1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm one of these zoom people now. 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: So a couple of times I've zoomed on the go 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: because one time I wanted to take my daughter to 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: go school shopping and I had to do this zoom. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: So I was in the car and then walking into 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: a store, and you know, the mute, the camera on, 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: camera off, It's like a whole I don't even know. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are rules, and I'm sure within companies 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: they have rules, and it's my company, so I don't 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: know any of the rules and I don't know how 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: it all works. But I was on a very very 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: important zoom with uh four business men, and I walked 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: into the Soho House. To be honest, out of the car. 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I was doing the zoom in the car. It's like 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: a sprinter van, so I used it for business. So 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: I was doing the zoom in the car, and then 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: I had my next meeting, and this call was going 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: so much longer. So the Soho House is a private 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: club in New York and they don't allow cell phones. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: So I was on the elevator trying to sneak it. 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: But they're really serious about and then you're ladd it's 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: sort of in the bathroom and this hallway so and 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: I also had to pee, to be honest, and so 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: they were all still talking and I wanted to go 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: as long as I possibly could, and so then I 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: um walked down the hall and I was dragging it out. 27 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: And then I went into the bathroom and Paul Paul, 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: my fiance, who I did not see this text, he 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: was on the call to and I saw him call 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: and I didn't answer because I don't know why. I 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: just didn't. I didn't think I realized who else was calling. 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: And then I get this text that says you should 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: go camera off and mute, and the phone was coming 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: through on the other line. And then he said, are 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: you in the bathroom? And I said because I knew 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom because it was me who 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: was in the bathroom. And I said, l O L. 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: How bad? He said, not amazing. This is his tex 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm reading it. Not amazing, I said, L O L. 40 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Now in caps he said, no private parts, which is 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: where the bar is, Like, oh, really, you mean I 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: didn't show my labia to the fucking businessman that we 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: were just talking to the good olds guys who are saying, 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: like hit him straight, Dan, when you go fucking play golf, 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean no private parts. That's like, oh good, they 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: didn't see my So no one saw my vagina today, 47 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: that's amazing. What about my crack or my taint? Was 48 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: that shown to the fucking corporate public company, billionaire business guys? 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: Um so, I said, no private parts? He said, no 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: private parts? And I said I had to pee, Like 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: now pleading with Paul, like what the fund does he care? 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: He's seen my vagina, he knows it didn't happen today. 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: I go, I had to pee, can't use phone in 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Soho house? He said, usually that's a camera off event. 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: I had to be Usually that's a camera off event. 56 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dying, like it's just and the moment 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: goes away quick. So it's okay, but like we really 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: can't take away. These guys did see me in the 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: bathroom peeing, but they didn't see private parts. So that's amazing. 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: It's just a ship show. Everything is a ship show. 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: Everything's different now, Like it's absolutely crazy. Who forgot? I 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: got him a fucking called twenty minutes ago. I didn't 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: even know anyone was like looking at me, you forget? 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: There's so many people talking in that box comes up. 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Like, I'm on like full tilt. 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: What an idiot. I don't know what else I've done. 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: Thank god Paul was there to tell me. I'd never know. 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: There must be twenty soups I've done not knowing. It's 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. It's fucking pandemic, man. And also is it 70 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: even the pandemic anymore? I don't know if anyone's ever 71 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: going back to work again. My assistants think it's a 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: punishment to come into work. They think it's like they're 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: being punished for something like It's like, like, it's actually, 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: you guys were bad, So now you have to go 75 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: to work. You have to come to work. Yes, your bodies. 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: You have to your physical bodies. Wait what yeah, not 77 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: your yes, not on a computer. You have to bring 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: your body store. I'm sorry, you were naughty. You're on 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: the naughty list. It's started to come in not for 80 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: too long. Don't worry, and I apologize. I'm like back 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: in my day, when they didn't have avocado toast and kale. 82 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: We used to go to work. We used to get 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: in the car, we had to have an easy pass, 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: we had to actually know back in my day, my 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: real day, before they had Avocado coastick actually easy Pass 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: was before Avocado coast, Avocado toast, Brussels sprouts, Slaw and Kale. 87 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: We had quarters in the goddamn car and we had 88 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: you used tokens, so we had to go on the 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: subway with actual tokens. Or I think I was alive 90 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: when it was fucking change pre token. Wasn't there pre token, 91 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: pre fucking token man. So anyway, yeah, back when I 92 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the horse and carriage days. Pre Kale, that's gonna be 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: the new thing. How old your daughter? She's pre k 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: pre Oh she's three, No, pre Kale, she's she she 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: was born four. Kale was born Okay, I was born 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: way after pre k is different. That's like a schooling system. 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: This is just like a sort of Greens cultural system. 98 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: What are your funny zoom stories. I presented an I 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: Heart Award with no pants. It's great. You're only like 100 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,119 Speaker 1: you're saving money, like half a wardrobe. Now we only 101 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: have to have like half Actually we don't even have 102 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: to have a half a wardrobe. We could wear half tops. 103 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Crop tops should be so fucking huge. They are because 104 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: the TikTok. But also because a zoom you wear it, 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: it's like half the fabric a crop top. No one's 106 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: gonna see my middrifts. Great start wearing bathing suits. My 107 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: guest today is legendary speed skater and the most decorated 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: American winter olympian, Apollo oh No. He's won eight Olympic 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: medals and was inducted into the US Olympic Hall of Fame. 