 00:08:11,028 --> 00:08:13,068 Speaker 1: a situation like we saw in Week one with the 166 00:08:13,148 --> 00:08:15,868 Speaker 1: Broncos and the Seahawks, it was fourth and five, it 167 00:08:15,988 --> 00:08:19,068 Speaker 1: was less than a minute left to play, with the 168 00:08:19,268 --> 00:08:22,348 Speaker 1: game on the line. What did Nathaniel Hackett do? He 169 00:08:22,588 --> 00:08:25,108 Speaker 1: pulls Russell Wilson, calls the time out, says nope, we're 170 00:08:25,108 --> 00:08:27,108 Speaker 1: going to go from the field goal. How could you 171 00:08:27,228 --> 00:08:29,428 Speaker 1: do this to me? That implies that Russell Wilson, for 172 00:08:29,468 --> 00:08:31,268 Speaker 1: as much as he wants to be this guy who 173 00:08:31,428 --> 00:08:33,748 Speaker 1: I can take over this team, I can go to 174 00:08:33,868 --> 00:08:35,508 Speaker 1: my head coach and say no, no, no, no, this 175 00:08:35,708 --> 00:08:38,388 Speaker 1: is my opportunity to win this game from the team 176 00:08:38,468 --> 00:08:41,988 Speaker 1: that just traded me away. Russell Wilson isn't that guy, 177 00:08:42,108 --> 00:08:44,068 Speaker 1: yet he very well could be, so to me, the 178 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:46,588 Speaker 1: blame it does fall in Nathaniel Hackett. He took control 179 00:08:46,748 --> 00:08:49,708 Speaker 1: of this team, in this organization and this season week one, 180 00:08:49,748 --> 00:08:51,788 Speaker 1: when he pulled Russell Wilson off the field in that 181 00:08:51,988 --> 00:08:55,028 Speaker 1: decision to lose the game to the Seahawks in Seattle 182 00:08:55,308 --> 00:08:57,588 Speaker 1: when it easily could have kept your guy. Say you're 183 00:08:57,708 --> 00:08:59,428 Speaker 1: my guy. I am moving forward with you. And when 184 00:08:59,468 --> 00:09:01,828 Speaker 1: you decided to not do that, you put the team 185 00:09:01,868 --> 00:09:04,108 Speaker 1: on your back. You know, it's interesting they hired Jerry 186 00:09:04,148 --> 00:09:06,628 Speaker 1: Ross midway through the season to help with you know, 187 00:09:06,748 --> 00:09:09,268 Speaker 1: game management stuff. He's an old special team's coach from 188 00:09:09,268 --> 00:09:11,668 Speaker 1: the Ravens. Then he said, I'm not going to call 189 00:09:11,748 --> 00:09:13,628 Speaker 1: plays anymore, to your point saying, you know, I can't 190 00:09:13,668 --> 00:09:15,268 Speaker 1: do all that. I've got to look at the big picture. 191 00:09:15,308 --> 00:09:18,348 Speaker 1: And Clint Kubiak, Gary's son was calling the plays at 192 00:09:18,428 --> 00:09:20,868 Speaker 1: that point. You know, when you start giving away all 193 00:09:20,868 --> 00:09:23,428 Speaker 1: the duties and eventually the owners are gonna look say, 194 00:09:23,428 --> 00:09:26,188 Speaker 1: well what do you do? And I think everyone's better 195 00:09:26,268 --> 00:09:28,668 Speaker 1: off in this situation I'm sure Hackett did not want 196 00:09:28,708 --> 00:09:30,268 Speaker 1: it to go this way, but yeah, I'll tell you this. 197 00:09:30,708 --> 00:09:33,188 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers swore up and down about this guy going 198 00:09:33,268 --> 00:09:36,068 Speaker 1: into this season. Aaron Rodgers was his biggest advocate. Aaron 199 00:09:36,108 --> 00:09:38,748 Speaker 1: Rodgers had two MVP seasons with Nathaniel Hackett as his 200 00:09:38,788 --> 00:09:42,268 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I do think Nathaniel Hackett will coach again. 201 00:09:42,348 --> 00:09:44,788 Speaker 1: He might never be a head coach again. But you've 202 00:09:44,828 --> 00:09:46,708 Speaker 1: seen this happen time and time again. Some guys who 203 00:09:46,748 --> 00:09:50,428 Speaker 1: are great coordinators aren't necessarily great head coaches. Absolutely, so 204 00:09:50,588 --> 00:09:52,508 Speaker 1: much more to the job than just call them plays. 205 00:09:52,708 --> 00:09:55,108 Speaker 1: So true, maybe he'll join Green Bay. They're struggling a 206 00:09:55,148 --> 00:09:57,348 Speaker 1: little bit on now. And it comes full circle again. 207 00:10:02,268 --> 00:10:04,268 Speaker 1: We now welcome back to the show. A three times 208 00:10:04,388 --> 00:10:06,588 Speaker 1: ser Bowl champion. He was the vice president of player 209 00:10:06,668 --> 00:10:08,508 Speaker 1: Personnel for the New England Patriots. He was also the 210 00:10:08,588 --> 00:10:10,508 Speaker 1: general manager of the Ken City Chiefs and the assistant 211 00:10:10,548 --> 00:10:12,788 Speaker 1: general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. We're happy to have 212 00:10:12,868 --> 00:10:15,188 Speaker 1: him now on the NFL network. Let's, gentlemen, let's welcome 213 00:10:15,228 --> 00:10:20,628 Speaker 1: back Scott Pioli. Scott, good morning, everybody, Merry Christmas and 214 00:10:20,868 --> 00:10:24,828 Speaker 1: happy holidays. Happy holidays to you as well, Scott, you know, 215 00:10:24,908 --> 00:10:26,988 Speaker 1: we got the news yesterday that the Broncos a day 216 00:10:27,028 --> 00:10:30,708 Speaker 1: after losing on national television, parted ways with head coach 217 00:10:30,828 --> 00:10:35,268 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett following the fifty one to fourteen defeat on 218 00:10:35,428 --> 00:10:38,348 Speaker 1: National TV. Obviously, things have not gone