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Speaker 1: host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be

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Speaker 1: your host into the world of hunting the icon of

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Speaker 1: the North American wilderness, the bear. We'll talk about tactics,

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Speaker 1: gear conservation, but will also bring you into some of

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Speaker 1: the wildest country on the planet chasing bears. If you've

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Speaker 1: grown up around squirrel dogs your whole life, you're probably

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Speaker 1: gonna learn a few things on this podcast. But really

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to do is open up the squirrel

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Speaker 1: dog world two people who have not had an entry

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Speaker 1: and then the different registries of squirrel dogs. And that's

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Speaker 1: My buddy Michael and there summed it up pretty well.

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Speaker 1: At the end of this podcast and he said this.

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Speaker 1: He said, basically, there are fists and there are curves,

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Speaker 1: multiple types of fice and multiple types of curves. But

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Speaker 1: square rol hunting is a very fun and engaging way

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna take you from zero to informed

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Speaker 1: Trade Autry and Jason Lyles h. Well, you know what

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Speaker 1: stay at that tree and bark. And there's a difference there.

422
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: There are hounds that are running hounds. Some of these

423
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: curves are probably not dogs like they use a lot

424
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: of these cur dogs black mouth curves, especially hog dogs.

425
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: So like the tree and instinct that dog is not

426
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: that important. And so sometimes it could be I'm not

427
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna say it's gonna get bread out, but it could

428
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: be a are are are they're baying an animal on

429
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: the ground, So they smell scent up a tree, it

430
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything to them. Um, So I want to

431
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: establish that that a squirrel dog has to be a

432
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: tree dog. They are not always gonna see the squirrel

433
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: run up a tree, So they're a scent dog. They're

434
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: smelling the scent of a squirrel. Now they might see

435
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: it run up a tree, but most time they don't.

436
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: They're smelling the scent of a squirrel. They're finding the

437
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: tree that that squirrel went up, and they're standing there

438
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: and barking until you get there and give the dog

439
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: a command to leave or shoot the squirrel out or whatever.

440
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: Now okay, so what registries though, So there's all these

441
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 1: different curves. Now, okay, let me So these are kind

442
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: of even questions I think I haven't understood. But this

443
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: is the way I worked through it is that like

444
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: the u k C, the United Kennel Club, Like if

445
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about coon hounds, it's all real easy. There

446
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: are only like six breeds of u k C registered coonhounds,

447
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, black and tan, English blue, tick, plothhound walker. Uh, leopard,

448
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: there's a leopard cur. I think. Um, but squirrel dogs

449
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: not so right, Michael, Well, I mean you got the

450
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: what the original mountain cur registrate. Now is that a

451
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: u k C registered dog, original mountain cur? I think

452
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: with u k C and p k C that curs

453
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: are just registered as tree and curs. I believe the

454
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: u k C has a tree and cur Yeah, yeah,

455
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: you can. You can register a mountain cur with u

456
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: k C. Okay, but it will be registered as a

457
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: tree and curve as we understand it. Okay, okay, is

458
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: that right? I believe. So I'm kind of out of

459
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: the cur world. Well described Michael described the the well,

460
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: the feist and cur registrate as you know it, because

461
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: there's different organisms and what I was getting at, it's

462
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: like u k C. It's just like clear cut. There's

463
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: registered dogs and then there's not registered dogs. Um the

464
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: but the but the squirrel dog world it's different because

465
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: there's these little dependent breed registries, independent breed registries. So

466
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: just talk about that a little bit. Well, I think

467
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: you've got the original mountain curve. Then you've got in

468
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: f T A what does that stand for? Or in

469
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: in t F A it's a National Fire Tree and

470
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: cur Association. I think, yeah, okay, it's in f T

471
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: a National fist something association. I forget what the acronym is.

472
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: And then uh, there's Mulin's fast. Now is that a

473
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: breed in its own is a breed of feist? And

474
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: then uh, what else have you got? F A T

475
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: F A N S D YEP, which is dog or

476
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: I think a sport dog? No, I think it's the

477
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: National Squirrel Dog Registry. Okay, yeah, I think you're right. Okay,

478
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: And now what the National Squirrel Dog Registry. They're just

479
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: a they're kind of like u k C and p

480
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: k C. They are basically a competition hunt registry. Um

481
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: and they will register a lot of tree and curve

482
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: crosses like hounds and vice and mountain curve crosses or

483
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: pure mountain curves. It's it's just a an all squirrel

484
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: dog registry. So what qualifies? Can you put a dog

485
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: in that registry that's never been registered before? Yeah, you

486
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: could hunt. You could have a grade walker dog cross

487
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: it to a grade cur dog and register if if

488
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: it's a nice world dog. Is it just so you

489
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: can have an organizations that's keeping records of your breeding, yes,

490
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: or and I believe in National Squirrel Dog Registry it's

491
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: more of a you know, it's a competition hunt registry mostly,

492
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: tell me what do you mean by that? They have

493
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: those They have competition squirrel hunts where it's almost like

494
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: money earnings, like okay, so they're keeping track of the

495
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: point earnings every Yes, So someone would register a dog

496
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: in that because they wanted to competition and be able

497
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: to enter it into those contests, would have to be

498
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: registered with that because see the background that I would

499
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: have with dog registries would be u k C and coonhounds,

500
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: which now this is gonna get complicated now they have

501
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: ex bread Um Cross Bread Hunt Registry. Yeah, so you

502
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: can put dogs in u k C resterdments. But basically,

503
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta have a registered plot bread to

504
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: a registered uk C plot in order to have dogs

505
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: are registered. I mean there's no there's no way to

506
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: get into the registry with a great dog means a

507
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: dog that has no papers and and essentially by papers,

508
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is uh, you know, you can

509
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: get the the genealogy of these dogs back. You you

510
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: can pay U k C A certain you know, you

511
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: can get that when you register a pup if it

512
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: has registered parents, you can get a seven generation pedigree

513
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: or a forty generation pedigree I think. And you can

514
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: go back and you track these dogs. I mean, it's

515
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: a breeding registry. But so the squirrel Okay, so now

516
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: I understand the competition squirrel hunt. The only the reason

517
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: you'd register it is so that you could competition hunt it.

518
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: But it's not necessarily keeping not so much on the

519
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: n s D. I don't believe. And I don't know

520
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: for sure if n s D has to have um

521
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: their dogs hunt tested maybe, I think, because I think

522
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: it's just basically I don't think they're ready. I don't know.

