1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, joined as always 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston hod Quitz. We're coming to 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field and Happy 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Halloween to all of you Packers fans out there. Happy Halloween, 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: my friend. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: Thanks buddy. I'm looking forward to it. I'm going to 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: try to gep out of the office a little bit 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: early today. I got a very excited five year old 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: that is ready to hit the streets and get some 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: candy that he probably won't end up eating, but he 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: loves the process. 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and can you spill the beans on the show? 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: What his costume is? 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: Do you know what Wildcrats is? 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: No? 17 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: I don't, Okay, So it's a PBS show. He's a 18 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: huge fan of it. They have like they kind of 19 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: it's two brothers and now it's kind of an animated 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: type show now too, and then they can like transform 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: into like animals and things like that. So he's like, 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: I think it's like a spider monkey kind of thing. 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: So he has like this blue costume and he's very 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: excited about it. 25 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: It sounds like it. It sounds like a very exciting costume. 26 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: So it's a little bit bigger, Like everything's more elaborate 27 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: these days than when I was a kid, when it 28 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: was like, I'm a fireman, you know. Now it's like, oh, 29 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm this character from a TV show that's very niche, 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: but he's pumped about it. Well. 31 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: I would prefer to spend this show talking about Halloween 32 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: and sharing all kinds of Halloween stories, but we actually, 33 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: unfortunately have another Packers loss to talk about, and it's 34 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: the fourth one in a row, this one to the 35 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings at home at Lambeaufield. The final score was 36 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: twenty four to ten. And when you look at how 37 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: this game unfolded, as we talked about last week, a 38 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of similarities to previous games in terms of the 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Packers not being able to get anything going on offense 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: in the first half, and this game in particular, happened 41 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: to then get away from the Packers with that sequence. 42 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the second half, it's ten to three. 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: The beginning of the third quarter, the Vikings get the 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: ball first because they had won the toss and deferred, 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: and in a very short amount of time, the Vikings, 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: drove the length of the field, got a touchdown, they 47 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: get an interception, and then they score another touchdown right away, 48 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: and suddenly, in less than half a quarter, a ten 49 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: to three game becomes a twenty four to three game. 50 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: The Packers are in a catch up desperation mode and 51 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: just once again didn't get it done, and Green Bay 52 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: sits at two and five. 53 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: It wasn't a lot to say about this one afterwards. 54 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: You obviously had the Insider Inbox column for Monday. I 55 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: wrote our audition for Tuesday, and the most salient point 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: I think I raised in this entire thing is there 57 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: have been moments. There have been moments all year long 58 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: for this team. And I'm not going to use the 59 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: Y word. I'm not going to talk about the youth 60 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: of it. But the one thing is Mike, is when 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: you have moments, it gives you hope. But moments also 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 2: don't win you sixty minute football games. And for the Packers, 63 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: I almost equate it. You know, I'm a big MMA guy. 64 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: I almost equated to like an MMA UFC boxing type match. 65 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: Your rounds, you got your quarters, and if you're constantly 66 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: down two rounds on the scorecards, it's going to be 67 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: very difficult to come back, and unless you're throwing a 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: knockout blow late, you're gonna have a very difficult time 69 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: being able to pull it off. And this was another 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: example of it. Mike. I mean, they've gone now, however 71 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: many first halfs now without a touchdown, four or five, 72 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: whatever it's been. And defensively, you know, they can stop 73 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: defenses or they can stop offenses. They can hold Minnesota 74 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: to sixty two rushing yards in this one after having 75 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: some problems defending the run in a few other games, 76 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: but then in this particular contest they're completing the third 77 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: and lungs. It doesn't balance out. Unfortunately for the Packers. 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: It led to their fourth straight loss. 79 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned it. It's a sixty minute game. 80 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: It's a seventeen game season. What I raised in Monday 81 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: Mornings Inbox is that the hallmark of successful professional players, 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: the hallmark of a successful professional team, as those individuals 83 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: you know come together collectively, is players being able to 84 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: have a reasonably consistent level of play. You are you're 85 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: a true pro in this game when you can do 86 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: things consistently, when it's not just the flashes in the moments, 87 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: but it's when you can do that time and time again. 