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Speaker 1: what to expect in this final episode. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be mentions of murder, domestic abuse, and addiction phist. There'll

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Speaker 1: be some distressing scenes. Oh and you guessed it, some

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Speaker 1: bad language. But you'll also get to see what the

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Speaker 1: future might hold for Kelly and how she's rebuilding her

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Speaker 1: life beyond prison. If you're affected by any of the

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Speaker 1: themes around domestic and gendered violence in this show, reach

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Speaker 1: website in the episode description. It's the twenty seventh of

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Speaker 1: April twenty twenty two. Kelly Harnett is in a familiar place,

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Speaker 2: She's on her way to court.

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Speaker 1: Over the past decade and some change as her case

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Speaker 1: slowly moved through the justice system, Kelly has made a

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Speaker 1: lot of similar journeys, but this time something is different.

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Speaker 3: I am not kidding. I thought I was getting kidnapped

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Speaker 1: She's been traveling for two hours She's alone in the van.

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Speaker 4: It was the most surreal feeling.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the van with no windows. I'm screaming at them,

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Speaker 1: finally getting resentenced. Kelly squints, blinking as the sunlight paws

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is Queen's Court.

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Speaker 4: It was like the most beautiful courtate you could ever imagine.

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Speaker 4: As soon as I walked out, she said, good morning,

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Speaker 1: You've probably already guessed, but this is Judge dBase.

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Speaker 1: Judge Dbs's son Eric died of a drug overdose about

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's over.

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Speaker 3: It's really, it's over. It's over.

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Speaker 3: She's like, yes, Kelly, it's over. It's over.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Kate is wrong.

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Speaker 1: Because Kelly might be getting out of prison, but this

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Speaker 1: story isn't for her, not by a long shot. I'm

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Speaker 1: Anison Field and from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: this is the Girlfriends Gelhouse Lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Episode eight, No Regrets.

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Speaker 1: After Kelly's triumphant court date, she gets sent back to

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Speaker 4: I was actually up all night working on someone's case,

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Speaker 4: because leaving also meant leaving people's cases behind. But I

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Speaker 1: Kelly slides a folder full of paperwork under her last

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Speaker 4: So so hard leaving everyone. I have so much survivor's skilled.

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Speaker 1: Just before she goes, Kelly divvys up all her precious

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Speaker 4: When it came out of the yeats, I remember screaming

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Speaker 1: Kelly's being released alongside three other inmates. As she watches

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Speaker 4: I felt bad because the other people had their family

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Speaker 3: They just wanted to be with my mother.

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Speaker 1: Kelly's mother, Kathleen, has been taken to Mount Sinai Hospital,

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Speaker 1: As a condition of her parole, Kelly has to go

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Speaker 4: The lady asked, what's your name? Who are you here for?

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Speaker 3: They look at the threes. She said, father's son in

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Speaker 1: Kelly practically runs down the hospital corridor until she finds room.

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Speaker 1: Stepping in, she can see four women in beds. She

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Speaker 3: That's my mother. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to run and go break down, but I said,

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Speaker 2: She's still not well.

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Speaker 6: That the first two weeks are the busiest weeks.

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Speaker 4: You're running all around, trying to get id, trying to

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Speaker 1: Kelly's release, her brother Ronnie, calls her up in a panic.

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Speaker 4: He said, mommy's not doing so good. I said, what

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Speaker 3: He goes, you have to come home here, and I

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Speaker 1: The month's breathing gets shallower. Kelly tells Ronnie to call

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Speaker 6: I called Ronnie and I said, what's happening. He's like, well,

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Speaker 6: the ambulance is here. They don't have a pulse.

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Speaker 8: God, please, please guy, please, I need my army.

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Speaker 3: I have so much guilt for not just breaking curfew

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Speaker 8: He needed me right, He needed me, and so did

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Speaker 6: Well, nowis asking for me on her deathbed?

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Speaker 4: You know we could laugh about it now, but I

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Speaker 9: Give me a cigarette. My mother loved to smoke, so

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Speaker 3: Always put cigarettes there for her.

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Speaker 6: Because she never got the one, so I always put

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Speaker 1: Kelly, maybe I want to laugh about it now, but

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Speaker 10: I was thirteen years of my life with my mother

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Speaker 10: because I wasn't here, because I was in prison for

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Speaker 10: something I didn't even get him do. It altered the

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Speaker 1: After Kathleen dies, Ronnie and Kelly have her cremated, just

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Speaker 1: like they did for their father, Danny, when he died

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Speaker 1: about twenty years before.

