WEBVTT - Men Found Useless with Cody Rigsby 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:01.840 Hi, Catherine. 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:05.359 Hello, Hello Chelsea Handler. My name is Chelsea Handler. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.440 H A and D L E R. Hey. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:08.239 Sure is how are you doing? 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.760 I'm ready, I'm ready. I'm ready for our show. I 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.320 have the Critics' Choice Awards tomorrow night. Everyone can watch 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.120 those on E What else do oh? I have exciting 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.439 new lemonade coming out, you guys. I partnered with a 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.759 lemonade brand called Well, a vodka brand, well a boozy 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.200 brand called Owls Brew. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.119 They're female founders. 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I had given up on this idea. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.360 But when you do read my book, you will see 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.880 why there is a vodka lemonade tie in because I had. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.000 I was an entrepreneur at a very young age, and 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.400 I open up a lemonade stand, and then when I 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.120 realized how much money I'd be making, I decided that 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.680 I needed a larger margin of profit and opened up 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:57.920 a hard lemonade stand. 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.160 Perfect. 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We're gonna 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:35.400 have Owlsbrew. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:36.160 Awesome. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.079 You're never this excited about things. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:39.080 I know. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.400 I am excited because it's so delicious. My publicist, who 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.640 barely drinks it all, she's like, I love this. She 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.280 sends me a picture every night. She's like, I have 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.280 one every night before I go to bed. I'm like, okay, well, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.760 you're a different kind of drinker than I am. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:50.480 Fantastic. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.880 Also, I'll be on Oh yeah, this is Critics Choice Award. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.480 The Critics Choice Awards are tomorrow night. I don't know 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.720 what time for anything in the afternoon, seven eastern maybe, yes, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.880 something like that, seven pm Eastern on the E Network. 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.839 Well, we have a fun guest this week. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.200 You have a very fun guest today speaking of vodka 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:16.880 and Elton star Heloton star Cody Rigsby. He is our Well, 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.080 he's a Peloton guru, dancer, author and host of the 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.600 Tactful Pettiness podcast. Please welcome a person I've worked out 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:25.440 with several times. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:26.280 Cody Rigsby. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.720 Hi, Cody Rigsby, Chelsea b very honest, like, do you 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.799 have any idea who I am? 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.000 Yeah? I do? 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:33.320 You do? 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.200 Yeah? I do Peloton all the time. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.120 Oh you do. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.720 I appreciate the question, though You're not wrong to ask that, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:39.440 and I would. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.640 Have been offended. I adore you. I used to watch 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.560 your show in college with my boyfriend, and I've read 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.440 your book and I just and I love that you're 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.680 an advocate for not having kids, although I have turned 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.760 the corner on that. I think I might want them, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.320 but I'm not sure. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.119 Are you pregnant? 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:54.600 I will be in a few days. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.360 Oh wow, that's very premonitionary, premonitionary. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.760 Yeah, that really flew right out of my mouth. I 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:03.600 was unexpected. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.320 That is premonitionary means like my friend has premonitionary dreams. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.560 She dreams about some things and then they happen. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:12.720 Yeah. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.440 No, I just know that I'm going to fuck someone 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:16.160 this weekend. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.039 So, but you can't get pregnant in the tush sheet, Cody. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:19.880 I talk about this. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.560 You know, the modern medicine. You never know. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.600 I eventually, I feel like we're around the corner from 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.000 men being able to carry a baby. I know, we've 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.400 had a couple of male people carry babies that had 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.920 transitioned and kept transition from female to men, and then 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.360 they were able to carry a baby. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:37.680 Because they still had their what do you need to 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.520 carry baby? A uterus? 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:40.240 Something like that. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.400 But I feel like men are going to have become 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.360 obsolete if they don't come up with something, you know, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.960 like straight straight men. Obviously gay men are fine, you know, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.960 in my view, but straight men are going to have 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.040 to bring more to the table because people are getting 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.520 pregnant with or without them. You know, there are animals 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.960 that parthenogenesis. We've talked about this, where you can get pregnant. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.119 It happened to an anaconda. She got pregnant without a male. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.320 It happened to a condor, a bird. Yeah what, uh huh, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.559 It's happened to like a lot of not a lot, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.440 but it's definitely happened, and it happened twice in zoos, 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.640 so they had no exposure to the male species and 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.400 they were able to just fertilize their own eggs. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.840 Jurassic perk here we come. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.960 Yeah, haven't I talked to you about this? Okay? 