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Speaker 2: Watch Peaky Blinders.
Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's such a banger. Oh, Nick Cave just
Speaker 1: a ton of bangers. I'm always a murder ballads guy.
Speaker 3: But mmmm yeah, I mean listen, he's a very talented, talented,
Speaker 3: deep voiced man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But Peaky Blinders, now that's a god damn. That's a
Speaker 3: great show man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Peaky Blinders, which is about children, right, It's.
Speaker 2: About you know, roma people, but there are children in it.
Speaker 1: There's children in it, and there's also children in Portland
Speaker 1: and you help them have access to a museum by
Speaker 1: texting Bastards to five oh one five five to donate
Speaker 1: to the Flip Museum.
Speaker 2: I could have helped you with that transition.
Speaker 3: Were happening, but I was like, well, I mean it's
Speaker 3: not really well, children just decided to get but to
Speaker 3: get that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's there's kids all over the place. Sure,
Speaker 1: in most places except for in this cult, which is well,
Speaker 1: actually a lot of them are children. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, let's get back to the story. So
Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield, as we kind of closed out the last
Speaker 1: episode with, I don't really feel strongly that he was
Speaker 1: necessarily worse than the surrounding society. This is one of
Speaker 1: those cases where not really a clear good guy, right,
Speaker 1: but he was a pretty He was still an abusive
Speaker 1: cult leader, right right, because it is a cult.
Speaker 3: Leader leader that with it, I think not a good
Speaker 3: guy is kind of relative the cult leader.
Speaker 2: I think we can say you make your judgment for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So one of the things about him as
Speaker 1: a cult leader is that he decides after he starts
Speaker 1: having sex with everyone that he has been given quote,
Speaker 1: the authority to regulate the details of their daily life. Now,
Speaker 1: his first new rule is quote, everything except the light
Speaker 1: of the day is a shoot, which means no lamps,
Speaker 1: no fires, and no electric lights. Right, nothing but daylight.
Speaker 1: Anything else, and you're angering God. I think it might
Speaker 1: have been still okay to navigate via like the fires
Speaker 1: caused by lightning strikes, but I don't know if this
Speaker 1: ever got brought up to him. Not a lot of
Speaker 1: lightning in Oregon, right.
Speaker 2: I mean? And also, how often are you going to
Speaker 2: be put in that position?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Joshua had also declared back on the island that sins
Speaker 1: had to be atoned for by having his followers roll
Speaker 1: on the ground until he ordered them to stop. This
Speaker 1: is incorporated into their day long prayer sessions. Creffield also
Speaker 1: started telling his followers that God only would speak to
Speaker 1: them when they were rolling around on the ground, and
Speaker 1: that the way to welcome him in was to shout
Speaker 1: prayers as loudly as possible while again rolling around. If
Speaker 1: you don't do this, then God's going to smite you.
Speaker 1: And again, these are like twenty four hour sessions. Now
Speaker 1: you probably won't be surprised to hear. This makes quite
Speaker 1: a ruckus, and it was noted that like neighbors as
Speaker 1: far as a quarter of a mile away from the
Speaker 1: Hurtz house could hear them rolling around and screaming all
Speaker 1: night long when they would do these day long sessions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not exactly an inconspicuous
Speaker 3: way of praying.
Speaker 2: No no.
Speaker 1: Joshua next announced that he had to sanctify their food
Speaker 1: by touching it with his hands. He exercised extreme discrimination
Speaker 1: and what was worthy of sanctification though, So not only
Speaker 1: did he have to sanctify your food, but he would
Speaker 1: decide what he was willing to sanctify, and if he
Speaker 1: didn't sanctify food for a week, you couldn't eat.
Speaker 2: No, that's my hamburger, let me touch it. No, God
Speaker 2: doesn't want you to have this. I love it. He's
Speaker 2: just everyone's big brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just jacking their food.
Speaker 2: Stealing from them and saying God, he's.
Speaker 1: The professor from that. I think you should leave that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is exactly what he's doing. God, that is that
Speaker 1: is quite funny. So if he doesn't sanctify food, then
Speaker 1: you can't eat, right, So like one week he'd be
Speaker 1: like God, has only approved me to sanctify bread and
Speaker 1: water because he wants you to know what it's like
Speaker 1: to be hungry. And then the next week he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't know enough yet, so I'm not sanctifying everything.
Speaker 1: You can't even have water. And then when people be like,
Speaker 1: but we we want water, please don't why why are
Speaker 1: we starving it and ourselves, he would be like, if
Speaker 1: you don't do this, God's going to take me away,
Speaker 1: Like he'll make me leave if you guys don't starve
Speaker 1: yourselves this week.
Speaker 3: So yeah, God will get rid of the last good
Speaker 3: dick you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And they're like, oh fuck, yeah. Can't let the.
Speaker 1: Kind of where this is headed because next from Holy
Speaker 1: Rollers quote, Joshua ruled that men, women, and children were
Speaker 1: all to sleep together on the floor in the same
Speaker 1: room while wearing little clothing. They were to do this so,
Speaker 1: according to Joshua, they wouldn't know cold, or so so
Speaker 1: they would know cold. Joshua established rules about whom they
Speaker 1: could community kate with. If someone wasn't one of God's
Speaker 1: anointed refused to accept the gift of spirit, Joshua told
Speaker 1: them to have no dealings with the infidels, even if
Speaker 1: the infidels were members of their own families. So he's
Speaker 1: he's isolating everybody. He's now much more directly breaking up families.
Speaker 1: And this creates a problem because Crefield and his cult
Speaker 1: are now living at the Hurt family house. And while
Speaker 1: Maud and most of the rest of the Hurt family,
Speaker 1: you know, Maud, her brother, one of her sisters, her mom,
Speaker 1: they've all joined Joshua's cult. Their father, the patriarch of
Speaker 1: the family, Ov Hurt, and the owner of the house,
Speaker 1: has not joined the cult, right he has refused to.
Speaker 1: He's letting them all crash here because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: his daughter to like freeze to death in the woods.
Speaker 1: But he is not in the cult. And Crefield has
Speaker 1: just said, you have to like shun everyone who's not
Speaker 1: in the cult. And this is kind of it. It's
Speaker 1: kind of sad because like in our whole story, Ov
Speaker 1: Hurt is the only nice guy, like everyone in town
Speaker 1: basically agrees he was just like a really helpful kind man.
Speaker 1: And he again, he had agreed to let the cult
Speaker 1: live on his family because he loved his family so much.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't understand what you're doing, but
Speaker 1: I don't want you to die in the cold, please
Speaker 1: come in with me. Cheryl'll take your cult leader too.
Speaker 1: And Joshua we call that enabling. He is he is enabling,
Speaker 1: and Joshua punishes him for it because he's like, I
Speaker 1: know that we're living in his house, but you all
Speaker 1: have to shun your dad. Don't call you can't call
Speaker 1: him dad. God's God's the only fan. There's only one
Speaker 1: dad here.
Speaker 2: It's me.
Speaker 1: Call him the Black Devil. Yeah, very wild shit. And
Speaker 1: he's like, you need to tell him whenever you have
Speaker 1: a chance, that God's going to kill him, right, Like,
Speaker 1: don't call him your dad and let him knowing he's
Speaker 1: going to be punished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, call him the black Devil and that God wants
Speaker 3: him dad. Yeah, but you know, have a regular relationship.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you otherwise.
Speaker 1: Sure don't be yeah, now, as you probably would not
Speaker 1: be surprised to hear. This is kind of a bummer
Speaker 1: for ov, right, not a happy way to live. So
Speaker 1: by the end of October, he gives in and he's like,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'll join the cult. What else am I
Speaker 1: going to do? Life is terrible? Otherwise, he quits his job.