Denver's way this 219 00:10:38,468 --> 00:10:42,028 Speaker 1: season an absolute mess. But from a front office perspective, 220 00:10:42,988 --> 00:10:45,588 Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on firing him now as opposed 221 00:10:45,628 --> 00:10:47,268 Speaker 1: to waiting to the end of the year, and what 222 00:10:47,508 --> 00:10:49,068 Speaker 1: is the value of doing it with two weeks left 223 00:10:49,108 --> 00:10:51,548 Speaker 1: in the season. You know, Peter, there's a lot of 224 00:10:51,668 --> 00:10:53,828 Speaker 1: reasons that it's happening right now, but I think I 225 00:10:53,908 --> 00:10:56,548 Speaker 1: think the most obvious reasons, the top two reasons are 226 00:10:56,788 --> 00:11:01,388 Speaker 1: simply the fact the performance, the embarrassing fashion that it's happening, 227 00:11:01,428 --> 00:11:04,868 Speaker 1: but also the fighting on the sidelines doesn't look like 228 00:11:04,908 --> 00:11:07,708 Speaker 1: a cohesive team. But the most important factor involved in 229 00:11:07,788 --> 00:11:10,668 Speaker 1: this is you have new ownership that started in August, 230 00:11:11,228 --> 00:11:13,708 Speaker 1: and it's owners that did not hire this head coach. 231 00:11:13,948 --> 00:11:16,868 Speaker 1: They were not the people in players that hired Nathaniel Hackett. 232 00:11:17,068 --> 00:11:19,428 Speaker 1: That's not Nathaniel's fault, that's not the owner's fault. It 233 00:11:19,668 --> 00:11:22,948 Speaker 1: just makes things like this seemingly easier. If you look 234 00:11:22,948 --> 00:11:25,268 Speaker 1: at this organization, they now also have a president in 235 00:11:25,348 --> 00:11:28,308 Speaker 1: Demani Leach, who was not there. So when the owners 236 00:11:28,348 --> 00:11:30,788 Speaker 1: and the president are sitting down talking about these things 237 00:11:31,108 --> 00:11:33,988 Speaker 1: and they're new to this and things are going in 238 00:11:34,108 --> 00:11:36,508 Speaker 1: the way that they are, it's much easier to fire 239 00:11:36,588 --> 00:11:39,708 Speaker 1: somebody that you didn't hire. It's easier to do emotionally, 240 00:11:39,748 --> 00:11:43,228 Speaker 1: it's easier to do intellectually. Not that it's ever easier, 241 00:11:43,388 --> 00:11:46,308 Speaker 1: but easy, but it should be easier. And we're going 242 00:11:46,348 --> 00:11:48,268 Speaker 1: to see this transition. Here's the other thing I would 243 00:11:48,268 --> 00:11:50,748 Speaker 1: pay attention to this organization. Because there is new ownership, 244 00:11:50,828 --> 00:11:52,948 Speaker 1: there is a new president. There's going to be a 245 00:11:53,068 --> 00:11:55,708 Speaker 1: lot of change within this organization. That isn't just the 246 00:11:55,748 --> 00:11:58,228 Speaker 1: football operation. That's just the way it happens when there's 247 00:11:58,268 --> 00:12:01,348 Speaker 1: new ownership. New owners have a lot about business people 248 00:12:01,428 --> 00:12:04,828 Speaker 1: and a lot of sponsorship marketing people from their oldtries 249 00:12:05,108 --> 00:12:07,548 Speaker 1: that they bring in and that they're comfortable with. So 250 00:12:07,748 --> 00:12:10,228 Speaker 1: don't be surprised to see a lot, just be a 251 00:12:10,348 --> 00:12:14,188 Speaker 1: lot of change beyond the football the football field as well. 252 00:12:15,908 --> 00:12:19,188 Speaker 1: M Scott. Yeah, that last coaches hiring cycle saw Nathaniel 253 00:12:19,228 --> 00:12:21,828 Speaker 1: Hackett go to Denver and Kevin O'Connell go to Minnesota, 254 00:12:21,868 --> 00:12:24,508 Speaker 1: two very different directions for those teams. This season, the 255 00:12:24,668 --> 00:12:28,028 Speaker 1: Vikings have become the Kings of close games this season. 256 00:12:28,108 --> 00:12:31,508 Speaker 1: They are eleven and oh in one possession games, incredible 257 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:34,668 Speaker 1: historic stat But is that a positive thing or a 258 00:12:34,748 --> 00:12:36,388 Speaker 1: negative thing? You've been around a lot of teams that 259 00:12:36,468 --> 00:12:38,868 Speaker 1: have won in a lot of different ways. Do you 260 00:12:38,908 --> 00:12:41,268 Speaker 1: think that makes them gritty or do you think it's 261 00:12:41,308 --> 00:12:45,708 Speaker 1: smoking mirrors? Jamie, You know, I think it's perspective. If 262 00:12:45,748 --> 00:12:48,308 Speaker 1: you're a Viking and an employee of the Vikings, you 263 00:12:48,388 --> 00:12:51,028 Speaker 1: see it as great and gives you confidence. If you're 264 00:12:51,028 --> 00:12:53,308 Speaker 1: a hater, you see it as a ladder, and I 265 00:12:53,388 --> 00:12:56,228 Speaker 1: think that the ladder is far too disrespectful. Quite honestly, 266 00:12:56,268 --> 00:12:58,748 Speaker 1: it is so hard to win one game in this league. 267 00:12:59,068 --> 00:13:01,828 Speaker 1: People don't understand what it takes, and sometimes you don't 268 00:13:01,868 --> 00:13:06,308 Speaker 1: start off well. Sometimes. The NFL is very teams are 269 00:13:06,508 --> 00:13:09,948 Speaker 1: very similar. There are a lot of a lot of competitions. 