523
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I have to ask my buddy. But I don't think

524
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: they're registering litters of pubs. I think it's it's just

525
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: it's just a competition dogs. Yeah, like yes, and then

526
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: it's got braid standards, so doesn't it It might be

527
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: inches and under right and yeah right, okay, So in

528
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: n s D as National Sporting Dog, Squirrel Dog squorl

529
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Dog Registry, National Squirrel Dog Registry. Okay, n s R.

530
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Just n s D. What's

531
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the descent? National squirrel dog? Squirrel dog? Got it? Are

532
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: you following this? Because we're gonna once we get done

533
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: with all this, we're coming back to trades philosophy for

534
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: paper dogs. Okay, you can, you'll be working that up. Okay,

535
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: um no, no, I'm really trying to understand this. This

536
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: is good. We just gotta work through it because it's

537
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: not clear cut. So n s D has breed breeds

538
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: standards for different dogs. So I could take my little

539
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: dog out here and register it as a feist within

540
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: s D. Because why Michael, Because it's meant the breed standards.

541
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: You think it's under thirty pounds, under thirty pounds and

542
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: under eighteen inches or eighteen inches and unders typical max fiss. Okay,

543
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you know that's a feist. Is a is a descriptor

544
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: of a dog that meets a certain physical characteristic standard

545
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: that a tree and dog that's under thirty inches, I mean,

546
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: under under eighteen inches his shoulder and under thirty pounds.

547
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Is that right? Well, I mean it is. There's more

548
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: to it than that. With Okay, yeah, you know, mom

549
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: and Daddy had to. You couldn't take a wiener dog

550
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: out here that would tree a squirrel and say, I'm

551
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna register this as a feist. No no, see, okay, okay,

552
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: with those registries like that, typically that's what they're wanting.

553
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Is a feist is a tree fight, is gonna be

554
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: thirty pounds eighteen in inches and under. But it's more

555
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: than that. Two guys that actually keep and hunt feist.

556
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: There's bloodlines that are involved with that. If you if

557
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: you have a a half hound half German shorthaired pointer

558
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: and that dog ends up being small, you typically you

559
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: could register it is that a fast But it's not.

560
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: It's not no, not to a real squirrel dog guy.

561
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: It's it's about blood sense. I've just been trying to

562
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: nail down, like the hardcore definition what a fist is,

563
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: because there's so many different and all these fights don't

564
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: look the same. I mean, like you get a walker hound,

565
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: and I mean a tree and walker looks like a

566
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: tree and walker, But a feist maybe he may be

567
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: lemon colored. He maybe brindle and white like my black dogs.

568
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Maybe black, Like there's just so much variation, So I

569
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: mean you could also you could have a cur that's

570
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: under that size as well. I wouldn't call it a fast.

571
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: My dogs is testifict. I would say, yes, yeah, yeah,

572
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: she's mostly fast blood. She will carry mountain curve and

573
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of tree walker bloo ud, but she's

574
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: she is different the coon dog bloodlines, because I mean,

575
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: I've got a dog out here that's a fist, but

576
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: she's got original mountain curR in her and she can

577
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: also be registers a tree and curve. Yeah right, yeah,

578
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: I've got two dogs that are quarter walker, quarterbird dog,

579
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: half fast, and I would call them both the fast.

580
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: So if it's got any fist in it, it could

581
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: be a fast depending on the size. It's like, Okay,

582
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: say those dogs were thirty five forty pounds, some might

583
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: say they're more of a tree and curve even though

584
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: they're half fives blood. You get what you get where

585
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: we're going with this. Yeah yeah, no, it makes it

586
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's just not intuitive trades. This makes sense

587
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: to you. But by blood, those dogs are mostly fast.

588
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay, okay, and that's what I understood.

589
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: But it's just I think we got to say that

590
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: this is definitely different than coonhound registry. Oh yeah, way different.

591
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: Why is it different? Oh, the because coonhounds registries, you know,

592
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: they're very strict on the bloodlines those dogs go back to.

593
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: They're most feast dogs and even cur dogs. They could

594
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: possibly even have some unknown lineage. There's guys that have

595
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: good dogs, they're good proven squirrel dogs, and they want

596
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: to be able to have some sort of registry to

597
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: register these dogs with that they can go and enjoy

598
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: competition hunting, or start keeping track of the lineage if

599
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: they start breeding pups out of that dog to set

600
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: up families, because it doesn't have as long a history.

601
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Because see, like these different lines of coonhounds, a lot

602
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: of them came over from Europe, you know, and so

603
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: they came here for all these years, and so people

604
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: had already in their mind these different breeds of hounds,

605
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: and they like to keep them separate rated. They like

606
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: to keep you know, the blue ticks and the English

607
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and the walker in the black and tan pot. And

608
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: then maybe the squirrel dogs were just like they didn't

609
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: come from Europe. I mean maybe at some point way

610
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: back they did. But I mean these are kind of

611
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: like American bread over there. They do. But I don't

612
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: know that they messed with him much. We were pretty

613
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: hungry people when we first got here, so we'd eat them.

614
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: We still eat them. Um no, no, you'll see where

615
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to understand why it's like that, and

616
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: and uh, because it seems it seems like it would

617
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: be easy enough to be like, Okay, there's fice and

618
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: these are the only ones that are fights. They're curs.

619
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: They're only ones that are curs. But it just seems

620
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: like it's a little bit more flexibility in the squirrel world.

621
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: It's a little bit squirrelly. Do you like that? Trade?

622
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: Trade like that? Oh, he's showing me something here. Okay.

623
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: Treys looked up the Wikipedia definition of a fast fast

624
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 1: is a small hunting dog descended from the terriers brought

625
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: over the United States by English miners. Okay, okay, so

626
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: they did come from over there or according to Wikipedia,

627
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: which we'll see true fact, English miners and working class immigrants.

628
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: These terriers probably included crosses between the smooth fox terrier,

629
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: Manchester terror and now extinct English white terrier. These dogs

630
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: were used as ratters, gambling their prows and killing rats

631
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: his favorite Happily, their owners okay, yeah, you know, all

632
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: these dogs probably came from pretty similar bloodlines. But a

633
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: feist okay, so good if you take a car, I

634
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be as tough on them rats. Uh,

635
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: it's like a face would be. Because Susie's favorite thing

636
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: to do. If the squirrels aren't moving, she'll find something

637
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: under a log or chipmunks, yeah, chipmunks, rats, whatever he

638
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: wants to get tunnel and get. It's kind of has

639
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: a similar smell to it. Yeah. Oh, she's a great

640
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: rat dog. I bet she is. Oh yeah, or moles

641
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: in the yard, She'll dig them up. All them little

642
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: dogs will do that kind of stuff. Yeah, well, I

643
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: think I think, uh, I think it's starting to make

644
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: sense to me. The registry is that these dogs, a

645
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: lot of them were just mixed up dogs. There were

646
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: probably a lot of different regionally specific kind of dogs

647
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: that kind of people of a certain area started breeding.