Speaker 1: He sends them like his two weeks notice, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I now realize I've been living in sin and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go join a cult. And he puts a
Speaker 1: note on his front door that says positively, no admittance
Speaker 1: except on God's business, which I also have on my
Speaker 1: front door. Different God, Sure, different God, Think deeper, think older,
Speaker 1: more underwater. Anyway, the Holy Rollers are overjoyed that OV
Speaker 1: has joined them, and like all of us, they knew
Speaker 1: the best way to express their joy was by lighting
Speaker 1: shit on fire, which they did using all of Ovi's
Speaker 1: possessions as kindling. So they take once he joins, they
Speaker 1: take everything he owns, his carpets, his beds, is she
Speaker 1: his like precious family heirlooms, his like things he'd inherited
Speaker 1: from his dad, family photos, and they light them on fire.
Speaker 1: They build a big bonfire, and they're like, this shit's car,
Speaker 1: so we have to burn it.
Speaker 2: God, damn it.
Speaker 1: You just yeah, this poor motherfucker. Now, Frank, the guy
Speaker 1: who had made the newspaper because he rode his bike
Speaker 1: to Oregon City, he throws his bike on the pire
Speaker 1: right because he's in the colt, so he has to
Speaker 1: burn his bicycle as carnal and once they finished with
Speaker 1: the furniture, the Colt digs up all the flowers and
Speaker 1: grape vines and fruit trees their garden and they burn
Speaker 1: that too. Last, they take all of the family livestock,
Speaker 1: their chickens, as well as the pet cat and dog
Speaker 1: and burn them alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, I officially don't like it.
Speaker 1: Yes, now, now we're onto the monster part.
Speaker 2: Right. Listen, you can fuck my wife all you want,
Speaker 2: but you leave my kid cat out of this. You
Speaker 2: son them a bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's good, although there's some debate as to
Speaker 1: whether or not the animals were alive when this happens.
Speaker 1: So okay, I don't know, imagine that it's the less
Speaker 1: horrible option.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I like him again, my wife.
Speaker 1: So they decide next that they should march on another
Speaker 1: family home, the Hartley Residents. Warren Hartley is again not
Speaker 1: a follower of the cult, but his wife and daughter
Speaker 1: are so like his wife and daughter. Well, he's like
Speaker 1: a way at work, start lighting his shit on a
Speaker 1: fire and when he comes back, he like gets a shotgun,
Speaker 1: like fuck you guys, right, And so this whole brew
Speaker 1: haha obviously makes the local papers kind of a kind
Speaker 1: of a wild thing to happen in your small city.
Speaker 2: Did he shoot anybody with the gun?
Speaker 1: He doesn't, sho, No, he should have, Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: does not, probably because it was his family doing a
Speaker 1: lot of the burning.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So this becomes enough of a story that like several
Speaker 1: thousand Oregonians travel from nearby to like drive and walk
Speaker 1: past the house where this is all happening, just to
Speaker 1: be like, maybe we'll get to see a crazy person.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not much going on in Oregon at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: We very dressed.
Speaker 3: This enough guy burning a bunch of shit with a
Speaker 3: shotgun nearby is like literally watching nineteen ninety seven's The Titanic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, honey, you know how our lives are unendurable drudgery.
Speaker 1: Let's risk them by traveling eighteen hours by foot to
Speaker 1: look at a crazy man.
Speaker 2: Wow, look at them, Bud.
Speaker 1: This was worth both of our sons dying of tetanus
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 3: I hate my child, but it's fun to see that
Speaker 3: that lady has almost got a titties.
Speaker 2: How she's dancing oor agaon.
Speaker 1: So this had all gone so oh sorry, So yeah,
Speaker 1: this becomes like a whole thing and a rumor starts
Speaker 1: to spread right based on the fact that they burnt
Speaker 1: their pets on this pire that an adopted child had
Speaker 1: also been like because the Hurts have a kid they
Speaker 1: adopted and no one is able like they no one's
Speaker 1: seen the kid in a while, so they're like a
Speaker 1: shit the coat light a baby on fire because Crayfield
Speaker 1: has been preaching that this adopted child they like, you know,
Speaker 1: you spend some money on the adoption process, right, so
Speaker 1: that makes this child profane and of the world and
Speaker 1: thus not worth a living dickhead. Yeah, he's really made
Speaker 1: a heel turn.
Speaker 2: Now I don't like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. So Craffield has not gone that far, thankfully. No,
Speaker 1: no children get lit on fire as far as we're
Speaker 1: aware of. No kids die in the story, in fact,
Speaker 1: which makes it fairly rare among behind the bathrooms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know this is new for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, celebrate a cut kid not dying in this by
Speaker 1: donating to the Portland's Children's Missus please right, yeah five
Speaker 1: oh one five five text there then you can donate. Bam,
Speaker 1: that's a fucking plug. Well, Craffield has not lit a
Speaker 1: baby on fire. The rumor is widely believed enough that
Speaker 1: the police have to make a welfare check. And not
Speaker 1: very pro police here, but like, yeah, you probably want
Speaker 1: to check up on that jarlit and cats and rugs
Speaker 1: on fire. They might kill a baby.
Speaker 2: There's no way to know. I mean, what else is
Speaker 2: your job? You know what I mean? Right? Like you
Speaker 2: like that's a part of it.
Speaker 3: Is like, hey, we got a loose cannon in the neighborhood,
Speaker 3: fucking all the wives pets.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we take a look at this.
Speaker 3: Ye, let's just give a little knocking knock on the
Speaker 3: door here and see if.
Speaker 1: Show up at the hurt house and OV lets them
Speaker 1: in and they they enter to find the house empty
Speaker 1: because everything's been burned. All the furniture has been burned,
Speaker 1: and all of the rollers are lying near naked in
Speaker 1: a pile in an empty room like weeping. Some of
Speaker 1: them are crying, some of them are laughing, all of
Speaker 1: them are chanting loudly in prayer. A lot of them
Speaker 1: are rolling around. They seem kind of like manic and crazy, right, sure,
Speaker 1: none of them have eaten in days. They all look
Speaker 1: exhausted and like starving. So the police are like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this does seem like it could be a problem, But
Speaker 1: OV takes them to the adopted daughter, and so like, well,
Speaker 1: the kid's not dead. And so next they're like, did
Speaker 1: you guys kill your pets in a bonfire? And Frank Hurt,
Speaker 1: who's Ov's son and also in the cult, is like,
Speaker 1: we killed a dog and cat. I admit, but we
Speaker 1: did so because we wanted to get rid of them
Speaker 1: but failed. Yeah, no, no, no, that's better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, we tried to get rid of them. The
Speaker 3: cat came back, you know the song, and sometimes the
Speaker 3: cat comes back, you got.
Speaker 2: To burn it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they did a real homeword bound thing, so
Speaker 1: we had to fucking light them on fire.
Speaker 4: The alternative endings, that would be a really different movie
Speaker 4: if at the end of that the family is like
Speaker 4: the direct the animals followed us.
Speaker 2: Studio note is useful.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the cops that ask did you, like, did
Speaker 1: you sacrifice these animals? And Crayfield is like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we didn't sacrifice the animals, but that would be weird. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and Frank says, we have no loss except
Speaker 1: the Bible. You find nothing like that in the Bible.
Speaker 1: And Ov is like, yeah, we killed the dog, but
Speaker 1: it was like a bad dog. It wouldn't obey orders,
Speaker 1: and so we had sentences to death for its disobedience. Right, right,
Speaker 1: We had a trial.
Speaker 3: We had another dog as judge. It was a jer
Speaker 3: of its fears, a bunch of other dogs barking and shit.
Speaker 1: And this is this is this concerns the sheriff because again,
Speaker 1: ov is this nice man, like, he's not the kind
Speaker 1: of guy to murder his dog.
Speaker 2: But you know, a nice guy, you know, not the
Speaker 2: dog murdering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who
Speaker 1: would kill his dog on a fire. Who character, Yes,
Speaker 1: it seems kind of weird for you, man, which I
Speaker 1: guess it's nice to be known as not the kind
Speaker 1: of guy who would do.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put that on a resume. Yeah, probably not the
Speaker 1: kind of guy who would light a dog on fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the police asked next, hey, if God told
Speaker 1: you that you were supposed to murder your small adopted child,
Speaker 1: would you do that? And Creffield's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's impossible for me to sin since God is scripting
Speaker 1: every action that I take. So if I were to
Speaker 1: burn a child, it wouldn't be wrong.