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Speaker 2: My mom.

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Speaker 4: When she used to get mad at him every once

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Speaker 4: you know what, throw those ashes out, and I was like, no, no,

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Speaker 4: we're not. When I was away, I told Ronnie, I said,

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Speaker 1: When Kelly gets back into their family apartment, she has

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Speaker 1: Kelly gently lifts them out, He sits out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you've finally happy that you're out of

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Speaker 4: Oh God, he would live too, if he was alive

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Speaker 1: They have to borrow money for their mom's cremation. None

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Speaker 4: When her ashes were finally delivered, Ronnie and I had

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Speaker 4: already discussed going across the street, a live across street

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Speaker 1: There's something about the girlfriends and the East River. No

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Speaker 1: metaphors for life and death amongst the rock waves. Maybe

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Speaker 4: First, we started with my dad, because we figured he

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Speaker 3: He's been very patient.

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Speaker 4: We started throwing his ashes and throwing rose petals, and

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Speaker 4: throwing his ashes, throwing rose petals, rose petals. All of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, I cannot explain to you the way the

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Speaker 4: water had changed. We had been there for at least

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Speaker 4: a half an hour already, not one solitary boat had

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Speaker 3: It almost looked like a pond.

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Speaker 4: As soon as we started throwing my father's ashes in

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Speaker 3: Was coming finally. And then when we finished with his ashes,

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Speaker 3: we went to my mom's.

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Speaker 4: My mom's was very calm to the contrary, and I

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Speaker 4: just kept throwing out rose petals and rose petals and

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Speaker 4: rose petals. Ronnie and I held each other's hands set

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Speaker 4: of prayer, and we thanked them for everything, and thanked

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Speaker 4: them before making us.

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Speaker 3: Into the people who we are today, and.

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Speaker 4: Thank them just for being our appearents and that we

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Speaker 1: We'll never know how Kathleen feels about her ashes being

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Speaker 1: scattered alongside her husband Danny's.

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Speaker 2: She did love him once.

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Speaker 1: Kelly still vividly remembers the pair of them kissing in

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Speaker 1: that hotel pool in Disneyland. But he's also the same

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Speaker 1: man who went awol from his family time and again,

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Speaker 1: who attacked his wife, wrapping a phone card around her neck,

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Speaker 1: causing her to get a restraining order. Still, I can

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Speaker 1: understand why Kelly would want them back together. Ask any

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Speaker 1: kid from a broken home, usually, deep down, their most

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Speaker 1: heartfelt wish is for their parents to reunite. Maybe Kelly

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Speaker 1: thinks that if she can bring her parents back together

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Speaker 1: in the river, the effect will somehow ripple out and

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Speaker 1: help heal the rest of her life.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe all this water's just going to my head.

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Speaker 1: Once Kelly's release from prison, she doesn't get to sit

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Speaker 1: some artsy British podcaster. She has to get back to

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Speaker 1: work fast so she can start rebuilding her life and

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Speaker 1: just as importantly, start earning. But that's easier said than done.

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Speaker 1: Part of Kelly's release agreement when her charge was changed

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Speaker 1: that she had to enter a new.

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Speaker 2: Plea of guilty.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't what she wanted, especially after spending over a

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Speaker 3: If you're entering a plea of guilty, you're saying you did.

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Speaker 2: It, but needs must.

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Speaker 3: I had to get home to my mother.

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Speaker 2: You have to do what you had to do.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, Kelly isn't exonerated in the eyes of the justice system.

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Speaker 1: She's legally admitted her part in the killing of a

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Speaker 1: man and that will stay on her record forever. So

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Speaker 1: while she's now free, she has to deal with the

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Speaker 1: price of that freedom for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get a job, for example, you can guess

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Speaker 4: The only jobs that I've gotten thus far have been

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Speaker 4: know what I am capable of, which is why I

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Speaker 4: was actually hired straight out of Bedford Hills. Like, while

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Speaker 1: But Kelly finds out this new job is only temporary.

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Speaker 1: Within four months, she's back looking for work.

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Speaker 4: I was under the impression that, due to my vast

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Speaker 4: hearing me out because of the fact that they see

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Speaker 1: It's October first, twenty twenty four. I'm back with Kelly,

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Speaker 1: who's in her apartment that she shares with her brother

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Speaker 1: Ronnie and her twenty five stuffed animals. I know that

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Speaker 1: jobs have been a big issue over the last kind

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Speaker 1: of few months. I just wondered where you're at with

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm actually currently trying to get work, and I've

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Speaker 4: when I open my emails every day, there are over

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Speaker 3: Sometimes there's three hundred without exaggeration. I go through everyone

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Speaker 3: would find youth Colm.

