WEBVTT - Nathan Adrian 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.880 Welcome to the Sports Bubble, a production of I Heart 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:14.000 Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen carp and 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.799 I'm a sports fan and listen. I admit when I'm wrong, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:18.919 and I was wrong about the NBA Bubble because it 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.159 has been fantastic. It's still early to call it a 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.000 total success. But between the emergence of t J Warren 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.600 that out of this world passed from Luca, Patrick Beverley 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.160 doing Patrick Beverley things to Dame and the Lakers kind 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.880 of looking beautibule. I mean, the storylines are alive and well. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.280 I even got a little jealous of those virtual fans 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.400 last weekend. I'm starting to think these playoffs will be enjoyable. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.600 Definitely different considering we're seeing some real Lionel Huts level 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.960 at offense. But I can't say it won't be fun 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:47.000 and say if it seems, congrats to our Lord and 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.360 Xavior Adam Silver. And while he's doing his job, I'm 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.840 doing mine, interviewing athletes and sports industry professionals to find 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.360 out how they're doing during this very weird time because 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.200 someone has to. This is the Sports Bubble with Jensen 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:05.640 carpon competitive swimmer Nathan Adrian is a three time Olympian 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.320 and five time gold medalist who faced the biggest challenge 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.360 of his life in two thousand nineteen when he was 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.720 diagnosed and treated for testicular cancer. He fought his way 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.040 through recovery, staying out of the water for almost a year, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.160 the longest he'd went since he was four years old, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.319 and he figured that was the last hurdle he'd have 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:21.840 to jump on his way to once again compete in 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.800 the Olympics taking place in Tokyo. And then, well, we 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.320 all know what happened next. And let's be honest here. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.200 At any point during COVID did you think about pools? Well? 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.319 I didn't, but it's safe to assume that if Olive 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.880 Garden can't open its stores, any public training pool is 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.360 having just as difficult of a time staying open. And 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.480 so now with one and his crosshairs, Adrian and the 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.600 rest of the hopeful US team are trying their hardest 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.800 to stay ready for the Games by jumping town to 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.400 town to find regulations that allow them to swim and 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.720 most importantly, stay safe. On this episode, we talked about 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.320 those hardships, how the postponement may have actually helped his 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.800 training and how his public health degree keeps him up 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.000 at night these days, and I find out if Katie 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.560 a deck, he is a warlock. And if you can 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.520 balance a bad beatsa on your head while swimming. Join 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:15.959 me today with Nathan Adrian in the Sports Bubble from 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.359 Basan Adrian to accept Press one. Hey, how's it going, man? 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.400 It's going well, thank you yourself, well as well as 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.120 it can. We are. We're talking at the end of 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.880 a week where certain states are seeing these large spikes 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.240 in coronavirus cases and debts, and I guess we've been 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.880 really like writing the roller coaster on this podcast. So 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.880 I'm still asking people where you've been through all this 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:40.160 and if you've loosened up at all with quarantine. All right, yeah, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.880 no problem. I'm in Oakland, I am in a Bay area, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.240 and we were first to shelter in place, and honestly, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.280 I'm assuming that we are probably going to be the 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.000 last to continue to shelter in place, even as the 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.880 vaccine comes out and with that rollout um and and 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.760 all of that good stuff. So where we are right now, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.919 it's it's really complicated because Alameda County contains both Oakland 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.560 and the city of Berkeley, and the City of Berkeley 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.480 also has its own public health department. So even though 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.919 we have two massive fifty pools and a great training 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.800 facility at cal because that is within the city limits 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.680 of the City of Berkeley, like Alameda County has given 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.040 sb okay to swim there, but the City of Berkeley 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.480 Public Health Department still hasn't. So we're we're doing the 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.280 same thing that a lot of other people are doing 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.600 and struggling to find pool space outside of our normal 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:35.280 training facilities. And I am pretty hardcore lockdown. I mean, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.880 it's massed on any time on outside of the house 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.120 and you know, still doing the grocery delivery thing, trying 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.600 to cook at home as much as possible with doing 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.880 with the exception of you know, getting take out maybe 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.000 once or twice a week. Sure, well, you're the first 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.080 competitive swimmer I've spoken to on the show, so it's 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.680 gonna be an elementary question. But once we saw the 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.880 nation sort of shut down from the outbreak, does that 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.240 just close all pools to training? Basically? I think that's 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.680 just kind of a broad rush statement. Absolutely. Um, you know, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.960 one of the unique things and challenges that we as 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.800 competitive swimmers are stays with especially now more than ever, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.880 was starting to define the difference between training and being 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.280 a professional athlete in the pool versus country club and 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.720 a lot of public health departments. I mean, the bandwidth 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.720 was you know, at its absolute capacity. Uh, and it 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.479 was hard to get any anyone to hear or or 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.440 create differentiations for us. So we kind of are all 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.640 operating under this overarching you know, quote un pool definition 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.760 and a lot of people think, you know, pool restrictions. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.840 Oh no, we're not going to be able to go 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.280 to the Fourth of July celebration and do a coin 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.520 dive at our local country club or community pool. But 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.160 and that that probably goes without saying. But you know, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.479 after the lockdown, I mean, swimming one per lane in 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:05.159 a a closely monitored chlorinated outdoor pool has certainly, at 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.840 least to me, shown that it's been pretty safe. Well, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.559 I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it going with these basic 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.960 questions because I do, other than being a fan of 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.920 going into the pool, I don't know a ton about swimming. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.279 So you'll have to tell me. Is the idea of 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.120 having a house pool, you know, just the normal pool 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.760 that we had growing up and swimming in friends houses, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.240 and you know, like, is is that able to be 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.960 trained in or is it just am I asking if 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.880 you can, you know, play baseball in a small toy. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:37.640 That's probably a fair comparison, you know, it is sort 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.760 of life. Maybe getting a professional baseball player out there 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.119 with a whiffleball in a plastic hollow bad or something. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.760 It is good to to do something. It's good to 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.400 get that feel for the water. But unless you are 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.080 your backyard pool is at least twenty five yards with 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.600 good spill over gutters. I'm getting technical here, which means 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.160 that you have to have a search tank and that 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.200 it's as a lot of construction costs. It's it's not 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.960 quite the same. And not only that, but for as 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.000 individual as a as a sport of swimming is, there's 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.800 something to be said about having teammates around you, you know, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.920 for your for your days where you're hurting a little 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.599 bit and you need some you know, motivation either racing 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.360 them or watching them perform or doing doing something because 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.440 it's it's hard. It's hard to train alone, no doubt 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.160 about it, and you have to have those teammates they're 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.719 pushing you every day. Is really important and that's that's 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.520 one of the things that has been a big adjustment. Yeah, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.040 I know you're a football guy, but I don't know 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.080 if you watched any basketball. They had a horse competition 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.720 through the NBA before the league restarted, and they would 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.600 show us this is pretty early in the quarantine, but 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.520 they would show us people's homes and that was you know, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.400 they shot you know, from their phone or whatever, and 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.280 they play horse remotely. It was so weird. But one 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.160 of the things that I was shocked with was like 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.200 they were like, Okay, let's go to Mike Connelly's house, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.599 and Mike Connelly had like a full court basketball, you know, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.520 like a full literally a full gym in his house. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.320 And I'm wondering, do do any swimmers or at now? 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.440 Are they thinking about getting like a real pool if 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.520 they have that kind of kind of dough like a 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:10.520 Michael Phelps. I mean yes, but probably no Olympic sized 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.840 swimming pool is fifty Olympic sized swimming pool depth is 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.320 you know, ten about ten feet? I mean I could 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.880 I could do the math for you right if I 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.760 had a calculator, but I mean it's hundreds of thousands 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.360 of gallons. You gotta have really massive pumps to to 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.720 get the hit the filtration rate for that, you gotta 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.240 be adding chlorine. It's it's a lot more complicated than 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.520 putting in a really nice basketball court in your in 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.720 your house. I'll take that, Mike Conley. But I do 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.400 I do like the idea of just having one one lane, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.000 just one lane in your backyard that goes on, doesn't 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.520 You don't have to have the whole pool. Well, so 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.680 there's also the ability to endless pools, which is for 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.040 the average swimmer perfectly adequate to to stay in shape 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.360 or even you know, lose some corona quarantine pounds. But 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.800 it really is just not quite the same as actually 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.000 moving through the like you know, so much of swimming 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.440 is about your fuel and I guess that would be 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.440 maybe to bring in another sports analogy, like similar to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.480 hitting off of hitting off of mats versus getting off 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.320 of grass and golf. Right, that makes sense. Well, how 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.560 then tell me how do you train without without a pool? 