Speaker 2: Now, well, he tells us to the cops.
Speaker 1: He tells this to the cops.
Speaker 2: Dude, I like, he's going for it.
Speaker 3: He's going for it, right, going for it.
Speaker 1: That is unsettling and honestly probably should be caused for
Speaker 1: some sort of action being taken against you. But it's
Speaker 1: not illegal, right. The cops are like, well, he has
Speaker 1: not committed a crime, right, Like, there's nothing illegal about
Speaker 1: killing your own pets, and there's nothing illegal about saying
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't be wrong for you to murder a
Speaker 1: child if you haven't murdered the child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, I don't know if it's I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess it's a First Amendment issue here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist.
Speaker 3: Obviously we live in an organ with a little bit
Speaker 3: of like, uh, whites only whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So nineteen oh three not being a high point for
Speaker 1: animal rights. There's nothing the police can do legally here
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously the Oregon police have acted illegally an
Speaker 1: awful lot in this period. Most of them are in
Speaker 1: the KKK and like ten years or so when that
Speaker 1: comes through, so like they're part of why they're not
Speaker 1: willing to do this is like, these are white Christians, right,
Speaker 1: so like what are we supposed to do? So instead
Speaker 1: of doing anything, the cops are like, well, we can't
Speaker 1: arrest you, but like we should. Let you know, all
Speaker 1: the men in town are really angry and they are
Speaker 1: talking about forming a posse and maybe tarring and feathering
Speaker 1: all of the men running this cult. So you know,
Speaker 1: heads up and you will not be surprised to hear.
Speaker 1: Joshua does not change his behavior as a result of
Speaker 1: this warning, because again, part of what he's been preaching
Speaker 1: is that once we start teaching the true Gospel, all
Speaker 1: of the everyone's gonna hate us. Right, This is within
Speaker 1: his co religious cosmology to be expected.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The negative attention guy, the more negative attention he gets,
Speaker 3: the more he's like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they're trying to cancel.
Speaker 3: Us for cancel call culture where you can't just burn
Speaker 3: your pets and fuck everyone's wife, you know, right, right day,
Speaker 3: politically correct man, Portland, Oregon town.
Speaker 1: That's you know what, Matt, that's a great new don't
Speaker 1: tread on me flag, like you still have the snake
Speaker 1: in the middle, but instead don't treat on me. It's
Speaker 1: like kill your pets, fuck your wives. Good stuff, good stuff.
Speaker 1: So after this point, after this police visit ends in nothing,
Speaker 1: harassment of the cult begins by locals. Right, gangs of
Speaker 1: men in the night start running up and like hurling
Speaker 1: rocks through the house windows, banging on the door, and
Speaker 1: then running off. One father kidnaps back his daughter. Now,
Speaker 1: when I say he kidnaps her, she is twenty two
Speaker 1: years old, right, So assuming now legally are women are
Speaker 1: not independent in this short in time, right, they can't
Speaker 1: even vote, So I don't know what the law would
Speaker 1: say about this, but like she's twenty two years old
Speaker 1: in the society, she wants to be here. He does
Speaker 1: steal her, right, right, and he ties her to her
Speaker 1: bed in his house to keep her from going back.
Speaker 1: She spends days like not sleeping, screaming, refusing to eat.
Speaker 1: But like it's it is pretty bad. Again, not a
Speaker 1: clear good guy in this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tied her down so she can't even roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she can't roll, right, God's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like going through dts from not rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So eventually Crefield and one of his top men, Brooks,
Speaker 1: flee like flee town to try to avoid because they
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get murdered and try to shack up
Speaker 1: at a random house in a nearby town called Wren
Speaker 1: and they're like, knock on this old lady's door. News
Speaker 1: does not purcole it quickly, so she doesn't know who
Speaker 1: they are. She just sees two dirty guys coming off
Speaker 1: the road being like, hey, we need a place to
Speaker 1: stay for the night. You know, we're starving, and you know,
Speaker 1: being a nice person is like, of course you can
Speaker 1: sleep here tonight, right Crefield as soon as she like
Speaker 1: invites him in, is like, hey, you got any pets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm God's prophet. Will you cook me dinner? Now? I
Speaker 1: don't know much about this lady other than this, but
Speaker 1: I like her because as soon as this guy says, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm God's chosen one, make me dinner, lady, She's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, I just got to go to the grocery
Speaker 1: store real quick. So she rolls down to the grocery
Speaker 1: store and then finds the nearest group of armed men
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, I need you to deal with
Speaker 1: this guy for me, And so a bunch of like
Speaker 1: lumberjacks show up with weapons and are like We're gonna
Speaker 1: make this a problem if you don't get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of this lady's house. Which is pretty cool. That's
Speaker 1: pretty based.
Speaker 2: Lady. You know what, she's got a good head on
Speaker 2: her shoulder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, smart.
Speaker 3: She saw all the red flags and said, I gotta
Speaker 3: get lumberjacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need yeah, some lumberjacks and suns.
Speaker 3: Got that probably look like a tree trunk. We gotta
Speaker 3: get some lumberjacks here.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So Crefield and this other guy returned to the herd
Speaker 1: house right because they can't make it, and wrin Ov,
Speaker 1: Hurt by this point, has gotten tired of being in
Speaker 1: the cult. He was never really into it. He just
Speaker 1: didn't want his wife and kids to hate him. So
Speaker 1: a friend of his is like, hey, you seem really
Speaker 1: depressed and you lit your dog on fire. You want
Speaker 1: to like go to Portland with me for a week,
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of clear your head, right, And
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, that actually seems like a good idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then this friend is his daughter's former fiance, James. Right,
Speaker 1: they got the rich guy we heard about earlier. So
Speaker 1: James is like, why don't we take a drive.
Speaker 3: You look like you needed man to not be around
Speaker 3: the ashes of your form.
Speaker 1: So as soon as he gets away from this, he's like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I don't want to be in a cult, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is terrible. I made a horrible mistake.
Speaker 1: And so he returns home now de radicalized. I guess
Speaker 1: just in time to learn like everyone else, that God
Speaker 1: has given another message to Joshua Craffield is pointed great,
Speaker 1: and I bet you're not going to be surprised to
Speaker 1: hear that messages you should marry a sixteen year old.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was going yeah, that's always
Speaker 5: where this was.
Speaker 2: Ends, always where it's going to end up.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of roundabout ways that people
Speaker 3: try to eventually marry a sixteen year old, and this
Speaker 3: is one.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's the thing for all of this, the
Speaker 1: enjoyment that I have about the concept of sex cults.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're talking sex holt, there is a moment in
Speaker 1: which the leader is going to marry a sixteen year old.
Speaker 1: And that's every one of these stories. I've read a
Speaker 1: lot of them.
Speaker 3: It always goes in that direction. And it's just like
Speaker 3: every single time you've ruined sex cults.
Speaker 1: For me, yeah, exactly. It's really we need a new
Speaker 1: non problematic sex quest.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's like an ethical sex cult where you know,
Speaker 3: sent is key.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's none of this.
Speaker 1: Let's just say the minimum age twenty eight, right, We're
Speaker 1: really going to go in above the line, you know, right.
Speaker 1: I think this is I think we can make a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Just do it.
Speaker 2: Let's get that island, Robert, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: This is a good idea. This is a good idea.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, the sixteen year old that God has
Speaker 1: told Joshua Crefield to marry is a cult member named
Speaker 1: Esther Mitchell, and so he's like, yep, we're gonna get hitched.