270 00:13:09,988 --> 00:13:12,308 Speaker 1: So to me, when I see this happening, I say 271 00:13:12,388 --> 00:13:14,748 Speaker 1: kudos to Kevin O'Connell again, and you're looking at someone 272 00:13:14,748 --> 00:13:17,388 Speaker 1: who's a first year head coach. He's getting this football 273 00:13:17,468 --> 00:13:20,028 Speaker 1: team to win and it doesn't matter how you win, 274 00:13:20,068 --> 00:13:23,388 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how close. It is. Again, there's columns 275 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,748 Speaker 1: for wins, losses, and ties. There isn't one for style points. 276 00:13:26,988 --> 00:13:29,068 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell is doing a great job, and honestly, I 277 00:13:29,148 --> 00:13:31,588 Speaker 1: think their players are doing trfect job. So I think 278 00:13:31,708 --> 00:13:35,508 Speaker 1: getting too caught up and saying that they might be, 279 00:13:36,108 --> 00:13:40,148 Speaker 1: you know, smoking mirrors. Those people will be rewarded if 280 00:13:40,148 --> 00:13:42,188 Speaker 1: they get knocked out early. But to me, I see 281 00:13:42,268 --> 00:13:44,508 Speaker 1: this is a very good football team that's doing a 282 00:13:44,588 --> 00:13:48,868 Speaker 1: lot of the things, a lot of things the right way. Yeah, 283 00:13:48,988 --> 00:13:50,828 Speaker 1: they're a team trying to win these last two as 284 00:13:50,828 --> 00:13:53,468 Speaker 1: they chase the Philadelphia Eagles for that number one spot. 285 00:13:53,508 --> 00:13:56,628 Speaker 1: And Jalen Hursts just missed their game against the Cowboys 286 00:13:56,668 --> 00:13:59,628 Speaker 1: with a shoulder Andrey Cowboys took home to w and 287 00:13:59,708 --> 00:14:02,428 Speaker 1: the Eagles. They haven't ruled out Jalen Hurts because they're 288 00:14:02,428 --> 00:14:04,868 Speaker 1: still playing for that number one seed as they get 289 00:14:04,908 --> 00:14:09,028 Speaker 1: ready for weeks seventeen and they want home field advantage. Scott, 290 00:14:09,108 --> 00:14:11,828 Speaker 1: from your position, what kind of behind the scenes conversations 291 00:14:11,868 --> 00:14:14,148 Speaker 1: are being had when we have your star quarterback that 292 00:14:14,308 --> 00:14:16,948 Speaker 1: already has you in the postseason, but can better or 293 00:14:17,108 --> 00:14:19,508 Speaker 1: keep you at that number one spot. What goes into it? 294 00:14:20,388 --> 00:14:23,468 Speaker 1: And Jason, you know, yes, you want home field advantage, 295 00:14:23,508 --> 00:14:25,628 Speaker 1: but what you want more than home field advantage is 296 00:14:25,668 --> 00:14:27,708 Speaker 1: to win football games. And you want to win football 297 00:14:27,708 --> 00:14:30,468 Speaker 1: games with the best player on your team, who's Jalen Hurts. 298 00:14:30,708 --> 00:14:32,868 Speaker 1: The conversations that are going on right now are between 299 00:14:32,908 --> 00:14:36,868 Speaker 1: the head coach, the general manager, the owner, the trainers, 300 00:14:36,948 --> 00:14:40,588 Speaker 1: the doctors, and truthfully with the player themselves. And to me, 301 00:14:41,148 --> 00:14:42,868 Speaker 1: this is where they're going to find out a lot 302 00:14:42,908 --> 00:14:45,988 Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts and his maturity. This is the time 303 00:14:46,068 --> 00:14:48,708 Speaker 1: when Jalen has to stand up and just speak the 304 00:14:48,828 --> 00:14:51,388 Speaker 1: truth about his injury and speak the truth about how 305 00:14:51,508 --> 00:14:55,588 Speaker 1: he feels he can perform. These conversations are very difficult 306 00:14:55,668 --> 00:14:59,948 Speaker 1: because there'll be times, you know, when the player will 307 00:15:00,068 --> 00:15:02,948 Speaker 1: want to be so competitive and be thinking about wanting 308 00:15:03,028 --> 00:15:06,428 Speaker 1: to do something that may not be in the best 309 00:15:06,548 --> 00:15:08,988 Speaker 1: interests of the team, may not be in the best 310 00:15:09,188 --> 00:15:12,828 Speaker 1: interests of unintentionally in the best interests of the team. 311 00:15:12,908 --> 00:15:15,668 Speaker 1: So these are very serious conversations, but all those people 312 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:19,508 Speaker 1: need to be involved. Yeah, and now we've got this 313 00:15:19,628 --> 00:15:22,868 Speaker 1: Packers Vikings game, and suddenly the Packers are alive and 314 00:15:23,028 --> 00:15:24,868 Speaker 1: not just a flicker. I hope they've got a real 315 00:15:24,908 --> 00:15:28,548 Speaker 1: path to the playoffs. As we know, the team who 316 00:15:28,588 --> 00:15:30,388 Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl doesn't necessarily have to be the 317 00:15:30,548 --> 00:15:33,588 Speaker 1: best team all season long. What do you make of this? 318 00:15:33,708 --> 00:15:36,388 Speaker 1: Packers run three straight games, they've got the wins and 319 00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:39,508 Speaker 1: there is a path to get in. Yeah. I like 320 00:15:39,668 --> 00:15:41,548 Speaker 1: what they're doing. I really do. Because here's what I 321 00:15:41,588 --> 00:15:43,668 Speaker 1: like about it the most. The fact is these last 322 00:15:43,748 --> 00:15:46,748 Speaker 1: three games that they've won, In these three games total, 323 00:15:47,388 --> 00:15:51,428 Speaker 1: they have eleven penalties and only three turnovers. That's how 324 00:15:51,468 --> 00:15:53,828 Speaker 1: you win football games. That's how you win football game 325 00:15:54,148 --> 00:15:56,188 Speaker 1: late in season, That's how you win playoff games. The 326 00:15:56,268 --> 00:15:58,388 Speaker 1: other thing I like to see is the trend with 327 00:15:58,588 --> 00:16:01,268 Speaker 1: the young players on this football team that are starting 328 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:04,788 Speaker 1: to come together with Aaron Rodgers as we know Christian 329 00:16:04,828 --> 00:16:08,708 Speaker 1: Watson and that relationship has really grown. He's got the injury. 