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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Mit,
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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. And a quick question,
Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, what's your sign?
Speaker 4: You're flirting with me?
Speaker 3: I'm always always negotiating. We're doing it. We're doing it tonight,
Speaker 3: folks look at us a pride of Leo's as Western
Speaker 3: astrology says doing believe it or not? An astrology episode
Speaker 3: now for a lot of us in the crowd tonight.
Speaker 3: When you hear the word astrology, it instantly conjures up
Speaker 3: images of Western astrology. So maybe we make some space.
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to talk about your own experiences
Speaker 3: with astrology? Do you have any meaningful ones.
Speaker 5: Well being that we're all Leo's. Ben, didn't you pull
Speaker 5: a horoscope for the three of us?
Speaker 3: Yes, we are recorded on February twenty eight, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: as the current calendar reckons and our horoscope for us
Speaker 3: now not counting Tennessee Pal Dylan aka the Rudebega King,
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rude Vegas. From a listener mail segment earlier.
Speaker 3: Dylan is a Virgo. If you are Leo, here's what
Speaker 3: astrology dot Com says about you. Do you want to
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 4: Matt?
Speaker 2: Don't feel discouraged if your efforts go unnoticed for now,
Speaker 2: dearest Leo. As the Pisces moon aspects Mars and Saturn,
Speaker 2: trust that movement from behind the scenes will get you
Speaker 2: where you want to be. Continuing your work from the.
Speaker 3: Shadows, no comment.
Speaker 5: A burst of energy could propel you into the spotlight
Speaker 5: when Luna aligns with Ranism. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
Speaker 5: going that afternoon, So be prepared to dazzle and or
Speaker 5: razzle with your eyed at that part, with your wisdom
Speaker 5: and practical work.
Speaker 3: Ethic themes around commitment come into view when Mercury and
Speaker 3: the nodes of Fate activate tonight. Okay, use this energy
Speaker 3: to reflect upon or discuss your hopes and dreams before
Speaker 3: heading to bed.
Speaker 5: Guys, what are the nodes of fate and how do
Speaker 5: they activate? And do they only activate at night or
Speaker 5: as this said, you know, all day, all night kind
Speaker 5: of thing.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a nipple situation metaphysically. It can
Speaker 3: activate it anytime. That sound good with the proper stimulat.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, this his home so hard, all of this stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, A shadowy figure, Matt.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all that work from behind in the shadows.
Speaker 5: A lot of thrust, trusting, trusting, trust that movements.
Speaker 3: I don't take notes, so.
Speaker 4: Do you take notes? Notes?
Speaker 3: Right? So you could tell we're all excited to be
Speaker 3: back together. You may have read your own horoscope recently.
Speaker 3: This is publishing in March, in early March. It's February
Speaker 3: as we record this, the very last day of February,
Speaker 3: and we have been talking on and offline, hanging out
Speaker 3: or on air about the many beliefs of astrology. There
Speaker 3: are tons of belief systems oriented toward figuring out the
Speaker 3: passage of humanity through interpretations of the stars, finding meaning, context, destiny.
Speaker 3: Some people dismiss this entirely. Fellow skeptics in the crowd,
Speaker 3: we totally get it. We're talking with our pal our
Speaker 3: complaint department, guy Jonathan Strickland, who is available whenever you
Speaker 3: have a problem with an episode Jonathan Strickland at iHeartMedia
Speaker 3: dot com. Please don't hesitate to contact him multiple times.
Speaker 4: He loves it, he thrives on it.
Speaker 3: Honestly, he's all about it. He is perhaps more skeptical
Speaker 3: than some others.
Speaker 4: What was the question you put to him?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: It was like, do you put how much credence do
Speaker 5: you put into this?
Speaker 4: And I believe he responded with none whatsoever?
Speaker 3: Yes, so right to him and other people. As we know,
Speaker 3: in your personal life as well, fellow listeners, you may
Speaker 3: be a person who encounters astrology through one system or
Speaker 3: another as the primary guiding force in your day to
Speaker 3: day life. Or you may, like Jonathan or Matt Ornoll
Speaker 3: or Dylan or myself, you may have a close friend
Speaker 3: who very much follows the guidance of that stars as
Speaker 3: they see it. But our question tonight is how much
Speaker 3: credence do people put in these systems? How far does
Speaker 3: belief in and practice of astrology go in the modern day?
Speaker 5: If you're Jonathan Strickland, none whatsoever credence. But you know
Speaker 5: results may vary, as you will find out today, and
Speaker 5: the government also has something to say about these things.
Speaker 3: That's right tonight. We are exploring a phenomena that may
Speaker 3: surprise a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists. The times
Speaker 3: that modern governments looked to astrology for some serious decisions.
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Speaker 3: Here are the facts, all right, Let's put on our
Speaker 3: house stuff works hats and just talk about astrology a bit.
Speaker 3: What's going on here.
Speaker 2: It's looking at the stars and the planets and saying,
Speaker 2: there is significance there in one way or another, especially
Speaker 2: the time that you were born, like time of day
Speaker 2: you were born, and the time of year you were born,
Speaker 2: specifically the month in the day. And it is observing
Speaker 2: things that happen in the sky and correlating them to
Speaker 2: what occurs on.
Speaker 3: Earth, incorporating latitude and longitude as human civilization wins on.
Speaker 3: And then perhaps the primary defining factor of divination and
Speaker 3: astrology in particular is it's classic human. It's looking at
Speaker 3: the passage of the universe, the beautiful universe, and saying,
Speaker 3: does how can I make this about me?
Speaker 4: So human?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it comes from that deep thing that
Speaker 2: consciousness needs, and that is to be able to somehow
Speaker 2: see a little bit further than your eyes can.
Speaker 5: And meaning in it all find some sort of connection
Speaker 5: to something larger than ourselves and outside.