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: Apollo is also a New York Times bestselling author, writing 111 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: many autobiographical novels about his vast experience, including up and 112 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: coming book Hard Pivot. He's a Dancing with the Stars 113 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: first place champion and now spends his time involved in 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: motivational speaking, philanthropy, and travel. With a wildly successful career 115 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: off and on the ice, you are sure to enjoy 116 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: today's show. Please welcome our guest. So your story is 117 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: very interesting. Obviously I've heard of you and know about you, 118 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: but I have some really interesting people on here that 119 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: have created businesses in a non traditional way, have definitely 120 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: uh created a brand within a unique industry or a 121 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: game changer. And I've had a couple of serious athletes on. 122 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: But one of the things that really stuck out to 123 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: me was that you're raised by a single father, and 124 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: we often hear single mother the single mother's story, and 125 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: I just I just thought that was compelling and and 126 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: really interesting about your whole child childhood and your story. Yeah, 127 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: it was. It was really different, and especially because my father, um, 128 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, being a but he's immigrant, not speaking a 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: word of English, not really understanding basically how to raise me. Um, 130 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: but had that very strong tiger father. Uh kind of 131 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: call it like philosophical instruction so to speak. So like 132 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: the way that he really approached like two things one. Um, 133 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: anything in my life revolving around sport and academic was 134 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: always like at the highest level. So he just like 135 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: fundamentally so funny, like my dad fundamentally believed that I 136 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: could do anything literally anything you know, a basketball, you know, 137 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: by football, like whatever you want to do. Um. He 138 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: thought that that was something that was easily accessible for 139 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: me and there was like no limitations. And the same 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: thing for school, right just enrolled me into the absolute hardest, 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: um kind of curriculum in programs that were far beyond 142 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: my comprehension at the time. But I think it helped 143 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: push me at that same room but it sounds like 144 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: it was more energetic than being militant and grinding you 145 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: into doing something. It was sort of just that good 146 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: enough isn't good enough, like a state of excellence, but 147 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean kill yourself and I'm forcing you to 148 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, I think that well, early on my 149 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: career there definitely was this like semblance of like this 150 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: idea that he could push me in a direction that 151 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: would I think it required me to be pushed um, 152 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: and it wasn't militant, But I don't know, like I 153 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: can tell your story about how like when I was 154 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: twelve years old, my dad used to wake me up 155 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: at like three thirty in the morning to go like 156 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: skate and empty school and church parking lots because you know, 157 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: there was no other time that he could take me 158 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: go practice roller skating. So he like tape this miner's 159 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: light to my helmet and then that's when he would 160 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: just sit there with like a clipboard with our like 161 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: Volkswagen Bug or Volkswagen Rabbit, like the diesel engine and 162 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: the lights on in the parking lot and there's like 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: no one there and this like empty church parking lot, 164 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: and I'm just like skating around. Yeah, Well, sometimes I 165 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: think that we're the product of our parents unresolved issues. 166 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: So is that because your dad was just working NonStop 167 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: and you think he wanted you to fulfill some sort 168 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: of dream that he didn't get to fulfill, or it 169 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: was just about I think it. Look, I think it 170 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: was probably both, right. I don't think my dad had 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: any aspirations in terms of like athletic achievement. I think 172 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: that because he went against the grain. You know, my 173 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: grandparents were pretty clear in terms of like saying to 174 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: my dad, we don't want you to leave Japan, we 175 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: want you to continue here and go to the you know, 176 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: kind of the the atypical process of of kind of 177 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: working for a company for like forty years and then 178 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: and then retiring. UM. And he went against the grain 179 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: and he came to the U S didn't speak a 180 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: word of English, didn't have any money in his pocket. 181 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: He just he had a struggle. And I think that 182 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: that probably drove him to be like a survivor in 183 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: many instances, especially because he probably wasn't welcome here at 184 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: the time when he arrived. UM. And then when I 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: was born, you know, everything flipped and he gave everything 186 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: to me every ounce and energy that he had, UM, 187 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: every dollar and never saw him actually ever purchased anything 188 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: for himself other than that was like a necessity up here, 189 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: necessity for like decades. Um and uh, just his like 190 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: full commitment. He you know, I think everyone who as kids. 191 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't have kids yet, but um I can, I can. 192 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: I can imagine like when people have kids, they believe 193 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: their kids are just incredibly special, right, and they believe 194 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: that the best and they only see the best in 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: their kids. And my dad like really drilled that into 196 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: my head. Like when I say that, he told me 197 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: there was no limitations. This was every day in many 198 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: different life lessons and he would tell me so like 199 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: unresolved conflict. I don't know, maybe I think my dad 200 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: definitely had something to prove. I think growing up, my 201 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: father felt like I was at somewhat of a disadvantage 202 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: because you know, I didn't come from money. Um, I 203 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: didn't have time and the resources to buy the best equipment. 