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.040 How do you train for swimming? I mean, you're on 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.800 the Olympic team. I know you found out that the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.720 Olympics were were canceled while you were actually training with 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.040 your team, So like, what what do you do now, well, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.040 right now because Calis clothes were actually going to the 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.680 neighboring county. Kind of counterproductive, I know, when we have 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.800 you know, two massive, awesome fifty pools and now we're 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.760 having to pay to rent space at facility that's not 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.640 quite as good. But that's the game that we're playing 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.600 right now, and we're doing our best. Our coach has 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.280 made great adjustments for us in terms of what we're 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.280 doing in the water to try to you know, maximize 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.400 the games that we can achieve from from not having 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.040 access to our our normal pool. And then on the 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:00.880 other side of that, I'm all so. I also like, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.920 right when we went to shelter in Place, I went 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.480 online and ordered some some weight so I can have 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.040 a little home Jim set up because I figured that 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.000 this is gonna last a little longer than most people anticipated, 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.520 which I am very thankful for now because it seems that, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.080 you know, home Jim set ups are completely sold out 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.559 acrost the nation, So I'm really glad I have that 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.480 little setup going in the garage to to really help 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.040 bridge that gap. Yeah, it's hard to imagine anyone is 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.560 happy about quarantine, but I would clearly get in a 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.120 fight with people who own a home gym company or 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.360 like sweats. Those people are having the best time of 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.520 their lives. Are really well, let's talk about some serious things. 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.920 You did what many people did during this time in history. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:44.560 You adopted a dog. Yes, okay, How to be honest, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.559 how much does this help? Because I have a dog, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.600 and boy did I turn to him many times during 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.560 this But how much does it help when you feel 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.760 like the world is ending to have man's best friend? 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.880 You know? For any listeners out there who do you 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.559 have a dog or maybe have access to it, you know, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.280 neighbor dog or something, I would encourage them to limit 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.640 their news intake to you know, ten or fifteen minutes 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.960 and then spend the additional time in their day with 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.560 a dog. I really genuinely believe that would make the 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.480 world a happier play. It truly does. Yeah, exactly, I mean, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.880 it really does. It really does. Is helpful to kind 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.800 of lift your spirits and even walking in the house 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.720 after a tough practice, um and and having a dog 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.600 great you and just kind of you know, wag your 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.360 tail and and try her best to not jump because 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.880 you know, we're trying to train or not to jump 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.760 on me um, but it is. It really is the 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.600 best feeling getting home and having a happy stays treating 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.079 you well. You were open about your treatment for testicular 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.040 cancer in two thousand nineteen and you were rigorously training 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.600 to make the Olympic team. You still are, but with 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.640 this delay, now, I wonder does this actually help you 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.080 with recovery and getting back into shape because you were 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.160 on a bit of a sped up timeline. Absolutely. It 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.480 took me a little bit so to realize and appreciate 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.560 that fact just as as it would so. I have 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.160 definitely been able to gain more strength back, and because 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.000 as you mentioned, you know, I was on a little 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.920 bit of an accelerated timeline, I've kind of being able 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.040 to step back work through some fundamentals, especially in the 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.440 weight room, also in in the pool, to kind of 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.280 patch over some spots that we had maybe rushed through 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.480 in our initial return. So I feel great about we are, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.959 where we are, where are at right now and uh 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.400 and where we're going. Yeah. I mean that during the 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.520 surgery and the treatment you had, that was the longest 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.240 you went without swimming since you were four. You didn't 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.400 miss that much time because of it. Sounds like because 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.720 of coronavirus. Really, I mean the shutdown and then and 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.680 then you found you know, you found pools that worked 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.360 out for the team. Yeah, yeah, exactly, so that that 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.440 was definitely longest. Yeah, that was longest by far. So 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.560 we were yeah, we were fortunate. We found some We 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.640 found the pool space um to to sweam Att pretty 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.960 pretty shortly after the you know, shelter place, and some 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.760 restrictions were lifted just to maintain a little bit of 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.800 of swimming, you know, if we weren't going. But but 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.720 we did what we could. Okay, now this is my 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.720 question about your teammates. You bring them up. I have 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.160 a question, how do they understand? I mean, this is 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.560 a big question that there are no other public health 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.560 grads from UC Berkeley on the team. I don't know 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.920 that's a good Is that a question? I mean, I'm 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.600 being honest because here's the thing, right, I'm honest. I'm 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.440 on Olympic swim team. I we're all scared, We're all like, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.120 can we practice? And then there's a dude whose education 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.199 has come into play. Yeah, you know, I guess I can't. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.040 I have an undergrad degree in public health, and that's 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.800 that is relatively rare. Berkeley is actually one of the 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.160 few places that offers that undergrad degree. Most of the 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.680 time it's actually a pastor's or a doctorate level degree. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 And I'm not trying to elevate my status because that 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.360 I'm just saying I don't know as much as you 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.800 know your your typical public health officials. I would honestly 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.880 just say that I was in classes that warned us 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:07.359 about what is currently happening and knew that it was possible. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.400 And I mean, looking back, even I had I had 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:16.480 a friend who worked downtown San Francisco and he sent 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:21.480 a time last video of that cruise ship that had 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.760 the coronavirus patients coming into Oakland, and I just remember 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.720 seeing that now is just terrified. I was like, this 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.680 is this, like we are we are introducing this into 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.320 our population, and I hope that it's going to be 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.920 you know, managed properly, and as we look back, unfortunately 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.760 it wasn't. There's certainly a lot of lessons to be 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.120 learned there. But but yeah, I think I probably had 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.439 my alarm alarm bells ringing a little bit before most people. Yeah, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.640 I can only imagine I was an international relations minor 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.400 for a second, and it wasn't something that I like 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.400 really truly wanted to get into, but I was so 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.599 interested in it. And we had one professor back in 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.559 got and he and I even like emailed parents, So 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.560 I was so like happy that I had like recorded 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.439 it down. But he goes, you know, in the next 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.360 four or five years, we're gonna have some crazy terrorist 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.200 attack from Osama bin Laden. And I didn't really know 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.280 who Osama bin Laden was or anything, so I'm freaking 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.040 out there. And then as soon as the you know, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.040 terrible nine eleven happens, I even my parents were like 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.840 that guy told you, and I feel like you must 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.880 have had a similar instance with this, where like you 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:27.560 immediately knew what kind of damage, what kind of terrible 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.600 few months we could have in the US because of 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.240 a pandemic something that I thought was just like a 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.240 board game name until five months ago. Yeah, I mean 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.600 it was you're gonna're gonna You're gonna hit some hot 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.800 spots with me, and um so I do. I very 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.640 distinctly remember when it was starting to experience community spread, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.240 and even when Dr Fauci and uh the American Surgeon 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.200 generally unfortunately forgot his name right now, we're talking about 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.200 not wearing masks, and I was very upset about it. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.440 I mean, how are you going to have places like 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.560 Hong Kong and Taiwan who are essentially you know, they 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.120 like Hong Kong obviously shares a border with Taiwan and 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.040 taiwanas Hong Kong shared at the border with with China, 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.280 Taiwan is a hundred miles off the coast. There are 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.400 people going back and forth all the time. And both 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.400 of those countries managed to contain the virus very very quickly. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.800 Um and part of their culture is wearing masks. Even 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.200 when there's not a global pandemic. You see people wearing masks. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.400 I'm like that, there's something to be said about that. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.480 And and that was a huge key to their success. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.000 And and here we are, so many months later, still 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.000 debating the efficacy of masks, and I just just is 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.240 that's the reason why I have to turn off the 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.280 news my dog. Yep, Well, that's the reason you adopt 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.920 a dog. I get it. You are heavily involved with 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.120 the next generation of swimmers, whether it's just through social 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.440 media or through your team or the school you run with. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.200 Will Copeland. As far as training for the Olympics, and 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.320 you're a bit of a veteran now on the team, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.800 how do you help them that the younger guys keep 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.960 the momentum they had before the down. That's a that's 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.040 a very individualized question. So there are a lot of 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:12.560 different ways that people are motivated and watching like my 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.800 teammates and trying to just maybe create some some reframes 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.440 in their minds, you know, looking at the next year 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.840 as an opportunity rather than a burden, or trying to 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.760 figure out how to get them, you know, get the 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.880 most out of them in practice by raising them this 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.480 or that, or you know, knowing that they're on a 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.120 great track and they don't need any of my help, 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.680 like I could only really hurt them. You know, you've 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.720 got to really get to know a person or your 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:44.600 teammate before you you you try to intervene in anyway. Sure, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:46.800 let's get hot button again real quick. I wanted to 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.080 talk to you about your mom for a second. She 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.040 was a school district nurse. Correct, Yep, that is a 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.480 role that could not be more front and center when 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.000 we were talking locally, at least in people's neighborhoods to 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.120 everyone in the United States right now. It just she 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.480 have an opinion about everything going back to school, that 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.760 the fact that we're putting our children in these situations. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.760 I mean, she would be the person. She would be 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.400 the person working pretty much twenty four hours a day 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.800 right now, I assume, I mean, yeah, she's not. Let 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.600 me put it this way, my mom has not really 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.480 been in close contact with any of her grandchildren. She 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.640 will have an outdoor picnic socially distance and normally she 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.440 you know, sees and hangs out and and helps with childcare. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.920 I don't know, anywhere from one to three times a week. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.520 And ever since I started. I mean I remember following 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.440 her saying you you need to stop that, like immediately, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.200 and she was like no. I was like, no, no, Mom, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.320 it's in Like I mean, we had a we had 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.840 a pulmonologist from from Denver come and talk to us 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.719 while we were at the training camp, and basically he said, hey, listen, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.680 based off of our knowledge and this is the way 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.920 back in February. So based off of our knowledge, right now, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.760 we anybody over sixty that gets this disease. It's literally 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.480 like playing Russian roulette. With the revolver, uh and having 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.800 one bullet in the chamber, and I was like, whoa, 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.200 that's like that put it into perspective for me. So, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.280 you know, a seventeen chance of dying, like you wouldn't 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.320 play Russian roulette, right, Like you would do everything in 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.600 your power to not have to do that. So my 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.119 mom and my dad are are doing essentially that until 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.879 you know, a vaccine or or the numbers go down. 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.960 And to your point, I mean, yeah, she's not in 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.760 support of of going back to school. I mean she lives. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.640 She also lives in Washington State. They are they've been 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.560 they've handled that. I was pretty well, um, and are 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.479 pretty conservative with the handling of public health. We've been 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.320 telling people because we have my wife and I have 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.119 a one year old, and we're so lucky that we 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.560 don't have to make that decision right now, you know 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.639 that whether school or not. And we're not, you know, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.000 we're not in the situation to make that because some people, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.080 you know, both of us work at sometimes like it 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.439 would be impossible to take care of him, you know, 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.040 all day long for another five six months and we 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.240 would have to I mean, that's that's where we would 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.760 we we are not letting them out. But you know, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.240 your mom probably took our job very serious, and it 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.160 would be a very hard decision for any of these 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.720 teachers or these nurses that know they have a job 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.400 that they love and a responsibility that they love to 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:27.600 to not go or go. What a difficult decision for them. Yeah, absolutely, 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.639 I mean they're they're really they're stuck in between a 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.800 rock and a hard place. You don't go into teaching 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.280 or school nursing because you're going to get rich, That's right. 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.600 You go into teaching or school nursing because you love kids, 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.440 you love what's happening at the school, and you want 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.760 to help the generation beyond your own. And again, it 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.000 just comes down so much to you know, what's happening 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.080 at your community level. Like I live in my little 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.880 bubble in Oakland, Alama County has I think one point 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.320 six million people like we do have. You know, we 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.960 have days where we have four I have six cases. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.480 So yeah, no, I don't necessarily think that we should 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.960 be going back to school. But if you're in you know, Wyoming, Montana, 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.400 it's in in a rural district and you haven't had 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.080 cases for two weeks, like, of course you need to 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.280 go back to school. And I'm not trying to suggest that, 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.760 you know, people shouldn't go back to school the entire 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.320 year or whatever. It's just it really just has to 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.160 be managed and managed closely because it's very stressful and 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.600 and dangerous to to fit and wait for test results 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.000 for a week and wonder if you may have gotten it. Yeah, 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.760