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Speaker 4: So I have a full time job right now of

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Speaker 1: Despite helping to get several women out of prison, Kelly's

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Speaker 1: After her release, she attended and graduated from a Columbia

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Speaker 4: Actually, speaking of which, I had gone on a job interview.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say the company's name, but it's

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Speaker 4: I didn't see a reason why I wouldn't get it,

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Speaker 4: and I believe they did not either. They congratulated me

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Speaker 4: That's when my heart hit my stomach.

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Speaker 3: I cried, and I cried, and I.

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Speaker 4: Cried for weeks. I still cry. There's never a week

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the truth.

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Speaker 4: It is not even over the conviction at this point,

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Speaker 4: or at least I don't think it is. If I

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Speaker 4: I was when I was in there, I think I'll

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Speaker 3: But that's what kept me going my work.

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Speaker 4: When you take my work from me, now I don't

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Speaker 4: have anything.

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Speaker 1: It's not just that Kelly's imprisonment and subsequent parole is

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Speaker 1: impacting her job. Hunt is that the new life she

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Speaker 1: And I'm about to find out that Kelly's freedom is

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Speaker 1: ready to slip away from her.

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Speaker 11: At a moment's notice.

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Speaker 12: Hime, now you can do good. Thanks to see you again.

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Speaker 12: It's such a crazy to say.

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Speaker 3: After you guys left yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, out of nowhere first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: When Kelly was released from prison in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: she was originally sentenced to five years post release supervision

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Speaker 1: aka parole. But just like in prison, you're able to

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Speaker 1: get time off for good behavior.

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Speaker 12: Every thirty days that you abide by all of their rules,

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Speaker 12: which is curfew, have a job, be in the programs

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Speaker 4: So what it really boils down to is if you're perfect,

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Speaker 4: like I was, you want to hear fears that you do.

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Speaker 1: Kelly's worked hard to get her parole time down so

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Speaker 1: she can live her life on her own terms. Now

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Speaker 1: I have to check in with some state sanctioned babysitter

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Speaker 1: every couple of months. She's due to finish on November fifth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, about a month on from the date

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Speaker 1: Kelly's parole officers stopped by her Visit was unexpected.

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Speaker 4: I was like, is she trying to like catch me

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Speaker 4: Let me see if I can catch her like She

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Speaker 2: It was one of the conditions of her parole.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I took anger management, and she's asked me

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Speaker 4: she proceeds to ask me where my certificated. I was

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Speaker 4: never given a certificate. I was told that it was

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Speaker 4: to be given to my parole officer by the man

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Speaker 4: who was conducting the program. Then she asked me, well,

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Speaker 4: what else were you supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: Tune a half years later, it feels weird that it's

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Speaker 1: her parole officer asking Kelly this, like, shouldn't she know.

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Speaker 1: Kelly was also originally supposed to enter a twelve month

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Speaker 1: substance abuse program, but given that by the time of

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Speaker 1: her release, she had been clean for over a decade,

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Speaker 1: it was decided that this program could actually do Kelly

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Speaker 1: more harm than good, so she was given an exemption.

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Speaker 1: She says that this was outlined in a letter, but

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Speaker 1: her parole officer is sounding unconvinced.

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Speaker 4: So she said, well, we don't have that letter, so

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Speaker 4: I'm freaking out.

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Speaker 3: I said, well, where is it? She said, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I need that.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you can't get him WI, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to do the programs again.

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Speaker 3: And acted like it was nothing. Yeah, you're just gonna

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Speaker 3: have to do the programs again.

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Speaker 4: That would mean that I would still be on parole

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Speaker 4: at least nine months past my date. I had the

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Speaker 4: biggest nervous breakdown that I've had since my mother passed away.

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Speaker 3: I was screaming to the top of my lungs.

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Speaker 4: I broke down because being on parole is not actually free.

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Speaker 1: Kelly's only hope is to track down her first parole

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Speaker 1: officer who can confirm that she's completed all the programs

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Speaker 1: she needs to.

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Speaker 3: Devastated, I don't know. I don't know where I stand

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Speaker 3: with anything.

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Speaker 4: They got way too many years out of me already.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry they just caught me on a day like this,

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Speaker 4: but that's unfortunately where I'm at today.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, but that's really hard. I hope this your first

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Speaker 2: officer would be able to help. I hope so too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's my only hope.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think the best solution for today is

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Speaker 1: to not do.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the And I was gonna ask you

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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we move it to another day and if

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Speaker 1: you're around on Saturday, we have a free day.