204 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: UM I didn't, you know, Like it wasn't like my 205 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: family was like highly intellectual or academics in any capacity. 206 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: And so he like effectively told me that I had 207 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: to work twice as hard like that was also drilled 208 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: and drilled to my head that I was basically somewhat 209 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: at a disadvantage, but that I could still achieve those things. 210 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: How do I put in the time, effort and work 211 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: and so you know, back then, obviously we didn't know 212 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: anything about sports science and sleep and rest and recover. 213 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: It was just all about this like hardcore belief of 214 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: just continue, keep struggling, keep pushing, you'll figure it out. Well, 215 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: there's two things I wanted to ask. One is about 216 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: how much is too much for kids and the pressure. Um, 217 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: then that's a sort of negative aspect that what is 218 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: perceived to be negative, what looks like it could be negative. 219 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: But then reading about your childhood, that being a law 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: your father didn't want you to be a latch key 221 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: kid and unrolling you in different sports programs, it's a 222 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: great It is a great babysitter for kids, as I 223 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: think about it, if you can't, if you have to work, 224 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: and don't you know, want your kids just to be 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: home eating cheetos, respectfully, the cheetos, watching uh, you know, 226 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: garbage television. What a great thing for your kids to 227 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: be sort of working towards something, and even if they 228 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: don't become an Olympian, just the sucture and the discipline. 229 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: And I want to know if that structure and discipline 230 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: is all upside or you know, what are the sort 231 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: of ramifications of that both sides of that equation. Well, look, 232 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: every human that goes through life is going to have 233 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: these conditioning mechanisms that create behavioral consistency and changed. Right, 234 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: So psychologically, typically, most of the way that we act 235 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: in our day to day lives today in your plus 236 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: years on this planet, are typically derived from experiences or 237 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: very few experiences that have occurred in your life that 238 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: leads you to believe that you are biased towards a 239 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: certain response and reaction, and so like how much pressure 240 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: is too much pressure? I think pressure is incredible. I 241 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: think it's incredibly insightful. I think it's absolutely critical. And 242 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the same thing with losing and failing and not hitting 243 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: your dreams and not getting what you feel like you 244 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: deserve and you desire the the insights derived from that 245 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: is a really important part of growth. And anyone who 246 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: has lived an incredible life at least extra only from 247 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: our view, has never had an easy life. It's always 248 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: been about struggle and strife and perseverance and going through 249 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: those things. Now, I agree, as we go through life, 250 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: right and as we have this progression around, how do 251 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: we identify the new characters of strength in today's modern era? Right? So, 252 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: and pressure not being cruel and not you know, just 253 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: being mean and badgering even in the work a workplace, 254 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: but being you can be strong and you can be 255 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: kind at the same time. You can be strong, you 256 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: can be kind, you can be incredibly resilient, and you 257 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: can also be human. And I think that is that 258 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: wholesomeness that I think we're seeing more transparency and open 259 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: discussion about is very healthy. Now, the flip side of 260 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: that is we go too much on one side of 261 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: the spectrum where we don't allow for you know, more 262 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: wind to make good timber so to speak. Right, Um, 263 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: the stronger the wind, the stronger the trees, so to speak. 264 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: So we need those types of callous environments in order 265 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: to fortify not only physiologically but psychologically. Right. When you 266 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: have pressure, that pressure allows the human experience to do 267 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: extraordinary things and either by pure default and you have 268 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: no choice for injury, some kind of tragic failure loss 269 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: that you're facing and you have to bounce back, or 270 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: it's because you deeply desire to win and you want 271 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: to innovate or whatever that might be right. And so 272 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: there's always these things, and I think it's very we 273 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: have to be very careful today about there is this 274 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: line that we don't want to cross. We don't want 275 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: to push kids so much to say like, look, you 276 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: need to be a machine and you need to just 277 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: figure out everything on your own. But I think the 278 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: kids can have that element, right that is there, that's 279 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: a level that they can utilize, this obsessiveness that once 280 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: they harness that in short spurts, is extremely powerful. But 281 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: that if that becomes all encompassing and consuming, I'm speaking 282 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: from experience here, it can be highly internally toxic, very 283 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: self deprecating and of defeating. And oftentimes you live in 284 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: this era where you actually start to limit your growth 285 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: versus actually exude and be that person who you potentially 286 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: to be. You're deteriorating. It's it's it's degenerating. What about 287 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: who's the gymnast who who left the event? Her team 288 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: was so mad it was such a big right, So 289 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: what about that, Like, is that now that we're looking 290 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: at that, you know, months later however long it's been later, 291 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: I blacked out on time. But uh, is that too 292 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: much pressure? Is that bailing on your team? Is that 293 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: just knowing your body? Like? What about that? I think 294 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,479 Speaker 1: it's very complex, right, I think, first and foremost, um, 295 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: when we look at Olympic athletes, and I think making 296 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: this statements important, we