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Speaker 3: Katie or or anybody can answer this question. Do you
Speaker 3: know who Keith Jarrett is? Mm? Hmm, I know the name,
Speaker 3: which is where I was about a week ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm Jarrett.
Speaker 3: I like all kinds of music, like there is on
Speaker 3: a song by song basis. There is no genre I
Speaker 3: don't like really except for metal. I just have never
Speaker 3: been able to get in any metal. But other than that,
Speaker 3: every genre there are songs I like and songs I don't.
Speaker 3: With songs thought, and so I'm like really into learning
Speaker 3: to play the piano the last couple of years, and
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of videos about piano, and some
Speaker 3: guys I like were doing an all time Greatest Pianist's
Speaker 3: list the other day. Who are the goats? Are you
Speaker 3: familiar that people now refer to goats as plural? It's
Speaker 3: a plural, It's not it's not. No, no, No, that
Speaker 3: doesn't work at all. Sorry, you're wrong. Apparently I'm wrong too.
Speaker 3: I've just become aware enough times. Now you name goats,
Speaker 3: these three are the goats, the greatest of all time? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't get it, but that's the way people refer
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: Think what Honestly, although that is silly, you know, grammatically speaking,
Speaker 2: I much prefer that who's the greatest guitar player? That's
Speaker 2: an idiotic question. So now you say, if you want
Speaker 2: to name a bunch of people are on the very
Speaker 2: top tier. Great, that's what people mean when they say goat.
Speaker 2: Now anyway, one of the goats was this Keith Jarrett
Speaker 2: piano player who I had heard of, but like I'd
Speaker 2: tried to listen to before and couldn't get into. Maybe
Speaker 2: I just wasn't ready for it yet. Sometimes that is
Speaker 2: the case with music.
Speaker 3: You're not ready for it yet for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 3: fairly complex. Is this like is this a new artist
Speaker 3: or is this no? OK, he's still alive. He doesn't
Speaker 3: perform anymore because he had some strokes and can't play
Speaker 3: the piano anymore, but he is considered among jazz musicians
Speaker 3: like one of the top rick Beato, the music producer,
Speaker 3: has got a YouTube video that millions of people have
Speaker 3: watched an interview with Keith Jarrett and calls him one
Speaker 3: of the great music composers of the last century at least.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just an absolute genius, and a genius
Speaker 3: in the fact that most of his famous albums are
Speaker 3: completely improvised. That was his thing. He walks into a
Speaker 3: stadium and the feel of the piano, the crowd, the room,
Speaker 3: the day, he just makes it up, you know, like
Speaker 3: four songs, oh he plays. And he even says that
Speaker 3: like if he has an idea, he discounts it. He
Speaker 3: doesn't want to have an idea before he goes out there.
Speaker 3: He just wants to feel at as he goes. And
Speaker 3: it's just okay, start you to hear some if that
Speaker 3: were me, So go ahead and start the song, Michael,
Speaker 3: because I'm going to talk about it over this. And
Speaker 3: so one of the recommendations I was looking up to
Speaker 3: some of the best Keith Jarrett stuff, and one of
Speaker 3: the recommendations was this song. It's from live Bordeaux concert Live.
Speaker 3: Most of his famous stuff is live, Like I said,
Speaker 3: all improvised, crank it up enough that we can hear.
Speaker 2: This is part one. Where does the singing start?
Speaker 3: There's no singing against instrumental. This is part three. There's
Speaker 3: just four parts. Like I said, he's improvising it. So
Speaker 3: he just does four songs ranging from four to fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes long, just however long he's feeling it. Crowd goes wild.
Speaker 3: If the crowd reacts poorly, he yells at them. It's
Speaker 3: a very touchy artists sort of person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you get off?
Speaker 3: There a drum solo? There's no drum solo, and you
Speaker 3: good crank it up because this is what's interesting. So
Speaker 3: I became obsessed with this song on Sundays after the Grammy's.
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, I became aware of it and I listened
Speaker 3: to the whole thing while I was walking the dog,
Speaker 3: and it hit me in a way like I don't
Speaker 3: remember the last time a song has hit me like this.
Speaker 3: And I probably listened to it ten times that night,
Speaker 3: including in bed with my headphones on while I was
Speaker 3: falling asleep, maybe ten times the next day in the rain.
Speaker 3: I send it to some people. It's just it affected
Speaker 3: me in so much in.
Speaker 2: Such a way.
Speaker 3: Now I'm getting to the punchline that you're gonna find
Speaker 3: quite hilarious.
Speaker 2: Oh boy on this song affecting me so much.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, this isn't really like even my sort
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so.
