1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: Yea a tiny bit of trivia to begin today's episode, 2 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, fellow ridiculous historians. Once upon a time, 3 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: I Ben Bolin lived in Guatemala. Ben, you always play 4 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: your tales of adventure and Guatemala very close to the 5 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: vest I'm hoping today that will change. My name is Noel, 6 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: and this is ridiculous history. Why are we talking about Guatemalaban. 7 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked, Noel, we're talking about Guatemala 8 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: today because it leads us into a very strange topic us, 9 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: one that we think you might rightly call ridiculous. Our 10 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: super producer Casey Pegram certainly did off air earlier. He chuckled, yeah, 11 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: which we took as very high praise. So when I 12 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: was living in Guatemala, one of the things that constantly 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: astounded me was the wealth of ancient culture there, especially 14 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: as you go up into the northern part of the 15 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: country Paton h Then you will see all these amazing 16 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: ruins that have was stood the test of time pretty 17 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: well and are currently protected by the government, which is 18 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: a good thing. And it inspired in me this interest 19 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: in uh Mayan culture, Mesoamerican culture, but Maya in particular. 20 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: And the reason I was so inspired by this is 21 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: because I was I was living in town called j 22 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: La cat Altonango, and there's still a lot of my 23 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: influence there. I remember learning Spanish well enough to get 24 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: by in the day, and then people would switch to 25 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: teach a the other language they spoke. I did not 26 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: know that that was a thing until we started researching 27 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: this topic today. Um Man, should we should we let 28 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: the cat of the bag? We can let it, let 29 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: it roll around, just to say good word, because I 30 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: would make sure people know that we are we are 31 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: being respectful with this. It's a very different thing for 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: both of us. Okay, Ben, you're really doubling down on this. 33 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: It's just I think it's just one sentence we needed 34 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: to say it. There is such a wealth of cultural practice, 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: a lot of which might seem strange to many of 36 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: us in the modern day. And recently, Noel, with the 37 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: help of our pal Christopher Hasciotaes, we discovered a ritual 38 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: that we had never heard of, right, I mean, you 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: hadn't heard of this in this contect. I had not 40 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: heard of it in this context. Um What I would 41 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: like you to do, Ben is is give me a 42 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: list of three, because, as we decided, a list must 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: be three minimum. Well that's the bare bones, the the 44 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the barrier of entry to a list there we go 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: is three. So give me three cultural um oddities that 46 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: you found in your time in Guatemala, ending with the 47 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: one that is today's episode that you only found out 48 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: about just recently. Okay, yes, I'll play these reindeer games. 49 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: So one people wouldn't snap their fingers the way that 50 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: you and I do like that. What you do is, 51 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: and imagine this with us listeners, you take your thumb 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: and your middle finger and you put them together so 53 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: the fingertips touch, and then you shake your hand. I 54 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: can do it with my left hand, and you make 55 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a snapping noise. It's tough. You make a snapping noise 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: with your pointer finger against your middle finger. That sounds 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: like that would wear out your wrists. Yeah, agreed. I 58 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: still never quite mastered the trick too. And this is 59 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. All those old bluebird school 60 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: buses that you know, fairy kids back and forth to 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: school the States. When they were retired, they move outside 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: the United States down south and they become what are 63 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: known as chicken busses and there a mode of transit. 64 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: If you get a second look them up on Google 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: that they're amazing. You would love these in particular and old. 66 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: They have a lot of psychedelic colors. Uh, there are 67 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: these amazing mods and the drivers will take these things 68 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: anywhere around volcanoes, sort of like a crazy, grateful dead bus. 69 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: And of course number three nol we just found out about. 70 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the honor to you, my friend. Yeah, 71 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is sort of a hollow setup 72 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that I have envisioned, but I mainly just wanted to 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: hear some of the trivia that you had from your 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: time there. But we'll get into more. The third one 75 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: in the topic of the day's episode is that back 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: in the days of these Mesoamerican indigenous tribes, the my 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: other income of the Aztec, the Toltec, the ol Ma. 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: We'll get into more of those. Uh, there was a 79 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: pretty heavy focus on getting utterly smashed on everything from 80 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: fermented plants to psychedelic mushrooms. Um, all in the service 81 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: of opening up your mind to the spirit world in 82 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of a shamanistic way. Yeah. But the one that 83 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: we didn't really know about this is all kind of 84 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: on the nose is that they did this thing where 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: they gave themselves and potentially each other ritualistic alcohol animals. 86 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: That is true. We will restate this so that you 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: know you are not mishearing this thing instead a Freudian 88 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: slip of your ear ritual alcohol enemas, ritualistic alcohol animas. 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Because you see, when you are exploring the material crafts 90 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: left behind by the civilization, you will see a lot 91 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: of depictions on on the pottery right or on the 92 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: walls of people doing various things, stories from the mythology 93 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: of the time, as well as daily life commemorations of 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: the lives of noted figures glyphs right, yeah, glyphs. And 95 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: you will also see a ton of what what are 96 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: definitively believed to be enemous scenes like you just described 97 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: nol and they're on the Mayan pottery. Experts agree that 98 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: these undoubtedly represent that like these are not metaphors, they 99 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: undoubtedly represent a literal activity. And for a while this 100 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: was controversial because it's sort of, um, it's sort of 101 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: undermined the image that a lot of people had of 102 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the Mayans as a very contemplative philosophical people. Yeah, even stoic. 