648
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: Is that right? Like the Mullins fights, Like, where did

649
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: that come from? I mean there's a guy named Mullins, right, Yes, sir,

650
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: tell me about that. I don't know much about him.

651
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean I know he he buried some good dogs

652
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: and Jody Mullins started it. So that's something that's new,

653
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: that's not that didn't happen in the eighteen hundreds. That happened.

654
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still lies. Yeah, he he's got the

655
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: whole breed of dogs named after him. So you you

656
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: mean to tell me if me and Trey really start

657
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: breeding our dogs, good, we could have the autry nukem feist. Sure,

658
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: all right? All right, well no, no, okay, see that

659
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: makes sense too, because they're not making any new coonhound breeds,

660
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, it's not like

661
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: but I like that about the squirrel world. It's kind

662
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: of kind of flexible. I want to stop this right

663
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: here and make a correction. And jokingly I said, hey,

664
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: me and Trey could start our own breed of dogs. Really,

665
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: what we should have said was that if Trey and

666
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: I started breeding dogs, potentially we could start our own

667
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: line of dogs or strain of dogs. So we would

668
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: have fights. We wouldn't be creating a new breed. But

669
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, an individual could over time, over generations, if

670
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: he had some and really unique that he was breeding in,

671
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: he could create his own strain of dogs. I just

672
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: wanted to clarify that, so we weren't trying to say

673
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: that a new breed of squirrel dog could be developed,

674
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, there, it's based off bloodlines basically. You

675
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: know you've got with mountain curves are the same as fists.

676
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: As far as the way they started out, they were

677
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: used to curve. The definition of cur was mixed up.

678
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: But you know, like homestead type dog, Well, they're actually

679
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: bred into a breed registry now a lot of mark

680
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: now they have their own breed O m c b A. Yeah,

681
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: started in nineteen fifty seven when it actually started coming around.

682
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: So they just have their whole own and all the

683
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: dogs within that registry are supposed to lineagely go back

684
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: to the first However, many dogs that were originally registered

685
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: in that registry. But there's other you know, there's other

686
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 1: bloodlines of reginal mountain curves that aren't in that registry,

687
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: more like Camera Stock mountain curves. Those dogs were O

688
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: m c b A registered dogs at one time, but

689
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: Robert Camera, developer that particular strain of dogs, branched away

690
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: from the O m c b A and bred his

691
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: dogs specifically to his standards, and so now they're separate,

692
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: and there's some some of those dogs are still they're

693
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: not as common or dual registered camera stock and O

694
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: M C B A so which those are not as

695
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: common anymore. But it's it's you know with mostly with

696
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: the face dogs you get. Most of those dogs are

697
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: going to be in k C registered, which are National

698
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Kennel Club Registry. And there's also a t f A.

699
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: A t f A does not registered letters of pups.

700
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: They're more of a competition hunt organization and they are

701
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: hunt test organization where you have to your dog has

702
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: a member has to come sign off that your dog

703
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: will and tree game and game be seen. Okay, okay um.

704
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: There's also a Steven's Cur Steven's Cur as well, and

705
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: they're mostly a black and white hunt. Some Steven's Curse. No.

706
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: I had to I try it out and uh, the

707
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: guy got them from told me that one of them

708
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: was registered, one was not because it wasn't old enough

709
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: to be registered. I think they have to hit a

710
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: year old before you can registrate and it's got to

711
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: meet their breed standards. Ye, and they branched away from

712
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: you if okay, let's bring it back down to like

713
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: a functional level. I want to talk about the what

714
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: the different dogs do because they're like the only reason

715
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: you'd have a different kind of dog is because that

716
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: dog had some characteristic that you like. So every every dog,

717
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: every all these are gonna be a little bit different.

718
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Um So, like, uh, let's start off with the original

719
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: mountain curves. What are they known? You don't have to

720
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: go into great detail, but like what how do they

721
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: hunt and what are they known for? You know there there,

722
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: they got a lot of work ethic there. They're a

723
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: running type dog, head in the air mostly, a little

724
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: bit bigger dog, a little bit bigger dog. You know.

725
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: Some mountain curves are gonna be small, like Michael was

726
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: saying earlier, though especially like real heavy streak bread dogs.

727
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna they may be twenty five pounds, but some

728
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: of them might be sixty pounds. You know, mountain curves

729
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: very inside. You could mistake a mountain curve for a hound.

730
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: You except for a lot of times they'll bob their tail, yes,

731
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: or they come natural bobtail as well? Do they really? Hell? Yeah,

732
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: yeah do they? Yeah? Absolutely both five sand curves will

733
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: come naturally naturally A lot of the different depending on

734
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the black mountain cur is usually gonna be usually a

735
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: brindle dog. No, there's lots of yellow, lots of yellow

736
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: colored dogs. Yeah, bred brindle, black and white, but never

737
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, some of them to in on the bloodline.

738
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: You'll get some open spot dogs once in a while,

739
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: depending on the bloodline. But those dogs can't be registered

740
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: like white with colored like almost like a pointer or

741
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: a hound, you know, like a walker hound. We don't

742
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: like that. They can't be registered, not with omcb A.

743
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: They have to meet the breed standard. No open white

744
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: spots pass the shoulder back if they have too much

745
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: white up on their flanks, can't register them. Um. Certain

746
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: bloodlines throw that more than others. You know, that white's

747
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: a recessive so original mountain curve. Somebody would look at

748
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: it and almost think it was a hound a little

749
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: bit shorter, ears a lot of variation in color, usually

750
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: a bobtail, either cut or natural. And they're they're going

751
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: to usually not bark on the track at all, mostly silent.

752
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: Some dogs are open. My dogs open on coon, and

753
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: that means when he smells sent on the ground of

754
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: the animal he's trailing, he'll he will bark, yes on

755
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: that those to a silent A dog that's silent on

756
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: track would trail, a trail game without barking, and then

757
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: when that game is treated, he would fall. And that's

758
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. A lot of the

759
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs are like that, majority or bread for silent

760
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: trailing usually, yeah, and so original mountain curs are used

761
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: for coon hunting. Squirrel hunting primarily ply is would you say,

762
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: more squirrel than coon? Yes, yea more squirrel and coon,

763
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: but quite a few guys cood. There's a lot of

764
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: combo good combo dogs out there nowadays, but they're they're

765
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: kind of an all purpose dog. But yes, as far

766
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: as most original mountain curs will make better squirrel dogs

767
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: than a coon dog versus a hound. You know. Yeah,

768
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: do they hog hunting much rigon mountain curs? Yeah, they

769
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: will as well, Um, most of the guy most of

770
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: the dogs that are getting hog hunted, I would say,

771
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: are probably the dogs that didn't pan out as well

772
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: as as a squirrel dog so much treeing instinct or something.

