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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Mit,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noman.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. And a quick question,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, what's your sign?

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Speaker 4: You're flirting with me?

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Speaker 3: I'm always always negotiating. We're doing it. We're doing it tonight,

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Speaker 3: folks look at us a pride of Leo's as Western

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Speaker 3: astrology says doing believe it or not? An astrology episode

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Speaker 3: now for a lot of us in the crowd tonight.

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Speaker 3: When you hear the word astrology, it instantly conjures up

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Speaker 3: images of Western astrology. So maybe we make some space.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys want to talk about your own experiences

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Speaker 3: with astrology? Do you have any meaningful ones.

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Speaker 5: Well being that we're all Leo's. Ben, didn't you pull

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Speaker 5: a horoscope for the three of us?

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are recorded on February twenty eight, twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: as the current calendar reckons and our horoscope for us

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Speaker 3: now not counting Tennessee Pal Dylan aka the Rudebega King,

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Speaker 3: Lord of the Rude Vegas. From a listener mail segment earlier.

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Speaker 3: Dylan is a Virgo. If you are Leo, here's what

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Speaker 3: astrology dot Com says about you. Do you want to

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Speaker 3: do it?

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Speaker 4: Matt?

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Speaker 2: Don't feel discouraged if your efforts go unnoticed for now,

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Speaker 2: dearest Leo. As the Pisces moon aspects Mars and Saturn,

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Speaker 2: trust that movement from behind the scenes will get you

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Speaker 2: where you want to be. Continuing your work from the.

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Speaker 3: Shadows, no comment.

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Speaker 5: A burst of energy could propel you into the spotlight

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Speaker 5: when Luna aligns with Ranism. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry

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Speaker 5: going that afternoon, So be prepared to dazzle and or

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Speaker 5: razzle with your eyed at that part, with your wisdom

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Speaker 5: and practical work.

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Speaker 3: Ethic themes around commitment come into view when Mercury and

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Speaker 3: the nodes of Fate activate tonight. Okay, use this energy

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Speaker 3: to reflect upon or discuss your hopes and dreams before

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Speaker 3: heading to bed.

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Speaker 5: Guys, what are the nodes of fate and how do

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Speaker 5: they activate? And do they only activate at night or

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Speaker 5: as this said, you know, all day, all night kind

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like a nipple situation metaphysically. It can

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Speaker 3: activate it anytime. That sound good with the proper stimulat.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, this his home so hard, all of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, A shadowy figure, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all that work from behind in the shadows.

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Speaker 5: A lot of thrust, trusting, trusting, trust that movements.

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Speaker 3: I don't take notes, so.

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Speaker 4: Do you take notes? Notes?

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Speaker 3: Right? So you could tell we're all excited to be

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Speaker 3: back together. You may have read your own horoscope recently.

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Speaker 3: This is publishing in March, in early March. It's February

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Speaker 3: as we record this, the very last day of February,

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Speaker 3: and we have been talking on and offline, hanging out

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Speaker 3: or on air about the many beliefs of astrology. There

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Speaker 3: are tons of belief systems oriented toward figuring out the

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Speaker 3: passage of humanity through interpretations of the stars, finding meaning, context, destiny.

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Speaker 3: Some people dismiss this entirely. Fellow skeptics in the crowd,

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Speaker 3: we totally get it. We're talking with our pal our

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Speaker 3: complaint department, guy Jonathan Strickland, who is available whenever you

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Speaker 3: have a problem with an episode Jonathan Strickland at iHeartMedia

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Speaker 3: dot com. Please don't hesitate to contact him multiple times.

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Speaker 4: He loves it, he thrives on it.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, he's all about it. He is perhaps more skeptical

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Speaker 4: What was the question you put to him?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 5: It was like, do you put how much credence do

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Speaker 4: And I believe he responded with none whatsoever?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so right to him and other people. As we know,

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Speaker 3: in your personal life as well, fellow listeners, you may

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Speaker 5: If you're Jonathan Strickland, none whatsoever credence. But you know

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Speaker 5: results may vary, as you will find out today, and

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Speaker 5: the government also has something to say about these things.