88 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: And sixty minutes is a long game, and seventeen games 89 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: is a long season. You're going to be You're going 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: to be tested, You're going to be tried. You're going 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: to be forced to reach a certain level of consistency 92 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: in order to succeed. And that's that's what the Packers 93 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: continue to search for because ironically, if you have a 94 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of inconsistencies across the board, your results then become 95 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: very consistent. And that's why the Packers are on a 96 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: four game losing streak. The the you know this one 97 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: everybody's you know, talking about, well, you know, when the 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: Packers go into hurry up mode and it's like they 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: start to move the ball and you know, you start 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: to get some points and all that, and it's like, yeah, 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: but when the other team is up multiple touchdowns, you know, 102 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: like they play defense differently, you know, I mean, you 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: can't continue to put yourself in that position. Even though 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: the Packers had some chances to make it a one 105 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: score game in the fourth quarter, you got the block 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: field goal that gave you good field position. You had 107 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: a chance there and then and then when you failed 108 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: in the red zone, you get the sack fumble, and 109 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you get another chance in the red zone to make 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: it a one score game, and the offense fails again. 111 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: But even with all of that, it still comes back 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: to the fact that two and a half quarters into 113 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: the game, you're down twenty four to three and you've 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: done you've done nothing on offense to you know, to 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: to establish anything about who you are. Your only success 116 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: offensively is in desperation mode. And Matt Lafleur talked about that, 117 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: it's like you just you can't you can't live that 118 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: way week after week. And the Packers are just still 119 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: searching to find something that they can establish that they 120 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: can execute successfully consistently, something to build on within any 121 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: given game plan, and the way the first halfs have gone, 122 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the game plan is kind of gets tossed out the 123 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: window at halftime every week. 124 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he said they ran was at fourteen 125 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: plays for the first four series or something like that. 126 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: And you know, you could talk about touches, you can 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, opportunities, but if you aren't able 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: to move the ball on your first four series, it's 129 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: just going to be difficult to just to be able 130 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: to spread the ball around to get Aaron Jones established 131 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: to be able to find, you know, what you're looking 132 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: to achieve. The hardest thing to decipher about this game 133 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: for me was the penalties, because it showed you, again, 134 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: as Matt Lafleur even talked about, if you're not consistent, 135 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: if you're not playing well, you're not going to be 136 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: able to overcome penalties. You know, everything about football is 137 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, two glasses and trying to 138 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: keep the one that you want filled and the one 139 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: that you don't want, you know, empty. But the more 140 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: water that you keep that's taken over the other side 141 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: of the boat, that the quicker you're going to sink. 142 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: And for green Bay it was eleven penalties ninety nine yards. 143 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: How many of those came in third down situations? How 144 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: many times the Packers were in third and ten plus? 145 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: And conversely, for as well as green Bay did defend 146 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Alexander Madison and did defend well against cam Akers, Kirk 147 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: Cousins made some great plays and receivers went along right 148 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: with them. Yeah, Jordan Addison is turning out to be 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: a real stud in this league. And I had huge 150 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: questions about Addison if he was gonna be big enough. 151 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: He proved he can play big enough. I mean, you 152 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: look at what you know, kJ Osborne being a complimentary piece. TJ. 153 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: Hockinson didn't have huge numbers, but it was enough to 154 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: move the chains and. 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: He was pretty darn effective for that. 156 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: I don't I know the Vikings finished like ten of 157 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: eighteen on third downs, but shoot, I wonder what that 158 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: number was through the end of the third quarter. 