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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Indiana does it? They complete the season a miracle season.

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Speaker 2: And there was a website that said the odds for

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Speaker 2: Indiana to win the national title. At the start of

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Speaker 2: the year they were plus ten thousand, Fernando Mendoza to

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Speaker 2: win the Heisman, plus five thousand. Their win total over

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Speaker 2: under eight and a half. And here they are with

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Speaker 2: a magical season and give credit to a lot of

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Speaker 2: people here, Kurt Signetti, you got to start with him.

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Speaker 2: Imagine you're at Alabama and you're working with Nick Saban

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Speaker 2: and you say to Nick Saban, coach, I want to leave.

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Speaker 2: I want to be a head coach. And you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: where are you going? And he says, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Iu Pui And Nick Saban says, why do you want

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Speaker 2: to do that? He wanted to be a head coach.

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Speaker 2: He proved to be successful there. Elon James Madison, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this isn't the normal route to become a national champion,

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Speaker 2: but there's something about him. And he doesn't go after

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Speaker 2: five star recruits or four star recruits because he couldn't

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Speaker 2: because five stars and four stars aren't going to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: If you're getting three stars, It's like, WHOA, all right,

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Speaker 2: I like this. He's the kind of guy that goes

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Speaker 2: after two stars and by the time he's done coaching

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Speaker 2: them up, they're four and five stars. So that's a

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Speaker 2: huge credit to him. Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman Trophy winner,

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Speaker 2: did what you want a Heisman Trophy winner to do,

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Speaker 2: come up big when he needed to, and he did that.

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Speaker 2: As for Miami, it's going to get overlooked because I

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Speaker 2: think we looked at Miami like historically great program, while

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Speaker 2: Indiana historically a bad program. But Miami and Mario Christobal

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Speaker 2: did a great job this year to make the U

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Speaker 2: relevant again, and they had their opportunities. I just didn't

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Speaker 2: understand the coaching philosophy of the first half, the offensive philosophy.

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Speaker 2: They had sixty nine yards of total offense in the

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Speaker 2: first half, and they were in the game. They just

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Speaker 2: kept running the ball. I got Malachai Tony. I want

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Speaker 2: the ball in his hands twenty times.

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Speaker 3: I just got it.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, there's a chance that he could break

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Speaker 2: every time he got the ball. You go, oh, you

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Speaker 2: got to hold your breath if you're Indiana. But I

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Speaker 2: didn't understand unless they were saying, we don't want Carson

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Speaker 2: Beck to try to win this game. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: control the clock a little bit, maybe, but they just

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Speaker 2: kept running it up, running it up the middle, and

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Speaker 2: then you end up with sixty nine yards of total offense.

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Speaker 2: Second half, they opened it up a little bit and

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Speaker 2: Carson Beck had a couple of plays there in the end,

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Speaker 2: ended up with an interception. But give credit to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this for the last six weeks, just

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Speaker 2: how big this story is and growing up in the

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Speaker 2: Midwest and growing up in Ohio. If you were going

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Speaker 2: to schedule a school for homecoming where you knew you

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Speaker 2: were going to win or parents weekend, Indiana would be

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Speaker 2: tops on your list. And I couldn't help but think

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Speaker 2: of one person last night when this game ended, and

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Speaker 2: I thought Elite Corso, because coach Corso was there at

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Speaker 2: Indiana and did a really good job. But you're going

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Speaker 2: against Ohio State in Michigan, and here he is in

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Speaker 2: failing health but a big contributor to college football, college

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Speaker 2: game Day, and here he gets to witness Indiana winning

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Speaker 2: the national championship in football. So the biggest play here

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Speaker 2: is the interception. By Indiana to seal the national championship.

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Speaker 4: Here's the statback Beck looks, throws it down the field

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Speaker 4: and it is they are stucked by Indiana.

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Speaker 3: What to play? Then it is Jamari Sharp who comes

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Speaker 3: up with the big Jamari Sharp put what a play for.

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Speaker 2: Indiana and Indiana is gonna win this thing. And Sharp

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Speaker 2: is from Miami comes up with the interception. Fernando Mendoza

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Speaker 2: from Miami, and here is his touchdown run. Gotta get

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Speaker 2: to the eighth He's got takeoff on round.

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Speaker 5: Mentoza, please his wife first and.

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Speaker 1: Go diving todyan zone touchdown where you want my husband trophy.

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Speaker 2: Chris Faller with the call because you're watching and you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: he got the first down and then he just kept

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Speaker 2: going and then got the touchdown. But Miami was resilient.

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Speaker 2: They kept coming back, and Indiana knew that they weren't

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Speaker 2: blowing this team out. Home game for Miami, but it

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Speaker 2: was probably felt like a home game for Indiana. There

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Speaker 2: were a lot of Hoosiers there. But congratulations, Indiana football

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Speaker 2: has won a national championship.