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.520 So my friend Emily told me about this a long 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.279 time ago because I was doing it in my stand 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.000 up and then nobody really seemed to understand what the 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.560 fuck I was talking about. So then I just started 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:32.400 researching it more. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.119 But yes, you can. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.880 Like, we aren't a thousand years evolutionarily behind animals, So 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.920 if animals are procreating without the help of sperm, there 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.840 is a chance in the next one thousand years that 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.559 the human species might be there, especially if the straight 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:48.440 white men keep. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.560 Acting like this. I love that, do you know what 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:50.960 I mean? 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.920 So anyway, back to your pregnancy congratulations in a few days, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.560 I guess, how does it feel, Cody to become a 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.520 well known person as an exercise instructor? First and foremost, like, 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.640 you couldn't have planned that, right? 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:07.440 Uh? 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.080 No, not, I did not plan that at all. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.720 You know, I've been working at Peloton for ten years now, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.040 and I just thought it was gonna be a side 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.440 gig because I was tired of being a cater waiter 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.120 and working late nights at a fucking nightclub. And it's 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.080 absolutely changed my life and I'm so glad that I 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.760 get to like help people be their best self while 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.600 being a little silly gaybley and a bike. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.479 Yeah yeah, I mean it's a real I mean, you 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.520 really do have a different spin on the class no pun. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.719 Intended, pun intended. 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.240 You do, like have great energy, great vibes. You make 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.599 the classes fun. I know people talk about you and 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.280 how much they love taking your class. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.159 So good for you. That's fucking awesomesbabe. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.120 Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, you know, when I get into 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.720 maybe my politician era, maybe when I run for Senate, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.839 Like it will definitely be on my campaign. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.640 Speech in Texas. You should run in Texas first, I 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:56.040 think I. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.159 Should, you know, that should be my goal. I'll just 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.359 be I think they called that a carpetbag. Is that 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:01.440 what they called her back in the. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.240 Day, carpet bagger? But if that's if you go from 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.240 the north to the south, Yeah, maybe, so. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.840 Let's look up carpet bagger. You guys, we need to 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:13.680 get to the bottom of this. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.200 Oh okay, it is a person from the Northern States 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.120 who went to the South after the Civil War to 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:20.960 profit from the reconstruction, so. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:23.640 Than what we saw. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.600 But it's a double whammy because they went to go 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:31.400 profit from reconstruction. So they were like, oh, oh, I see, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:31.920 I see. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.440 So it's not that bad. It's bad on one level. Okay, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:34.840 got it. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.560 So when I go on my my my senate speech, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.720 I'm definitely going to be like what only in America 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:47.360 could Like could a cycling instructor make it into the 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.840 pop cultures guys to be successful at. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.280 Them and then become a senator in Texas? I mean, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.080 I feel the trajectory for you, passionately. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:55.880 All of a sudden. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.920 Yeah, you know, someone's got to take out to a 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.120 cruise one of these day. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.840 God God willing, When the hell is that gonna happen? 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.080 I don't unfortunately, not anytime soon. 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.520 Question for you, Cody, you grew up where you grew 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.440 up in the south right north North Carolina. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.560 Yeah, so I was born in Los Angeles. I moved 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.440 to North Carolina and when I was eight by yourself. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.280 You moved by yourself at eight. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.880 Just me, I got in a car and drove through. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:18.640 Now, me and my mom and like our three cats 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.239 and two dogs in a beat up Chrysler just packed 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.360 it across the country and headed to North Carolina. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:24.600 And how was that transition? 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.840 I definitely cried when we arrived there. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.880 There was no sidewalks where I could roller blade, and 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:34.280 then you know, the tons of homophobia and racism that's 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.760 in the South didn't settle well with my soul. So 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.760 it was for an interesting upbringing. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.320 Yeah, I bet that wasn't a nice transition. It's not 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.440 fun to go to the South once you've been exposed 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.040 to the North. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.240 Well, in all honesty, though, because I was in Los Angeles, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.360 I like, looking back in retrospect, I am grateful that 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.760 I grew up in North Carolina. I think it would 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.320 have been It's a simpler sort of life besides the 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.560 homophobia and the racism. I think if I'd landed in 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.800 stayed in LA maybe things wouldn't have been great. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.080 Yeah, I feel like. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.480 The homophobia and racism is just different in different areas. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.800 Like I feel like it is very pervasive, but it's 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.200 not allowed to show. It's like a face, you know, 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.160 in certain parts of the country, even though it still exists, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.319 just like misogyny and all of. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.880 The stuff kind of exists everywhere. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.080 But I once heard someone say, like, oh, everyone thinks 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.360 the South is so racist, but Southern people are able 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.679 to like cohabitate and live next to people that are 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.960 different from them without having it be a big deal, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.000 whereas in the northern cities we do self segregate. Like 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.800 if you come to La you see that it's so segregated. Right, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.199 There's like Korea Town, there's Chinatown. Everybody kind of lives 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.559 in there. Part of the thing, which isn't exactly what 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:38.880 we're aiming for either. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:40.120 Anyway. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.080 Cody, back to you, I hear that you have you 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.840 have a long term relationship, right. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.840 Uh no, well I did, but that ended about four 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:50.480 months ago. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.960 Oh I'm glad I could bring that up. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.240 Then, you know what, I'm in such a good place 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.680 with it. It was a six year relationship. We broke 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.320 up once before for like six months, and I think 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.520 that really affected the way that the second breakup happened. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.000 And I had a really hard first month with it, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.520 and then I accepted it and I've been living my life. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.720 Well, wait, can I ask you about that though, Like, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.640 tell me, how do you think the first six month 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.640 breakup impacted the second breakup? 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.600 That's a great question. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.760 I think in the first breakup, I was taking a 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.240 lot of responsibility for like my wrongdoing, and so I 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.560 just felt like I needed another chance to give it 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.360 a go and I could fix it and do all 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.559 these things. And I think upon having another year and 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.760 a half together where I was able to like go 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.120 to couple's therapy and do all the things and it 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.960 still wasn't working, I think I landed in this space 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.800 of just us not being able to meet our needs. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.320 And as much as that hurts, and as much as 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.400 like I didn't make the decision, it was the best decision. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.280 I also really dove into the book Attached, which goes 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:53.880 into attachment styles within relationship. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.560 Yes, I've read that book. That's a good book. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.559 It's a great book. And like I'm anxiously attached. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.120 He's avoided and that's just like water and oil, and 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.520 like it's possible, but it's just going to bring up 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:04.479 a lot of confrontation. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.520 Yeah, I wonder if it's ever possible to change your 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.520 attachment style. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.480 It is so half of the population is secure and 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.800 then one fourth. One fourth is avoidant, one fourth is anxious, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:22.080 and the goal is to put into practice self awareness 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.959 and things in your life that you then become securely attached. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.360 Okay, because that's interesting because I remember being in a 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.040 relationship where I was very anxious, not avoidant, anxious, and 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.280 now I and I'm definitely not anxious anymore, Like with 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.079 any relationship, I'm just secure because probably because I've done 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.800 the therapy and God to understand myself in a much 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:41.560 better way. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.200 Which feels a lot better. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:48.439 There's nothing worse than feeling the preoccupation of anxiety about 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.720 a relationship, checking your phone, wondering if they're going to 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.520 show up when they say they're going to show up, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.200 and having all those kind of negative thought cycles around 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:57.000 a relationship. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.760 And yeah, you are secure because you know yourself, you 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.880 know your boundaries, you know your worth, and when those 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.680 things aren't being met, you know how to be like, hey, 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:04.400 this isn't for. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.520 Me, absolutely, And there's really not a lot of like 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:08.679 gray area anymore. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.000 For me. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.080 It's like I don't care if something works out or 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.360 it doesn't. I don't I'm not invested that much into anything. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.040 Even if I were to fall in love with someone. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.720 I can't imagine getting so preoccupied at this stage in 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.880 my life with like a lover. So that feels a 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.520 lot healthier too, and very mature, and I've never felt 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.040 mature until I was in my forties. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.000 I aspire, I aspired to be you in that situation. 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.720 So you have a new podcast coming out? 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:34.199 Yeah? 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.439 No, Me and my friend Andrew Chappelle have launched Tackle Pettiness. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.880 We actually just shot We just recorded an episode today. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.160 It's been out since June. So if anybody wants to 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.000 listen to Tackle Pettiness, get it. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.760 Where your podcasts are gotten? 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:49.360 What platform are you guys. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.840 On on Apple and Spotify? 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.640 Okay, great, So what do you guys give advice on 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:54.240 the podcast? 