159 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I was just going to say 160 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: when we talk about the third downs. I mean, what 161 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: stood out to me? And I think I put this 162 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: in Monday Mornings Inbox, although I'll be honest, I wrote, 163 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, answer those questions on Sunday night in a 164 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: bit of a fog after everything that had happened. But 165 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: prior to the play on which Kirk Cousins season unfortunately 166 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: ended with the torn achilles. Prior to that play, Minnesota 167 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: was nine out of fourteen on third downs, and not 168 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: just nine out of fourteen wes, but six of those 169 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: nine conversions they needed either eight or nine yards to convert. 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: And you know, if third downs in general are supposed 171 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: to be roughly you know, a fifty percent proposition, forty 172 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: five fifty percent whatever whatever you want to put on it. 173 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Third and eight plus is supposed to be for an 174 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: offense more like a thirty percent proposition. The defense needs 175 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: to be stopping somewhere between two thirds to three quarters 176 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: of those and to allow six conversions of third an 177 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: eight plus in one game, you know, again, it's it's 178 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: a it's a sign of a team that is inconsistent 179 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: and can't establish anything. Because coming into the game, the 180 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers defense was ninth in the league in 181 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: third down percentage, and then suddenly you have this day 182 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: where third and eight plus and Kirk Cousins is tearing 183 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: you up, and all sorts of things happen that that 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: actually go against the profile that that you had built 185 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: through the first six games defensively. So it's you know, 186 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: it just feels like as soon as the Packers plug 187 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: one leak in the boat, another leak springs up somewhere else, 188 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: and they just continue to they just continue to chase 189 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: this and they've got to find a way to get 190 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: out of it. 191 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: That was the most disheartening piece of it is because 192 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: they were ranked ninth and that was largely with having 193 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: some issues defending the run. But yet the pass defense. 194 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: A lot of times the pass rush was picking them 195 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: up in those third down situations and in this and 196 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: this can you know this case, everything just flipped on 197 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: its axis. And that's again that's the sign of a 198 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: two and five team that's kind of feeling some type 199 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: of way right now. And it was difficult because at 200 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: the same time I remember talking with Preston Smith about 201 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: this afterwards in a little bit with Kenny Clark. I mean, 202 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: the Packers didn't give up on themselves. They didn't pull 203 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: off a second quarter rally or a second half rally, 204 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: excuse me, but they did continue to fight. I mean 205 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: they got the back to back sacks and the block 206 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 2: field goal and then the strip sack late. They there 207 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: were moments certainly that that fourteen play drive in the 208 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: third quarter for the offense, but as I said, it's 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: sixty minutes and you can't play fifteen of it. You 210 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: have to go the full way. 211 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Right And that's the thing. And as much as as 212 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: much as the Packers pass rush clearly had an impact 213 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, not only you know, forcing the 214 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: field goal that got blocked, and then with the backup 215 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: quarterback in for the Vikings, you get the strip sack 216 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: and all that. But through the first three quarters, was 217 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: there much pressure on Kirk Cousins at all. Not really. 218 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: The pass rush didn't really show up until the fourth quarter, 219 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons that, you know, all 220 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: the third and eight pluses were being converted. So, as 221 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: you said at the top, the Packers, they they on 222 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, they show, they show the flashes. 223 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: You see that it's there. But in this league, in 224 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: this league, when you can't do it for more than 225 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: a quarter and a half or two quarters, if you 226 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: can't do it over the bulk of nobody can play 227 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: a perfect game for sixty minutes, or you know, a 228 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: high level game for all sixty minutes. That's too hard. 229 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: But if you can't play the way you're capable of 230 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: playing for enough of those sixty minutes, you're gonna keep 231 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: taking losses every week. And that's what the that's where 232 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: the Packers have to find whatever it is that they 233 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: can that they can do, that they can rely on, 234 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: that they can execute consistently on both sides of the ball, 235 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: and then try to build on that. And it's just 236 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: been it's been a frustrating process to not be able 237 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: to find it now. 238 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: And you know that was where I kind of fell 239 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: for Jeordan into a little bit because Matt Lafleur talked 240 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: about as postgame presser, certainly you touched on it as well. 241 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: Moments Jordan wants to have back, no question about it. 242 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: He talked a lot about his mindset and his mentality 243 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: out there and the things that he has to do better. 