WEBVTT - Wendy Suzuki: 2 Powerful Tools To Use When You Feel Stressed Out (This Will Lower Your Anxiety in 1 Minute) 

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<v Speaker 1>yours today. How much do we actually know about the

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<v Speaker 1>brain and its potential?

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<v Speaker 2>We have years of knowledge, but there is an enormous

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<v Speaker 2>amount that we still don't know. There are brain areas

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<v Speaker 2>we have no idea what they do. Every ping of

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<v Speaker 2>the phone is anxiety producing, which then launches her stress response,

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<v Speaker 2>and that keeps us stressful for way too much of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. So many people are appreciating at a higher

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<v Speaker 2>level stress and anxiety and depression. A little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>that is actually good for the brain. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>live a long, healthy, energized life, start paying attention to

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<v Speaker 2>all the things you need to do to make your

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<v Speaker 2>brain work beautifully. It defines everything that we do and

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<v Speaker 2>everything that we are. The number one Health and well

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<v Speaker 2>Iness Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay set Jay Sheddy, Wendy, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being him so grateful to have you on on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really looking forward to this and even just

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<v Speaker 1>the few words we've exchanged now I'm like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>click record asam. We need to capture all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. I'm thrilled to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's dive right in. Yeah, the first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you was how much do we actually

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<v Speaker 1>know about the brain and its potential?

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<v Speaker 2>That is such a great question. We have hours and

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<v Speaker 2>semesters and years of knowledge that we have gained about

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<v Speaker 2>the brain since we've seriously been studying it, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is an enormous amount that we still don't know. There

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<v Speaker 2>are brain areas we have no idea what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite is called the claustrum. Somebody asked me, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the most mysterious brain area that you know? Wendy, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a brain area that connects to everything cortically subcortically,

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<v Speaker 2>it should be integrating something critical. We have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what it does. We have little idea of how consciousness works.

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<v Speaker 2>We know a lot about vision. So it is a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful bag of information and mystery that our brain represents.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something about that, right that There's so much we've learned,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's so much yet to uncover. Yes, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel when we talk about the brain and what's relevant

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<v Speaker 1>to us, I think about what does a healthy and

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<v Speaker 1>unhealthy brain feel like? Yes, and how do we know

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<v Speaker 1>whether we have a healthy or unhealthy brain?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the answer to that is, so many

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<v Speaker 2>people are appreciating at a higher level their stress and

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety and depression. A little bit of that is actually

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<v Speaker 2>good for the brain. Chronic all the time can't get

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<v Speaker 2>out from under the cloud or the big rock around

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<v Speaker 2>your neck, that anxiety can feel like. That is not

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<v Speaker 2>good for your brain. High levels of stress overall will

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<v Speaker 2>start to first damage and then kill some neurons in

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<v Speaker 2>your brain. That is not good. So if you are

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<v Speaker 2>at that level, that is not good for your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>What about someone who says, and I'm sure you hear

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<v Speaker 1>this all the time, Wendy, Oh, you know, stress doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really affect me. You know, I can just keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really notice it. What would you say to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who says.

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<v Speaker 2>That, I would say I said that a lot to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I sat down to write my second book,

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<v Speaker 2>Good Anxiety, I realized how much stress and anxiety that

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<v Speaker 2>I was dealing with in my life. And also, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the key was there were simple tools that one

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<v Speaker 2>could use to address not all forms of your stress

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<v Speaker 2>and anxiety, but a lot of those forms of stress

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<v Speaker 2>and anxiety. And so the first step is awareness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so becoming aware. Why are we in denial about

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<v Speaker 1>our stress?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, well, I live in New York City. People

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<v Speaker 2>like to wear a badge of stress. Oh you know

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<v Speaker 2>you every time you answer how are you? Oh so

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<v Speaker 2>stressed out? So much to do? It's like a badge

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<v Speaker 2>of a badge of honor. So I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>becomes has become part of our individualistic society, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>not good. I mean, what you should be able to say,

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<v Speaker 2>at least a good chunk of the time is actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing well. I feel good, I feel energized. And

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<v Speaker 2>you don't hear that response all too often. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>not just in New York, but I think all over

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<v Speaker 2>the country and all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. No, I think you're so right. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people are used to saying surviving, Yes, just surviving,

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<v Speaker 1>just getting through this day. Yeah, I'm just moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why we're doing this episode, because

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<v Speaker 1>we want people to be able to turn around and say, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well, imnergizing. But it's almost like we carry

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<v Speaker 1>this guilt if we are about to say that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a feeling of like, oh, there's a feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>shame that I'm not working hard enough. Yes, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>going back the other way with the badge of honor,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a feeling of if I said, oh, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually doing okay, Yeah, that's me saying I'm not working

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<v Speaker 1>hard in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I've noticed that as well. I've noticed that in

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<v Speaker 2>myself and my colleagues. And it's about stepping back and realizing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think one of the most profound pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of advice that somebody gave me early on is making

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<v Speaker 2>me realize how important and how complex my brain was.

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<v Speaker 2>It defines everything that we do and everything that we are,

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<v Speaker 2>and making that work well should be high on our list.

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<v Speaker 2>Chronic stress and buying into that I'm busy all the

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<v Speaker 2>time culture is not conducive to brain health. So you

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<v Speaker 2>want to live a long, healthy, energized life, start paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention to all the things you need to do to

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<v Speaker 2>make your brain work beautifully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no matter how much you think you've got away

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<v Speaker 1>with it up until now, Yes, it's not good to

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<v Speaker 1>keep pushing that and testing, yes, how far the brain

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<v Speaker 1>can go exactly. Walk me through the difference between anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>and stress and why is it important to know the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>They are intertwined in a really complex way. So physiologically,

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<v Speaker 2>the stress response is enacted by the sympathetic nervous system,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all those feelings that we are very familiar with.

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<v Speaker 2>Increase heart rate, increased respiration rate, our eyes dilate, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a upset stomach because actually blood is rushing away from

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<v Speaker 2>our digestion and reproductive systems towards our muscles, because the

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<v Speaker 2>response is to get us ready to run away, to

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<v Speaker 2>physically flee. Now, anxiety is the emotion of fearing something

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<v Speaker 2>that is coming up in the future, that could that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't like, that that could harm us. In his essence,

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<v Speaker 2>it is protective. So you know, a woman three point

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<v Speaker 2>five million years ago, trying to protect your baby wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to use those feelings of anxiety to keep that baby

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<v Speaker 2>safe from those physical dangers that were there. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>is that in today's world, every ping of the phone

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<v Speaker 2>is anxiety producing, which then launches your stress response, and

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<v Speaker 2>that keeps us stressful for way too much of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>So the key, I think is learning how to turn

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<v Speaker 2>the volume down on those anxiety cues that then launch

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<v Speaker 2>stress and learning what they are for yourself, but also

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<v Speaker 2>using the tools of science to turn that volume down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a simple first step that everybody can take.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first thing that you can do is first realize,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, you know, how do we know we're stressed?

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<v Speaker 2>Self reflect for a moment. Am I am? I telling

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<v Speaker 2>everybody I'm stressed all the time? Do I not sleep

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<v Speaker 2>well because of stress? When you do that, there are

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<v Speaker 2>my number one and number two tools that I immediately go to,

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you've talked about this so many times

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<v Speaker 2>on your show. Number one, because it is immediate, is

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<v Speaker 2>deep breathing breath work. Why because breath work activates the

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<v Speaker 2>equal and opposite part of that sympathetic fight or flight system,

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<v Speaker 2>the parasympathetic system. I told you all the things that

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<v Speaker 2>stress activates, heart rate rays, respiration rays. You know you're

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<v Speaker 2>blood rushing. I can't control where my blood rushes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really control my heart rate, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>control exactly how deep and profound and frequent my breathing is.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why just deep breathing just two or three times,

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<v Speaker 2>can you know, tried out, It can really calm you down,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you practice it, it gets even more powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my tool. Go to number one, and it's number

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<v Speaker 2>one because if I'm getting anxious about this interview, could

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<v Speaker 2>actually do this in the background you don't even know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I can calm myself down even in the heat

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<v Speaker 2>of a This is not a stressful conversation at all,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm pretending that you know it could be. Number

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<v Speaker 2>two is moving your body, and so ten minutes of

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<v Speaker 2>walking outside or anywhere up and down the stairs, down

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<v Speaker 2>the hallway has been shown to decrease your anxiety and

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<v Speaker 2>stress levels. It's one of the fastest way that you

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<v Speaker 2>can use physical activity to address your stress and anxiety levels.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are my number one and number two go tos.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody can use. You don't even have to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Your clothes that first Roe. I'm so glad you brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up. And it's a practice I do still till

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<v Speaker 1>this day if I'm going on stage or if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing something that's anxiety and using And I think people

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<v Speaker 1>are always like, Jay, wait a minute, you experienced anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, of course I do it. Yeah, It's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of everyday life. And if I'm about to do