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: They couldn't. They couldn't quite square that with the idea 104 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: of indulging in ritual acts of ecstasy. There were also 105 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: displays of characters vomiting. That's right. Then. In an article 106 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: called Blood, Water, Vomit, and Wine Um, author Lucia Henderson 107 00:06:54,600 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: discusses the importance of these various fermented drinks um that 108 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: were used in some of these ceremonies, one of them 109 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: being something called pulque, Yes, pulque and you can find 110 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: this article online in the Mesoamerican Voices Journal. Polka is 111 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: an alcoholic beverage that is made by fermenting the sap 112 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: of an agave plant, specifically a mague, not magua. Be careful, 113 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: not a gremlin's reference. Uh m, a g u e y. 114 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: And you may be familiar with agave being used in 115 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: other alcoholic beverages, right even in the modern day, so 116 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: we know that this was widespread in in many different forms. 117 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: It's almost more of an umbrella term at times. But 118 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: uh no, could you tell us a little bit about 119 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: polk and what it is and what's in it? I 120 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: know honey is associated with it. Yeah, so pul ku um. 121 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: It was actually also called act um in the waddle, 122 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: which is the Aztec language um. And it's, like you said, 123 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: made from the sap of this plant um. But they 124 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: actually have to cut into the heart of the plant, 125 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: which is the part that you I believe the word 126 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: was mague. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is it actually 127 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: has pretty low alcohol content um, ranging from two to 128 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: eight percent. According to an article Tequila, Mescal and Pulque 129 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: by Suzanne Barbeza from Trips Savvy, Um, it's got a 130 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: really good rundown of the differences because they are all 131 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: made from agave. But the difference with polk is that 132 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: it's made from that heart, kind of like a heart 133 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: of palm or like an ARTI choke hard or But 134 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: it's a pretty low alcohol content. So it kind of 135 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: makes sense maybe that in order to get wasted on 136 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: it enough to open your mind up to this kind 137 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: of other dimension, you might need to absorb it a 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: little quicker. That's right. The drink had its own goddess. 139 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: It was very common in the culture. It featured in 140 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: tales of Mesoamerican mythology, and as you said, Noel, it 141 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: was draw in moderation on a daily basis. But for 142 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: these important religious festivals, you know, weddings, fertility rights, ceremonies 143 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: of that nature. Who has served in more copious amounts 144 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: and to really get the bang for their buck. They 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: administered it directly correctly. And we're you know, we're adults. 146 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: We can say directly without giggling. I mean, we can 147 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: at least make a game out of not giggling and 148 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: looking each other directly in the eyes while we say correctly. 149 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm golden, good, great, great, how are you? 150 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm great. Let's go on, let's move on with So 151 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: how did they administer this? You talked about finding those artifacts, right, 152 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: the clay pots and all of that. Another type of 153 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: artifact that they found a lot of this is coming 154 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: from a study by the way um from the journal 155 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Neuralgia called Hallucinogenic Drugs and Pre Columbian meso American Cultures 156 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: by F. J. Caro ar Tall And one of the 157 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: bits of evidence outside of the depictions of these ritual 158 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: enemas um on these pieces of pottery, were the actual 159 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: implements used to shoot that stuff up there um. They 160 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: were syringes. This stuff was administered with syringes made from 161 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 1: gourds and clay. And if you look at one of 162 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: the figures in the study, there is a depiction of 163 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: one of these mind ritual enemas, and it's a gentleman, 164 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: uh laying what do you call it legs akimbo I guess, 165 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: sort of reclining and displayed. There you go. And then 166 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: you got a priest or some kind of easy seems 167 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: to be wearing a different garb um and he is 168 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: reaching down um at him with this thing that looks 169 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of like alot, but it's actually clearly a gourd 170 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: and it's got, you know, the big bulb at the bottom. 171 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: It was obviously full of pole quay or any of 172 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: the other similar related beverages exactly of the of the region. 173 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: And it looks like he's getting ready to to give 174 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: give give him a good squirt. Yeah, he's gonna have 175 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: a rager right, Well, apparently so, and we need to 176 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: backtrack just to touch We sort of started the episode 177 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: off by saying that a lot of this was done 178 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: in service of getting into a trance like state, because 179 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: the purpose was to achieve enlightenment. We talked about this 180 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: cultures as being the meso American cultures are being perceived 181 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: as more stoic. And this doesn't necessarily entirely fly in 182 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: the face of that, because they're not doing this just 183 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: around you know, their daily goings on. This is all 184 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: in these We call it ritualistic for a reason. It 185 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: was to open up their minds to achieve this enlightenment 186 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: um get into a state of ecstasy and almost like 187 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: an inner peace, and to potentially achieve hallucinations and sort 188 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,239 Speaker 1: of a vision questy way and being able to commune 189 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: with the gods. Yeah, that's that's the idea. It's removing 190 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: some of the barriers of perception that would exist in 191 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: normal data day life. So what we're emphasizing here is 192 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: that when people were doing it, it wasn't to just 193 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: party hardy without some sort of larger plan here. Uh. 194 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: We also, in addition to the tools or the implements 195 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, all the gourds and syringes, we also 196 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: found these thin hollow bones. We know that there was 197 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: a practice in some similar cultures where shamans would use 198 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: a deer bladder and maybe hollowed out femur bone to 199 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: pump a substance through the rectum into into the body. 200 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: And there were some although you know, this thing is 201 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: rife for some crass humor. There were some definite medical advantages. 