773
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, very great dogs. Michael, what what what

774
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: breed would you like to describe? Oh? Fast, tell me,

775
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: just tell me everything I need to know about the

776
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: way of fast hunts and why I would want one. Well,

777
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I tried curves for a while and just

778
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: didn't click for me for whatever reason. Then I started

779
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: trying some fist and one thing I noticed different. There

780
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: a little hotter nose my hunt a little closer, uh,

781
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: a little bit easier to or a little bit uh

782
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: more apt to want to please be your buddy the

783
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: ones I've had. But I also kind of changed up

784
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: how I raised them when I started getting the fist,

785
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: started bringing them in the house more, let him right

786
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: in the front of the truck. You know. Uh, some

787
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of them, they won't have a very good bark. Some

788
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: of them will kind of have a yippie bart, you know,

789
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: high pitched, versus the most of the curves have a

790
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: real real good bark, good mouth on him, And you

791
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: want that just so you can hear him, right, And

792
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I just I like the sound of it too. Yeah, yeah,

793
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: and they uh And what you mean by hotter nose

794
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: is that like like they're gonna pretty much only show

795
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: and bark on game that was there pretty quickly. I

796
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: mean that the they're not gonna bark on a two

797
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: hour old squirrel. I mean they might, but that just

798
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: as an example versus a squirrel that was standing there

799
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: two minutes ago. Correct, Yeah, and most of most of

800
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: the ones I've had here lately. Uh, they're not a

801
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: belly up on the tree, you know, they're not right

802
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: up against the tree tree and they're kind of back off.

803
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: They're really looking for the squirrel. They're wanting to timber it.

804
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: You know, if it fit timbers out lays the tree,

805
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna like that. Oh absolutely. Um. So a feist

806
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: is he's using his nose, but he's also using his

807
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: eyes and ears. Absolutely, yes, I mean that's what they're

808
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: known for, right, Yeah, that would uh original Mountain Kirby

809
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: like that. Less a little less um there are there

810
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: are bloodlines of dogs that are more of a hard

811
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: tree dog and some that aren't. Um, they will timber

812
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: and watch first squirrel as well too, but a lot

813
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of those bloodlines that are just

814
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: real hard on feet on the wood type tree dog,

815
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, both breeds there, they know what

816
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: they're doing. Then they're bred to hunt and find a squirrel,

817
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: see it, timber out, timber and if it goes. But

818
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: fists are very sight oriented, and I mean they're hot

819
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: nose dogs. Like Michael saying, Um, you know. That's the

820
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: unique thing about tree and a squirrel is that he's

821
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: probably not gonna stay in that tree. Everywhere. Yeah, they

822
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: they they've been all over the woods and they're gonna

823
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: go up a tree and they may be two trees over.

824
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: And that's where you know, coon hunting's just so pole

825
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: and you know the striker track tree. That coon's not

826
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: gonna jump from tree to tree. That's just gonna be

827
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: sitting there and maybe in a hole. We may know

828
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: it will see him. But but a squirrel, man, you

829
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: go up and anything could happen. But especially late season,

830
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: they get real flighty. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Um what other?

831
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: What other? Like a tree incurred like these dogs I've

832
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: got could be Richter's tree and cursed? Would a tree

833
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: incur be known as anything different? A little bit wider hunting,

834
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: A little bit louder, you said than a feist, Michael,

835
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: because I mean usually because they're just a little bit

836
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: bigger dog. I don't know if it's because they're bigger,

837
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, trace dog. He's susy. She'll go for a

838
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: mile if you let her. You know, she doesn't. But

839
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: I'd say he's just what's been bred into him. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,

840
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: she's a fast though she's as a fast. Try what's

841
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: your favorite kind of dog to hunts? Is that what

842
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: you've hunted most of the scuore dogs you've had. Yeah,

843
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: And it's as much about either you get a good

844
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: one or you don't. You know pretty quick, you know,

845
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: I like one that just hunts hard, has a big

846
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: old heart, and just gets after. Yeah, you know, kind

847
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: of like that guy that you're stuck in the batter's box.

848
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: When he was six, he could hit. You know, you

849
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. He was able to hit because mom

850
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: and daddy were probably pretty good athletes. Yeah, the same

851
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: thing with a doll. Either you can hit a little

852
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: bit of you can't. Yeah. So yeah, that's that's what

853
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: philosophy and all this paper mumbo jumbo. Man, if I

854
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: lose one of them papers, it ain't no big deal.

855
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I I got papers on all my dogs.

856
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: But if you had to give me them paper present

857
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: five minutes or I want you to kill you. You

858
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: don't have to kill me, because I ain't sure if

859
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: we're all love mar But you know, it's just like

860
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: anything else you do. You want to buy something that's

861
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: pretty good, you don't want to buy, you know, a

862
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: beater so to speak. If you're gonna buy a car,

863
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: you want to buy one do you think will be

864
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: pretty dependable? So you know, you can drive a Boatswagon

865
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: or Cadillac. Both of them are gonna get you there.

866
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: But how much more fun you're gonna have driving that Cadillac?

867
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, So the biggest thing I look for is

868
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: just driving hard? Yeah, driving hard? Um. Why do you

869
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: like squirrel hunting so much? Traight? What's what is fun

870
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: of it? Because most people haven't squirrel hunt with dogs.

871
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's kind of a it's almost like

872
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: it's almost like a social event. You ain't gotta be

873
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: quiet when you through them. With squirrels. You can take

874
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: you can take kids and take holler and yell, scream,

875
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: have a good time. You know, the noise ain't gonna

876
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: mess up what we're doing because we're making noise when

877
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: we're coming through the wood. Yeah right, yeah, so yeah,

878
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: that's why I like it. You ain't gotta be quiet.

879
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can freeze deaf deer hunting. That's the

880
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: only reason you like s grownds because you don't have

881
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: to be quiet. Well, that and I like watching that dog.

882
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: I like. I like watching that dollar. I'm pulling more

883
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: out of him here. Yeah, but I do like that

884
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: dog trying to figure it out and do all that,

885
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, And and it gets pretty exciting when the

886
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: squirrel takes off through their timber and everybody's shooting at it.

887
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: Oh you bet, you know, it's chaos. The more time

888
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: just hoose, the more fun it is to me. You know,

889
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: if you just drove up and shot one every time

890
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger, that wouldn't be any fun. Yeah,

891
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, I just like I just like the action.