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Speaker 6: Dude, you've been doing this a long time. You just

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Speaker 6: uttered that on national radio.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I never ever thought in my lifetime I would

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Speaker 2: say something like that, Indiana football has won a national championship.

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Speaker 2: By the way, DraftKings just sent me the title odds

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Speaker 2: for next year. Indiana and Ohio State have the same

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Speaker 2: odds plus seven hundred. Then it's Texas and Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: plus seven fifty Oregon, Georgia, LSU, Texas, tech A and

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Speaker 2: m Alabama and Miami. All right, eight seven seven to

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Speaker 2: All right, Seaton pull. Question for hour one is going

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Speaker 2: to be what.

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Speaker 7: The Indiana Indiana ball national title story is most similar to?

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Speaker 7: Paul laid out these options. Okay, miracle on ice, twenty

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Speaker 7: sixteen Chicago Cubs, the twenty sixteen Leicester City team that

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Speaker 7: won the Premier League, or nineteen eighty three NC State.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're putting a team on there, not Buster

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Speaker 2: Douglas beating Mike Tyson. Uh yeah, okay, because you can't

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Speaker 2: you could, I mean, the twenty sixteen Cubs worthy of

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Speaker 2: being put in here with this group.

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Speaker 5: I think futility for one hundred and eight years is

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Speaker 5: kind of similar. To the futility of Indiana football. But

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Speaker 5: I would say Leicester City, well, yeah, would be the

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Speaker 5: comp because they were a couple tiers down right Seaton

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Speaker 5: for years and years and years.

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Speaker 7: They had only been promoted a year or two before.

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Speaker 7: Winning the Premier League is a pretty big turnaround similar

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Speaker 7: to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but somebody did predict that. Leicester City, Hello,

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Speaker 2: hello Leicester, I called him Leicester City to Rebecca Lo, Dan,

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Speaker 2: I know Lester, I know we were at the NBC

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Speaker 2: studios and I remember, you know, they were talking Premier

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Speaker 2: League and the great host of the Premier League, Rebecca

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Speaker 2: Lo and I go, She goes, Dan, who do you like?

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Speaker 2: Can I go? I like Leicester City. It's it's Leicester City.

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Speaker 2: I said they're gonna win it this year. Yes, dud, I.

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Speaker 8: Don't want to be that guy, but I've kind of

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Speaker 8: been that guy at times with the show.

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Speaker 6: So I'm just gonna say it.

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Speaker 8: Can we overstate how big Indiana's accomplished it in the

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Speaker 8: history of sports?

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that we're overstating Indiana.

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Speaker 8: I'm saying we're not there yet, but we are on

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Speaker 8: the road to saying something like that. This in the

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Speaker 8: history of anything that's ever happened on a field or

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Speaker 8: a court or ice. This is the one.

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Speaker 2: Pauli's head's gonna explode here. Yeah, yes, Marvin, I got

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Speaker 2: to disagree, Fritzy.

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Speaker 9: This is probably the greatest turnaround in the history of Americans.

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Speaker 9: Like the Cubs, the Cubs were up and ready to

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Speaker 9: go to the World Series in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 9: Indiana wasn't like, Man, we were really close to winning

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Speaker 9: the Big Ten in football.

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Speaker 3: Never they've always a bottom fear.

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Speaker 9: Besides that one year with Antoine Randall l they've never

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Speaker 9: been anything to watch.

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Speaker 8: Yes, don We also have to distinguish opposite between turnaround

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Speaker 8: and upset. There's all kinds of words and phrases that

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Speaker 8: could get garbled with one another. This obviously is a

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Speaker 8: huge turnaround in two years, as opposed to Tyson Douglas,

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Speaker 8: where it's an upset. This wasn't something in the making

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Speaker 8: over a period of fights or something.

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Speaker 2: You're right about the turnaround like when you think about

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Speaker 2: turning around in two years, that's the remarkable part. Go

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Speaker 2: back over two years ago and look at a home

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Speaker 2: game at Indiana Football prior to Kurt Signetti, Like they're

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Speaker 2: playing Akron didn't they go three overtimes against like Kent

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Speaker 6: I think it was four against your zips.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go back and just get a picture of what

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Speaker 2: the attendance was like before Kurt Signetti got there. And look,

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Speaker 2: I said it. I'm sure many people did. Coming into

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Speaker 2: this year, I wondered who was going to be Indiana

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Speaker 2: and it turned out to be Indiana. It's a great story.

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Speaker 2: Once again, Indiana football has won the national championship.

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Speaker 8: Wow, April fol Oh, no, what's today?

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Speaker 2: Why are you a BUZZKILTA?

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Speaker 8: That's terribly I'm usually a pretty positive you don't happy

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Speaker 8: go look until I got like snarky and wise. Pauli

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Speaker 8: rubbed off, I'm getting sparky in my old age.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting very snarky. It was never like that back

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Speaker 3: in the day.

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Speaker 2: You are a negative guy.

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Speaker 8: The Indiana call of that touchdown?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing? This?