330 00:16:08,948 --> 00:16:11,308 Speaker 1: But what I like to see is that right things 331 00:16:11,348 --> 00:16:14,228 Speaker 1: are training for a football team to win. In January, 332 00:16:19,308 --> 00:16:21,748 Speaker 1: joining us now is one of the stars on one 333 00:16:21,788 --> 00:16:25,908 Speaker 1: of the most underrated defensive units in the NFL. He's 334 00:16:25,948 --> 00:16:28,908 Speaker 1: also the Panther's nominee for this year. Is Walter Payton 335 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,708 Speaker 1: Man of the Year Award. Let's give a big good 336 00:16:31,788 --> 00:16:39,348 Speaker 1: morning football. Welcome to Panthers defensive tackle Derek Brown. Yes, sir, 337 00:16:39,548 --> 00:16:42,268 Speaker 1: keep pounding. We're heading until the final two weeks of 338 00:16:42,308 --> 00:16:44,588 Speaker 1: the regular season, and it's been one hell of a 339 00:16:44,668 --> 00:16:47,468 Speaker 1: season for you guys, a roller coaster starting off two 340 00:16:47,548 --> 00:16:50,708 Speaker 1: and seven. Now interim head coach and Steve Wilkes, you 341 00:16:50,788 --> 00:16:53,748 Speaker 1: guys have won four out of your last six and 342 00:16:53,868 --> 00:16:56,828 Speaker 1: you're very much in a playoff conversation. What's it like, 343 00:16:56,948 --> 00:16:59,228 Speaker 1: what's the vibe in the locker room? How are guys 344 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:01,268 Speaker 1: dealing with all of this? What your chance is going 345 00:17:01,308 --> 00:17:05,188 Speaker 1: into the postseason? You know, I'm thinking about like this. 346 00:17:05,268 --> 00:17:08,308 Speaker 1: You know it sounds very cliche, but you know everybody's 347 00:17:08,388 --> 00:17:10,148 Speaker 1: kind of taking that whole. You know, when week at 348 00:17:10,148 --> 00:17:13,228 Speaker 1: a time thing, you know, when we get to looking 349 00:17:13,268 --> 00:17:14,908 Speaker 1: forward and you know we don't play our best ball, 350 00:17:14,948 --> 00:17:16,588 Speaker 1: but you know, just going back to the you know, 351 00:17:16,708 --> 00:17:18,668 Speaker 1: the beginning, and it's like Coach Wilkes, when wats in 352 00:17:18,708 --> 00:17:20,868 Speaker 1: the room more mondays, it's like a reset for everybody 353 00:17:21,388 --> 00:17:23,668 Speaker 1: and you know, what happened last week is washed behind 354 00:17:23,708 --> 00:17:25,188 Speaker 1: and you know it's time to focus up. When we 355 00:17:25,388 --> 00:17:29,428 Speaker 1: at the task we got ahead. Here's coach Wilkes, who 356 00:17:29,588 --> 00:17:32,548 Speaker 1: was you know, a native of South Carolina, North Carolina 357 00:17:32,588 --> 00:17:35,348 Speaker 1: in that area, gets his opportunity after many years with 358 00:17:35,428 --> 00:17:38,468 Speaker 1: the Panthers and gets only one year with the Arizona Cardinals, 359 00:17:38,508 --> 00:17:39,828 Speaker 1: and then he has to go around and he's in 360 00:17:39,908 --> 00:17:43,468 Speaker 1: Cleveland and he's coaching at Missouri. Gets put it into 361 00:17:43,508 --> 00:17:46,788 Speaker 1: the interim coach and you guys have been rallying around him. 362 00:17:47,748 --> 00:17:49,708 Speaker 1: Take us into the locker room. What's Coach Wilkes been 363 00:17:49,788 --> 00:17:52,988 Speaker 1: like to play for? And make the case why Coach 364 00:17:53,068 --> 00:17:57,068 Speaker 1: Wilkes is the guy for the Carolina Panthers. I mean, 365 00:17:57,308 --> 00:17:59,028 Speaker 1: you know, I'll speak for everybody in that locker room 366 00:17:59,028 --> 00:18:00,748 Speaker 1: and said that, you know, we won't Coach Wilkes to 367 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:04,228 Speaker 1: be our next that coach, that's for sure. And you know, 368 00:18:04,388 --> 00:18:05,948 Speaker 1: I think every single week more to come in. He's 369 00:18:05,988 --> 00:18:07,588 Speaker 1: going to tell you exactly how it is. You know, 370 00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:09,588 Speaker 1: he doesn't sugarcoat nothing, and he keeps it, you know, 371 00:18:09,748 --> 00:18:11,988 Speaker 1: playing Jane per Se, he lets you know exactly what's 372 00:18:12,028 --> 00:18:14,868 Speaker 1: going on. And you know, if I mean, you could 373 00:18:14,908 --> 00:18:16,348 Speaker 1: be one of the best players, but you walk in 374 00:18:16,348 --> 00:18:18,428 Speaker 1: that building on Monday and tell you exactly how I 375 00:18:18,588 --> 00:18:20,588 Speaker 1: felt about how you played, and you know, that level 376 00:18:20,668 --> 00:18:24,628 Speaker 1: of clarity, you know, that's exactly what we want. That's 377 00:18:24,668 --> 00:18:26,908 Speaker 1: a hell of an endorsement, it really is, and I'm 378 00:18:26,948 --> 00:18:28,348 Speaker 1: sure it would go a long way in helping that 379 00:18:28,428 --> 00:18:30,068 Speaker 1: if you guys somehow find a way to get into 380 00:18:30,108 --> 00:18:32,628 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's fascinated right now, Derek. The NFC South, 381 00:18:33,148 --> 00:18:35,708 Speaker 1: the Bucks are in first place at sub five hundred. 