1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Even though this is not an open championship, it is 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: open championship. You can be good enough at golf, even 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: without any status on any tour anywhere in the world. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: You can be good enough at golf to play your 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: way into this championship. Put another log on the fire 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: What are here is get the time? Hello? This is 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Alan ship Nut back for another fire Drill podcast. I 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: have a murderers row of a fire pit talent here 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: on the line. Michael Bamberger, Ryan Frands Las Versaias gentlemen, 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being part of this. Thank you guys, 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on, always on it to be 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: with you. That's a lie. So um. This is gonna 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: be a PG Championship preview from a slightly different point 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: of view. You know, Ryan, we want to get any 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: thoughts you might have on some of the some of 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: the folks in the field who the golf fans don't 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: know that much about. You know, there's plenty of talk 18 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: about Scottie Scheffler and John Ram and those homies, But 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: are are there some names in this field that that 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: jump out at you? Yeah? I mean I always take 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: the angle of the of the people who will probably 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: never be talked about Allen and probably never going to 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: be in contention, although you know all of them. I 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: talked to a couple of guys that I'll talk about quickly, 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: but um, you know all of them have it's impossible 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: to block out that, Like if they have the week 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: of their lives, could they be in contention? Right? But Uh, 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: talk to Casey Pine last night. Super interesting dude, I 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: mean just very eccentric. Uh, really cool. Uh called me 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: at eleven thirty last night and I was like, yeah, 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm up. Of course I'm up. I've been at the 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: course all day. This is great. But an assistant pro 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: in Delaware and then in the winter like kind of 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: goes and chases his dreams. Got to final stage of 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Asian Q School twice. UM didn't get a full card. 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: So because of a financial you know, financial lee that 37 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: doesn't work, hanging out and waiting for Asian tour starts. 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: Came back and has done it. But just like one year, 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: went to uh an event in Kansas City. His friend 40 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: bailed on a place that he could stay and he 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: had bought a twenty four hour UM passed to a 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: gym and and just went and slept in the gym 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: until he got kicked out of there, and and I 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: was like, is that bad? And he's like, this is great. 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: I love every part of that. He lived in his 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: car for six weeks. Uh read that Hogan drank a 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: bunch of caffeine before events, so did that and had 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: to shake so bad, you know, couldn't put It's just 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: a really weird, eccentric, awesome dude. And uh uh he 50 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: said where do you get I asked him where he 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: got it? He said, I've been working on my putting. 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: I said where did you Where do you you know? 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Who do you work with? And he said, I worked 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: with YouTube. I do a lot of YouTube clips on 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: Tiger and so, uh, super good dude. And then Jared Jones. 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people just don't 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: realize how hard pro golf is. I mean, Jared Jones 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: was like a very decorated amateur player as a junior, 59 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: went to Ohio State for four years. I mean, I 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: was on the team and everybody knows that the history 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: of Ohio State. I mean, and didn't couldn't cut it, 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, couldn't crack an egg at the pro level. Um, 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: but has a very interesting he was he caddied for 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholas when Jack did the redesign of the Scarlet 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Course at Ohio State, and uh they had an opening 66 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: ceremonial round and and Jared Um caddy for him. But 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: thirty six years old and this is his first, his 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: first p J start, and you know, he was just like, 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm soaking up everything said yesterday he uh, he ran 70 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: into Uh he was playing with some club pros in 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: a practice round. They stopped after nine. He went on 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: and met Ricky and Jason Duff and 're on on 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: ten and played the back night with him, and he's like, 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a golf nerd. It's the coolest 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: thing ever. So uh, you know this will be like 76 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of most of those guys career. Uh. And 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: it's it's just super cool, you know. It's just that's 78 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: kind of the side I obviously focus on. And um, 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: it's just a super cool part of golf that is 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: not I always say the same thing. It's like, you 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: don't get a chance to have a free throw contest, 82 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: to play for the Lakers for a week, and and 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: these are just like regular regular Joe's and now they're 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: going to play in one of the four biggest tournaments 85 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: in golf. It's just very cool. Yeah, I like that 86 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: for for Michael and Las. I mean, there's there's always 87 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: debate about should they reduce the number of club pros 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: or those guys taking the spots of more seasoned touring players, 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: But this is the one week all year we really 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: celebrate the guys in in the pro shop, right, who 91 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: are are in a huge part of of of the 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: sport and they're the ones who cure your slice and 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: they get you deal a new driver, and like they're 94 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: they're the lifeblood for a lot of people's golf experience 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of cool that that we 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: give them this this this stage. And you know, with 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: with twenty more players from the bottom of the PGA tour, 98 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, if money list make a huge difference in 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: this tournament, probably not, but it gives a little a 100 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: little heart and soul to this event. But what does 101 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: your guys take on on where the club pros fit in? Well, 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's to me, it's always interesting 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: to see there are so many different classes. I think 104 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: there's twenty four different classifications of PGA professionals, ranging from 105 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: what we think of as being like the director of 106 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: golf or head professional, all the way down through club fitters, 107 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: um you know, merchandizers, teaching professionals. All of those different 108 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: specialties within the profession can qualify UM for PGA membership. 