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Speaker 3: That's right tonight. We are exploring a phenomena that may

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Speaker 3: surprise a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists. The times

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Speaker 5: Take a quick word from our sponsor and jump right

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Speaker 5: into it.

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Speaker 3: Here are the facts, all right, Let's put on our

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Speaker 3: What's going on here.

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Speaker 2: It's looking at the stars and the planets and saying,

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Speaker 2: there is significance there in one way or another, especially

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Speaker 3: And then perhaps the primary defining factor of divination and

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Speaker 3: astrology in particular is it's classic human. It's looking at

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Speaker 3: the passage of the universe, the beautiful universe, and saying,

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Speaker 4: So human?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it comes from that deep thing that

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Speaker 5: And meaning in it all find some sort of connection

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Speaker 3: Of ourselves, to recognize patterns and to leverage those patterns

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Speaker 3: towards some sort of deeper understanding or situational advantage. Astrology

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Speaker 3: is a subgenre of divination. There's so many types of divination.

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Speaker 3: wanted to shout out. Guys, have you heard of bibliomancy.

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Speaker 5: Some kind of some kind of sorcery involving glossary perhaps

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Speaker 3: Tell me using a random book, turning to a passage.

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Speaker 5: Scards are tuned in pretty hardcore to all kinds of

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Speaker 2: Let's ask a question in there, bibliomants.

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, does everybody have a book?

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Speaker 2: I no, Well, we just need one use the zoo

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Speaker 3: Or do you want to use a North Korea one?

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Speaker 3: I got? They got too many books? Deers choice?

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Speaker 3: All right? Too many books? All right? So how about this, guys,

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Speaker 3: I have a stack right next to me. I'll run

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Speaker 3: say when starting now?

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Speaker 2: When?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we are Oh, this is a pretty good one.

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Speaker 3: The Norton Anthology of Modern Poetry. All right, so what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, please you you do this one.

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Speaker 2: The question.

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Speaker 2: stuff going on with that, because it's connected, you know,

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Speaker 3: Will we all be using starlink Internet at some point

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Speaker 3: suscerusing the pages. Say when oh m hmm, okay, I'm

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Speaker 4: What here we go?

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: And politics has no landscape. The Salian scene crops out

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Speaker 5: It wasn't starlink for whatever reason, I don't have to

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Speaker 3: And there are other forms of divination too, right, there's

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Speaker 2: one first lady at least had her tea leaves red

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Speaker 3: Not a euphemism, And noel I don't want to. I

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Speaker 3: doing that, Elon Musk did not create, of course, not like.

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Speaker 4: He didn't create them just about anything that his name.

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Speaker 2: But what about direct TV?

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Speaker 4: Is that even in play I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: I can get my television from the sky.

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Speaker 5: is why fluster around here, why everybody should re listen

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Speaker 5: to that Counting Crows album about satellites.

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Speaker 4: What was it called something the satellites?

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Speaker 2: that you have to realize is that it's all about

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Speaker 2: scale distance in scalec.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it takes us, like, you know, an unmaginable

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Speaker 5: amount of time to perceive changes that happened long, long,

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Speaker 5: long ago, right, because of the inherent lag of it,

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Speaker 5: all right, for the signals the light to try to

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Speaker 5: you know, move through space. We're seeing something from where

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Speaker 5: we stand that happened a long, long long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, But it's also just the distance between our

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Speaker 2: viewpoint and where that light is coming from, right. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So even though we are traveling that fast through the galaxy,

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Speaker 2: you know, writing our star, basically the perspective doesn't change

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Speaker 2: that much in proportion because of how dang far away

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Speaker 2: it is. But it's just one of those things that

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Speaker 2: you I would need a science teacher to sit down

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Speaker 2: and like really explain it to me fully to grasp it, right.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's just it's just weird that a

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Speaker 2: video like that could be made and there are probably

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who watch that and go, oh man,

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Speaker 2: those stars are bullshit, those aren't real. That's the firmament.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the quintessers. That's a great reference too, and we

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Speaker 3: understand like what you're saying, Matty, or what Neil de

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Speaker 3: grass Tyson and other other learned sources in the modern

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Speaker 3: day are pointing out, if you look at the math,

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Speaker 3: there are serious quantitative problems with the axioms upon which

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Speaker 3: most astrological belief systems hinge. That's very diplomatically put again,

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Speaker 3: we are not going to denigrate someone's personal beliefs, right,

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Speaker 3: It's kind of what works for you to a certain threshold.