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<v Speaker 1>something that feels that way, I can not. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. But now that I've noticed that queue, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's easy for me to think, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I need to breathe in for a four

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<v Speaker 1>and breathe out for more than four, which is a pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, Are there any patterns that you suggest or

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<v Speaker 1>is it just deep breathing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the easiest is just deep you for three

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<v Speaker 2>or four counts in three, four counts out. But I

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<v Speaker 2>like box breathing, which I know you know about. Deep

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<v Speaker 2>breath in for four counts, hold at the top for

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<v Speaker 2>four counts, deep breath out for four counts, hold it

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom for four counts. It's funny every time

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<v Speaker 2>I even say that, and I often say that in

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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of interviews, I feel myself destressing as I

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<v Speaker 2>do that, because the muscle memory of when I do

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<v Speaker 2>do that comes in. But yes, it is such a

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<v Speaker 2>powerful technique that everybody can use.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do we spot our cues more closely? Because

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<v Speaker 1>so for a long time I used to say I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get stressed, And then I started to realize when

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually still, that all my stress was stored

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<v Speaker 1>in my body. So I wouldn't get stressed mentally, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't ex experience it in my mind, and I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>experience it in my chest or my heart. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I started to notice that my upper shoulders or my

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<v Speaker 1>neck is always tight. Yeah, And it took me a

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<v Speaker 1>while before I started to recognize that stress existed in

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<v Speaker 1>different ways as opposed to this idea of oh, well

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<v Speaker 1>it's not up here, so it doesn't exist. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we get closer to those cues? Because I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>two questions. One is how do we get closer to

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<v Speaker 1>our cues? And the second is when you feel that

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<v Speaker 1>cue or trigger, how do you remind yourself to breathe?

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<v Speaker 2>I think to get closer to your cues. The easiest

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<v Speaker 2>answer is to spend time in open awareness of your

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<v Speaker 2>own cues. And just as you said, and it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same for me, they don't suddenly appear on a list

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<v Speaker 2>in front of you. You have to go and seek

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<v Speaker 2>them out because for you, it wasn't in your head,

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<v Speaker 2>it was in your body. I'll never forget. Multiple times

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<v Speaker 2>I've had the experience of deep tissue massage in certain

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<v Speaker 2>places that triggered just crying in me and I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry, what's happening? They said, No, I've just touched

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<v Speaker 2>a point in your body that you store a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stress. You mean, like actually cry, actual physical crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't like I couldn't help it. And it's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It's happened just twice. But that was my very clear

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<v Speaker 2>cue that I also store a lot of stress and

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety in my own body. You have to go and

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<v Speaker 2>look for that, and you have to notice it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to remind yourself when you've been covering up

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<v Speaker 2>your own stress and anxiety, which I am also a

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<v Speaker 2>master of. It takes a little exploration, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that listening to others and and and actually asking a friend,

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<v Speaker 2>do you notice times when when you think I'm more

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<v Speaker 2>stress than others, and sometimes you might be surprised. That

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<v Speaker 2>might be a really good, you know, moment of realization.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then your second question was, once you realize

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<v Speaker 2>in this moment, how do you remind yourself to breathe?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a hard one and I think the best

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<v Speaker 2>way is don't wait until say, oh I'm anxious, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to breathe. But never having any practice with this breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>it is wonderful to take To take a class time

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<v Speaker 2>and go to a breath meditation class. You learn so

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<v Speaker 2>much because there is literally thousands of years of breath

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<v Speaker 2>work technique to learn. And I've been exploring that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't have to get super fancy. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>just about you said you like the inhale and exhale

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<v Speaker 2>for a longer time. That is a very basic but

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<v Speaker 2>powerful one. Explore that on YouTube. There are thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>free meditations you can do that. I always send people

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<v Speaker 2>there practice it, see which ones you like. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 2>too long of a hold for people, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to find the one that you like, practice, get it

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with yourself, and then it'll be easier to call

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<v Speaker 2>it up when you do notice that moment coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, I think I think that's great. At

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<v Speaker 1>what advice it's you can't have something help you. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like I remember being at school and they'd always

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<v Speaker 1>train you with what happens if there was a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're training when there isn't a fire, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like, hey, when there's a fire, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to walk through this door, you're going to line up outside,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to do this. And it's almost like we

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<v Speaker 1>need that yes for when the fires appear in our

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<v Speaker 1>mind exactly, and you've got to do the routine before

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<v Speaker 1>it happens in reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And if you do, do it, really think about

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<v Speaker 2>how that made you feel. Do you feel that difference?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's important to keep exploring how different things make

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<v Speaker 2>you feel. Because maybe you chose just a bum breath technique.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work for you, and there are those that

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<v Speaker 2>you know just won't hack it for you, So try

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<v Speaker 2>other things, but stay aware. And that practice of self

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<v Speaker 2>awareness I think is so important for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's actually happening to the brain when we

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<v Speaker 1>ignore anxiety and stress for a long periods of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Stress very physiologically releases stress hormone cortisol. Cortisol goes through

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<v Speaker 2>the blood brain barrier, goes into the brain. And the

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<v Speaker 2>danger is that there are key brain areas that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to keep healthy and thriving and growing throughout your

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<v Speaker 2>life that high levels of consistent cortisol will damage and

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually kill cells. And the first brain area I'll

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<v Speaker 2>focus on is called the hippocampus, critical for memory function,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we know that long term stress. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>people with PTSD monkeys that have low rank in the

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<v Speaker 2>pecking order male monkeys have tiny little hippocampi because those

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<v Speaker 2>cells have gotten damage and then died, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>not good. We need what I like to call a big, fat,

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<v Speaker 2>fluffy hippa campus for the rest of our lives. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the area that first gets attacked in Alzheimer's disease,

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to keep that beautiful and healthy. The

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<v Speaker 2>other brain area that is attacked in stress is your

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<v Speaker 2>prefrontal cortex, critical for decision making, being able to shift

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<v Speaker 2>and focus your attention. And so you are starting to

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<v Speaker 2>damage two key areas you know. I lead nine thousand

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<v Speaker 2>students The two brain areas I want to work best

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<v Speaker 2>in these students are the hippocampus and the prefrontal cortex.

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<v Speaker 2>And it kills me that during finals, all that stress

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<v Speaker 2>that comes off is damaging their ability to show us

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<v Speaker 2>all the beautiful knowledge that they learn. Of course, not

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<v Speaker 2>just my students, but all students around the world. How

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<v Speaker 2>how can we destress that process and thereby help learning,

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<v Speaker 2>help help re call, help their professors know what they

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<v Speaker 2>do understand about the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what what are our daily activities that are damaging

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<v Speaker 1>the hippocampus and the prefrontal cortex.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it is that every day stress. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the anxiety provoked by scary news that we read every

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<v Speaker 2>single day, by social media. And here I'm thinking about younger,

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<v Speaker 2>younger people well known how much it damages self esteem

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<v Speaker 2>to spend too much time on social media, all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know these stressors in our lives. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually hard to put the newspaper down. It's hard, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to put the phone down. But that could

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<v Speaker 2>be such a game changer for both adults and children.

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<v Speaker 2>And you just ask, well, what am I going to

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<v Speaker 2>do have a conversation with the real person, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what I always try and push people to do. That

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<v Speaker 2>is such a joy and a privilege in our lives

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've really found also that if we can just find

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<v Speaker 1>a gap between when you wake up and when you

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<v Speaker 1>pick up your phone, it just rewires the brain. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have to think about it, yeah, physically

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes. Okay, Well, if I don't put my

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<v Speaker 1>brain in this noise in the morning, just as I

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<v Speaker 1>would never wake up to like volume one hundred on

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<v Speaker 1>any song or whatever it may be, if I just

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<v Speaker 1>allow my brain some time to like speed up naturally

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<v Speaker 1>and catch up with the pace of the day, then

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<v Speaker 1>actually I'll be better at doing everything else rather than

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<v Speaker 1>when I rush my brain from zero to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>miles per hour with fifty emails and thirty notifications, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>expecting so much of my brain, and no wonder I'm

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out immediately because my brain's trying to compute and formulate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's like if your partner turned to you

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning and said I want to have a

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<v Speaker 1>really deep discussion about life. Yeah first in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you'd be like, well, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>can handle that right now. Yeah, and it's shocking to

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<v Speaker 1>me how many of us are putting ourselves in stress

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<v Speaker 1>by looking at our phones first thing in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I have a morning routine that I've come to love,

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<v Speaker 2>which is about a forty five minute meditation when I

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<v Speaker 2>first wake up. So that's the first thing that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do a tea meditation, which is meditation over

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<v Speaker 2>the brewing and drinking of tea, because not tea bag tea,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, loose leaf tea where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>seep it for a certain amount of time or else

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't taste its best, and then you pour it

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<v Speaker 2>and then you drink it and then you re seep it.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, that ritual really keeps me in meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do I mean by meditation Just I do

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<v Speaker 2>body scans. I have prayers that I go through every morning,

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<v Speaker 2>which is I think, the antithesis of looking at your email.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I do a thirty minute workout, which is

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<v Speaker 2>I do it online, So I do open my computer,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not, you know, looking at the newspaper at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time I'm doing my workout. I'm focused on

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<v Speaker 2>that workout, and that really prepares me for the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I miss either one of those, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>it the rest of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, I love hearing that. How long have you

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<v Speaker 1>done that for?