Speaker 3: And it gets slightly more complex. I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: very pretty sweet piano music. It's four minutes here, let
Speaker 3: me read this. So I started doing a little research
Speaker 3: on famous Keith Jarrett albums, and this album has four
Speaker 3: and five stars from all your big jazz magazines and
Speaker 3: top reviewer of all time and that sort of stuff,
Speaker 3: and particularly this song. Here's one of the reviews for
Speaker 3: this song from McSweeney's. It's one of the most respected
Speaker 3: jazz critics of all time. A note for divorced Dads
Speaker 3: on Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert Part three, And I thought,
Speaker 3: what what one would have a difficult time finding a
Speaker 3: musical composition that better suits the emotions of a recently
Speaker 3: divorced dad than Keith Jarrett's Bordeaux Concert Part three. If
Speaker 3: I happened upon a divorced dad driving around looking for
Speaker 3: coffee in his twenty eighteen Ford f one fifty or something,
Speaker 3: I would stop him and play it for him.
Speaker 2: It gives me.
Speaker 3: Goosebumps actually reading this. This is free key as a
Speaker 3: guy who drove a twenty fifteen for one fifty. The
Speaker 3: entirety of the piece is four minutes and four seconds.
Speaker 3: I cannot think of a reason why a recently divorced
Speaker 3: dad couldn't find that kind of time. Once the divorce,
Speaker 3: Dad and I have and understanding we would venture into it.
Speaker 3: The composition, it begins with the stable rolling chords that
Speaker 3: gently root the piece, drawing up imagery of a young
Speaker 3: couple holding hands in a tall grass. They're one entity.
Speaker 3: Is zeygeite of relationship. And it goes on and on
Speaker 3: like this through the whole relationship, falling in love, being
Speaker 3: in love, deciding to have kids, having kids, it becoming difficult,
Speaker 3: and falling apart, the divorce happening, you trying to raise
Speaker 3: your kids on your own. At the end of this song,
Speaker 3: and then he ends actually with now go pick up
Speaker 3: your kid from karate practice.
Speaker 2: Now this is freaking me out.
Speaker 3: Turn it out just a little bit, Michael, because now
Speaker 3: I think we're into the You realize you're divorced and
Speaker 3: you're raising your kids on your own.
Speaker 2: Part. Yes, I don't know, now did Keith Jarrett say
Speaker 2: any of this or this is just the reviewer figuring
Speaker 2: quote unquote figuring this out.
Speaker 3: This is one of the weenies. This is one of
Speaker 3: the most famous jazz reviewers of all time. That's the
Speaker 3: way he interpreted this music and me as a recently
Speaker 3: divorced dad laying in bed listening to it ten times
Speaker 3: in a row because it touched me in a way
Speaker 3: I can't remember music ever touching me. What the hell
Speaker 3: is that is weird? Well, it is weird. Holy smuff,
Speaker 3: I know, isn't that strange?
Speaker 2: Well, hey, you got anything for angsty empty nesters? I
Speaker 2: like to play golf? Yeah, yeah, Wow, Wow.
Speaker 3: What a trip.
Speaker 2: Isn't that strange? Though? Yeah, I mean that's that's beyond strange.
Speaker 2: That's uh does he ex well? I guess he kind
Speaker 2: of sort of explains why, but not no way that
Speaker 2: I would find terribly compelling if I came across it
Speaker 2: anywhere else in any other context. I think, well, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, there are a lot of, you know, trips
Speaker 2: people go through in their lives that maybe start like
Speaker 2: super exciting, promising, then get kind of rocky, and then
Speaker 2: you've just got to make the most of it and
Speaker 2: move on. I mean, there are a lot of things
Speaker 2: like that, but here.
Speaker 3: We are, well, they're also a million pieces of music
Speaker 3: that are kind of sweet but modling. But you know, whatever,
Speaker 3: the fact that this well known jazz critic picks out
Speaker 3: one of the most respected jazz pieces in history and
Speaker 3: assigns this particular meaning to it, and then I, not
Speaker 3: knowing that it'd be one thing if i'd read that first,
Speaker 3: but not knowing that at all, get pulled into this
Speaker 3: song in a way I don't. I don't remember the
Speaker 3: last time I've been pulled into a song where I
Speaker 3: listened to it that many times in a row, if ever,
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 4: It's amazing how different music works. That's how you felt
Speaker 4: with that, And I felt like I was on hold
Speaker 4: waiting for a prescription from like CVS.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I agree in any other context, I would have been
Speaker 3: the same way, and I probably would have listened to
Speaker 3: like a minute and thought for me and gone to
Speaker 3: the next song. And it makes me question my understanding
Speaker 3: of you know, abstract art and stuff like that. When
Speaker 3: I look at a piece of art in a walm thing,
Speaker 3: she's my three year old could do that. That doesn't
Speaker 3: mean anything because that music.
Speaker 2: See, I'm into that.