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Speaker 2: Didn't love that?

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Speaker 8: It was unfortunate. It's unfortunate. This guy's a legend, is

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Speaker 8: a great bordcast. Unfortunately he got tricked.

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Speaker 2: Into things he called. He called like, oh he's throwing

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Speaker 2: it and he's running it.

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Speaker 3: He's running it. It's a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: Why why are you doing this.

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Speaker 8: I was bummed for him because if I was a broadcast.

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Speaker 6: That's gonna be playing that.

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Speaker 8: Really it sounds like your we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 8: Indiana forever. We're gonna be talking about that call forever too.

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Speaker 9: I wad they go together.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but if if you watch that play, when Mendoza

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Speaker 5: goes back, it's the last thing anyone expected.

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Speaker 6: Herbstreet even broke it down.

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Speaker 5: The safeties are so far back they like jumped forward

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Speaker 5: and couldn't believe he was even going.

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Speaker 2: It was a great play, but the second effort to

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Speaker 2: get into the end zone, and uh, you know, I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: We got Chase Daniel on and he looks at more

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Speaker 2: film than anybody. A former quarterback watching Mendoza, I saw,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and say what I said a

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, only because a scout told me this.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't do anything great, but he doesn't do anything

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Speaker 2: that you bring into question, like it just he's clean,

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Speaker 2: but it you know, is he a little more athletic

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Speaker 2: a little stronger than you think. Is he a little

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Speaker 2: more accurate? Like he's got a lot of those, he's

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Speaker 2: a little more than. He's a little more than. All

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Speaker 2: I know is what a great reper reresentative that he

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Speaker 2: would be for any football team. Now that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: he's a franchise quarterback, but he's going to be the

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Speaker 2: number one overall pick. He came up when he needed to.

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Speaker 2: He had some big plays when he needed to. But

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to Chase Daniel about what he sees because okay,

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Speaker 2: they won the national title. This is about a bigger

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Speaker 2: picture of what happens next year, you know, when he

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Speaker 2: gets to the NFL. Ross Tucker, CBS Sports will join

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Speaker 2: us coming up as well. We'll get to your phone calls. Miami,

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Speaker 2: they have a head coach. They took the Packers defensive

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Speaker 2: coordinator Halfley, and the Titans hire Robert Sala. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a good situation for Robert Sala and Titan and

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Speaker 2: the Titans. His personality didn't do well in New York

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Speaker 2: and going to the Titans. I like the job, you know,

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Speaker 2: but once again, you have a franchise quarterback. I believe

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Speaker 2: you got a lot of cap space more than anybody. Now,

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Speaker 2: do you have the right people who will make these

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Speaker 2: draft picks and bring in these free agents. That's the key.

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Speaker 4: I know the inner workings that he's extremely smart. And

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Speaker 6: But you just really look at a couple plays.

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Speaker 4: against these defenses, to me, he's easily cemented himself as

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Speaker 6: It's not even question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not sure and once again, I know

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Speaker 2: And look, I would take that if I'm the Raiders

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Speaker 6: Well, and and I think a lot of people are.

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Speaker 3: Are you Dan?

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Speaker 4: That's why I was sort of hoping Dante Moore would

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Speaker 4: yeah he's not as polished, but the ceiling's much higher

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Speaker 4: when you get for Nana Mendoza, he's already so polished

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Speaker 6: You look at ceiling like how much better can you get?

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Speaker 4: And so when I'm breaking them down, to me, the

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Speaker 4: like I just love the way he plays like passion,

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Speaker 4: I think he's more athletic than you think. He's got

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Speaker 4: He's extremely smart, and I'm talking to some of these

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Speaker 4: Indiana coaches and They're like, you're exactly right on that.

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Speaker 4: He just knows exactly where to look versus pressure. He's

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Speaker 4: Progresses really well, he sees it really well, and mechanically

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Speaker 4: muddy pockets in the NFL. I think that's something that

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Speaker 4: three pass attempts, three sacks, right, and he ended up

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Speaker 4: getting going in the fourth quarter, But that's sort of

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Speaker 4: the early scouting report and it's just almost by default

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Speaker 4: because the Raiders need a quarterback and there's really no

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Speaker 4: have Ashton gent brock Bauers if you go out and

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Speaker 4: Zough is that offensive line is pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: I actually called so the ESPN had an alternative cast

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Speaker 6: We called both of CJ. Stroud's game up there in Bristol.

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Speaker 3: On the ESPN.

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Speaker 4: The appts the playbook game where it's analytics, so I

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Speaker 4: not great. Still took a lot of sacks. Still, that

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Speaker 4: then it's just the regression in the playoffs. It's one

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Speaker 4: of those things where if he's not seeing the first

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Speaker 4: turn the football over and expect to win. Right, He

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Speaker 4: And it's just I don't think that they're gonna move

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Speaker 4: gotta start looking elsewhere. You know, everyone remembers the rookie season,

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Speaker 2: And this is the danger that we see. We saw

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Speaker 2: this with Tua, We saw this with Kyler that I

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Speaker 2: gotta be sure if I'm giving you a couple of

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, I'm sorry, I might be hurting your feelings.