382 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:38,668 Speaker 1: The Falcons are eliminated. But it's you guys, and it's 383 00:18:38,708 --> 00:18:41,508 Speaker 1: New Orleans and it's Tampa all in this little scrum. 384 00:18:41,988 --> 00:18:43,828 Speaker 1: What do you think when you look around that division 385 00:18:43,908 --> 00:18:47,748 Speaker 1: and try to find a way to get in. Um, 386 00:18:47,828 --> 00:18:49,468 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking about it, like we busted to 387 00:18:49,468 --> 00:18:51,228 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to still be able to play you know, 388 00:18:51,388 --> 00:18:54,628 Speaker 1: meaningful football right now. You know up in the league, 389 00:18:54,628 --> 00:18:56,388 Speaker 1: never been in the playoffs, so I mean, just be 390 00:18:56,428 --> 00:18:58,188 Speaker 1: able to have this opportunity and chance to be able 391 00:18:58,188 --> 00:18:59,988 Speaker 1: to you know, go out here and focus up and 392 00:19:00,508 --> 00:19:02,508 Speaker 1: go out here and play against Tampa this week. I 393 00:19:02,588 --> 00:19:04,708 Speaker 1: mean it's going to be a special game. And then 394 00:19:04,708 --> 00:19:06,468 Speaker 1: you know, got to go down New l and newell 395 00:19:06,548 --> 00:19:07,948 Speaker 1: Is the next week. So I mean, you know, we 396 00:19:08,308 --> 00:19:10,868 Speaker 1: in the year facing two division opponents, So you know, 397 00:19:11,028 --> 00:19:14,228 Speaker 1: I couldn't want any other way, and you know that's 398 00:19:14,228 --> 00:19:18,788 Speaker 1: what That's just you know how I feel about absolutely, Derek. 399 00:19:19,108 --> 00:19:21,468 Speaker 1: Football is important. We love talking the game with you, 400 00:19:21,668 --> 00:19:24,148 Speaker 1: but the lower third there the title, the reason why 401 00:19:24,188 --> 00:19:25,908 Speaker 1: we're talking to you today is what's important to you. 402 00:19:26,268 --> 00:19:29,148 Speaker 1: Are one of thirty two players nominated for this year's 403 00:19:29,188 --> 00:19:31,068 Speaker 1: Walter Payton Man of the Year Award for your work 404 00:19:31,108 --> 00:19:34,588 Speaker 1: in the community with the Derek Brown Foundation, Inc. What 405 00:19:34,708 --> 00:19:36,668 Speaker 1: does it mean to you to be recognized? You see 406 00:19:36,668 --> 00:19:38,828 Speaker 1: your name on this list and tell us a little 407 00:19:38,868 --> 00:19:42,108 Speaker 1: bit about your community service efforts. Um, you know, it 408 00:19:42,228 --> 00:19:43,708 Speaker 1: was crazy when I found out. I was kind of 409 00:19:43,788 --> 00:19:45,428 Speaker 1: you know and shock about it, you know, kind of 410 00:19:45,468 --> 00:19:49,188 Speaker 1: just no words. Um, you know, it's such a high honor, um, 411 00:19:49,308 --> 00:19:52,228 Speaker 1: just to even be nominated when um, you know, when 412 00:19:52,428 --> 00:19:55,268 Speaker 1: we first found started the foundation and you know, started 413 00:19:55,308 --> 00:19:57,428 Speaker 1: doing all these different things and stuff. You know, it 414 00:19:57,588 --> 00:19:59,388 Speaker 1: was never to you know, get anything out of it. 415 00:19:59,508 --> 00:20:01,348 Speaker 1: But I mean it's I feel like in this life 416 00:20:01,388 --> 00:20:03,268 Speaker 1: that you know, I've been blessed with so many different things, 417 00:20:03,308 --> 00:20:05,228 Speaker 1: so many different opportunities needs that it would be wrong 418 00:20:05,308 --> 00:20:07,228 Speaker 1: for me not to be able to you know, give 419 00:20:07,268 --> 00:20:10,428 Speaker 1: back to you know, kids and those less fortunate than myself. Um, 420 00:20:10,588 --> 00:20:12,788 Speaker 1: you know, I live a pretty good life at this point. 421 00:20:12,828 --> 00:20:14,948 Speaker 1: So you know, it's one of those things where you know, 422 00:20:15,108 --> 00:20:17,548 Speaker 1: my family, my wife and my kids, we get out, 423 00:20:17,628 --> 00:20:19,508 Speaker 1: you know, try to do as much as we can possible. 424 00:20:21,708 --> 00:20:25,268 Speaker 1: That's amazing for that had that perspective as young as 425 00:20:25,308 --> 00:20:27,908 Speaker 1: you are, and isn't incredible as that is. He also 426 00:20:28,108 --> 00:20:30,388 Speaker 1: had the end of the year coming up football sense, 427 00:20:30,508 --> 00:20:33,468 Speaker 1: and just also for all of us with that perspective, 428 00:20:33,508 --> 00:20:35,468 Speaker 1: do you look at the start of twenty twenty three 429 00:20:35,508 --> 00:20:38,828 Speaker 1: and make a resolution? What is Derek's new Year's resolution 430 00:20:38,908 --> 00:20:42,548 Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty three? I mean, I think my 431 00:20:42,668 --> 00:20:45,068 Speaker 1: personal new Year's resolution going in twenty twenty three is, 432 00:20:45,068 --> 00:20:47,228 Speaker 1: you know, just be the best version of myself, you know, 433 00:20:47,268 --> 00:20:49,028 Speaker 1: as a husband, as a dad, and you know, and 434 00:20:49,668 --> 00:20:52,388 Speaker 1: you know in my career. Um, you know, that's that's 435 00:20:52,428 --> 00:20:54,628 Speaker 1: all I can ask for, and you know that's all 436 00:20:54,668 --> 00:20:56,068 Speaker 1: I can you want at the end of the day. 437 00:20:58,988 --> 00:21:01,308 Speaker 1: We love a Dirk. How about a home playoff game too, right? 