244 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: But to have a pass where he actually reads the 245 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: defense perfectly and he has the split safety look and 246 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: he does fire one in there. It wasn't a perfect pass, 247 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: but he does fire it in there for Jaden Reid 248 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: and then the safety collapses and kind of wrestles the 249 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: ball away from him to be the only interception of 250 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: the game. Those are the turning port moments in a 251 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: football game. And you know, and again especially when you've 252 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: had so much difficulty taking the ball away defensively, you 253 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: can have no lapses there. And you know, I think 254 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: that's going to be the big thing that Jason Vrabel 255 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: and in his in the Packers. You know, passing game 256 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: coaches are gonna have to look at this week. Is 257 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: you've got a lot of young talent at receiver, but 258 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: it's also having the strong hands, it's having the body 259 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: and having the physicality to come down with those balls. 260 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs did it a week earlier, and that was 261 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: that was a play where potentially could bend disastrous result 262 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: if he's not fighting for the football against Patrick Sirtan 263 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: junior the way he did. You have to attack the football. 264 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: But again it goes back to the full thing. When 265 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: you're not running the ball well and you're not passing 266 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: the ball particularly well. Some more issues on the offensive 267 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: line this week. There's just a lot of things to fix. 268 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: And the big challenge for Matt Lafleur and his coaching 269 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: staff this particular week getting ready for the Rams is 270 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: where is the emphasis in what do you look to 271 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: improve upon? Because you can't fix everything in six or 272 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: seven days. You have to have a focus and kind 273 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: of work your way forward from there. 274 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had mentioned you had mentioned earlier the 275 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: penalties too, and I don't want to dwell on this 276 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: too much, but going back through the film, you know, 277 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going to excuse 278 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: eleven penalties. That's way too many and it's been a 279 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: problem in other games as well. But if you look 280 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: at this, if you look at just this game in particular, 281 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: you and I were talking about it in the press box. 282 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: What ended up being that fifteen yard penalty on John 283 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: Nathan Owens along the sideline when the Packers win the 284 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: challenge because the pass is incomplete, but the Vikings still 285 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: get fifteen yards and a first down. Like, I don't 286 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: know what Jonathan Owens is supposed to do on that, 287 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: Like he's literally trying to back off, he's trying to 288 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: lay off, and yet he still gets flagged for fifteen yards. 289 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: I took a closer look at where Shaun Gary's roughing 290 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: the passer. When I first saw it, I thought it 291 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: was I thought it was the body weight, you know, 292 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: landing on the quarterback thing. Then when I got a 293 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: closer look at it, it's like, yeah, I mean he 294 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: hit him. I don't see how you could call that 295 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: hit late. And Gary actually lands with his knees on 296 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: the ground, like he didn't land with his whole body 297 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: weight on the quarterback. He stopped and his knees hit 298 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the ground, and yet they still throw the flag for 299 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: fifteen yards. I'm not sure what Rashaan Gary is supposed 300 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: to do on that. You go back to the play 301 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: very early in the game when rashid Walker was flagged 302 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: for being ineligibly downfield. When the Packers had this whole 303 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: busted play and obviously lots of guys on offense were 304 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: not on the same page. Because it's either supposed to 305 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: be a running play or the ball comes out right away. 306 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: Rashid Walker ends up getting flagged illegally downfield. Not his 307 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: fault by any stretch. He's literally standing, he doesn't even 308 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: have anybody to block or anything to do. He's standing 309 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: two yards downfield when Love throws the pass up along 310 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: the sideline and he gets flagged for you know, ineligible 311 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: man downfield has absolutely zero to do with what's going on. 312 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: But that's a penalty that results from everybody else on 313 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: offense not being on the same page and a complete breakdown. 