Speaker 3: Normally that kind of music, well, I agree with Hitler,
Speaker 3: it's it's a ruse, But that kind of music usually,
Speaker 3: I think is just kind of meandering, and I understand
Speaker 3: some people like it, but it's not really my bag.
Speaker 3: The fact that it had such a specific the fact
Speaker 3: that he even mentions a yes, okay, So here's here's
Speaker 3: the deal.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're we're sitting here, you know, rolling around in
Speaker 2: the wonder of it. We need to know more about this,
Speaker 2: this guru, this sage, this omniscient McSweeney person. What the
Speaker 2: hell's going on there? What sort of psychic witchery is
Speaker 2: is that?
Speaker 3: Does he have that ability with all songs in art?
Speaker 3: That painting over there, If your cat just got hit
Speaker 3: by a car, that's the perfect painting.
Speaker 2: As you're sitting there thinking of little Fluffy and admiring
Speaker 2: the brushstrokes, that's just freaky. Man.
Speaker 4: Man, Well, let me want to go find all of
Speaker 4: my favorite songs and read the reviews on it, just
Speaker 4: to see write anything lines up.
Speaker 3: One would have a difficult time finding a musical composition
Speaker 3: that better suits the emotions of a recently divorced dad.
Speaker 3: If I happened upon a divorced dad driving around looking
Speaker 3: for coffee in his twenty eighteen Ford F one to fifteen.
Speaker 2: And you're a coffee addict.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have done that as a I would stopping
Speaker 3: the year wrong, the hack and he left out going
Speaker 3: to get McDonald's on the way home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sure. That doesn't know anything.
Speaker 3: It's freaky man, laying in bed listening to it in
Speaker 3: my headphones in the dark, moved by music in a
Speaker 3: way maybe I never have been in my life weird.
Speaker 2: Now. I've been trying to think if there's anything that's
Speaker 2: been anything similar, any song or music similar to that,
Speaker 2: And all I can come up with is is I
Speaker 2: discovered an album several years after it was out by
Speaker 2: the band from Indiana called hound Mouth, and the song
Speaker 2: is my Cousin Greg, and the opening line is my
Speaker 2: cousin Greg is a greedy son of a bitch. And
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not sure what McSweeney would say about that.
Speaker 2: I have no cousin Greg who's a greedy son of
Speaker 2: a bitch, so obviously it's not that close a fit.
Speaker 2: That's freaky, So I don't know what I'm You gotta
Speaker 2: look more into this, McSweeney dude because he's a witch.
Speaker 3: Or following me around. Yeah, that'd be my guess. Although
Speaker 3: he wrote this years ago.
Speaker 2: Well right, that's weird, man, I know.
Speaker 3: That's why I brought it to the podcast. I just
Speaker 3: thought this is too effing freaky. Next time, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: show a slow saxophone solo that expresses the feelings of
Speaker 3: a man is broken TV and no extended warranty.
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Speaker 2: Turning to a new pole, gen Z doesn't want to
Speaker 2: go out to the bars and scream at each other
Speaker 2: over loud music or fifty thousand other people. It seems
Speaker 2: like sometimes having a conversations, they'd rather sit around at
Speaker 2: home and have a drink or two with their friends.
Speaker 3: Why did it take until gen Z to figure that out?
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't want to like over.
Speaker 2: I don't want to dominate the podcast because I'm a
Speaker 2: team player. But I have never even when I was
Speaker 2: young and slightly hip and somewhat popular. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to go to bars and yell at each other. You'll
Speaker 2: have crazy.
Speaker 3: You'll have to weigh in on this, Katie, because but
Speaker 3: my experience is I was out at the bars a
Speaker 3: lots of times. We're like at a quiet kind of
Speaker 3: bar and everybody talking to say, even o'clock.
Speaker 2: We got to go over to the where and.
Speaker 3: I think, why, we're having a perfectly good time here.
Speaker 3: We can hear each other, we're sitting. We're gonna go
Speaker 3: to some place where we're like shuffled around shoulder to shoulders,
Speaker 3: screaming at the top of our lungs, are not talking.
Speaker 2: Why go ahead, Katie.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I've I went through the phase of every
Speaker 4: weekend at the bars and all of that, and I
Speaker 4: did too for twenty two years.
Speaker 3: So hid for twenty two years.
Speaker 4: But it was it was a solid seven you know,
Speaker 4: and it got exhausting. Now when I go out to
Speaker 4: the bars, it's more of that environment where it's just chilling.
Speaker 3: It's very quiet, some music, but there's not a lot
Speaker 3: of yelling. No, I never never. When I was when
Speaker 3: I was twenty years old, the drinking age was eighteen.
Speaker 3: When I went to college, when I was.
Speaker 2: Twenty years old.
Speaker 3: I had no interest in going to the big throbbing
Speaker 3: club and yelling at the person next to me. Thank
Speaker 3: God for you.