438 00:21:02,188 --> 00:21:06,468 Speaker 1: How about a home playoff game? There that a change player, dad, husband, 439 00:21:06,508 --> 00:21:10,468 Speaker 1: all of those good things. Appreciate you Hey, keep grinding. 440 00:21:10,548 --> 00:21:12,428 Speaker 1: You guys will get there. Keep grinding that good job, 441 00:21:12,508 --> 00:21:20,308 Speaker 1: Deck sure appreciate it. Zach Wilson, he had a rough 442 00:21:20,388 --> 00:21:22,748 Speaker 1: go of things last weekend. It looks like it's earned 443 00:21:22,828 --> 00:21:24,668 Speaker 1: him a spot back on the bench the remainder of 444 00:21:24,748 --> 00:21:27,628 Speaker 1: the season. Mike White has been medically cleared by doctors 445 00:21:27,708 --> 00:21:30,148 Speaker 1: after fracturing some ribs a couple of weeks ago. That 446 00:21:30,348 --> 00:21:33,708 Speaker 1: happened yesterday, the clearance which will get him the start 447 00:21:33,748 --> 00:21:36,348 Speaker 1: in Week seventeen against the Seahawks. Here's what head coach 448 00:21:36,428 --> 00:21:38,788 Speaker 1: Robert Sala had to say about the plans for Zach 449 00:21:38,868 --> 00:21:43,228 Speaker 1: Wilson and the Jets moving forward. A plan for Zach again, 450 00:21:43,388 --> 00:21:45,668 Speaker 1: it hasn't changed. I still think he's got a future here. 451 00:21:45,668 --> 00:21:47,508 Speaker 1: I still think he's going to be a really good quarterback. 452 00:21:48,388 --> 00:21:50,628 Speaker 1: He needs time to just kind of sit back and 453 00:21:50,708 --> 00:21:53,828 Speaker 1: continue the development that we're trying to rekickstart, if you will, 454 00:21:54,348 --> 00:21:57,748 Speaker 1: after the New England game. But I still have him 455 00:21:57,748 --> 00:22:03,028 Speaker 1: in our future in our plans all right. Chets to 456 00:22:03,068 --> 00:22:05,588 Speaker 1: playoff hopes are still alive, which might make the quarterback 457 00:22:05,668 --> 00:22:08,068 Speaker 1: situation that much more frustrating. Like they're right there, Mike 458 00:22:08,108 --> 00:22:09,948 Speaker 1: White and the Jets will have to win their final 459 00:22:10,028 --> 00:22:14,668 Speaker 1: two games and get some help from the Patriots, which, 460 00:22:14,708 --> 00:22:17,028 Speaker 1: as we just learned, helps the Raiders as well. Very 461 00:22:17,068 --> 00:22:20,508 Speaker 1: complicated this time of year, as is the Jets quarterback situation. Jason, 462 00:22:20,588 --> 00:22:23,468 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Robert Salo's decision to move on from 463 00:22:23,548 --> 00:22:25,788 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and ride Mike White the rest of the way. Yeah, 464 00:22:25,828 --> 00:22:27,668 Speaker 1: he's playing the better guy at the position. I think 465 00:22:27,748 --> 00:22:29,788 Speaker 1: as a head coach, your job is to put the 466 00:22:29,868 --> 00:22:32,148 Speaker 1: best people on the field to give you the best 467 00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:34,708 Speaker 1: chance at winning the football game. And Mike White is 468 00:22:34,748 --> 00:22:37,268 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And you hear so many times you'd get 469 00:22:37,508 --> 00:22:38,908 Speaker 1: to a team, you're in the meeting room and the 470 00:22:38,948 --> 00:22:40,628 Speaker 1: coach says, hey, I don't care how you got here, 471 00:22:40,708 --> 00:22:45,788 Speaker 1: whether you were drafted, undrafted, free agency, big contract, minimum contract, 472 00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:48,628 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the best guy at every position. And 473 00:22:48,988 --> 00:22:52,388 Speaker 1: almost never happens. The guys making the money play, the 474 00:22:52,508 --> 00:22:55,628 Speaker 1: high round draft picks play, and Robert sala is saying no, Like, 475 00:22:55,748 --> 00:22:58,188 Speaker 1: we love Zach Wilson, we think there's a future form here, 476 00:22:58,388 --> 00:23:01,588 Speaker 1: but right now, Mike White gives us the best chance 477 00:23:01,708 --> 00:23:04,348 Speaker 1: to win. And I think sitting Zach Wilson allowing him 478 00:23:04,468 --> 00:23:07,788 Speaker 1: to watch as their plan for a quarterback. You lose confidence, 479 00:23:07,828 --> 00:23:10,068 Speaker 1: you're not playing well. It's tough to continue to be 480 00:23:10,148 --> 00:23:12,028 Speaker 1: out there. Sit back and watch and maybe you can 481 00:23:12,068 --> 00:23:14,828 Speaker 1: pick up a few nuggets. Actions speak louder than words. 482 00:23:14,868 --> 00:23:17,828 Speaker 1: Not only is Zach Wilson not starting, he's the number 483 00:23:18,028 --> 00:23:20,508 Speaker 1: three and he's inactive already for the game. So not 484 00:23:20,668 --> 00:23:22,708 Speaker 1: only are we saying it's Mike White, but Joe Flacco 485 00:23:22,748 --> 00:23:25,188 Speaker 1: gives us a better chance. And I would argue that 486 00:23:25,308 --> 00:23:27,668 Speaker 1: Streveler was better on Thursday Night too, and Stragglers the 487 00:23:27,708 --> 00:23:31,788 Speaker 1: fourth guy. This is a great indictment to Zach Wilson. 