Speaker 3: Of ourselves, to recognize patterns and to leverage those patterns
Speaker 3: towards some sort of deeper understanding or situational advantage. Astrology
Speaker 3: is a subgenre of divination. There's so many types of divination.
Speaker 3: In the notes here, we have a couple that we
Speaker 3: wanted to shout out. Guys, have you heard of bibliomancy.
Speaker 5: Some kind of some kind of sorcery involving glossary perhaps
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Tell me using a random book, turning to a passage.
Speaker 3: This one is about zoo animals and giant pandas that
Speaker 3: I'm holding up here and then turning to random passages
Speaker 3: for divination. There's one Noel will love augury a U
Speaker 3: g U r y, which is predicting the future by
Speaker 3: observing birds. And I will defend this one because I
Speaker 3: do think there's some solid.
Speaker 5: Scards are tuned in pretty hardcore to all kinds of
Speaker 5: things that we cannot perceive.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, does somebody can we do a quick bibliomancy.
Speaker 2: Let's ask a question in there, bibliomants.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, does everybody have a book?
Speaker 2: I no, Well, we just need one use the zoo
Speaker 2: one one yes?
Speaker 3: Or do you want to use a North Korea one?
Speaker 3: I got? They got too many books? Deers choice?
Speaker 2: Too many?
Speaker 3: All right? Too many books? All right? So how about this, guys,
Speaker 3: I have a stack right next to me. I'll run
Speaker 3: my right pointer finger up and down the stack. You guys,
Speaker 3: say when starting now?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Okay, so we are Oh, this is a pretty good one.
Speaker 3: The Norton Anthology of Modern Poetry. All right, so what
Speaker 3: let's let's determine our intention and ask our question. You guys,
Speaker 3: choose question?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, please you you do this one.
Speaker 2: The question.
Speaker 6: The question is playing with playing with pages.
Speaker 2: I want to ask something about starlink because there's interesting
Speaker 2: stuff going on with that, because it's connected, you know,
Speaker 2: to the stars as well in some way. M Will
Speaker 2: we all be using starlink as our primary internet at
Speaker 2: some point in the future.
Speaker 3: Will we all be using starlink Internet at some point
Speaker 3: in the future? Okay, Noel, let's make it collaborative. I'm
Speaker 3: suscerusing the pages. Say when oh m hmm, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: running my finger up and down.
Speaker 2: Don't look at it, just.
Speaker 3: Say when.
Speaker 4: What here we go?
Speaker 3: And politics has no landscape. The Silesia scene crops out
Speaker 3: in prospects felt as deeply as any of these, with
Speaker 3: as much or as little reason. This is from Barnsley
Speaker 3: and District by Donald Davey, page ten fifty five.
Speaker 2: Wait read that first sound. Please give it to us
Speaker 2: without politics.
Speaker 4: That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: And politics has no landscape. The Salian scene crops out
Speaker 3: in prospects felt as deeply as any of these, with
Speaker 3: as much or as little reason.
Speaker 5: Now sounds like that's going to happen by necessity.
Speaker 2: It does. I think you're right. So, but we can
Speaker 2: see here just with that one example, right, we did
Speaker 2: that on the fly for reel and it if the
Speaker 2: way that was read. There was a lot of words there, right,
Speaker 2: There was a lot of meaning that you could pull
Speaker 2: out of those words. But the first thing appears to
Speaker 2: apply in some abstract way to the question that was asked.
Speaker 3: To the pattern we had primed ourselves to interpret.
Speaker 5: Can I can I just say that on the very
Speaker 5: long flight that I just got back from, on the
Speaker 5: way to that destination. Starlink was the onboard internet being used,
Speaker 5: and I had never experienced it before, and it was
Speaker 5: blazing fast. I can make video calls from forty thousand
Speaker 5: feet and on the way back it.
Speaker 4: Was something else.
Speaker 5: It wasn't starlink for whatever reason, I don't have to
Speaker 5: do it has to do with the route or what.
Speaker 5: And it was terrible. But I was very impressed with Starling.
Speaker 5: I don't wan't to give Elon Musk a lot of props,
Speaker 5: but pretty impressed with that technology.
Speaker 3: And there are other forms of divination too, right, there's
Speaker 3: interpreting patterns and tea leaves. That's passiography. I just learned
Speaker 3: the word for that.
Speaker 2: That was a big one in the White House for
Speaker 2: a minute, and maybe we'll get into that. I know
Speaker 2: one first lady at least had her tea leaves red
Speaker 2: quite often.
Speaker 3: Not a euphemism, And noel I don't want to. I
Speaker 3: don't want to sound dismissive of what you're saying with starlink,
Speaker 3: because we were on the same flights, the uh, the
Speaker 3: same thing. So yeah, I think it's very fair of
Speaker 3: you to give credit where it's due. Also, while we're
Speaker 3: doing that, Elon Musk did not create, of course, not like.
Speaker 4: He didn't create them just about anything that his name.
Speaker 2: But what about direct TV?
Speaker 4: Is that even in play I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that a service that was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I can get my television from the sky.
Speaker 4: Satellite stuff.
Speaker 5: For sure, there was a moment for satellite TV. Maybe
Speaker 5: it still applies in some regions, but seems to which
Speaker 5: is why fluster around here, why everybody should re listen
Speaker 5: to that Counting Crows album about satellites.
Speaker 4: What was it called something the satellites?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, no, what's the word? What what are we doing
Speaker 5: to the satellite? What were the Counting Crows doing to
Speaker 5: the satellites?
Speaker 2: Recovery?
Speaker 4: Isn't it recovering the satellite? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Maybe it's maybe that's it? So, uh, you're probably correct.
Speaker 3: Another this is interesting another form of divination, phrenologynology, A little.
Speaker 4: Bit problem real problematic.
Speaker 5: Is that the head heads, it's the head and folks
Speaker 5: used to use it to very significantly other you know,
Speaker 5: races that were not what was considered the Master Race.
Speaker 3: To justify slat chats. Yeah, yeah, that was their big.
