WEBVTT - #741 Packers Unscripted: Minnesota musings 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.399 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.520 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined as always 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.880 by my trusted colleague Weston hod Quitz. We're coming to 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.840 you hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Happy 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.160 Halloween to all of you Packers fans out there. Happy Halloween, 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:22.520 my friend. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:24.160 Thanks buddy. I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.880 try to gep out of the office a little bit 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.960 early today. I got a very excited five year old 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.360 that is ready to hit the streets and get some 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.720 candy that he probably won't end up eating, but he 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.519 loves the process. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:37.680 Yeah, and can you spill the beans on the show? 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:38.800 What his costume is? 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:40.519 Do you know what Wildcrats is? 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:41.040 No? 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.080 I don't, Okay, So it's a PBS show. He's a 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.080 huge fan of it. They have like they kind of 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.800 it's two brothers and now it's kind of an animated 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.600 type show now too, and then they can like transform 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.040 into like animals and things like that. So he's like, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.480 I think it's like a spider monkey kind of thing. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.840 So he has like this blue costume and he's very 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:01.720 excited about it. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.360 It sounds like it. It sounds like a very exciting costume. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.280 So it's a little bit bigger, Like everything's more elaborate 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:08.880 these days than when I was a kid, when it 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.160 was like, I'm a fireman, you know. Now it's like, oh, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.720 I'm this character from a TV show that's very niche, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.520 but he's pumped about it. Well. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:20.360 I would prefer to spend this show talking about Halloween 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.160 and sharing all kinds of Halloween stories, but we actually, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.399 unfortunately have another Packers loss to talk about, and it's 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.760 the fourth one in a row, this one to the 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.480 Minnesota Vikings at home at Lambeaufield. The final score was 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.720 twenty four to ten. And when you look at how 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.120 this game unfolded, as we talked about last week, a 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.760 lot of similarities to previous games in terms of the 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.640 Packers not being able to get anything going on offense 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.080 in the first half, and this game in particular, happened 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 to then get away from the Packers with that sequence. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.200 At the beginning of the second half, it's ten to three. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.320 The beginning of the third quarter, the Vikings get the 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.680 ball first because they had won the toss and deferred, 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.160 and in a very short amount of time, the Vikings, 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.760 drove the length of the field, got a touchdown, they 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.840 get an interception, and then they score another touchdown right away, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.960 and suddenly, in less than half a quarter, a ten 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.079 to three game becomes a twenty four to three game. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.640 The Packers are in a catch up desperation mode and 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.760 just once again didn't get it done, and Green Bay 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.680 sits at two and five. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.400 It wasn't a lot to say about this one afterwards. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.160 You obviously had the Insider Inbox column for Monday. I 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:34.240 wrote our audition for Tuesday, and the most salient point 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.680 I think I raised in this entire thing is there 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.160 have been moments. There have been moments all year long 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.000 for this team. And I'm not going to use the 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.800 Y word. I'm not going to talk about the youth 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.960 of it. But the one thing is Mike, is when 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.880 you have moments, it gives you hope. But moments also 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.679 don't win you sixty minute football games. And for the Packers, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.480 I almost equate it. You know, I'm a big MMA guy. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.520 I almost equated to like an MMA UFC boxing type match. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.440 Your rounds, you got your quarters, and if you're constantly 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.840 down two rounds on the scorecards, it's going to be 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.679 very difficult to come back, and unless you're throwing a 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.520 knockout blow late, you're gonna have a very difficult time 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.840 being able to pull it off. And this was another 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.160 example of it. Mike. I mean, they've gone now, however 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.000 many first halfs now without a touchdown, four or five, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:26.359 whatever it's been. And defensively, you know, they can stop 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.160 defenses or they can stop offenses. They can hold Minnesota 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.840 to sixty two rushing yards in this one after having 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.240 some problems defending the run in a few other games, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.880 but then in this particular contest they're completing the third 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.560 and lungs. It doesn't balance out. Unfortunately for the Packers. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:42.840 It led to their fourth straight loss. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.480 Yeah, and you mentioned it. It's a sixty minute game. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.520 It's a seventeen game season. What I raised in Monday 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:59.920 Mornings Inbox is that the hallmark of successful professional players, 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.080 the hallmark of a successful professional team, as those individuals 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.520 you know come together collectively, is players being able to 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.160 have a reasonably consistent level of play. You are you're 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.080 a true pro in this game when you can do 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.400 things consistently, when it's not just the flashes in the moments, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.640 but it's when you can do that time and time again. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.040 And sixty minutes is a long game, and seventeen games 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.720 is a long season. You're going to be You're going 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.440 to be tested, You're going to be tried. You're going 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:34.920 to be forced to reach a certain level of consistency 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.080 in order to succeed. And that's that's what the Packers 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:45.000 continue to search for because ironically, if you have a 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.400 lot of inconsistencies across the board, your results then become 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.240 very consistent. And that's why the Packers are on a 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:55.400 four game losing streak. The the you know this one 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.359 everybody's you know, talking about, well, you know, when the 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.800 Packers go into hurry up mode and it's like they 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.720 start to move the ball and you know, you start 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.160 to get some points and all that, and it's like, yeah, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.560 but when the other team is up multiple touchdowns, you know, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.920 like they play defense differently, you know, I mean, you 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.560 can't continue to put yourself in that position. Even though 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.440 the Packers had some chances to make it a one 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.320 score game in the fourth quarter, you got the block 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.280 field goal that gave you good field position. You had 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.279 a chance there and then and then when you failed 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.760 in the red zone, you get the sack fumble, and 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.640 you get another chance in the red zone to make 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.799 it a one score game, and the offense fails again. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.240 But even with all of that, it still comes back 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.839 to the fact that two and a half quarters into 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.360 the game, you're down twenty four to three and you've 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.280 done you've done nothing on offense to you know, to 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.800 to establish anything about who you are. Your only success 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.599 offensively is in desperation mode. And Matt Lafleur talked about that, 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.920 it's like you just you can't you can't live that 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.840 way week after week. And the Packers are just still 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.480 searching to find something that they can establish that they 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:10.000 can execute successfully consistently, something to build on within any 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.520 given game plan, and the way the first halfs have gone, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.120 the game plan is kind of gets tossed out the 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.560 window at halftime every week. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.479 Yeah. I think he said they ran was at fourteen 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.800 plays for the first four series or something like that. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.360 And you know, you could talk about touches, you can 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.920 talk about, you know, opportunities, but if you aren't able 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.279 to move the ball on your first four series, it's 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.440 just going to be difficult to just to be able 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.680 to spread the ball around to get Aaron Jones established 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.760 to be able to find, you know, what you're looking 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.719 to achieve. The hardest thing to decipher about this game 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.480 for me was the penalties, because it showed you, again, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:50.039 as Matt Lafleur even talked about, if you're not consistent, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:51.920 if you're not playing well, you're not going to be 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.080 able to overcome penalties. You know, everything about football is 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.359 kind of like, you know, two glasses and trying to 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.240 keep the one that you want filled and the one 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.360 that you don't want, you know, empty. But the more 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.279 water that you keep that's taken over the other side 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.320 of the boat, that the quicker you're going to sink. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.840 And for green Bay it was eleven penalties ninety nine yards. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.160 How many of those came in third down situations? How 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.400 many times the Packers were in third and ten plus? 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.560 And conversely, for as well as green Bay did defend 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.680 Alexander Madison and did defend well against cam Akers, Kirk 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.560 Cousins made some great plays and receivers went along right 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.480 with them. Yeah, Jordan Addison is turning out to be 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.840 a real stud in this league. And I had huge 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.920 questions about Addison if he was gonna be big enough. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.440 He proved he can play big enough. I mean, you 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.920 look at what you know, kJ Osborne being a complimentary piece. TJ. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.480 Hockinson didn't have huge numbers, but it was enough to 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:47.560 move the chains and. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.280 He was pretty darn effective for that. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.200 I don't I know the Vikings finished like ten of 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.480 eighteen on third downs, but shoot, I wonder what that 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.280 number was through the end of the third quarter. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.880 Well, that's that's what I was just going to say 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.720 when we talk about the third downs. I mean, what 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.400 stood out to me? And I think I put this 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.320 in Monday Mornings Inbox, although I'll be honest, I wrote, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.480 you know, answer those questions on Sunday night in a 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.400 bit of a fog after everything that had happened. But 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:16.800 prior to the play on which Kirk Cousins season unfortunately 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.480 ended with the torn achilles. Prior to that play, Minnesota 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.400 was nine out of fourteen on third downs, and not 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.760 just nine out of fourteen wes, but six of those 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:34.120 nine conversions they needed either eight or nine yards to convert. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.760 And you know, if third downs in general are supposed 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.160 to be roughly you know, a fifty percent proposition, forty 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.160 five fifty percent whatever whatever you want to put on it. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.840 Third and eight plus is supposed to be for an 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.240 offense more like a thirty percent proposition. The defense needs 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.120 to be stopping somewhere between two thirds to three quarters 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.240 of those and to allow six conversions of third an 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:06.240 eight plus in one game, you know, again, it's it's 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.640 a it's a sign of a team that is inconsistent 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.480 and can't establish anything. Because coming into the game, the 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.280 Green Bay Packers defense was ninth in the league in 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.880 third down percentage, and then suddenly you have this day 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.360 where third and eight plus and Kirk Cousins is tearing 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.680 you up, and all sorts of things happen that that 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.680 actually go against the profile that that you had built 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.680 through the first six games defensively. So it's you know, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.200 it just feels like as soon as the Packers plug 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.199 one leak in the boat, another leak springs up somewhere else, 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.959 and they just continue to they just continue to chase 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.280 this and they've got to find a way to get 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:47.640 out of it. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.840 That was the most disheartening piece of it is because 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.360 they were ranked ninth and that was largely with having 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.080 some issues defending the run. But yet the pass defense. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.120 A lot of times the pass rush was picking them 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.160 up in those third down situations and in this and 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.000 this can you know this case, everything just flipped on 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.880 its axis. And that's again that's the sign of a 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.200 two and five team that's kind of feeling some type 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.880 of way right now. And it was difficult because at 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.320 the same time I remember talking with Preston Smith about 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.360 this afterwards in a little bit with Kenny Clark. I mean, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.360 the Packers didn't give up on themselves. They didn't pull 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.080 off a second quarter rally or a second half rally, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.040 excuse me, but they did continue to fight. I mean 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.040 they got the back to back sacks and the block 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.080 field goal and then the strip sack late. They there 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.720 were moments certainly that that fourteen play drive in the 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.600 third quarter for the offense, but as I said, it's 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.000 sixty minutes and you can't play fifteen of it. You 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.679 have to go the full way. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.400 Right And that's the thing. And as much as as 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.440 much as the Packers pass rush clearly had an impact 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.080 in the fourth quarter, not only you know, forcing the 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.360 field goal that got blocked, and then with the backup 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.640 quarterback in for the Vikings, you get the strip sack 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.040 and all that. But through the first three quarters, was 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.720 there much pressure on Kirk Cousins at all. Not really. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.840 The pass rush didn't really show up until the fourth quarter, 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.800 and that's one of the reasons that, you know, all 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.679 the third and eight pluses were being converted. So, as 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.720 you said at the top, the Packers, they they on 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.280 both sides of the ball, they show, they show the flashes. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.960 You see that it's there. But in this league, in 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.600 this league, when you can't do it for more than 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.240 a quarter and a half or two quarters, if you 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.920 can't do it over the bulk of nobody can play 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.840 a perfect game for sixty minutes, or you know, a 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.560 high level game for all sixty minutes. That's too hard. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.280 But if you can't play the way you're capable of 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.199 playing for enough of those sixty minutes, you're gonna keep 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.480 taking losses every week. And that's what the that's where 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.360 the Packers have to find whatever it is that they 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.520 can that they can do, that they can rely on, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.559 that they can execute consistently on both sides of the ball, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.760 and then try to build on that. And it's just 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.560 been it's been a frustrating process to not be able 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:57.520 to find it now. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.520 And you know that was where I kind of fell 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.600 for Jeordan into a little bit because Matt Lafleur talked 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.360 about as postgame presser, certainly you touched on it as well. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.600 Moments Jordan wants to have back, no question about it. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.160 He talked a lot about his mindset and his mentality 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.880 out there and the things that he has to do better. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.920 But to have a pass where he actually reads the 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.480 defense perfectly and he has the split safety look and 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.080 he does fire one in there. It wasn't a perfect pass, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.000 but he does fire it in there for Jaden Reid 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.880 and then the safety collapses and kind of wrestles the 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.040 ball away from him to be the only interception of 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.760 the game. Those are the turning port moments in a 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.880 football game. And you know, and again especially when you've 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.280 had so much difficulty taking the ball away defensively, you 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.280 can have no lapses there. And you know, I think 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.360 that's going to be the big thing that Jason Vrabel 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.080 and in his in the Packers. You know, passing game 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.640 coaches are gonna have to look at this week. Is 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.760 you've got a lot of young talent at receiver, but 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.560 it's also having the strong hands, it's having the body 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.400 and having the physicality to come down with those balls. 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.840 Romeo Dobbs did it a week earlier, and that was 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.000 that was a play where potentially could bend disastrous result 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.400 if he's not fighting for the football against Patrick Sirtan 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.400 junior the way he did. You have to attack the football. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.240 But again it goes back to the full thing. When 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.480 you're not running the ball well and you're not passing 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.840 the ball particularly well. Some more issues on the offensive 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.120 line this week. There's just a lot of things to fix. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.400 And the big challenge for Matt Lafleur and his coaching 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.760 staff this particular week getting ready for the Rams is 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.440 where is the emphasis in what do you look to 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.800 improve upon? Because you can't fix everything in six or 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.400 seven days. You have to have a focus and kind 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.720 of work your way forward from there. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.920 Yeah, and you had mentioned you had mentioned earlier the 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.839 penalties too, and I don't want to dwell on this 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.480 too much, but going back through the film, you know, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.439 I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going to excuse 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.880 eleven penalties. That's way too many and it's been a 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.640 problem in other games as well. But if you look 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.079 at this, if you look at just this game in particular, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.120 you and I were talking about it in the press box. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.000 What ended up being that fifteen yard penalty on John 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.920 Nathan Owens along the sideline when the Packers win the 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.200 challenge because the pass is incomplete, but the Vikings still 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.720 get fifteen yards and a first down. Like, I don't 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.880 know what Jonathan Owens is supposed to do on that, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.360 Like he's literally trying to back off, he's trying to 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.680 lay off, and yet he still gets flagged for fifteen yards. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.560 I took a closer look at where Shaun Gary's roughing 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.960 the passer. When I first saw it, I thought it 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.360 was I thought it was the body weight, you know, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.160 landing on the quarterback thing. Then when I got a 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 closer look at it, it's like, yeah, I mean he 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.680 hit him. I don't see how you could call that 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.640 hit late. And Gary actually lands with his knees on 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.360 the ground, like he didn't land with his whole body 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.800 weight on the quarterback. He stopped and his knees hit 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.440 the ground, and yet they still throw the flag for 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.280 fifteen yards. I'm not sure what Rashaan Gary is supposed 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.240 to do on that. You go back to the play 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.760 very early in the game when rashid Walker was flagged 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.880 for being ineligibly downfield. When the Packers had this whole 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.600 busted play and obviously lots of guys on offense were 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.960 not on the same page. Because it's either supposed to 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.160 be a running play or the ball comes out right away. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.560 Rashid Walker ends up getting flagged illegally downfield. Not his 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.200 fault by any stretch. He's literally standing, he doesn't even 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.480 have anybody to block or anything to do. He's standing 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.320 two yards downfield when Love throws the pass up along 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.560 the sideline and he gets flagged for you know, ineligible 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.880 man downfield has absolutely zero to do with what's going on. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.280 But that's a penalty that results from everybody else on 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.440 offense not being on the same page and a complete breakdown. 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.880 So again, I'm not excusing eleven penalties, but when you 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.600 look at what happened in this particular games, there are 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.520 a lot of them that are just that are absolute 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.520 head scratchers that you just kind of go like, what 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.160 is going on out there? And why why do these 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.960 continue to pile up against Greenback. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.280 Yeah, there was no news with Sean Hockeley's crew with 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.520 how they called this game. Now again, as Mattel four, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.920 will be the first one to tell you, you have 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.960 to play better to not allow those moments to affect 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.440 the outcome of a game exactly. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.080 Pack that's one hundred percent true. 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.600 But that being said, it came back to a lot 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:19.960 of the things that I've had an issue with the 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.120 National Football League in the last ten years. The Jonathan 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.120 Owens thing and the Rashan Gary thing are actually very 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.480 similar if you actually go back and look at them, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.320 if you watch them in real time. Don't slow it down, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.160 just watch it in real time. Both times, the defensive 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.800 player is kind of being shielded from what he's seeing 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.200 on the play by another defensive player. Jonathan Owens is 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.280 the second safety involved on that play down the sideline. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.080 Rudy Ford, I believe it was was directly in front 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.880 of him. He's just trying to stop the play and 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.040 as it turns out, dude, if he could have actually 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.400 seen Jordan Addison putting his head down on that play, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.840 I believe it was Addison. He's going to be able 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.000 to pull off. He doesn't see that though. All he's 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.800 the twenty jersey in front of him bang bang play 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.800 fifteen yards, as I joked about on Twitter x or whatever, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.520 the one thing that that challenge in addition to actually 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.680 overturning the catch, which again, it was just an amazing 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.560 play by the referees to just get everything correct on 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.080 that play, considering they incorrectly said that that was a reception. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.960 But what was funny the most about is New York. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.439 And then they both got a good look at that 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.240 play again and there's nothing you can do. You can't 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.040 overturn a penalty. But like, it was just a ridiculous call. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.879 It was, it was, it was. It was absolutely ridicuous. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.360 And then watch the Gary. You can watch the TV copy. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.280 You don't even need to watch, like the football copy 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.879 that all twenty two films. Watch the TV copy of 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.639 the Gary hit. Watch it at full speed, and you 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.080 tell me exactly what Rashaun Gary's supposed to do when 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.560 his job description is to attack the quarterback, to get 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.840 after the quarterback. Yeah, bang bang play, Kingsleyannigbari. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.120 Yes, I was. I was just going to say. This 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.720 is this discussion is essentially about not all penalties, even 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.800 ones with the same name, are created equal because what 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.480 Kingsleyanbari did was absolutely roughing the passer and absolutely a 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.960 lack of discipline. And that is absolutely the type of 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.119 penalty the Packers have to eliminate from their game. The 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.800 other roughing the passer around Rashaan Gary. I don't know 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.720 what he's supposed to do. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.800 I could have swore that I would play math football. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.400 Yeah, well, and it was and gay, it was the Vikings, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.120 and it was Kirk Cousins at lambeau Field two. You know, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.399 Week two of twenty eighteen over again. All right, well, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.200 we'll move on to a couple of other topics. I'll 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.640 take care of some sponsor business here. First, Serious XMNFO 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.320 Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.880 NFL news that true football fanatics Steed twenty four to seven, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.280 three sixty five and Ed Cousin Subs. We have something 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.359 for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.879 golden fries and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.440 sub or sub and a bowl Cousin Subs. Fifty years 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:56.879 of better, Big news on Monday. Rashaan Gary, We've already 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.879 been talking about him. Rashan Gary is going to be 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.200 a Green Bay Packer for quite some time. He signs 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.879 a multi year contract extension. He was playing this year 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.920 on the rookie first round pick, fifth year option, and 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.240 we sort of knew this was how it was going 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.199 to go that as soon as Rashaun Gary showed that 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.800 he was back from the ACL and back to his 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.240 old self and the era of his career was still 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.600 pointing up, the Packers are going to get this done 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.640 and not let Rashaan Gary reach free agency. It's the 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.520 exact same approach they took with Elton Jenkins last year. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.119 This one just happened to the contract extension happened to 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.199 come earlier in the season, whereas with Jenkins it was 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.400 more around Christmas time. But congratulations to Gary. As Matt 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.399 Lafleur said, you love to see guys who put in 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.439 the work and go about it the right way and 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.040 have the approach that Gary has, and a guy who 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.600 is so well liked by his teammates and for what 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.320 he brings to the field, to the locker room and 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.000 everything else, to get rewarded for everything that he puts 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.440