Speaker 1: God says it. She's gonna be the new Mary. But
Speaker 1: before this can all happen, Esther's sister commits her to
Speaker 1: an insane asylum in Portland, which is again, everything about
Speaker 1: all of this story is problematic, right, Like, involuntary commitment
Speaker 1: is a huge part of what's going to happen, not
Speaker 1: just to Esther here but the asylum. Because she's too
Speaker 1: young for the straight up insane asylum, she's sent to
Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls Aid Society, which is both like
Speaker 1: if you're an orphan. If you're like a homeless youth,
Speaker 1: it's where you'll go. But it's also where kids who
Speaker 1: are declared insane go because they can't go to the
Speaker 1: adult asylum quite yet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is again a lot that's problematic about this, and
Speaker 1: Esther fights like hell. As soon as she's institutionalized for days,
Speaker 1: she would refuse to eat. She would just shout glory
Speaker 1: to God and other such things. Her brother, this is
Speaker 1: one of the Her brother George visits her and is like, hey,
Speaker 1: me and your other brother, we really love you. We
Speaker 1: want you to come home. And she was like, you
Speaker 1: are only my brother's in name.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll definitely fuck you up. That is not a
Speaker 1: cool thing to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're well, you're fucking bitch.
Speaker 2: That's what I would have said. Yeah, yeah, well you're
Speaker 2: fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has reason to be angry, let's not anyway,
Speaker 1: It's it's messy. So Esther may have been the most
Speaker 1: dedicated of Crefield's believers. One night, she told the matron
Speaker 1: of the facility that she's stuck at that God had
Speaker 1: started speaking directly to her, and the matron for whatever
Speaker 1: whatever she says. The woman who runs this is like,
Speaker 1: I think she is going to murder one of the
Speaker 1: other children. Yeah, we need to go Yeah, not unfair.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's reasonable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all of this enrages the community even more,
Speaker 1: Like this is not nothing is fun about this anymore.
Speaker 1: This is like a virus sweeping through our young women.
Speaker 1: That's how the men are treating it, and like, we
Speaker 1: need to fucking do something here. And Sophie co One
Speaker 1: of the reasons I like her essay here is that
Speaker 1: it does a good jomb of describing how a lot
Speaker 1: of this anger comes not just out of the fact,
Speaker 1: not out of the fact that like aspects of what
Speaker 1: Joshua was doing are really abusive, which they are, but
Speaker 1: out of the fact that Joshua has made the local
Speaker 1: women ungovernable. Right, And here's what Sophie writes. The Corvalis
Speaker 1: Times reassured the public of their feelings, saying that they
Speaker 1: had good reason to be against Crefield for leading women,
Speaker 1: girls and others into delusions and unnatural conditions, into a
Speaker 1: state of mind where there is more frenzy than reason,
Speaker 1: more folly than since people were not angry that he
Speaker 1: had female followers, but that they were only female The
Speaker 1: Corvalus Times also explained why this aspect was so significant,
Speaker 1: claiming that the idea of women freely running around and
Speaker 1: abandoning their husbands, fathers, and brothers was what made it
Speaker 1: so maddening. She was out of the world and he
Speaker 1: was of the earth, and she would have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him. The fact that women were engaging in
Speaker 1: such wild behavior without men threw off the balance of Corbalis,
Speaker 1: both in perceptions of social roles and in daily life.
Speaker 1: Crawfield was altering the community already, and this was just
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: So I love that that was of course, that's the
Speaker 3: main issue of these men is they're just like, listen,
Speaker 3: I have no problem with like, you know, you guys
Speaker 3: fucking like like you'd fuck my wife, but like I
Speaker 3: have to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that's my thing, bro.
Speaker 3: Like The fact is is that like, it ain't fun
Speaker 3: if the domies can't have none, dog, you're just you're
Speaker 3: doing some real selfish shit.
Speaker 1: Well, and you're letting them. You're letting them dress slutty,
Speaker 1: you're letting them like they do their heads aren't covered.
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Speaker 1: Wait, shit, hello, we're back. So that December, Crafield addressed
Speaker 1: his flock at the Hurt Home and told them that
Speaker 1: God had given him a new message. He strips in
Speaker 1: front of his colt after reading them the story of
Speaker 1: David and Bethsheba, and he tells them. Clothing was intended
Speaker 1: to cover up sin and shame, and if the heart
Speaker 1: was made pure, there was no sin, therefore should be
Speaker 1: no shame. So like you could be naked again, just
Speaker 1: like in the Garden of Eden because you haven't sinned
Speaker 1: since you're following me, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it makes it actually kind of, it does sense.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. But what it's the lead in for
Speaker 1: as soon as he's got them all naked, they all
Speaker 1: start having sex, right, is that is the goal that
Speaker 1: he's leading into here, is like, once I get them
Speaker 1: all naked, starting the orchie's gonna be a lot easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way easier when you're have to fumble around
Speaker 3: with Yeah, fruit of the loom under loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as the book Holy Rulers describes quote and so,
Speaker 1: orgies in the name of God and Purification were held
Speaker 1: in Frank's house during the Christmas season of nineteen oh three.
Speaker 1: Mothers were debauched in the presence of their daughters, and
Speaker 1: daughters were debauched in the presence of their mothers, and
Speaker 1: after all had been debauched purified, Joshua instructed the women
Speaker 1: and girls to submit themselves to the lust of other men.
Speaker 1: The only other men left in the in the flock
Speaker 1: where Frank hurt, Charles Brooks, Sampson Levin's, and Lee Campbell,
Speaker 1: all of them, that is, but Sarah hurt. She refused
Speaker 1: to submit to him, to make love to him. Joshua
Speaker 1: finally said that if Sarah would not submit to him,
Speaker 1: he would drive her out of the church and God
Speaker 1: would smite her. All she would see in the hereafter
Speaker 1: was her soul plunging into an everlasting, burning, seething hell.
Speaker 1: So rather than risk eternal damnation, Sarah risked hell on
Speaker 1: earth and became a bride of Christ by making love
Speaker 1: to her son in law in front of her children,
Speaker 1: just as they had made love to others in front
Speaker 1: of her.
Speaker 2: It was almost cool. It was almost cool.
Speaker 1: This is the first definite evidence I get that there
Speaker 1: was like a significant amount of coercion involved in at
Speaker 1: least some of these relationships.
Speaker 3: I was like, like, yes, fuck, yeah, Frank's gonna fuck
Speaker 3: you know, Samson or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then you said that part. You should have just
Speaker 2: left that part out, man.
Speaker 1: So I know it's a lot. It's pretty abusive.
Speaker 2: It's pretty now.
Speaker 1: I think it escalates in its abusiveness over time. Damn,
Speaker 1: I think part of why these people get so into
Speaker 1: it is that for a while it is much less
Speaker 1: abusive than aspects of their daily life. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: clamp down has occurred by this.
Speaker 2: That's always how it goes, man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You start off, you're just like, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: little bit of just like a little porn here and there,
Speaker 3: and then one thing leads to another and you're like,
Speaker 3: have to have pissing it. Everyone's pissing and pissing on
Speaker 3: each other, and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, what if I be calm? Is that relatable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very relatable, Matt. I'm glad. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: we've we've increased your backstory with that at.
Speaker 2: Buildings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fans are really putting together a more complete
Speaker 1: picture of your life.
Speaker 2: A heroin addict and he likes pisspoor with the fu.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course that's like, uh, I don't actually want
Speaker 1: to continue that bit. So after quite a lot of orgies,
Speaker 1: Joshua informed his followers of the new org chart. God is,
Speaker 1: of course the head of the church, Joshua is the
Speaker 1: visible head, Maud is now the spiritual mother, and Esther,
Speaker 1: who is still in an asylum, was a saint and confusingly,
Speaker 1: now the church's spiritual God.
Speaker 2: And that's a weird or chart.
Speaker 1: It is a weird org chart. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: that grabs. But he he tells them all that God
Speaker 1: has chosen Esther to be the mother of the New Christ.