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Speaker 3: Then are you doing okay? Because I said, that's Ronnie.

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Speaker 1: I said, I've been busy this whole time trying to

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Speaker 1: tell you a story, a nice, juicy narrative with a

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Speaker 1: satisfying ending. But this isn't just a story for Kelly.

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Speaker 1: This is her life and she's living it every single day.

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Speaker 1: As far as reality checks go, this one's about as

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Speaker 1: subtle as a punch in the face. I actually don't

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Speaker 1: see Kelly in person again after this. Her and Ronnie

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Speaker 1: got COVID and I went back to London with no

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Speaker 1: ending to my story. As soon as I got home,

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Speaker 1: I tried and failed to set up a few more

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Speaker 1: interviews over zoom, but for some reason or another, Kelly

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Speaker 1: would often end up dropping out. I'll admit I laid

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Speaker 1: awake at night worried these back to back cancelations may

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Speaker 1: actually be because this was all too much for Kelly,

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Speaker 1: revisiting her traumatic past when her present is inches away

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Speaker 1: from falling apart. So I gave her some space. A

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Speaker 1: few weeks later, I give Kelly a call. The first

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Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask you about was if you'd

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Speaker 1: had any kind of update on the parole officer malarkey.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So after I had that whole nervous breakdown when she

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Speaker 4: stated that basically she had nothing on me, which means

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Speaker 4: that every.

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Speaker 1: Solitary Kelly goes on in a way that I've become

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Speaker 1: used to, outlining all the issues with the parole board,

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Speaker 1: how she had to track down her former parole officers

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Speaker 1: and course leaders, all the pages of evidence she put together.

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Speaker 1: If left uninterrupted, I honestly think she could go on indefinitely.

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Speaker 4: Really call on to question the integrity of the parole officer.

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Speaker 3: How could you not.

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Speaker 1: Have She's not just talking, It's like she's testifying, like

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Speaker 1: every day is her court day.

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Speaker 2: It makes me feel a little sad.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, they'll make her a fucking great lawyer one day.

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Speaker 1: Eventually I get the answer I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 3: Now I speak to you today as a free woman.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Oh congratulations, Kelly, Thank you so much. You

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Speaker 2: must feel so relieved, so relieved.

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Speaker 1: Now that the shadow of her parole has finally passed,

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Speaker 1: Kelly can start to plan her life and hopefully build

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Speaker 1: a future for herself.

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Speaker 2: What's like the what's the dream for the next five years?

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Speaker 4: The next five years, I would say the dream is

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Speaker 4: for me to find a paralegal job, one that is permanent,

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Speaker 4: and to climb the ladder within that firm, and I

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Speaker 4: know that I would climb the ladder very quickly. I

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Speaker 4: also would love a chance to give back to people

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Speaker 4: in prison. Honestly, where I would start if it were

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Speaker 4: up to me is Rikers Island, because they don't realize

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Speaker 4: how important the law Library is, and it was always

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Speaker 4: empty when I was there. So I feel that if

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Speaker 4: given the chance, I would like to even possibly work

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Speaker 4: at Rikers Island at the law Library.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, wouldn't that be a bit much for you?

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Speaker 4: No? No, because I want, especially the women to understand

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Speaker 4: their cases.

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Speaker 3: I think I have a mission from God.

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Speaker 4: I think I was put here to save souls by

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Speaker 4: getting people out of prison. That sounds like an insane statement,

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Speaker 4: but that is my belief at this point.

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Speaker 1: I came to the story thinking I knew what to expect,

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Speaker 1: but I couldn't have been more wrong.

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Speaker 2: I was searching for.

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Speaker 1: A clean, easy truth, and I had all these preconceived

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Speaker 1: notions of what it means to be a victim. But

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Speaker 1: when Kelly didn't fit into the role I tried to

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Speaker 1: assign her, it made me question everything about her and

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Speaker 1: a lot about myself too. I've obviously interviewed a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in my life who have had amazing experiences

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Speaker 1: that are extraordinary, But I've never met anyone.

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Speaker 2: Like you who.

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Speaker 1: All of your stories, they're often kind of shocking and

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Speaker 1: like they're almost sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Hard to believe.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to believe that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I say that all the time. There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of insane stories.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm not going to apologize for what

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Speaker 4: it perceives to be miraculous stories.

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Speaker 3: What I will tell.