Speaker 2: One, and like man versus woman type stuff as well, Right,
Speaker 2: I remember all that.
Speaker 3: Or to also oppress uh oppress lungeons, because we've all
Speaker 3: got that weird bump in the back of our.
Speaker 5: Head and other indigenous people for sure, I mean.
Speaker 3: Pretty way way more other people. Yeah, that's that, that
Speaker 3: should be the focus here. We also know that divination.
Speaker 3: When you think of the concept, it sounds like something
Speaker 3: from a dusty scroll or a history book. But again,
Speaker 3: shout out to our complaint department and shout out to
Speaker 3: our skeptics in the crowd. Let's remember us conspiracy realist
Speaker 3: before we get to uh on too high of a
Speaker 3: of a horse or.
Speaker 4: Hedgehog, not a hedgehog round groundhog.
Speaker 3: The United States has an annual day dedicated to predicting
Speaker 3: the weather based on the actions of a specific roundhog.
Speaker 5: Is this still called pusatani Phil?
Speaker 4: Or is that just in the movie? That's that's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's Phil, But it's filled the way that
Speaker 3: any airplane the US president is on is automatically Air.
Speaker 2: Force one or shik Muhammad it's like something you you
Speaker 2: get into.
Speaker 5: Right or Uga the Uga University of Georgia bulldog that
Speaker 5: they just keep naming it, and I think adding a number,
Speaker 5: but it's it's always.
Speaker 3: Uga or like the pope hasn't been the same pope
Speaker 3: the whole time.
Speaker 2: True, Oh jeez, yeah the news Yeah yeah, yeah, we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see how that ages.
Speaker 3: And also we don't want people to die.
Speaker 5: So as divination methods go, astrology is certain the most
Speaker 5: mainstream that has really caught on and become a huge
Speaker 5: part of pop culture. I mean you can go to
Speaker 5: like Spencer at the mall and uh, you know, right
Speaker 5: next to the uh the naughty toys and edible underwear,
Speaker 5: you know, and horror movie posters, you can find tapestries
Speaker 5: of astrological symbols and you know, certain kinds of maps
Speaker 5: that are used for this very purpose.
Speaker 2: Well, for years and years and years and years, the
Speaker 2: main publications, like newspapers in this country had horoscopes. Like
Speaker 2: every time they put out something, there was a horoscope in.
Speaker 5: There, great drum as you know, you couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: When you know, you know, also, uh, Matt Nol, I
Speaker 3: think you guys, you guys are already aware. But uh,
Speaker 3: one one interesting gig I had for a while was
Speaker 3: writing horoscopes.
Speaker 4: For yeah, take a newspaper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was hired because I wanted to write
Speaker 3: features about things that I thought more people should learn.
Speaker 3: The editor said no. They asked me if I believed
Speaker 3: in horoscopes. I said no, and they said all about hired.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Did you consult with any kind of literature when you
Speaker 2: would make your horoscopes?
Speaker 3: Or absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I talked with some folks who are considered experts in
Speaker 3: Western astrology, and also pulled some contacts for non Western astrology.
Speaker 3: And then you know, you have to to mass point,
Speaker 3: you have to make it approachable, generally positive. We'll talk
Speaker 3: about this, But I love the I love the idea
Speaker 3: of I think it's important for us to acknowledge. The
Speaker 3: reason astrology remains the most popular form of divination in
Speaker 3: the in the modern West is because it is the
Speaker 3: continuation of a trend. The technology you need to encounter
Speaker 3: or navigate or interrogate astrology is very simple. You need
Speaker 3: eyes to see, and you need to leverage the concept
Speaker 3: of a story.
Speaker 5: It's accessible though, too, because wherever you are in the world,
Speaker 5: you got eyes on the skies. You know, it might
Speaker 5: look a little different depending on what kind of constellations
Speaker 5: are visible, and depending on your level of light pollution
Speaker 5: or lack thereof. But that is a very human commonality
Speaker 5: and it doesn't really require much improvisation in terms of
Speaker 5: like finding another thing like bones or tea leaves or
Speaker 5: what have you.
Speaker 4: It's right there, right right.
Speaker 3: You need very little equipment, You need the original technology
Speaker 3: of the humans, which is story, and then you just
Speaker 3: need to observe a thing that is constant to Prince
Speaker 3: and Popper alike, the constellations. It also shout out to
Speaker 3: pop culture. There's a very beautiful song about looking at
Speaker 3: the same star from Worlds Away.
Speaker 4: Uh that five somewhere out there.
Speaker 1: Light?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what a what a bummer of a film.
Speaker 5: All those Blue Company animations were really really sad but awesome.
Speaker 5: I really love the Secretive name personally, but grew up
Speaker 5: with that song and it gets stuck in my head.
Speaker 4: Out of the clear blue Sky just every now and again.
Speaker 2: But that whole family has problems. I've heard, yes, yes, Spoilersmily.
Speaker 5: Arrested, development arrested.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you can watch the you can watch
Speaker 3: the chaos and kay of that family in an excellent documentary.
Speaker 5: Series from Ron Howard. Yes, no, actually he was just
Speaker 5: the narrator. I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 4: What's Hurwitz? Mitch Herwitz?
Speaker 3: Sorry, carry on credit where it's due. Yeah, great point, Noel.
Speaker 3: So for most people in the secular West, we would
Speaker 3: call them casual in husiast of Horoscope's astrology. I want
Speaker 3: to read the column. Tell me not about necessarily the
Speaker 3: future of the world, right, like Empires of old, but
Speaker 3: tell me about myself, right, make the universe about me,
Speaker 3: and astrology therefore becomes a sort of psychological tool, a diagnostic.
Speaker 3: It's less about the future, it's more about understanding the
Speaker 3: hidden depths of one's own personality. But this was not
Speaker 3: always the case. Like every serious scientific endeavor in the
Speaker 3: modern day, this concept was intertwined inextricably with the concept
Speaker 3: of astronomy. So astrology is to astronomy the way alchemy
Speaker 3: is to chemistry.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Ben, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 5: There was a time where those worlds were inextricably linked,
Speaker 5: and there was magic within science.