tend to export our belief on 297 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: what they should and what they represent right right now, Like, 298 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: we have no idea what's going on in her head, 299 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: the type of trauma. I mean, we kind of know 300 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: because they were open about this in this entire scandal 301 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,239 Speaker 1: that existed that was horrific across those girls in gymnastics. UM, 302 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: and these girls carry that weight with them, and they 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: carry that trauma with them, And so we don't know 304 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: the complexities and the texture of how this person is 305 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: digesting and living in that moment. The the external pressure 306 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: of America saying it doesn't matter that you went through 307 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: those things, you still have to perform for us. I 308 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know if that's okay either, And so you've got 309 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: this delicate balance of When I first watched, I think 310 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: like full transparency. I was like, because I'm conditioned in 311 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: a certain way, I saw I was like, hey, that 312 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: doesn't seem fair to her teammates. But then I you know, 313 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm I feel like i'm i'm hopefully growing 314 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: and getting some maturity. And so I said, wait, wait 315 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: a second, like what am I missing? Why do I 316 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: believe that to be a truth. I actually don't know, Simone. Um, 317 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: I respect her immensely, and I said, oh, I'm actually 318 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: wrong in this belief of exporting what I think happens 319 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: to be true. And this is like identity politics in 320 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: a nutshell, right, what was happening in our country with 321 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: the with the politicized nature of everything, also celebrity celebrity, 322 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: what we think people are doing right and wrong. I 323 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: was just talking about it before, about people flaunting their divorces, 324 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: flaunting their relationships, like I was talking about that today, 325 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Like we think we know what somebody shouldn't shouldn't do. 326 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: It's similar, it's similar, um, but uh business to me. 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: So I I'm I'm athletic. I mean I snowboard, I 328 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, ice skate, not professionally obviously, I've hiked fifteen 329 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: miles in my life and talked about it for fifteen 330 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: years since. Uh, but I know that feeling when you 331 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: just have to pull from within to finish something, to 332 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: do something. I'm definitely not an athlete, I don't, but 333 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: I know that feeling and that and I really know 334 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: that feeling in business, like you just everything's wrong, it's 335 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: going wrong, but you just you gotta collect yourself, get 336 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: you can't go through the window. You've tried the door. 337 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: You gotta go in another way. Like I do see 338 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: a parallel there with business and and sports and just 339 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: not sports, just being tremendously competitive as an athlete, where 340 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: you just gotta like regroup, collect your self, take care 341 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: of yourself, and attack it again for another day. And 342 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: I read about you when you weren't doing so well. 343 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: First of all, it sounds like as a kid you 344 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: had a natural ability and didn't know necessarily what road 345 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: you were on. And then you just we're winning. I mean, 346 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: you're doing really well. It seems like it came fairly 347 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: easy to you as a competitive person. But then you 348 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: hit some roadbumps, like you weren't just winning the way 349 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: that you were when you started, like not beginner's luck, 350 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: but like you just hit it right in the beginning, 351 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and then later it caught up with you not either 352 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: practicing or taking it seriously. So what what was that 353 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: whole journey like a mustering you know it up and 354 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: and and and regrouping and then going back in. Yeah. 355 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: I mean, look, those those struggles and triumphs associated with 356 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: sport are are kind of apparent across my career. Especially 357 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: early on. I was this kind of thought about as 358 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: like this phenomen athlete, this prodigy for the sport um 359 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: and I didn't recognize it. I didn't have that self 360 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: confidence and belief. Um I just was kind of having 361 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: fun on the sport. And so when fun was moved 362 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: at the age of fourteen and fifteen, after I had 363 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: won my first trials and I was technically the number 364 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: one athlete in the US, UM I now was doing 365 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: this professionally and professionally as around grown men and women 366 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: who dedicated their lives away from their family to pursue 367 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: their Olympic dream and path, And so it was no 368 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: longer fun. It's not excuse, right because I now I 369 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: was training with the national team and I had earned 370 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that right. But I do think there was something there 371 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: where um I now was put in this environment where 372 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: I just kind of went through the motions because I 373 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it anymore, and that was really really tough. 374 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: I didn't understand resilience and hard work and discipline and 375 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: all these things that compound over time could really really 376 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: be in terms of a result. And my dad shown 377 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: me some really tough love associated with that, right like 378 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: basically after not making the Olympic team in n Um, 379 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: finishing dead last those at those trials, to my dad 380 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: then shipping me or you know, basically driving me to 381 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: this remote cabin in the Pacific Northwest and leaving me 382 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: there alone at the age of fifteen to figure it 383 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: out on my own and basically give me the ultimatum 384 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: of Paula, you need you to really identify with what 385 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: you want to do in your life. I don't care 386 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: if it's academics, it doesn't matter to me good sport, 387 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: but your habituation that is being created, this behavior that 388 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: I see can be potentially patternistic, and we don't want 389 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: that to be something that you can normalize. So my 390 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: dad had this vision overall, not of me being this 391 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: great athlete, but he just wanted me to be able 392 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: to figure out how life will slap you down or 393 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: give you these challenges and if you shy away from them, 394 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: or if you cower away, Um, that's going to create 395 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: some type of conditioning that is in the opposite direction 396 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: of what you actually ultimately want no matter what you do, right, 397 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: it sounds like the game what happens with success Even 398 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: in business, as we were talking about, the game moves 399 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: pretty quick and then the game has changed. So you 400 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: had the game had changed, you didn't even really realize it. 401 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: It could be somebody at home bacon cookies and now 402 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're professional and it they've opened 403 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: a bakery and they're like, wait, this is not just 404 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: the cute everybody thinks I'm so cute that I make 405 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: cute cookies and likes them. Now I gotta deal with this. 406 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: So the game changes and then you have to reshift, pivot, 407 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: and you know, regroup and then it's a new game. 408 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: So how did you make the new game fun? And 409 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: by the way, it's not all fun like it could be. 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: It's work. You're just a little young, but it's it 411 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: is work, And so how did you make it that 412 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: you wanted to do it? You know, if you're fourteen, 413 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the game changed, it's now sort of business a little bit, 414 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: so how does that, you know, reshift. I think it's 415 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: a part of that is just kind of mustering up 416 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: this belief that even though you don't know what the 417 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: outcome is going to be, you are still going to 418 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: forge ahead, uh to be and show up fully as 419 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: your best self. I get that it's process over prize, 420 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: which is what you say. It's this process, and it's 421 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: this marathon, and it's this one golf hole and you're 422 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: just doing this one thing at a time, and and 423 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: if you do everything to the best of your ability 424 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: every day, whether it's sports or otherwise, it'll take you 425 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: somewhere great. I think that's part of it, right, I 426 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: mean for sure, I think like we in this country, 427 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: like we love to celebrate champions and we never talked 428 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: about the people who got second third. We just don't. 429 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: That's been our conditioning that now so um so, that 430 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: has been ingrained in all of our beliefs since we 431 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: were very young, even in the way that cartoons and 432 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: movies and film has been shown to us. And so 433 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: we believe that, and so we have subscribed now to 434 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: tie our happiness directly to a result, which is great 435 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: for competition, which is great to keep track of score, um, 436 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: it is not probably the most holistic and wholesome way 437 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: to value or look at your own personal life. And 438 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: so if we can look at our life as a 439 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: series of chapters and understand that each chapter, no matter 440 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: we feel like we deserve a different result or not, 441 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: we have to surrender to that chapter after it has 442 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: been completed, and then we have to move on to 443 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: the next one. That's really hard to do because we're competitive. 444 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Like you know, if I don't get what I want, 445 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm angry, I'm upset, I'm confused, I'm frustrated. And that's 446 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: good if you can harness that in terms of recalibrating 447 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: for the next time, but if you stay dwelling itself. 448 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: So that's totally my whole life. But it's great, it's 449 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: very I find that the it that a failure when 450 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: I've had a real failure, I didn't get something, or 451 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: even back in the day when I came second on 452 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: the Apprentice, right you you you get sad, you get bombed, 453 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: you are depressed. But that regrouping and that like brushing 454 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: yourself off, that's very empowering. And that's I think what 455 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's when like all the good stuff happens. 456 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: We screwed it up. It could be a business. We 457 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: screwed the whole day up. Everything sucked. But you know what, 458 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: let's get excited for tomorrow. And I like people around 459 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: me that are like that because it's I know people 460 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: who never get excited about something. They say, I'm not 461 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: getting excited until I know it's for sure. I get 462 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: excited about everything if it's if we if we ship 463 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: the bet and it sucks, I still got excited. So 464 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: now I got excited and it sucked, versus not being 465 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: excited and it's sucking. It's better to be excited and 466 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: it's sucking. Yeah, And I think, look, look, life is 467 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: super short, right we we we've been given this gift 468 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: of eighties six thousand, four or seconds in a day. 469 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: I say this often we lose most of those two 470 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: a spiraling down world kind of negative self talk mechanism 471 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: that is so critical that we don't even allow ourselves 472 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: to be present. We're thinking about some think in the 473 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: future that we need to hit, and we're kind of 474 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: operating based on those kind of traumas or micro traumas 475 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: or failures that have happened in the past, and so 476 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: we're like never really here and we're never really there, 477 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: but we're living in the past. It's just like weird mechanism. 478 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: And so what I have found is that there's nothing 479 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: but during sports your present. During sports your present. But 480 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I also think that there's nothing wrong, by the way, 481 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: with having that and knowing as long as you know 482 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: that you're on the treadmill, so to speak, right, and 483 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: you can get off the treadmill at times. Right a 484 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: catalyst or a lever or an incident that happened in 485 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: your life can be perhaps one of the most powerful 486 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: emotional tools that supersedes anything else. Education, physical ability, good looks, 487 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: whatever those things are, they mean nothing. When you see 488 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: a man or woman on fire, you know what I mean? 489 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: Like when they are, it's it's incredible. Yes, but you 490 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: said something that made me think about meditation. People think 491 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: that meditation is supposed to be absent of worry and stress. 