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: And it's not often you get like an actual shirt 110 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: folding assistant in the event. A lot of these guys 111 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: spend a lot more time, you know, teaching on the range, 112 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: helping us get better. So maybe not the traditional pro 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: that we're thinking of, you know, answering the phone, kind 114 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: of running the tournament, but um, you know this is 115 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: it's also like an homage to the profession, you know, 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: to the actual PGA of America, to say, like, you know, 117 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: this is the roots of the professional game in America. 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: It's always been kind of a quirky major for me 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: at least, but I love to see it. Um you know, 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: Illinois coach Mike Small is kind of my favorite of 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: the PGA pros that kind of pops in and and 122 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: makes a run at it, So I enjoy it as 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: a as a former club pro. For me, it's it's 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: fun to see some names pop up that I see 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: again and again. UM, and some of them can really play, 126 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: so so it's a real threat to watch it. Yeah, 127 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: I would agree with all that. And then to Ryan's 128 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: point when he's citing the names of these players, I've 129 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: never heard of either of those names. Ryan, that that 130 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: you just mentioned. But even though this is not an 131 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: open championship is open championship. You can be good enough 132 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: at golf to even without any status on any tour 133 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, you can be good enough at 134 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: golf to play your way into this championship like those 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: two guys did. So that's really cool. And Ryan to 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: at last year point about about Mike Small and you'll 137 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: all remember this name, but Jim Alvis was a real 138 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: club pro. He ran Piping Rock and he ran a 139 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: golf course at Satan before that, and he qualified I 140 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: don't know the number for numerous PJA championships and turned 141 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: fifty and he quit that and then he was a 142 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: stud on the senior tour. So he was load and 143 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: load and load to a game. Just never had the 144 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to play the pH A Tour. But there are 145 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: many different paths, and the four of us would be 146 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: examples of the steward. There are many different paths to 147 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: making this game part of your life, and this week 148 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: does celebrate those guys. And just one of the quick note, 149 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: and this kind of relates to what Phil has been 150 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about of late, this PGA Tour that we're so 151 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: interested and talk about all the time. It's a breakaway 152 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: to her from the PGA of America. And that only 153 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: happened in ye It's not like it's a hundred years ago. 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Um So the historic ties between the PGA Tour and 155 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: PGA of America, that's a very real thing. And for 156 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: this one week to bring the two together is new inappropriate. 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: And I'll quickly add there was a great article Allen 158 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: about from Shane Ryan about uh, you know, club pros 159 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: and and it's it's a dying profession. Assistant pros make 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: no money and unreal hours and the growth of golf 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: and obviously we it's kind of I I kind of 162 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: compared to Twitter. Twitter is great kind of make Uh 163 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: they're probably probably level field. So the article really went 164 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: into the you know that there's a lot of pain 165 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: in the ask members and these these guys are making 166 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: thirty grand a year, thirty five grand a year and 167 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: quitting like crazy. They can't even fill the job. So, um, 168 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: I think it's an important week to to just that 169 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: this profession is not very glamorous at all. A lot 170 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: of these guys are director of golf and director of 171 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: instruction and living a pretty good life. But they all 172 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: most of them lived, you know, an assistant pro and 173 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: some very obscure club that we've never heard of, making 174 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: thirty grand to get where they are. So um, I 175 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: think it's just an important Uh, it was an important 176 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: article to talk about this side of golf. It's a 177 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it's a dying part of golf. Well, I also, I 178 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I think that it used to 179 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: be that you would call the shop to make a 180 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: tea time, and now, as the saying goes, there's an 181 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: app for that. It used to be that if you 182 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: had a snap hook that you needed cured, you'd go 183 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: get a lesson at the club. Now there's an app 184 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: for that. So the profession itself is is going the 185 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: way of the travel agent. You know, it used to 186 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: be that people actually bought clubs from the professional who 187 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: often own the shop. But the second they could save 188 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: nineteen on a five dollar set of irons, they would 189 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: do that. So, you know, people have not supported their 190 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: shops and and and their