Speaker 4: Right, they were kind of like cross pursuits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is almost belief intertwined with with the scientific
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Method, just just drive you know, curiosity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see that how is science? The why is spirituality?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 3: That's how as like to put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're applying belief to that stuff or you know,
Speaker 2: or meaning to the stuff that you're approving with the
Speaker 2: scientific method.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know this is a super popular universal pursuit.
Speaker 3: If you ask the modern historical boffins, they're going to
Speaker 3: tell you that the belief in astrology, or I should say,
Speaker 3: the practice of astrology, the big daddy ancestor of it,
Speaker 3: begins back in Mesopotamia, and then it spreads to India.
Speaker 3: And then we have to also acknowledge that, due to
Speaker 3: the length of time, the vast chasm of time we're
Speaker 3: interrogating here, it is almost certain that early civilizations and
Speaker 3: communities had their own systems of astrology or something we
Speaker 3: would call astrology, and they are lost to history.
Speaker 5: What ELSEO just kind of makes a lot of sense
Speaker 5: from an early humanity perspective, where it's like this thing
Speaker 5: that you can see in the sky would be in
Speaker 5: some way linked to your god and the activities of
Speaker 5: your god, and I just it's kind of not a
Speaker 5: very far leap to.
Speaker 3: Make, especially when you see in an agrarian community real
Speaker 3: world results, right, the passage of time.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of the dogon tribe in the
Speaker 2: series b knowledge that they had that was you know,
Speaker 2: recorded way before at least Western society believes they should
Speaker 2: have been able to do that.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, wonderful reference there, Matt. We also have we've
Speaker 3: explored that in some previous episodes, and I think a
Speaker 3: few videos. Didn't we do a video on this one?
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 3: So we're so old, We're not as old as the stars,
Speaker 3: but we're getting there. We also know that there was
Speaker 3: this strange, circuitous route that ancient astrological beliefs took before
Speaker 3: they arrived at your local What should I do today?
Speaker 3: As a pisces kind of columns? They started in what
Speaker 3: we call modern astrology kind of begins in Greek civilization
Speaker 3: during the Hellenistic period, and then it goes to Islamic culture.
Speaker 3: And we owe a lot to Islamic culture as modern
Speaker 3: civilization is part of the Greek tradition. And only then
Speaker 3: does it return to Europe because Europe had, you know,
Speaker 3: something called the Dark Ages, and Arabic knowledge bases came
Speaker 3: back in.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: Recently, had a really quick, sadly brief visit to the
Speaker 5: Museum of Islamic Culture in Doha, and there's a whole
Speaker 5: section devoted to technology around astrology and astronomy, and again
Speaker 5: at the time they were pretty inextricably linked, but things
Speaker 5: like astrolabes that were used to sort of track the
Speaker 5: movement and trajectory of different stars. But wrapped up in
Speaker 5: all of that still very much kind of a divine
Speaker 5: way of looking at it.
Speaker 3: Yes, through the gods we arrive at knowledge. What else
Speaker 3: would separate the human animal from the rest of the animals.
Speaker 3: So yeah, across the ancient world people are looking at stars.
Speaker 3: One of the only constants in existence in that these
Speaker 3: motions of the heavens. As people didn't think the Earth
Speaker 3: was moving, they thought the heavens were moving, and so
Speaker 3: the passage of the heavens to them, assuming that they
Speaker 3: were in a stationary location, was reproducible, predictable, and had
Speaker 3: real world consequence. And at the entire time, this is
Speaker 3: happening across all civilizations, no exception. People are imposing their
Speaker 3: own concepts and meaning upon the stars, and these interpretations
Speaker 3: are often related, Like everybody clocked the North Star doesn't
Speaker 3: really move relative to your location, so it's good for navigation,
Speaker 3: But in other ways, these systems often disagreed. A lot
Speaker 3: of people even now who are casual consumers of the
Speaker 3: Western Zodiac think there are twelve sides spoilers. There used
Speaker 3: to be thirteen. So this is still very much a
Speaker 3: fluid interpretive system. Is that fair to say? Like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to throw cold water on.
Speaker 4: It, I think so.
Speaker 2: Well, No, listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson's thoughts on astrology,
Speaker 2: he's the cold water. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean he'll
Speaker 2: hit the facts. Yeah, the facts about that, like the
Speaker 2: math of it is all wrong, and it just if
Speaker 2: you look at it hard enough, you'll see the major
Speaker 2: flaws in like the underlying stuff, you know. I saw
Speaker 2: a video the other day on Instagram of somebody. It
Speaker 2: showed the spinning right and then as it's orbiting around
Speaker 2: the Sun, and then the Sun moving through space basically
Speaker 2: because the Sun is traveling extremely fast through space as
Speaker 2: we go around it. And then it was showing the galaxy,
Speaker 2: our galaxy moving as we are moving with it. And
Speaker 2: the comment on the video was like, you're telling me
Speaker 2: the same stars have been up there the whole time,
Speaker 2: over thousands of thousands of years. As we're traveling through
Speaker 2: the universe this fast and we're moving this fast, and
Speaker 2: the stars always looked the same. The pushback against that
Speaker 2: that you have to realize is that it's all about
Speaker 2: scale distance in scalec.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it takes us, like, you know, an unmaginable
Speaker 5: amount of time to perceive changes that happened long, long,
Speaker 5: long ago, right, because of the inherent lag of it,
Speaker 5: all right, for the signals the light to try to
Speaker 5: you know, move through space. We're seeing something from where
Speaker 5: we stand that happened a long, long long time ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, But it's also just the distance between our
Speaker 2: viewpoint and where that light is coming from, right. Yes,
Speaker 2: So even though we are traveling that fast through the galaxy,
Speaker 2: you know, writing our star, basically the perspective doesn't change
Speaker 2: that much in proportion because of how dang far away
Speaker 2: it is. But it's just one of those things that
Speaker 2: you I would need a science teacher to sit down
Speaker 2: and like really explain it to me fully to grasp it, right.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's just it's just weird that a
Speaker 2: video like that could be made and there are probably
Speaker 2: a lot of people who watch that and go, oh man,
Speaker 2: those stars are bullshit, those aren't real. That's the firmament.