892
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: You're always moving, you know, you can sitt in that

893
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: deer standing frese to death. Man, I didn't said that twice.

894
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: You've got to have a heater to do that. But

895
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: if you're walking or ride in the mule, you're getting

896
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: a little exercise. Yeah. And the only reason to have them,

897
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: you was because there's too many heels around here. You know,

898
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: if it was flat ground, we could probably still walk

899
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: into it. That'd be like a golfer playing golf without

900
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: a car, you know. Around here. Well, it's a lot

901
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: of fun, you know. Just in the last few years

902
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: I've I've gotten in the squirrel hunting with dogs, now

903
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, we grew up still hunting for squirrels, but

904
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: as a as a mature outdoorsman and woodsman, I was

905
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: like kind of shocked at how your heart skips a

906
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: beat when those dogs are treated and you walk up

907
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: there and that squirrel breaks. I mean, you know, in

908
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: the outdoor world, you you it's like you gain enough

909
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: proficiency that sometimes stuff doesn't. Maybe you don't get as

910
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: excited as you did when you when you were young,

911
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: but man, when that's world breaks loose and everybody's shooting,

912
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: I might as well be eight that it is fun

913
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: and and and then you're frustrated at the same time

914
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: because you're missing, and you're you're you're frustrated at your

915
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: son because you're like, why aren't you shooting there? You

916
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, you just you just it just goes into

917
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: just total chaos for just like thirty forty seconds, and

918
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: then it comes back to normal and you're like, oh

919
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm I'm a grown man, and uh, you know,

920
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't need to get this excited about this. It's

921
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Hey, Michael Lanier is a squirrel killer.

922
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: He doesn't mess around, No, he doesn't, and he's serious

923
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: about it he is every time. He likes to bring

924
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: him home. What do you like about squirrel hunting, Michael,

925
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: I like missing with the dogs a lot. I like

926
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: missing with the young dogs. Yeah. Uh. I like to

927
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: always have an old dog around that old tree, you

928
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: know that way when you get frustrated with the young ones. Yeah,

929
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you can take the old one out. But it's just

930
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I mean we can hunt from

931
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: May till the end of February. Yeah. Well, you said

932
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: something about your mule that reinforced what I already knew

933
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: about you. You like a project. Oh, I like to

934
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: have something to do. I mean he had a perfectly

935
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: good meal that he had basically tuned up and you

936
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: could shoot off of it, and I mean it was

937
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: it had become a nice mule, really, and he just

938
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: got rid of it because he wanted a project. He

939
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: does the same thing with his dog dogs too. I

940
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: mean he give me a dog a few months ago,

941
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: remember Jess. Oh yeah, And and Jess, he's as good

942
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: a squirrel dog as you go. Ever. Fine, but it

943
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: was doing too good for Michael exactly. He had to

944
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: find him one that well, and he's and tweet and

945
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: get him doing it. And hey, crap. Once that dog

946
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: does it and does it good, are you gonna find

947
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: him another one? Yeah? Every time you're a trainer, hey

948
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: and Joyce, he he, I think he has more for

949
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: and training it. And then a few weeks ago we

950
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: was riding down Cove Creek and he had a mule

951
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: um tied to the back of that little ot Suzuki

952
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: side by side. They ain't got no doors on it, yea,

953
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: And off we went down the road training that mule.

954
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: Don't you know. People thought we was crazy. Now what

955
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: are you trying to do? I teach it to lead,

956
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: make it across the bridge. Yeah, just kind of desensitize it. Yeah,

957
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: training training is fun. It is well, watching him training

958
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: him is fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We gotta get Jason

959
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: a really good mule for next year. He's been trying to.

960
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: He's got a great place to keep one. He just yeah,

961
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what, Jason. What do you like about

962
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Scrown Man? I like a little bit of everything about it.

963
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: I like the dog work, like the history of the

964
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: bloodlines of those dogs. Um, just the calmaraderie. Going out

965
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: on a frosty morning leaves her on falling in uh

966
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: in November and just hear in dog fall Tree. It's

967
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: I love it when we're walking in the woods just

968
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: talking and then you hear that dog bark. That's my

969
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: favorite thing. Yeah, I like to know that man when

970
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: you get there, especially if it's a younger dog. You know,

971
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: it's exciting to get there and see a squirrel there.

972
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: Shoot that squirrel out. Man. For somebody that doesn't have

973
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, let me go back the old, the old phrase,

974
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a dog in the hunt, or he

975
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: does have a dog in the hunt. You know, it's

976
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: a metaphor for someone that's got a vested interest in something.

977
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: You know, they say, I mean that that That metaphor

978
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: goes through all cultures in in North America anyway. I

979
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: bet people in the city say that and they don't

980
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: even know what they're talking about. Point being, when you

981
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: have a dog in the hunt, it transforms the hunt

982
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: and in and in it. And so someone like like

983
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: is like considering getting a dog, or someone's considering getting

984
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: into squirrel hunting. You don't even know how much fun

985
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: it is until you get it. All you could come

986
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting with somebody, you know, Trey took me squirrel

987
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: hunting years ago and we had a great time. But

988
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: at the time, I just I wasn't ready. I wasn't

989
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: in the position to get a dog. And you know,

990
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: we had a good time, but it wasn't until I

991
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: got a dog that that you really understand. And I

992
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: knew that would happen because I had coon hunted enough,

993
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I knew if I ever got a dog,

994
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: i'd love this. But you know, I just wasn't ready

995
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: to make the commitment. But point being, you know, I mean,

996
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: I hope people listen to this conversation could find an

997
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: entry point into the squirrel dog world. And if you did,

998
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: you would you would enjoy it. And what I think

999
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: is happening to is that people are looking for entry

1000
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: points into the outdoor world, and sometimes big game hunting

1001
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: intimidates people new people. Big game hunting can be intimidating

1002
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: because of you know, it's a it's a low opportunity game.

1003
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you you're gonna hunt for a whole season

1004
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: to hope to get maybe one opportunity at a deer

1005
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: or at a bear. Um Man, squirrel hunting is an

1006
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: opportunity game. I mean, we're gonna go squirrel hunting. And

1007
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: it's not a question of whether we're gonna kill squirrels.

1008
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: That's how many, you know. I mean most of the time.

1009
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: We get skunked every now and then in a tough

1010
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: part of the year. But but so and you don't

1011
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: have a two hundred pound animal land on the ground

1012
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: that you've got to butcher and take care of the meat.

1013
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: And you know you're you've got a one pound animal.

