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Speaker 1: It is the original Port Stewart course. I've always wanted

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Speaker 4: and it's the Open.

438
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Speaker 1: I get it.

439
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Speaker 4: There's thousands of people in town. The guinness wasn't very good.

440
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: It wasn't as good. There's a bunch of drunk idiots.

441
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: But I'm not center around.

442
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bomber wasn't around. Like I'm not suggesting it's like

443
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 4: that every July when there's not an open, but there's

444
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: not the American tourist element in March. I don't know

445
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 4: if you found that to be sort of more of

446
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 4: an advantage disadvantage.

447
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: I was.

448
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: I've been working on another guide on Fife in St

449
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: Andrews area, and obviously the first time I went there

450
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: was the Open Championship, and then this spring i went

451
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: and something that I think about like that I would

452
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: recommend to anybody that's going to Saint Andrews And this

453
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: will be probably a future podcast, but I would really

454
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: recommend going when school's in session because there's like an

455
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: added energy to that town when there's when the university

456
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: is in and it's just I don't there's something about

457
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: like college towns that I find like really like wonderful

458
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: and versus like when I went Peak in the summer,

459
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: it's just peak tourism and we went in April this

460
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: year and April's the driest month in Scotland. But also

461
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: it's like not when it's just jammed with visitors, it's

462
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: a little bit slower, and I think that really lends itself.

463
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: It's easier to get into the restaurants you want, it's

464
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: you interact with more locals, which to me is what

465
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: I want. In particular, when we went to Northern Ireland,

466
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: all the courses hadn't opened their visitor tea times yet,

467
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: so we were literally, you know, for for better or worse,

468
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: we were picked out like store thumbs by locals, so

469
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: they knew they were all Everybody was asking us what

470
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: the hell we were doing there because they knew that

471
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: this was not a tourist time, but it was you know,

472
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Speaker 1: there's I think, like the generation, the travel generation right now,

473
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: like the travel trends, people are seeking out authenticity and

474
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: authentic experiences and genuine experience, unique experiences, and I think

475
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: when you go to these places when they are a

476
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: little less busy, it lends itself to a little bit

477
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: more of culture. And I think like one of the

478
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: like super underraty things is like when you have a

479
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: little bit less daylight, you're less inclined to play as

480
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: much golf, and that also lends itself to you feeling

481
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: better and also experiencing more things outside the.

482
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: Golf, more discovery.

483
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah we did that.

484
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Speaker 4: I mean we played golf till ten pm at Port

485
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: Stewart and it's like all right, now we got to

486
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: find dinner, right and we were lucky to find our

487
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: way to Michi. I will say, like Port Stewart, you

488
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 4: probably need to add that front nine. It's for the

489
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 4: American it's Lamaanya was like, oh, this is the greatest

490
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: golf course I've ever seen in my world, ever seen

491
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: in the world. He's walking off, like, you know, I

492
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 4: think this is better than narcd Like it makes an

493
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: impression from the dunes. It's worth going just for the

494
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: impression it will leave you with. But yeah, we had that,

495
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: and and I don't know, I think going to Northern Ireland,

496
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: I have Irish ancestry. I was keenly aware of the troubles,

497
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: keenly aware of like what that like, is this place

498
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: like in turmoil?

499
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: Is it dangerous?

500
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: And all these things, and that that was sort of

501
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 4: its identity right for a long time, we Joseph had

502
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: no sense of that had no idea that like much

503
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: of that background. I think some of us when on

504
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: our first trip weren't to weren't.

505
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Aware of that background.

506
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: And I think you go now and you know it's

507
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: there's a matter of fact details that you're in a

508
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: different country, right, there's the currency, there's a license place,

509
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 4: there's all that stuff. But you know, there's no sense

510
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: of turmoil or anything like that. You see it right away.

511
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: There's different flags flying all over the place. There may be,

512
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: you know, an undercurrent of tension. I think, like, you know,

513
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: they know who's who and what's what if you're a local,

514
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: But I didn't really sense at this point it's part

515
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: of their history of recent history. But it wasn't anything

516
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 4: that was imposing at all on the trip, and it

517
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 4: feels much more open to that kind of tourists tourist trip.

518
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: I would. I would recommend anybody that goes this was

519
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of on my list. Anybody that goes to Northern

520
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: Ireland read, especially Americans, read Patrick Radd and Keith rad

521
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and Keith's book Say Nothing So honestly like one of

522
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: the best books I've ever read, and it's all about

523
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: the troubles. He does like an incredible job of kind

524
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: of weaving these different kind of stories together. But it

525
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: I was reading it while we were there, and it

526
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: was a you know, I was having trouble sleeping because

527
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't put the book down. And I think like

528
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: just in general, like when we talk about non golf

529
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: things like one of the things that I would like

530
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: to go back there and a lot of like the

531
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: black taxi tours and explore that kind of history. Uh more. Uh,

532
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: it was obviously like a very difficult time for that

533
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: that area, but you know in terms of of history,

534
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a it's a fascinating kind of

535
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: moment and in a troubling way obviously with what was

536
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: going on, but you know, the history of of that is,

537
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, just something that after reading that book, I

538
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: I would like to and talking to locals, I think

539
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: like that's another part of of the local aspect of

540
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: being there and talking just interfacing with with people from

541
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: the area, is you just learned so much about about

542
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: that time, and uh, it's definitely part of their history

543
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of the big reasons why Port

544
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Rush wasn't in the Rota for a number of years.

545
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: And and why Northern Ireland it was not considered a

546
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: golf destination until you know, the recent coupled last decades

547
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: is is this is a golf destination that I think

548
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: is emerging and and becoming more and more popularized as

549
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, more time passes from from the trouble. So

550
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: it's impossible to talk about the area without you know,

551
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: understanding that history. And I think Belfast, like we stayed

552
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: in Belfast our last night, I was coming down with

553
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: some sort of plague, but we still went out. It

554
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: was the plague hit really when I was on the

555
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: on the plane home, which was which was a disaster

556
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: in itself, but the I think Belfast was a place

557
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: that I would have liked to spend some time too.

558
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: And that's you know, another option of where you center

559
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: your you know, some of your stay is Belfast, where

560
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: there's great restaurants, an emerging night life scene and some

561
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: really nice hotels.

562
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Belfast. We visited Hollywood, which I thought was

563
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: cool experience to see Rory and Rory's obviously not even

564
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: more of a prominent figure having won the Grand Slam.

565
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: I thought that was cool. I don't know if anybody,

566
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: maybe if you're arrange it in advance. I don't know

567
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: if you can just be like pulling up like it's

568
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: a museum. It's still a golf club. But that was

569
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: cool on the outskirts.

570
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably could be completely.

571
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: Honest maybe, Belfast, I feel like you could go have

572
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: lunch there. You were getting sick, Belfast. I you know,

573
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: we kind of we stopped on our way in the

574
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 4: impression I get is that it's it's still trying to

575
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: figure its way up and it's a little drab. And

576
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: you hear that from people down south, who you know,

577
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: make it seem like you're going to Siberia and it's not.

578
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: There's good food, there's gas stations, there's life, there's self service,

579
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: all these things. But people down south did recommend dairy,

580
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: like people like fancy folks. We got to know a

581
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: little bit who might have some discerning tastes, said Darry.

582
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: Is a cool time and a cool weekend up north,

583
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: and we were about another what is it like another

584
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: thirty forty five minutes past Castle Rock and Will Knights

585
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: went there later at a subsequent time, and it has

586
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: dairy journals and guides up for that that will include

587
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: in our guide, which is mostly food, drink, golf in

588
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: Port Rush, Portstewart and Newcastle. But Dairy came highly recommended

589
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: from people down south, with some discerning taste as a cool,

590
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: cool place to go with a good night life. And

591
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: I think Belfast if you are interested in this sort

592
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: of massive historical struggle in recent history, which is an

593
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: interesting it's not enjoyable, it's tragic, but it's an interesting

594
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 4: history to study it on the list, Belfast is worth

595
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: kind of stopping on your way through or for multiple

596
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: nights going from Port Rush to Newcastle or vice versa.

597
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: So all right, well you got anything else, No, I'd

598
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: say go read. It's hard. This is society today. Not

599
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people read. But that's probably the best

600
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: place to convey a lot of information.

601
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: It's bite sized nuggets too. I'm not gonna hit it

602
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: with the wall of text. You can read quickly if

603
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: you want.

604
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: Put any stay aways there in there.

605
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: I you know the pizza place.

606
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: In Newcastle that everybody which you know, I recognize that

607
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: everybody told us to go there, like the locals who

608
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: know the scene told us to go there. Maybe we're

609
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: just the American outliers. But I mentioned that it was

610
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: just crowded.

611
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I love I feel like sometimes telling people not

612
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: to go places is more powerful than telling people where

613
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, that is true.

614
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: Just want to be cognizant of maybe the mob pa

615
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: that might be on the other end of such a thing.

616
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: But yes, like Ziggy's and Saint Andrew's, that's a stayaway

617
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: from me. I tell everybody that goes do not go

618
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: to Ziggy's.

619
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: All right, the ribs, What did you think? Did you

620
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: find anything that was super overrated or not that great?

621
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you're playing golf and looking to fill up.

622
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: There's stuff that I've ranked higher than others, right, And

623
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, the Remore has such a stranglehold on Port Rush.