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<v Speaker 2>I've done the meditation for nine years straight and I've

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<v Speaker 2>missed only a few days when I have those four

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<v Speaker 2>am you have to get on the cab at four

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<v Speaker 2>am to get to the airport and exercise I've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing for even longer. I've gone through lots of habits

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<v Speaker 2>with my exercise, but having the morning habit and really

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<v Speaker 2>forcing myself, not forcing, it's a habit, having the habit

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<v Speaker 2>of even when I only have five minutes I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of you know, stretch or something for that

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes every single day and feel good about that

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to my good thirty minute cardio strength workout

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<v Speaker 2>where I really sweat. So, I mean, I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>both talking about the habits that we choose for ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>that improve our mental health, strengthen our brain. This is

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<v Speaker 2>so important to choose for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I think the point is you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>so much more out of your day and your brain. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think often we think, well if I skip that,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be like this with my wife. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who kept drilling into me how important

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<v Speaker 1>physical activity was. Yeah, And I was just like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, and she was like, imagine how alert you'll be,

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine how focused you will be. And I didn't believe her.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I started to do it, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's right, and it's such an interesting thing. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>easy to think I'll accomplish more if I don't make

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<v Speaker 1>time for meditation, breath work and working out, But you won't.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll actually accomplish less.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you found is that does a science

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<v Speaker 1>show that too?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the science shows that exercise improves your mood,

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<v Speaker 2>it improves your ability to shift and focus your attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Long term, it will improve your memory. And so compared

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<v Speaker 2>to subjects or you know, animal subjects that don't do exercise,

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<v Speaker 2>there is better brain function in those people that are exercising. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the science is behind it. And there's beautiful science in

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<v Speaker 2>meditation showing that there are brain areas that are enhanced

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<v Speaker 2>with in months. For example, that's going way. I'm never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a monk. But the active meditation is

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<v Speaker 2>a act of learning how to focus better, so that

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<v Speaker 2>I could focus on your questions and not be distracted

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<v Speaker 2>by whatever is going on on the outside. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a nice quiet room, but sometimes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I live in New York, We're on the subway and

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much noise, and when you practice the meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>you realize how powerful that is for your life, that

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<v Speaker 2>I could choose to focus on you. That's all I'm

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<v Speaker 2>focused on. I'm listening to you deeply, I'm thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>it deeply, And that is an experience that not enough

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<v Speaker 2>of us are having on a very regular basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why does it feel like when we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do that? It almost feels like it hut right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when someone's really trying to focus, it's like you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the energy. And people can feel like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so tiring, where it's exhausting to be present and

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<v Speaker 1>it almost feels like you're having to pull yourself in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain direction, but there's some tension and resistance back.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we experiencing? What's going on? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of that is our lives have been

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<v Speaker 2>focused on getting pulled in ten different directions at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time. We get used to that, and so no,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't focus on you for a whole hour because

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<v Speaker 2>I have thirty other things that I usually get pulled into.

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<v Speaker 2>And that becomes your habit. If that is your habit,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need to rethink that. And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>muscle that you build. I remember my undergraduate IT advisor,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman who made me want to become a neuroscientist.

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<v Speaker 2>She used to say that new learning, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>new habit that you're learning, will hurt. It'll make your

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<v Speaker 2>brain hurt because it's those dendrites that are growing and

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<v Speaker 2>stretching out and making new connections. It's not an easy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a metabolic load. It is an effort to build

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<v Speaker 2>new pathways. But that's what we're doing when we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to focus and connect for longer periods of time than

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<v Speaker 2>we were used to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's okay if it hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, it's supposed to hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's almost like you're walking through a path that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist yet, yes, and so you're having to pave

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<v Speaker 1>that way exactly. You're the first person walking in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing ahead of you. You're chopping down the trees

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<v Speaker 1>and leaves in front of you. You're building the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>the pathway. Yes, and that's why it hurts. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting when you think about it that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you go, oh, okay, So every time I walk over

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<v Speaker 1>that bridge, it will become stronger, yes, And every time

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<v Speaker 1>I step on that step path becomes clearer, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be easier for me every time. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's fascinating to me just how everything that's good

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<v Speaker 1>for you seems hard and everything that's bad for you

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<v Speaker 1>seems easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, I think at the certain at a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point of the journey, that is absolutely the case. But

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>at a different point of the journey, when you've when

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you've you know, cut down those trees with your machete,

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>it feels glorious to be able to have these deep

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with your friends and build that habit with your

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>friends and your loved ones, and build that habit of

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<v Speaker 2>first thing in the morning, no no phone, and meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know how much better you're going to feel.

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<v Speaker 2>And that that is the part of the gratitude. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a gratitude practice. It is that it is

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<v Speaker 2>like being grateful for all those good habits that I

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<v Speaker 2>have been forming and throwing those away that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>and being grateful that I threw that away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I talked a lot about going back to your

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<v Speaker 1>point around Monk's Brains. I talked a lot about the

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<v Speaker 1>science be Monk's Brains in my first book, Think Like

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<v Speaker 1>a Monk. And I remember a simple practice that we

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<v Speaker 1>used to do when I lived as a month that

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<v Speaker 1>was really helpful to me. So we would often meditate

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<v Speaker 1>on beads, and we were always told because we'd be

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<v Speaker 1>meditating on those beads sometimes for two hours at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>four hours at a time, even more. And so we

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 1>were always told, when you hear the word two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like, God, how am I going to get

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<v Speaker 1>through two hours? And we're always told, just focus on

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<v Speaker 1>one bead at a time, one mantra at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>just one at a time, And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it became so much easier where it was just like,

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 1>it's just about this bead, it's just about this mantra,

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just about this step, it's not about two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think sometimes when we're thinking, oh gosh, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to build this new habit, I've got to work

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<v Speaker 1>out five days a week, and I've got to it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that just feels so insurmountable. Why does the brain

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<v Speaker 1>work better with small steps and habits and changes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great question. I think that it is

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<v Speaker 2>part of the effort that goes into something new, the

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<v Speaker 2>novelty of praying on a single bead and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fighting away that instacts like, oh I didn't get through

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.959
<v Speaker 2>one hundred beads, I'm a failure. That's a lot of

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>cognitive noise. And I always say for exercise and meditation,

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<v Speaker 2>those those two things that could immediately decrease your stress

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and anxiety levels. It's great. In fact, I tell you,

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I tell everybody to start small. Ten minutes of walking.

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't even have to change your clothes or your shoes,

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>just a minute of deep breathing, just put your phone on,

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, just the clock and just so you know

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 2>how much that minute is. And just doing that is

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>is good enough. And the effort comes in batting away

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 2>all those feelings of failure and the difference between your

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<v Speaker 2>one minute and ten hours that you really wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, what's the difference between everyday anxiety and then having

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<v Speaker 1>an anxiety disorder?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Anxiety is a normal human emotion. Everybody has anxiety.

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's been kind of clinicalized. Oh I have anxiety. Yeah,

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody has anxiety. But anxiety exists on a very very

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>large spectrum. So we all have anxiety, and yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>highest levels of anxiety that prevent you from doing the

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<v Speaker 2>everyday things that you need to do in your life

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<v Speaker 2>and having a job and having relationships and going out

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and doing things. That's clinical and it is just kind

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>of going down that rabbit hole of anxiety and needing

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>more help, clinical help to get you out with cognitive

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>behavioral therapy, so many different techniques that you could use.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all part of a spectrum, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that makes people feel better because you can

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<v Speaker 2>come back. Everybody has it. Let's just pull you back

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<v Speaker 2>from that highest level and let you take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things I love the most

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<v Speaker 2>from my book Good Anxiety is that it's not about

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety so bad. Let me just tell you the tools

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of it in your life. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the acknowledgment that anxiety is a protective mechanism. My invitation is,

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<v Speaker 2>can I invite you to try and use your anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>to help protect you, to actually give you some gifts

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<v Speaker 2>or superpowers, because there's a lot that we can learn

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<v Speaker 2>from our anxiety and all our uncomfortable emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when people hear that, they may think, oh,

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that's cool, but I don't believe it, Like, how could

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that anxiety can be my superpower?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Make that switch from going I'm scared, yeah too, actually unprepared?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. So I start with I think the easiest

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 2>to implement. So this one is the superpower of productivity

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that comes from a very common form of anxiety that

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody has, which is the to do list that comes

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<v Speaker 2>up at opportune times like oh you get overwhelmed. For me,

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>it comes up right before I'm going to go to sleep,

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>and so it prevents me from going to sleep, so annoying.