local prosum in in a 191 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: way that you know, maybe the profession needs because of 192 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: competition from big box stores, because of technology. So, um, 193 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: this has been writing on the wall since I worked 194 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: in the back room in Town and Country in nineteen 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: ninety when the big you know people would show up 196 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: with boxes and say, hey, you know, here's my here's 197 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: the clubs I just got down the street at Nevada 198 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Bob's and they would ham them to the pro. Could 199 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: you just throw the box away for me and switch 200 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: them out and maybe take my old clubs and give 201 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: them to a caddy or something. And and the pro 202 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: who owns the shop with these same clubs and stock, 203 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: it's going to have to eat the cost of those 204 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: clubs because no one's going to buy them from him anymore. So, um, 205 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: this this has been coming down the pipeline for a while. 206 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: And when most professions and most careers are threatened like that, 207 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: they will make adjustments to survive and be more relevant. 208 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: So what you saw was the PGA tour starting to 209 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: special Sorry, the PGA of America is starting to specialize 210 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: the profession. So okay, Ryan French, look you're not only 211 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: going to be a pg A professional. You're gonna be 212 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: a PGA professional with with an emphasis on food and 213 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: beverage or with an emphasis on general management. So now 214 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: we're going to put more duties on your shoulders, hence 215 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: more time at the job. More um, more touch places 216 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: in in the clubhouse, whether you know it's it's the 217 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: food or the operations of the ground screw now falls 218 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: on you. So um, it's been coming for a while, 219 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: and and it's it's sad to see that the reaction 220 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: that the p g A had um which was to 221 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: develop this professional golf management program. So now I, as 222 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: a graduating senior in high school, can go to Fair 223 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: Estate or Clemson and do a four year p g 224 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: A program. And here I come out at age two, 225 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: and I they expect me to be a class APGA 226 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: member who can handle the rigors of of a job 227 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: that's not that easy and certainly not that easy for 228 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: two year old kid who very likely you know is 229 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: in it because he loves golf, not necessarily because he 230 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: loves managing people where he understands operational excellence. So you 231 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: kind of make your own bed in this world. Yeah, 232 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's just when I think about the all 233 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: the class A pros out there my three summers and 234 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: as a cartboy at Pebble Beach, I saw this play 235 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: at a few times. You had to pass the player 236 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: ability tests and I can't remember the numbers. I think 237 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: you had to shoot like seventy five or something around there. 238 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: And the stress on these guys. They've done all the 239 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: classroom work, they've got all the qualifications and they have 240 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: to go out and pass this test and it's very unforgiving. 241 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, It's just it's just a number you got 242 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: to shoot and there's no wiggle room. And these were 243 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: good players, but you know, guys would wash out and 244 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: they'd have to wait however many months to try again, 245 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: and it was like it was it was this. It 246 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: was almost kind of cruel because if you can shoot 247 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: seventy seven seventy seven, you're still a good player and 248 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: you can still be a good head pro somewhere. But no, 249 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: you gotta get you gotta hit the number, or that 250 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: doesn't count. And like to me, that was like really 251 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: high stakes golf. And I was sort fascinated, as as 252 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: a teenage I don't really understand how it all work, 253 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: which is the this is like a life changing thing. 254 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: They go out and shoot these numbers, and that's always 255 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: stuck with me. It's so interesting what what what Las 256 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: was saying there, Because of course there's the economics of 257 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: the whole business that Las is addressing, and then there's 258 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: also as he's as he was talking about, I'm thinking 259 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: about the texture of the game has changed a lot 260 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: because you really there are fewer humor interactions with club 261 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: pros because you're doing so much online. And uh, and 262 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: we say that in every walk of life. I mean 263 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: even you know, when you're on the turnpike and you 264 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: go to pay your toll, well you don't talk to 265 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: human being at all. Of course, you just go right 266 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: through the easy pass. Uh. And that has actually affected 267 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: the uh, the texture of the game. Or like when 268 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: Ryan's talking about this, Uh, I think the assistant pro 269 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: from Delaware who's getting his pustle punting lesson not from 270 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: his buddy but from YouTube. And that's none of this 271 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: is helping the game or society, this lack of the 272 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: placky humor interaction. So it's, um, I never thought about 273 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: last what you just said until until just now. But uh, 274 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, part of the texture of Club life, especially 275 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: at a fancy club where even at Immunity was guys 276 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: hanging out and talking. And I don't mean guys anybody, 277 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, kids and whomever. And there's less of that 278 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: now and I don't think society is better for it. Yeah, 279 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: that's that's well said. UM, I want to switch gears 280 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. Um, Michael and I did 281 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: a podcast with Jeff Ogilvie and we really got into 282 