624
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: They like own the whole all the restaurant group, like

625
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 4: Harbor Bar, Harbor Bistro, the Italian Pizza Place, the Remore

626
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: Wine Bar. They own like the entire thing. And I'm

627
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: just fresh off the open where it was like that

628
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: was the only place you get any table. So I

629
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 4: think that could kind of constrict variety in a way.

630
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 4: I enjoyed going to the Harbor Bistro, which is the

631
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: food place attached to the Harbor Bar, But I just

632
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: I thought it felt like sort of a monopoly on

633
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: the whole town.

634
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Honest earnest recommendation, gas station sausage rolls on the way

635
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: into Port Rush. There's a gas station from town a

636
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, pretty good, ernest opinion. Pretty good.

637
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like Texas where the gas

638
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: station food isn't isn't vile. You know, Texas, you stop

639
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: at a gas station, get some barbecue. That's that's fine. And uh,

640
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Northern Ireland stopping at that in Port Rush stopping at

641
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: that gas station on the way into Port Rush and

642
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: getting a sausage roll, big line of people. Good spot.

643
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good spot.

644
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: We went in there multiple times after working at Port

645
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: Rush late we stopped there. The only other thing is

646
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: like staying feels like Airbnb is the way to go

647
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: on both sides, Port Rush, Newcastle, Port Stewart, or or

648
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: a vacation rental service Newcastle.

649
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Obviously you got the Marine in Lawn the sleeve donner,

650
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: which comes with some access to RCD, but you know

651
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: you're paying through the nose on that.

652
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: So it's a taste of American private equity in Northern

653
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: Ireland is what it is.

654
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: And that's fine.

655
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Speaker 4: It's still the authentic build like it's the same spot

656
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 4: where it's always been. We had a lunch in there

657
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: on the way to the golf course last time through.

658
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: It's cool, sat in some high leather, high back leather

659
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: chairs and had a good lunch.

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Speaker 1: But you brought up American private equity. I will say

661
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: one of the charming aspects of Northern Ireland because of

662
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: its recent you know history, is that it's had less

663
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: time to have American private equity ruined places. There is

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Speaker 1: a raw authenticity to the area because of the you know,

665
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: it was not a place that people wanted to dump

666
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: money for a number of years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're building and Galgoram is building the

669
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: first new course in some decades, like decades, maybe fifty

670
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: a long time, probably another several miles west of Castle Rock,

671
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: which is like this big development. So they're seeing the

672
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: demand for tea times just I think that element is coming,

673
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: is what I say.

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Speaker 1: It is.

675
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: So so we'll say, sure sleeve.

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Speaker 1: Don If America is great at one thing, it's it's

677
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: putting money into far flung destinations and ruining them.

678
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Speaker 4: So but it's awesome. It's a fabulous spot right now.

679
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: I think it will maintain it's some of its authenticity

680
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: and independence. Highly recommend a trip there. We think it's

681
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: within reach. We of course go into all the golf

682
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 4: courses too, whether it's you know what we saw walk

683
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Speaker 4: in the Valley course to Dunloose RCD.

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Speaker 1: We have those in depth real quick. And that one

685
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: other thing that we haven't hit on is our glasses.

686
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: Not my favorite golf course in my opinion, stunning some

687
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: stunning we used, so it's like pretty crazy, not really.

688
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: I would not characterize this as a well designed golf course,

689
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: but it's it's visually stunning. And the other thing I

690
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: will would hit on is that the town is a

691
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: really cool place to stop and have a have a

692
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Speaker 1: guinnocent Yeah.

693
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Speaker 3: The arms the arms bar yeah.

694
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Speaker 1: By by Shane Lowry's former caddy now now TikTok's. It's

695
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: a favorite influencer. Min Lulie's caddy, Beou Martin.

696
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: He's staking it.

697
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. I see him and all of his kids in there.

698
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: If you if you're there at the right time and

699
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: just you know, rubbishing around.

700
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Speaker 4: I think our glasses worth the whatever. It was thirty

701
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: five forty minute detour from Newcastle, Like if you're up there,

702
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: you know, hit the town, get over there, you want

703
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 4: to play. It's it's stunning. It's different, different kind of cliffs, holes,

704
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: seaside holes inland hills. Elevation changed a little different, different

705
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: taste for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it could be if you get it on

707
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Speaker 1: a windy day, it'd be about as hard as it

708
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: could cat that day. We however, so the first hole there,

709
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Get tea off from the back of a

710
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: castle over at Bay and the day we were playing,

711
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: it's just blown like thirty five miles an hour and

712
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: it was about forty degrees out.

713
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Speaker 4: It's one of those couldn't hear the person next to

714
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Speaker 4: you unless I didn't.

715
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Speaker 1: Want to get out of the van. That day, it

716
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: was like had some flashbacks to some junior golf rounds

717
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: in like early spring or late fall where you're just

718
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: like you're you're sitting in your carts early in the

719
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: morning and you just don't want to get out because

720
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Speaker 1: you know how cold and windy it is. Yeah, but

721
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Speaker 1: we did it. It was good.

722
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Speaker 4: We got we got through those first few holes when

723
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Speaker 4: it was at its worst. So good, good experience. Yeah,

724
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Speaker 4: it's a great trip, great trip for obviously for many Americas,

725
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 4: and you have those two pillars that draw people there,

726
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: but I think there's just a lot more once you

727
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: take it, so hopefully the guide hits on some of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for joining, Thanks for talking Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 1: dot com. All right, let's get to will Knights. Who's

740
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: going to talk to us about the Sand Valley area.

741
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: I guess it's not really an area. Who's going to

742
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: talk to us about Sand Valley? William, Welcome on, you

743
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: are coming to us from the state of Wisconsin to

744
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: talk about I think what's become Wisconsin's premier golf destination,

745
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: Sand Valley. You wrote up our Sand Valley Guide. I've

746
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: got a soft spot a little story time for Sand Valley.

747
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: When I started this business, it was late twenty fifteen,

748
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: and then in twenty sixteen I started to go to

749
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: golf courses to write about golf courses. And one of

750
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: my probably like really my first real golf trip with

751
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: fried Egg. The first like golf course I wrote about

752
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: was was Sweeten's Cove, but I visited there while I

753
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: was at a wedding, you know, it wasn't like a

754
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: real golf trip. The first real golf trip that I

755
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: went on was with a couple buddies, you know, under

756
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: the guise of Friday, was to Wisconsin and we played

757
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: University Ridge in the morning, and then we drove to

758
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: Sand Valley to do the Preview Loop, which at the

759
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: time I think was eleven holes of golf, maybe twelve

760
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: holes of golf, and they were operating out of a trailer.

761
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: And so this was twenty sixteen, summer of twenty sixteen.

762
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: Now we fast forward nine years and the resort I

763
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: just like every time I go back, I'm amazed at

764
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: how much growth, how much bigger it is, And it's

765
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: just a great memory of for me when the business,

766
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: our business was in the nacient days and their business

767
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: was in the nascient days, and it's just always I

768
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: always reminisce, And it's been amazing to watch that resort.

769
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: And obviously you're a Midwestern Midwesterner at heart, even though

770
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: you live on the East coast now, like, it's been

771
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: just amazing to watch that kind of resort grow and

772
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: populate and become super popular with all the masses in

773
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Speaker 1: the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: It's funny to say that because I think Sand Valley

775
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: was actually the first trip that I ever took under

776
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: the guys of Frida Egg as well. It was like

777
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: very early when I started writing for you, like on

778
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: the side of my day job, and I reached out

779
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: to you. I was like, Hey, is this Sand Valley

780
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: place like worth checking out? This was like before I

781
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: knew anything about golf courses or golf travel, and you

782
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: helped me get me set up with a buddy, and

783
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: so I think we went up there the week that

784
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: Mammoth Dunes opened, and so it's been very similar to you.

785
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: I have a very early memory of what that resort

786
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: looked like. And now when my first trip, the main

787
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: lodge was built and like Craig's Porch was established. But yeah,

788
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: it's been kind of crazy that in the last eight

789
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: years it's gone from a very immature operation to one

790
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: of the most bustling places in the Midwest. And the

791
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: fact that just about everyone from around the country now

792
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: wants to come to Wisconsin to see this resort is

793
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: pretty amazing.

794
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the last place you would expect these

795
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: massive sand dunes. And obviously Craig Haltam, that's why it's

796
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: called Craig's Porch, had found this land and then got

797
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: the Kaisers involved with it, and it's Michael and Chris

798
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: Kaiser's operation, and they've done an incredible job of growing

799
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: it and delivering a world class golf experience, which all

800
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: stems from their belief of kind of presenting golf as

801
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, in its truest form, and you know, using

802
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: extraordinary sand dunes and credible playing conditions. I think, like

803
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: when I think about Sand Valley, they've got some really

804
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: great golf courses, but all the golf courses are amplified

805
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: by the incredible turf operation they have where they have

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: some of the best playing conditions in the world, and

807
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: particularly in America. The turf is just so firm and

808
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: fast that it amplifies all the architecture that they have there.

809
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the things that always

810
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: sticks with me is the is the is just the

811
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: turf there, and it's a world class surface.

812
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: The sound that the ball makes when it hits it's

813
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: really every golf course out there, but especially like the

814
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: newer ones when you play lead over Sedge Valley or

815
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: even Sandbox, because you're so close on some of those shots.