202 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't touch your stomach. It doesn't touch your stomach, 203 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: and it doesn't touch your liver. Yes, and the anus 204 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: is full of very sensitive vascular tissue that highly highly absorptive. Yeah. Yeah, 205 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: And since there's another point with the liver thing that's 206 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: really important and I'm so glad you brought this up. 207 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: The liver would break down hallucinogenic elements. So administering these 208 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: substances this way, to your point, gives you much more 209 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: bang for your buck inebriation or hallucination wise. Yeah, no, 210 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: it's true. And um, I you know, I wonder if 211 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: the the location of injection was less important than just 212 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: the fact that it was a more efficient way of 213 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: achieving that state, especially with alcohol that was relatively lower 214 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: in potency. Um. We we actually skip. The earliest form 215 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: of of this of intoxicating liquors that they use, it 216 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: was something called bal chay that's made by infusing um 217 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: the bark, some sort of broken down version of the 218 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: bark from a tree called the longco carpus uh angus stylus, 219 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and then they mix that with honey. This particular kind 220 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: of honey that's made by bees that have fed on 221 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: a morning glory derivative that is very high in something 222 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: called ergine, which is very closely related to a little 223 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: something called l S. D Ergine is li sergic acid 224 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: A mind and um. It also can be lisergic acid 225 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: uh life surgeon mind. So I think it's a very 226 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: close molecular connection between that and life sergic acid diethylamide, 227 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: which is the we know about from the you know, 228 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: from the Grateful Dead busses earlier in the episode, or 229 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: from fish earlier in Vermont. It's true. But here's the thing. 230 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: They would, you know, a lot of times when they 231 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: were doing these ritual enemas, they would add other psychedelic substances, 232 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: psychotropic substances and mix them into kind of a cocktail. 233 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: And then that's how they would achieve the heights of 234 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: um openness. Tobacco for an since water lilies, those all 235 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: went in there. And you know the thing about pul 236 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: k specifically is that it had an extremely short shelf life, 237 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: so these other alternatives could exist concurrently, but they were 238 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: when we talked about these ritual enemies. Whatever the substance was, 239 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: and whatever the specific cocktail mix was, it had the 240 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: same goal, which was again to achieve this enlightenment. And 241 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about you know, but I was startled 242 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: by how much research had been conducted on this. You know. 243 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: It hit me when I was thinking back on search 244 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: history and whatever Big Brother would see us looking through 245 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: that for some time, my search history will be riddled 246 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: with things like Brian Strauss and Justin Cares article notes 247 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: on the May envision quest by enema and then of 248 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: course blood water, vomit and wine. Uh. We found a 249 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: comprehensive breakdown to your point about the specific ingredients in 250 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: these enemas. We found a comprehensive breakdown of it by 251 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: a guy named Peter A g M. Dismet ritual enemas 252 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: and snuffs in the America. Snuffs being things that you 253 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: would insult fate like um um cocaine, for example, for 254 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: any number of um powders that could be ground down 255 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: from plant matter and rather than ingesting it orally, you 256 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: sniff it up your nose. Yeah exactly. And you know 257 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: what I'd like to make insulfate our word of the day, 258 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: a pewee thing um did we mention the fact that 259 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: this has been going on as far back as twelve 260 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: hundred to four hundred b c. With the all Mac people. 261 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: We have not, and it's important that we do, because 262 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: we mentioned the phrase polk and the phrase ma being 263 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: and being thrown around, but we didn't mention the actual 264 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: earliest instances of this practice. And I believe you are 265 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: Bellevio are correct, so it is the old Here's a 266 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: good detail too. Because the alcohol content and these substances 267 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: were so low um they would inject them um rectally 268 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: and it would often they would get so intoxicated that 269 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: they would vomit. And there was part of the ritual, 270 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: particular ritual where their vomit would be collected in bags 271 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: that would then be hung around their necks. And this 272 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: was a way also of publicly displaying your completion of 273 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: our participation in this ritual. And in the article that 274 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Straws and Care worked on, they gave us a little 275 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: bit of background as far as the transportation of this 276 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: stuff goes. Here's a quotation. The enemy substance they say 277 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: may have been transported in liquid form. Given the large 278 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: size of these jars, they had specific enema jars, right 279 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: you can see the and those are things that bear 280 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: a lot of these decoration exact lifts, so they continue. 281 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: It's difficult to think of why this would be the 282 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: case unless some of the ingredients included fermentation based alcohol. 283 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: It's conceivable the heavy jar was transported empty of liquid 284 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 1: and the materials were mixed with liquid on the spot. 285 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: But unless a large quantity was used at a time, 286 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: the reason for carrying such a jar is rather a mystery. 