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: Southern Hills as a golf course and as a as 283 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: an incredible test and all those things. But uh, I 284 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little more big picture here. You know, Michael, 285 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: I have discussed many times like the one of the 286 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: pleasures of this job is that it takes us to 287 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: places we probably wouldn't get to otherwise, and you get 288 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: to explore a place like Tulsa. UM, for Ryan is 289 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: at Midwestern I want you to speak to what it 290 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: means to have, you know, one of these big, huge 291 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: tournaments come to uh, you know, not a booming which 292 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Propolis and and then Laza's. I know you've been tracking 293 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: this for a while, but you know, Tulsa has its 294 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: own unique history, and UM, if we can get into 295 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: some of that as well as the complexion of the 296 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: city and and some of the some of the darker 297 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: shadows that that are around Tolls through the years, and 298 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: and how maybe this uh Gulf it plays a role 299 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: in all that. But what to start with, Ryan, Like, 300 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: what does it mean to Tulsa when a PG championship 301 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: blows into town? Yeah, I mean I think, Um, you know, 302 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: I called you and I talked on the phone yesterday 303 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: and you flew into Oklahoma City, Like how many majors 304 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: have you had to fly into a different city and 305 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: then drive to Like it just it doesn't happen very often, 306 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and so it's the only show in town. I mean, 307 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Bunky Perkins is a great follow and I mean, like 308 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: he was listing places that you would go and hidden 309 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: gems and Tulsa and those kind of things. It's just 310 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty I mean, Tulsa is a big city, but 311 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: in the scheme of things, in the scheme of majors, 312 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: it's not very big. And um, it's just cool to 313 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: see a place where it's the only show in town, 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: and it's just it's pretty rare. So um. Obviously, Michael's 315 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: article about how we got here and all those kind 316 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: of things is is it great of how we got here, 317 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: but just Tulsa on its own, is it's cool to 318 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: see a Midwestern you know, blue collar ish type city 319 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: have the only show in town. The the LPGA did 320 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: that for years. Uh. It went to places that you know, 321 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: didn't have NBA teams, in Major League Baseball teams and 322 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: uh and it worked. It was the only show in town. 323 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: And it's neat when you know, professional men's majors golf 324 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: doesn't do it very often, although in a sense Augusta 325 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: does it every year. I mean, would we ever go 326 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: to Augusta, Georgia where not for the fact that it 327 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: has the Master's uh no, um and or you know 328 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: Manchester for Ryder Cups. Now, so it is neat how 329 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: golf can be the only show in town and bring 330 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: the whole world um into that town for a week. Yeah, Tulsa, 331 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, has a unique UM. It's curious to me 332 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: that it's it's this is a tough thing to talk about, 333 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: um because I was sitting working on a piece about 334 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: a man named Bill Spiller. So Bill Spiller is largely 335 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: viewed as the the primary man who who who broke 336 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: down the Caucasian only clause He was the person that 337 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: went toe to toe with the As Michael mentioned earlier 338 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty one, you know, the PGA Tour and 339 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: the PGA were together, they were one, there were one entity, 340 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: um and they had a Caucasian only claus and Bill 341 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: Spiller was the man that challenged it. Um. He was 342 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: the one that kicked down that door so that so 343 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: that people of color could play on the on the 344 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: p G A tour. Um. He's from Tulsa and from Tulsa, 345 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: I mean you know, he moved there, uh when he 346 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: was eight years old. And this is in nineteen twenty one, 347 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: just after, just after the Tulsa Race Ride massacre. So 348 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: for those that are unfamiliar, um in UM one to 349 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: June one, the you know, black people were killed in 350 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: large numbers. People flew planes and dropped bombs on them 351 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: and destroyed the primary black neighborhood in Tulsa. And it's 352 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: things like that on the shoulders of years of Jim Crow, 353 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: on the shoulders of failed reconstruction, still dealing with the 354 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: residue of slavery. And it's things like this that that 355 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: make people want to leave the South and go to 356 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: places like Chicago and New York and St. Louis, and 357 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: in Bill Spiller's case, he goes to Los Angeles. Um, 358 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: we were lucky enough to get into the California African 359 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: American Museum where they have a they had a collection 360 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and it was called the African American move West, and 361 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: it kind of brings forth many of these artifacts that 362 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: people had as they as they left the South. So 363 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: we had Bill Spiller's foot locker and his golf bag 364 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: and his son and we we were we were sitting 365 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: and I was taking notes to to talk to him 366 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: about you know, were these were there any stories? Did 367 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: anyone share things with you when you were a kid 368 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: about what it was like? And he said, you know 369 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: how it is. You know that generation didn't share those stories. 