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 2>And so the flip for that is to take the

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<v Speaker 2>to do list, and first I want you to notice

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<v Speaker 2>that all of these things are things that you care

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.959
<v Speaker 2>about doing well. They're usually about your job, or your

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>relationship or money, money, things, all good to be concerned

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>about them. The trick is to take that what if

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<v Speaker 2>list and turn it into a to do list and

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<v Speaker 2>so for me, I don't do it in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night. I wait till the next morning. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've trained myself that I'm going to take care of

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0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>there is an issue at work, I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to three people about it and try and get input

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<v Speaker 2>for that. There's something active that you can do for

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of your worries, and the more people

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<v Speaker 1>really like that. And one thing that's really helped me

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<v Speaker 1>is I always look at my anxiety as revealing to

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<v Speaker 1>me a skill I haven't yet developed. Yes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really believe that it's like it's a muscle that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to develop. So I go, Okay, if I'm anxious

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<v Speaker 1>about going to this event and having to do small talk,

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>it's because I haven't built the skill to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do small talk. So maybe if I read a book,

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 1>or I spoke to someone, or I sat down with

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>an expert, or I listened to a podcast with an

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>expert on how to have good conversations, all of a sudden,

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>now I know what questions to ask, and at least

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>it makes me feel comfortable. Or if a I'm nervous

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that I've been asked to do something

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<v Speaker 1>at work and I know nothing about it, Hey, let

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>me go and take a course on it or a

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>class on it. And I feel I always look at

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>anxiety as just a sign of what's a skill I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have, quality, I haven't developed, an ability, or a

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>priority I haven't made, and now let me do that.

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>It could be the skill of having tough conversations, the

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>skill of learning to say no, the skill of setting boundaries,

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. It's just this one skill away,

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>not that I won't feel that anxiety ever again, but

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<v Speaker 1>that I can actually better manage that anxiety when it arrives.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. I love that because you've just created a new

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>superpower of anxiety, which is the love of learning. So

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>can you turn your anxieties into the next learning project

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>that you have and then get better at small talk

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you're anxious about. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, it's the only thing that's ever helped me

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>for so many years subconsciously. I just I've always experienced anxiety,

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>but I've found that it just got less and less

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and less as my skills developed. Yeah yeah, And developing

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>those skills was hard, and that took time and effort

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't easy. But as those skills grew, now

0:35:37.239 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 1>it was just like, oh, I can manage this. I

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 1>know I can deal with this. And of course there

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>are always going to be things that surprise you and

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>then you go, oh god, I have no skills for

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this one. And that's okay too. But even if the

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>skill is resilient, or even if the skill is learning

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to develop how to deal with grief, I feel these

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>are all skills and muscles and if they looked to

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that way, we can deal with them better.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean, those anxieties are really telling you what

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 2>you hold dear in your life. I think, wow, that

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>sounds good. I want to know what I hold dear

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>in my life because the flip side of your anxiety,

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and the flip side of grief is deep love. And

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>so I think that all of these more difficult emotions,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 2>when seen in that light, can be embraced in a

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>new way instead of trying to kick them out the

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>door and never experience them again. That that is not

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a full life if you don't have grief, because it

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>suggests you didn't have that deep love that turns into

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>grief when something goes away. Not that I'm wishing people grief,

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 2>but that helped me so much in my periods of

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 2>grief to realize that that grief would never be so

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 2>deep that I could never even imagine it before it happened,

0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 2>unless unless the love for those people were were so

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>deep in the first place. And it's like, Wow, I

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>loved them more than I even realized, which was a

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>gift to realize that and pulled me out of my grief.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's so beautiful. Could you share more on that

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>from real perspective, how you actually got to that realization,

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>How was it before you felt that way?

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<v Speaker 2>So that realization really really defined the way I wrote

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 2>this book Good Anxiety, because I started the book before

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 2>these events, and it was going to be a neuroscience

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.800
<v Speaker 2>based book on anxiety, and I was going to explain

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>the science of it so everybody could understand. And it

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>was going forward in an exciting way. And then my

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 2>father passed away, and he was eighty five, and he

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 2>had dementia and he had a sudden heart attack, and

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 2>it was just so so sad, and I remember being

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 2>so grateful that my brother did the eulogy, because that

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 2>has been my biggest fear in life, to have to

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>do eulogy and have to stand up and talk about

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody who's just passed without your crying uncontrollably. He did

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>such a beautiful job. But the next traggy tragedy was

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 2>that three months later, my brother, who's two years younger,

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 2>also passed away of a heart attack. Suddenly. He was

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the most fit person and that you would ever know.

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>And that was devastating to lose both of them of

0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 2>the same thing within three months. And I was trying

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:40.399
<v Speaker 2>to go through it, and I stopped writing the book

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 2>because I couldn't because I was grieving. Then I realized

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I had to. I had to do his eulogy because

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>there was nobody else left. It was it was only me. Uh,

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and so a lot of soul searching what am I

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>going to say? How am I going to get through this?

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>And it was in that search that I realized that

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 2>that grief was coming from a good place, and it

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>actually was inspired by a workout that it was doing,

0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>where the instructor said and trying to get us to

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 2>work out harder. She said, with great pain comes great wisdom.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, my god, that's what I

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>need to know right at this moment. What is the

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>wisdom that's coming from this huge pain that I've never

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:33.879
<v Speaker 2>felt before? And I realized that the wisdom was that

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 2>the deep grief was showing me how much I love them.

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And so it was still hardest thing I've ever done

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to write this eulogy and stand up, but I basically

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>invited everybody to cry along with me at the one

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 2>point that was hardest to get through, and I got

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>through with that way. But it allowed me to approach

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>grief in a very different way, and I want to

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>say I'm almost thankful for that experience because it made

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 2>me search for the beauty that comes from the pain

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 2>in our lives in a brand new way.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for sharing that, And I'm so

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>sorry for that period in your life. I can't imagine

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>how Yeah, how challenging and stressful that is talking about

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>stress and anxiety. Yeah, and I really appreciate how you

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>connect to the dots for us, because it's one thing.

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're this incredible researcher, professor, you have so

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 1>much amazing insight, but then to apply it in real

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>life in extreme cases, it is so hard. What did

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>you learn about the brain when going through that that

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know already?

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I learned that my brain was more resilient, to more

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>resilient than I thought it was. I expanded the range

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of my emotions that I had experienced in my life,

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 2>which is a good thing. I think that relativism is beautiful.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>That dark feeling of deep grief helps me appreciate the

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>joyous moments better. And I think about that a lot

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>after this has happened. It really that was part of

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>the gift that I got. And yes, and it changed

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the way I looked at because then I did the eulogy.

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 2>I came out of it. I was feeling better. Okay.

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I to go back to this book on anxiety, but

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't write it in the same way anymore. I

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>had to find the gifts or the superpowers that came

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>from anxiety, which I've already shared that with you, But

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the reason why I never would have I don't

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 2>know what the gifts are. Well, I did learn not trick.

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I learned that lesson through through that experience, and I

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 2>applied it to the emotion of anxiety, and I think

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.240
<v Speaker 2>it changed the book. Well I know it changed the book.

0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I wrote it in a completely different way and I've

0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>used those lessons in a different way in my life

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>since that experience.

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Wonderful And what did you know about the brain already

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>at the time that helped you get through it?

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as a nerdy neuroscience and neuroscientists, I know all

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 2>about the mechanisms and the receptors involved in stress. And

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 2>not that I studied grief per se, but grief is

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>one you know, it gives you a lot of stress

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>when you have grief. I think my whole life has

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>helped me bring my more academic study of neuroscience to life.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>There is the lessons that I could teach and that

0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.959
<v Speaker 2>I do teach to students about what we know about

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the stress system, the memory system, your prefrontal cortex, decision making,

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 2>all these fascinating topics. But then there is life that

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.800
<v Speaker 2>comes in, and I think that what I've been doing

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>more recently in my career. I did a very traditional

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>academic career up to a certain point, and then I

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>started to try and apply kind of life's lessons to neuroscience.

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 2>And so what does that mean? That means going off

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:37.839
<v Speaker 2>book and thinking about, you know, other ways to convey anxiety,

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 2>not just the clinical part, but the useful part for

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>your life. So that's how I wud describe it absolutely.

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 1>How do traumatic events like that what you went through

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>over a period of three months? And I know so

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>many friends have been through similar things and different things

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that man maybe are not to do with grief in

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.399
<v Speaker 1>that way, but even grief of a life you could

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>have had if you've had breakups. How does emotional trauma

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.399
<v Speaker 1>actually affect the brain? What's going on?