1014
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's a little bit less commitment. Um. The

1015
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: other thing that's cool out squirrel hunting is, especially with

1016
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: the dog, is these dogs become part of your family,

1017
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: you know. Um, most people have dogs anyway, and I

1018
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: have long been a utilitarian dog man. I mean, like,

1019
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: we don't have pets around here. I mean, if there's

1020
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a dog around here, he is going to

1021
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: be contributing to the protein surplus of this family. But

1022
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: they there are pets too, I mean people that have

1023
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: like just a dog. I don't know, you guys probably

1024
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: have dogs so present company. Except you know what I'm saying,

1025
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: I want a dog. But my point is that these

1026
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: hunting dogs fill the pet slot. Okay, that's what I'm

1027
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: trying to say. So I'm trying to. I'm trying to

1028
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: widen see because there's all these guys that are listening

1029
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: to this podcast right now that are trying to figure

1030
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: out how they're gonna talk their wife into getting up

1031
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs. That's exactly right, that's really you. What this

1032
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: podcast needs to be about is how do you build

1033
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: It's all about building the narrative and the family culture

1034
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: in order to make a gateway for a squirrel dog.

1035
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: And when my family five six years ago wanted we

1036
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: decided it was finally time for us to get another dog.

1037
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: We had dogs, We've had a lot of dogs, but

1038
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: there was a period where we didn't the period. The

1039
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: time came when the kids were old enough, we had

1040
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: the place it was like, we need dogs. Misty was like,

1041
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: let's get a boxer and I was like that, I

1042
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: like the idea of the dog. How about we get

1043
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: a plot? And that's how that started. And anyway, now

1044
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: that we're deep into it, the best decision we ever made.

1045
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any tips? Tray what is what

1046
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: are your tips for talking your wife and the letting

1047
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: you get a squirrel dog? Don't tell her about it,

1048
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: just show up with it, because good advice. I mean

1049
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: you can't because I'm at the point right now. Good

1050
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: news is my wife will never listen to this. But

1051
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting the dog next week and she has no

1052
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: ideas coming. I'm gonna tell her. So just like that,

1053
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: just like that dog at car I took off and

1054
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: drove four hundred miles to get. Yeah, it just showed up.

1055
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: It just showed up. Well, hey, you're in a little

1056
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: bit different classification because you're you're you've already got dogs.

1057
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Once you get one dog, then it's much easier to

1058
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: get multiple dogs. Yeah. Let that. Let that. Let your

1059
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: wife feed that dog one time and pet it, and it,

1060
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: you know dog, you know, licks her in the face

1061
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 1: a couple of times. It's over. Yeah, then the doors open. Yeah,

1062
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: she's sold on it in Yeah, but it's between the

1063
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: time you got four or five that you're thinking to

1064
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: go get another one. You don't say a word. Okay,

1065
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: you just bring it home. Hey, in our family, I've

1066
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: taken my family out to East Tennessee to Roy Clark's place,

1067
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: and we've been to a couple of other big bear

1068
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: hunters places, and buddy bear hunters have dogs. Okay, I

1069
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: think Mr Roy Clark told me last time I was there,

1070
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: I think you had twenty seven dogs. And uh so

1071
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: my family, you know, we we think a lot of

1072
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: Roy Clark and uh so, like my family thinks that

1073
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: the number of dogs you have is a status symbol.

1074
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: See you with me, more dogs you have kind of

1075
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: like the higher up on the totem pole of society

1076
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: you are because Roy Clark's got a lot of dogs.

1077
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: So now I think I've got five dogs. And the

1078
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: kids are like, yeah, you're getting there, daddy. We probably

1079
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: need some more Michael tip tip for how to bring

1080
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: home a squirrel dog us all these dogs and she

1081
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: is an animal hiter. Uh who's telling the truth here? Okay,

1082
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: so she doesn't like the dogs. She likes me to

1083
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: have squirrel dollars, but she does not like animals in general.

1084
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: My tip would be, do not let your kids tell

1085
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: your wife how much the dog cost. Okay, Okay, yeah,

1086
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: you don't want to lie about it. But we don't

1087
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: even talk about it either. Okay. I like that. I'd

1088
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: never condoned Lyne ever, especially inside of the family. But

1089
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: I like what you said there. We just don't have

1090
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Good when you slip one time

1091
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: told Katie what this dog cost Michael. I've told William

1092
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: decide and I said, you like squirrel hing, best keep

1093
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: your mouth shut about it, okay, okay, good? And and

1094
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: your dogs. I mean you're you're taking full responsibility for

1095
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: these dogs. It's not like you know your wife's having

1096
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: Uh they're not like living in your house all the time.

1097
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll bring them the puppies in some let

1098
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: them round in the truck with us. But no, they're

1099
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: they're outside for the most part. Okay, yeah, but I

1100
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: like to bring them around the you know, let them

1101
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: loosen the yard, spend a lot of time with them.

1102
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: Now when Katie's gone, they might sleep in the bed

1103
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: with me. That'll that'll get them get him attached to you, Okay,

1104
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: all right, Jason tips, I can't contribute to that much because, uh,

1105
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: my dogs were with me before my significant other one

1106
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: because she was deal regardless, you came with dogs, I came.

1107
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: I think there's a strategy here though, before you know,

1108
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: you get hitched. Yeah you have dogs, Kime squirrel hunter

1109
01:08:53,479 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: before you even tie yourself down, Yes on to something

1110
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's pretty good idea. But my old

1111
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: lady likes to go squirrel hunting with me. That's good,

1112
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: that's good. You know. Yeah, I'm kind of I like

1113
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: to play the long game in this in this wheelhouse.

1114
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I married my wife when she was young.

1115
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: We've been married for we'll be married twenty years this November.

1116
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: And uh so she was young when we first started dating.

1117
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: I've been I've been I've been developing family culture, as

1118
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: we say, for a long time. So hunting dogs is

1119
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: just like valuable to her, which they wouldn't have been

1120
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: in her family. She wouldn't have known much about him,

1121
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, but I think to her, she just thinks

1122
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: like every normal family has like a bunch of hunting dogs.

1123
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: And that's good. So I don't have to talk her

1124
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: into it. Man, you should have been a salesman. Yeah,

1125
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: who you are? That's pretty good deal there, bo the

1126
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: long game, play the longest play, the long game stuff. Yeah,

1127
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: well that's good. Um, have we missed, you know, the

1128
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: conversation about the squirrel dog breeds and different things. It's

1129
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of kind of complicated. Is there anything that you

1130
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: could say that would um simplify it? I don't know,

1131
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean, like or de have we covered it all? Michael?

1132
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean the thing I would just say is there's

1133
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: fist and there's curves, and then there's a whole bunch

1134
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: of different fist and different curves. That's a good way

1135
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: to say it. I like that, you know, just hunt

1136
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: what you like. Okay, that's a simple way to say it.