370 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, what a tragedy because here 371 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: now in Buffalo, we've got another race massacre in a 372 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: grocery store where someone goes in with a gun and 373 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: kills ten black people. So it was really heavy to 374 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: deal with looking at that piece of history and and 375 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: and seeing it kind of repeat itself again in Buffalo, 376 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: New York. Sadly, but I asked him, you know, we 377 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: talked about um, how his father was in the posthumously 378 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: granted membership to the PJ of America, was inducted into 379 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Golf Hall of Fame. And he didn't really 380 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: he never played golf when he was in Oklahoma. Ever, 381 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: he started playing golf when he got to Los Angeles 382 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: at age. So it's well, you know, it was just 383 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of a heavy thing to talk about, uh and 384 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: and yeah, but it's it's important, it's important to bring 385 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: this up. Yeah, it's it's important to know that you 386 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: know that these things happened. We'll be I'll be curious 387 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: if if there's any acknowledgment on the telecast, because you know, 388 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: it's a it's a failure of of you know, various 389 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: school systems that I never heard about the Tulsa race 390 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: massacres in school is only in the last fifteen twenty 391 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: years and it even became aware of that such thing 392 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: had happened. And it seems like, you know, we just 393 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: we had to have the Hunter Anniversary last year, and 394 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: it was something that was talked about in a lot 395 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: of different places. And it''s almost like taking a full 396 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: century for for you know, a public awakening and reckoning 397 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: and uh not to say that it's a. The this 398 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: this championship tournament has hasn't anything to do with you know, 399 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: telling that story in a broadway. But when when you 400 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: come into a place like Tulsa, uh in you're you're 401 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: bringing this tournament here, and you're trying to tell tell 402 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: the whole complete story of the venue and the city 403 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: that shaped it, it does seem Germaine. So uh it's 404 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: it's you know, golf. The Bill Spiller connection is really 405 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: interesting because golf has always been slow to acknowledge it's 406 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: it's problems and that the caucasion only clause lasted into 407 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties is certainly something that that the PGF 408 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: America has always had to reconcile with. And uh So anyway, 409 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm I can't wait to hear that podcast and when 410 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: when you really bring that story to life last, because 411 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: I I do think it's important when when when you 412 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: when you visit these these cities that have these histories 413 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: that it needs to be told. Yeah, and I'll add 414 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: quickly that m Whyatt Worthington the second is a club 415 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: pro from Ohio who qualified African American, only the second 416 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: African American um to make it to the PGA through 417 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Pro Championship qualification process. Yeah, that is awesome 418 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: and and alantier point, you know, will the CBS, Tellegaster 419 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: even or even Golf Channel, you know, these major major 420 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: venues were literally millions of people get introduced to what 421 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: this tournament is about this week? Will there be any 422 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: mentioned in something like Bill Spiller that Tulsa race rights? 423 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: You know, we know historically the answers close to the 424 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: chance of that coast is zero. And it's such a 425 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: shame for golf that it takes us attitude because if 426 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: you look at the greatness of the NBA or the 427 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: greatness of Major League Baseball, the story of cities and 428 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: race relations and economic struggles that is part of the 429 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: fabric of what makes the NBA and the NFL and 430 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: even boxing, to let's degree, the NFL the great stories 431 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: that they are. And I don't know why golf always 432 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: tries to promote itself as it lives in this isolated 433 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: chamber of fairness, when of course it doesn't. And the 434 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: game would be a richer experience for more people if 435 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: we could just talk about it truthfully like we're trying 436 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: to do here. So you know, I hope that they 437 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: do I think that they won't. I think golf would 438 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: be better if, if, if we would do more to this. Yeah, 439 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: this is this is something that we touched on with Ogilvy. 440 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: But when you go to Southern Hills, it's like going 441 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: back in time. I mean, there's there's a there's it's 442 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: a very stately place and it's been that way for 443 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: a really long time, and so, um, you know it's 444 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: role in this city. It's it's been a hub for 445 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: the ruling class of Tulsa for a very long time. 446 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: And so, uh, it seems like it would be an 447 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: appropriate conversation to have, even though it makes some people uncomfortable, 448 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: but that's that's just part of it. I mean, you've, 449 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: you've we have to acknowledge, you know, our history as 450 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: in the game and beyond that. But uh, yeah, I 451 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: think they will touch on it at some point. Yeah. 452 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: And and you know, I'll give kudos to CBS for 453 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: having our friend and and past uh guests on the 454 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: Grassroots podcast, but Roger Steele will be um on site 455 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: doing clubhouse interviews and being on the driving range with 456 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: people as well. So Roger, for those who don't know, 457 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: is one of the kind of leading voices in Black 458 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: Golf today, UM and from Chicago and just really a 459 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: wonderful mind. So I'm glad he'll be featured throughout UM. 460 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's amazing that Whyatt Worthington this is his 461 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: second time qualifying. Before him he had to go back 462 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: to UM. And that speaks to the structure of the 463 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: PGA of America and where there are not many black 464 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: p g A of America professionals. I mean, one of 465 