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know emotional trauma. Also there's a relatively

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>simple formula with what happens, which is going back to

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the stress hormone cortisol. Depending on the actual stressor and

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the duration of that, it is going to first kind

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>of alert your brains. Like I don't want to listen

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 2>to happen again. It's like, this will not happen again.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's what it was supposed to do. It's supposed

0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to heighten your senses so you can escape from the

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 2>burning building. However, in these other life circumstances a breakup

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>or death that you know, the emotional effects linger for

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a long time. They might actually cause what's called fear

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 2>memories to develop. These are memories dependent on a structure

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 2>called the amygdala that again are trying to protect you, like,

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 2>don't have this happen again, and steer you away from events.

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 2>So I might have been steered away from eulogies or

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>speaking in front of crowds, which I do all the time,

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I would have been steered away from eulogies.

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>When you have these broader realizations about what's going on,

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you could actually learn in a deeper way from them,

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.319
<v Speaker 2>and instead of being steered away, instead of developing a

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 2>fear memory that is very strong and hard to get

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 2>rid of, you can have a deeper learning that sharing

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>those very personal, very deep, very difficult emotions to feel.

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Talk about new synapses forming is a deeply cathartic process

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>that brought me closer to my family and to everybody

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 2>that was there footing, all my brother's friends, many of

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>whom I didn't know.

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, Is it possible to prepare for future

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>trauma or is the only way to be prepared for

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>it to go through it. Can we build resilience before

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a traumatic event?

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think I wouldn't recommend that everybody goes out

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>to try and prepare for trauma. But but you know,

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>everybody has some form of trauma. And I think going

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 2>back to your superpower of anxiety and learning learning from

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 2>that and also realizing this was another big realization for me.

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to get rid of that deep negative emotion.

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>It's there for a reason to warn you against this

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.720
<v Speaker 2>is a bad time. If you didn't have this warning,

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you would be walking in the middle of the freeway

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 2>with no care in the world. So you're not going

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of that. But to focus yourself on

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the learning that comes out of it and that yes,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>it might take some time, and to give yourself that time.

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe what I'm trying to get at is a self

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 2>compassion that can come from any trauma that you have,

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 2>and learning to apply that to yourself I think is

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>a really good thing that you can prepare. Yeah.

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I think when you lose someone you love, that painful

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 1>feeling inside is a reminder that life is sacred. Yes,

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 1>that you should tell the people that are close to

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you that you love them, that you should really value

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and prioritize time together and moments together. It's a reminder

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that pains just pushing you in the right direction, nudging

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>in the right direction to say, don't make the wrong priorities,

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.240
<v Speaker 1>don't set the wrong focuses in your life.

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:01.280
<v Speaker 1>And if it went away, as it does, we also

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>forget that as the distance grows from when you've lost

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>someone and the distance from that pain, it's not that

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>pain goes away, but it gets less and less and less,

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>we also forget that. Yeah, and then all of a

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>sudden something else happens again, and we've read prioritized, right,

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 1>does it? Yeah?

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Why do we forget lessons that we learn?

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, if I could answer that, that would be that

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 2>would be the sixty four million dollar question. And actually

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:34.479
<v Speaker 2>part of the answer is the brain evolved to help

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 2>us remember those lessons around dangerous situations that we have,

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 2>so we don't go in that direction anymore. Yes, we

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 2>might forget, but actually our brain is has evolved to

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 2>make those kinds of fear memories or difficulty memories the

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 2>hardest to get rid of. That is why PTSD is

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.240
<v Speaker 2>so hard to get rid of, and those you don't

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 2>want to be carrying around. So I would ask a

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:08.839
<v Speaker 2>flip question, which is how come we don't relive our

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>most glorious memories more often than our lives. And in fact,

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I think of that because that is my favorite brain

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.759
<v Speaker 2>hack from good anxiety, which are tools that you can

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 2>use to decrease your anxiety. And this tool is called

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 2>joy conditioning, and it is designed to specifically to counter

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>fear conditioning dependent on the amigla. Joy conditioning is dependent

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 2>on another structure called the hippocampus, which allows us to

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:42.080
<v Speaker 2>form and routaine our everyday memories for events. And so

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 2>joy conditioning is simply using all the tools that we

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 2>know about neuroscience that make those kinds of memories stick,

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:52.320
<v Speaker 2>which is reliving them. I just went on a beautiful

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>week long yoga breath work it was actually not yoga

0:49:56.000 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 2>breath work retreat, and I completely unplug rugged and so

0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:05.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm practicing my joy conditioning on is what it

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.440
<v Speaker 2>felt to be in that circle every day, every morning,

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>every afternoon. I remember that the ocean was so loud.

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>We're right by the sea. The heat was so hot.

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 2>The food or the fruits were so amazing, just the

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>flavor of the fruits. And those are the things that

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 2>that that rea vivification of the what where, why? When

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 2>the taste, the smells, the sounds, that's what strengthens the memory.

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I am strengthening this joyous memory and I do that consciously,

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and I invite everybody to do this to kind of

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 2>counteract all those negative memories that are hard to get

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 2>rid of. Let's let's fill our brains with all the

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>most joyous, funny, fun memories of our lives.

0:50:55.480 --> 0:51:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that joy conditioning hock and Habit was

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>when I went on tour last year. We went to

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 1>nearly forty cities across the world, and at the end

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>of them, I'd lead in meditation. And I didn't have

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a name for it, but that's exactly the meditation I do.

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I ask everyone to go back to a moment where

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.600
<v Speaker 1>they experienced the most love and joy in their life

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.799
<v Speaker 1>and to relive it in the feelings. And I was

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 1>thinking about earlier this year, you reminded me as you

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.040
<v Speaker 1>were talking about your breathwork retreat. Earlier this year, I

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:31.439
<v Speaker 1>visited Bhutan and I'd never been before. And for anyone

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>who doesn't know, Bhutan is this tiny, beautiful country landlocked

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 1>between India and China, right in between, and it's got

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful culture. They're famously known for measuring GNH not

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:47.279
<v Speaker 1>GDP and gnh's gross National Happiness, and so it's the

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>culture of Bhutan is very very much mindful and being present.

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 1>And I was asked the leader session there and I

0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>remember we'd gone inside one of these old Bhutanese buildings.

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 1>It was We're in this beautiful courtyards surrounded by candles.

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 1>It got really really dark, where even though I was

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:06.439
<v Speaker 1>giving a presentation, no one could see me. They could

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>only hear me. And before it got dark, when it

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 1>was just the sun was about to set, I asked

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone to take a mental picture. And I always love

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that technique, the five four three two one technique. Yeah,

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And so I asked everyone to look at five things

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>they could see, four things they could touch, three things

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 1>they could hear, two things they could smell, and one

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 1>thing they could taste. And I was like this is

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.319
<v Speaker 1>how we take a mental picture. And now literally, if

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I close my eyes, I can go back there, right now,

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to that moment, because I took in the colors like

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you were just saying, took in the shade of the sky,

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>took in the shapes of the Bhutanese architecture like all

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of these, and as you were describing the fruits and

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the colors, and I just feel like, if we all

0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I love what you're saying, because I do think we

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 1>have so much joy in our lives. Yes, but we

0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>relived the negativity more. If you had a tough journey

0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>coming here, or I did, we would talk about how

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>tough it was the whole day, yes, But if we

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 1>had the most beautiful journey coming here, we wouldn't talk

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 1>about it once exactly, and we just ignore it and

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:17.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like, well, that's normal. But what's become normal is

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>us repeating our challenges. When does talking about our problems

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<v Speaker 1>and our anxiety actually help our brain versus our brain?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on how you talk about your anxiety.

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think, again, going back to this learning process,

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>can you talk about your anxiety as what it brings you,

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.720
<v Speaker 2>what you learned from either the fantastic way you handed

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<v Speaker 2>your anxiety or the non optimal way, and then think about, well,

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>how will I do that differently the next time. That

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>is the classic growth mindset. And if we can learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to talk about our fear or anxiety that way,

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<v Speaker 2>that is beautiful. In my meditation this morning, actually it

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<v Speaker 2>was an auditory, you know, I was listening to a

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>guided meditation. They asked me to think about four things

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 2>and I just loved it. I didn't know this was

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. It was what do you fear? What scares you?

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:29.320
<v Speaker 2>What brings you joy, and what brings you hope? I thought, Wow,

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 2>what great things to ponder, and it really kind of

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:37.919
<v Speaker 2>brought things into focus for me when I the first

0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.839
<v Speaker 2>thing that came to mind what do I fear? Who

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 2>do I fear? Losing more people? What am I scared of?

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And there it was, you know, I get scared of

0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:53.880
<v Speaker 2>people's opinions about myself. What brings me joy, all the

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 2>friends that bring me joy? And what do I hope

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>for when don't want to build in this world? So

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<v Speaker 2>it's about approaching and there's anxiety in that list that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody will do when they if they choose to do

0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 2>those four things. But again, anxiety is pointing you towards

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 2>what you hold dear, and all of those questions point

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<v Speaker 2>out what you hold dear and what your aspirations are.