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Speaker 3: We also need to know everybody was discovering this. Western

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Speaker 3: astrology reached its own conclusions yet Meso American civilizations, Near

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Speaker 3: Ese civilizations, the East Asian theater, all of these ancient

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Speaker 3: communities had their own astrological systems which are still being

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Speaker 3: practiced today. Astrology, now, if you are looking to explore

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Speaker 3: or encounter it, you're going to find countless guides, groups, apps, forums,

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Speaker 3: publications dedicated to general astrology or specific astrology. And as

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Speaker 3: you have doubtlessly experienced in your own life, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 3: astrology can be kind of you mentioned Spencer's earlier. It

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Speaker 3: could be kind of a hot topic for the dating scene.

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Speaker 3: Q The sound clip. OMG, you guys, that's so leo

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Speaker 3: for you to.

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Speaker 4: Say thank you.

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Speaker 5: So, with some validity, we could assume that astrology today

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Speaker 5: no longer holds that same you know, divine guidance that

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Speaker 5: it offered to past civilizations.

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Speaker 3: However, we're about to see this assumption could not be

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Speaker 3: further from the truth.

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Speaker 4: Que the ad break.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy, all right, we talked about it.

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Speaker 3: Most mass market horoscope publications these days are pretty positive. Right.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to open your local paper or for

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Speaker 3: a lot of us in the crowd tonight, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to pull up your you know, your general news

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Speaker 3: app and then see something that says uh uh oh sagittarius. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, stay indoors, don't go outside, beware of hawda odyssees,

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Speaker 3: and don't trust men in blue hats or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you don't know.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be something vague and generally feel goody or

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Speaker 5: in some way vaguely actionable, or you know, give you

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Speaker 5: something to look out for that is gonna turn your

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Speaker 5: luck around, you know, things like that.

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Speaker 3: And this makes sense operationally. These are outlets that want

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Speaker 3: you to return in the future. And also I would

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Speaker 3: posit they don't want to be held liable for dangerous

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Speaker 3: or illegal actions a reader might take after they encounter

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Speaker 3: a horoscope.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to that point, but I kind of walk back

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Speaker 5: even what I said. They're not actionable exactly at all.

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Speaker 5: They're just sort of like giving you some signs to

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Speaker 5: maybe look out for or just in general, you know,

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Speaker 5: giving you a positive affirmation that things are looking up

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Speaker 5: for you, Vigo, right. But they're not saying, go do

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Speaker 5: the thing, because that's a really good point, Ben. They

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Speaker 5: don't want to be responsible for anybody misinterpreting that. And

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Speaker 5: maybe because they are so vague, doing something horrible because

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Speaker 5: they think that it's telling them to Aquarius.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to do things and you do them.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to do things and you don't listen

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Speaker 3: to the voices, Aquarius.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to take accountability for your actions. It

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Speaker 2: was the stars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I'm calling out of work because mercury's rising

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Speaker 3: or in retrograde?

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Speaker 2: Is that the same thing?

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Speaker 3: What's the different retrograde? Sorry, that's a better thing. That's

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Speaker 3: a better way. And also it sounds like we're we

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Speaker 3: we're obviously not dismissing this. We consider it a personal

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Speaker 3: belief system. And in the West, you know, for practitioners

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Speaker 3: of Western astrology, the first thing you have to point

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Speaker 3: out is that when we're reading those casual horoscopes, we

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Speaker 3: are reading twelve light paragraphs based upon what are called

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Speaker 3: sun signs. Sun signs are just the tip of the

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Speaker 3: astrological iceberg for a reading.

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Speaker 5: But the in depth astrological readings that many true enthusiasts

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Speaker 5: of this stuff look to pull in so many more

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Speaker 5: details and factors than the kind of generally vague, feel

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Speaker 5: goodery of newspaper horoscopes. Things like the location of each planet,

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Speaker 5: longitude latitude, position of the stars relative to other stars, etc.

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Speaker 5: There's so many more variables that are included and pulling

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Speaker 5: from a much larger data set. So you know, because

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Speaker 5: of that you are going to see more specificity in

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Speaker 5: these conclusions.