314 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: So again, I'm not excusing eleven penalties, but when you 315 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: look at what happened in this particular games, there are 316 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: a lot of them that are just that are absolute 317 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: head scratchers that you just kind of go like, what 318 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: is going on out there? And why why do these 319 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: continue to pile up against Greenback. 320 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no news with Sean Hockeley's crew with 321 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: how they called this game. Now again, as Mattel four, 322 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: will be the first one to tell you, you have 323 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: to play better to not allow those moments to affect 324 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: the outcome of a game exactly. 325 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: Pack that's one hundred percent true. 326 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: But that being said, it came back to a lot 327 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: of the things that I've had an issue with the 328 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: National Football League in the last ten years. The Jonathan 329 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: Owens thing and the Rashan Gary thing are actually very 330 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: similar if you actually go back and look at them, 331 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: if you watch them in real time. Don't slow it down, 332 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: just watch it in real time. Both times, the defensive 333 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: player is kind of being shielded from what he's seeing 334 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: on the play by another defensive player. Jonathan Owens is 335 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: the second safety involved on that play down the sideline. 336 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: Rudy Ford, I believe it was was directly in front 337 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: of him. He's just trying to stop the play and 338 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: as it turns out, dude, if he could have actually 339 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: seen Jordan Addison putting his head down on that play, 340 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: I believe it was Addison. He's going to be able 341 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: to pull off. He doesn't see that though. All he's 342 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: the twenty jersey in front of him bang bang play 343 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: fifteen yards, as I joked about on Twitter x or whatever, 344 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: the one thing that that challenge in addition to actually 345 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: overturning the catch, which again, it was just an amazing 346 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: play by the referees to just get everything correct on 347 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: that play, considering they incorrectly said that that was a reception. 348 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: But what was funny the most about is New York. 349 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: And then they both got a good look at that 350 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: play again and there's nothing you can do. You can't 351 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: overturn a penalty. But like, it was just a ridiculous call. 352 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was. It was absolutely ridicuous. 353 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: And then watch the Gary. You can watch the TV copy. 354 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: You don't even need to watch, like the football copy 355 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: that all twenty two films. Watch the TV copy of 356 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: the Gary hit. Watch it at full speed, and you 357 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: tell me exactly what Rashaun Gary's supposed to do when 358 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: his job description is to attack the quarterback, to get 359 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: after the quarterback. Yeah, bang bang play, Kingsleyannigbari. 360 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I was. I was just going to say. This 361 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: is this discussion is essentially about not all penalties, even 362 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: ones with the same name, are created equal because what 363 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Kingsleyanbari did was absolutely roughing the passer and absolutely a 364 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: lack of discipline. And that is absolutely the type of 365 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: penalty the Packers have to eliminate from their game. The 366 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: other roughing the passer around Rashaan Gary. I don't know 367 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: what he's supposed to do. 368 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: I could have swore that I would play math football. 369 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it was and gay, it was the Vikings, 370 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: and it was Kirk Cousins at lambeau Field two. You know, 371 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: Week two of twenty eighteen over again. All right, well, 372 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: we'll move on to a couple of other topics. I'll 373 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: take care of some sponsor business here. First, Serious XMNFO 374 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute 375 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: NFL news that true football fanatics Steed twenty four to seven, 376 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: three sixty five and Ed Cousin Subs. We have something 377 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: for everyone, like our Wisconsin cheese curds, mac and cheese, 378 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: golden fries and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite 379 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: sub or sub and a bowl Cousin Subs. Fifty years 380 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: of better, Big news on Monday. Rashaan Gary, We've already 381 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: been talking about him. Rashan Gary is going to be 382 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: a Green Bay Packer for quite some time. He signs 383 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: a multi year contract extension. He was playing this year 384 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: on the rookie first round pick, fifth year option, and 385 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: we sort of knew this was how it was going 386 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: to go that as soon as Rashaun Gary showed that 387 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: he was back from the ACL and back to his 388 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: old self and the era of his career was still 389 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: pointing up, the Packers are going to get this done 390 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: and not let Rashaan Gary reach free agency. It's the 391 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: exact same approach they took with Elton Jenkins last year. 392 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: This one just happened to the