Speaker 1: Now again, Esther is sixteen. She is also institutionalized. Crayfield
Speaker 1: is still obsessed with her, though, because she is. Part
Speaker 1: of why, at least part of why the authors of
Speaker 1: Holy Rulers suggest he's obsessed with her is because at
Speaker 1: this point she is the only virgin left in the church, right,
Speaker 1: so he attempts to have several of his followers break
Speaker 1: her free of her asylum. But her mother, sensing this,
Speaker 1: being like, I'm pretty sure he's going to come for
Speaker 1: her and he might succeed, moves his daughter or moves
Speaker 1: her daughter to Illinois to be with her estranged father.
Speaker 1: So daddy abandoned them a while ago. But she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I need you to like do your job by keeping
Speaker 1: your daughter out of this cult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one thing, one thing, just one thing you
Speaker 2: don't even have to know, and the kidnap her. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the men of the town, who'd spent weeks gathering
Speaker 1: at night and vandalizing the Hurt House. Took to calling
Speaker 1: themselves the white Caps because they're all wearing these hats
Speaker 1: to recognize each other. And this ties into the fact
Speaker 1: that again, like a decade after this, all of these
Speaker 1: guys are going to be in the KKK. I was
Speaker 1: right saying it's huge in Oregon. This is very much
Speaker 1: in line with that period of our of our state history, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I was. I was like, why they
Speaker 2: just have white hats around?
Speaker 3: Yeah, very ready at but let's have it cover the
Speaker 3: rest of the face and let's bring wizards.
Speaker 2: Into this for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are so ready to be a vigilante mob. Again,
Speaker 1: very little is happening in Corvallis.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, these guys all eventually corner Crayfield and ov
Speaker 1: hurt Son Frank outside of the hurt House and tar
Speaker 1: and feather them sick. Uh Yeah, Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with this. They have that coming. They've got
Speaker 1: it coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been asking for a Yeah, worn for it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So one local paper describes the incident thus Lee quote,
Speaker 1: there was no attempt at secrecy by those who took
Speaker 1: part in the affair, none more masks and none affected
Speaker 1: a diskies. The identity of many of the party is known,
Speaker 1: and these are men of standing in character that a
Speaker 1: boy or hoodlum in the party.
Speaker 3: That's fun, Yeah, good stuff, standing members of society, you know,
Speaker 3: turning a weird you know, rapist fault into yeah, little
Speaker 3: birds or whatever?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this supposed to make you look like a bird?
Speaker 2: I tarring a feathering thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's not clear to me if the police
Speaker 1: refuse to intervene here because they supported the White Caps
Speaker 1: and doing violence to Craffield, or if they're just like,
Speaker 1: if we intervene, our neighbors will murder us. Right, both
Speaker 1: are plausible, you know, sure, like either cowardice or complicity,
Speaker 1: perhaps a mix of the two either to me, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Either way, nothing is done about this. Creffield promises that
Speaker 1: he will not let the actions of criminals stop his preaching,
Speaker 1: but he's also smart enough to know that, like, well,
Speaker 1: if turing and feathering doesn't work, they're going to try
Speaker 1: to murder me next, right, that's the only place to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should probably take evasive action. Yes, So he has
Speaker 1: his followers clean him up and then still reeking of Tar.
Speaker 1: He gets married, right, and after this he announces that
Speaker 1: the cult will be moving to Portland together, inaugurating a
Speaker 1: grand tradition that continues to this very day. Now, this
Speaker 1: pisss off the men of Corvallis, right, who see their
Speaker 1: chance to get their wives and daughters back from Creffield
Speaker 1: slipping away. If he gets to this degenerate, big city,
Speaker 1: right then there will be nothing stopping him, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Portland is you know, it's still a much more
Speaker 1: conservative place than it is today, but it is also
Speaker 1: the kind of place where maybe a guy like him
Speaker 1: could get away from the justice a bunch of drunk rednecks.
Speaker 2: Right, He's one of many sex cult leaders you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: get in line.
Speaker 1: So fortunately for them, for the men of Corvallis, Joshua
Speaker 1: Craffield was incapable of exactly one thing, and that one
Speaker 1: thing is not being on his bullshit. So as soon
Speaker 1: as soon as the cult moves to Portland, he tells
Speaker 1: them all that we're staying here until the annihilation of
Speaker 1: material things, which I think is going to come in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, So we'll move to China after
Speaker 1: that to preach the gospel, right, that's the plan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they wait for that. He renews his relationship with
Speaker 1: the wife of Burgess Star, one of his early followers
Speaker 1: who had left once you know, the wife fucking started.
Speaker 1: So Star at this point goes to the cops. Because
Speaker 1: adultery is illegal in Oregon. You can you can, it's punishable,
Speaker 1: wipe to two years in jail. So and this is
Speaker 1: it's very rare for this to get prosecuted. Not because
Speaker 1: adultery is where I think adultery is about equally common
Speaker 1: in every era. It's because if you're going to press charges,
Speaker 1: you have to admit that your wife cheated on you,
Speaker 1: and like most men would rather die. But it says
Speaker 1: something about the kind of guy Burgess is that he
Speaker 1: is willing to like kind of take this hit because
Speaker 1: a lot of men could press charges for this in Corvalis,
Speaker 1: he decides to take this hit on himself, this burden
Speaker 1: and report Joshua. And this opens the floodgates. And are
Speaker 1: the twelve men who are all former cult members kind
Speaker 1: of like come up afterwards and make similar allegations. And
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, this is where things get
Speaker 1: fucked up. Like obviously I don't think it's super fucked
Speaker 1: up for Burgess, given the sitution situation, to do this,
Speaker 1: But what is fucked up is what has to happen
Speaker 1: to his wife, Donna as a result of this, because
Speaker 1: since he's making this allegation for it to be taken seriously,
Speaker 1: Donna Starr has to testify that she has slept with
Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield, and she is still very much in the cult,
Speaker 1: so you might think that it'd be difficult right for
Speaker 1: her to get her to admit this, But in this case,
Speaker 1: rampant sexism kind of comes to the rescue of the
Speaker 1: men of Corvalis once again. So basically Burgess brings his
Speaker 1: wife to the police station and the police are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need you to sign this affid David saying that
Speaker 1: you've had improper relations with Joshua Craffield. Well, we need
Speaker 1: you to sign this affid David. They don't tell her
Speaker 1: what it says, just tell her she has to sign it,
Speaker 1: and she can't really read. So they have her sign
Speaker 1: a thing that says I fucked the prophet, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't actually know what she's signing, right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, yeah, that sounds also like classic cop shit, right.
Speaker 1: Very very classic cop shit, very classic misogyny shit, right,
Speaker 1: and yeah, a warrant is issued for Joshua Craffield's arrest.
Speaker 1: So this police dragnet starts across the northern chunk of
Speaker 1: the state northwest Oregon. But Joshua Creffield fucking disappears, right,
Speaker 1: this guy who had been everywhere, who was a publicity hound,
Speaker 1: who's got all these cult members, suddenly nobody can fucking
Speaker 1: find him. After a couple of weeks, locals assume, well, shit,
Speaker 1: maybe he just left the state, right, and we're fucking
Speaker 1: done with him, you know. So newspapers start publishing articles
Speaker 1: celebrating the end of Crefieldism. We beat him, he ran scared,
Speaker 1: you know, we got it. Hallelujah. The cult is over,
Speaker 1: you know. So the men who had had their lives
Speaker 1: upended by Crefield's cult, like Oah Hurt, tried to move forward.
Speaker 1: This also proved difficult. His daughter, Maud, was still in
Speaker 1: love with Joshua, and other cult members continued to congregate
Speaker 1: curiously at their house. Maud still refused to call him
Speaker 1: father because that was reserved for God, and so she
Speaker 1: started calling her father old man Hurt. She turned all
Speaker 1: of the pictures on their walls around, calling them vain,
Speaker 1: and she would fast for days at a time. When
Speaker 1: she would agree to eat, she would demand that she'd
Speaker 1: be allowed to eat alone. Other female Holy Rollers were
Speaker 1: similarly recalcitrant. Newspapers complained that these women in the colt would,
Speaker 1: even now that Crafield was gone, we're still parading around
Speaker 1: in public quote, with hair unbraided and unkempt, flowing entangled masses.