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Speaker 3: For better or for worse. More data to draw from

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Speaker 3: equals more in depth conclusions. And there are tons and

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Speaker 3: tons and tons of deep read services out there, and

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Speaker 3: we want to be very honest, please listen closely. The

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Speaker 3: vast majority of people, institutions, people especially offering deep reed services,

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Speaker 3: are not trying to grift you. They believe in this.

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Speaker 3: They are applying their acumen and their expertise and familiarity

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Speaker 3: to their clients. So they're not trying to, you know,

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Speaker 3: steal all your money. They are trying to help you.

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Speaker 3: They honestly believe in what they're doing. And most often

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Speaker 3: individuals looking for the deeper read of their astrological position,

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Speaker 3: they will go to another person or a service. And

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Speaker 3: that's where you see modern astrology getting much closer, leaving

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Speaker 3: much closer to the practices of ancient times. Specific conclusions,

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Speaker 3: specific advice, and specific warnings.

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Speaker 5: And this is probably outside the scope of this episode,

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Speaker 5: but if I'm not mistaken, we've got one coming up

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Speaker 5: on the very topic on Ridiculous History. A lot of

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Speaker 5: those nine hundred number you know, pay by the minute

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Speaker 5: astrological reading services that were much more popular in the

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Speaker 5: late nineties in maybe early two thousands, many of those

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Speaker 5: have been proven to be less of deep reads than

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Speaker 5: they are deep deep grifts.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the rude dudes on Ridiculous Crime and

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Speaker 3: they're Misscleo episode by.

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Speaker 2: The way, nice, I haven't heard that. I need to

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Speaker 2: listen to that one for sure. And what we say

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Speaker 2: modern times, by the way, we're talking eighteen hundreds on

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Speaker 2: where there are specific people that are, you know, giving

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Speaker 2: that kind of granular advice based on the knowledge they

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Speaker 2: pull from the.

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Speaker 3: Stars, and you might not read about it in the

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Speaker 3: news too often because a lot of people in an

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Speaker 3: increasingly secular world, they kind of want to play it

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Speaker 3: to the side, the kind of want it, you know,

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Speaker 3: not to be the headline. And that that cannot be

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Speaker 3: further from the truth. Right now, as we record, various

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Speaker 3: powerful people and institutions are still consulting astrologers, and it

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Speaker 3: is further not uncommon for these wisdom seekers to modify

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Speaker 3: their real world on Earth actions to comply with to

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Speaker 3: follow in accordance with the recommendations of their astrologers. Entire

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Speaker 3: countries have indeed modified their actions based on what they

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Speaker 3: perceive to be what I think we could call a

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Speaker 3: conspiracy of constellations. One of the best examples, let's do

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Speaker 3: two examples if we have time. One of the best

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Speaker 3: examples is Miandmar, which we talked about recently in depth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so why don't we start there. Formerly known as Burma,

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Speaker 5: Myanmar is a Southeast Asian country that is situated between India, China,

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Speaker 5: and Thailand, and also shares some smaller borders with Bangladesh

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Speaker 5: and Laos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it very recently with the large

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Speaker 2: facilities that are being built in this country right across

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Speaker 2: the border from some of those bordering countries where there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a air of lawlessness because of the

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Speaker 2: deep political issue use in Me and Mar right now,

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Speaker 2: basically civil war. And when we talked about that, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's weird to me because when we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Me and Mar in relation to this specifically, are

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Speaker 2: we talking about like the ruling folks from the government

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Speaker 2: that were kind of overthrown that still say they're in power.

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about the folks who are coming in

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Speaker 2: to take to seize power.

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Speaker 3: Excellent question. We're talking about everyone, Oh called the meme

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Speaker 3: from Gary Oldsman. Yeah, you're You're absolutely right, Matt. There's

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Speaker 3: human trafficking and ongoing civil war, online scam slavery is

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Speaker 3: what we focused on in one episode. Every kind of

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Speaker 3: oppression you could imagine, including espionage, ops by foreign governments

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Speaker 3: and private corporations. Mean R has all of that and more. Currently,

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Speaker 3: as you pointed out, there are two groups that testify

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Speaker 3: they rule the land. Longstanding somewhat mercurial military junta and

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Speaker 3: then a loose coalition of forces purporting to push democracy

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Speaker 3: look into their funding is all we're going to say there.

