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Speaker 1: Hi, this is new due to the virus. I'm recording

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Speaker 1: On this episode of Nukes World, I'm taking a closer

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Speaker 1: look at voter fraud and how it could affect the

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Speaker 1: outcome of the twenty twenty election. You know, various folks

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Speaker 1: on the left will tell you, oh, there's not really

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Speaker 1: any voter fraud. I was probably affected because in the

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Speaker 1: first campaign I was really involved in, back in nineteen sixty,

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Speaker 1: I remember late on election night who was very very close,

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Speaker 1: on the closest presidential elections in history. And then in

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Speaker 1: Chicago people voted who had actually been dead for a while,

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Speaker 1: and down in the valley in Texas people voted who

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Speaker 1: didn't exist, and all of a sudden, Illinois and Texas

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Speaker 1: both went for John F. Kennedy, although in both cases

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Speaker 1: the margin was almost certainly voter fraud. So I've had

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Speaker 1: a long career of being very worried about voter fraud.

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Speaker 1: And the amazing thing is, for anybody who has any doubt,

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Speaker 1: there is a place called the Heritage Foundation that has

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary collection of information, and you could never look

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Speaker 1: at it without realizing just how real and how dangerous

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Speaker 1: voter fraud is. I'm pleased to welcome my guest, Hans

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Speaker 1: von Spakovsky, an authority on a wide range of issues,

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Speaker 1: including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the

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Speaker 1: rule of law, and government reform. He's a Senior Legal

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Speaker 1: Fellow and the Heritage Foundations Edwin Meets the Third Center

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Speaker 1: for Legal and Judicial Studies. Hans von Spakovsky is one

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Speaker 1: of the key people I turn to for advice on

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Speaker 1: election law reform. Hans, why do you think the news

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Speaker 1: media and the so called public interest groups find it

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Speaker 1: so hard to admit that there's in the election process. Wait,

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Speaker 1: this is a relatively new phenomena. If you go back

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Speaker 1: thirty years, it really wasn't like that back then, that

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Speaker 1: it was bipartisan concern over it. You could find stories

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Speaker 1: about voter froad cases, even in places like the New

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Speaker 1: York Time. This is kind of a recent phenomena, and

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Speaker 1: it appears to have started when some state legislatures started saying, well, look,

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Speaker 1: we really should try to pass measures that would give

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Speaker 1: us more secure elections. And they started talking about things

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Speaker 1: like requiring an ID when you vote, or requiring proof

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Speaker 1: to compare. They're statewide vote registration lists to find people

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Speaker 1: who have registered more than one state. And I am

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Speaker 1: afraid that the problem may be that there are some

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Speaker 1: and they don't like it moth vulnerabilities are addressed. So

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Speaker 1: do you think that's deliberate, willful ignorance of their party?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they genuinely don't know? I think on

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Speaker 1: some folks it's genuine ignorance of not understanding that there

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Speaker 1: really is fraud, that it really happens. But I think

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Speaker 1: on the other side, there are folks who they want

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Speaker 1: And the best example I can give you that is

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Speaker 1: several individuals were convicted of absentee ballot fraud in Troy,

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Speaker 1: New York. One of them was a political consultant for

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, and when he was asked by the

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Speaker 1: police why they had targeted this one particular neighborhood, in essence,

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Speaker 1: they went in and they stole the absentee ballots of voters,

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Speaker 1: forged signatures, submitted them, and they picked a low income

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Speaker 1: When he was asked why are they targeted that neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: he said, well, it's because these are the individuals who

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Speaker 1: least likely to complain about it. So I think that, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: says a lot about some of the political consultants that

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Speaker 1: the second line that eventually have as well. There may

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Speaker 1: be some minor theft or some minor distortion, but they

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Speaker 1: have close elections all the time in this country. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of astonished a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: of elections in his state that within the last three

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Speaker 1: And that's because the elections that we have, we have

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Speaker 1: Like the mayor of Court in Alabama, who we just

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Speaker 1: office because he engaged in absentee ballot fraud in an

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Speaker 1: you make of the aggressive effort right now to go

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Speaker 1: which is, for example, our troops overseas have been allowed

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Speaker 1: So how do you see one the difference between the

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Speaker 1: traditional way we've done absentee ballots and what the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are proposing. And two, what do you think the outcome

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Speaker 1: mail system they want. I think the kind of universal

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Speaker 1: by mail system they want will cause huge problems because

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't make our elections even more vulnerable to fraud

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Speaker 1: and other problems. Look, right now, you can vote by

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Speaker 1: absentee ballot in forty five states and of Columbia and

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Speaker 1: nobody disputes that we need that for people who are

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Speaker 1: our troops who are overseas and their families. But in

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Speaker 1: those states, normally, what you have to do is you

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Speaker 1: have to request the absentee ballot, So you've got to

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Speaker 1: gives election officials a little bit of a better opportunity

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Speaker 1: to authenticate that it's a real request that you are

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Speaker 1: a voter. Compare that to the five states that have

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Speaker 1: now by various folks to deal with the pandemic. In

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Speaker 1: those states like Oregon, they simply mail an absentee ballot

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Speaker 1: to every single registered voter. Well, the problem with that

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Speaker 1: in terrible condition, and everybody knows that the states don't

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Speaker 1: do a very good job of cleaning up their voter rolls,

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Speaker 1: which means that you have ballots being mailed out to

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Speaker 1: register voters who don't actually live at their addresses anymore

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Speaker 1: be an invitation to massive amounts of fraud? Yes, it

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Speaker 1: would be. In states that legalized boat harvesting, you would

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Speaker 1: have probably paid political consultants and others going through neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: and people have been prosecuted for it, but it's hard

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Speaker 1: really dramatically weaken the concept of a secret ballot because

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Speaker 1: even be legal. We've all seen that states have laws

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Speaker 1: in a small town in Indiana, why because of that

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Speaker 1: Is that a reasonably accurate description? Oh? No, I think

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Speaker 1: that's exactly accurate. While some states like California allow vote harvesting,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a very unwised policy, many states

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Speaker 1: Why would she put in a provision saying, well, it's

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Speaker 1: Another provision it had in it was forcing all states

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Speaker 1: to allow same day registration. What that means is that

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Speaker 1: on election day and immediately vote. The reason that is

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Speaker 1: register an immediate vote, there's no way to know whether

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Speaker 1: And that's really shown by the fact that the very

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