488 00:23:31,828 --> 00:23:33,588 Speaker 1: And yet there's not a single Jets fan out there 489 00:23:33,628 --> 00:23:36,308 Speaker 1: who is at all surprised or displeased by this decision. 490 00:23:37,308 --> 00:23:40,068 Speaker 1: He doesn't have it. He's struggling, buddy, I mean, that's 491 00:23:40,108 --> 00:23:42,348 Speaker 1: what it is like. He don't have it. So let's 492 00:23:42,428 --> 00:23:44,428 Speaker 1: try to roll something else out there. Do they wish 493 00:23:44,428 --> 00:23:46,828 Speaker 1: they had a Teddy Bridgewater or Jimmy Garoppolo or someone. 494 00:23:46,908 --> 00:23:48,948 Speaker 1: Of course, Mike White's the next best thing they've got, 495 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,228 Speaker 1: and White actually played well when he was in this season. 496 00:23:51,868 --> 00:23:53,628 Speaker 1: Can you go into Seattle and be heck of a story? 497 00:23:53,708 --> 00:23:56,348 Speaker 1: But like literally it's anything but Zach Wilson. At this point, 498 00:23:56,988 --> 00:23:59,428 Speaker 1: I'm just having a hard time listening to Robert sala 499 00:23:59,508 --> 00:24:01,948 Speaker 1: in the month of December in the Zach Wilson topic 500 00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:05,348 Speaker 1: in particular, as it pertains to He's got a future 501 00:24:05,428 --> 00:24:07,468 Speaker 1: and the media has been really hard on him. He 502 00:24:07,588 --> 00:24:10,108 Speaker 1: needs more time to develop. Well, the Jets are good now, 503 00:24:10,348 --> 00:24:13,948 Speaker 1: frankly in every other position I think, besides the quarterback position. 504 00:24:14,508 --> 00:24:17,068 Speaker 1: Do you have that time, Robert Salad, Do you have 505 00:24:17,268 --> 00:24:18,828 Speaker 1: the willingness to go out and find a different guy 506 00:24:18,868 --> 00:24:21,348 Speaker 1: that's gonna make your team better, because it's not Fackles 507 00:24:21,348 --> 00:24:23,508 Speaker 1: and I just when he says things he just needs 508 00:24:23,588 --> 00:24:25,228 Speaker 1: time to you know, and being really hard on him. 509 00:24:25,708 --> 00:24:28,988 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're the Jets. You're in the AFC East. 510 00:24:29,308 --> 00:24:36,988 Speaker 1: You gotta hang man. Look, I'm just gonna say this again. 511 00:24:37,068 --> 00:24:40,628 Speaker 1: It stings. It's awful, but man, it's the best thing 512 00:24:40,748 --> 00:24:44,028 Speaker 1: gonna happen to us, you know, because I think, no 513 00:24:44,148 --> 00:24:47,388 Speaker 1: matter who you are and whatever you do, some of 514 00:24:47,468 --> 00:24:49,428 Speaker 1: your best work is when you get your face kicked in. 515 00:24:49,908 --> 00:24:52,668 Speaker 1: And so I mean that literally. I don't know everybody 516 00:24:52,748 --> 00:24:55,828 Speaker 1: gets their face kicked in, but but I do know. Man, 517 00:24:55,868 --> 00:24:58,628 Speaker 1: when your backs against the wall and you get trotted on, 518 00:24:58,788 --> 00:25:01,268 Speaker 1: and it's and everything's that it's worse. You either just 519 00:25:01,348 --> 00:25:03,828 Speaker 1: stay down there or you get up and you come back, 520 00:25:03,948 --> 00:25:10,068 Speaker 1: motivate and upset, with calculated energy and aggression and men, 521 00:25:10,148 --> 00:25:12,348 Speaker 1: you go and there's a purpose, and so I think 522 00:25:12,388 --> 00:25:17,748 Speaker 1: this is the best thing for us. Yeah, motivated an upset, 523 00:25:17,828 --> 00:25:19,268 Speaker 1: that's what the Lions are gonna have to cook for 524 00:25:19,308 --> 00:25:21,068 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. Here's a look at the 525 00:25:21,228 --> 00:25:26,148 Speaker 1: current NFC playoff picture. The Lions lurking. They're gonna need help, though, 526 00:25:26,548 --> 00:25:30,148 Speaker 1: I'd say last limping. You're right, the Pride is limping. 527 00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:32,308 Speaker 1: I know it's a little it's tough for them. They're 528 00:25:32,308 --> 00:25:35,548 Speaker 1: trying to big playoff football back to Detroit. There's a 529 00:25:35,588 --> 00:25:37,708 Speaker 1: couple of teams that kind of sit in that pockets 530 00:25:37,788 --> 00:25:40,188 Speaker 1: of the universe trying to bring playoff football back to 531 00:25:40,348 --> 00:25:42,148 Speaker 1: Phil On the blank, which team do you guys think 532 00:25:42,388 --> 00:25:45,188 Speaker 1: needs the biggest bounce back game in Week seventeen. I'm 533 00:25:45,228 --> 00:25:47,948 Speaker 1: staying in the NFC. I'm going with the New York Giants. 