contract extension happened to 393 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: come earlier in the season, whereas with Jenkins it was 394 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: more around Christmas time. But congratulations to Gary. As Matt 395 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: Lafleur said, you love to see guys who put in 396 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: the work and go about it the right way and 397 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: have the approach that Gary has, and a guy who 398 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: is so well liked by his teammates and for what 399 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: he brings to the field, to the locker room and 400 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: everything else, to get rewarded for everything that he puts 401 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: in and hopefully, you know, as I said, for Sean, 402 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: Gary's arrow is continuing to point up with regards to 403 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: his career. The Packers defense is going to benefit from 404 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: that for years to. 405 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: Comb quintessential Packers move taking care of one of their 406 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: own and doing it with a little bit of time 407 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: left on his contract to help you spread out that 408 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: signing bonus. And let's be honest, Mike, this deal probably 409 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 2: gets done last December if if Rashawn doesn't tear as 410 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: acl that's the only. 411 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: Question, absolutely that and and for all we know there 412 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: was something in the works. Yeah, you know, because these 413 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: things don't happen overnight. There may have been something in 414 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: the works last year before Gary's injury, and then when 415 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: something like that happens, you know, it all gets put 416 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: on hold. 417 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: He was on such a tear at the beginning of 418 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: last season, and then for him to come back his 419 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: second game really back, and well, technically I guess it 420 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: would be the third, but first at Lambo, the three 421 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: SAT game against New Orleans, and just that every single 422 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: week he's taken steps and you know, forty six season 423 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: I forty six snaps. This past weekend against Minnesota, both 424 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark and Preston both gave him credit to I mean, 425 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: the stats maybe didn't show up as much, but he 426 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: was effective and contribute on both of their individual sacks. 427 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: Just the type of game wrecker green Bay needs upfront 428 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: in the trenches and a guy that they can move 429 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: around and be versatile with. And the biggest piece of all, 430 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: as you said, Michael still only twenty five years old, 431 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean, so much still ahead of him in terms 432 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: of his game and his development, trying to become, as 433 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: he even said in the locker room on Monday, you know, 434 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: the man he's becoming, the players, he's becoming, the belief 435 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: that Green Bay has shown in him, and ultimately, you know, 436 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: trying to prove to them that, hey, you guys have 437 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 2: made a huge investment in me in twenty nineteen, You're 438 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: doing it again in twenty twenty three, and I want 439 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: to be that all pro Pro Bowl type pass rusher 440 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: that you can lean on for years to come. Yeah. 441 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's He's a big part. He's a big part 442 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: of what the Packers are are doing defensively, and he's 443 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean the fact that he wears number 444 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: fifty two is kind of fitting because this does feel 445 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot like when you know, when the Packers got 446 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: Clay Matthews in the fold long term, and he was. 447 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, he's a centerpiece type of defensive player that 448 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: you build your process, you build your scheme around, you 449 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: build your game plans around what you think Rashaun Gary 450 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: can do out on the field on a weekly basis, 451 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: and that's where the Packers defense is headed. 452 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this too, I just interrupt you. Yeah, 453 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: it was cool him talking. He talked for about eight 454 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: minutes at his locker on Monday, already all business. He 455 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: probably said the word rams more than any other word 456 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: during the presser, very much focused on that. But he 457 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: did get I'm not going to say he cried. He 458 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: didn't cry, but you could tell the emotions kind of 459 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: pouring through him a little bit at least, kind of 460 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: going through him talking about his mom and his sister 461 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 2: being alongside him when he did sign that contract right 462 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: before the game. Two ladies that have been with him 463 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: since the beginning, as he said, since seventh grade when 464 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: he started football to now and been on that journey 465 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: with him and to be able. You can just see 466 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: how proud he was of that because it has been 467 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: for a lot of people. NFL is a is a 468 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: life changing opportunity, but you can tell more than just money, 469 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: the amount of pride that he felt being able to 470 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: become the man and player that you know, his