1137
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: There's fists and there's curves, and there's a whole bunch

1138
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: of different fights and curves. That helps me. Okay, you

1139
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: know it's good. If I was gonna say anything that

1140
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: would make sense about this deal would be by dog.

1141
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: If you're getting into it by a dog that started. Yeah,

1142
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, because it's a lot of foot traffic, a

1143
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: lot of foot time to get one started, to get

1144
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: one to do something, because you lose interest if you're not.

1145
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: If you don't say one do something, you may lose

1146
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: interest before that dog trees. And a definition of a

1147
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: started dog to me would be one that's had twenty

1148
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: five squirrels shout out to it. Okay, that's just that

1149
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: would be started dog. And you're gonna play a little

1150
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: bit more false. Let's talk about that. What would uh so,

1151
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: where could people find squirrel dogs? I mean, I know

1152
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: the answer to this, but I had somebody a week

1153
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: ago message be and say hey, where could I find

1154
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: a feist? And I was like, well, where could where?

1155
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: Where could people find squirrel dogs? And folks has got

1156
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: them connections with other hunters, other other folks at squirrel

1157
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: hunt because now are most of the the most of

1158
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: the squirrel hunting world is in the eastern deciduous forest

1159
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: in the south. Am I right, the southeast. I mean

1160
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: there's squirrel dogs up in New York State and Michigan

1161
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: and different places. Yeah, I mean there's there's squirrel dogs

1162
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: from about the Midwest on east period, but mostly down

1163
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: in this area, southern Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, East Texas,

1164
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: anywhere with oak, hardwood, timber, hickory ridges, Virginia. Yeah, you're

1165
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna find squirrel dogs all the way up to Michigan, Minnesota.

1166
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: Even somebody if they were looking for squirrel dogs, I'd say,

1167
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: get on Facebook and try to find a squirrel dog

1168
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: forum for their state. Like I think we're We've got

1169
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: Arkansas squirrel and Coon Hunters for Squirrel Hunters Association, And

1170
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: what what you gotta do? And I tell you what

1171
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: I've I've been pretty successful at this is latching myself

1172
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: to people that are good at something, because you don't

1173
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: have to be good starting out if you're latched onto

1174
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: somebody that's good. I mean, like my coon dogs. I

1175
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: went to guys that had the kind of dogs I wanted.

1176
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: I didn't mess around with well, maybe this dog will

1177
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: work or maybe, and I was willing to do whatever

1178
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: it took to start off something good. And I did

1179
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: the same thing with my squirrel dogs. With with what

1180
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: Jason told me about this these dogs, and I've been,

1181
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean super happy. And it's because because the breeding

1182
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: of a dog is gonna be way more important than

1183
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: even the training of it. Would you agree, yeah, you

1184
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: want a good bred dog. That's the first step towards

1185
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: getting into this game with the dogs is that get

1186
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: a well bred dog. And that means it's mom and

1187
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: daddy are both doing what you want a dog to do.

1188
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: I steer. I still hear people talk about brood females like, oh,

1189
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: she'd make a she'd make a nice brood female, which

1190
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: basically that just means basically a female that's maybe not

1191
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: even being hunted. But man, I want a dog that

1192
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: it's mama is a good at whatever, proven proven doing it,

1193
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: and the daddy is proven and doing it and uh.

1194
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: And then once you get your foot into the door,

1195
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: whether it's coon hunting or squirrel hunting, and you go

1196
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: a time or two, you can learn a ton of

1197
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: stuff by going with somebody that knows what they're doing

1198
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: one time. I mean I've learned an I didn't hunt

1199
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: it with Jason, but I've learned a ton from Trey Michael.

1200
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean really, my son Baron nukeom he uh he

1201
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I watched him, Michael when we hunt, and he talks

1202
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: his dogs just like you do. He does he he

1203
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: everything he does. I'm like, he learned that from Michael.

1204
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: An here and I do the same thing because I

1205
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: learned from you guys. And see what I'm saying is

1206
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: is if you can just if you can go with

1207
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: somebody a couple of times, you'll learn a lot. And

1208
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: then once you get a dog, you'll learn what you like.

1209
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: Like you might get lucky in the first dog. Just

1210
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: be exactly what you like, which probably won't happen, could happen,

1211
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: but you'll hunt with you know, you hunt with two

1212
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: or three different people and you'll see a dog and

1213
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: you're like, that's the kind of dog I want and

1214
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: you you you know what bloodlines is that dog? Where

1215
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: did you get it? You just you just kind of

1216
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: start digging in. There's no simple answer. Now, you can't

1217
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: buy started dogs, and there are quite a few started

1218
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: dogs for sale, but um boy, I'd want to know

1219
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: somebody before I buy started dog though, because in my

1220
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: mind it's always like, why are you selling that dog? Well,

1221
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: most of the time only started dog. They'll take your

1222
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: hunt and let you see the dog. Yeah. Uh. And

1223
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: some of these old boys just sell them because they

1224
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: got too many. I guess, like, are they enjoyed doing

1225
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: it and they like to make a little dollar or

1226
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: two to pay for their habit. Yeah, you know, so

1227
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: there's there's legitimate reasons to sell a dog. Oh, if

1228
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: you get a started dog, you a whole lot better

1229
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: than a than a than a mule. You don't know

1230
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: what you're getting, yeah what it started meal? Yeah, I'm

1231
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm you don't have to ride that dog. Know that

1232
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: if you go hunting with a fellow that's gonna say

1233
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: that dog if he's if he's legitimate and pretty good,

1234
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: old boy, he's gonna let you go hunting. He may

1235
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: let you go hunting to it three times, or hey,

1236
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: he might even let you hunt with him and you

1237
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: take the dog home if you pay for it. Yeah,

1238
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: like on a trial, a trial. Yeah, and that's a

1239
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: good way. That's a good term, some good terminology. And

1240
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: if a fella won't let you do that, don't buy

1241
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: his dog. Yeah, take the dog on a trial because

1242
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: the near love doing that. Yeah. It's like going to

1243
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, going to the store and buying you something,

1244
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: use it a couple of times, and then send it back,

1245
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: get your money back or something. But yeah, he ain't

1246
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: I tell him what he'll have at his house. Where'd

1247
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: you get that dog? Oh, I'm just gonna I'm just

1248
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna say what it'll do. Or I'm gonna try it

1249
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Yeah, he loves doing that. Yeah, okay, uh,

1250
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: started dogs? What would you general price reigns for a

1251
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: started one year old dog? I know there's a lot

1252
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: of variants. Just bloodline is gonna depend a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, there's certain blood lines of dogs five sin