816
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: The trampoline nature of that stud is. I mean, there

817
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: is not another place in the Midwest that I've heard that.

818
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: And every time you return, like you play every golf course,

819
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: it is as firm and fast as it was the

820
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: last time you were there. I think what a lot

821
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 2: of people, especially people who are like a nervous looking

822
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: at the weather, like if there's rain in the forecast,

823
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: if it rains overnight, like you're not going to know

824
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: that when you show up the next morning. It just

825
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: absorbs it so well and they have their their maintenance

826
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Speaker 2: practices to your point are incredible. Every single golf course

827
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: is at its highest level all year round when they're open,

828
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: and yeah, like getting to play those firm conditions and

829
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: experience that sound is something that you can't find many

830
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: places around to the Midwest.

831
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Speaker 1: So the golf there has expanded. The Sand Valley Course

832
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: is the original course. I think this is this will

833
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit different than the previous two conversations

834
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: on this podcast, where you have like a surrounding town

835
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, it's pretty remote. You can venture out,

836
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a brave soul, I would recommend

837
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: trying to find a supper club. That's kind of a

838
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Wisconsin tradition. If you wanted to go off site for

839
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: a meal, find a local supper club. That's a time

840
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: honored Wisconsin tradition that is worthwhile pursuit. But I would

841
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: say that most people are just going to stay on

842
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: site and there are dining options there. Let's just talk

843
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: about the golf real quick. You have the Sand Valley Course,

844
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: which is the original core Crunchhalk course, that was the

845
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: first golf course that was built there. Then they built

846
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: David McClay kids Mammoth Dunes. This is the most popular

847
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: golf course on the property. It enthralls people with low

848
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: scoring opportunities, and you know, it's a big course. There's

849
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: dramatic dunes. It's a very well routed golf course because

850
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: it gets through some really dramatic pieces of the property.

851
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: And I would say, you know, it probably is the

852
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: course that takes the longest to play, just because you

853
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: traverse so much property on it. The third course that

854
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: was built was Sandbox, a seventeen hole part three course

855
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: by Core and Crenshaw. Then they have the Lido and

856
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: Sedge Valley. Those are two of the newer options. The

857
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: Lido is a private club. You can get access to

858
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: it during the week in certain t time blocks, but

859
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: the access is limited, so you're not guaranteed it if

860
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: you're staying at the resort, but you have to stay

861
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: at the resort in order to get access, or you

862
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: need access through a member. And then the final in

863
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: the Sedge Valley is obviously a Tom dok. It's a

864
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: sub seventy pars. We've had so many discussions with Tom

865
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: about this golf course on this podcast, but it's a

866
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: really fun golf course, really neat piece of land. And

867
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Speaker 1: then the newest design is the Comments, which was a

868
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: collaboration with Michael Kaiser and Jim Craig, a longtime Core

869
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: and Crenshaw associate. It is another kind of the idea

870
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: of fast golf round would come to mind. And I

871
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: think what's neat about these these golf courses is they

872
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of like quicker afternoon options or morning options.

873
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: One of the things I like is they have three

874
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: really big golf courses in Lido, Sand Valley and Mammoth Dunes,

875
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: but they also have three golf courses that can be

876
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: played in much shorter periods of time and sedg if

877
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: you're in the morning, particular on Sedge in the afternoon,

878
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: it kind of takes the same amount of time. Commons

879
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: and the Sandbox, you run all of our events and

880
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: we have, you know, had an annual event every year

881
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: at sand Valley. How have you been going about like

882
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: laying out itineraries there?

883
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: So I think with any golfers already kind of there's

884
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: kind of a learning experience that goes with these and

885
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: as they add new courses, like my preference for how

886
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: we set those up has changed, and it will change

887
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: even further with the addition of the Commons starting. I

888
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: think they're going to allow some previewplay this fall and

889
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: then really get going in twenty twenty six. But the

890
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: idea that I am starting to tell people and what

891
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: I lay down in the guide is as you as

892
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: you mentioned like the three big courses, like if you

893
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: want to take on two of those in one day,

894
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: like have a it, that is your prerogative. You're welcome

895
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: to do that, but you're going to be like extremely tired.

896
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: So if you do Mammoth Dunes, I would say you

897
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: can definitely do that and paired with another golf course,

898
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: but just know that this is your big day of golf.

899
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: An important note, you know versus like Bandon, Bandon's never

900
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: getting above seventy degrees Scotland. Similar like the temper, the

901
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: temperate climate, one of the things to be prepared for

902
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: is this Midwest summer can be very hot and humid,

903
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: and that's it's taxing. You played numerous USA I'm thirty

904
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: six hull qualifiers in your childhood or in those days

905
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: could be really taxing in thirty six holes. That Sand

906
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: Valley can be taxing if you play both the big courses.

907
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Definitely, and like it's not impossible by any means. But

908
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: I think what I would tell people is, if you're

909
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: going to play two of Mammoth, Sand Valley, and Liedo

910
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: in the same day, just like just understand what you're

911
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: getting into, and you kind of have to plan it

912
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: around Lido if you're playing that round. But what I

913
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: would say is, if you're playing Mammoth and Sand Valley

914
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: the same day, I would do Mammoth in the afternoon

915
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: when you're like on the more tired side because you

916
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: have that more forgiving off the t space and it's

917
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: like you're probably still going to be able to score. Okay,

918
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: Although we did have someone at our event this year

919
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: he shot sixty five in the afternoon on sam Valley

920
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: after playing Mammoth in the morning, so he shot eight

921
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: shots better on Sand Valley, but it was his career

922
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 2: low round. So in general, when I'm scheduling a trip

923
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: to Sand Valley, I think I'm trying to avoid doing

924
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: two of those three on the same day if possible,

925
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you kind of have to

926
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: work around what Leado tea times you have. I think

927
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: moving forward with the three kind of different options you

928
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: have with Sedge Valley, the commons and sandbox. You kind

929
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: of have the option to do like an alternative day

930
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: where you play all three of those in once and

931
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: you wouldn't ever be tired at the end of that.

932
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: It would be three like very distinct unique kinds of golf,

933
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 2: and I think it would be a super fun day,

934
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: like something that you can't really experience many places in America.

935
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: So that's something to consider. But I think in general,

936
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: if you're pairing a mammoth with a sedge or a

937
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: mammoth with a sandbox, you're going to have two or

938
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: three of those days and you're going to get out

939
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: of there like feeling pretty good. At Like at Bandon,

940
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: it's such a remote destination that you kind of know

941
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: that your legs are going to be tired. You're playing

942
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: thirty six every day. There's not really an easy walk

943
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: out there. Branch is a little bit easier.

944
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: Than the other sportier, but it could be a little

945
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: The elements can wear you out out there because you're

946
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: just like it should be just exposed.

947
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: I think the only yeah, and the only element that

948
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna get. And you kind of mentioned the humidity

949
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin like can get you and if you're like

950
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: playing Lido in your orst Mammoth really, like if you're

951
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: in the sand all day and you're trudging through that, like, yeah,

952
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: your legs are gonna get a little tired. But I

953
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: think those are the only things that I would really

954
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 2: consider when trying to pair thirty six holes out there.

955
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people go up there and

956
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: they have time for a second golf course. This is

957
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: a common question with bandon trips too, What's what's the

958
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: golf course that you play if you could, if you

959
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: were up there and we'll take Lido out of this,

960
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: because it's unlikely you're gonna play Lido twice. I would say,

961
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: if you have the chance to play Lido twice, that's

962
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that you're gonna learn. Is gonna

963
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: be the most revealing if you get to play it

964
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: a second time. But if if we take Leedo out

965
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: of it, of those, which of those golf courses would

966
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: you play a second time?

967
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: I think right now I would lean Sedge because it

968
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: is so different when you're on opposite sides of the fairway.

969
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Not that Mammoth and Sand Valley aren't, but I think

970
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 2: the architecture at Sedge does reveal itself in multiple rounds

971
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 2: of golf, and you can play different teas out at Sedge.

972
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: It's not a very long golf course, but if you

973
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: can you can move forward and move back. There's kind

974
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: of some hidden tea boxes out there if you want

975
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 2: to really start poking around. So I think that's a

976
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: golf course where, especially if the wind changes in the afternoon,

977
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: you could really get some different stuff out there. I

978
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 2: don't know that I would play it. I guess we're

979
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 2: probably not talking about playing it twice in the same day.

980
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: But if the pins change out there and you play

981
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: it back to back days, you're going to see a

982
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: completely different golf course. And then if that's not your

983
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: cup of tea and you want to play one of

984
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: the other two, like, I wouldn't blame you by any means.

985
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: I think it just kind of depends on what you're

986
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: looking for. If you want to like just go make

987
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of birdies and have fun with your buddies,

988
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: then like go play Mammoth Dunes twice. But if you're

989
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: looking for more of a championship test, I would definitely

990
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: do more of a look at Sand Valley or Sedge

991
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: for that second round.