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: you guys might have the statistics. I know that. Um. 466 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, yesterday Bill Spiller Jr. Quoted the number something like, 467 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, sixty there's only sixty eight members. I think 468 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: there are a couple hundred African American members of the 469 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: PGA of America. But um, you know, the structure of 470 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: being granted that PGA classification is a little dated. You know, 471 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: to your point, Alan, you do have to pass the 472 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: player ability test, which you know you might have to 473 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: take it a couple of times. But um, I feel 474 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: like the p g A could certainly go out to 475 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: some of these courses that serve communities of color and 476 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: they will see that there are people that are largely 477 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: operating in a in a in a professional capacity. And 478 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: they are people that could be given some kind of 479 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: a fast track to PGA membership to to kind of 480 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: get those numbers up to kind of look at a 481 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: way to say like, actually, there are people doing the 482 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: work that's important to our game. How do we meet 483 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: them and say, Okay, yes, you you know. Karen Peak 484 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: is a great example. Karen Peak is a is a 485 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: woman who runs all of Detroit public golf. She graduated 486 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: from the University of Michigan with a degree in history. 487 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: She's fine player, she knows all about the history of 488 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: golf in Detroit. She literally runs operations for three different 489 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: golf courses. She's already an LPGA member, so there is 490 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: a fast track to go from LPGA membership to PGA membership. 491 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: That model of saying like, yes, if you have experience 492 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: in this already, don't worry too much about these three 493 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: levels of of of training that we're gonna put you through. 494 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: Some of them are very archaic. By the way, Um, 495 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: don't worry about flying to Florida three different times. Don't 496 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: worry about buying mountains of books that you're never going 497 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: to use. Once you get past this program, Let's just 498 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: look at your experience and what you do and somehow 499 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: find a way to say, all right, give us your 500 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: body of work, we'll review it and we'll get back 501 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: to you with what we'd like to see for you 502 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: to become a PGA member. Because there are thousands, thousands 503 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: of people who are you know, you've got Steve at 504 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: the range at Rancho. He's given more lessons than every 505 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: kid in the PGM program, which Wyatt Worthington, by the way, 506 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: is an alumnus of of Methodists, where he was in 507 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: the PGM program. But there are people all over our country, 508 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: black people working in golf, passionately dedicated, who who could 509 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: easily easily run clubs and and teaching programs that that 510 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: I think it would behoove the PGA of America to 511 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: find a way to bring those people in, maybe in 512 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: unorthodox manner, but um, it seems like a no brainer 513 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: to me to to reach out and find a way 514 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: to to get those people under the umbrella, so to speak. 515 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: So I just jumping with one quick question because I 516 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: want to correct myself if it's necessary. Less you may 517 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: know the science, certainly don't. Does CBS have something in 518 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: the works, um to really talk about race relations in 519 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: the history of race in Tulsa, so I can't know 520 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: about it. If that's the case, I definitely want to 521 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: correct myself. About six months ago, somebody asked me if 522 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: if if I had any ideas for for them um 523 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: at CBS and so I would expect to have something. 524 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean. My response, well, I hope, I'm let's yeah, 525 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: let's help, let's help. So so we'll see what happens. Yeah, 526 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: and I think last well, I know I heard that 527 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 1: I a PG official told me. I think there are 528 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand members of the PG of America. This 529 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: is it's almost hard to say the number because it 530 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: seems so a bit fewer than two hundred are are 531 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: black or or people of color. Yeah, think about that. 532 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that really is um. All right, well, 533 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: this this is uh, this has become a a non 534 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: golf conversation in a positive way. But let's let's bring 535 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: it back to a little bit. What's gonna happen between 536 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: the ropes. I just before I let you guys go out, 537 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: I want to just get your thoughts, like, what are 538 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: you most excited about for this PGA Championship? Answer that 539 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: anyway you wish the golf course. Watching, you know, watching 540 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: golf on television has gotten so much better over the 541 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: last few years with with with with the different cameras, 542 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: and the Venice cam now provides like this really rich 543 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: depth into the scene. I am a big fan of 544 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 1: Gill Hands and his work, and I've always been a 545 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: fan of Southern Hills, so I'm excited to see how 546 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: that um kind of the existing land and Gil's artistry 547 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: come together. I think Rory McElroy is going to get 548 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: back in the winner circle. I you know, we'll see, obviously, 549 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: but there's not a course that's too big for him, 550 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: and and it sure seems like he's, you know, he's 551 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: kind of trending in the right direction. So the two 552 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: things I'm most excited for Rory and the golf course. 