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01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: curs that are more popular and people are gonna take

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Speaker 1: advantage of that. And but then there's you know, you

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Speaker 1: get a half cur hound or a half FIVET hound

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01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: that's a super good started dog and get it for

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Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, you know, but you can

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Speaker 1: you know, that's probably what you guys think. It's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna be that be about that range fresh dogs that

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Speaker 1: start to kill squirrels. But if it's you know, let's

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Speaker 1: just say somebody was one of those boys that championed

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: one of them dogs dropped, and you're gonna buy one

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01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: that's proven, you know, to get started. You want to

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: proving dog, you just throw it out and you're good

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Speaker 1: to go. I don't know. I mean, it's it's worth

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Speaker 1: whatever somebody wants to give you for it on that day,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I mean it could be two thousands of

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Speaker 1: four thousand dollars, right, they're not cheap. Yeah, finished dog,

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, well, I guess it all depends

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Speaker 1: on how good I finished dog. But undred up. Michael, Well,

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Speaker 1: my son and I usually don't talk about dog prices,

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01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: but yes, well talk about this. You take you go

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01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 1: hunting that day and you kill fifteen squirrels in the afternoon,

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: price just went up. Yeah, I mean that's just the

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01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: way it works. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've been offered

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01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: some money for a dog before, and I wouldn't take

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01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: the money because I like the dog. Yeah, So getting

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Speaker 1: somebody to sell one to you that's already finished, it's

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01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. Yeah, And that's you got it. You'd

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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: have to find somebody like Michael that enjoys training young

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01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: dogs or or something. And sometimes guy's legitimately need the

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: money or you know, sell a dog, got a need

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01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: and they got a good dog, and like, I'll sell

1285
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: that dog for Hey. Let me, y'all follow me on

1286
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: this one and see if you think it's true, because

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: it is true. Um, any kind of animal that you

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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: train and start based upon the socio economic status of

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: that region is going to have the same price categorization mules,

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01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: coon dogs, squirrel dogs, bird dogs, and I can't speak

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: for any part of other part of the country, but

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: it's all the same. Think about it. What what could

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01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: you pay for a green broke, half started mule, Well,

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: it depends on what it looked like, how old it was,

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: how started it was. But you could get a green

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01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: broke mule for eight hundred dollars. What's the started squirrel

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01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: dog cost eight hundred dollars? A finished mule that's pretty good,

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01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: that's safe and it's in its prime age range. You're

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: gonna be paying fifteen to eighteen hundred dollars plus all

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01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: the way to the top. And you could go in

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Speaker 1: southern Missouri and buy twenty thousand dollar mule from you know,

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01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: some of these big guys up there, y'all see, you'll

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01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. But you can buy a heck

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: of a And I have quite a few people message

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: me from all of the country about mules. And I

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01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: had a lady message me the other day and she

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01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: said she had a sixteen year old mule. I think

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Speaker 1: it was in Pennsylvania and had been written by an

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01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: eighty year old man and it was real gentle, but

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01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: it was sixteen years old, and they were one four

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars for it. And I was like, man, I

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01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: can't tell you, you know, whether you should do that

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: or not. But I said, in Arkansas you could buy

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01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: a heck of a mule for four thousand dollars. But

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Speaker 1: it's a different market. We've got a lot of anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm off track. Track is categorization any animal that needs training,

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01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: I mean a coon, dog, any outdoor utilitarian animal about

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01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: the same going price. That's right. It didn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Y'all agree? Yeah, okay, so use that scale. So half

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01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: broke under thousand dollars, medium broke inside of thousands or

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01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: two thousand, well broke two thousand plus mules, coon dogs,

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Speaker 1: squirrel dogs. Bam, we just made a chart. Take that

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Speaker 1: to the bank. Agree with that, Michael. Michael is kind

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Speaker 1: of he's I can't read him. He's like a little

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01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: squirrelly there. Yeah, I can see it, sort of. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well I think that's handy because people, you gotta get

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01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: into these uh you gotta get into these worlds and

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01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 1: just kind of dip your feet in to begin to

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01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: understand it. Um. But no, man, the cool thing about

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01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting as you can do it for a long

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01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 1: period of time. You can usually hunt on public land.

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 1: There's not you know, the inside a big game hunting.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of competition, I mean in terms of

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Speaker 1: like places to go and man, squirrel hunting for the

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01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: most part is a pretty I mean, you might go

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01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: somewhere and there'll be a squirrel hunter there, but that

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01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: guy is not your enemy because he's there, he's probably

1338
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna become your friend. I mean, he's not mad because

1339
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting his buck. Yeah. I mean when you're after

1340
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: big there's there's different it's it's it's it's a little

1341
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: bit higher stakes. But not squirrel hunting. It's such a

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity sport. Uh. And I mean, well, have

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Speaker 1: we talked about eating squirrels? But squirrel meats great to eat,

1344
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: they're easy to handle. Um, we've been we've been trying

1345
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: new ways to skin them or to to to eat

1346
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: them like them. But if we missed anything, boys, this

1347
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: this podcast has got to take people from zero to

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01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: the top of the squirrel world. What can we talk

1349
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: what have we missed? Well, I'd say if you're wanting

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01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: to get into it, go hunting with quite a few

1351
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: different dogs. We'll figure out what you want for you.

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01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: Just go buy one. Yeah, that's good, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a competition hunter, but I'm sure I've been

1354
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 1: to some before. I'm sure them fellers would love the company,

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: and I love to talk about their dogs. You know,

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: you can meet a lot of different folks at one

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01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, so a competition hunt might be a

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01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: good place to go. And we didn't even talk about

1359
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Speaker 1: competition hunting. That's a whole another sphere of the squirrel

1360
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: world that we're not really talking about. We're kind we're

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01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: kind of just talking about pleasure, hunting, meat and hunting.

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Speaker 1: As they say, we're trying, I know, Michael and Trey

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01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: and me. I mean, we just want dogs that we

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01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: can kill squirrels over in the competition world. You're looking

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01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: for a dog to kind of do it in a

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01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: specific way. Yeah, it's it's totally different, and I haven't

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Speaker 1: component since two thousand nine. It's just I love. My

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: favorite thing is at the end of the day seeing

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01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: taking a picture with all my buddies and seeing squirrels

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01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: on the tailgate. That's you know, the memories and the

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01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: hunting and that's what I like. Yeah, so yep, well

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Speaker 1: all right, guys, Hey, thanks to Time. Thank you, Trey,

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01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: thank you man enjoying it, Michael, thank you sir, thanks

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01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: for coming out, Jason and Tanks of Time, and uh,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where squirrels live.