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Speaker 2: You gotta show me one more year. And even with CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: you might show me one more year. I'll franchise. Like

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm just not giving you that kind of money.

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Speaker 2: If you said to Miami you can do a do over,

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Speaker 2: So that temptation of or I'm going to hurt your

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Speaker 2: feelings if I don't extend you, Yeah, I'm sorry. This

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more In the way that it's situated

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Speaker 4: with first round picks. I'm sure a lot of people

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Speaker 4: you can technically go back to back franchise tags, so

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Speaker 4: lot of people don't do that a lot, Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 4: I think when you looked at and talked to Damiico

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Speaker 4: Ryans or when he had his postgame interview, he was like, hey,

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Speaker 4: that time, it's like, hey, we got to start looking

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Speaker 4: at Hey, what's in the draft, what's there, and what's

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Speaker 2: Chase Daniel ESPN NFL college football analyst and part of

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Speaker 2: the Athletics Scoop City podcast and host of The Chase

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Speaker 2: Daniels Show on YouTube. Would you have moved on from

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott in Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 4: I mean everything I know about Sean McDermott, I love him,

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Speaker 4: but I've heard as well. It's like you almost reach

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Speaker 4: Right when you get to the division round, you get

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Speaker 4: the AFC Championship around a couple of times, and you

437
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Speaker 4: lose to the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: You lose to. This was the year Dan that they

439
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Speaker 6: were supposed to do it right. They were playing really

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Speaker 6: good ball.

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Speaker 4: No Joe Burrow, no Lamar Jackson, no Patrick Mahomes, and

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Speaker 4: in the biggest game of the year, Josh Allen Lay's

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Speaker 4: an egg. And it's almost like, hey, you're really not

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Speaker 4: to blame, but we got to change leadership. Right when

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Speaker 4: you come back and I've been a part of teams

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Speaker 4: like this, Like when you come back to a team

447
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Speaker 4: after a big playoff run and you hear the same

448
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Speaker 4: message again, You're like.

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Speaker 6: Well, what's gonna change, right, what's gonna change?

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Speaker 9: We have?

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Speaker 4: We have, we have one of the best, if not

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Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks in all the NFL.

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Speaker 6: We have a decent team.

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Speaker 4: We've constructed an okay roster with Brandon Bean. But when

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Speaker 4: you come back as a player and you hear Sean

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Speaker 4: mcgermott say this is what we're gonna do, and it

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Speaker 4: really doesn't I'm not saying it doesn't change, right, I

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Speaker 4: know I'm not in that room, but it's just the

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Speaker 4: same message over and over again. You're expecting different results

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Speaker 4: that the definition's insanity.

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Speaker 6: It's a tough business.

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Speaker 4: I mean, who would have thought ten ten teams would

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Speaker 4: have been without head coaching jobs, and especially with the

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks that they have. So this is easily the most

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Speaker 4: important higher I think in Bill's history because you look

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Speaker 4: at what you have with Josh Allen everyone. I mean,

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Speaker 4: how do you think it would have played out with

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Speaker 4: Hardball and Stefanski?

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't think they go to their places.

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Speaker 4: I think they go to Buffalo because it's, without a

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Speaker 4: doubt of all the openings you have Josh Allen, And

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Speaker 4: it's just it's a tough business.

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Speaker 2: But if Sean McDermott a better coach, if Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: doesn't throw interceptions, that's a great point. I mean really

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Speaker 2: that's if they win, and then you're gonna have them

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Speaker 2: against New England. He might be going to the shore.

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Speaker 2: He's in the AFC title game.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's just so like there's

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Speaker 4: so many decisions in a game, right, Like what happens

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Speaker 4: if that's a catch rather than an interception?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, what happens. But here's the thing though, did.

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Speaker 2: You agree with Joel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean you're gonna get me. I thought it

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Speaker 6: was absolutely an interception.

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Speaker 4: He never controlled the ball going to the ground, that

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Speaker 4: the DB's hand was in there and the ball was

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Speaker 4: coming loose, so I thought it was I thought it

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Speaker 4: was the correct call.

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Speaker 2: You know what, finding players, former players think it's an interception,

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Speaker 2: where most fans think it's a catch.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, who do you trust, right?

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Speaker 4: I mean I think to me, it's like it's so

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Speaker 4: hard to understand what a what a catch is nowadays.

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Speaker 4: But you also look at McDermott, go back to McDermott.

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Speaker 4: You look at the decision at halftime with sixteen seconds

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Speaker 4: left to let Josh Allen throw the ball, Like, I

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Speaker 4: get it. But your job as a coach is to,

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Speaker 4: if you know your guy's going to be that aggressive,

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Speaker 4: to take the stinger out of his hands, say take

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Speaker 4: a knee, let's go, let's go, right, And I get it.