992
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I think one of the things

993
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: that Sedge has and why I'd probably pick it. I

994
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: do really like the Sand Valley course a lot, and

995
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: I think it kind of gets slept on a little

996
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: because it's just the first one, and you know, Mammoth

997
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: Was is such a commercial hit. I think one of

998
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: the things I appreciate about Sand about Sedge is I think,

999
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: like the strategy sense like people love to like, you know,

1000
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: I would say that I romanticize strategy, So I'm saying

1001
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: myself when I say this and others strategy, you know,

1002
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: you have that like lines of charm, like right and

1003
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: left side. I think like where Sedge is right pretty

1004
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: fascinating is there's a lot of distance strategy in sense

1005
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: of do I push up near the green because there

1006
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: are a lot of shorter par force. Do I push

1007
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: up near the green or do I lay back? And

1008
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it. You know, like you

1009
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: can play a hole and you can push it up

1010
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: near the green and you can be like, oh, I

1011
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: do not want to be here, and then you want

1012
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: to play it a second time because it's like I'm

1013
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna hit three iron off this tee and that golf

1014
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: course has a lot of variability and how you can

1015
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: play the holes from a strategic sense of of club

1016
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: selection off the tee. I'm not talking about lines, but

1017
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: club selection off the tee. So I think that is

1018
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: that's probably the course that I would play a second

1019
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: second time if I uh, it's probably the course. Like

1020
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think they are like these like there's

1021
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot of differences in golf courses. And I've said

1022
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: this a lot on this podcast, Like there are like

1023
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: dramatic like golf courses that you you know, if you

1024
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: had one course, one round left in your life, you

1025
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: go play this golf course. But then there are also

1026
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: like the you know, golf courses that you'd like to

1027
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: play over and over and again. And I think Sedge

1028
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: falls into that bucket, like it would be a delightful

1029
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: place to play every day of your life.

1030
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: I think the other fun part about Sedge, especially you

1031
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: don't have to be a good player, but like because

1032
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: you look at the scorecard and you see fifty eight

1033
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: hundred or fifty seven hundred and par sixty eight, like

1034
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: you think you're going to put like a low number

1035
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: up there, and the most of the time that's not

1036
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: going to happen. It's going to sneak up and bite you,

1037
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: and you're going to get towards the end of the

1038
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: round and you write down whatever your score is, or

1039
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: you're going to play a match and you're going to

1040
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: say like, like I really just want to give that

1041
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: another try. There's shots out there that I can do

1042
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: better this time, Or I would love to play different

1043
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: match against somebody from a like they pulled off the shot,

1044
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: I want to try to pull that off now. There

1045
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: is there's also like the walk element to it. I

1046
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: think they did a really good job with the environment.

1047
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: When you're out at Sedge Valley, just walking through the

1048
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: section of four or five, six, seven is so compact

1049
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: and tight and it's just a really neat kind of hillside,

1050
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: and then you get out into the expanse of nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

1051
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: and each of those different sections is such a unique

1052
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: experience and kind of feels very different than the rest

1053
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: of the resort and it is a really cool place

1054
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: to go back to multiple times.

1055
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you hit the nail on the

1056
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: head there. Let's talk a little bit about about food

1057
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: dining options there. They have obviously the Mammoth Bar. They

1058
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: have Aldos, which is like a kind of their high

1059
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: end restaurant. They have the New Gallery, which is a

1060
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's like an Italian restaurant. It's it's hoppened.

1061
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: It's in the Tennis Center. And then they have Craig's Porch,

1062
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: which is up at the top that's right at the

1063
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: first tea of the original sand Valley course. What are

1064
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: your what are your favorite places to eat and drink there?

1065
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: I think you Also we also got Bill's Barbecue over

1066
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: by the sandbox, so they've done a really good job.

1067
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: I think, as you haven't ever had Bills barbecue, this

1068
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: is oh well, this might be the one place I

1069
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: haven't eaten there.

1070
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: There you go, so, yeah, has just sandwiches.

1071
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: It's very simple. If you're over there, you can get

1072
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: just a sandwich. It's good though, Yeah, you know for sure.

1073
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a little little bar. I think for

1074
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: my what I put in the guide was my recommendations

1075
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: for breakfast and lunch are to kind of save your

1076
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: pennies and go to Craig's Porch or have breakfast sandwiches

1077
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: at the golf courses. Because you can go out to

1078
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: Craig's porch and get tacos for a dollar, or you

1079
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: can be on Sedge Valley and when you're I mean

1080
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of an inopportune time, but they're halfway house

1081
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: is right by twelve Tea and they have these hand pies.

1082
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: I think they're called salcitas. I might might be butchering that,

1083
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: but they're effectively like a really large amponada and they're

1084
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: also a dollar. You can get breakfast sandwiches at Craig'sport

1085
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: for three bucks, so if you want to.

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: I think one of the one of the best things

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: to do when you're there, and this is someone that

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01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: I think like one summer I might have been up

1089
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: there like eight or nine times. One of the best

1090
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: things you can do early in the morning is just

1091
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: wake up, walk up to Craig's porch, sit down and

1092
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: enjoy breakfast sandwich while the sun's coming up.

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01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: It's so peaceful up there and you can kind of

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01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: just watch people. You go off one and just like

1095
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: go down that hill and it's such a really nice

1096
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: view of just like golfers walking out into the expanse.

1097
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: It's really neat and the other so other food and

1098
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: beverage notes would be also at Craig's Porch, like ice

1099
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: cream sandwiches up there, you can kind of get care

1100
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: away pretty easily. And then at so at Bill's Barbecue,

1101
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: it's a really cool spot because you're overlooking the Ninth

1102
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: Hole on Sandbox, which is basically the putting hole, and

1103
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: there's all so much ground action that's it's basically dinner

1104
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: and a show over there. They have this massive walking

1105
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: taco which they put in like a free Doo's bag.

1106
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: It's it's not like the walking taco you had at

1107
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 2: Little League.

1108
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: It's like had side.

1109
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: So I mean it's terrific, so really good spot. And

1110
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: then I think the the Aldos and the Gallery are

1111
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: interesting because they are like the Gallery seems like super

1112
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: imposing because it's this big tennis building, but then you

1113
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: go in there and they have like family style pastas

1114
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: and pizzas and it's really inviting and just this big

1115
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: kind of food hall. And they do a really good

1116
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: job with the drinks that are offered in there, and

1117
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: if you're if you're looking at the wine lists, they

1118
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: have different wine lists between the restaurants. So the one

1119
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: of the Gallery is like very focus on Italian lines

1120
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: because they're paring it with pastas and pizzas, and then

1121
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: you go over to all those and it's kind of

1122
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: more paired with the meats and poultry that they got

1123
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: over there. So they really did like a job of

1124
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: kind of setting you up for each individual experience. And

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01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: then the bars at Mammoth Bar is great. And just

1126
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: to have some cheese curds and spotted cows at the

1127
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: end of the.

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Speaker 1: Night or cheese curds are a rack.

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: You know.

1130
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: Do you have any stay aways? Do you have any

1131
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: stay aways? Is there something that that just doesn't do

1132
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: it for you?

1133
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it might just be like my stomach

1134
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But in the Mammoth Bar, they offer

1135
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: a buffalo cheese curd and that's just like super not

1136
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: for me. So it's I mean, I'm.

1137
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: Sure I like the buffalo cheese curd.

1138
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: No, it's just like they taste amazing. But then if

1139
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to have that on a hot day and

1140
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: then go out and play golf, it's just like, I mean,

1141
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: it's Wisconsin in general, like you just got to get

1142
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: used to the cheese kind of thing, but the buffalo

1143
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: in particular are delicious. Just kind of make sure you're

1144
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: prepared and ready for it.

1145
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: I will I will say I think the Sandbox Twilight

1146
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: Round late nights, it's an incredible scene out there, it

1147
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: just ain't it's not for me anymore. It's gotten too slow.

1148
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: It is so packed now yeah, yeah.

1149
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: It just has gotten and for me at that point,

1150
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm tired from the day and one

1151
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: thing I'm not interested in is really slow golf. I'd

1152
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: rather just be like chilling at that point, and I'd

1153
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: rather like, for the amount of time I'm gonna invest

1154
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather go I I don't know if they still

1155
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: do it. I'd rather go play the six hole Sand

1156
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: Valley loop than like play an insanely slow round of

1157
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: the Sandbox. That would be I'm just gonna this is

1158
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: my This is my personal opinion. I also think, though,

1159
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: if you're playing an eight s and it's like all

1160
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: your boys and you're like, that can be an amazing

1161
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: experience too, So I get it. For me personally, it's

1162
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: not my jam. I'd rather just like hang out and

1163
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: talk or go play like six holes at the sandbo

1164
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: or at the sand Valley because they have a nice

1165
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: little sick hole looper they at least used to that's

1166
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: like incredible, like and there's nobody out there and I

1167
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: can just I can hit all the shots, I you know,

1168
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: So anyways, that's me. That's my stay away. A couple

1169
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: other things that I would recommend as someone who's spent

1170
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: like an exorbitant amount of time there, I would recommend

1171
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: if you have free time, if say you're staying off

1172
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: site and you have like one of the weird tea

1173
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: times that's a little bit later, which a lot of

1174
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: people do, and it's not like I would say, there's

1175
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: a lot of things you can do there that make

1176
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: it worthwhile to do that. A couple of things I've

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: done that I would recommend swimming. They have some lakes

1178
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: go swimming. It's honestly delightful. Another thing, the trails are

1179
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: pretty cool. As someone who's like hoofed it out to

1180
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: drone there so many times in my life I've taken

1181
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot of those trails. They're pretty cool. And they

1182
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: do these bikes on trails. So like recommendation, like if

1183
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: it's full, I know there's like a lot of angst

1184
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: about like it fills up. It's a lottery system. I

1185
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: don't think it's the end of the world. If you

1186
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: stay off site and you book these non peaked times

1187
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: because there is stuff to do, grass court, tennis awesome.