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Speaker 3: It struggles with chaos moves toward democracy that have occurred

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Speaker 3: in the lifetimes of most of our listeners. They seem

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Speaker 3: to make headway like Ensong su key, and then abruptly

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Speaker 3: they're shut down a moment later. Me and mar to

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Speaker 3: your question there. Matt has always had a deep regard

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Speaker 3: and respect for divination, astrology, fortune telling, and in particular numerology,

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Speaker 3: largely based on Buddhist Hindu thought from civilization's past. And

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Speaker 3: we might casually in the West read our son signs

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Speaker 3: in the local paper. You might be, you know, swiping

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Speaker 3: to and fro on a dating app and saying, yeah, classic.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're trying to use all those theact science.

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Speaker 3: What we said, Pisces cancer, Virgo leo Aquarius. What's another one, Sagittarius, Sagittarius.

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Speaker 3: You might be like, oh, Sagittarius, awesome. This is an

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Speaker 3: entry point into our conversation. But overwhelmingly in this part

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Speaker 3: of the world, people will consult for what you would

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Speaker 3: consider very serious decisions with longstanding consequences not just the public,

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Speaker 3: but also the people in power, like the generals and

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Speaker 3: the dictators. Numerous examples of this, like the independence of

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Speaker 3: Burma is probably the moment it became officially independent, is

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Speaker 3: almost certainly based on advice from fortune tellers and numerologists.

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Speaker 2: Really well, the date is January fourth, nineteen forty eight,

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Speaker 2: at four twenty eight. We understand, we get.

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Speaker 3: It, ty ty, I knew you guys were cool.

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Speaker 5: This almost certainly a decision that was made by some

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Speaker 5: very high level advisors practicing astrology, based on interpretations of

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Speaker 5: that type of numerology you were talking about. Ben former

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Speaker 5: dictator General Ney Winn was obsessed with numerology.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is where astrology touches the money. Oh

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Speaker 3: this is okay. So if you are increasingly like us,

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Speaker 3: paranoid and carrying a lot of cash, do us a

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Speaker 3: favor and pull out your currency of choice. Look at

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Speaker 3: it and imagine, like if you have a twenty dollars

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Speaker 3: bill and a five dollar bill and some ones or whatever,

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Speaker 3: imagine that all the five dollar bills you have were

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Speaker 3: pulled from currency. Now they're just pieces of paper. Always

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Speaker 3: a danger with fiat currency philosophy but that's what like

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Speaker 3: you were mentioning. No, that's what nim Win did. In

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, on the advice of his astrologer, he

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Speaker 3: went to the nation of Burma and said, the denominations

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Speaker 3: of forty five and ninety kats kyats don't count anymore.

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Speaker 3: They're not legal tender. And he probably did it. We're

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Speaker 3: ninety percent certain he made this call because his astrologer

658
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Speaker 3: told him that his lucky number was nine, and forty

659
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: five and ninety are divisible by nine. The sum of

660
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: four plus five, you know, nine, and so on and

661
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: so on. The rabbit hole goes deep. So he made

662
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: this decision affecting currency for millions of people because his

663
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: astrologer was talking to him about numerology. To be fair,

664
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: he did live to ninety two. Not bad, not bad

665
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: at all, right, so maybe maybe hopefully we get to

666
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: ninety two. But then there's we're set saying this to

667
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: set up an other example of astrology and government. In

668
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: Myanmar in two thousand and two, the military junta hit

669
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 3: the local population and later the rest of the world

670
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: with one hell of a Shamalan plot twist.

671
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: Can I just say, if you're looking to find an

672
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 5: entry point into the jam band Fish. They have an

673
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 5: album called Hunta that's pretty great actually, So just just

674
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: putting that out there. I'm a fan of the Fish

675
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 5: album Hunta.

676
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: Unrelated, isn't There is there another band? Uh with Burma

677
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: in their.

678
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: Mission of Burma Okay, kind of a post kind of

679
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 5: post hardcore maybe bands, but they're cool.

680
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: So what happens in two thousand and two?