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Speaker 6: There's like five or six.

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Speaker 4: Plays dan in every single game, and sometimes ownership makes

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Speaker 4: rass decisions at that time. Like I think mcurermot's going

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Speaker 4: to get another job. I think he's probably the best

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Speaker 4: coach out there. But at some point the message just

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Speaker 4: gets still you got to move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see these coaches that you got Tomlin and

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh who couldn't get their team over the hump? What

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Speaker 2: makes you think they can get their new team, the

511
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Speaker 2: Giants over the hump, or if Mike comes back in

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Speaker 2: coaches over the hump. It just feels like there's there's

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Speaker 2: a couple of coaches who can get you there. But

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work if your quarterback's not great, or you

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Speaker 2: get a couple of bounces go your way. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of luck that that goes in,

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Speaker 2: you know, to survival here. But I mean, did Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: tune out Mike Tomlin? Did they tune out John Harbaugh?

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Speaker 3: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look like I was saying, I do think

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Speaker 4: the message gets a little bit stale. And it's some

522
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Speaker 4: point like it's almost like Andy Reid leaving Philly, right,

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Speaker 4: and and Sean Payton leaving New Orleans.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes you just need a change, and not only.

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Speaker 4: The change for the head coach, right, but a change

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Speaker 4: for the team as well. And you look at the

527
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Speaker 4: hiring cycles so far, and it's it's pretty interesting. The

528
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Speaker 4: first four head coaches all have prior head coaching experience,

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Speaker 4: so I know, happily with the head coach at BC.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's where a lot of these things

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Speaker 4: are moving now. I think you're gonna get into some

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Speaker 4: offensive coordinator hires.

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Speaker 2: All Right, is cam Ward a franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I think so, without a doubt.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting to see who who Robert Sala

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Speaker 4: brings in to be the OC, because I was really

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Speaker 4: surprised actually that they went defensive higher there when you

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Speaker 4: have your franchise quarterback, I think, without a doubt he does.

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Speaker 4: I think they need to completely renovate that entire offense.

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Speaker 4: I think they need a little bit better help offensively,

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Speaker 4: offensive line, the receivers. But what cam mood has shown

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Speaker 4: in the short amount of time, it's been great.

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Speaker 6: Now his.

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Speaker 4: Next step to me is how does he handle the

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Speaker 4: new offensive system right, because I wonder if they bring

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Speaker 4: in an offensive coordinator that's an under center, play action

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Speaker 4: type or are you going to bring in a spread

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Speaker 4: it out type style like Mike m.

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Speaker 6: Daniels. To me, makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean, think about what he has

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Speaker 4: and then think about cam Ward, who is a better

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Speaker 4: thrower in my mind of the football than in to

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Speaker 4: his offense with all those ships and all those motions

554
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Speaker 4: and all this stuff like that. But I've liked Kim

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Speaker 4: Mord every time I've seen him play, and he just

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Speaker 4: he's the least talked about number one pick in the

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Speaker 4: in the history of number one fix because he went

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Speaker 4: to the Tennessee Titans and they sucked and they hired

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Speaker 4: their head coach.

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Speaker 2: And so he was in the same draft with Shadoor Sanders.

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Speaker 2: So that's yeah, that's why he got over. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck had a really good year for New Orleans

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Speaker 2: and nobody talked about that either. So I'll leave you

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Speaker 2: with this. If you're Sean Payton and you got Jared Stidham, now,

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Speaker 2: how do you like, what kind of offense can you

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Speaker 2: have against New England?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I did the New England game up there

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Speaker 4: at ESPN two on the app and the altcast, and

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Speaker 4: and New England to me, defensively, they they do so

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Speaker 4: many different things to confuse the quarterback. When I'm out

572
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Speaker 4: there and I have the clicker and I'm just watching

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Speaker 4: it on my on my iPad, I'm like, what coverage

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Speaker 4: are they in? So imagine being on the field trying

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Speaker 4: to see this and you haven't started a game in forever.

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Speaker 4: The one thing about Jared Sidham as a quarterback, like

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Speaker 4: the team loves him and not only loves him, but loves.

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Speaker 6: What he could do. He He's played really well the

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Speaker 6: times he's done.