1188
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: This is not like there is a world if you

1189
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: did the house rental where this is not a crazy

1190
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: thing to do with your family. It's not crazy like

1191
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: it's remote, like you could tone down your golf and

1192
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: there are activities. The biking, the swimming, the tennis are

1193
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: all pretty awesome. And I think that's one of the

1194
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: things that's unique about about Sand Valley in comparison to

1195
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: Abandon is that like there is some family activities that

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: is going to make it, like I think probably in

1197
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: ten years, a pretty interesting family destination. And the lakes

1198
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: are like fun to go in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they just kind of built the new

1200
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: one over by the Commons and the lake also over

1201
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: by Sand Valley. They're amazing freshwater lakes and definitely would

1202
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 2: recommend that. The biking is is fat tire biking, which

1203
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 2: I've never done it. Have you done it at Sand Valley?

1204
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean it looks super fun, so it's a very

1205
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: different kind of experience.

1206
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where like if you don't have like it's

1207
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. If you're only

1208
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: playing one round golf there because there is other stuff

1209
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: to do they have. They have a small gym too

1210
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: if you're into that, if you want to do that.

1211
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: But like, there's such good outdoor activities to do out there.

1212
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: The one other thing I'd love to hit on is

1213
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: so getting there. People fly into O'Hare, people flying to Milwaukee,

1214
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: people find a Madison a couple of recommendations on the

1215
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: way up, Eagle Springs, a nine hole Mompa golf course.

1216
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: If you're coming from O'Hare, it's worth the stop on

1217
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: the way up. It's awesome, it's memorable. You will you'll

1218
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: never forget the first two holes. Laws Sonia obviously is

1219
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: at the top of my list of places to go

1220
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. And it's not like necessarily out of the way,

1221
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: it's not super convenient. And then I would just say,

1222
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 1: if you if you're flying and you can fly direct

1223
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: into Madison, that's the ideal way to get to get

1224
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: up there. And so I would you know, that would

1225
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: be the ideal. I think most people will fly into O'Hare.

1226
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: Minneapolis is another option to fly into, but those would

1227
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: be my res for getting up there. Will thank you

1228
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: for writing this guide up people can read it on

1229
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 1: the website. Any parting thoughts before you get out of

1230
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: here on Sand Valley.

1231
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: No, I think you hit it on the head. I

1232
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: think I should mention that I am currently in Green Lake, Wisconsin,

1233
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: next to las Sonia, and we talked to people on

1234
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: the putting Green that are driving to Sand Valley this afternoon,

1235
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: so they stopped at Lawsonia on the way, So I

1236
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: would just echo that. I think stopping at Eagle Springs

1237
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: and or laws Sonia, or if you want to tag on,

1238
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: like you could do a day in Madison. It's a

1239
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: wonderful college town.

1240
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: You could pair it go on the lake.

1241
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that's a terrific town. You could even like

1242
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: get over to the New Glares Brewery which is out

1243
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: that way. I mean, there's a lot to do in

1244
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: Wisconsin if you really want to make a big trip

1245
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: out of it, and then you can always pair it

1246
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: with Aaron Hills or Whistling if you want to kind

1247
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: of get out of the way. But I think doing

1248
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: non golf activities mixed in just makes this trip even

1249
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 2: that much better.

1250
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: You hit on Madison. I used to work. I had

1251
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 1: one of my jobs before this. I with like intertwined

1252
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: in restaurant and hospitality scenes. And one of the places

1253
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,440
Speaker 1: I would go occasionally for work trips is Madison. Wonderful

1254
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: place to spend a.

1255
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: Night in the summer, especially like they have those like

1256
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 2: concrete stairs where you can just grab a beer. It

1257
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 2: is unbelievable over there.

1258
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would uh, great bars, great great food. Also

1259
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: like good concert good concerts come there. Like don't sleep on,

1260
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: like planning the stop on the way up if you

1261
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: and like say you can't get accommodations a certain way,

1262
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: don't sleep on, like look at the show list if

1263
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: you're into music. And because Madison gets like legit bands

1264
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: that come through there, so uh yeah. And if you

1265
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: if it's the fall, obviously you get the school in

1266
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: session and there's even more stuff going on.

1267
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 3: It's right.

1268
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: You can watch the batteries beat up on the Alina.

1269
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh get out of here. We're we're we're a dominant force.

1270
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: And badgers aren't beating up on the line I anymore.

1271
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: Those days are gone. We got Burt, you know you

1272
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: got to Yeah, we got we got their former coach. Uh.

1273
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: You know, the stories of Bert and Madison are amusing

1274
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: if you if you find the right, people. But uh

1275
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, the days of Wisconsin beating up on on

1276
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: on Illinois might be by gone.

1277
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: That's okay. We there's still still worth a stop in Madison.

1278
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: And uh hell if you could even just drop the

1279
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: kids off at Wisconsin Dell's if you really want to

1280
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 2: and then go on a golf trip. So if there's

1281
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: if the water parks scene is what they're after, then

1282
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: there's a right option for you.

1283
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: That's right, the Dell's. All right, Thanks Will, we'll talk dude,

1284
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: and thanks for all your work with the with the

1285
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: events and and making those run uh uh smoothly and

1286
01:11:48,160 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: uh and and shown everybody an awesome time. Absolutely, all right,

1287
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: let's talk about our partner viewery. Uh. I gotta say

1288
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: personal personal testimony right here. I'm about to be on

1289
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: a on a heavy red eye kick and I took

1290
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: my first Red Eye of this run the other day,

1291
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: and I wore the viewery dream Nick Jogger. I've I'm

1292
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: I'm a jogger guy. On I saw there was a

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Speaker 1: let's get back to the pod. All right, Let's get

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Speaker 1: to Abbie Libenthal, who's going to talk to us about Pinehurst,

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: the Pinehurst area. I think the expression is it's always

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01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: a lovely day in Pinehurst. I'm not sure it could

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01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:50,480
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I'm excited to bring in our resident expert,

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Speaker 1: our head of Marketing, Abby Libenthal, who happens to live

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Speaker 1: in the Pinehurst area. So this is a great honor

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: to talk about somebody's hometown. I guess do you call

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: it your hometown when you live there but you're not

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01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,839
Speaker 1: from there? These are all questions that we can figure out. Abby.

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Speaker 1: Welcome on the Friday Golf Podcast for the first time.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, first time, longtime fan, and I think partially

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01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 5: would be upset with you saying it's a lovely day

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Speaker 5: in Pinehurst.

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:19,959
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful day in Pinehurst.

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: Beautiful, Yeah, beautiful day. Do you have any clarification on

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: the hometown versus yeah, where you live.

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Speaker 5: I don't tell people that my hometown is Pinehurst. I

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 5: tell them it's like where I reside.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, Yeah, if you went off pro golfers, they

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, the tournament's list hometowns, and it's generally where

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: they live.

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01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 6: Now, a lot of sea Island.

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: Of Jupiter, Scotts Sale. There's not a lot of diversity

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: in the hometown on the PGA tour. Why yess Why

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01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: you know Leishman always stuck out with Virginia Beach. You know,

1350
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: there's always a you know, a nice little nugget in there.

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: Or Mett McCarty's a Chicago guy. He lives in Chicago.

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 6: That's good. We need some more diversity.

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Pinehurst. So you put together a guide

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: here on Pinehurst. I think everybody knows about Pinehurst, so

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01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: we don't. I don't think we need to like break ground.

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: In terms of Pinehurst, I think one of the unique

1357
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: things with this this destination versus a broad destinations. You know,

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: obviously American destinations you get in the Sand Valleys, the

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: Pinehurst abandoned the access the way I understand that the

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: access to Pinehurst is really controlled by staying there. Correct, Yes,

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01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: how can you play if you don't stay at the resort?

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Speaker 5: You can call I believe, like a select number of

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01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 5: days in advance for each of the courses. You know,

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01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 5: they kind of tear their golf courses two, four, eight, ten,

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Speaker 5: and then everything else. And I even think the Cradle

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 5: you can call like twenty four hours in advance to

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 5: book a tea time. But otherwise, yeah, they you know,

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 5: they are really pushing for people to actually stay at

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 5: the resort to secure those tea times. And if you're

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Speaker 5: making a trip, you kind of want to know you're

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Speaker 5: going to be able.

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Speaker 6: To play those courses.

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Speaker 5: So that's kind of the biggest difference, I would say,

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Speaker 5: within like the last five years of visiting the area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's and it's different from

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: like Sand Valley. You can get on in the afternoon

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: even if you're staying offsite abandoned. Similarly, you can stay

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,839
Speaker 1: off site and get on the t sheet still. But here,

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to play those courses you

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Speaker 1: don't like by I guess my only recommendation is if

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01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: you're going for a significant period of time and maybe

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: leave it an afternoon free and try and get out

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01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 1: then and you can play one of them. In terms

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01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: of the Pinehurst golf courses, we'll just touch on them quickly.