681
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, a lot, a lot happens in two thousand and two.

682
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: That was really I thought it was only three.

683
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, my friends and I we all graduated from

684
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: high school. That's true. Days. It is weird to think

685
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: about that this happened just in our lifetime, this kind

686
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: of thinking all this stuff. It just how modern that

687
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: really is.

688
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Wait, you were a junior during nine to eleven.

689
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: I was.

690
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 4: I was as well.

691
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 5: I remember seeing the planes hit in real time during

692
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: a computer class. We had a computer like a tech class.

693
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: Hmm.

694
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 5: It was sort of the class where everyone just kind

695
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 5: of got to, you know, do whatever.

696
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: So it comes to pass. It's two thousand and two.

697
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: A lot of things are happening right as you said,

698
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: Matt Over in meandmart the rulers of the country until

699
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: they themselves, you know, fall a foul of coups and

700
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: so on. They they say they hatch a conspiracy, and

701
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: they say, all right, our capital city has been Rangoon

702
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: or called Yanggoon for a long time. Here's what's going

703
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: to happen. You got two months, everybody, you're gonna move

704
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: to our new capital about three hundred clicks north. You're

705
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: gonna call it Nipita or not Pita part in our

706
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: pronunciations here, and you're gonna do it right now. And

707
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: for outsiders and the local population, this made zero sense,

708
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: primarily because this new capital that they all had to

709
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: move to to sweet it did not exist. There was

710
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: no there was a small town, there was no capital.

711
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: It was all jungle.

712
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh it's like Olympics rules. You just build a whole

713
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: new place.

714
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, it.

715
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Get in there way before it's ready.

716
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 4: Yep.

717
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. And there was secondly another thing. So, okay, we'll

718
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 3: build the plane while we're flying it, right, we'll build

719
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: a we'll build a boat while we're on the ocean.

720
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: Very dangerous, very terrible for the people who are affected

721
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: by this decision. Their second problem is, then this is

722
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: something that China and our guys were looking at There's

723
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: no stratega advantage to moving this capital, nothing that you

724
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: could see operationally. There's no improvement in infrastructure because it

725
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, no improvement in security nor borders doesn't affect

726
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: trade routes. There's no like resource extraction perk right meandmar

727
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: is famous for emeralds, for instance. It's not like right

728
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: next to an awesome emerald mind, none of that. It

729
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: is exactly as if someone in the White House in

730
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: the US woke up one day and said, you, guys,

731
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: I got a weird vibe. We're moving DC to Edison,

732
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: New Jersey. If Edison, New Jersey did not already exist.

733
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: That's about one hundred and eighty so miles north of

734
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: d C.

735
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: Good thing, all those marble buildings were, you know, built

736
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: on wheels with them with the possibility to just truck

737
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: them along the.

738
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: Highway, just like disassembly in your ikea furniture. Right. So

739
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: also add to this, everybody has to move in two months.

740
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: They also say it has to be a secret, so

741
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: you can't tell anybody. Imagine you're a public servant in

742
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: Yonggun and you get you get your moving papers. You

743
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: have to relocate immediately. You have to do it now,

744
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: and you cannot take your family with you further. You

745
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: can't tell them why you're going or where.

746
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, so are we saying somebody got some

747
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: kind of bad reading and and like just said, something

748
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: bad's gonna happen here. We got to get out now.

749
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: Don't tell anybody it's happening. We just can't be here.

750
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: Right right, right, it's like a it's like that that

751
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: trope in so many Western action movies. Right, you know,

752
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: the aliens are coming, only a few people are allowed

753
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: into the arc.

754
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: Right.

755
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 3: So the news did get public and Foreign Embassy's embarrassingly enough,

756
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: our friends in China, they were they were left out

757
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: to dry. Well I'm sure, I'm sure they knew a

758
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: little bit. They had to see something in the wind.

759
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: But the message they got from Meamar was essentially, you

760
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: guys don't have to move up with us, but if

761
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: you want to keep hanging out, well we're not gonna

762
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: come all the way down to you, so make your choice.

763
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: So basically there wasn't a choice.

764
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 5: Everyone had to move, and as you can imagine, there

765
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 5: was an absolute melee of hectic conversations. Wasn't the best

766
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: day to be in the State Department. Ben as you

767
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: point out astuteley in this outline.