492 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be sort of just identifying it. And 493 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: they say, if you don't like people worry, Oh god, 494 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking about my list when I was trying 495 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: to meditate, and then they they did it wrong. If 496 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: you lean into what you were thinking about, usually it 497 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: will dissipate versus if you run away from it, it 498 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: will chase you. So I think it's kind of what 499 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: you're saying, like it's okay to be not present then 500 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: to be worried. But I guess if you identify that, 501 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: then you're ultimately being more present. Yeah, it's um, you know, 502 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: I mean like deeply rooted in Buddhist philosophy. Is this 503 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: like belief of like if you seek happiness you'll never 504 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: get it, right, Like exactly what we're saying, the same thing, right, 505 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, except what it is. And then 506 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: you it's a lot less pressure. We're always thinking we're 507 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: doing it wrong or this I should be relaxing more. 508 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: I shouldn't be worrying about this right now. You know, 509 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: you're at a spa and you're thinking about something and 510 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: you're like, damn, I'm supposed to be relaxing. It's not 511 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: relaxing to be thinking you're supposed to be relaxing. Um. 512 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: So you're an entrepreneur, you're a business person. You uh 513 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about it, you write about it. So, um, was 514 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: that is that part of your sort of striving for excellence? 515 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: What what was your understanding of business and money as 516 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: a child. I know you said you're father was certainly 517 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: not someone who cared about money. You wrote you wrote 518 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: that it's a tool. But how did you become someone too? 519 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: I guess financially in business wise. Extend your minutes of 520 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: athletic greatness. You know, not to say that you you 521 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: were fifteen minutes. But we all have a moment when 522 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: it's the biggest. So I'm asking about the extension plan. 523 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: My moment was like twenty years ago. It's crazy, I 524 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: didn't say that. And and that's a realization that like 525 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: at some point in your life, what you did in 526 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: the past is not the most happening thing anymore. And 527 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: that's just that's life. You have to expect that, and 528 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: you have to figure out, um, what is it gonna 529 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: be fulfilling and important? That part of the reinvention, and 530 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason why I wrote this 531 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: book Hard Pivot is really deeply rude in this belief 532 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: that we all were faced these types of changes, either 533 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: by force, by nature or whatever it might be. And 534 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: the more prepared that we can be to embrace those 535 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: changes and those challenges, the better outcome that we will 536 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: actually be able to experience. So from my first identity, 537 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: which is the Olympic athlete, I had to kind of 538 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: dissolve that, so to speak, and I didn't know how 539 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: to do that, like twelve years ago, so I basically 540 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: ran away and ran away, meaning like I went to 541 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: the furthest place on the actual planet physically, which was 542 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: in Asia, and I started pursuing businesses that I had 543 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing, but I was ambitious 544 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: and a part of this was this kind of deep 545 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: rooted feeling that I had to keep moving that was 546 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: really really important. I knew that I couldn't remain stagnant, 547 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: and I also knew that my routine and what got 548 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: me to be a great Olympic athlete was simply the 549 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: attributes now the natural skill sets and talents that I 550 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: was given um from the universe, from this, from whatever 551 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: I have um they you know, wearing tights and going 552 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: in circles in business means nothing like no one actually 553 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: really cares and most people don't want to go in 554 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: circles anyway. But that was that was what I perfected 555 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: when I was in the sport, and so I moved 556 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: from that into this arena of saying Okay, Like I 557 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: have to stop saying no to everything else, which I 558 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: did my entire life. I said no to everything that 559 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: didn't involve me being the best in the Olympic path. 560 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: And then I started saying yes to everything, and it 561 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: didn't matter what it was. I wanted to curate these 562 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: experiences because my natural curiosity became a superpower. I understood 563 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: that I had advanced so much in my personal life 564 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: and when in regards to my sport. But outside of that, 565 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: I was a baby. I was a kid. I was 566 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: I was like nine, you know, I was like whatever 567 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: was going on? Fifteen? Like I literally was so stunted. 568 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: And so you can imagine like no real collegiate or 569 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: university experience in a dorm room setting, or learning, no 570 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: internships in any capacity, not ever working for a company, 571 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: not understanding business. And I'm starting but but I'm seven 572 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: years older than anyone else potentially that would be in 573 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: the same position, right, And so I've got these credible 574 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: life experiences and I've got zero business experience, And so 575 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: there's this emotional feeling of like I don't want to 576 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: feel stupid in this room. Now I can get into 577 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: any room that I want in the world. The problem 578 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: is after the first kind of you know, hey, great 579 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: to meet you. My son or daughter is a big fan, 580 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: why are you here again? Like like what actually you? 581 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: And so that chip on the shoulder became a really 582 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: strong motivational tool. That's amazing, you know, and I read 583 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. We have similar principles. First of all, 584 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: I wrote a book called The Place of Yes but 585 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: um and talking about the pandemic and thinking about the pandemic. 