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Speaker 1: You know you recommended a few in your guide. You

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: have number one, number number three, I mean number two,

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01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: number three, number four, number eight, number ten, Yes, number

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01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: two obviously Championship course. Number four is the golf course

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01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: that Gil Han's renovated. Number ten is the brand new

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: Tom Doak course. Two courses that haven't really been covered

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: much by this podcast, or I would say in the

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01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: golf architecture community, are number three and number eight. Number

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01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: three's one that I haven't played that I would really

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01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: like to play. Tell us a little bit about number three.

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01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so three is shorter. I think it maxes

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 5: out at like maybe fifty six hundred yards. I'd have

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 5: to double check. But the greens are really small and

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 5: they're really challenging. They're like incredibly undulating.

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Speaker 2: There was.

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Speaker 5: Last summer, I was practicing a lot more to try

1401
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 5: and play in a mid am qualifier, and so somebody

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01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 5: recommended to me, like, go over to three and play

1403
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 5: as much of it as you can, because your approach

1404
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 5: game is going to get a lot better.

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 6: So it's a really fun course.

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01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 5: And it is kind of a nice equalizer if you're

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01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 5: playing with maybe you have some women in your group,

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01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 5: maybe you have some guys in your group that are

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 5: really long hitters. It kind of like balances it out

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01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 5: because everybody's kind of like smushed together on the tea

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01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 5: boxes and it just makes for a really fun round.

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01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 6: So I really like three. You can just get around

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01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 6: it quick too.

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Speaker 1: I think like people go nuts on golf trips. They

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01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: play a lot of golf, yeah, and I think what

1416
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: happens oftentimes is that they get fatigued from playing so

1417
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: much golf, and then you kind of can ruin some

1418
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: of the later days in your golf trip. To be

1419
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: that golf course seems like a an ideal thirty six

1420
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: hole day golf course to put in there in the

1421
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: afternoon after playing one of the big golf courses.

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01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And then I really like eight. I used

1423
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 5: to not like eight. I it was a it's a

1424
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 5: bigger walk and a lot of it was tree lined,

1425
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 5: especially on the back nine, the final stretch of like

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 5: fifteen to eighteen.

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 6: I didn't love it.

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01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 5: But they redid the greens a few years ago and

1429
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 5: took down a bunch of trees and it's just like

1430
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 5: it's a much more fun finish. You can look around

1431
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 5: and like see everybody else playing golf, and the holes

1432
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 5: are much more open. So it used to not be

1433
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 5: one of my favorites, but now it is. I think

1434
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 5: it's a fazzio. And you know, Pinehurst does add that

1435
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 5: a lot. If you're looking to book like four rounds

1436
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 5: on your trip, it's a good addition. And the nice

1437
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 5: thing about it is they just added a bunch of cottages,

1438
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 5: so for people who like don't want to stay in

1439
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 5: a hotel, you can get all your buddies in one

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01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 5: of the cottages and they're on hoo eight and number eight.

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: That is delightful. I do think that's like one of

1442
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: the things that the Sand Valleys of the world, the

1443
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: bandon the and really the destination clubs have done so

1444
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: well is the idea of the cabin and you you know,

1445
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: you go to dinner, but then you have this great

1446
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: place to just hang out with your friends for you know,

1447
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: a night cap, or you know, it's the morning and

1448
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: you have a little time and you kill it in

1449
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,440
Speaker 1: the living room. I do think that the cabin experience

1450
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: when you're on a trip is delightful. Yeah, you talked

1451
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: about the packages. Like the way I've generally seen it

1452
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: done is like two four ten eight or two four

1453
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: eight or you know two four ten is are the

1454
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: popular ones. Is that pretty much the only way to

1455
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,480
Speaker 1: get number two access at this point is through the pages.

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01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 6: That's how I see it.

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01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is really hard, and if you do get on,

1458
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 5: you may be starting on number ten, like whole ten

1459
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 5: of number two, and then you're finishing on nine. That's

1460
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 5: the way that they try to get more rounds out there.

1461
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 5: So if you like really just want to guarantee playing

1462
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 5: number two and starting on number one, you're gonna you

1463
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 5: probably have to stay the on site.

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01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're far worse things. I do think,

1465
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: like in terms of like how I would rank the

1466
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: golf courses in the area, I think it's kind of

1467
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: pine urse number two and then you can put a

1468
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: bunch of courses in a second bucket, and we'll get

1469
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: into some of the ones in Southern Pines, which include

1470
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: Mid Pines, Pine Needles, Southern Pines, and then I think

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,919
Speaker 1: I would put probably number ten in that bucket. I

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: am not the biggest fan of number four. I like it.

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01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, well, has it reopened from the

1474
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: the closure and you know, figure out the grass. I

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01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's a good golf course. But one of

1476
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: the things I take away from that project having been

1477
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: out there is like just how much work goes into

1478
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: undoing an old golf course to redo it. And I think, like,

1479
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: it's not my favorite, but some people like four and

1480
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: more than number two. So in terms of the way

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01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: I would think about, like if I was going to

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01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: go there for four or five days, I'd probably want

1483
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: to hit at least two of the Pinehurst golf courses

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01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: in a trip like that. You made an interesting recommendation

1485
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: to me. I was going last fall for Tom Doks

1486
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: Renaissance Cup, and I had a choice of where to

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01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: stay at Pinehurst between the Carolina, the Holly and the Manor,

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01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and I was surprised at what you what you suggested,

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01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: But then pleasantly surprised when I got there. What what

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01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 1: what is your preferred place of occupancy of the Pinehurst Resort?

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 6: Did I tell you the Manor?

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so, yeah, I really like the Manor. Pinehurst

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01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 5: Resort required it a few years ago, and it sits

1494
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 5: right next to the Pinehurst Brewery. And then in addition,

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01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 5: within the Manor is the North and South Bar, which

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 5: is a whiskey bar. It's you know, you're not at

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01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 5: the Carolina, which is the Marquis the Queen of the

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01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 5: South as they like to call it hotel, But the

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01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 5: Manor it's a little smaller, it's quaint. They have like

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Speaker 5: a little library down there, and you can still walk

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 5: into the village. You can still walk, obviously walk to

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01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 5: the brewery. It's very central still, but it's just like

1503
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 5: just off the path.

1504
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I the Carolina doesn't really do it for me, right,

1505
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know, I don't know why.

1506
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: I just I'm not I'm not like a huge fan

1507
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 1: of the Carolina. I found the Manor to be much

1508
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: more my kind of speed. It was a little bit quieter,

1509
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: less going on, honestly, sometimes for me, like I prefer

1510
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 1: less service than more service. And that was something that like,

1511
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: I know, like everybody's all about, but like to me,

1512
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: the manner was just like kind of like very chill,

1513
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: right and laid back, and that was it kind of

1514
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: I really liked it. And as you said, the location,

1515
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I think something that like I know that some of

1516
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: these packages come with food, Like I mean, the job

1517
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: of a resort, if you're a running resort, what you're

1518
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: thinking about is like how do we maximize how do

1519
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 1: we get every dollar of somebody's spend. Sure, what I

1520
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: would say as someone who has frequented the area, and

1521
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: I think you would probably agree with this statement, and

1522
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: and I'd lean on you for specifics. But to me,

1523
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: if I go to if I go to Pinehurst, the

1524
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: Pinehurst area where I want to hang out at night

1525
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: is nowhere near Pinehurst, and I want to be in

1526
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: the Southern Pines area. Would you agree with that?

1527
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 6: Yes?

1528
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 5: I So what I will say is that I think

1529
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 5: it's pretty awesome that you can go to Pinehurst Resort.

1530
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 5: And what makes it unique compared to all the other

1531
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 5: resorts in America is you can walk into a village

1532
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 5: where like people live and like breathe and love golf,

1533
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 5: So you can spend time in the village and still

1534
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 5: like maybe not go to a resort. I recommended Lisy

1535
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 5: in the guide, and Lisa's this Italian restaurant that is

1536
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 5: just like it's so good. It's a gem for the middle,

1537
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 5: you know, a landlocked North Carolina and has a great bar.

1538
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 5: But that's really the only one of the only places

1539
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 5: I'll actually eat in the village. I live closer to

1540
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 5: Southern Pines and that's where I spend most of my

1541
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 5: time off of the golf course, and a lot has

1542
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 5: popped up there in the last few years because there's

1543
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 5: a big military presence in Southern Pines, so there's a

1544
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 5: ton of families that live in the area and just

1545
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 5: like a lot of like business growth, so plenty of

1546
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 5: good spots in Southern Pines.

1547
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I you know, my wife and I like can

1548
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: contemplated moving there years ago. We like looked around, we

1549
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: stayed there, and we really liked it. I think this

1550
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: is like a big miss of people is that they

1551
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: go to Pinehurst and they just stay at the resort.

1552
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: I think going to like Southern Pines for food, beverage,

1553
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: coffee in the morning is like an excellent move and

1554
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: it you know, as somebody, I probably spend a little

1555
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: bit more time at resorts. Albeit this year I haven't

1556
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: really spent any time at resorts, but I spend more

1557
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: time at resorts than most of the common person. I

1558
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes at golf resorts, I get like kind

1559
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: of resorted out. It's there's just something about being I

1560
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: just I like to get to where like normal people are.