Speaker 2: Refrain from saying big throbbing club if you can. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've just I've never had that in me. This golf
Speaker 2: club where I play golf mostly opened up a new
Speaker 2: bar and it's like quiet and classy and set up
Speaker 2: for like conversation areas where four to six people can
Speaker 2: sit and chat and have a drink and all in
Speaker 2: and Judy and I went there and we were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is perfect. And then we ran
Speaker 2: into some friends of ours who really aren't great people,
Speaker 2: but the dude was like, oh my god, did they
Speaker 2: waste that space?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I couldn't hate it off. Where are the TVs with
Speaker 2: the play by play going and the energy? We want energy?
Speaker 3: I want no energy, less energy.
Speaker 2: I'd bring no energy and I want none thrust upon me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and same way with restaurants. I hope gen Z
Speaker 3: kills loud restaurants. You know whenever. It was in the
Speaker 3: mid nineties that they decided to take all the baffling
Speaker 3: out of the ceilings and have it be open brick
Speaker 3: and pipes, so you can get as much sound reverberating
Speaker 3: as possible. So it's just deafeningly loud, and every clink
Speaker 3: of every glass and fork and the whole place echoes
Speaker 3: in your head. Who loves that?
Speaker 4: Or it's just acceptable to be obnoxiously allowed at the table,
Speaker 4: Like I remember when being in a restaurant, you know,
Speaker 4: you had manners and you had to be kind of
Speaker 4: quiet and polite, and then you've got tables next to
Speaker 4: you just screaming and having a pull blown party and
Speaker 4: it's normal now.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of being a team player, obviously we're a
Speaker 2: group of at least somewhat grumpy, somewhat introverted people. But
Speaker 2: some people obviously are energized by that. They like it.
Speaker 2: It gives them more energy. As they say about extroverts
Speaker 2: and introverts. Being around people energizes extroverts and it drains
Speaker 2: the energy from introverts, and it must be that way
Speaker 2: with like loud bars and restaurants and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Well, but are you arguing that the percentage of people
Speaker 3: that are introverts is higher among gen z or do
Speaker 3: they just wise up to why are we standing in
Speaker 3: this super loud bar? Interesting question, Good lord, I can't
Speaker 3: come close to answering it. Here are the stats.
Speaker 2: Let's see bubba A News finds the two and three
Speaker 2: gen z wine enthusiasts, So this people who'd rather drink
Speaker 2: wine for what that's worth. Two out of three out
Speaker 2: for the comfort of their homes when it comes to drinking,
Speaker 2: specifically home. Poll of two thousand American adults between twenty
Speaker 2: one and twenty six found those who enjoy wine, only
Speaker 2: twenty three percent would choose to go to a bar,
Speaker 2: and only eighteen percent would opt for drinking at some
Speaker 2: sort of live event. For gen Z wine enthusiasts, having
Speaker 2: a glass as an opportunity to be social as hanging
Speaker 2: out with friends tops the list of activities they prefer
Speaker 2: up partake in while drinking. But they'd really rather do
Speaker 2: it at home than out anywhere, maybe elause the cost
Speaker 2: of living so high for young people and they're trying
Speaker 2: to save money. That was the other thing, because, especially
Speaker 2: because I was pretty poor when I was young, is
Speaker 2: I could afford like a beer if we went out,
Speaker 2: I could have a couple at home. End of discussion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wasn't the right kind of bar. I liked
Speaker 3: the more like the more like people in boots bars
Speaker 3: because that's where I could sidle up to a table
Speaker 3: to girls and they wouldn't notice that I was drinking
Speaker 3: all their picture beer because I couldn't afford to buy beer.
Speaker 3: You're that guy, and well, girls oftentimes get pictures of beer.
Speaker 3: They aren't gonna drink them. They're not really drinkers. They
Speaker 3: just they needed to have it sitting there. It's kind
Speaker 3: of a prop. I'll take care of that for you. Wow,
Speaker 3: this is a rarity.
Speaker 2: The judges reporting a ten on resourcefulness, a ten on creepiness,
Speaker 2: and a ten on alcoholism.
Speaker 3: It's a rare triple ten, a perfect score.
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Speaker 2: What the heck happened? An expert weighs in. It's one
Speaker 2: more thing.
Speaker 3: Before we get to that.
Speaker 2: Two quick things.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 3: I just looked up at the the Twitter machine and
Speaker 3: there is something on there about young people in New
Speaker 3: York talking about how they all got punched in the
Speaker 3: face because of a recent TikTok challenge in which the
Speaker 3: thing was to just walk up and punch people in
Speaker 3: the face, and some of the morons do it. I
Speaker 3: want a TikTok challenge that is, it's the leave your parents' house,
Speaker 3: get a job and support yourself challenge, the follow the law,
Speaker 3: pay your taxes, and raise your kids right challenge. See
Speaker 3: if that catches on, It'll be waiting forever for that. God.