768
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh guys, the stars are telling me it's time

769
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: for an ad break. We'll be right back.

770
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: And we've returned.

771
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: Let's get back into our conversation about astrology and governments.

772
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: All right?

773
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: Why did they do it? Why do they want to

774
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 3: keep it secret? We kid thee not the military. Did

775
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 3: this based on advice from an astrologer, and you can

776
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: see it based on the Uh. This very specific timing

777
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: of these decisions, like the inauguration of the city itself,

778
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: occurs it again, just like independence, it occurs at a

779
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: very odd time, like oddly.

780
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: Specific November sixth two thousand and five, at six thirty

781
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: seven am local time. Why is that specific? Like why

782
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: like what what is the significance?

783
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: I mean, why can't why do we have to wait

784
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: seven minutes? Why can't we just go at six thirty?

785
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: Did?

786
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: But was it was it purposeful?

787
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

788
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: Yes, dude, it was like this is the time that

789
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 3: the thousands of trucks begin, you know, moving as you said,

790
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: all the all the marble buildings on wheales.

791
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: I'd be interested if they write if they write dates year, month, day, five, one, six,

792
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: six three seven. That's interesting.

793
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

794
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: And then government workers, the guys we talked about who

795
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: had to move in silence, right, Uh. They they depart

796
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: from the old capital to the new one on November

797
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: eleventh at eleven am. So eleven eleven eleven, regardless of

798
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: how you write the.

799
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: Date, even I know that number is significant.

800
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: Make a wish, right, says every toxic relationship you've ever had.

801
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: Oh, mine was check the doors, make sure they're locked.

802
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: Okay, oh really, no, sour our buddy.

803
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

804
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: Returning guest, General Tan Shui currently alive retired as we record.

805
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: He's the guy who made the call, and the story

806
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: is his personal astrologer told him he had to do

807
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: this these specific times, not just for himself, but because

808
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: doing so, moving the capital would save the nation of

809
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: Myanmar from a looming disaster.

810
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: It's not to be confused with General Fung Shue, who

811
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 5: had a very similar attitude.

812
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 3: No, General so over in China who who you know?

813
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: People were like, General, We've got a lot of problems,

814
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 3: and he said to hold on taste this.

815
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeahous, yeah it was.

816
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: It's a little known fact that the astrologer of the

817
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: General there owned a lot of property where the new capital. No,

818
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm just joking that that's not true, but you can imagine.

819
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 3: It probably got a sweetheart deal. There's this deep What

820
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: we're saying is there's a deep, abiding relationship between Myanmar's

821
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: government policy and numerology. And there are so many more

822
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: examples of this, including including how one day true story

823
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: the general astrologer's staff told him that a woman will

824
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 3: one day lead the country, and as a result, we've

825
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: linked a picture here in our notes the General and

826
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: his entourage dawned traditional women's clothing for a photo. Op. Okay, yeah,

827
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: try to loophole it a little bit.

828
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

829
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I'm watching you guys. Look at

830
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: the picture. It definitely look bad.

831
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: No, it's just like, yeah, it looks like a skirt

832
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: of some sort.

833
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: But just like I think it's called a lungee. But

834
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 3: just like the guy who changed the currency to extend

835
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 3: his lifespan and then later lived to ninety two. True

836
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: believers in astrological systems here will argue that the predictions

837
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: of the heavens came to pass because in two thousand

838
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: and eight, Me and Mar experienced the worst natural disaster

839
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: in all of its recorded history, and it hit yangun So.

840
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 5: On May second, two thousand and eight, the tropical cyclone

841
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 5: Nargus made landfall, passing by the old capitol and caused

842
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 5: at least fifteen point three billion US dollars worth of damage,

843
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 5: killed hundreds of thousands of people, an absolute tragedy in

844
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 5: humanitarian crisis, so many in fact, that we still aren't

845
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 5: quite sure what the death toll actually was.

846
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 2: Wow, and it bypassed the new capitol, or didn't touch

847
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: the new capital and.