586 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: It's sort of I think I've read in some of 587 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: your the press about you, just about the way that 588 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the world has shifted now and there are different things 589 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: to grab onto. Like so many people are worried about 590 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 1: the fact that, oh that change, and I see it 591 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: that way, But I see that as a total opportunity 592 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: in business like this the snowboots was shaken. Everything's upside down, 593 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: and so there are so many new pockets for success, 594 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: so many new ways to be successful and entrepreneurial. And um, 595 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: how have you changed the way you're doing business or 596 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: what what's happening that's different now based on this time? Yeah, 597 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: So you know, I I spend most of my time now, 598 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: um in venture, meaning like we find great company needs, 599 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: analyze the data, and then we invest in those founders 600 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: and support them along their journey UM throughout the investment 601 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: life cycle of that company UM. And so what we've 602 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: found is that many times when I meet young founders 603 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: who are talking about a new particular niche, business, a sector, 604 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: a vertical that I believe doesn't need to exist and 605 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: is unimportant because I don't watch or subscribe or interact 606 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: with those types of protocols or projects wherever the may be. 607 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: And so an exercise that we've all done is like, 608 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: what am I missing? Why am I missing this? And 609 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: there's a very famous UM venture capitalist that's based in 610 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: San Francisco that had passed I believe on pinterest UM 611 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: at the at the earliest stage, and it would have 612 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: like returned his whole fund, meaning like he would have 613 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: had multiples and it was would have been a huge 614 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: home run for him. And then you know, like a 615 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: couple of months later after he comes back home from 616 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: work and his wife is talking about this like new 617 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: this website Pinterest, and he's like showing all these things 618 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I am not a fifty three 619 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 1: year old woman at the time, this is the time 620 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: and obviously the demographic has changed immensely, and so he's 621 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: got this in the in the background of like his 622 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: like his office. It basically reminds him. He's like, Hey, 623 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: the reason why you don't get it is because this 624 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: is not a part of your experiences, whether that's in 625 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: video games, whether that's in you know, Web three, in 626 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: crypto or n f T s are just a crazy 627 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: and that could be scared because you have to learn it. Yeah, 628 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: that could be Jessica's or turned down Uber. She was 629 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: one of the people they asked in the beginning, the 630 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: girl from Gossip Girl, Jessica's Or. They asked her in 631 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: the beginning to be part of Uber. She was embarrassed 632 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: to tell me. I'm like, it's part of your journey, 633 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: but that I I want to cry thinking about it. 634 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: There's a ton of those stories, right, Like we have 635 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: stories like all across the board, and so many different 636 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: investments that would have returned like ten thou ex returns right, 637 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: but then it's neither here nor there, right. I think 638 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: the only way that we learned from that is to 639 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: remove ourselves. This is a part of the why the 640 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: book is important, is that you go through lie if 641 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: in this conditioning of your upbringing and your belief on 642 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: how the world works and should work. And the more 643 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: that you subscribe to that is powerful and strong, and 644 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: it gives you identity to align with, it gives you 645 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: the tribalism around. I missed the days and we didn't 646 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: have cell phones and people went to concerts and they 647 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: really experienced them, or in the Olympics and they really 648 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: watched them and they weren't on their phones and tweeting 649 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: and instagram and like, there's all that right, and and 650 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: that's fine. But I think from a business perspective, the 651 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: ones who are able to subscribe and have the foresight 652 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I'm missing something, and maybe I don't 653 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: believe in it, but I can understand how this new 654 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: technology communication or way that people are are engaging with 655 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: each other is going to be something spectacular and I 656 00:32:47,280 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: need to buy into that or you lose an opportunity. 657 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: So I have no idea what you're going to say 658 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: about this, uh question, what percentage are you lucky and 659 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: what percentage smart? I'm for sure not very smart, So 660 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm heavily skewed on the lucky side. Look, 661 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: I look I believe that I have been, like really 662 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: gifted an incredible life amidst all the challenges and hardships 663 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and failures. Like I just I don't think that I 664 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: was originally intended or supposed to be here, or maybe 665 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: I was, but I just I feel like things have 666 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: happened in my life that are incredible. The people that 667 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: I have met, the individuals, the stories, just the a 668 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: the access be, the actual experiences, the things that I 669 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: have seen, the rooms that I have been in, the experiences, 670 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: the Olympic Games, um, the chances that I've been given, 671 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: whether I win or lose, whatever, but like the chance 672 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: I've been given, like my life is incredible, and so 673 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: I feel that's that's lucky. I fund to believe that, 674 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: And I'm okay believing that. Do I believe that I 675 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: have to do the hard work, and the work is 676 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: the actual shortcut of course, like that's the standard metric 677 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: for how I operate and live. But not for a 678 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: second do I ever believe that, Um, it is because 679 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: I was more intelligent or smarter than in your athlete. 