Speaker 3: Yes, the quintessers. That's a great reference too, and we
Speaker 3: understand like what you're saying, Matty, or what Neil de
Speaker 3: grass Tyson and other other learned sources in the modern
Speaker 3: day are pointing out, if you look at the math,
Speaker 3: there are serious quantitative problems with the axioms upon which
Speaker 3: most astrological belief systems hinge. That's very diplomatically put again,
Speaker 3: we are not going to denigrate someone's personal beliefs, right,
Speaker 3: It's kind of what works for you to a certain threshold.
Speaker 3: We also need to know everybody was discovering this. Western
Speaker 3: astrology reached its own conclusions yet Meso American civilizations, Near
Speaker 3: Ese civilizations, the East Asian theater, all of these ancient
Speaker 3: communities had their own astrological systems which are still being
Speaker 3: practiced today. Astrology, now, if you are looking to explore
Speaker 3: or encounter it, you're going to find countless guides, groups, apps, forums,
Speaker 3: publications dedicated to general astrology or specific astrology. And as
Speaker 3: you have doubtlessly experienced in your own life, fellow conspiracy realist,
Speaker 3: astrology can be kind of you mentioned Spencer's earlier. It
Speaker 3: could be kind of a hot topic for the dating scene.
Speaker 3: Q The sound clip. OMG, you guys, that's so leo
Speaker 3: for you to.
Speaker 4: Say thank you.
Speaker 5: So, with some validity, we could assume that astrology today
Speaker 5: no longer holds that same you know, divine guidance that
Speaker 5: it offered to past civilizations.
Speaker 3: However, we're about to see this assumption could not be
Speaker 3: further from the truth.
Speaker 4: Que the ad break.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right, we talked about it.
Speaker 3: Most mass market horoscope publications these days are pretty positive. Right.
Speaker 3: You're not going to open your local paper or for
Speaker 3: a lot of us in the crowd tonight, you're not
Speaker 3: going to pull up your you know, your general news
Speaker 3: app and then see something that says uh uh oh sagittarius. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, stay indoors, don't go outside, beware of hawda odyssees,
Speaker 3: and don't trust men in blue hats or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you don't know.
Speaker 5: They're gonna be something vague and generally feel goody or
Speaker 5: in some way vaguely actionable, or you know, give you
Speaker 5: something to look out for that is gonna turn your
Speaker 5: luck around, you know, things like that.
Speaker 3: And this makes sense operationally. These are outlets that want
Speaker 3: you to return in the future. And also I would
Speaker 3: posit they don't want to be held liable for dangerous
Speaker 3: or illegal actions a reader might take after they encounter
Speaker 3: a horoscope.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to that point, but I kind of walk back
Speaker 5: even what I said. They're not actionable exactly at all.
Speaker 5: They're just sort of like giving you some signs to
Speaker 5: maybe look out for or just in general, you know,
Speaker 5: giving you a positive affirmation that things are looking up
Speaker 5: for you, Vigo, right. But they're not saying, go do
Speaker 5: the thing, because that's a really good point, Ben. They
Speaker 5: don't want to be responsible for anybody misinterpreting that. And
Speaker 5: maybe because they are so vague, doing something horrible because
Speaker 5: they think that it's telling them to Aquarius.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to do things and you do them.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to do things and you don't listen
Speaker 3: to the voices, Aquarius.
Speaker 2: You don't need to take accountability for your actions. It
Speaker 2: was the stars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I'm calling out of work because mercury's rising
Speaker 3: or in retrograde?
Speaker 2: Is that the same thing?
Speaker 3: What's the different retrograde? Sorry, that's a better thing. That's
Speaker 3: a better way. And also it sounds like we're we
Speaker 3: we're obviously not dismissing this. We consider it a personal
Speaker 3: belief system. And in the West, you know, for practitioners
Speaker 3: of Western astrology, the first thing you have to point
Speaker 3: out is that when we're reading those casual horoscopes, we
Speaker 3: are reading twelve light paragraphs based upon what are called
Speaker 3: sun signs. Sun signs are just the tip of the
Speaker 3: astrological iceberg for a reading.
Speaker 5: But the in depth astrological readings that many true enthusiasts
Speaker 5: of this stuff look to pull in so many more
Speaker 5: details and factors than the kind of generally vague, feel
Speaker 5: goodery of newspaper horoscopes. Things like the location of each planet,
Speaker 5: longitude latitude, position of the stars relative to other stars, etc.
Speaker 5: There's so many more variables that are included and pulling
Speaker 5: from a much larger data set. So you know, because
Speaker 5: of that you are going to see more specificity in
Speaker 5: these conclusions.
Speaker 3: For better or for worse. More data to draw from
Speaker 3: equals more in depth conclusions. And there are tons and
Speaker 3: tons and tons of deep read services out there, and
Speaker 3: we want to be very honest, please listen closely. The
Speaker 3: vast majority of people, institutions, people especially offering deep reed services,
Speaker 3: are not trying to grift you. They believe in this.
Speaker 3: They are applying their acumen and their expertise and familiarity
Speaker 3: to their clients. So they're not trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: steal all your money. They are trying to help you.
Speaker 3: They honestly believe in what they're doing. And most often
Speaker 3: individuals looking for the deeper read of their astrological position,
Speaker 3: they will go to another person or a service. And
Speaker 3: that's where you see modern astrology getting much closer, leaving
Speaker 3: much closer to the practices of ancient times. Specific conclusions,
Speaker 3: specific advice, and specific warnings.