Speaker 1: This was seen as evidence of mental illness. The Albany
Speaker 1: Harold wrote, sane people don't go bare headed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that. There was a
Speaker 2: time where that was the hottest thing ever. Was just
Speaker 2: like your hair show.
Speaker 1: And not godless women. Yeah. Now for the kind of
Speaker 1: sane people don't go bare headed line, Sophie Coe provides
Speaker 1: some valuable context here. In her paper, Minerva Hyjer Reynolds
Speaker 1: explained that one day her and her family were shocked
Speaker 1: when we saw the women pass our house their hair
Speaker 1: hanging down their backs, barefooted. Because of how confined women
Speaker 1: were to their social roles, if they did not keep
Speaker 1: up their image, even to the smallest detail of tying
Speaker 1: up their hair, the public might believe they were crazy. Some,
Speaker 1: including Esther Mitchell were taken to other places by their
Speaker 1: families or partners to separate them from the lifestyle of
Speaker 1: the Holy Rollers and Edmund Craffield. So you know, bad
Speaker 1: not great. Mad Hurt gets institutionalized as a result of
Speaker 1: this behavior she has admitted. About a month after Crefield disappears,
Speaker 1: she is admitted to the Insane Asylum. The intake paperwork
Speaker 1: declares that this is because she refused to wear quote
Speaker 1: any covering for the head, and in fact, when she
Speaker 1: was given bonnets and stuff, she would destroy them. May
Speaker 1: Hurt was also committed to the asylum, so was Sophie Hartley,
Speaker 1: and eventually basically all of the Holy Roller cult are
Speaker 1: admitted to insane asylums.
Speaker 2: And at least one.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, the thing is is like some of
Speaker 3: the behavior feels like psych like maybe psych word adjacent,
Speaker 3: Like I would be like, yeah, maybe you know, I'll
Speaker 3: get on a little bit of that Gaba Pensen, some
Speaker 3: of that Sarah well Dog like that. I think that
Speaker 3: that would help. But it sounds like they the reason
Speaker 3: they chose was just of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, not wearing a hat.
Speaker 2: Not wearing a hat, you know what else has hair?
Speaker 2: The pussy put her and jail.
Speaker 1: No, they're actually all very lucky that this was when
Speaker 1: it was, because if it was a little bit later,
Speaker 1: they'd have had their fucking brains scrambled by a mootomist.
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.
Speaker 1: That's she's going around hatless. Break her brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, break the nose. She's making me horny.
Speaker 1: I should say, just to give you some context, they
Speaker 1: are they have institutionalized basically the whole cult at this point,
Speaker 1: which is fucked up. It is worth noting that in
Speaker 1: this period of time, one out of every two hundred
Speaker 1: Oregonians is institutionalized.
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 1: Like they a lot of people get thrown in crazy
Speaker 1: people jail, and basically all of them for no good reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, but is it weird that I'm like,
Speaker 3: low key jealous of their robustal services budget.
Speaker 1: I think you might want to google a little bit
Speaker 1: about how institutions were in this period of time before
Speaker 1: you get jealous.
Speaker 2: You mean they didn't have jello putting pops and TV
Speaker 2: in every room.
Speaker 1: I'll have to google when jello was invented.
Speaker 2: Okay, well we know TV was like steen hundreds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen hundreds, So like, yeah, I think all in
Speaker 1: the family is really big in this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's good enough,
Speaker 2: that's not bad. Yeah. So jello invented in eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Mother, Oh yeah, they got jello.
Speaker 2: Baby, they got jello. They got Jello. I take it back,
Speaker 2: how this is good?
Speaker 1: This is fine? Yeah, this is fine. So, as the
Speaker 1: months after Joshua's disappearance ruled on, the scale of commitments
Speaker 1: expanded as cult members refused to turn away from their
Speaker 1: beliefs and reintegrate with society. The last of the cult
Speaker 1: to be institutionalized was Sarah hurt Ovi's wife, after he
Speaker 1: announced that she had been willing to sacrifice their adopted baby.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, actually, you know, and I said, we
Speaker 1: were never going to kill that baby. I actually had
Speaker 1: to stop my wife from killing that baby. And when
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let them do it, Joshuas was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we're not going to burn the baby alive, but you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to feed it or wash it.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hurt later said, quote, my wife and daughters
Speaker 1: came to believe that I was defiled and that this
Speaker 1: little one was defiled. At the suggestion of that viper.
Speaker 1: They talked of making the sacrifice of the child. They
Speaker 1: would have burned her, along with their clothing, their furniture,
Speaker 1: and the cats and dogs which they declared to be
Speaker 1: of this world and unfit to live. They were all crazy, yes, crazy.
Speaker 1: I was pleading, threatening and trying with all my power
Speaker 1: to bring my wife and daughters back to sanity, but
Speaker 1: without avail. And again this dude, who's generally considered to
Speaker 1: be like the nicest guy in town is then like
Speaker 1: I would, I would like to hurt Creyfield with a
Speaker 1: bullet if I could. It's just such like such a
Speaker 1: childish way of saying I want to shoot a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to kill him, but I woant to wound
Speaker 1: him with a guy.
Speaker 2: I just want to wound him, like in the knee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get him right in the knee.
Speaker 3: Fleshy part of the thigh or something. But like, you know,
Speaker 3: I want him to be okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want him to die. I'll take
Speaker 1: care of him after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can be friends. I just think
Speaker 2: he deserves a little bullet. Bullet, It's just a little bullet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, now after July or like so, Crayfield stays missing,
Speaker 1: everyone's fucking locked up. And then on July twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: when he's been missing, like four months something like.
Speaker 3: That, he bursts out of the center of the earth
Speaker 3: with the loveest man you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: That you literally called it. That is exactly what happens. Yes,
Speaker 1: so this is that's that's so funny.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I've called multiple different like acts.
Speaker 1: This is like, this one is weirdly exact because what
Speaker 1: happens is the Hurts adopted son, Roy is like looking
Speaker 1: for worms because he wants to go fishing, and the
Speaker 1: best way to do him he like goes under the
Speaker 1: foundation of the house to like dig for worms, and
Speaker 1: he like as he gets under there, he like looks
Speaker 1: up and he sees a naked, emaciated man with a
Speaker 1: wild beard like staring at him with crazy eyes. And eventually,
Speaker 1: because you know Roy's family was in the cult, He's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's Joshuama Crefield. He's naked and under
Speaker 1: he's been living under our house, not eating for three
Speaker 1: or four months.
Speaker 2: Just quietly whispering.
Speaker 1: That's almost exist. So it turns out that Maud and
Speaker 1: May had been feeding him. That's why they were like
Speaker 1: they would starve themselves, and they like, all eat, but
Speaker 1: only if you don't watch. They've been giving him their food, right,
Speaker 1: and then when they get institutionalized, he had started to starve.
Speaker 1: So Roy, obviously having a good head on his shoulders,
Speaker 1: calls the cops and is like, there's a cult leader
Speaker 1: living under my house. And the cops show up and
Speaker 1: they grab him and they're like, were you just gonna
Speaker 1: like stay there until you starve to death? And Crayfield
Speaker 1: was like, I went under the house because I was
Speaker 1: told to hide away by the Lord. I was crucified
Speaker 1: while I was there. God came to me. I was
Speaker 1: to suffer from my people. I was to die from
Speaker 1: hunger and from the cold.
Speaker 2: Soone's patting him on the back, all right, buddy, sure, yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Let's get you somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Are you hungry, you're hungry, let's go.
Speaker 1: Well, they do feed him next, so he gets he
Speaker 1: gets this is where I said, you were exactly right.