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Speaker 4: Here's one thing about Sean Payton, and this is talking

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Speaker 4: from a backup quarterback standpoint, where I've come in in

582
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Speaker 4: a short week's rest Thanksgiving Day twenty eighteen and was

583
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Speaker 4: able to go out there and play really well. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: as a backup, when you don't overthink it and you're

585
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Speaker 4: not trying to get so involved in the game plan,

586
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: you just go out there and play and just let

587
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: your adrenaline take over and just let your pure progression

588
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Speaker 4: passing take over.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 4: I think Sean, knowing who Sean is at his core,

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Speaker 4: he's gonna make this work. And I do think they

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Speaker 4: probably are more aggressive than a lot of people think

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Speaker 4: throwing the football. He's not changing the game plan that

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Speaker 4: I promise you that it is the exact same game plan.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna go in and look, probably take the quarterback

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Speaker 4: run out. They have to muster up some type of

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Speaker 4: run game. But I really think they're gonna be aggressive

598
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Speaker 4: throwing the football down the field, and I think City

599
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: plays pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff as always, Thank you, Chase, Thanks Dan. That's

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Speaker 2: Chase Daniel. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk

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Speaker 2: FSR to listen live. He's Ross Tucker The Ross Tucker

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Speaker 2: Football Podcast. He was in the booth for Westwood One

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Speaker 2: for the Bears and the Rams, and he'll be on

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Speaker 2: the sidelines for Seattle in Seattle for the championship game

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Speaker 2: with the Rams. Look at you. The parapatetic, Ross Tucker.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that word means.

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Speaker 2: You went to Princeton, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: You gotta give me your heads up. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what that word means. Is parapatetic? Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all over the place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm crazy parapatetic. I always have been.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a good thing you're all over and

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Speaker 2: you're covering college football.

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Speaker 3: Also, how many of the d how many of the

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Speaker 3: Dan nets right now could spell parapatetic?

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Speaker 2: Uh, Todd, I don't think so.

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Speaker 8: Once I'm spelling these in elementary school, I probably end

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Speaker 8: up selling like parapathetic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paulie, I tried in my head and I had

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Speaker 5: two things wrong in the personal four letters.

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Speaker 2: If you got the first letter right right, Okay, in

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Speaker 2: the last letter, see yeah, parapathetic not pathetic? Okay, ross

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Speaker 2: Uh Let's see where do you want? Let me start

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Speaker 2: in Buffalo, Sean McDermott got fired because.

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Speaker 3: Because the organization decided that being good was not good enough.

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Speaker 3: I actually think it's a fascinating dynamic when you consider

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Speaker 3: where Buffalo is versus what Green Bay is doing with

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Speaker 3: extending Brian Gudekunst and their head coach Matt Lafleur. I

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Speaker 3: don't really like I think, Dan, you can make a

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Speaker 3: strong argument for both instances. You know, and this is

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Speaker 3: something I think everyone listening or watching on Peacock can

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Speaker 3: relate to in life. Is being good good enough? Or

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Speaker 3: should you take a risk in life to strive to

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Speaker 3: be great? It's funny. I mean you could probably speak

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Speaker 3: to this as well with anybody. Dan, You would have

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Speaker 3: been good if you stay to ESPN. You know, you

640
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: would have made good money. Things would have been good there,

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: Like you would have been fine, But you took a

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00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: big risk because you wanted to do something see if

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00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: you could do something really special, and you've done that

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00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: with the best radio show in the world, right like,

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Speaker 3: you decided, you know what, just being good isn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to do something really, really great. And

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Speaker 3: I think on some level that's what the Ravens are doing,

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Speaker 3: and that's what Terry Pigula and the Bills are doing,

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Speaker 3: Whereas the Packers have decided that being almost good enough

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Speaker 3: or close is good enough. And I don't I'm not

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Speaker 3: begrudging them of that. But if you look at the Packers,

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Speaker 3: they've been just good enough to not be good enough

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Speaker 3: to get to the super Bowl for a long time now.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's been a long time. They've had high

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Speaker 3: level quarterback play and they haven't even gotten back to

656
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Speaker 3: a super Bowl. Whereas Terry Pigoula and the Bills said,

657
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Speaker 3: you know what, we want to try to win this thing.

658
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: And by the way, there's a risk. Maybe they hire

659
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Speaker 3: Brian day Bowl, maybe they go the wrong way, you know,

660
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Speaker 3: they maybe they maybe they have a chief season and

661
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Speaker 3: they win six games next year. This is a risk,

662
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Speaker 3: but it's one that obviously Terry Pigoula felt comfortable with.

663
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Speaker 2: What why did you have a problem with Sean mcdermot's

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Speaker 2: post press conference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well so, I think there's probably a couple of

666
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Speaker 3: reasons why he did that. I think in fairness to him, Dan,

667
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: he probably knew he was on the hot seat, and

668
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Speaker 3: so by going that strong on the officiating and the calls,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe he could for blame, get it off

670
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Speaker 3: of his shoulders, move it to the officials. Maybe that

671
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: would be enough to save his job, or maybe that

672
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: would be enough to even if he's gonna lose his job. Anyway,

673
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Speaker 3: Bill's fans will remember him fighting for Buffalo darn it,

674
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: and that the officials, you know, gave them a raw deal.