680 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: I think I was really lucky. I was lucky to 681 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: be able to something was instigated in me to want 682 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: to do more than other athletes. I don't know what 683 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: that is. I don't know if that's my father. I'm 684 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: lucky to have a I mean, like I have a 685 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: dad singing about in household. But my dad was incredible, 686 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: Like he's just like every day I can't believe like that, 687 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: my this is my dad, And I hope that one 688 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: day I could be the same father to my kids. 689 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: He was to me like just a semblance of that. Well, 690 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: it's funny because I was just thinking, you're you may 691 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: be one of the people that just actually is very 692 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: very lucky. But I mean, but what's funny is that 693 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: somebody's very lucky if they're smart. I just thought of 694 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: that for the first time. Like if you're if you 695 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: happen to be really smart, then you happen to be 696 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: really lucky. I mean, in sport, we used to have 697 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: this saying where you know, short track speeds getting into 698 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: sport where you need luck like you absolutely need it. Um. 699 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: But then there's also a saying that says like make 700 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: your own luck. You put yourself in the right and 701 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: the best possible process and timing to where like you 702 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: can actually get that's the preparation prep being prepared for 703 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: when those fish calm, having your net and wait to 704 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: be lucky like that is the wrong move. That is nothing. 705 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: Thank you being prepared to be lucky, UM, Rose and 706 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: thorn of your career. The Rose was my first ever 707 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: Olympic final in sport. My first ever Olympic final in 708 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City about twenty years ago, UM in two 709 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: thousand two, where I intended and I was in the 710 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: lead to win this race. I was favored to win 711 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: this race. I was like on the cover sports, like 712 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: all these things. I was highly hyped as a as 713 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: as an Olympic athlete. UM, and I didn't and I 714 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: got silver. I had fallen. UM, I cut my leg. 715 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: That was the rose because of the edible life lessons 716 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: that it gave me later on life, and that was 717 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: to get back up. I can't control the outcome. When 718 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: you believe that you are deserving of a particular result 719 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: and you don't get it, you have a choice to 720 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: perceive that as I'm going to live the rest of 721 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: my life angry and bitter, or I'm going to take 722 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: this as a gift, like as I said, and I'm 723 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: lucky enough and I'm grateful enough to have represented the 724 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: US and have won this medal. Is it the color 725 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: that I originally wanted to know? But that's okay. I 726 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: actually I wouldn't change the color today. I wanted to 727 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: be silver because of what it represented in so many ways. Um. 728 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: And the thorn that could be called that could be 729 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: a that could be called your silver rose. Yeah, my 730 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,359 Speaker 1: silver rose. Um. I like that, I would say, like 731 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: because of my you know, I didn't grow up with 732 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: a mom in my life, right, I had mother figures 733 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: so to speak, like godmothers and people like that, but 734 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have I think that that tenderness and empathy 735 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: I didn't get. I got no that did not have anything, um. 736 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: And so I was raised in a way where I 737 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: think it really affected. I think it still does affect 738 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: the way that I approach relationships. And it's been really 739 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: really hard, um, really really hard, and uh, I'm getting 740 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: better at it. But I think that my not like 741 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: the way that I naturally am in a relationship is 742 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: it's tough. Um. And again like I'm super lucky because 743 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I have met incredible women in my life that have 744 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: taught me so much, and one of them is is this. 745 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: You know, my my current is is Bianca. Um, she's 746 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: just she's been so incredible in so many ways. But UM, 747 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: just like having someone to kind of basically re teach 748 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: me this is the stuff that I should have been 749 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: taught like thirty years ago. Well, allowing yourself to be 750 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: loved is not that easy for certain people, especially you're 751 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: on the you know, you're on the road, you're doing 752 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: this and you're goal oriented, and it's hard to stop 753 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: down and just be porous and allow yourself to be loved. 754 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: So I really do understand that that makes perfect sense 755 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: based on your background. So that's good. So that you're 756 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: doing that now, that's amazing trying to do the work. Yeah, 757 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: that's awesome. This was so wonderful to talk to you. 758 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: I really and I really do love talking to athletes. 759 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: I spoke to Maria Sharapova and Lindsey Vaughan and Gabrielle Reason. 760 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: It's just like a yeah, there's it's a very interesting 761 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: type of person, just like a very solid person. So 762 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: I'm from my experience here. So I've enjoyed this very much. 763 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you, Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. 764 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: Good luck. The book is hard, pivot. I just realized 765 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: the double entendres. So I love the name and I'm 766 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: excited for you. So congratulations, and I hope this helps. 767 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: But it was a great conversation. I loved talking to Apollo. 768 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: What an interesting conversation. He is so strong, so solid, 769 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: so sage uh. And I've really liked talking to the 770 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 1: serious competitive athletes. I find that to be a gift, 771 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: and I'm so honored and grateful that I've gotten to 772 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: share with you some of their wisdom for really striving 773 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: and battling the odds and still thriving and succeeding, because 774 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: that's a real that's just a real challenging road. I mean, 775 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: it's just you do it or you don't. There's no 776 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: gray in sports. If you want or you lost. So 777 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: I think it's been really interesting speaking to the competitive athletes. 778 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, rate, review and subscribe. Another wonderful day, 779 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: and I'm just so grateful, So thank you. Have a 780 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 1: good day. Just b is hosted by me Bethany Frankel. 781 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: Just be as a production of Be Real Productions, I 782 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Blue Duck Media. Are EPs are Morgan Levois, 783 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: Antonio Enriquez, and Kara hit to Catch more moments from 784 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: the show, follow us on Instagram and just be with 785 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: Bethany