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 2>So so to summarize mindset is so critical as we

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<v Speaker 2>are living, even as we're talking about our bad day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, our bad parking experience or driving experience, is

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 2>it to learn or is it to commiserate or just

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.399
<v Speaker 2>to you know? Or or you're not realizing you are

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:46.880
<v Speaker 2>focusing too much on a negative thing. Mindset and awareness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And also what you're saying, is this over amplification

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 1>as well of something that actually was quite insignificant, Yeah,

0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 1>or if it was significant. You're talking about looking at

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.080
<v Speaker 1>our challenges or talking about them in a way that

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>takes accountability and future accountability. And that's what I love

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.799
<v Speaker 1>this idea of, well, let me talk about what went

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<v Speaker 1>wrong today, and maybe I shouldn't take that route to

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>work anymore, or you know, maybe let me talk about

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>what went wrong in this conversation with someone I love,

0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and maybe I've got to set better boundaries. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>about a solution oriented growth focus, as you said, but

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<v Speaker 1>so many of our conversations today, especially about anxiety and

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:28.160
<v Speaker 1>stress are victim based and how do we make that switch?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when you feel like the victim, it feels so

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>real to you. It does, yeah, and you do feel

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 1>so hurt that if someone said, well, what could you

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>do differently, You'd be like nothing, I did everything the

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<v Speaker 1>best I could. So how do we open up that

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<v Speaker 1>switch from anxiety to growth?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So I think that something that has really helped

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<v Speaker 2>me is to pay attention to who you are talking to,

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<v Speaker 2>who is feeding you information in your life, and if

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:00.880
<v Speaker 2>it's too negative and it if it you know, you

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.160
<v Speaker 2>know this person is the best complainer in the world,

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 2>and and you you join in because it feels good

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 2>to complain, you know, with a with a friend about something.

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Step back and instead choose somebody who has that growth

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 2>mindset that can open up other possible ways to think

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 2>about that. Do it yourself. Think, okay, you know you

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 2>can do an exercise, do the complainer mindset for you

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.200
<v Speaker 2>on yourself, by yourself, and then do the growth mindset

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and ask yourself, how does that feel? What does it

0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 2>feel if I just go down the road of the

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 2>complainer versus what I like? Oh? I actually like that idea?

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 2>What if I do that next time? Can you inspire yourself?

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 2>So many different routes and coaches, therapists can they're experts

0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:54.560
<v Speaker 2>at doing this as well. So that's another route to go.

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 2>But podcasts or another, this is a common topic in

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 2>in podcast these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, what does healing actually look like in the brain

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<v Speaker 1>from trauma, like from a chemical perspective, like, what's actually

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<v Speaker 1>happening when we're healing?

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<v Speaker 2>I must say I'm more of an expert not on

0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:19.240
<v Speaker 2>healing from trauma, but on growth in the positive direction.

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And so here's what growth can look like based on

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that we've already talked about. So we

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about the effects that the fact that moving your

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.560
<v Speaker 2>body can have an immediate positive effect on your anxiety,

0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 2>also on your depression, decrease your stress response. What's happening there?

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Every single time you move your body, you're releasing a

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.880
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of neurochemicals in your brain. I like to

0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.440
<v Speaker 2>call it a neurochemical bubble bath for your brain.

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And so you're giving yourself this bubble bath. What's in

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 2>that bubble bath? Well, you've heard some of these neurochemicals

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>before dopamine. I know you love talking about dopamine. You

0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and so many other people talk about dopamine in such

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 2>interesting ways. Gitonin nor adrenaline endorphins. That's what's being released

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 2>in this bubble bath, and so not surprisingly, you feel

0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:10.160
<v Speaker 2>better after you walk. That is why you're feeling better.

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:14.000
<v Speaker 2>But the other thing that gets released is growth factors.

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Growth factors get released and they go to the hippocampus

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:22.760
<v Speaker 2>and they actually build new brain cells in the hippo camps.

0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 2>They help new brain cells grow in the hippocampus. Now,

0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:29.240
<v Speaker 2>you want as many shiny new hippampal brain cells as

0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you can get, which means that and they don't pop

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.320
<v Speaker 2>up like mushrooms. It takes a while. You need to

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:38.600
<v Speaker 2>keep up that physical activity and for that, the best

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>way to get high levels of growth factors in your

0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 2>bubble bath is to do an aerobic workout, any workout

0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that increases your heart rate. Now, this gives you lots

0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 2>of options. You like to dance, go dance, You like

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to take your dog for a walk, Go take for

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a dog for a power walk, like to walk, go

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>for a walk. Anything that gets your heart rate up.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't care what it is will help with this.

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<v Speaker 2>But keep it up, and it's like I picture a

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<v Speaker 2>watering can with growth factors going on your left and

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<v Speaker 2>your right hippocampus, making it big and fat and fluffy.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is one of the harbingers two great brain growth.

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<v Speaker 2>The other brain area, which I'm sure is huge in you,

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<v Speaker 2>is your prefrontal cortex. Living a life of a monk

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<v Speaker 2>and doing that deep practice of focusing your attention keeping

1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:33.040
<v Speaker 2>it there makes your area ten, which is right behind

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<v Speaker 2>your forehead, enhanced, enriched, not because of new neurons, but

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<v Speaker 2>likely because of new synapses. And so basically, what a

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<v Speaker 2>healed brain looks like is a bigger, fatter, fluffier brain

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<v Speaker 2>that is kind of flush with good neurochemicals and is

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<v Speaker 2>building new synaptic connections. That is kind of the beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>picture of what I call positive brain plasticity.

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<v Speaker 1>You make it sound so simple in terms of what

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do. We need to want breathing and moving. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's as simple as that. What if we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>breathing and moving and we're still not feeling positive benefits,

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<v Speaker 1>what could be a play there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I think that sometimes it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate what's going on. It could be that you're not

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<v Speaker 2>moving quite in the same way. I think it's easy

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<v Speaker 2>to get in a habit of moving, and so sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you need to push yourself a little bit more. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing ten minutes of walking, maybe try fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's you know, there are some pillars that

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<v Speaker 2>not just me, but so many neuroscientists have shown are

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<v Speaker 2>so important for brain plasticity, which is actually what my

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<v Speaker 2>undergraduate advisor discovered as she was a young neuroscientist in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties at U SEE Berkeley, Marion Diamond, and

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<v Speaker 2>so exercise was one of the pillars stress reduction that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from meditation. Social interaction. We are social beings. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry social media does not count person to person interaction.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what humans were evolved to do. Sleep, which

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't talked about but is so critically important. And

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth pillar is good nutrition. Social interaction. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to add that social interaction doesn't mean just conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>I include love. There. Having love in your life is

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<v Speaker 2>something that neuroscientists don't often talk about, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely critical for the health of your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you define love from a neuroscience perspective?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so you can study the neurobiology of love and

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<v Speaker 2>compare the brain areas that get active when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the picture of an acquaintance versus the picture of

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that you might have.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you see, you would see you would see.

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<v Speaker 2>Ward areas lighting up, but other areas social interaction areas

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<v Speaker 2>as well. And one of the most interesting findings that

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<v Speaker 2>I love from that neurobiology of love fMRI study of

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<v Speaker 2>love literature is that they've also started to look at

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<v Speaker 2>how does the brain response to your loved one change

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<v Speaker 2>from the first throws of romantic love when you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get enough of each other to a relationship that has

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<v Speaker 2>evolved to something stable but very very loving. And what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is it goes from just lots of lots of

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<v Speaker 2>dopamine and lots of reward areas and kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>suppression of the amigla and and kind of the fear.

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<v Speaker 2>You're fearless when you are first in love. And I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know I felt fearless. I don't know if in

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<v Speaker 2>a good way, but we feel fearless. And it starts

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<v Speaker 2>to evolve into a pattern that looks like the maternal

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<v Speaker 2>or paternal pattern, that is that protective element and we

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<v Speaker 2>can't see everything from fMRI, but I thought, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>that's such a beautiful pattern to think about that that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't sustain that first you know, flush of love

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of my life. But that deep love

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<v Speaker 2>that you do feel for a child, that is what

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<v Speaker 2>comes with long term.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never heard about that from when your That's so interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so interesting, that romantic love. But the way it

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<v Speaker 1>looks afterwards is more paternal and protective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, not in every single you know, Marcel, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the relationships that you admire, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those long term relationship, there is the devotion that is

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<v Speaker 2>there that of course you see for you know, protection

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<v Speaker 2>for your young child. It's not identical, but that devotion

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<v Speaker 2>is beautiful. That's what's moving about those kinds of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like today it's become harder and harder

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<v Speaker 1>and harder even just in how people gather. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I was just watching what I just see,

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<v Speaker 1>Gladiated too, And I remember watching Gladiator one and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just while I was watching it, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about the fact that the Roman Colisseum was so

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<v Speaker 1>big and that people would gather every week. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd gather for the worst reason. But the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>so many people would gather every week, or I think

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<v Speaker 1>at one point it was every day, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, what is everyone doing in their spare time?