675
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Speaker 3: I just look, I have two young daughters, they're twelve

676
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: and thirteen. Now, I'm a huge believer in life, in

677
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: personal responsibility, personal accountability. You know, they're both playing volleyball

678
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 3: or tennis or whatever. You know. I don't like when

679
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: people blame others. I watched that game, you know, I

680
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: got the helmet right there. The Bills are my favorite

681
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: team that I played for, and I have a strong

682
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Speaker 3: affinity for the people in Western New York. Josh Allen's

683
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Speaker 3: probably my favorite player. But Dan, they need to play better.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, how much on Sean McDermott. He didn't

685
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Speaker 2: throw the interceptions, and he didn't fumble the ball a

686
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Speaker 2: couple of times. He didn't have a catch turn into

687
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Speaker 2: an interception. Like, what is it that he did that

688
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: was so egregious in that game where you go, we

689
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Speaker 2: got to get rid of it.

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Speaker 3: That's a fair point. And I don't think it's just

691
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Speaker 3: that game. I think it's just the compilation of all

692
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: of these years and there have been coaching issues that

693
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: were I think more noticeable in other years. And I

694
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Speaker 3: think they would probably even say to you that they're

695
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: not ready to be a wild card team, and for

696
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: the Patriots over the course of the season to have

697
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: overtaken them in the AFC East. But you're a thousand

698
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: percent right, Josh Allen. Not only the turnovers, but Josh

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Speaker 3: miss Dawson Knox for the game winning touchdown. He had

700
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Speaker 3: other misses in that game. And by the way, everybody's

701
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: complaining about Brandon Cooks and was it a catcher? Hold

702
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Speaker 3: on to the ball, don't let them rip the ball

703
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Speaker 3: out of your hand like that. To me, epitomizes our society.

704
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Speaker 3: You can either choose to say that's a catch we're

705
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Speaker 3: getting screwed. That's a raw deal. Or you can say

706
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Speaker 3: our guys should hold onto the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to blame the official instead of if

708
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Speaker 2: you hold onto the ball, you don't factor in the official.

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Speaker 3: Exactly correct. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Ross Tucker and he was there in the

711
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: booth for the Rams and the Bears, what did you

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Speaker 2: think of, Like, if you're the Bears coming out of

713
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Speaker 2: that game, you lose, but your feeling about the Bears

714
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Speaker 2: is going to be what next year?

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Speaker 3: Highly encouraged and optimistic because by far the two most

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Speaker 3: important individuals in any NFL organization as the head coach

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00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: and the quarterback. And I think you're feeling really good

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Speaker 3: about both those guys. And I've told you this before,

719
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Speaker 3: in particular your ability to get it done no matter

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Speaker 3: what the situation is late in games. I believe that's

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Speaker 3: worth a winner to a year, maybe even more. The

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Speaker 3: belief that is throughout that entire locker room, that entire building,

723
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Speaker 3: no matter what the score is in the fourth quarter,

724
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Speaker 3: they believe they've got the guys, the head coach and

725
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Speaker 3: more importantly the quarterback that finds a way to get

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Speaker 3: it done in those situations. I don't know how he

727
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Speaker 3: does it, and let me just say this, I'm gonna

728
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: call it right now. Dan would not be surprised if

729
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: there's a step back from the Bears next year. I

730
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Speaker 3: think you're encouraged, and I think if you're a Bears

731
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Speaker 3: fan like Paully, you should be encouraged. They're not gonna

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Speaker 3: win seven games in the final two minutes next year.

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna have by far the most takeaways and

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Speaker 3: be plus twenty two next year. The Bears next year

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Speaker 3: feel very similar going into the Sea as the Commanders

736
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Speaker 3: this year, in the sense that there's a lot to

737
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Speaker 3: be excited about, but you're probably gonna see some regression

738
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Speaker 3: in a couple areas to.

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Speaker 2: The means, Yeah, I think the Bears were a better

740
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Speaker 2: story than they were a team, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: But they got They felt like they got further than

742
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: they were expected to, maybe a year ahead, like the

743
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: Commanders felt like they were a year ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 2: You got the Rams now against Seattle again, how do

745
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Speaker 2: you think this one plays out?

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Speaker 3: I like the Seahawks, you know, I thought the Rams

747
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: were the best team most of the season. It kind

748
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: of feels like ever since the fourth quarter of that

749
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Speaker 3: Seahawks Rams game, that Thursday night game, whatever week that was,

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Speaker 3: fourteen or fifteen. Feel like the Seahawks have been the

751
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Speaker 3: best team. You know, Stafford has not played well under

752
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: pressure in these last two playoff games. Wait till you

753
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: play Seattle. I mean, those guys they come at you.

754
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: Leonard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence and Byron Murphy and Mike

755
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: McDonald's probably the best defensive mind in the NFL right now.

756
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Speaker 3: And I just think the Rams it feels like they're

757
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: running out of gas a little bit, whereas the Seahawks

758
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: came flying out of the gate. They're young, they're healthy,

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: they're playing at home. The only way, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: the Rams win that game is if the you know,

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Speaker 3: the disparity of quarterback is that significant. Well, Stafford has

762
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 3: to play MVP caliber and Donald has to be average

763
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Speaker 3: or below for the Rams to win.

