WEBVTT - Dummies Guide to Squirrel Dogs 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.760 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.880 you by go Wild. Now. The go Wild app has 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.800 added some really cool and exciting functionality to their app, 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.480 and the first one I want to talk about is 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.319 the near me function and basically what this does. It 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.800 allows you to engage and connect with people in your area. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.000 You guys can talk about gear you guys can talk 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.720 about hunting areas, you guys can talk about what's going 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.840 on in the woods, and it just allows the users 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.839 to be more of a community and connect easier. The 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.440 second part is the gearbox and what the gearboxes. It 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:43.080 is a an opportunity for the users to not only 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.360 see reviews on products and see what the go wild 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.560 community is using in the field, what products they're using, 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.000 but it also allows you guys to purchase up to 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.800 a hundred and fifty thousand products. There's there's a shopping 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.240 action on it. So check out the go Wild app. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.800 If you haven't downloaded it to your phone yet, you 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.960 need to and you can do that at any app 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:14.280 store that is currently available. Go Wild It's an awesome app. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:21.080 Check them out. My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.000 host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.480 your host into the world of hunting the icon of 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.839 the North American wilderness, the bear. We'll talk about tactics, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.319 gear conservation, but will also bring you into some of 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:46.640 the wildest country on the planet chasing bears. If you've 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.680 grown up around squirrel dogs your whole life, you're probably 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.920 gonna learn a few things on this podcast. But really 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.040 what we're trying to do is open up the squirrel 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.360 dog world two people who have not had an entry 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:08.960 point into squirrel hunting. Sometimes sometimes the first step into 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.880 getting into something is the hardest one and so and 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.919 you need just somebody to break it down. So that's 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:16.919 what we tried to do inside of this to talk 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.280 about the different breeds of squirrel dogs, how they hunt, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.480 and then the different registries of squirrel dogs. And that's 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.000 important because the registry has given indication of where you 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.040 would get these and you need to understand a little 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.600 bit about if you go to a breeder and he 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.960 says these dogs are registered with such and such registry, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.639 you have a kind of a framework for what that means. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.880 My buddy Michael and there summed it up pretty well. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.679 At the end of this podcast and he said this. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.200 He said, basically, there are fists and there are curves, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.680 and inside of the fist and the curves, there are 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.400 multiple types of fice and multiple types of curves. But 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.280 square rol hunting is a very fun and engaging way 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.320 to acquire wild protein into hunt our public lands or 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:15.280 private lands. And it's an opportunity event in most most states, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.640 like in Arkansas, we have almost a nine month season. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.919 So this is gonna take you from zero to informed 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.839 when it comes to squirrel hunting. And the other thing 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.160 that's awesome about squirrel hunting is you get to have 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.920 a dog. And I think a lot of families, a 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.640 lot of people people love dogs, and so why not 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.640 have a utilitarian dog that a dog that serves as 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:44.360 a companion as a pet, but also is doing something 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:49.880 useful for you. I think that's just smart. Okay Um. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.560 We also talk about some mules and just have a 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.640 fun conversation. You're gonna enjoy this podcast with Michael Lanier, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:07.600 Trade Autry and Jason Lyles h. Well, you know what 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:13.800 a big a good size Ozark Mountain, Northwest Arkansas coon weighs. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.200 Jason will know, so you guess last because Okay, I've 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.680 hunted for pretty hard for the last five years. And 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.760 the biggest coon that I have ever killed, by far, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:38.280 I weighed what do you think it weighed thirty five pounds. Okay, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.760 it weighed eighteen and a half pounds. And I'm telling 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.320 you it's the biggest coon we've killed in five years. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.800 And we've killed a lot of coons. They're they're not 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.440 as big as you think. Now. The coon's in in 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:56.200 probably the Midwest. But and I would have swore that 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.520 this one would have weighed twenty pounds when we killed. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.480 I mean, it was just it was huge, eighteen and 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.919 a half pounds on a certified scale. I went to 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.000 my neighbor's. He's got a certified scale over here anyway. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.000 So I'm saying that to say, if if Susie weighs 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.160 seventeen pounds, she may have got ahold of a something 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.920 that's bigger than her. Well, she'll jump on the cone. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.279 I've seen her do it before. Yeah, we were squirrel 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.680 hunting one day. Look up and uh as a fir 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.919 ball rolling down the hill and she had a comb 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:31.039 by the throat, and uh, anyway, should kill that one. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:38.360 Nasty little guys. Oh, she ain't got good chance. She thinks, well, hey, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.839 I've got uh. So we're at the Global Headquarters, and 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.560 I've got to my right Trey Autry originally from Mississippi, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.120 but now it's transplanted in northwest Arkansas. And I got 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:55.400 Michael Lanier sitting here. Michael's a native ur kans And 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.440 and Jason Lyles. Jason, your family has been here for forever. Yeah, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:05.000 sin seek, that's forever long enough, long enough, Um, but 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.640 we're gonna talk about squirrel hunting. And you three guys 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:15.400 are you guys? Are all of you in different ways 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:21.560 of helped me big time getting into the squirrel dog world. Um, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.680 Jason is the one that hooked me up with Tests 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.240 and Timber. So the two dogs I've got right now 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.240 come from some of Jason's lines. And then Michael and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:36.080 Trey are my squirrel dog mentors. Treys actually like my 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.280 He's like if I were Luke Skywalker, he would be 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:46.840 like Yoda. Okay, we need to start calling him to 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.160 squirrel hunting Yoda. But then Michael and here is like 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.320 obi wan Kenobi Okay, I don't I didn't watch Star 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.120 Wars and stuff as a kid, so don't get me 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.240 wrong to think that I'm like a star Wars nerd, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.320 because I'm not. But I think that the metaphors flow 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:12.160 strong enough. So were, well, Hey, this is what we're 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.800 gonna do on this podcast is uh, I need to 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:20.120 get a mule update from Trey and Michael. Uh, we'll 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.000 do that first, but we're gonna talk about squirrel the 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.880 world of squirrel dogs, which is a complicated world. And 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.920 there's a lot of different squirrel dog registries, a lot 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.640 of different types of squirrel dogs, and so what we 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.240 want to do. What I want to do is take 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.720 people from zero two informed about the squirrel dog world 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.840 because I get people that asked me pretty often about 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.440 these dogs that I've got, what kind of dogs they are? Um, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.400 even how do you train them? We might get into 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.680 that just a little bit, but um so that's where 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.000 we're going. So I want somebody to be able to 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.680 listen to this and have a really good feel for 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.080 for for for the squirrel dog world. Um, but trade 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.440 mule world. What tell me you're so you guys we 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.440 squirrel hunt off mules. Uh. Michael and Trey were the 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:21.960 stars of hundred Dollars Squirrel, the YouTube viral sensation coming 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.240 out of Bear Honey magazine. Trey was the one who 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.120 wore pink glasses, um his wife's pink glasses. He's world 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.000 famous for that. Now, Tred, what what meals have you got? 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.520 You told me something happened. You've got a mule for 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.959 sale now, yeah, Well, I'm not quite sure if it's 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.520 us for sale or not, but it could be. It 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:49.760 depends on what happened for sale for sale. I've got 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.280 two really good ones I got from a fellow down 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.559 the road named Danny Mind. He's like the mule guru 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.760 kind of guy, see like Yoda or Obi Wan Kenobi Man. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:08.240 He may be top five, He's he's really good though. Uh, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.360 but I had a seven year oal at the house 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.320 two weeks ago and put him on smoking. He hadn't 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.480 never been on anything before and was just fine. And 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.920 you know, smoky, he's been on a hunt with you before. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.880 But but I did something kind of crazy though to 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.840 day this whole boy alfair at the store at the 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.319 Frederick's one stop over in Prague Grove. He had been 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.320 trying to get me to buy this mule for about 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.760 all six eight months and I had told him all 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:39.120 back around Christmas I said, Don, if you arrived that 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.800 mw from your house to the one stop I'll give 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.800 you five hundred dollars far he wanted like eight hundred. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.920 He wouldn't do it. Well, the other day I went 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.079 in there and he hit me up about that mule 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.400 again and why it was is the mule broke, That's 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.000 what he said. Yeah, so you were how far as 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.440 lived from one stop? All a mile or so, it 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.800 wouldn't have been too bad. You were like, it was 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.120 this like a test. You were like, if that because 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.800 I didn't trust Don with uh with with the deal. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.520 So I was gonna help Don, but I didn't want 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.360 to hurt me help and done by getting killed on 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:25.080 that view. So yeah, long story short, hold on. Uh 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.520 turns around and says, all you want that new I said, yeah, 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.560 but I ain't gonna give you that fart, you know, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.760 unless you write it up here. And uh he said, well, 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.320 I don't know if I'm gonna do that. And I said, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:36.880 all right, I'll give you three hundred dollars and I 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.480 ain't seen it mm hmm, And uh he said, okay, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.920 so you didn't even see a picture of it. No, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.080 I mean you're gonna get hurt for three hundred dollars. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.400 Somebody about it back? Okay, okay, maybe so me and 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.080 Lania go over and catch at new and had our 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.240 reservations about you know, who was gonna ride it. Bubba 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.200 didn't want to get on it. Lanier didn't want to 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.240 get on it. Here's a cowboy, he's cowboy now, he's 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.760 a real guy. Yeah, so I didn't. I wasn't so 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.760 sure I wanted to get on it. So Lineary went 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.600 on home and I tied him up over there, and uh, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.000 I got the clippers out, and I said, let's see 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.920 what he does when I tried to clip his old hair. Here, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.280 old joke. I just stood there. Okay, what what color 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.360 is this mual? It's a red mual, very big. No, 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.160 it's back about the size of Willie. Okay, you know 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.000 how tall is that mule in there? Hands mane. He's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:45.199 not quite fourteen. He's thinner and Willie too, so perfect 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.319 size to hunt off of. Uh, you ain't got a 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.640 too many limbs. So anyway, that joker, UH stood there, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.559 said I think I'm ALRIGHTY put a saddle on him. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:05.720 He stood there, wrote him off perfect and I'm thinking, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:10.520 boy didn't you do good three dollars. I wrote it off. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.200 You know, I'm a cowboy now, all right. So the 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.760 next day I sadly him up and we go up 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.160 the hill and we got in some woods, and I 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.440 had changed bits on him because you know, I was 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.280 trying to figure it out, and that joker readed up 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.800 twice bunny hot, and he is trying to he is 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.960 trying to hurt me. And Uh, I hung with him, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.400 got him all back down to the house, and uh 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.000 gonna take him over to Devil's Den this afternoon, get 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.120 him on a hill that's pretty much ninety degrees and 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.679 see if he's gonna make the travel squad. And we're 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.000 gonna have to sell him one of the two. Yeah. Hey, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.360 if there's one thing about Trey archery, he's not afraid 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.959 of a mule. Now, He's really not. I probably ought 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.840 to be. You probably shouldn't, right, but I mean, heck, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.200 the ground ain't that fall didn't dn't one of the 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.640 ones you've got right now? Throw you off one time 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.600 and you just yeah, I got I rode Willie home 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.480 one Sunday afternoon from Danny's and the next day I 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.640 got on him and he threw me off and I 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.200 went head overhead, you know, head over heels, right down 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.559 on that old, that old white gravel man. That hurt, Yeah, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.440 did uh? But I got right back on him. And man, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.960 I wouldn't give a skin monkey for that meal right now? 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.320 Could you can shoot a shot going off of him? Good? 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.640 It's a good pair of white mules, matching mules. And 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.800 you know what I always say to your street cred 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.800 goes way up when you got a pair of matching mules. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.839 Oh they look good coming down the road. Yeah, you 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.200 know they do. Yeah, Well that's exciting. Man, I didn't 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.480 know he had to new it. Man, that meal will 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:03.160 be fine. It just you just gotta you just gotta 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.320 just ride it. Man, it'll be fine. Hey, what you 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:15.600 doing after walk? Well? You know, I don't know. I 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.000 think maybe you should. You should ride it, But man, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.560 you a whole lot younger it. Oh, I ain't no 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.480 question anybody bet to catch a snake like you do. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.480 We'll do anything. Well, do you think these folks know 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:36.680 about your snake catching abilities? Probably not? Probably not really? No, No, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.440 I don't talk about that much. I wouldn't tell nobody either. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.360 I don't think you're crazy. I like you know, I 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.560 used to catch a lot of snakes. I don't anymore though, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 I don't anymore about last year. Doll. Oh you caught one. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.920 Yeah that's right. Yeah, well we were cooing nothing. We 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.000 was right down you had you had River and Barry 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.000 with us, and both them kids about the same time 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.560 time saw the snake in the middle of the road, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.320 and both of them holler and get it? Did he 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.400 get it? Clay stops at news, he jumps off of there. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.520 He grabbed that snake, just like something off Wild Kingdom. Uh. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.040 If any of you guys remember that show, Uh, what's 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.960 old Marty Stafford? Matt is that? Who was Marty Stafford? 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.960 That's good? That was a good all Merlin Perkins. Now, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.480 this just goes back to right before this is this 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:34.280 is right before Disney would come on at six o'clock. Okay, okay, yeah, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.480 this was mutual of omahas Wild king Okay, okay, this 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:44.360 is really a compliment. Yeah, so because yeah, anyway, so 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.120 Clay stops in the middle of the road, reaches down 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.800 there and grabbed that snake and he's milking it, just 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.120 like on Wild Kingdom or some show. You're saying, and 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.560 there's this old boy from New York kneeling down with 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.440 the camera taking pictures. And I'm I don't know which 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.120 one's crazier, Clay for holding a snake or that old 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.880 boy for getting so close. But I certainly kept my distance. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:13.040 But he ain't scared en nothing. So a mule versus 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.800 a a poison of snake. Uh No, my money's gonna 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.400 Clay every time. Well, I tell you, the one thing 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.840 I don't like is a possum. I wouldn't touch a 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:30.960 possum if you paid me. Moving on, moving on, Uh, Michael, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.040 will tell me about your mule mule world. I sold 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.240 r D that I was riding last week. You sold him. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.880 I was kind of want a project. Why did you 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.560 sell him? Because I was doing he was doing good. Yeah, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.880 he's doing good. I couldn't ever break him from being 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.320 buddy sour. Yeah, that's one thing. I just didn't have 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.040 much luck at Uh. So that means when you if 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.200 you've got two animals in a in a field together 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.880 and you take him or take one, he would flip out. Yeah. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.800 He did not ride off on very well. He wouldn't 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.159 even ride off he would It was just it was 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.680 a fight. Yeah, Okay, So I bought a couple of mules, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.359 took one to a guy over north central Arkansas to ride, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.960 and then brought one here for me to ride, and 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:24.040 got on her first time yesterday. Okay, you got that 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.960 Appalusa mule. Yeah, that's the one I've got up here 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.440 in at mule and then the other one you got 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.920 back from a guy who's been riding it. No, she's 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.800 still over there, and I'm actually gonna sell her. Okay, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.920 so you'll have something ready to ride though pretty soon. Right, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.679 we'll see man you better. Yeah, she's pretty nervous. She 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:48.359 ain't been rode much. She has rode sun last fall 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:54.399 and set up till now. Yeah, she's eight eight. App 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.600 Mule means Appalusa, so her mama was an Appealusa horse 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.560 most likely. Yeah, she's pretty. She's pretty. I like her 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:09.560 about thirteen and a half fourteen. Yeah, yeah, n she's 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:15.959 pretty thin. Well cool, Jason, you don't have any muals. No, 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.640 but I've got a mule story. Yeah. Yeah, I bought 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:25.520 a mule one time for two hundred dollars. You just 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:32.960 wait your story. So I decided to want a mule. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.040 This is ten years ago. I go and buy this 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.080 mule two hundred dollars at winslow. I get there, it's 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.120 year old mule sway back is all get out by 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.359 this mule. Jun her bucks get home, saddled up, rides fine, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:54.000 little spooky anything hits his belly spooks pretty easy. So 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:58.000 I didn't like the mule. My friend Grant Williams from 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.520 Forest City, Arkansas, decides he wants to buy my mule 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.440 back for two So he drives all the way from 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:08.480 East Arkansas to buy his mule for squirrel hunting. Well, 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.120 he had never been up here in the os arcs, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.399 and uh he tells me this story about how he 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.280 went up the pig trail and he could read the 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.240 license plate on his trailer because the turns are so sharp. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.080 And so he gets up here, he gets the mule, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.600 heads back home. But then the first week the mule 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.720 had bucked him off in the round brin pen and 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.960 broke his collar bone and left him there and knocked 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:36.679 out for like two hours. Oh my gosh. Yes, So 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.200 so later this was ongoing deal on the There used 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.359 to be this forum called squirrel Haters and he was 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.800 on there, and uh so this story about the mule 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.760 just kept it you know transpiring over the next few months. Well, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.280 they were in Missouri squirrel hunting one day and his 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.080 wife calls and she is freaking out. This mule has 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.480 gotten out and has lost its mind and his attacking 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:06.520 people in the park in town. They haltail home from Missouri, 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.959 get there two hours later and have to chase this 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.800 mule down in the park in town in Forest City, Arkansas, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.960 and it is attacking everybody. It's attacking them, it's rushing them, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.199 and they end up having to hunt it down in 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.639 the woods in the in the state park there, and 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:33.040 people know the mule did not leave the state park, couldn't. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.720 It was just that is a good mule story. Yeah 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.840 it is, oh man, that's something you are laughing at 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.320 each other there. This happened to y'all too recently. Recently, 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:48.200 something like this almost happened Monday. Yeah, this week gone 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:53.680 mommule was tied up in the backyard for oh Ton, 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:58.600 maybe it was Tuesday. Got her on Sunday. Tuesday tied 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.399 her up and she got her leg up over a 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.400 lead rope broker Halter Howes at work. Kids called me, said, 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.560 the mules running loose in the neighborhood you know, in 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:13.000 the backyard. So I called Trey, get him to meet me. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.480 Another feller, come help me, an't we Yeah, we finally 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.159 called her. You got her. Yeah. We cornered her an 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.720 alley on the side of my shop and we're out 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.280 there running around in the field right next to the cemetery. 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:30.280 They're having a funeral. Oh no, yeah, oh no. Good 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.480 news is the mule didn't go over yah. Wow. Man. 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.440 They don't like to be caught when they know they're 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:42.840 free to That is for danger. Wow. Okay, this is good. 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.959 I'm trying to think if I've had anything crazy happened. Uh. 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.000 I mean I took Izzie Montana a few well months ago, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.399 and uh we had a little bit of a rodeo 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.080 getting a bear on her back. But she took it 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.199 and hauled it out. But it wouldn't it wasn't easy. Um, 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.600 that's for another podcast. Good Okay, Now I feel like 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.480 I'm squared away. Uh and now we can talk about 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.080 what we were going to talk about, which is uh 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.840 squirrel dogs. Um. What I've learned is that not every 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.119 state has a spring squirrel season. And part of the 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.880 reason squirrel hunting is on my mind is because We've 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.400 been doing some spring squirrel hunting here in Arkansas. Our 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:26.160 season opens up May and runs all the way through 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.600 the next year to February, so it's only closed for 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.720 like three months, which a lot of a lot of 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.760 states don't have spring squirrel seasons, which from a management perspective, 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.520 you know, I mean, human hunters aren't putting a lot 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.760 of hurt on squirrel numbers. 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What breeds of dogs? Jason, If you 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.280 want to start off, like, what what breeds of dogs? 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.840 Two people used for squalling? There are several different kinds 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.160 of dogs. Um, A lot of people hunt all mixed 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:06.760 up mutt type dogs. But if you're looking for dogs 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.440 that are bread for squirrel hunting, you're always gonna be 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:14.960 looking at like mountain five stream fives, original mountain curves. Um. 0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.920 Some people like, uh, we're gonna break all these down, 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:22.560 so soa say it slower. We got mountain fists, mountain 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.159 I guess you'd call them treeing fists as well. A 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:28.520 lot of people think they're they're different. A lot of 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.760 that blood is pretty similar. Um, original mountain curves, original 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:36.720 mountain cur You've got like us, which are a long 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.760 hair type treating dog common though no not as common, no, no, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:47.040 not as common. Uh, treeing curs treats a mixture like 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.399 hound curve crosses, hound fist crosses, you know, hound bird 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.800 dog crosses, those type of dogs. Um. You know there's 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.320 there's several varieties of curves, and a lot of it's 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:04.280