Speaker 1: They pull him out of this hole in the ground,
Speaker 1: naked and in broad daylight. The men of Corvallis, who
Speaker 1: have assembled to watch this, get to see why he's
Speaker 1: so popular, Because this dude is a hung leg of
Speaker 1: fucking stallion. Like the sheriff step you describes it as
Speaker 1: wonderfully endowed by Mona natcha.
Speaker 2: Oh I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone just just like collectively went, oh, okay, this
Speaker 3: all makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2: We should get my wife out of the insane side.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, they didn't say it was massive. Yeah, oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 1: So he gets taken to Portland. He's put in jail
Speaker 1: and like they feed him and stuff. He's given some
Speaker 1: time to regain his strength before they put him on trial,
Speaker 1: Sophie co writes quote. Appearing for Judge Alfred F. Sears,
Speaker 1: Crefield continued to speak as Joshua in court. He claimed
Speaker 1: that he did not need a lawyer and that God
Speaker 1: would will whatever was meant to happen. If he were
Speaker 1: found guilty, he would he would receive it joyfully. Donnas
Speaker 1: Starr admitted to the actions that Creffield was accused of,
Speaker 1: claiming that she was inspired by God and truly believed
Speaker 1: that relations with Creffield allowed her to purify herself. Four
Speaker 1: other witnesses testified against Creffield, claiming that not only had
Speaker 1: he committed adultery with many women, but also that was
Speaker 1: the reason that their mother's daughters and sisters were going
Speaker 1: insane was because he had made them brides of Christ.
Speaker 1: The evening Telegram described the courtroom as being crowded to
Speaker 1: all doors in all forenoon by staring morbid crowd bent
Speaker 1: on catching a glimpse of the religious rank.
Speaker 3: Now just the whole jury and judge while he's talking,
Speaker 3: are just staring at his pants, going, come on, I want.
Speaker 2: To see it.
Speaker 1: I want to see it, want to see in twitch
Speaker 1: like a cat's tale. So he acting as his own
Speaker 1: lawyer and justifying his crimes by saying he had to
Speaker 1: make brides of Christ. Doesn't in a winning strategy, doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, No, no, no. Crefield also refuses to call
Speaker 1: any witnesses in his defense, and instead he quotes the
Speaker 1: Bible repeatedly and describes as sex with Donna as a
Speaker 1: purification right. He is found guilty and sentenced to a
Speaker 1: bit less than two years in prison. He serves seventeen
Speaker 1: months and is let out early on good behavior and
Speaker 1: as thanks for performing community service. While inside, he moderates
Speaker 1: his behavior slightly and some people start to think like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe he's turning over a new leaf. But then as
Speaker 1: soon as he's let out, he gets right back together
Speaker 1: with his followers and the Hurt family. They've all been
Speaker 1: let out of the institution now, and he's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: let's all get back together, right God, I'm back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he had, you know, he had married Maud since
Speaker 1: he couldn't marry Esther, but they got divorced while he
Speaker 1: was in jail, so he remarries her as soon as
Speaker 1: they're out. She seems to be down with this. Maud
Speaker 1: is definitely one of the women who is all on
Speaker 1: board with this cult. So is Esther Mitchell. You know,
Speaker 1: she had been moved to Illinois to live with her
Speaker 1: absent and uncaring father, and as soon as she hears
Speaker 1: that Crefiel's out of jail, she moves right back to Oregon.
Speaker 1: So she has become even more devoted in her time
Speaker 1: away and would now tell anyone who would listen that
Speaker 1: Joshua is not just a prophet but God himself. Now
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear exactly how this all times out,
Speaker 1: but soon after this point, Joshua starts stops referring to
Speaker 1: himself as an apostle searching for the bride of Christ,
Speaker 1: and starts declaring himself to just be Jesus. Right, that's
Speaker 1: that's where we are now, right. I am the second
Speaker 1: Coming all that good stuff. Yeah, it's a third act.
Speaker 1: You know, he's uh, he's got to go there, he's
Speaker 1: got to go. There's nowhere else to go.
Speaker 2: But I am God.
Speaker 1: And you know what else signifies that we're in the
Speaker 1: third act? What our second dad break?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love ads, man, so do I. I love
Speaker 2: when they tell me what to buy. Oh that's my
Speaker 2: favorite because I don't know what to buy most of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Well that's like I guess I'll just buy drugs and
Speaker 3: they're like, no, have you ever thought of buying a lawnmower.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a meal box, a bed, a mattress.
Speaker 2: Exactly, or an online therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, check it all out, all of it. Buy everything.
Speaker 1: We're back back way, baby. So we're talking Jay Crizzy
Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield. So yeah, he's back. He's walking around and
Speaker 1: basically all of his cult members are like, life Share
Speaker 1: has sucked without you because it's Oregon in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 1: Can we join up again?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nobody else here has as good dick game. Let's get
Speaker 1: back into it, right, Sophie co writes quote as men
Speaker 1: were experiencing their wives and daughters, abandoning them to follow
Speaker 1: Craffield for a second time. Anger rose again among those
Speaker 1: in Corvallis. Many were plotting against Craffield, some half heartedly
Speaker 1: and some very seriously. Lewis Hartley, a father of one
Speaker 1: of the brides, attempted to shoot Craffield five times, but
Speaker 1: each time the gun failed to shoot a bullet. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a belief within the cult that Craffield being Joshua,
Speaker 1: could not be killed.
Speaker 2: So like, that's uh, that's not going to work out. Well,
Speaker 2: I can feel that. No, nope.
Speaker 1: And this is, by the way, the fact that this
Speaker 1: guy fails to shoot him six times is less miraculous
Speaker 1: than it may sound, because Hartley does not know anything
Speaker 1: about So he buys a thirty two caliber revolver, and
Speaker 1: then he buys thirty two caliber AMMO. But his revolver
Speaker 1: is a center fire revolver, and he buys rim fire
Speaker 1: thirty two caliber AMMO. And the difference between the two.
Speaker 1: So bullets have a thing called a primer in them, right,
Speaker 1: and the hammer strikes the primer, the primer ignites the
Speaker 1: gunpowder that makes bullet go right. Sure, most modern bullets
Speaker 1: are centerfire. So there's a little primer. If you look
Speaker 1: at the back of a bullet, there's this little silver
Speaker 1: thing that's the primer in the back of the bullet.
Speaker 1: Rim fire, it's on the rim. So if you're if
Speaker 1: you're shooting a rim fire bullet out of a center
Speaker 1: fire gun, the hammer, the firing pin is not going
Speaker 1: to hit the fucking primer, right, It.
Speaker 2: Just totally yeah, no, I get it now. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: the wrong bullet. I know about guns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is it. I just want to
Speaker 1: note it's not inexplicable, right, this guy bought the wrong bullet.
Speaker 2: You're saying, you're saying he's not God Robert because his hog. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got a god size houll.
Speaker 1: He does have a god sized hog. And fortunately the
Speaker 1: men of corvalis not arms experts, which really gonna work
Speaker 1: out for him.
Speaker 2: One god sized hog or a hundred hog sized gods?
Speaker 2: Oh man, keep going.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're havevelina sized I bet repeatedly killing
Speaker 1: like God in havevelina form would be delicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, yummers, yummers.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Crefield himself veers in this story between like
Speaker 1: again being this monster abusive monster and also being like
Speaker 1: kind of you have to you have to accept Again,
Speaker 1: all of these women were freed and spent two years
Speaker 1: not under his influence, and as soon as he came back,
Speaker 1: we're like, yes, this is much better than our lives.
Speaker 1: Let's go back, right. That's that's an undeniable aspect of
Speaker 1: this story. He is, of course, also a giant asshole.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that happens is they're all
Speaker 1: getting out of town together. The city of San Francisco
Speaker 1: burns to the ground after the nineteen oh six were earthquake,
Speaker 1: killing a shitload of people, and Joshua is like, I
Speaker 1: did that. I was angry at San Francisco, so I
Speaker 1: killed them all. I'll do it to Portland and Seattle
Speaker 1: if you fuck with us, I'll burn your cities down.