553 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm most excited for the corn Ferry event. As you 554 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: guys know, uh this majors and top players in the 555 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: world and the rich the richest players getting richer, there's 556 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: not much of an interest to me. Uh. I love 557 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: the fact that there's some club pros. If an obscure 558 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: pro gets in contention or Tiger gets in contention, obviously 559 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll watch. But for the most part, my focus is 560 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: on the obscure parts of golf. So I'll be really 561 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: locked in on the course. What what what corn Ferry 562 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: event are we talking about? Give us set the table, Ryan, 563 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: you've got our attention. Note. Yeah, it's the Advent Health 564 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: and it's quite Uh it's so obscure. A lot of 565 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: guys a skip it. So it's way down the list 566 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: of of the priority list. Were deep in the in 567 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: the corn Ferry list. So, um, you know it's gonna rain. 568 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: It's often. Last year they had to tee off of 569 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: a temporary green, it was underwater. It's it's a semi 570 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: miserable time. Mark Mark called it. Uh you know he 571 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: said he wouldn't go there if there was a fifty 572 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: dollar appearance fee. Uh so Um, not a lot of 573 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: people go. So it often creates obscure winners and you 574 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: know it can kind of change their life. So that's it. 575 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: No idea some some some course in Kansas City. That's 576 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: semi mediocre of I love it, how about you, my 577 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: gol But Ryan Allen and I were with Mac Barnehard 578 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 1: the other day. Help me out here, babbit wrong. He 579 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: was talking about a tour called the G four Tour. 580 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly to what's that to a what's 581 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: the quality of that tour? Like, yeah, it's pretty good. 582 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean in the miniq tour world and this can 583 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: be its own pod. But the PGA Tours kind of 584 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: ruined mini tour golf Michael when they created the Canadian 585 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: Tour China that's now gone and and let Latino America 586 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: all the guys go there. So they kind of ruined 587 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: guys have the ability to make a living. Uh at 588 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: the developmental tour level. Um, you know, there used to 589 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: be the Hooters Tour and e Golf Tour and guys 590 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: would make you know, hundred fifty two thousand dollars if 591 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: they were leading the money list. Uh. So those are gone. 592 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: The g Pro Tour offers ten to twenty dollars to 593 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: the winner, uh, depending on on the field. And in 594 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: these this day and age, almost unheard of. Michael so 595 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: good reputable. The guys owned it for a long time. 596 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: And as we have learned as we've read about Big 597 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: Money Classic and other tours, he pays people. And that's 598 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: the most important thing that guys just want to get 599 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: a check. Alan the thing to follow up on what 600 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: last was saying, hi to him. I'm drawn to the 601 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: golf course and to watch the golfing intelligence of the 602 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: world's best players rise to the challenge of playing a 603 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: golf course is difficult in Southern Hills. And then to 604 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: go even a little deeper into that, uh, that nook, 605 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: especially pitch shots and greenside shots and bunker shots and 606 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: short putting and lag putting on tricky greens because they're 607 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: all so good. Um uh tita green now. But that's 608 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: is the great equalizer. It is the greatness of a 609 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: golf course like Southern Hills, like Augusta Nationals is pitching 610 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: it and chipping it and lag putting it and short 611 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: putting it and not just doing it on Thursday bright 612 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: through Sunday night. Uh. So that uh, And you don't 613 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: get that weekend and week out on the pH A 614 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: Tour when the conditions are softer and the grass is 615 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: a little longer and it's not as also fine, but 616 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: this won't be like that. And part of that, and 617 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: you really can't say enough about him, is how Carrie 618 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: Haig sets up a golf course is for p ch championships. Um. 619 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: I think he's really almost un heralded. We just hear 620 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: about like Mike Davis had a lot of skill with that. 621 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: But carry Hig does a great job as setting up 622 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: golf courses and I'm sure we'll have a just a 623 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: first rate challenge. Um, but we'll let the cream rights 624 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: to the crop. And to watch really closely what they 625 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: do is the ball. This is true of ever great 626 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: golf course, is that ball gets closer and closer to 627 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: the whole, the golf course actually becomes more and more difficult, yeah, 628 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: and more interesting. And it is going to be a 629 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: different kind of set up with a lot more uh, 630 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: areas for the ball to run to, these collection areas 631 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: and these shaved banks and uh, it's gonna be a 632 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: fascinating week around the greens. And I was out there 633 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: yesterday about seven o'clock when they'll they'll be finishing on Sunday, 634 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: and it was beautiful twilight, and there's just an elegance 635 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: to this golf course and at the way it sits 636 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: in the land and the flowing terrain, it just looked 637 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. And because of the craziness on the same 638 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: a second hole that's all remember about the two thousand 639 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: one US Open, two thousand and seven p GA is 640 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: the hottest tournament any of us have ever covered, and 641 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: that thousand people remember hopefully this is the date change 642 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: and and the redesign like this is the this is 643 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: the tournament where Southern Hills really becomes a superstar in 644 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: people's minds as a venue. So I'm excited about that. 645 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: And also we're in this this moment of great parity 646 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: where there's not a dominant player. There's a lot of 647 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: guys who are They're nibbling around the edges of that, 648 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: but no one has really asserted themselves. And you know, 649 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: if Sheffler to win this, if rom if called Markawa, 650 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: if Rory to were to come through again, like uh, 651 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: I think I think it's always helps drive interest in 652 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: the game when when one player is is really taken 653 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: the sport by the throat. And for sure Shecheffler is 654 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: on a nice heater, but um, this would take him 655 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: to a whole different levels. So I'll be curious if 656 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: someone can can start training in that direction. Well, Scheffler 657 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: is the course record holder here. I know that's that's 658 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: a great little nugget. Just just like Rory was at 659 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: Royal Port Rush. It didn't work out for him there, 660 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: but last, and curious if you ever heard heard this thing? 661 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: This is so old timey. I don't I don't even 662 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: know if you'll you'll have ever heard of it? Have 663 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: you ever heard of a gut? The club pro has 664 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: the course record, and now some guy shows up, a 665 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: tour player, and he's he's just going low and like 666 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 1: he can go par par for sixty four and then 667 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: thereby trump the club pro is now having the new 668 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: course record, and he goes bogey or he doesn't hold 669 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: out or does something to make sure that the club 670 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: pro keeps the course record. Have you ever heard of 671 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: that being a tradition? Yes? Yes, So I had the great, 672 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: great privilege of working for a couple of really old 673 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: school pros, guys that you know, a guy named John Miller, 674 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: who who used to say, like, you know, I could 675 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: run this place with a notebook in a shoe box. 676 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: Get this computer out of here, right, we don't need 677 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: facts machines. We'll be all right. And another man named 678 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: Terry Hogan. And so we would hear stories of you know, 679 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: like Terry Hogan would call Cherry Hills Country Club right 680 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: and say like, hey, I'm coming through to play, and 681 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: they would be like Hogan is coming right, and everybody 682 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: would kind of go crazy thinking it was Ben Hogan, 683 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: but it would be Terry Hogan. But yeah, you never 684 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: want you know, because again this was in a different time, right, 685 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: this had to be a pride point. And and one 686 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: thing you'll learn about if you do get in the 687 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: go in the club businesses. If there's five members at 688 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: your club, you have five hundred bosses. So whatever leg 689 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: you have to stand on is is helpful and and 690 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: and being a good players important at a lot of clubs. 691 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: So you don't want to take any shine off someone 692 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: who's who's in your union, so to speak. Um, and 693 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, this is the Professionals Championship, this is the 694 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: Association's championship. It it's it's a rich one. It's also 695 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: given us really unique champions through the years like Sean McKeil, 696 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: as you remember, Allen and Rich Beam and so we 697 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: get we get some kind of unsuspecting champions in this 698 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: in this tournament. And you know, I kind of appreciate 699 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: that about it. But um, you know, for me, I 700 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: love I love those old school pro stories, Michael, because 701 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, you know, I think Bob 702 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Ford was one of the last to really go from 703 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: one great club in the North for six months and 704 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: then you know, take a couple of weeks and packed 705 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: the station wagon and drive to Florida and then you're 706 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: a prod a great club down there for a couple 707 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: of months. So it's a rich tradition filled with a 708 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: lot of great stories. I love that. Well, I think 709 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good ending spot. You know, 710 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: that's really what this this tournament is a link to 711 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: the past and a different sort of different, more genteel agent. Um. 712 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, we all we all know Bob Ford. He 713 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: was at Oakmon and he was at Seminole, and he's 714 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: just one of the real it's a connective tissue between 715 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: so many different people and so many different stories, and 716 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: this was his week to shine, and like it was 717 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: just fun to see him in this element. And hopefully 718 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: we'll get a little another Cinderella story from amongst the 719 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: club pro ranks. Hopefully we'll get one of the game's 720 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: best players will will do his thing on this amazing 721 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: golf course. So, um boys, thanks for for being part 722 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: of this. Anyone have any parting thoughts before we we 723 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: tip our cap to our corporate sponsors. Thank you guys, 724 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: thanks for having me look forward to a great week 725 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: from you guys. And big shout out to part Points, 726 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: who's been a great supporter of fire Pit Collective from 727 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: the very beginning. As I've said elsewhere, Michael's tired of 728 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: hearing this already, but it is quite a clever little 729 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: scoring app that I would encourage all you die hard 730 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: golf fans to give a shot because it adds a 731 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: different layer to what you're doing out there, and uh, 732 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: it's quite a lot of fun. And they support quality 733 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: journalism and quality podcasting and we're thankful for them. So 734 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: for Michael Bamberger, lasar Sias, Ryan French, I'm Alan chep Night. 735 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: This has been a fire drill podcast. We'll be doing 736 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: them all week long from the PG Championship, So thanks 737 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: for listening. Put another log on the fire nobody here 738 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: is get the Time.