1561
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: And to me, this is the cheat code of Pinehurst

1562
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: is if I were building a trip to go to Pinehurst,

1563
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 1: I would do the minimum trip to there to get

1564
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,480
Speaker 1: to play number two. And if I had the ability

1565
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 1: to play a few more days, then I would probably

1566
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: go rent a airbnb in Southern Pines. And albeit I

1567
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: think this is probably going to change with Marine and

1568
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Lawn coming into Southern Pines and doing the Mid Pines there.

1569
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: That was the news a couple of weeks ago that

1570
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: they're going to rehab a lot of the lodging around

1571
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: Mid Pines and Pine Needles. But while it's set up

1572
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: the way it is, I think the ideal trip there

1573
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: is a couple of days at Pinehurst to play number two,

1574
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: maybe play you know, number ten in another course you

1575
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: can pick your poison, then hop over to Southern Pines

1576
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: to Airbnb there and enjoy kind of small town North

1577
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Carolina living at its finest. I think that like because

1578
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: of obviously the golf tourism, Southern Pines punches way above

1579
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: it's wait in terms of food and culture in that area.

1580
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, And there's plenty of places to stay. You know,

1581
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 5: you can find Airbnbs right on that main broad street,

1582
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 5: or you can stay somewhere closer to Pine Needles, Mid Pines,

1583
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 5: Southern Pines.

1584
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 6: It's all like everything.

1585
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 5: You know, even if you drive between Southern Pines and

1586
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 5: Pine heresay ten minute drive, like nothing's far, and then

1587
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,759
Speaker 5: once you're in Southern Pines, everything's like six minutes away.

1588
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 5: I would say, So you can't really go wrong with

1589
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 5: the accommodations there. And then yeah, I'm super interested to

1590
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 5: keep track of the marine and lawn development.

1591
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 6: It'll it'll just be fascinating.

1592
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: And so we stayed there for the US Open last year. Yeah,

1593
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: and it was like, after spending like a week there,

1594
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: it's just like, God, this place has so much potential.

1595
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: All three of those golf courses, Southern Pines, Pine Needles,

1596
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: and Mid Pines are like terrific golf course wonderful golf courses,

1597
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: and I think the the accommodations there have like a

1598
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of room to grow, but it does offer I

1599
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: would say, a much quieter experience to Pinehurst. Yeah, kind

1600
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: of a welcome, like much more like quaint experience, like

1601
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: the if you could trast the mid Pines or the

1602
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Pine Needles Bar to you know, the Deuce, It's like

1603
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: you couldn't be more diametrically different. Yeah.

1604
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to find like four old guys sitting

1605
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 5: in the Pine Needles Bar just like who've been going

1606
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,759
Speaker 5: there every night for the last thirty years.

1607
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 6: So just keep an eye out.

1608
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: It's a great bar too. It's got the like the

1609
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: sub like the low the low bar with like the

1610
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: cozy arm arm chairs. Elite golf bar.

1611
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 6: I have to say, yeah, it's great. You like walk

1612
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 6: down the little pit and there you are.

1613
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1614
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: I love those bars that are like sunken down it

1615
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of it's uh, it's definitely like a by gone

1616
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 1: design style for a bar, but one that I you know,

1617
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: it's very easy to spend a lot of time at. Yes,

1618
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: in terms of uh, what are your favorite I guess

1619
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, we just hit on those three golf courses.

1620
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: But what are your favorite courses outside of like the

1621
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 1: main you know, known golf courses in Pinehurst, because I

1622
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: know there are other ones there.

1623
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, granted, these are all private courses,

1624
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 5: so some of them are like going to be harder

1625
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 5: to access. But I really do love Dormy Club. It's

1626
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 5: a really fun place to play. They've kind of changed

1627
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 5: their model a bit too, where you have to stay

1628
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 5: and play with a member on site, but you know,

1629
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 5: it's definitely, you know, outside of the Pinehurst area, so

1630
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 5: you do feel like.

1631
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 6: You're kind of in the middle of nowhere.

1632
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 5: And it goes back to you know that stay and

1633
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 5: play of like a tree farm or those other locations

1634
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 5: where it's there's not many rounds out there every day,

1635
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 5: but it is really fun. And then CCNC Country Club

1636
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 5: of North Carolina is really great. They hosted the Junior

1637
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 5: Am not too long ago on their Dogwood course. It's

1638
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 5: another good place. And then I play a lot out

1639
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 5: of Forest Creek, which has two Tom Fazio courses, But

1640
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 5: I'm not sure about many other like public access courses

1641
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 5: aside from Tobacco.

1642
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,839
Speaker 1: I think, like the thing I would say about public

1643
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: access there is you know, most of those golf courses

1644
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: are built like one of the just key ingredients from

1645
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 1: for the jump of golf is land and the topography,

1646
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the natural elements of golf there, you know, plus the

1647
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: sand makes it makes a lot of those golf courses

1648
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: that are not the big ones really fun to play

1649
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: because they have the elements of you know, hey, this

1650
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: isn't maybe the most in vogue architect or the most

1651
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, well thought of golf course, but this is

1652
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: worthwhile because you know, you're playing golf on on nice

1653
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: land with well well draining soils. Where where do you

1654
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: fall on tobacco road? We've ever talked about.

1655
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 5: This, I know, so funny quick story. I took my

1656
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 5: dad out there like three years ago for his sixtieth birthday,

1657
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 5: and you know, we finished first my husband and I

1658
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 5: and his friends, and then behind us is our dad

1659
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 5: and my dad and he's and I'm like, what'd you think?

1660
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 5: Because like it's so big and sprawling and like it's

1661
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 5: wild out there. He goes fucking hated this golf course.

1662
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 6: I was just like, okay, got it.

1663
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 5: So I naturally bought him like the tied eye t

1664
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 5: shirt with strands on the front. And that's his gift

1665
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 5: every year, So some sort of tobacco road gift. I

1666
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 5: it's like so gimmicky, right, Like you're just playing like

1667
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 5: Target Jurassic Park golf out there. It's definitely like a

1668
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 5: site to behold, but it's not my favorite. It's kind

1669
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 5: of really expensive.

1670
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: So that's one of the crazier things. I went there

1671
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: like eight years ago, and I think at that time

1672
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: the peak rate was probably about one hundred and fifty

1673
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: dollars or so, and I think now it doesn't it

1674
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: push up into the three hundred, Yeah, And I think

1675
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: that's like where you know, I I thought playing it,

1676
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: I thought there's some really neat stuff out there.

1677
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 5: It's visually like really fun to explore and like run around.

1678
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: There's some really good golf holes out there too, But

1679
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: for the price. At this point, I you know, it

1680
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 1: becomes like like I think it's a place, it's one

1681
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: of the more unique golf courses you're going to see.

1682
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: It's a you know, and obviously there's there's a lot

1683
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 1: of love for Mike Strands in the world of golf.

1684
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: I might not be the head of the Mic Strands

1685
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: Society whenever it comes up, but but I used to

1686
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, I used to say, yeah, this is absolutely

1687
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: a must play, must see, but now like with where

1688
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: the price is going, it just you know, to me

1689
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: it I don't know, I you know, I'd rather go

1690
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: play Piners number ten for that pure and play it

1691
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: a bunch. It's more walkable one. I think that's one

1692
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: of the things is walking up Tobacco Road not really

1693
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: a fun thing to do. That being said, it is

1694
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: like I think like the thing that people could take

1695
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: away is like it is a one of one golf

1696
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: course and it's you know, if you have the means

1697
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: and that, but have the means to you know, do

1698
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: a bunch of golf courses down there that are three

1699
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: hundred bucks or plus, Like, yeah, do that. But I

1700
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: think like you get a lot more value out of

1701
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: the Mid Pines, Pine Needles, Southern Pines than you do

1702
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: going to Tobacco Road.

1703
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,519
Speaker 5: And that's like the big thing about the Pinehurst area there.

1704
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 5: You know, you're going to do more than one trip

1705
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 5: there if you you know, really love golf and maybe

1706
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 5: you really enjoyed playing that type of like topography and

1707
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 5: the rolling terrains and the sand, like you're probably going

1708
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 5: to go back, so like maybe it's just for the

1709
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 5: second trip.

1710
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: It's true. I do like that is the unique thing

1711
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: about Pinehurst. It does feel like a place that you

1712
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: can go multiple times, more so than other ones. I

1713
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: think Sand Valley now with like it's it's proximity to

1714
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 1: the Midwest, is probably one that people feel that way.

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01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: But I do think that's where Pinehurst. You are you're

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01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: really into.

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01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 6: Food, Yes, I love eating.

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01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's delightful. Who doesn't love livations, you know,

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01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 1: and food, food and drink. What's the what's the place

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01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: that you you unequivocally say you can't miss there?

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01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 5: So in Pinehurst, I would say Lisa, like, it's a

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01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 5: great meal, the atmosphere's fun. They've got the patio, the

1723
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 5: indoor space is fine. They've got the bar. In Southern Pines,

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01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 5: I really like one American Fusion. It's they have a

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01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 5: good outdoor patio and the menu is pretty unique for the.

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01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 6: Area out there. We did go there.

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01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 5: Yes, they have a really good cocktail list as well.

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01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 5: It's just like good variety. It's different food. It's you know,

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01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 5: when like you were saying before, you know, when you

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01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 5: eat resort food, you're having like meat and potatoes or

1731
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 5: like salmon and potatoes.

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01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 6: Every single meal.