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:54.839 Yeah? 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.640 Yeah, we kind of go through like you know, cultural moments, 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.600 anything that's topical, and then and then we try to focus 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.520 on like a relationship topic like today was like fighting. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.800 We also did travel last week, which was a lot 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.720 of a lot of fun. And we take like listeners 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.040 questions dish out advice like only two opinionated homosexuals can 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:14.160 that's nice. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.040 That's nice. And your partner on the podcast, what's his name? 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.240 Andrew Chappelle, who was an actor, Broadway actor, TV actor. Okay, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.360 one of the funniest people. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.000 I know, one of the funniest people. You know. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.400 Yeah, that's nice. Can go round around with can go 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:28.280 round to a round with me? 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.800 Huh? How did you guys hook up? 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.160 You know, just being gay in New York City. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.600 We've known each other for probably a decade at this point, 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.040 like a friend of a friend and going out on 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.560 Fire Island, and you know, our friendship is kind of 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.880 interesting because he was one of those people that I 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.959 didn't like at first, you know, like where you kind 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.040 of give a little side eye and you're like, I 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.199 don't like this bitch. And those usually are the foundations 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.000 for great friendships because once you get past that initial 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.160 that little initial bitchiness, and then you see that you 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.480 have so much in common, it's like, oh, I don't 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.679 know why I thought you were so horrible, because you're awesome. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:13:59.920 I yeah, I agree with that. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:00.120 Ye. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.440 I always have stronger relationships where it's a kind of 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.680 slow burn. I think the idea of making a great 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.040 first impression, I don't buy that, Like, I don't think 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.920 that matters as much, you know, Like I don't think 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.000 every first of all people aren't who they are when 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.200 you first meet them. Usually exactly, everyone's kind of, you know, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.520 being on their best behavior or trying to show off 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.720 or trying to be I have a problem where people 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.880 try to be funny around me all the time, and. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.360 I find that extremely annoying, you know what I mean. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.720 Like when I'm in at airport or someone's on a 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:31.400 plane next to me, they'll lean over and be like 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.160 and I'm like, no, no, it's not like that. I'm like, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:35.640 I don't need you to entertain me. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:36.160 I don't. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.680 Or they'll say they'll have conversations that they know I'm 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.440 in earshot of saying things they know that I'll like 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.680 that I'm in accordance with or agreement with. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.360 I also find that exhausting. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.800 I wish people would just be normal, you know what 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.360 I mean, Like, you don't have to make me laugh, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:51.600 just talk to me. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.120 But whenever you're hanging out with and I'll tell you 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.400 the reason I'm thinking this, Like, whenever you hang out 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.560 with like comedians or people that are in your field, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.560 do you feel like they're spitballing and trying to make 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.320 you laugh or trying to like get in with it. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:06.040 Does that make sense? 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.840 I mean, my friends brought it up the other day. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.600 She goes, it's really annoying being around you in a 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.800 bunch of other comics because everybody's just trying to be 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.800 so funny, And I'm like, oh, yeah, I would imagine 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.120 that would be annoying without being a comedian. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.320 But I also don't pick up on that, you know 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.400 what I mean, because that's natural. They're comedians. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.040 But when regular people try to be funny sometimes it's 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:24.080 very painful, you know. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:25.160 It's like, oh. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.640 God, I only say that because I did as a dancer. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.160 I did SNL twice and I remember being on the 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:31.880 set and I was just like, oh my god. These guys, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.640 like especially the guys, they were just like constantly trying 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.840 to outdo each other with the funniness. And I was 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.960 like enough, Like I'm just a little out dancer extra, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.040 but like enough. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.480 That's fun that you were on that you Oh yeah, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.000 you weren't Dancing with the Stars. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.720 Yeah, Dancing with the Stars as well. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.200 How was that experience. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.840 I'm so grateful that I did it, but it was 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.280 honestly one of the most challenging and like things I've 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:55.720 ever done, and one of the things that beat me 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.760 down so much physically and mentally and emotionally. But I'm 0:15:58.800 --> 0:15:59.960 so glad that I did it, and it was so 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.120 good for my career, and they couldn't pay me enough money. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:03.360 To do it again. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.040 But why did it beat you down emotionally so much? 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:08.240 You know? 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.280 Okay, So a lot of my famer notoriety came through 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.840 the pandemic, and I was kind of encapsulated in this 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.840