Speaker 3: I saw one the other day where there's a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of iterations of this of like, it's just abusing
Speaker 3: old people, scaring them basically, and.
Speaker 2: It's just horrific, harsh and draconian penalty act like somebody
Speaker 2: broke into the house for grandma and then and you
Speaker 2: know get her reaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's an old woman who thinks somebody broke
Speaker 3: into her home. That's why she reacted that way. Why
Speaker 3: is that funny, you freaking moron. You should be in
Speaker 3: jail just for this. You know, it's concerning the people
Speaker 3: who do that and the people who laugh at it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this one was a I guess this
Speaker 3: was a Jackass thing originally from the Jackass movie. I
Speaker 3: saw this on TikTok the other day. It was you
Speaker 3: push a stroller with a baby in it, a fake
Speaker 3: baby at toy the doll doll is the term fake billy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and bother shirt and the like, you know, the stroller
Speaker 3: you accidentally trip and push it into traffic in a
Speaker 3: car hits it or something like that, and then you
Speaker 3: got the reaction of people who are horrified that a
Speaker 3: baby just got ran over. Why is that funny?
Speaker 4: Or you get the people that run out into traffic
Speaker 4: trying to stop it. Right, there's another guy that's going
Speaker 4: he went viral the other day that was going through
Speaker 4: like walmarts and targets and going up to people that
Speaker 4: had full carts, families, I mean everything, and just pulling
Speaker 4: the cart and knocking it over and knocking this stuff
Speaker 4: everywhere and then running away for no reason at all
Speaker 4: than to be a dick.
Speaker 3: Right, And then their friends film that and put it
Speaker 3: on TikTok, and then people watch it and I think
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 2: I guess I I well.
Speaker 3: I had them with the algorithm. Is the more attention
Speaker 3: they get, they get paid. I'm glad you're young and
Speaker 3: complaining about this, because when Joe and I complain about this,
Speaker 3: we just sound like you know, old men about modern culture.
Speaker 3: But this is a change in society.
Speaker 2: Oh yees, yeah, well you're complaining about it. I'm even
Speaker 2: now sketching out my plan to form a vigilante group
Speaker 2: that's going to find these Internet scoundrels and hunt them
Speaker 2: down and give them some real world ass kickings.
Speaker 3: Oh I know what it was. So you take the
Speaker 3: car carrier thing that you put your baby in, like
Speaker 3: when you go into the grocery store, and then come
Speaker 3: back and snap it into the car seat. The person
Speaker 3: puts it on top of the car, It does some
Speaker 3: stuff and then drives off with on top of the car,
Speaker 3: and then you film the reactions of everybody freaking out
Speaker 3: that you drove off with your baby on top of
Speaker 3: your car.
Speaker 4: I do love it New York. There is a hashtag
Speaker 4: I punch back, and there.
Speaker 3: Are a series of videos of people I'll tell you what,
Speaker 3: you come and knock over my cart full of stuff
Speaker 3: with my kids there. I'm gonna have to fight myself
Speaker 3: to not tackle you. And we're rolling.
Speaker 2: Around and find out oh god, damn it. All right,
Speaker 2: Well this is troubling and disturbing in the world is
Speaker 2: ugly and full of evil anyway. So it turns out
Speaker 2: a giant cargo ship took out a bridge in Baltimore
Speaker 2: on the day that we are recording this podcast. The
Speaker 2: death toll is yet on unknown but at a terrible
Speaker 2: disaster and incredibly dramatic video as well. This posted at
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Giddy dot com Tuesday, March twenty sixth Anyway,
Speaker 2: got this note.
Speaker 3: From twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: Very good. I'm speaking to you from the Moon colony
Speaker 2: while Jack remains on Earth. Trump is in his fifteenth term. Finally, finally,
Speaker 2: one party rule, as we dreamed of secretly all those
Speaker 2: years we were talking about the Constitution. So Al the Mariner,
Speaker 2: we'll just call him Al anonymous. I don't think he'd mind,
Speaker 2: but does this sort of thing for a living, big
Speaker 2: ship shipping and has corresponded with us through the years
Speaker 2: whenever something in his realm comes up. And he's quite
Speaker 2: knowledgeable and appreciate the note. But I'll read you parts
Speaker 2: of his email to us. I watched this with my
Speaker 2: captain and cadet. I don't know what a cadet is.
Speaker 2: Apparently that's something on a ship, and from what we
Speaker 2: can tell, it looks like they lost the plant the
Speaker 2: ship's power and or propulsion and collided with the northern
Speaker 2: span of the bridge. Yeah, actually twice they lost power.