287 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: I love when people use rather that way. I'm going 288 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: to start bringing that back. Do you have my back 289 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: on that. We're gonna have your back on everything, Ben, 290 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: Thanks man. Likewise, so we we know that they had 291 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: these specific jars, we know the things that were decorated 292 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: on them, and we know that they had specific recurring characters, 293 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: which I think is so cool. I'm just a big 294 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: world building nerd in that regard. And when we talk 295 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: about characters too, they actually have these terra cotta figures 296 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: that demonstrated the proper procedure for um. I'm trying to 297 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: think of an other way of saying it, administering ministering 298 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: these butt fluids. Yes, yes, so we see some common themes. No, 299 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: you described the priest administering something to a supplicant or 300 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: the receiver. Yeah, I guess priest is maybe a too 301 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: broad a term, some something of a shaman who is 302 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: trying to guide this process. And here's the thing. What 303 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: were these rituals about. They were often things like about 304 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: healing rituals where and I just want to point out 305 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: too that it was most important for the leader of 306 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: these rituals, the shaman, to be as open as possible 307 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to this spirit, realm or I have you. But he 308 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: would also administer to the supplicants, you know, the participants 309 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: in in the ritual you mentioned earlier, I think marriage rituals. 310 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: We're talking about fertility rights, I think you said. And 311 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: then the healing, wherein someone maybe was ill or or 312 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: dying did in some way, and this would be a 313 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: way to exercise that in some way and and hopefully 314 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: to promote healing, even though there is no real medical 315 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: efficacy here. We'll get to that in a second too. 316 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: We can see some of these rituals, or we can 317 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: glean some of the purposes behind them by again looking 318 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: at the glyphs, the decorations in the art surrounding these jars. 319 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: Because they have these recurring participants. There's water lily jaguar uh. 320 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: This is a character who's frequently seen in Enema jug 321 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: scenes for the Enema ritual. He has a turban bib. 322 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: You'll see him involved in enemies that are associated with 323 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: sacrificial rights. Interesting. You'll see um other characters like spider Monkey, 324 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: who is also common in Enema jug scenes. And then 325 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: you'll see things like drug bird. That's the name. Jug 326 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: bird is distinguished by a beak with the fat out 327 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like any real bird, but it's 328 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: present at least four enimous scenes that are on these jugs. 329 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: You have other characters like big lipped frogs uh and 330 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: often holding a water lily or something that would be 331 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: representative of ingredients and in particular type of cocktail. And 332 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: then when we start getting into some of the other 333 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: substances they would imbibe, like psychedelic mushrooms. They even had 334 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: a the mixed Tech people had a god called seven 335 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Flowers who is shown holding two mushrooms in each of 336 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: his hands. But you know who didn't like this behavior, Ben, Oh, gosh, 337 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: tell me who on earth would have a problem with this? 338 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: Was the priests, the Catholics, the Catholic prief. Yeah, the 339 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: first one, Diego de landa Um. He gave this account 340 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: of of experiencing some of this stuff. He said the 341 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: Indians consumed. I was always think it's funny because these 342 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: are the use of Indian to to refer to Mayan 343 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: people and Astec people. It's kind of it's kind of 344 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: a misnomer, isn't it. I mean, it's it's lazy naming. 345 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: The idea was, uh, you know, the name comes from 346 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: this cockamamie idea that they had landed in the Indian continent. Oh, 347 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: speaking of which, you just posted a really great uh 348 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: Mitchell and Webb look sketch on the Ridiculous Historians Facebook 349 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: page that addresses that very thing. Anyway, here's the quote 350 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: from Diego. He says, the Indians consumed alcohol and drugs 351 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: and immense quantities, which gave rise to many evils, including murders. 352 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: They made wine from honey water and the root of 353 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: a certain tree. Let's just describing that bulk um that 354 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: they grew just for that purpose. The wine had a 355 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: very strong flavor and a putrid odor. Not a fan 356 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: of these rituals um. And then of course, you know 357 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: their goal was to turn them all into two good, 358 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: two good Catholics anyway, So any of these what they 359 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: would have seen as barbaric kind of rituals probably rubbed 360 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: them the wrong way, with or without the booze. Yeah, 361 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: and let's not forget this idea of proselytization on their 362 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: end was entirely by hook or by crook. The ends 363 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: justify the means. So we could imagine a bit we 364 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: can speculate on how the Spanish forces would have reacted 365 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: to this. Now, the idea of an enema in general 366 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: would not have been completely foreign to them. It is, 367 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: as they say in The Beauty and the Beast, a 368 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: tale as old as time, right. And I mean, you know, 369 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: animals are good for like one thing, which is uh, yeah, enemas. 370 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: Over the span of human civilizations, here's the sentence I 371 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: didn't think I would say today. Over the span of 372 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: human civilization, enemas have been used for numerous real or 373 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: purported medical benefits. Uh. They've been used for a bowel management. 