mom 471 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 2: thought he could be, and that he's tried to prove 472 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: that he can be for her at this point in 473 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: his life. 474 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to do that also coming back from such 475 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: a devastating injury a year ago actually just I guess 476 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: fifty one weeks ago, like right right around there, if 477 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: my math is correct. A couple other things I want 478 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: to hit on, just with regard to other results around 479 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: the league. We do like to talk about kind of 480 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: what else is out there. And I'm not sure. I'm 481 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: not sure what you thought, Wes, but but when I 482 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: saw kind of what was happening in Week eight with 483 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: some of the results, what I kept coming back to 484 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: mentally is we're seeing we're seeing some good teams and 485 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: teams that a lot of people believe would be good 486 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: teams and playoff contenders and all that showing their medal 487 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of bouncing back from some 488 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: rough spots. You know, the Detroit Lions, you know, they 489 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: got it handed to them by the Baltimore Ravens, but 490 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: then they come back their first home Monday, night football game, 491 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: and however, many years at Ford Field and they get 492 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: a victory. The Cincinnati Bengals were scuffling along. You know, 493 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow wasn't entirely healthy with the calf injury, and 494 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals had these issues and they get a big, 495 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, two touchdown win over the San Francisco forty 496 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: nine ers on the road. A couple of weeks ago, 497 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys got smacked around by the forty nine ers, 498 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: and now they've come back and you know, they put 499 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: a they put a pounding on the the La Rams, 500 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: who will be coming into lambeau Field this week. I think, 501 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, the score was like thirty three to three 502 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: or something like that before before the Rams really found 503 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: anything offensively. So that's kind of what I've been That's 504 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: kind of what I've been seeing. And I think the 505 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 1: next team to show, now they have a bye this 506 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: week with the three straight losses, but the next team 507 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: to show, okay, are you going to bounce back from 508 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: the adversity is the forty nine ers, who have now 509 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: gone from five to zero to five and three. You know, 510 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: their quarterback has you know, was you know, brought back 511 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: on six days from concussion protocol. A lot of people 512 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: questioning that the Niners didn't play that well against against 513 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: the Bengals. I think that's that's the next one to watch. 514 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: And and the Kansas City Chiefs they go into Denver, 515 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, streaks are always going to end. 516 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they had beaten the Denver Broncos sixteen consecutive times, 517 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: one of their division rivals. They go into Denver on 518 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: a snowy Sunday and somehow Patrick Mahomes and company they 519 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: only score nine points, and they had almost that many turnovers. 520 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: I think they had five or six or whatever it was. 521 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: You know, just goes to show that when you don't 522 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: protect the football, you start turning it over. Anybody can 523 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: anybody can beat you. So so the Chiefs have some 524 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: adversity to respond to now, as well. 525 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: Tons of respect for Patrick Mahomes going out there and 526 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: toughing it out. Probably shouldn't have just played in that game. 527 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: Probably should have just called that one a night. And 528 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: given you know, Blain Gabbard an opportunity there. I just 529 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: didn't seem like himself and Denver man I told you 530 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: two weeks ago. I mean not that I'm some kind 531 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: of Southsayer. But I mean, like when we were talking 532 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: about going into the Packer game, I thought Denver did 533 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: a lot of good things, especially defensively against Kansas City, 534 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: and it seemed like they made the corrections they needed 535 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: to make. And I mean one hundred and fourteen passing 536 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: yards and three touchdowns for Russell Wilson. I mean, yeah, 537 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: not the biggest stat line you're ever gonna see, but 538 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: when you're efficient and when you commit yourself to the 539 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: run the way that they did, they controlled the game 540 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: and they ultimately protected the ball better and were able to 541 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: succeed Detroit was a real gut check I felt like, 542 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: because yeah, I mean, Vegas is just in shambles right now. 543 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: I feel terrible for what's happening with DeVante there. 