Speaker 5: And this is probably outside the scope of this episode,
Speaker 5: but if I'm not mistaken, we've got one coming up
Speaker 5: on the very topic on Ridiculous History. A lot of
Speaker 5: those nine hundred number you know, pay by the minute
Speaker 5: astrological reading services that were much more popular in the
Speaker 5: late nineties in maybe early two thousands, many of those
Speaker 5: have been proven to be less of deep reads than
Speaker 5: they are deep deep grifts.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the rude dudes on Ridiculous Crime and
Speaker 3: they're Misscleo episode by.
Speaker 2: The way, nice, I haven't heard that. I need to
Speaker 2: listen to that one for sure. And what we say
Speaker 2: modern times, by the way, we're talking eighteen hundreds on
Speaker 2: where there are specific people that are, you know, giving
Speaker 2: that kind of granular advice based on the knowledge they
Speaker 2: pull from the.
Speaker 3: Stars, and you might not read about it in the
Speaker 3: news too often because a lot of people in an
Speaker 3: increasingly secular world, they kind of want to play it
Speaker 3: to the side, the kind of want it, you know,
Speaker 3: not to be the headline. And that that cannot be
Speaker 3: further from the truth. Right now, as we record, various
Speaker 3: powerful people and institutions are still consulting astrologers, and it
Speaker 3: is further not uncommon for these wisdom seekers to modify
Speaker 3: their real world on Earth actions to comply with to
Speaker 3: follow in accordance with the recommendations of their astrologers. Entire
Speaker 3: countries have indeed modified their actions based on what they
Speaker 3: perceive to be what I think we could call a
Speaker 3: conspiracy of constellations. One of the best examples, let's do
Speaker 3: two examples if we have time. One of the best
Speaker 3: examples is Miandmar, which we talked about recently in depth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so why don't we start there. Formerly known as Burma,
Speaker 5: Myanmar is a Southeast Asian country that is situated between India, China,
Speaker 5: and Thailand, and also shares some smaller borders with Bangladesh
Speaker 5: and Laos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it very recently with the large
Speaker 2: facilities that are being built in this country right across
Speaker 2: the border from some of those bordering countries where there's
Speaker 2: a bit of a air of lawlessness because of the
Speaker 2: deep political issue use in Me and Mar right now,
Speaker 2: basically civil war. And when we talked about that, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's weird to me because when we're talking
Speaker 2: about Me and Mar in relation to this specifically, are
Speaker 2: we talking about like the ruling folks from the government
Speaker 2: that were kind of overthrown that still say they're in power.
Speaker 2: Are we talking about the folks who are coming in
Speaker 2: to take to seize power.
Speaker 3: Excellent question. We're talking about everyone, Oh called the meme
Speaker 3: from Gary Oldsman. Yeah, you're You're absolutely right, Matt. There's
Speaker 3: human trafficking and ongoing civil war, online scam slavery is
Speaker 3: what we focused on in one episode. Every kind of
Speaker 3: oppression you could imagine, including espionage, ops by foreign governments
Speaker 3: and private corporations. Mean R has all of that and more. Currently,
Speaker 3: as you pointed out, there are two groups that testify
Speaker 3: they rule the land. Longstanding somewhat mercurial military junta and
Speaker 3: then a loose coalition of forces purporting to push democracy
Speaker 3: look into their funding is all we're going to say there.
Speaker 3: It struggles with chaos moves toward democracy that have occurred
Speaker 3: in the lifetimes of most of our listeners. They seem
Speaker 3: to make headway like Ensong su key, and then abruptly
Speaker 3: they're shut down a moment later. Me and mar to
Speaker 3: your question there. Matt has always had a deep regard
Speaker 3: and respect for divination, astrology, fortune telling, and in particular numerology,
Speaker 3: largely based on Buddhist Hindu thought from civilization's past. And
Speaker 3: we might casually in the West read our son signs
Speaker 3: in the local paper. You might be, you know, swiping
Speaker 3: to and fro on a dating app and saying, yeah, classic.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're trying to use all those theact science.
Speaker 3: What we said, Pisces cancer, Virgo leo Aquarius. What's another one, Sagittarius, Sagittarius.
Speaker 3: You might be like, oh, Sagittarius, awesome. This is an
Speaker 3: entry point into our conversation. But overwhelmingly in this part
Speaker 3: of the world, people will consult for what you would
Speaker 3: consider very serious decisions with longstanding consequences not just the public,
Speaker 3: but also the people in power, like the generals and
Speaker 3: the dictators. Numerous examples of this, like the independence of
Speaker 3: Burma is probably the moment it became officially independent, is
Speaker 3: almost certainly based on advice from fortune tellers and numerologists.
Speaker 2: Really well, the date is January fourth, nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 2: at four twenty eight. We understand, we get.
Speaker 3: It, ty ty, I knew you guys were cool.
Speaker 5: This almost certainly a decision that was made by some
Speaker 5: very high level advisors practicing astrology, based on interpretations of
Speaker 5: that type of numerology you were talking about. Ben former
Speaker 5: dictator General Ney Winn was obsessed with numerology.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is where astrology touches the money. Oh
Speaker 3: this is okay. So if you are increasingly like us,
Speaker 3: paranoid and carrying a lot of cash, do us a
Speaker 3: favor and pull out your currency of choice. Look at
Speaker 3: it and imagine, like if you have a twenty dollars
Speaker 3: bill and a five dollar bill and some ones or whatever,
Speaker 3: imagine that all the five dollar bills you have were
Speaker 3: pulled from currency. Now they're just pieces of paper. Always
Speaker 3: a danger with fiat currency philosophy but that's what like
Speaker 3: you were mentioning. No, that's what nim Win did. In
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, on the advice of his astrologer, he
Speaker 3: went to the nation of Burma and said, the denominations
Speaker 3: of forty five and ninety kats kyats don't count anymore.