374 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: They've also been you you know, to relieve constantation. That's 375 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: the one, Yeah, that's the one that I think is 376 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: actually accurate, that that it can help you with well, 377 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: They can also be used to administer other substances directly 378 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: into the bloodstream, of course, right as we know from 379 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,239 Speaker 1: from our pals of the minds, right or you know 380 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: from your local veterinarian, they may recommend that you give 381 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: someone a suppository or a pet a suppository. I guess, so, 382 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: I guess I think of those as being sort of 383 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: u two different sides of the same butt coin. Because 384 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: cinemas would be liquid, they don't have to be there 385 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: smoke ainemas. That's very true, Ben, you are really opening 386 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: my third eye. Oh boy. Yes, we are a family 387 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: show here. One thing that was very interesting to both 388 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: of us when we started exploring this stuff is that 389 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: there is an entire culture, so multiple cultures associated with 390 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: again the real or perceived effects of enemas in in 391 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: a palliative or medical sense. Absolutely, and if you want 392 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: to deep dive into this, I highly recommend checking out 393 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: our sister podcast Stuff You Miss in History Classes episode 394 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: on a fellow by the name of John Harvey Kellogg. 395 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: But let's give you the broad strokes. Yeah, John Harvey 396 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: Kellogg was nowadays best known as a serial visionary. Right 397 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: he made Kellogg corn Flakes. Serial visionary like he may. 398 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: He had many visions and then in success and quick succession, 399 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: I hope so, Yeah, I hope so. But he also, 400 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, came up with what's today still a very 401 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: popular breakfast item, the corn flake. And in his uh, 402 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: non serial tycoon life, he had very particular and nowadays 403 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: very strange seeming medical beliefs. Cereal was a side effect 404 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: of or I guess, an added value right to his 405 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: primary goal, which was improving people's health and stopping them 406 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: from masturbating. Yes, just like the Graham Cracker inventor. Yeah. 407 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: He saw masturbation as a moral danger and a medical problem. 408 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: He was a Seventh Day Adventist and a staunch vegetarian 409 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: and a health night Yeah, and a huge proponent of 410 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: enemas you can read, uh, you can read a great 411 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: article about this on the Washington Post by Rebecca Fowler. 412 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite titles, although all the 413 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: authors were citing here and knocking it out with the 414 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: titles today an enema of the people Nobel, that was 415 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: what Harvey Kellogg was after John, not a Blinko album. 416 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: It's an enem of the state of the state. And 417 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: that's been case on the case and Kellogg himself practiced 418 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: what he preached. He preached the health benefits of enemas. 419 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: He also administered multiple enemas a day to himself. Sure 420 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: do like you too. And the more you dive into 421 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: this and yeah, we do recommend the mist and history 422 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: class episode. Uh, the more we dive into it, the 423 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: more we see that while he had these very hardline 424 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: health health based principles like no smoking for instance, Uh, 425 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: he really really really doubled down on enemas. Yogurt enemas, 426 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: that was a big thing. They just messy. It seems like, 427 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: you know what, never tried it, but it does seem 428 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: really messy. Yeah, I'll take my my my yogurt orally, 429 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Um. But here's the thing. A 430 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: lot of this was was kind of considered to the 431 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: to now when we look at it through the lens 432 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: of science of modern science, to be kind of quackery 433 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: or at least, um, I don't know what do you 434 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: call it when you've got kind of pseudoscience, right and 435 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: and that, But but it persists to this day. Right, 436 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: there are people who swear up and down that, um, 437 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: coffee enemas are the thing, right and and speaking of 438 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: things you never thought you'd read in your web browser. 439 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: For a work related venture, I found an article called 440 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Anima History and the Mind Culture that was sort of 441 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: a travelogue of a gentleman who visited, uh, some of 442 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: these areas with these ruins to investigate the history of 443 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: what we've been talking about today. And it starts thus 444 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: in two I visited Guatemala in order to responsibly cultivate 445 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: my relationship with the fairly traded Anima coffee that I 446 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: sell from my colon cleansed clients to use for their 447 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: coffee enemas at home. And then there's a very helpful 448 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: link to his fairly traded animal coffee and it it's 449 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: it's very it's uh, it's it's certified organic, it's low acidity, 450 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: it's air roasted um, and it's hiring caffeine and palmitic acid, 451 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: and of course fairly traded. But this gentleman um just 452 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: is a real proponent of this remedy and it's it's 453 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: a thing. It's kind of a picking up steam a 454 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: little bit. And this particular type of of cleans is 455 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: part of something called the Gerson therapy that was developed 456 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties. But the f d A has 457 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: consider instantly come out against cleanses of any kind, saying 458 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: that the science just isn't there, and then enemas are 459 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: really only good for that one thing we talked about earlier, 460 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: which was you know, curing constipation as as God intended, 461 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: or you know, for shooting alcohol up your butt and 462 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: making you incredibly intoxicated so you can you know, talk 463 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: to the spirits or in some cases medicine to help 464 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: you that would happen. Also true, I still think that's different. 465 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: That's just directal administration of you know what though. That's 466 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, alcohol is not like it's it's not water. 467 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: You're shooting it up there just to get the effects 468 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: of it. It's not like you're not using it as 469 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: a cleanse. Well yeah, you know. The thing that I 470 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: think fascinates both of us is not just how widespread 471 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: this practice has been, but the fact that it continues today. 