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<v Speaker 1>But so many people would gather, so many people would

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<v Speaker 1>be together. Of course, if we look at whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>community census, churches, temples, the places of gathering today we

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<v Speaker 1>have less and less places of gathering. Even though there's

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people going to listen to this episode, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not in the same place listening to it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that if we did have a million people here

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<v Speaker 1>right now, even if we had a portion of the

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<v Speaker 1>people that listen to the episode here, they could then

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it yeah, and discuss it and exchange it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could look at each other's eyes and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel that too, Oh my gosh, I went through

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<v Speaker 1>that grief, and how amazing would that be? And we're

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<v Speaker 1>losing that, And so the ability to create love and

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<v Speaker 1>connection is becoming harder and harder and harder because our

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<v Speaker 1>places of similar value are now digital. Right If this

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<v Speaker 1>is a place, I know everyone who listens to us

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<v Speaker 1>has similar values, cares about similar things, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>meeting each other. And you know, we're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>that by when I go on tour. That's really one

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<v Speaker 1>of my biggest goals because I'm hoping when everyone walks out,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all going to just talk to each other and

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<v Speaker 1>ask each other questions. Should we be forcing ourselves to

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<v Speaker 1>have places to gather of similar value? Like should we

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<v Speaker 1>make that a priority?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And I immediately think of the university, And that

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<v Speaker 2>is a natural place of gathering in person. Universities, you're

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<v Speaker 2>gathering every single day, multiple times a day. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I see the stress and the worry of do I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, am I smart enough? You know in this

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<v Speaker 2>room pushes people apart and then they go and they

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<v Speaker 2>go on their phone and it's more comfortable to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what I'm trying to shift, so that we

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<v Speaker 2>take full advantage of this person to person place of

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<v Speaker 2>gathering at our university, that they feel connected to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>they feel like they belong there for whatever thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to promote, I, as dean, want to promote

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<v Speaker 2>the joy of learning. That is what I want to

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<v Speaker 2>teach them. That is what I want them to feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yes, all of you university professors out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You have this power to make your place of gathering

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<v Speaker 2>one of these places where people are talking and interacting.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we all try that. It's harder because

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<v Speaker 2>because of the pandemic and we're not used to being

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<v Speaker 2>together as much in society or you know, in our

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<v Speaker 2>growing up. So the answer to your question is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's our responsibility to do that. How can we do

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<v Speaker 2>that more? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I love that example. I saw I read a study

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<v Speaker 1>that said eighty percent of us pull out our phone

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<v Speaker 1>in a crowd just to avoid conversation and contact. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I love what you're saying about building it on

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<v Speaker 1>a college campus. And I think the same applies inside

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<v Speaker 1>a corporation if people are coming to work, even if

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<v Speaker 1>they're coming to work three days a week. As a

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<v Speaker 1>dean yourself, how do you do that when you've got targets.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's results you have to get to. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got things, deadlines you have to meet, You've got a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of stuff on your play, as does a CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of a major corporation or an organization. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>prioritize a love for learning and belonging and connection. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not just as nice things that you say, but actually

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<v Speaker 1>do How do you do that? Because I see it

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<v Speaker 1>as very genuine from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, real, absolutely, And so how do I prioritize I

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<v Speaker 2>just make it a priority, and I decide the actions

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to do to get to that goal. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I am literally strategizing about how I could

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<v Speaker 2>get in front of as many of those nine thousand

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<v Speaker 2>students that I have multiple times during their four years

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<v Speaker 2>with us. I see them all, every single first year student,

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<v Speaker 2>I see every single one graduating. I see there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time between that. What can I do to

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<v Speaker 2>have a meaningful How should I go on tour just

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<v Speaker 2>like you do, but talk to the first year is,

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<v Speaker 2>the second year is the third years. I loved my

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<v Speaker 2>college experience because I was imbued with the love of learning,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I do that through the coursework that I

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<v Speaker 2>provide for my students. That is actually I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>develop it right now. It is an online class, but

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<v Speaker 2>with an in person component so that I could kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gut up to sk the first time I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called it's called the Fluffy Brain Course. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give all the students in this course a

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<v Speaker 2>fluffy brain teaching them a lot about what we've just

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<v Speaker 2>spent the last hour talking about. But there's always going

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<v Speaker 2>to be an in person component and the goal of

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<v Speaker 2>this class is to inspire them to do person, not

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<v Speaker 2>inspire them. It's part of the class. That's a great

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<v Speaker 2>thing about a class. I could assign things to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So your assignment is to do a personal experiment about exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you going to up your exercise for the

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<v Speaker 2>next week, But first you're going to just notice your

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<v Speaker 2>mood or your regular mood states, so that self awareness,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next week you are going to propose something,

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<v Speaker 2>do it, increase your exercise, and then self reflect about

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<v Speaker 2>that and we will we will explore that and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it together.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. And they have to do it, they

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<v Speaker 1>have to really do it. Yeah, I'm really happy that

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying this, because I do think as leaders in

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<v Speaker 1>different institutions and organizations, there's such a there's a responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also just a vision for what an amazingly happy,

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<v Speaker 1>fluffy brain community looks like. Yes, And when I think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, coming from college, it's hard because people are

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<v Speaker 1>coming from so many different motivations. Yes, right, someone's coming

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<v Speaker 1>there for the best job in the world. Someone's coming

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<v Speaker 1>there for an amazing social experience. Someone's coming there to

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<v Speaker 1>compete with everyone else. Right, You've got all these drivers,

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<v Speaker 1>and to kind of take everyone's drivers and point it

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<v Speaker 1>in one direction is one of the hardest things to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the world because everyone's got their background and

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<v Speaker 1>their walk of life. And I remember in the monastery,

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<v Speaker 1>it's similar to what you said, our senior most monk

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<v Speaker 1>would always talk about three qualities above all qualities, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was humility, tolerance, and compassion that was it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if you went to one of his lectures, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all he was going to talk about. And what you

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<v Speaker 1>realized slowly was that, at least for me, I found

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<v Speaker 1>that those became qualities that inspired for because I recognized

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<v Speaker 1>they were most valued in this place, even though I

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<v Speaker 1>may have come from a different set of values before.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have come from like ambition, drive, whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>And all of a sudden, it's humility and tolerance, compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you saw those who accepted and those who

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<v Speaker 1>rejected it as well. There were some people who just

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<v Speaker 1>went ye oh, yeah, whatever, who cares, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was some that went, no, that seems to be the

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<v Speaker 1>truth and so what do you find is the healthiest

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<v Speaker 1>way to encourage people in the right direction. Is people

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be told and people don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be preached to. So how do you do it in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that actually the brain digests.

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<v Speaker 2>So I start with the official greeting of the College

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<v Speaker 2>of Arts and Science, which is Jay, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful brain. And so I invite all the students when

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<v Speaker 2>they see me on the street to come up and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a beautiful brain. And of course I will

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<v Speaker 2>say it back to them. And I love starting from

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<v Speaker 2>there because that is the truth, the neurobiological truth, that

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of the brains of my students is beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Your brain is beautiful, My brain is beautiful. And no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what your motivation for being in this space with me,

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<v Speaker 2>it has a beautiful brain. And from there we go,

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<v Speaker 2>from which hopefully provides a sense of belonging, we go

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<v Speaker 2>to let's share. Let's share what you have to give

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<v Speaker 2>from your beautiful brain, because your brain has something to

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<v Speaker 2>give that is different than what my brain. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>just provide a situation and an environment that's open to

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<v Speaker 2>all of that sharing and talk about the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>no it's not about competition, it's not about getting the

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<v Speaker 2>highest mark. It's learning the deepest for whatever class you are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know these are hard priorities, but I'm building

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<v Speaker 2>them over the last two and a half years and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really a joy to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so lucky to have you there, really are. That's

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<v Speaker 1>such a you know, to leave college with that mindset,

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<v Speaker 1>with a love for deep learning, I think we'll set

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<v Speaker 1>people up for so much more success, yes than just

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<v Speaker 1>a great job that eventually may end up being the

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<v Speaker 1>job that they don't want to be in and a

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<v Speaker 1>career that they don't enjoy. And then when you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that and you don't have a deep love for learning, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that becomes really really hard. And that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>I see. I feel like I speak to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are kind of got the job that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought they want out of college, and then five

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<v Speaker 1>years in, maybe even quicker to like, it's actually not

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted yea, And now I'm trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>meaning in life. For the problem is I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>that deep love for learning, and so now I have

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<v Speaker 1>to build it later on. So it's so lucky to

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<v Speaker 1>have you. Oh, thank you, it's really amazing. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you when you say that after meation, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that you have a beautiful brain. Does positive thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and positive affirmations do they actually work?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I mean there are studies showing that if you