Speaker 3: They're not legal tender. And he probably did it. We're
Speaker 3: ninety percent certain he made this call because his astrologer
Speaker 3: told him that his lucky number was nine, and forty
Speaker 3: five and ninety are divisible by nine. The sum of
Speaker 3: four plus five, you know, nine, and so on and
Speaker 3: so on. The rabbit hole goes deep. So he made
Speaker 3: this decision affecting currency for millions of people because his
Speaker 3: astrologer was talking to him about numerology. To be fair,
Speaker 3: he did live to ninety two. Not bad, not bad
Speaker 3: at all, right, so maybe maybe hopefully we get to
Speaker 3: ninety two. But then there's we're set saying this to
Speaker 3: set up an other example of astrology and government. In
Speaker 3: Myanmar in two thousand and two, the military junta hit
Speaker 3: the local population and later the rest of the world
Speaker 3: with one hell of a Shamalan plot twist.
Speaker 5: Can I just say, if you're looking to find an
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Speaker 5: album called Hunta that's pretty great actually, So just just
Speaker 5: putting that out there. I'm a fan of the Fish
Speaker 5: album Hunta.
Speaker 3: Unrelated, isn't There is there another band? Uh with Burma
Speaker 3: in their.
Speaker 5: Mission of Burma Okay, kind of a post kind of
Speaker 5: post hardcore maybe bands, but they're cool.
Speaker 3: So what happens in two thousand and two?
Speaker 2: Well, a lot, a lot happens in two thousand and two.
Speaker 5: That was really I thought it was only three.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, my friends and I we all graduated from
Speaker 2: high school. That's true. Days. It is weird to think
Speaker 2: about that this happened just in our lifetime, this kind
Speaker 2: of thinking all this stuff. It just how modern that
Speaker 2: really is.
Speaker 3: Wait, you were a junior during nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was as well.
Speaker 5: I remember seeing the planes hit in real time during
Speaker 5: a computer class. We had a computer like a tech class.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 5: It was sort of the class where everyone just kind
Speaker 5: of got to, you know, do whatever.
Speaker 3: So it comes to pass. It's two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: A lot of things are happening right as you said,
Speaker 3: Matt Over in meandmart the rulers of the country until
Speaker 3: they themselves, you know, fall a foul of coups and
Speaker 3: so on. They they say they hatch a conspiracy, and
Speaker 3: they say, all right, our capital city has been Rangoon
Speaker 3: or called Yanggoon for a long time. Here's what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. You got two months, everybody, you're gonna move
Speaker 3: to our new capital about three hundred clicks north. You're
Speaker 3: gonna call it Nipita or not Pita part in our
Speaker 3: pronunciations here, and you're gonna do it right now. And
Speaker 3: for outsiders and the local population, this made zero sense,
Speaker 3: primarily because this new capital that they all had to
Speaker 3: move to to sweet it did not exist. There was
Speaker 3: no there was a small town, there was no capital.
Speaker 3: It was all jungle.
Speaker 2: Oh it's like Olympics rules. You just build a whole
Speaker 2: new place.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Get in there way before it's ready.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And there was secondly another thing. So, okay, we'll
Speaker 3: build the plane while we're flying it, right, we'll build
Speaker 3: a we'll build a boat while we're on the ocean.
Speaker 3: Very dangerous, very terrible for the people who are affected
Speaker 3: by this decision. Their second problem is, then this is
Speaker 3: something that China and our guys were looking at There's
Speaker 3: no stratega advantage to moving this capital, nothing that you
Speaker 3: could see operationally. There's no improvement in infrastructure because it
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, no improvement in security nor borders doesn't affect
Speaker 3: trade routes. There's no like resource extraction perk right meandmar
Speaker 3: is famous for emeralds, for instance. It's not like right
Speaker 3: next to an awesome emerald mind, none of that. It
Speaker 3: is exactly as if someone in the White House in
Speaker 3: the US woke up one day and said, you, guys,
Speaker 3: I got a weird vibe. We're moving DC to Edison,
Speaker 3: New Jersey. If Edison, New Jersey did not already exist.
Speaker 3: That's about one hundred and eighty so miles north of
Speaker 3: d C.
Speaker 2: Good thing, all those marble buildings were, you know, built
Speaker 2: on wheels with them with the possibility to just truck
Speaker 2: them along the.
Speaker 3: Highway, just like disassembly in your ikea furniture. Right. So
Speaker 3: also add to this, everybody has to move in two months.
Speaker 3: They also say it has to be a secret, so
Speaker 3: you can't tell anybody. Imagine you're a public servant in
Speaker 3: Yonggun and you get you get your moving papers. You
Speaker 3: have to relocate immediately. You have to do it now,
Speaker 3: and you cannot take your family with you further. You
Speaker 3: can't tell them why you're going or where.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, so are we saying somebody got some
Speaker 2: kind of bad reading and and like just said, something
Speaker 2: bad's gonna happen here. We got to get out now.
Speaker 2: Don't tell anybody it's happening. We just can't be here.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, it's like a it's like that that
Speaker 3: trope in so many Western action movies. Right, you know,
Speaker 3: the aliens are coming, only a few people are allowed
Speaker 3: into the arc.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So the news did get public and Foreign Embassy's embarrassingly enough,
Speaker 3: our friends in China, they were they were left out
Speaker 3: to dry. Well I'm sure, I'm sure they knew a
Speaker 3: little bit. They had to see something in the wind.
Speaker 3: But the message they got from Meamar was essentially, you
Speaker 3: guys don't have to move up with us, but if
Speaker 3: you want to keep hanging out, well we're not gonna
Speaker 3: come all the way down to you, so make your choice.
Speaker 4: So basically there wasn't a choice.
Speaker 5: Everyone had to move, and as you can imagine, there
Speaker 5: was an absolute melee of hectic conversations. Wasn't the best
Speaker 5: day to be in the State Department. Ben as you
Speaker 5: point out astuteley in this outline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh guys, the stars are telling me it's time
Speaker 2: for an ad break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 4: And we've returned.