472 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: Unlike several other traditional practices in Mesoamerica, this practice survived 473 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: colonialism and some tribes still practice it. It's true. And 474 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: additionally here even we record in the United States, as 475 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, a long time listeners here it is also 476 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: a popular thing, but under a different name. Man, do 477 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: we get to say it now? Yes? You you have 478 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: waited long enough. But jugging you say it, you say 479 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: it right. I'm gonna say it in a in a 480 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: posh British voice, but chugging. But no, that just sounds 481 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: like you're saying, but chugging is not good for you. 482 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: You should drink more gentlemanly like and slower at at 483 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: a medium pace. I need you to say, but jugging. 484 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: I feel like that's your voice. How about Okay, you 485 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: don't have to say it in that voice. I just 486 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: want you to really lean into it. Uh, A rowdy 487 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: bottom chug. Okay, that's good, that's fine, that's great. Hey man, 488 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: if if you do, you I'll do. I obviously am 489 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: more excited about but chugging than you are, and that's fine. 490 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: We're two different people. We can have our own feels 491 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: about things. So but chugging, essentially is is administering alcohol 492 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: directly without the purpose of pursuing some great spiritual revelation 493 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: or epiphany. It's recreational. Yeah, there was a there was 494 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: a case back in oh when was it two thousand fourteen? Um, 495 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: that's not she was little earlier than that. Two fourteen 496 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: when that was when the fallout kind of went down. 497 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: It was in two thousand twelve where a fraternity at 498 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee, the Pi Kappa Alpha chapter UM, 499 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: had got into a little hot water when an underage 500 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: student named Alexander P. Broughton went to the hospital after 501 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: a a real rager, as they say, UM, with an 502 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: alcohol blood alcohol level of point four oh, which is 503 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: five times the legal limit and in what doctors called 504 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: the death zone for alcohol voice zone. Yeah. And they 505 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: examined him and decided that he had been penetrated in 506 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: some way. They said, there was signs of sexual assaults UM. 507 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: And it came out that the investigators believed, rather than 508 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: him having been sexually assaulted in some way, that he 509 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: had this alcohol administered directly right with a length of hose. Yeah. Yeah. 510 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: And there's a misconception amongst many people, or there was 511 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: at the time, that inserting alcohol into any other orifice 512 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: would reduce the chances of vomiting from a hangover or 513 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: something like that. Seems off, it's misinformed at the very least, 514 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and the experts have labeled this activity extremely dangerous because 515 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: think about it. You know, if first off, if this 516 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: is being done to someone as another ritual, like a 517 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: fraternity hazing ritual or something, then safety is not prioritized 518 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: near as much as it should be. Absolutely, Man, whenever 519 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: I have you been to a fraternity party before? Yeah, yeah, 520 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: I've only been to one and it was well after 521 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I had graduated from college. And I have to say 522 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: I was shocked, Ben, I was shocked just the depravity. 523 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I just thought there was like a like 524 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: a very slight three year old girl in a devil 525 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: costume walking around pounding a handle, mind you, a vodka 526 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: all by herself, like that was her beverage for the night. Um. 527 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: I I was, you know, I like a good, a 528 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: stiff drink as much as as the rest of them. 529 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: But I was taken aback. Um. But here's the thing 530 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: with the story about from ut. Yeah, it turned out 531 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: that it was very important to uh, the father of 532 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: this young man, and the fraternity and their lawyers to 533 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: make it very clear that no butt chugging took place. 534 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: In fact, there is a delightful um clip you can find. 535 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: We're not going to play it here. You can see 536 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: that if you want, where their lawyer says the phrase 537 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: butt shugging no less than fifteen times in this press conference, 538 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: and it is it's a hoot, he claimed the so 539 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: of the boy that he was participating in a party 540 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: called the Tour of Franzia, because when they went back 541 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: to investigate the scene, they found um like those wine 542 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: box bags if you open up the box of wine 543 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: sometimes space bag, space bag. They found those littered everywhere 544 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of passed out fraternity brothers there. And 545 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the Tour of Franzias. I guess where you just drink 546 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: bad white zinfandel until you black out. Sounds like a 547 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: very niche audience. Here are a very niche party. But 548 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: despite the hilarious name of butt chugging, the dangers and 549 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: effects of this are very real. Like you really owned 550 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: it when you said at that time. And you know 551 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: what's funny about this snool is we hope everyone has 552 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed learning about these ritualistic practices that, maybe with different aims, 553 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: continue today in the in the modern world. Old but uh, 554 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, I am I'm a little 555 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: at odds about how best to end this, because it's 556 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: lovely when we end on questions so we can hear 557 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: from you friends and neighbors. But I think we should 558 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: be careful what questions we ask on this one. I 559 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: think we should do it. I would like to do 560 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: a little p s a here and say, kids, don't 561 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: put alcohol in your butt. No, just don't do it. 562 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: Don't do it. Just don't do it. Don't don't do it. 563 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: There's not worth it. There are better things you can do. 564 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: You can reach the spirit realm naturally. You can meditate, exercise, yeah, 565 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: you can um climb a tree, Yeah, climb a tree. 566 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: You know what, Go look at the stars. They're beautiful 567 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: this time of year. They're beautiful all the time. And 568 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: uh on that note, Uh oh, no, you know what 569 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: it is. It's been so long I didn't think it 570 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: was ever gonna happen again. It's always gonna happen. It's time, gentlemen, 571 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the quister, you've returned yet again to bedevil 572 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: us with fact and fiction, and you're in top wickedly 573 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: gleeful form, my friend, I mean my bitter enemy. Yes, 574 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: with flattery will gets you nowhere. So this is again. Uh, 575 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: there's a surprise to us, as it always seems to be, 576 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: when we're about to end the episode. This is the 577 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: part of Ridiculous History wherein our longstanding nemesis Jonathan Strickland, 578 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: the quister returns to give us a fact, and Nolan, 579 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: I must determine whether it is true or it is false. 