848
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 3: Touch it didn't touch it. And it also was kind

849
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: of a close it was. It was a close scrape

850
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: with the old capital, So there was tremendous damage, as

851
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 3: you were saying, old to the infrastructure. Hundreds of thousands

852
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: of people did die, but for a lot of people

853
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: observing this who survived, this proved that the astrologer had

854
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 3: effected powers to foretell the future, to say the sooth.

855
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least you know, for them, because it's personal

856
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: experience that close and yeah, you can see how that

857
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: would reinforce the belief for sure.

858
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: And then we can also see how the more skeptical

859
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: in the audience would say, look at the geography, look

860
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: at the climate, you know, something like this was statistically inevitable.

861
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

862
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rough one. I mean, and also, you

863
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: know worthy astrologers, correct? Does this depend on your individual perspective?

864
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: Are we as Westerner's outhering as we mentioned earlier, and

865
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: hey they're hi there, Hello there, folks. Brief pause, We

866
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: went offline and consulted our own star chart aka our

867
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: publishing buffer. In our schedules.

868
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: It becomes an Excel spreadsheet form.

869
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a very mystical Excel spreadsheet. And we are

870
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: going to make this a series. We've given a brief

871
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: exploration of the history of astrology right the world entire

872
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: We've looked at specific instances in the Nation of Mean

873
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: Marnie Burma. And when we return in chapter two, we're

874
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: taking this closer to home, all the way to the

875
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: White House.

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Speaker 4: We're going stateside. We're gonna talk a little bit about.

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Speaker 5: Reagan, oh yeah, and Reagan exactly, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: And older presidents that you don't remember, like Franklin Pierce.

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Speaker 3: I remember, I wasn't impressed, but I remember I don't

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Speaker 3: use a snap address. We're going to show you that

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Speaker 3: this practice that we're talking about doesn't doesn't just exist

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Speaker 3: in lands some may consider far flung. Now again, we

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Speaker 3: have always endeavored to be I was going to say acknowledged, acknowledgeful,

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Speaker 3: respectful of and acknowledging of people's personal beliefs and practices.

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Speaker 3: And we know this may be a divisive topic. A

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Speaker 3: lot of us in the crowd tonight are hardcore skeptics,

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Speaker 3: A lot of us are very much true believers, and

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Speaker 3: we want to hear from all of you. This show

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Speaker 3: does not exist without you, so thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for tuning in. Thanks always to our long suffering producers,

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Speaker 3: Try Force and the Tennessee pal Let us know your

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Speaker 3: thoughts and join us for chapter two of the Exploration

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Speaker 3: on astrology and Government. Hey guys, how do I get

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Speaker 3: in touch with you? We've got good news. You can

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Speaker 3: find us online. You can send us an email. You

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Speaker 3: can even tappity tap us on a telephonic device. It's true.

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Speaker 5: If you want to find us on the internet, on

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Speaker 5: your social media platform with choice, you can find us

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Speaker 5: at the handle conspiracy stuff, where we exist on Facebook

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Speaker 5: with our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy, on YouTube,

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Speaker 5: where we have video content a little for your enjoyment,

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Speaker 5: and on x nay fka Twitter, on Instagram and TikTok. However,

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Speaker 5: we are conspiracy stuff show.

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Speaker 2: Please don't tap or direct phones. There are plenty of

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Speaker 2: people doing that already. Hi ha joke, any jokes. Our

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Speaker 2: number is one eight three three std WYTK. When you

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Speaker 2: know whether or not we can use your name and

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Speaker 2: message on the air. Again. It's a three minutevoicemail, That's

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Speaker 2: what it is, and use it if you wish. If

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Speaker 2: you wish to instead, send us links, longer thoughts, maybe

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Speaker 2: even I don't know a picture of a kitty cat

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Speaker 2: or a doggie doo or another animal in your life.

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Speaker 2: We love those. Why not send us an email? We

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Speaker 2: are the.

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Speaker 3: Entities that read every piece of correspondence we receive. We've

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Speaker 3: actually returned from abroad and are catching up with you

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Speaker 3: void wise as we return, be well aware, yet I'd

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Speaker 3: afraid Sometimes the void writes back, Hey is that true?

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Speaker 3: How can I learn for certain? Well, there's one way,

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Speaker 3: step a little further from the light. Join us here

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Speaker 3: in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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