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Speaker 2: It's incumbent upon Seattle to be able to run the football,

765
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Speaker 2: to put Sam Darnold in a position where he doesn't

766
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Speaker 2: have to be Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 3: No question, it'll be a little bit tougher. You know,

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Speaker 3: Zach Charboney torn acl you know, Charbonnay was huge against

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Speaker 3: the Niners Week eighteen. There's a lot to be said

770
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Speaker 3: for having that one to two punch. Walker's probably a

771
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Speaker 3: little bit more gifted, but he's injury prone. Can he

772
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Speaker 3: carry the entire load by himself for the entire game?

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Speaker 3: That that is one thing that helps the Rams out

774
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Speaker 3: a little bit, that the Seahawks don't have that one

775
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Speaker 3: to two punch to come at you in waves. And

776
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: those guys have different styles, so it's almost like two

777
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: pitchers throwing different pitches at you.

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Speaker 2: When you block for your quarterback. As a former offensive

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Speaker 2: lineman blocking for Bow Nicks blocking for Jared Stidham, is

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Speaker 2: it still the same?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the only difference would be Nix is

782
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: more mobile, so you're more aware of having to hold

783
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: your block a little bit longer. You're more conscious of

784
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Speaker 3: him escaping the pocket and making sure you don't get

785
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: called for a holding penalty, and so you're a little

786
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: bit more aware of those type of things. Stidham is

787
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 3: more of, you know, a classic pocket path. He can

788
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: move a little bit. I gotta tell you, Dan, I

789
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: don't think you would ever verbalize this, but this really

790
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: works out well for Sean Payton. From a coaching legacy, standpoint.

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Speaker 3: If they lose without bon Nicks, it's like, okay, look,

792
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: their starting quarterback got hurt. We understand. It's almost like

793
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: he's got a free roll of the dice. If they

794
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: win with Stidham, Peyton's gonna get the lion's share of

795
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Speaker 3: the credit, especially if they go on to win the

796
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl. For Sean Payton's Hall of Fame candidacy, for

797
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: his legacy. This almost couldn't have worked out better.

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Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. There was a moment with

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00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: two minutes left where an offensive lineman for Indiana last

800
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: night got called for a full start. When you go

801
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: into the huddle, how many times are you told by

802
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: your quarterback whatever you do, don't flinch, don't jump, make

803
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: sure you go a little later, not early. You must

804
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Speaker 2: not jump. And we saw that last night in a

805
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: moment that could have changed the National title game.

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Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the quarterback, depends on the composition

807
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: of the offensive line. I'm guessing that they mentioned it,

808
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: but you're a thousand percent correct. That could have been

809
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: and almost was the difference. It's interesting because nowadays in

810
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: the NFL, then on second and one in a clock

811
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Speaker 3: killing situation, sometimes the defense is they'll intentionally jump off

812
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: sides to give you the first down so that then

813
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: they can use the timeouts on the first like in

814
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: other words, they're gonna concede the first down because they

815
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: don't want you to have four or five plays to

816
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: finish the game. They only want you to have three

817
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: plays that you can decline it or whatever. If you're

818
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: that smart. And I was thinking that Miami might do that,

819
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: that's the counter argument. That's why you don't do that,

820
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: because they might drop the ball, the running back might slip,

821
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Speaker 3: or the offensive lineman might false start, which changed everything.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a false start story from your NFL career?

823
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Speaker 3: Uh, you know the one that I'm trying to No, Actually,

824
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: so I do have a couple of false starts. I

825
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: don't remember them being that big a deal. It is

826
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Speaker 3: a weird thing, though, because you feel like such a

827
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: dummy when you come back to the huddle.

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Speaker 2: Do you apologize? Do you apologize like you say.

829
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Speaker 3: You say my bad and everybody's just like idiots, you know,

830
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: because you're at the line. You're the only one that

831
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: did it. You go back to the huddle, Sometimes they

832
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: say stuff to you, sometimes they don't. It's interesting because

833
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Speaker 3: I thought I had a false start as a goal

834
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Speaker 3: line tight end once, but I didn't. I was just

835
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: laid off the snap because the people don't tell you

836
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: is when you're a center, obviously you can hear the quarterback.

837
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: When you're a guard you can too. You get to

838
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: tackle a little bit tougher when you're a goal line

839
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Speaker 3: tight end. I could not hear bledsall. I could not

840
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Speaker 3: hear the quarterback, so I was a little bit late

841
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: on that d end. He end up making the tackle.

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Speaker 3: We lost the game, probably the reason why we didn't

843
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: make the playoffs. No big deal.

844
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Save Travels is always the

845
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Speaker 2: parapatetic Ross Tucker, Thank you, Bud.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to write down how I think you spell

847
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Speaker 3: it first and then google it right now see.

848
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Speaker 2: Yeah Ross Tucker Football podcast. Following him on social media

849
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: at Ross Tucker NFL, and he'll be on the sidelines

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Speaker 2: for the game in Seattle, the NFC title game.