580 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: We have three minutes, yes, and that that timer on 581 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: this gigantic grandfather clock behind us does not start until 582 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: after you have stated the claim. More of a great 583 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: grandfather clock, isn't it? And we should point out that 584 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: I also always give you an arbitrary rule you must 585 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: follow every time. This time, because we are talking about alcohol, 586 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: I got your nice, a nice adult beverage. So before 587 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: any question you must pop that open, take a swig, 588 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: and then say I got I got one for a quister. 589 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: And just to are you, have you had a few? 590 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: You sound a little define a few. The word the 591 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: euphemism I've always liked to use is charming. No, I 592 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: think no saying you sound a bit charming. The quister 593 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: is nothing if not charming. That's true, So charming. The 594 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: room is spinning rate. Now, all right, I hope that 595 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: you administer this alcohol orally well, you know that he 596 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: is young. It's fair true, so we uh, we will 597 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: have to pop the first time we asked something, and 598 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: then after that just sail right. Assuming that you have 599 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: to ask anything at all, you may you may feel 600 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: very confident did not have to ask any questions. And 601 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: just to point out to the listeners at home, it 602 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: is approach five. Um, so I think it's it's perfectly 603 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: appropriates over the hard arm somewhere. Indeed, all right, let's 604 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: do this. Here's your scenario, and guess what what, it's 605 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 1: a long one. Here we go. Since eighteen sixty three, 606 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: every year on January fifteen, in Osawa Ons in Japan, 607 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: there is an interesting sake fueled ritual that pitts villagers 608 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: against each other, all in the name of the Shinto religion. 609 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: All men who are either twenty five or forty two 610 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: years old are conscripted to guard a wooden shrine constructed 611 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: just for the event. The men are encouraged to drink sake, 612 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: a lot of it, like half a gallon of the 613 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: stuff of more. The purpose for drinking that much is 614 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: to imbue the young men with the courage to face 615 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: what comes next. That next thing is a priest in 616 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: owls the shrine with a dostogen, or a protective travel 617 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: spirit associated with crossroads. The drunken twenty five and forty 618 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: two year olds must then defend the shrine against all 619 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: the other men of the village, who armed themselves with 620 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: torches an attempt to burn the shrine down. At least 621 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: one person has died from injuries sustained in this yearly festival, 622 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: and many received serious injuries. The whole ceremony originally was 623 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: meant to encourage a good harvest. These days it's also 624 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: to wish for a profitable skiing season. You need some 625 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: water man begin all right, I am officially starting the timer. 626 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: I get one for you. Him him, So, why are 627 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: they only twenty five and forty two? And they're not arranged? Right? 628 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: It's not everyone forty two, it's those ages, specific and 629 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: excellent question. Many Japanese traditions are based superstition, and the 630 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: festival is no different. With the twenty five and two 631 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: year old in the village chosen to take on the 632 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: special roles because those are the so called unlucky ages 633 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: for men. Of course, he had an answer for him. 634 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's almost suspicious. There we go, there 635 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: we go. Why are you so horrible? It's just comes naturally, 636 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: I guess that's fair, that's it. Yeah, I don't know, man, 637 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: I thought you were bringing the fire. I got no. 638 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: He puts out my fire. He extinguishes me like like 639 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: one of those torches in this potentially untrue story. So 640 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: we're at two minutes. Hang on there, you got one 641 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: for you. What is what? What year did this originate? In? 642 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: It again? Eighteen sixty three? Uh? Damn it? There? Go alright, yeah, 643 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: to back up on him, what is the what town 644 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: is it? And again it's it's in which is at 645 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: the base of a mountain range? Oh? What is this? 646 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: Like some kind of generic just just beer, just just 647 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: just store brand beer in a white can with the 648 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: word beer. Hun it skunky. It's like a prop you'd 649 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: see in a movie. I couldn't at least bring natty 650 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 1: like I honestly found it like in the basement. But 651 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, um, I don't know, man, there's so 652 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: many things like can't you just give us a quick 653 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: a to be kind of like scenario This was a 654 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 1: quick one. No, No, okay, what the torches? The burning down? 655 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,360 Speaker 1: Why the man? I I think it's not true. I 656 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: think it's it seems like Ben that there's parts of 657 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: this I know there are rituals like this that they do. 658 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: There's like the sak ceremonies um where they even like, 659 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, spit the minted the rice and they they 660 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: make their saki, spit the rice, chew it up and 661 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: spit it into a queue, and then they cover it 662 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: and bury it and then it's like the whole thing. 