534 00:25:48,028 --> 00:25:50,468 Speaker 1: They lost a tough one two Minnesota that came down 535 00:25:50,548 --> 00:25:53,308 Speaker 1: to the end. A sixty one yard field goal put 536 00:25:53,388 --> 00:25:56,068 Speaker 1: them on the loser column. But for these Giants, and 537 00:25:56,148 --> 00:25:58,188 Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk wing Marndale going with 538 00:25:58,308 --> 00:26:00,908 Speaker 1: pressure to end that game. That's who the Giants are. 539 00:26:01,028 --> 00:26:03,508 Speaker 1: They have formed an identity and you stick with it. 540 00:26:03,628 --> 00:26:06,108 Speaker 1: If I'm a player in that huddle, I know we're 541 00:26:06,148 --> 00:26:08,268 Speaker 1: coming after. We have to hold up. They weren't able to. 542 00:26:08,388 --> 00:26:10,188 Speaker 1: They kick the field goal. But for the Giants the 543 00:26:10,308 --> 00:26:12,308 Speaker 1: beginning of the season, if we would have said, hey, 544 00:26:12,508 --> 00:26:14,468 Speaker 1: towards the end, the Giants have a chance to win 545 00:26:14,628 --> 00:26:17,468 Speaker 1: and get in the playoffs, everybody would have taken it. 546 00:26:17,628 --> 00:26:19,948 Speaker 1: But we're here now. It doesn't mean anything to get 547 00:26:20,028 --> 00:26:22,188 Speaker 1: close and not get in. For the Giants, have a 548 00:26:22,308 --> 00:26:25,148 Speaker 1: bounce back win, get it this week against the Colts. 549 00:26:25,188 --> 00:26:27,508 Speaker 1: Having been in this in this backyard for quite some time. 550 00:26:27,548 --> 00:26:30,108 Speaker 1: If the Giants lose to the Indian alt at home 551 00:26:30,228 --> 00:26:32,948 Speaker 1: with a chance to get in, it is all time, 552 00:26:33,428 --> 00:26:36,308 Speaker 1: all time terrible loss for the Giants. The way to 553 00:26:36,348 --> 00:26:38,508 Speaker 1: Coast look last night though, you can't lose that. Yah, 554 00:26:38,868 --> 00:26:41,628 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the New York Jets or New York 555 00:26:42,668 --> 00:26:45,108 Speaker 1: Jets were dead and buried on Thursday night. They look 556 00:26:45,188 --> 00:26:47,188 Speaker 1: terrible against the Jaguars and it was like, oh, we 557 00:26:47,228 --> 00:26:49,748 Speaker 1: have no shot to get in. Then the Patriots lost, 558 00:26:49,988 --> 00:26:54,788 Speaker 1: then the Dolphins lost, then the Raiders lost, and suddenly 559 00:26:55,028 --> 00:26:56,988 Speaker 1: the Jets were looking around and they're like, wait, the 560 00:26:57,108 --> 00:26:59,708 Speaker 1: Browns lost too. They are right in the thick of it. 561 00:26:59,828 --> 00:27:02,308 Speaker 1: Here's what the Jets need. They need to beat Seattle 562 00:27:02,428 --> 00:27:04,588 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Then they need to beat my me. We 563 00:27:04,588 --> 00:27:06,468 Speaker 1: don't know who their quarterback is going to be in Miami, 564 00:27:06,748 --> 00:27:08,548 Speaker 1: and they need the Patriots to lose at least one 565 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:12,348 Speaker 1: game between the Dolphins and the Bills, that's feasible. Jets 566 00:27:12,388 --> 00:27:15,788 Speaker 1: can win out. Hey, Jets, Gino Smith, former quarterback of 567 00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:19,908 Speaker 1: your franchise, Mike White, go up to Seattle, go beat Gino, 568 00:27:20,148 --> 00:27:22,588 Speaker 1: and then come back home and beat the Dolphins. Jets 569 00:27:22,628 --> 00:27:25,708 Speaker 1: have not been in the playoffs nearly a decade. For 570 00:27:25,828 --> 00:27:27,628 Speaker 1: more than a decade, I think it's time for them 571 00:27:27,628 --> 00:27:28,948 Speaker 1: to get back in there. They seem a little bit 572 00:27:28,948 --> 00:27:31,228 Speaker 1: of help. I saw this headline recently when I was 573 00:27:31,308 --> 00:27:33,228 Speaker 1: searching for this team that needs a bounce back win. 574 00:27:33,308 --> 00:27:36,548 Speaker 1: That film the blank has a hot mess at quarterback. 575 00:27:36,668 --> 00:27:38,988 Speaker 1: The Jets kind of qualify, you know, the forty nine 576 00:27:39,068 --> 00:27:41,588 Speaker 1: ers could have. But then brock Purty just emerges brock Purty. 577 00:27:41,708 --> 00:27:44,708 Speaker 1: It was the Commanders. The Commanders have a hot mess 578 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:49,268 Speaker 1: quarterback situation. Indeed they do because Taylor Heineke, Carson Wentz. 579 00:27:49,348 --> 00:27:52,148 Speaker 1: What is happening. The point is this team is right there. 580 00:27:52,228 --> 00:27:54,468 Speaker 1: In fact, win or lose the next couple of weeks. 581 00:27:54,628 --> 00:27:56,388 Speaker 1: They have a direct impact on a lot of team 582 00:27:56,428 --> 00:28:00,028 Speaker 1: like the Packers, for example. But Terry McLaurin has been 583 00:28:00,068 --> 00:28:04,188 Speaker 1: playing great, Johan Dotson has been playing great, Brian Robinson 584 00:28:04,428 --> 00:28:07,268 Speaker 1: has been playing great. The defense like it's there, it's 585 00:28:07,388 --> 00:28:11,028 Speaker 1: right there. But these quarterbacks, like someone's got to steady 586 00:28:11,068 --> 00:28:14,348 Speaker 1: the ship here. Ron Rivera has had a great season coaching, 587 00:28:14,388 --> 00:28:15,828 Speaker 1: He's been on the show. We've chatted with him. He 588 00:28:15,868 --> 00:28:18,108 Speaker 1: seems like he's in a good place. But like, man, 589 00:28:18,588 --> 00:28:23,548 Speaker 1: someone take ownership of this. Heini, I'm a heinicky person. Yeah, 590 00:28:23,628 --> 00:28:25,988 Speaker 1: I just what about you guys. I think they're going 591 00:28:26,028 --> 00:28:30,268 Speaker 1: to heck of a story if Wentz leads him. Speaking 592 00:28:30,308 --> 00:28:32,828 Speaker 1: of those Packers hanging on by a thread, they're playing 593 00:28:32,868 --> 00:28:35,188 Speaker 1: the Vikings this weekend Week seventeen. Looking ahead, how about 594 00:28:35,188 --> 00:28:36,308 Speaker 1: Winston Falls playing in the