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Speaker 4: You if you fail to understand them or even believe them,

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Speaker 4: then unfortunately you're the one missing out. And I think

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Speaker 4: that you need to pray more and have more faith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: I can safely say that I have never met anyone

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Speaker 1: like Kelly Harnett before. Kelly is loud and disruptive. She's

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Speaker 1: a former drug addict who's exercised violence on multiple occasions,

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Speaker 1: both in self defense against violent partners and in prison

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Speaker 1: as a way of letting other inmates know that she's

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Speaker 1: not to be fucked with. Her battle for survival has

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Speaker 1: been messy and at times ugly. She's told me so

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Speaker 1: many stories that made me want to grab her by

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Speaker 1: the shoulders and tell her to stop making herself look

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Speaker 1: so bad. So yeah, Kelly Hannett is no perfect victim,

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Speaker 1: but you can't call her a villain either.

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Speaker 2: She's a loving sister, a loyal friend.

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Speaker 1: I can't deny she worked fucking hard, even if you

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Speaker 1: don't believe her account of the night Angel Vargas was murdered.

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Speaker 1: If you think she did kick him, or that she's

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Speaker 1: somehow more culpable than she says, does that discount everything

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Speaker 1: she went through at the hands of her brutal boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: or everything she's achieved in the years following.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it does.

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Speaker 1: Kelly, a survivor of the most devastating trauma and abuse,

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Speaker 1: taught herself the law inside and out as a jailhouse lawyer,

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Speaker 1: first in Rikers and then in Bedford. She brought hope

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Speaker 1: to women who had been through helen back, women whose

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Speaker 1: entire lives had been an endless cycle of abuse and violence,

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Speaker 1: who often ended up trapped in terrible situations they were

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Speaker 1: too scared to leave, and who did whatever it took

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Speaker 1: to survive. She even helped some of them gain their freedom,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately she freed herself.

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Speaker 2: But for Kelly.

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Speaker 1: That freedom has come at a high price. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not just talking about the years she lost behind bars.

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Speaker 1: Her legal admission of guilt leaves a kind of scarlet

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Speaker 1: letter hanging permanently around her neck, branded for life as

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Speaker 1: a criminal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that feels like justice to me.

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Speaker 1: I can't sum Kelly up in a sentence or even

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Speaker 1: in a whole frickin' podcast, But maybe that's the lesson

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Speaker 1: I need to take from this, that my job is

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Speaker 1: just to tell people stories, not to neatly package them

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Speaker 1: into categories, into victims or villains or anything else. So

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Speaker 1: who is Callie Hornette really, Well, that's between her and

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Speaker 1: the heavens.

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Speaker 7: We are currently in immeagular Conception Church, and I've been

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Speaker 7: coming here since I was ten years old. We're currently

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Speaker 7: standing in front of the sole representation that americular Conception

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Speaker 7: has of Saint. There's my Saint that has gotten me

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Speaker 7: through literally life, and it's a stainless window of her.

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Speaker 5: It's showing her.

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Speaker 1: The window shows Saint Therez her hair covered with a

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Speaker 1: circular halo around her head. There are beams of heavenly

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Speaker 1: light all around her. Her face is pale, and she

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Speaker 1: has wide chestnut colored eyes.

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Speaker 2: Close to her heart.

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Speaker 1: She's holding a crucifix and a bouquet of roses.

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Speaker 2: As Kelly gazes up at her, she clasps her hands

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Speaker 2: in prayer.

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Speaker 5: Sanctuaries.

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Speaker 13: I do implore you to please send a shower of

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Speaker 13: roses from the heavenly gardens as a message of love

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Speaker 13: for the loss of Angel Ruben Bargas, and I'd like

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Speaker 13: to pray for not just him and his soul, I'd

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Speaker 13: like to pray for his entire family and their souls

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Speaker 13: as well. I think of him.

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Speaker 3: All the time.

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Speaker 13: If he's my angel, thank you for sending me my angel.

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Speaker 13: But at the same time, it's very it's very bittersweet

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Speaker 13: because I don't want any one's life to be taken

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Speaker 13: away because of me. So please also hold that with me,

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Speaker 13: for it is too hard and too heavy for me

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Speaker 13: to carry alone, and ask God to hold it for me.

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Speaker 13: I want to thank you for everything and for giving

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Speaker 13: me the strength to go through everything that I've gone

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Speaker 13: through and to be able to get those women out.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for allowing me to save a few souls

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Speaker 13: just like you saved so many.

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Speaker 14: Thank you for choosing me for that job. I have

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Speaker 14: no Regrets.

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Speaker 1: the whole team at WME