663 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: It was in a movie I saw. Um. I just 664 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: feel because I'm such an optimistic person, I feel burned 665 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: every time I guess true and it's not. You know, 666 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: I just want to believe in stuff too much. I know, 667 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: I know, I guess. I just feel like, what what 668 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: were they risk burning down infrastructure? Yeah, you want to 669 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: go not true? Five four three, Okay, we're gonna lock it. 670 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: We didn't lock it in yet. Stop looking at me 671 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: that way, cuister. That's our time. He's given me a look. 672 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, you never know with Okay, all right, we'll 673 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: say it that. Let's do it. Not true, you poor idiots, 674 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: you poor idiots. It's true, son of us. It is 675 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,919 Speaker 1: absolutely true. I gave you this on a platter. I 676 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: did you say platter? Laatter? Listen, I've had a few, 677 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: all right, listen, listen, listen, man bowl and listen. Had 678 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: to make sure it was good stuff that I brought you. Listen, 679 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: all right? So anyway, yeah, no, this is one of 680 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: the three big fire festivals of Japan. It's actually one 681 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: of the most famous. Has been covered various news outlets 682 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: like NPR, and I mean it was the internet is 683 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: lousy with information about this thing, and I thought for 684 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: sure one of you would have heard about it, since 685 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: it's so crazy. So I feel, have you heard about 686 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: the one with the rice? Though? Where the spit that one? So? 687 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: So what is happening here is the doso jin is 688 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: as a Shinto spirit that is considered to be a 689 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: kindly spirit that helps travelers, and and so the the 690 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: priest from the nearby shrine supposedly abused this temporary shrine, 691 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: this model of a shrine that's been constructed over the 692 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: course of a few days by about a hundred villagers 693 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: with the spirit of a of a doso Jean. The 694 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: whole purpose is to burn it. It's it's it's almost 695 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: like an offer. And so they build a big bonfire 696 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: out of various pieces of very flammable stuff and lots 697 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 1: of the toole m dolls and things that represent various 698 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: elements of the culture, and then the men of the 699 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: village they light their tortures, they are supposed to eventually 700 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: burn the thing down. I think that's also one of 701 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: the reasons why the defenders are encouraged to get almost 702 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: blackout drunk. It seems dangerous fire. Yeah, that's a guy. 703 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: Guy died. He pee in my defense, in our defense. 704 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 1: When you say shrine and you're talking about like a village, 705 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: I think I'm picturing like a building that's meant to 706 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: stay there. No, this was absolutely just constructed for the 707 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: purpose of the festival. That's me and a lot of 708 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: those abilities are created from wood rather than this one. 709 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: Like you risk burning down the whole village though, Like 710 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: the pictures of this, by the way, are phenomenal. It 711 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: happens January every year. So if you guys, you know 712 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna want to do a ridiculous history on the road. 713 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, extra credits be there. Yeah, let's get 714 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: the bosses to pop for Japan tickets. Yeah, lend just 715 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: for fun. Let's find one of our coworkers that is 716 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: either forty two or twenty five and not tell them 717 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: what's going down to way like you know what age 718 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: I am this year? Right? Two just missed it? Well, yeah, 719 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: well I can't even be man that that was good. 720 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: I I love learning new stuff nol. So, although Quister, 721 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,439 Speaker 1: I do feel like you put a lot more work 722 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 1: into gloating about today than you did into doing the question, 723 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: I applaud you. I gave you so many hints for 724 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: one thing. Just the last time I was on here, 725 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: you mentioned that when I do a really long one, 726 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: it means it's fake. I did another really long one 727 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: just so that you would know it was real, and 728 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: you still chose. I could tell by the way you 729 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: were looking at me. Man should have flipped him, should I? Yeah, 730 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: But we're a team. We are We're a team. I 731 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: don't want to do a last minute flip. And we 732 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: have your back. Folks, thank you so much for tuning in. 733 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: Uh and Quister, Uh, thank you for coming on the show. 734 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: Enjoy your beer, Thank you for the thank you for 735 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: the unlabeled generic basement beer. I say, swill. Well, uh, 736 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: that's it for us today. However, if you would like 737 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: to learn more ridiculous history, if you would like to 738 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: hang out with your fellow ridiculous historians, Boy do we 739 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: have good news for you. Yeah, you can do it 740 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: on the Facebook. You can just go on the Facebook 741 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: page for the show, or if you want to take 742 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: it up a not you can join our Facebook group, 743 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: The Ridiculous Historians, where I hear that pretty soon we're 744 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna see pictures of superproducer Casey's very lucrative childhood modeling 745 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 1: career head shots. Here there's catalog spreads, spreads you know, 746 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: probably gonna be some oshkosh gosh involved. We'll get to 747 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: see him with an assortment of face com parents. From 748 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 1: what I hear, good stuff, good times over, good times 749 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: over on the Ridiculous Historians. Um. You can also do 750 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: us a solid and leave us a kindly review on 751 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: iTunes um, because you know, why wouldn't you. Yeah, we 752 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: we always like to hear from you, and uh do 753 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: remember to tune in for our next episode where we 754 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: nailed down the mystery behind the name of California. Spoiler 755 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: alert involves a badass Amazonian queen and weaponized Griffins. Yes, yes, yes, 756 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: what the heck are you guys talking about. We'll find 757 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: out at our very next episode. In the meantime, that's 758 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: all for today, Thank you so much. If you are 759 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: uh participating in any of the stuff we mentioned in 760 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: this topic. Not to sound too much like a worry warp, 761 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: but we, uh we, all of us, the Quister and 762 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: Casey included, hope that you are safe and make responsible decisions. Indeed, 763 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: I can't open the door, guys, I can't. I can't. 764 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm too far. It's because your hands are so tiny. 765 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: Let's get some torches.