544 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we all do. 545 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: But I mean they they made a and Jamiir Gibbs, 546 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: I thought we not thought he did have the best 547 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: game of his career so far and showed, hey, I 548 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: can be an every down back if you need me 549 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: to be. 550 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel it. You feel like that guy is 551 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: maybe just starting to get going, and you know, I 552 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: mean they're going to get David Montgomery back and then 553 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: suddenly the Lions are going to have this two headed 554 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: monster in the backfield and to give their offensive coordinator 555 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson all sorts of options. 556 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: But it's for me, it's all about Aaron Glenn and 557 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: that defense because that is the one area we've seen 558 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: Ben Johnson make some good play calls. We've seen their 559 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 2: offense do some good things. Jamal Williams had thirty eight 560 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns last year, but defensively the last eleven months. Man, 561 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: I keep saying it, but I mean, they're a different team, 562 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of it is with that 563 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: young pass rusher of Theirs and doing the thriller dance 564 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: and everything with his background. But they just they Vegas 565 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: just could not do anything against them. Yeah, Josh Jacobs 566 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: has been neutralized, DeVante's been neutralized. Brutal. 567 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. One other, one other thought I wanted to ask you, 568 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into a whole discussion 569 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: because it's a discussion for another t. 570 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: It's about how the Giant's almost one with eight passing yards. 571 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: Well, actually I was I was thinking about bringing that up, 572 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: but I know, I know we're kind of we're kind 573 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: of pushing our limits time wise. 574 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 575 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, did you see did 576 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: you see the touchdown that the Eagles scored out of 577 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: the tush push formation. 578 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: I don't think I did. Know. 579 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, they just they just made that play 580 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: that much harder to defend because they lined up in 581 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: a short yardage with the two guys behind Jalen Hurts 582 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: looking like they're going to do the whole tush push thing. 583 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: And then and one of the guys behind Hurts was 584 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift, and Hurts took the snap, spun around, handed 585 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: it off to him, and he just turned the corner 586 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: and was gone touchdown. I mean, you, now, what do 587 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: you do? Like, how do you how in the world 588 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: do you defend the Eagles on short yardage when they 589 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: can do that and they're also successful with the tush 590 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: push thing like eighty nine and a half percent of 591 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: the time or whatever. I mean the Eagle The Eagles 592 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: are seven and one, and my personal opinion, I know 593 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: they've got some they've got some issues to sort out defensively, 594 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: but but it feels to me like the Eagles maybe 595 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: are just starting to hit their stride. 596 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, And it's funny to be that, you know, 597 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey. There are these questions about, hey, is he 598 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: gonna call quits after the Super Bowl. I mean, that 599 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: guy's playing as good of football as he's ever played 600 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: right now, and he is the catalyst to that play. 601 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: He probably loves that play more than anybody else. You know, 602 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: it's probably fun for him. 603 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: It's like a little sumo wrestler, you know, just kind 604 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: of pushing people around. But the other thing I will 605 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: mention is Nick Sirianni and the adjustments you have to 606 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: make in this league. And unfortunately I did not get 607 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: a chance to see that play, but it just it 608 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: reminds me of you can't fall into patterns. I think 609 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I've said this on 610 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: some of the other things I've done this week. You know, 611 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: Brian Flores impressed me about what the Vikings did on Sunday. 612 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: They're blitzing more than any other team the National Football League. 613 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: So all right, we're gonna put nine guys up on 614 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and we're gonna drop eight. I mean, like, yeah, 615 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: they it's the adjustments you make off of what you're 616 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: showing on film and when you decide to turn that 617 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: switch and certainly the Eagles have been on the cutting 618 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: edge of it and they've continued to sort of dominate 619 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: this thing. 620 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there are some really good games on the 621 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: schedule in the NFL in Week nine, and we'll talk 622 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: about those on our next show as we preview Packers 623 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: and Rams, which will be at Lambeufield on Sunday at noon. 624 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: But for now, we're going to call it a rap 625 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers on Script. You'd be sure 626 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team all 627 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: week long. We have it all for you on Packers 628 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: dot com. For Wes, I'm Miike. Thank you for tuning 629 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: in everybody. We will see you next time.