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<v Speaker 2>take a group of people and have them do positive affirmations,

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<v Speaker 2>not just just saying them a certain number of time

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<v Speaker 2>every day, versus people that don't do those positive affirmations,

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<v Speaker 2>their affect is better. It's higher, you know, less uh,

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<v Speaker 2>less negative affect and more positive affect. Yes, it does

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<v Speaker 2>have an effect, which makes sense. Our brain takes in

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's happening to us. So you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>why we talked about looking at the people that you are,

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<v Speaker 2>that you're that's feeding you information. Are they cynical? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they negative? Or are they giving you a growth mindset?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they are they giving you interesting new possibilities to

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<v Speaker 2>go to? Very important to ask yourself that I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Ask you, BENDIVI, it's okay. A couple of questions from

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<v Speaker 1>your first book about memory. Yeah, sure, because I just

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<v Speaker 1>think it's such a fascinating subject. And when we think

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<v Speaker 1>about the brain and memory, I think there's there's just

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much connection that I think would fascinate people.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you, why is it that we

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<v Speaker 1>can remember different things about the same event and when

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<v Speaker 1>you're there with the same people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so sorry to say, but our memory does not

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<v Speaker 2>work very well. Generally we think, oh, you know, I'm young,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a great memory. No, our memory is not great.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the reason why two people at the same

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<v Speaker 2>event remember different things is that we are focused on

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<v Speaker 2>these different things. And let me just go over the

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<v Speaker 2>four things that makes memory stick. This works at all

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<v Speaker 2>ages based on the neurophysiology and biology of this hippy

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<v Speaker 2>campus that we talked about critical for forming and retaining new,

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<v Speaker 2>new long term memories. So what makes memory stick? Repetition.

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<v Speaker 2>So you and I might be at the same event

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<v Speaker 2>and you're focused on one thing and it's the same event,

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<v Speaker 2>but event is big. I'm focused on something else, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're repeating something that I that I never saw, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing something that you never saw. Repetition association. We

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<v Speaker 2>remember things better when they're associated with other things that

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<v Speaker 2>are in our long term memory. So we might be

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<v Speaker 2>easier to remember a friend of a friend that we

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<v Speaker 2>know really really well and they introduced us versus somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't know at all, and you try to

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<v Speaker 2>remember them from anybody association. Novelty, if it's really novel,

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<v Speaker 2>you've never experienced this in your life, it tends to

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<v Speaker 2>be more memorable because our brains are focused on novelty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a danger kind of you know, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to novelty, and maybe there are things at

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<v Speaker 2>the event that were really novel to you that, like

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a million times in my brain just completely

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<v Speaker 2>ignores them. And the fourth thing that makes memory stick

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<v Speaker 2>is emotional resonance. So we remember the happiest and the

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<v Speaker 2>saddest points in our life. That's what this structure, the

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<v Speaker 2>amygdala helps with. It kind of helps those really emotional

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<v Speaker 2>memories stick better. And again, at this same event, you

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<v Speaker 2>might be moved by something that either I didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>or just I wasn't moved by because that wasn't in

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<v Speaker 2>my in my life experience. So there's lots of different

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why two different people will have sometimes very different

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<v Speaker 2>memories of the same event.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I have a friend who is very present,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, in the moment. But if I was

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<v Speaker 1>to say to them to remember something from one two

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<v Speaker 1>years back, even from like fifteen years back, they cannot

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<v Speaker 1>recall it at all. Well, yeah, is that an issue?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, memory is also there's a lot of variability.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember at I met somebody with something called

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<v Speaker 2>highly superior autobiographical memory. I don't know if you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>of this. They did this great show on sixteen minutes

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<v Speaker 2>about people. It was actually discovered by colleagues of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>neuroscientists at UC Irvine. And these are people that have

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary memory for details, so they could remember when they

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<v Speaker 2>were eight years old what was on TV at seven pm,

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<v Speaker 2>seven thirty eight pm, and this this uh uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>incredible memory. It gets in the way. But but uh

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<v Speaker 2>there's on one end that form of memory, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all the way too. There's actually particularly poor memory in

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<v Speaker 2>that same vein. I'm not sure if two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>memories don't stick as long as the person can you know,

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<v Speaker 2>live their lives and they have you know, regular memory

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<v Speaker 2>for the things they need to live their lives for.

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<v Speaker 2>But there Yeah, there's a there's a wide variety of

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<v Speaker 2>memory levels that that can exist.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world. So that's not a sign for dementia Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 2>Know how old are they?

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're young, They're young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So so so many people have this fear of demand.

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<v Speaker 2>I have dimension in my family. It's uh our memories. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a tip for everybody. They get worse as a

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<v Speaker 2>as we age because we know and we've experienced more

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<v Speaker 2>in our life. It's called interference. So I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything when I was in high school. My memory was

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<v Speaker 2>better because I had nothing to interfere. Now I have

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<v Speaker 2>so much to keep track of. I don't I give

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<v Speaker 2>myself some slack when I don't remember certain things. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I have an assistant to tell me what I

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<v Speaker 2>really need to remember. But I'm not worried because there

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of interference in my life, and I

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<v Speaker 2>take that into account.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if we want to strengthen our memory, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you suggest?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, strengthening your memory is all about being present

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<v Speaker 2>to what you really want to remember using those four techniques. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't make something emotional emotionally resonant unless you try

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<v Speaker 2>and make it funny. So that's actually one technique that

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<v Speaker 2>I've used. If I really want to try and remember

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's name or something, I try and create a funny

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<v Speaker 2>image about it, but sorry. Repetition repetition. Repetition will help

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<v Speaker 2>your memory, no problem. Association can help. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>can associate this person or this name, or this concept

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<v Speaker 2>with something that it reminds you of to help those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of recall lines that you can have to this memory,

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<v Speaker 2>that can help as well. You can't make something novel

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<v Speaker 2>if it's not completely novel. But it's not unfortunately a

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<v Speaker 2>magic bullet.

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy, You've been so kind and gracious with your time today.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've learned so much. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely everything. I really hope that everyone goes and grabs

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of your book Good Anxiety. It's brilliant. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a need for us to use anxiety in

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<v Speaker 1>the way you're saying, rather than this desire to avoid it.

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<v Speaker 1>We end every episode with a final five, so these

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<v Speaker 1>questions have to be answered in one word to one

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<v Speaker 1>sentence for maximum Okay, So, Wendy, these are your final five.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>The first question is what is the best advice you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 2>Your brain defines who you are. Take care of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard or received?

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<v Speaker 2>Put your head down and work as hard as you

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<v Speaker 2>can until you reach your goal. I'm the one that

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<v Speaker 2>told me that that bad advice.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love that question Number three, what's something you

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to discover about the brain?

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to discover how to enhance joyous memories

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<v Speaker 2>more easily.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that question. Number fore, what's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>used to think was true about the brain but now isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, we used to think back in the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties that the adult brain had no capacity to

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<v Speaker 2>change or grow. And my whole neuroscience career has been

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<v Speaker 2>showing how that could happen. How do you make it

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<v Speaker 2>happen more? And what are those activities that you can

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<v Speaker 2>bring into your life to do that beautifully?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did we believe that? Where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>It came from the point in time we were in neuroscience.

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<v Speaker 2>There was just no evidence that there were over changes.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have deep enough microscopes to see the molecular changes,

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<v Speaker 2>even the structural changes that we can now see very

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<v Speaker 2>easily with our more powerful tools. And so understandably they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I see no evidence for change once you reach adulthood,

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<v Speaker 2>I see no change. And so of course that was

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<v Speaker 2>the dogma until somebody said, hey, I think let's look

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<v Speaker 2>at this in a different way. And of course that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't believed at first, but then with effort, that was

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<v Speaker 2>the concept of brain plasticity. And now we know that

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<v Speaker 2>so much can change in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there an age at which certain things can't change?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yes, for certain things. Language, there's a language change. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is. Don't quote me on this, around

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<v Speaker 2>ten years old. It's good to learn the languages before that.

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<v Speaker 2>That could be a little bit on the low side. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really important to get bilateral good vision, and so

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<v Speaker 2>if you have amblyoplia, it changes your vision. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are things that change with me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Fifth and final question. Okay, we asked this

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who's ever been on the show. If you

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<v Speaker 1>could create one law that everyone in the world had

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<v Speaker 1>to follow, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>You must make at least five deep friendships in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful. Thank you so much, doctor Wendy Siziki. You

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<v Speaker 1>are incredible. That was so much fun. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>great time with you. Thank you for being so personal

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<v Speaker 1>as well and open about your own journey with grief,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you'll come back onto the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my

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<v Speaker 1>interview with doctor Daniel Ahman on how to change your

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<v Speaker 1>life by changing your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or

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<v Speaker 2>the curse to scan over a thousand convicted felons and

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<v Speaker 2>over a hundred murderers, and their brains are very damaged.