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01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Is that Cisco truck Jackson. You know, it's like the

1734
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: not Cisco or fine technology you've provided provider partner, the

1735
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: food company. It's like the same one that was that

1736
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 1: that brought you all your meat to your door when

1737
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: you're in college, right, right.

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01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 5: So you want to switch it up. I do like

1739
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 5: one five American Fusion. There's Chef Warren's is really good too.

1740
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 5: It's a French, a French restaurant that's that's really solid

1741
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 5: and just again like unique dishes. I don't know how

1742
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 5: much PJ is going to eat at either of those restaurants.

1743
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 5: Probably not much, but uh but maybe we'll convince him

1744
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 5: when he makes his next visit to the area.

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01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to offer one stay away. Yeah, this is

1746
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: just a personal, experienced stay away. Don't go to the

1747
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: Beltree tavern. Oh that's my stay away. Yeah, don't go there.

1748
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: Underrated low key great, low key option. Oh sure for

1749
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: people that enjoy like a nice porch and go to

1750
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: Southern Pine's brewery, order order some uber eats yep, and

1751
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: just sit there enjoy some beers. I feel like I

1752
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: like I love the like the patio. They have that

1753
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: just it kind of sits up. You get a nice

1754
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: spreeze and you just order your food there and you

1755
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 1: can just enjoy enjoy that.

1756
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, get soapies for pizza. Just bring the pizzas over

1757
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,719
Speaker 5: it an easy meal. It's good people watching too, because

1758
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 5: across the street there's like a there's a few restaurants

1759
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 5: and you just like watch people walking around.

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01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: What's the pixel click for coffee.

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01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 5: So in Southern Pines, I really like a new place

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01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 5: called Mazonet. They have it just you know, it's a

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01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 5: classic coffee shop, but they do have some food. And

1764
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 5: if you don't need food and more, Diego is this

1765
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 5: like Colombian coffee shop that's really solid and they make

1766
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 5: fresh croissants every morning there.

1767
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 6: It's very good.

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01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: I went to Mason that you recommended that for me. Also,

1769
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,759
Speaker 1: if you have your kids, they have kids.

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01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 6: Toye yes, a lot of kids there.

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01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,839
Speaker 1: I would point out. I was, I was there working,

1772
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I have a young kid, and I was looking around

1773
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: us like I could conceivably drop my kid here and

1774
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: get some work done. Because of the kids toys. I

1775
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: think kids toys in coffee shops are like they're brilliant

1776
01:39:58,120 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: it's the only way you're going to get a pair,

1777
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: aren't with young kids into to sit at a coffee shop?

1778
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they do. They're there all day. So it's

1779
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 5: a good spot though. And it's just easy to walk

1780
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 5: up and down that main street in Southern Pines and

1781
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 5: like pop in and out of shops, you know, like

1782
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 5: a really good bookstore. There is even a Pinehurst like

1783
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 5: shop there too, So if you're like, well, I got

1784
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 5: to get the merch like, you can still do that.

1785
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 5: It's just like a really nice place to walk around

1786
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 5: and kind of see what the community is actually like.

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01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 1: I uh, yeah, I'm a I'm a big fan of

1788
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: Southern Pines. Yeah. But other other other tip from me,

1789
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: just don't speed in More County. Once you get close

1790
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 1: to More County, it's not worth it. They're gonna they're

1791
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: gonna say that you have to come back for court

1792
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: in person, and the only way to get out of

1793
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: it is higher local attorney. It's gonna cost you an

1794
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: arm and a leg. It's gonna be the most expensive,

1795
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 1: uh speeding ticket, you know, nominal normal speeding ticket that

1796
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 1: you can find. That's just a personal anecdote. Don't when

1797
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: you get close to more County do not whatsoever.

1798
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 6: Well, and they trick you.

1799
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:05,839
Speaker 5: It goes from like sixty five to fifty five real fast.

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01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 1: You come over the hill. That's the right way. They

1801
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 1: got me so dangerous. Just yeah, just be careful with that.

1802
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 1: It's it's a pain in the ass. Speaking from a

1803
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: personal experience, any parting Pineher's advice.

1804
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 5: Hmmm, you know, you know, but don't assume that you

1805
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 5: can get an uber from Pinehurst back to the Raleigh Airport.

1806
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 5: You really can't. So run a car if you're staying

1807
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 5: at the resort. They have shuttles that will take you

1808
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 5: to and from the Raleigh Airport. I just had a

1809
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 5: friend visit and she had like multiple ubers cancel on her.

1810
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,520
Speaker 5: You can't get uber here in Pinehurst.

1811
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1812
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: The last time I did this, the guy that was

1813
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: driving me was pitching me on trying to He wanted

1814
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: me to buy his cab business, getting into the cabusiness.

1815
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 5: Yeah no thanks, yeah, so just kidding. I mean, it's

1816
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 5: a great it's a great place to visit. One thing

1817
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 5: we didn't talk about too is like when I would

1818
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 5: say like peak, yeah, peak time to visit Pinehurst, I

1819
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 5: would say, like march to the end of May is

1820
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 5: really awesome. June you were there for the US Open.

1821
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 5: It's really hot and really humid.

1822
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think I walked away from that week being okay.

1823
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 6: Okay, so like you would probably go through June wasn't terrible.

1824
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets really yeah, it gets really gross in

1825
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 5: July and August. I think they might even have like

1826
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 5: off peak pricing during that time. And and then the

1827
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:38,440
Speaker 5: fall is beautiful.

1828
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 6: It's so nice.

1829
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: November yeah, incredible. Yeah.

1830
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 6: Sometimes we played on like on Christmas.

1831
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: So when what's like January? People always wonder about January

1832
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: through March.

1833
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean last year we did get a

1834
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 5: little bit of snow. It lasts like a day. But

1835
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 5: like if you're trip is book during that time, it's

1836
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 5: just not ideal. It's you know, the grass is dormant,

1837
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 5: which is like really fun to play on and like

1838
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 5: visually really cool. I would say it's really hit or

1839
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 5: miss in January and February March, you can get away

1840
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 5: with it.

1841
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 1: I went one time in February or March. It was

1842
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: when I lived in Chicago. I was kind of naive.

1843
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 6: We thought it was going to be nice and warm Chicago.

1844
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like God, it's not very pleasant

1845
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: down here right now.

1846
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 5: No, No, it's still like it's not it's not the South.

1847
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 5: It's not like Florida.

1848
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,679
Speaker 1: Rally's definitely the way way to go getting in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1849
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: it's the drive from Charlotte. The first time I the

1850
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: first course I played in Pineer, Syria was Dormy actually

1851
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: when it was public and it was my buddy got

1852
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: married in Charlotte and I drove. I was in my

1853
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: mid twenties. I drove all the way out there and

1854
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: back and that that was not a fun drive from Charlotte.

1855
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: If you can do the Raleigh Airport, it's pretty pretty

1856
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,719
Speaker 1: easy drive from there. Yeah.

1857
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 6: So no, I mean we obviously love it.

1858
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 5: We lived there for the last three years, and I

1859
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 5: just think like Moore continues to develop in the area,

1860
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,719
Speaker 5: but ultimately like it really is all centered in golf

1861
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 5: in both communities, which works well for me.

1862
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, Well, thanks for coming on. You could

1863
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 1: read Abby's full guide. She's got a lot of recommendations

1864
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: on the website, lots of rex.

1865
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 6: It was.

1866
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 1: It was great having somebody that actually like lives somewhere

1867
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,759
Speaker 1: do the guide. I don't know, that's like my favorite

1868
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: thing when I go travel somewhere as I usually like

1869
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody that lives there and to find stuff.

1870
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: And this was great. So thanks Abby, and we'll have

1871
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: you on again sometimes, I hope.

1872
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 6: So thanks guys.

1873
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: We'll see what's the next what's the next guide?

1874
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1875
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: You may be the only person to spend a cabot.

1876
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could do cabot. So let's go to Halifax.

1877
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 1: It's it's so hard to get to Yeah, it's a

1878
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: topic for another day. Like when I talk to people

1879
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: about getting there, it's like I'll just go to Edinburgh,

1880
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: correct stud Correct? All right? Thanks Avy, Thanks guys, all right,

1881
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: big thanks to all my guests for joining me on

1882
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: this podcast. Check out Frida Egg Guides at the Friday

1883
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: dot com. Just peruse the website. It would be my

1884
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: piece of advice. There's a lot of stuff up there.

1885
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: And big thanks to PJ Clark for editing and producing

1886
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. This one was kind of a beast put together,

1887
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 1: so big thanks to PJ. We'll be back next week

1888
01:45:55,200 --> 01:46:00,080
Speaker 1: with our preview Five Things about the Ryder Cup with

1889
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 1: guests not guest now Frida Egg team member Kevin Bean

1890
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 1: Welkenberg We're super excited to add kvv to the team.

1891
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: He will be a fairly regular guest of this podcast

1892
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: We've got and also another reason go check out the

1893
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 1: website more writing on the website. He will be a

1894
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 1: regular contributor to our newsletter, subscribe to that and can't

1895
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: wait to see the stuff that KVB puts together for

1896
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, which is right around the corner at

1897
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Bethpage Black. So we'll have five things about the Ryder

1898
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: Cup coming live on Sunday, as we usually do for majors,

1899
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,839
Speaker 1: So check that out there, and big thanks to everybody

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Speaker 1: for listening, and we'll talk to you next week.