Speaker 2: She meaning the boat most definitely had at least a
Speaker 2: harbor pilot on board, and may even have had a
Speaker 2: docking pilot on board too. Harbor or bay pilots get
Speaker 2: the ship from the sea buoy to the port, and
Speaker 2: docking pilots park the ship. Driving a conning a ship
Speaker 2: or driving it isn't nearly as simple as most people
Speaker 2: think it is.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's simple. I mean it's probably really hard.
Speaker 2: Oh. I thought it was hard, and it's harder than
Speaker 2: I thought. This ship has a bow thruster one, so okay, whoo.
Speaker 2: I'm trying so hard not to laugh. I don't want
Speaker 2: to give him the encouragement.
Speaker 3: That was great, Jack, Thank you for that child. God,
Speaker 3: my child is right, my son who's twelve, and I
Speaker 3: don't think he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: Drop to. That's what she said on me the other day.
Speaker 3: Because it's popular in school, and I don't think they
Speaker 3: most of them know what they're really talking about.
Speaker 2: But I don't see that gives me hope for the
Speaker 2: next generation. It really does. Were they discussing China on
Speaker 2: the playground? Oh, boy. So the ship has a bow
Speaker 2: thruster just like Jack, one slow speed diesel engine, and
Speaker 2: one fixed pitch propeller. In order for most of these
Speaker 2: types of ships to reverse propulsion, the engineers first have
Speaker 2: to have to unclutch the shaft. I won't, I won't good,
Speaker 2: shut down the engine, stop the shaft from spinning, restart
Speaker 2: the engine backwards, and clutch in the shaft. These ships
Speaker 2: are built to run most of their lives going forward
Speaker 2: as efficiently as possible, so they are incredibly inefficient trying
Speaker 2: to make way a stern backing up. In a perfect world,
Speaker 2: it would take a few minutes to start backing down. Well,
Speaker 2: this isn't a perfect world.
Speaker 3: Wow, I didn't know they could start going backwards that fast.
Speaker 3: I figured it took longer than that, longer than what
Speaker 3: a few minutes.
Speaker 2: No, in a perfect world, it would take a few
Speaker 2: minutes to start backing down. But this is not a
Speaker 2: perfect world. With ships, you can't just put it in
Speaker 2: reverse first. You are trying to take off tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of laws long tons of momentum. It's a term
Speaker 2: I'm completely unfamiliar with. With the added delay of the
Speaker 2: plant going through its process of getting the stern bell going.
Speaker 2: So for the most part, mariners have to maneuver their
Speaker 2: way out of an open moment. If you don't have power,
Speaker 2: you can't move the hydraulics involved with the rudder to
Speaker 2: push your stern. Over most cargoes, vessel pivot point is
Speaker 2: a third of the ship's length from the bow to
Speaker 2: the so even if we are able to start a turn,
Speaker 2: the ship may still have hit the bridge on the
Speaker 2: side of the vessel like a glancing blow. Also, with
Speaker 2: a fixed pitch prop, you will back up the opposite
Speaker 2: side your screw pins. Oh back up to the opposite
Speaker 2: side your screwpins. For example, if your prop spins clockwise
Speaker 2: going forward, this is called the right handed propeller. Well,
Speaker 2: you're trying to back up, your stern will get pushed
Speaker 2: to the left. Then he goes into how the rudder works.
Speaker 2: But the point is it is a nightmare to maneuver
Speaker 2: these things, and you've got to be extremely good at
Speaker 2: it because there's so much energy, that much weight in motion.
Speaker 3: Well, I know you're seafaring people, Katie. Your dad has
Speaker 3: a boat and everything, But if you've ever driven a
Speaker 3: boat at all, you know how difficult it can be
Speaker 3: to you know, go a certain direction or stop from
Speaker 3: going a certain direction if you miscalculate.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and everything takes extra time. There is no
Speaker 4: immediate maneuver on anything on the water.
Speaker 3: And then so our Joe and I's friend Dave, who
Speaker 3: lives on a boat down San Diego. Last time I
Speaker 3: was with him, I guess it was last Friday, fourth
Speaker 3: of July. So we're on his boat and we come
Speaker 3: back and he lost motors. He lost one of his motors,
Speaker 3: so he lost the motor on one side, so he
Speaker 3: could only navigate one direction. And man, we ended up
Speaker 3: having a bad thing happen. But we were all on
Speaker 3: one side of boat trying to keep us from smashing
Speaker 3: into all these other boats and smashing his boat up
Speaker 3: against the poles because once you start drifting, and he
Speaker 3: got no motors, like that guy was talking about, if
Speaker 3: you've got no power, you're just going the direction you
Speaker 3: were going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know if you guys saw that
Speaker 4: video where it's sped up where you can see where
Speaker 4: this ship is heading towards the bridge.
Speaker 3: I mean the power goes out twice.