Speaker 5: Let's get back into our conversation about astrology and governments.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Why did they do it? Why do they want to
Speaker 3: keep it secret? We kid thee not the military. Did
Speaker 3: this based on advice from an astrologer, and you can
Speaker 3: see it based on the Uh. This very specific timing
Speaker 3: of these decisions, like the inauguration of the city itself,
Speaker 3: occurs it again, just like independence, it occurs at a
Speaker 3: very odd time, like oddly.
Speaker 2: Specific November sixth two thousand and five, at six thirty
Speaker 2: seven am local time. Why is that specific? Like why
Speaker 2: like what what is the significance?
Speaker 3: I mean, why can't why do we have to wait
Speaker 3: seven minutes? Why can't we just go at six thirty?
Speaker 4: Did?
Speaker 2: But was it was it purposeful?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, dude, it was like this is the time that
Speaker 3: the thousands of trucks begin, you know, moving as you said,
Speaker 3: all the all the marble buildings on wheales.
Speaker 2: I'd be interested if they write if they write dates year, month, day, five, one, six,
Speaker 2: six three seven. That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then government workers, the guys we talked about who
Speaker 3: had to move in silence, right, Uh. They they depart
Speaker 3: from the old capital to the new one on November
Speaker 3: eleventh at eleven am. So eleven eleven eleven, regardless of
Speaker 3: how you write the.
Speaker 2: Date, even I know that number is significant.
Speaker 3: Make a wish, right, says every toxic relationship you've ever had.
Speaker 2: Oh, mine was check the doors, make sure they're locked.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh really, no, sour our buddy.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Returning guest, General Tan Shui currently alive retired as we record.
Speaker 3: He's the guy who made the call, and the story
Speaker 3: is his personal astrologer told him he had to do
Speaker 3: this these specific times, not just for himself, but because
Speaker 3: doing so, moving the capital would save the nation of
Speaker 3: Myanmar from a looming disaster.
Speaker 5: It's not to be confused with General Fung Shue, who
Speaker 5: had a very similar attitude.
Speaker 3: No, General so over in China who who you know?
Speaker 3: People were like, General, We've got a lot of problems,
Speaker 3: and he said to hold on taste this.
Speaker 4: Yeahous, yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It's a little known fact that the astrologer of the
Speaker 2: General there owned a lot of property where the new capital. No,
Speaker 2: I'm just joking that that's not true, but you can imagine.
Speaker 3: It probably got a sweetheart deal. There's this deep What
Speaker 3: we're saying is there's a deep, abiding relationship between Myanmar's
Speaker 3: government policy and numerology. And there are so many more
Speaker 3: examples of this, including including how one day true story
Speaker 3: the general astrologer's staff told him that a woman will
Speaker 3: one day lead the country, and as a result, we've
Speaker 3: linked a picture here in our notes the General and
Speaker 3: his entourage dawned traditional women's clothing for a photo. Op. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: try to loophole it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm watching you guys. Look at
Speaker 3: the picture. It definitely look bad.
Speaker 2: No, it's just like, yeah, it looks like a skirt
Speaker 2: of some sort.
Speaker 3: But just like I think it's called a lungee. But
Speaker 3: just like the guy who changed the currency to extend
Speaker 3: his lifespan and then later lived to ninety two. True
Speaker 3: believers in astrological systems here will argue that the predictions
Speaker 3: of the heavens came to pass because in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, Me and Mar experienced the worst natural disaster
Speaker 3: in all of its recorded history, and it hit yangun So.
Speaker 5: On May second, two thousand and eight, the tropical cyclone
Speaker 5: Nargus made landfall, passing by the old capitol and caused
Speaker 5: at least fifteen point three billion US dollars worth of damage,
Speaker 5: killed hundreds of thousands of people, an absolute tragedy in
Speaker 5: humanitarian crisis, so many in fact, that we still aren't
Speaker 5: quite sure what the death toll actually was.
Speaker 2: Wow, and it bypassed the new capitol, or didn't touch
Speaker 2: the new capital and.
Speaker 3: Touch it didn't touch it. And it also was kind
Speaker 3: of a close it was. It was a close scrape
Speaker 3: with the old capital, So there was tremendous damage, as
Speaker 3: you were saying, old to the infrastructure. Hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of people did die, but for a lot of people
Speaker 3: observing this who survived, this proved that the astrologer had
Speaker 3: effected powers to foretell the future, to say the sooth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least you know, for them, because it's personal
Speaker 2: experience that close and yeah, you can see how that
Speaker 2: would reinforce the belief for sure.
Speaker 3: And then we can also see how the more skeptical
Speaker 3: in the audience would say, look at the geography, look
Speaker 3: at the climate, you know, something like this was statistically inevitable.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rough one. I mean, and also, you
Speaker 3: know worthy astrologers, correct? Does this depend on your individual perspective?
Speaker 3: Are we as Westerner's outhering as we mentioned earlier, and
Speaker 3: hey they're hi there, Hello there, folks. Brief pause, We
Speaker 3: went offline and consulted our own star chart aka our
Speaker 3: publishing buffer. In our schedules.
Speaker 4: It becomes an Excel spreadsheet form.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a very mystical Excel spreadsheet. And we are
Speaker 3: going to make this a series. We've given a brief
Speaker 3: exploration of the history of astrology right the world entire
Speaker 3: We've looked at specific instances in the Nation of Mean
Speaker 3: Marnie Burma. And when we return in chapter two, we're
Speaker 3: taking this closer to home, all the way to the
Speaker 3: White House.
Speaker 4: We're going stateside. We're gonna talk a little bit about.
Speaker 5: Reagan, oh yeah, and Reagan exactly, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And older presidents that you don't remember, like Franklin Pierce.
Speaker 3: I remember, I wasn't impressed, but I remember I don't
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