Speaker 4: So they're clearly having some big issues, let alone trying
Speaker 4: to maneuver this thing.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'll get to that in just a second,
Speaker 2: but he points out the description of how the rudder
Speaker 2: works that and anybody who has a boat knows this.
Speaker 2: You can't turn a boat that isn't moving right. It's
Speaker 2: got to be moving to turn, and if you need
Speaker 2: it to turn quickly, it needs to be going fast.
Speaker 3: If you've driven on snow or ice, you know this
Speaker 3: phenomenon also, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so they had that problem, and it takes
Speaker 2: a long damn time to move a ship like that significantly,
Speaker 2: especially at the speeds they were going. Then he says,
Speaker 2: all of that being said, the loss of power adds
Speaker 2: a massive delay to try to make any corrective action.
Speaker 2: In the video you can see the lights cut off
Speaker 2: and back on again. We timed it. It took well
Speaker 2: over a minute to get power back on. The regulations
Speaker 2: say that the emergency diesel generators should only take it
Speaker 2: most forty five seconds to store power to the emergency systems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that reminds me of the text we got that
Speaker 3: said I didn't know Boeing made ships now huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh. With this, you'll probably hear why didn't
Speaker 2: they just drop an anchor? Well, it doesn't work like
Speaker 2: that in the movie Battleship or Contraband. In order for
Speaker 2: the flukes of modern anchors to fetch up, you have
Speaker 2: to be going almost one knot. I had a captain
Speaker 2: tell me one time, never run aground with two anchors
Speaker 2: on board. They don't do. But it makes it looks
Speaker 2: like you tried everything. Oh okay, so that.
Speaker 3: Such just First of all, I didn't think of the
Speaker 3: anchor thing. If I'd thought of it, I would have
Speaker 3: said that myself. Why didn't they drop the anchor? But
Speaker 3: don't run aground without having dropped both anchors, or at
Speaker 3: least it looks like you tried.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Things like this can have a number of
Speaker 2: things go wrong, ranging from misjudgment from the pilot, of
Speaker 2: miscommunication between the pilot and captain, or a mistake in
Speaker 2: the engine room that caused a loss of power and
Speaker 2: or propulsion. Shoot, it could be all three. I highly
Speaker 2: recoon keeping an eye on the YouTube channel what is
Speaker 2: going on with shipping. The guy there does a great
Speaker 2: job at explaining maritime and navy stuff, and he'll break
Speaker 2: this down as soon as he has info.
Speaker 3: So these great big giant tanker ships that got all
Speaker 3: those containers on them and railroad cars and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: or trailers for semis. I mean that gives you the perspective.
Speaker 3: It's the only way you can get any perspective on
Speaker 3: these things. As they're sitting out in the ocean with
Speaker 3: nothing next to them. You look at those things and think,
Speaker 3: he's one of those is like a train car or
Speaker 3: a container or whatever it is. Yeah, and you think,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's a giant ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But remember so we were at a port in West
Speaker 3: Sacramento where they ship lots of rice in and out
Speaker 3: from around the world. Remember that guy telling us stories
Speaker 3: about those giant ships that come in and there aren't
Speaker 3: very many people on those ships, and how weird.
Speaker 2: They all were.
Speaker 3: Yes, that story, I do you've ever heard this, Katie before.
Speaker 3: But they're out there for months, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people that work on these ships are very strange people.
Speaker 3: Because you're somebody that wants to be on a ship
Speaker 3: with northern he human beings and like no entertainment or
Speaker 3: anything like that for months by yourself down in the
Speaker 3: dark of a ship's people.
Speaker 2: These guys, uh don't even have visus, so they can't
Speaker 2: come off the ship. So they'll dock in the US
Speaker 2: or dock in some port. That sounds interesting. They're not
Speaker 2: allowed to get off the ship.
Speaker 3: They just stay in their dark ship. Yeah, that special
Speaker 3: kind of personality for that job.
Speaker 2: Right, I was Frank, Right, wasn't that his name?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was super interesting though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And whenever I see those ships, that's what I
Speaker 3: think of. Now, got some really strange mole people living
Speaker 3: on that ship.
Speaker 2: Romanian mole people must not be allowed off.
Speaker 4: It comes out of my mouth every time we go
Speaker 4: on the boat with my family, because we'll go out
Speaker 4: of the estuary and we're down on the sea level
Speaker 4: looking up at those things, and I'm always like, how
Speaker 4: do those how do they float?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, there're you know, some terms
Speaker 2: are overused. They are quite literally breasttaking to sea from
Speaker 2: anywhere close to them.
Speaker 3: Well, they displaced more than the weight of the water
Speaker 3: technically is how they float. But that's hard to imagine
Speaker 3: that that even happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they what Oh.
Speaker 3: Keep your shaft oiled?
Speaker 2: Ya am right? An right? Wow? And a clip from shaft.
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Speaker 3: A couple of texts before we get to Joe. Why
Speaker 3: Joe hates Canadians.
Speaker 2: I do not hate Canadians. But that's what you said.
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't paying attention. I have to share this,
Speaker 3: says a texture. I took my six year old granddaughter
Speaker 3: to San Francisco. While we're walking to lunch, a group
Speaker 3: of men rode by in their bikes, absolutely naked. My
Speaker 3: granddaughter said, Nana, who is running this place out of
Speaker 3: the mouth of babes?
Speaker 2: Yep, oh wow.
Speaker 3: Sort of thing you will see in San Francisco, completely
Speaker 3: naked men on bicycles, And some people think that's wonderful
Speaker 3: for some reason, that that's like progress for some reason,
Speaker 3: I'll ever understand.
Speaker 2: A bunch of twist Tooids.
Speaker 3: Also mentioned at the end of the radio show on
Speaker 3: the twenty first that it was my birthday and for
Speaker 3: some reason, I've never cared less about my birthday than now.
Speaker 3: And I'm not exactly sure if it's wisdom and maturity
Speaker 3: or depression and I've lost the ability to enjoy life.
Speaker 3: But we did get this text your birthday. Everyone has one.
Speaker 3: You're not special.
Speaker 2: Geez, wow, thank you for that. All right, That's that's
Speaker 2: a person I really pity. Yeah, imagine being that unhappy.
Speaker 3: I just I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 3: When I see that sort of stuff on social media
Speaker 3: and you see a lot, it's always like, wow, first
Speaker 3: of all, Jack, happy birthday. Second of all that pero,
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has nothing to do with you, obviously, I
Speaker 2: know you know that Jack. No, no, no, no, boy,
Speaker 2: that's that's entirely about that person.
Speaker 3: When I come across that stuff on social media. Really,
Speaker 3: honest to God, the thing I think is I need
Speaker 3: to make sure my kids don't end up like that,
Speaker 3: to where they're so miserable at the with the lure
Speaker 3: lives that they have to strike out at anything that
Speaker 3: might be pleasant or happy for someone to get through
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus, it's so awful.
Speaker 4: Or someone that that maybe isn't so miserable that they
Speaker 4: do that, but does it for joy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know there are those.
Speaker 4: People that that, I mean, you see them all over
Speaker 4: the Internet that create these accounts just to troll people
Speaker 4: because they enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I've only known I've only I've only personally known two trolls,
Speaker 3: but they both had the same attitude. So I'm just
Speaker 3: assuming that that's kind of common among the troll community.
Speaker 3: They really get such enjoyment of there's somebody happy. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna try to take some of that. And it's just
Speaker 3: think it's so weird. I've never had that feeling. You know, somebody,
Speaker 3: somebody's a sickness, somebody got somebody got a new car,
Speaker 3: and I say, I heard they suck or just something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: What what is that like? Why? Well, as I've always said,
Speaker 2: people who are too dopey or lazy to build things,
Speaker 2: the only satisfaction they get is from breaking things. And
Speaker 2: again that's pathetic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the person who vandalizes the playground equipment.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same sort of thing.
Speaker 2: It's just awful. The only effect they will ever have
Speaker 2: on the world before they are dead is to break
Speaker 2: things and hurt people, So that's what they do. And
Speaker 2: and again it's it's just painfully pathetic. What is a
Speaker 2: birthday dinner for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I'm gonna go eat steak tonight and some
Speaker 3: sort of ill advised dessert. Be my guess, it's more
Speaker 3: from my kids than me. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: would even leave the house tonight if it birthday. Bang
Speaker 3: bang Oh boy, that sounds like a challenge. Steak five pushups,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the deal. A bang bang is back
Speaker 3: to back meals of completely different kinds. So what do
Speaker 3: I follow steak with pizza? Stop and get a pizza?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, steak is a dense, dense first blow.
Speaker 3: It's gonna leave a mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow. Following up steak something completely different, nice uh
Speaker 2: Ramen restaurant or something that's a little hipster for you.
Speaker 3: Maybe Italian though in the noodle the noodle realm.
Speaker 2: Well right, let's go Raman adjacent I like the spaghetti
Speaker 2: and meatballs. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I did an accidental bang bang with my brother when
Speaker 3: he was in town when I had cancer. We ate
Speaker 3: a pizza not knowing my wife was making dinner, and
Speaker 3: then we got home and she had made a big dinner,
Speaker 3: like a big homemade dinner because my brother was in town,
Speaker 3: and so you can't, you know, so she colums the
Speaker 3: word We had stuffed ourselves with pizza, but then brought
Speaker 3: it hard for that homemade dinner.
Speaker 2: Also, well, wait, a man up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I commend you for that. It's just the polite
Speaker 3: thing to this
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