Speaker 1: San Francisco is a warning shot, motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he here's about a big fire and he goes like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: remember when I made fire?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was me. Yeah, it's very funny. So again,
Speaker 1: it remains up for debate how much Creffield really believed,
Speaker 1: but he seems to have been aware that this was
Speaker 1: a bluff because immediately after making this threat, he leads
Speaker 1: his cult on a star fation march out of town
Speaker 1: and towards the location on the Oregon coast along the
Speaker 1: Yatchetts River. Now along the way, Creffield's preferences for nudity increased,
Speaker 1: and so his followers basically don't bring any clothes with them.
Speaker 1: They have like one blanket for the whole group. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been to the coast
Speaker 1: of Oregon, but the dead in the dead of summer,
Speaker 1: it's not warm, right, Like it's a cold coaches. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's not a warm place. No, And it's it's warmer
Speaker 1: today than it would have been in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 1: So you have to think pretty cult miserable to be
Speaker 1: a naked person on the Oregon coast in nineteen oh six.
Speaker 1: So he leads them all to like literally the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere they have nothing, and then is like, all right,
Speaker 1: you guys stay here, I'm gonna go to Seattle with
Speaker 1: Maud and we're gonna like we're gonna figure some shit
Speaker 1: out right, We're gonna.
Speaker 2: Like start a band. Yeah, it's just chill here for
Speaker 2: a bit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find you guys a new home. No, worry.
Speaker 1: So by this point the men of corp Vallis are
Speaker 1: shitting themselves with rage. Two men who had family in
Speaker 1: the cult, George Mitchell and Edwin Baldwin, armed themselves and
Speaker 1: set off on separate vengeance quests to kill Joshua. Mitchell
Speaker 1: is the one who proves most adept at the task,
Speaker 1: tracking maud Heart to Seattle and Hurt to Seattle and
Speaker 1: sneaking around until he he spots the Messiah and his
Speaker 1: wife outside of a convenience store. So he they're like
Speaker 1: milling around outside of the fucking well. It's uh, it's
Speaker 1: the Northwest. That's side of the plaid pantry, and so
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have those in Washington whatever.
Speaker 1: Maybe is seven to eleven, he pulls out a revolver
Speaker 1: and he shoots it. Edmund Joshua Creffield fucking dead.
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, yeah, he gets to eat those Halapano
Speaker 2: cream trees.
Speaker 1: Rollers, Yeah nah, he sure doesn't. He shared does.
Speaker 2: Comes out and there were two for three point thirty three.
Speaker 2: They're really good.
Speaker 1: So he is not a good dude. I should say
Speaker 1: this right now, Mitchell, because his primary complaint with Creffield
Speaker 1: is that by sleeping with his sisters, Joshua had ruined them, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so again, nobody's not no clear good guy here, sure,
Speaker 1: Sophie worse, Yeah, yeah, one is worse. One is worse.
Speaker 1: Sophie co analyzes this further. The fact that women were
Speaker 1: still considered the lesser sex created a role that helped
Speaker 1: make an enemy out of Creffield while withholding any power
Speaker 1: given to his female followers for straying from their social role.
Speaker 1: Arguments of the time included that by leaving their home
Speaker 1: and husband overtaxed their brains and their mental agitation caused
Speaker 1: wounds that would never heal. Women were not blamed, however,
Speaker 1: for leaving their families in previous lives. There was a
Speaker 1: general agreement throughout the public, impressed that these brides of
Speaker 1: Christ were not to blame for their misguided devotion to
Speaker 1: him because by nature they were weak creatures easily led astray.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, there's a lie.
Speaker 1: You know, Wow, Sophie's giving you quite a lok. Just kiddy,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 3: So Mitchell so easily digmatized role fucking clearly.
Speaker 1: So No, that's Mitchell ghost on Mitchell Ghosts on trial
Speaker 1: at Seattle and officials in Portland try to extrad dite him.
Speaker 1: They're like, we should try him here because his crimes
Speaker 1: were mostly here except for the murder part. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, so they were like, yeah, they try to
Speaker 1: extradite him, but everyone in Washington is like, no, you
Speaker 1: can't let them hold the trial in Oregon. They'll just
Speaker 1: murder the man. Everyone in Oregon is too lawless and
Speaker 1: anarchic for a real trial. And in fact, there's a
Speaker 1: quote from some Washington prosecutors that in Oregon, lynch, mobs
Speaker 1: and anarchy rule. So again, nothing has changed. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: at all has changed. Yeah, it's all exactly the same.
Speaker 1: So they have the trial here, and despite the fact
Speaker 1: that Mitchell had absolutely committed the crime, he was declared
Speaker 1: not guilty basically because everyone of the jury was like, well,
Speaker 1: I would have done the same thing in his shoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This winds up not being a good thing for
Speaker 1: George Mitchell, though, because the jury had been debating not
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity, insanity, or guilty right. If
Speaker 1: it had been not guilty by reason of insanity, he
Speaker 1: would have been remanded to state custody. As it was,
Speaker 1: he walks out of court a free man, right, this
Speaker 1: is going to be a problem for him because his
Speaker 1: sister is Esther, right yeah, and Esther. So Esther's like, hey, brother,
Speaker 1: let's meet up at the trade station to talk about
Speaker 1: you killing my cult leader.
Speaker 2: And so he had to know this, he had to know.
Speaker 1: So he shows up and Esther shoots him in the
Speaker 1: back of the head with the pocket pistol, just fucking
Speaker 1: guns her brother down. Now, you won't be surprised to
Speaker 1: hear this becomes quite a story in the media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the newspapers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're finally, they're like, finally, we don't have
Speaker 3: to write about a fucking bicyclist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was you know, the newspaper
Speaker 1: wants the news, like keeps interviewing her. They want her
Speaker 1: to say God told me to do it or whatever,
Speaker 1: or I was in a religious frenzy. But all she'll
Speaker 1: say is like, I did the same thing my brother did. Right,
Speaker 1: the law is inadequate to the task of punishing a
Speaker 1: murderer because he was acquitted. So I did the same
Speaker 1: thing to him that he did to Crayfield. And she
Speaker 1: uses kind of the same justification your brother has done. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she'd also pointed out that like my brother did what
Speaker 1: Like my brother accused Jeff like Craffield of making me
Speaker 1: into a fornicator, but by claiming that that he did
Speaker 1: the same thing that he was saying, Craffield died to me.
Speaker 1: He got me branded a fornicator in society and ruined
Speaker 1: my reputation. She insisted that Craffield never had sex with her,
Speaker 1: and yeah, this is uh, she kind of has a
Speaker 1: point that, like.
Speaker 3: She does kind of a point here, Yeah, Like she
Speaker 3: is not wrong about this, right, Yeah. I mean it's
Speaker 3: a hell of a way to make a point with it.
Speaker 1: It's quite a point. Yeah, but she's not incorrect here.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, people you know have gone through yeah,
Speaker 3: far less to make an argument. Yes, I'm glad that
Speaker 3: she uh went all the way there.
Speaker 1: I guess I guess what we're saying is, we're proud
Speaker 1: of you, esther.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're proud of you. Yeah. Stuck up for your man, yeah,
Speaker 2: stuck up for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, bad pick on the man, but good
Speaker 1: and you for sticking up for yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And honestly, good for you for pointing out hypocrisy,
Speaker 3: which I think is always that's.
Speaker 1: The most important part. So esther refuses to claim insanity,
Speaker 1: the state forces it on her anyway, because we don't
Speaker 1: care what a woman says.
Speaker 2: Of course, she's not going to say she's crazy. We're
Speaker 2: the state, yep.
Speaker 1: So she gets committed to an asylum and yeah, eventually
Speaker 1: she gets out after a couple of years, and she's,
Speaker 1: you know, living at a family friend's place after getting
Speaker 1: out of the asylum and takes a massive dose of
Speaker 1: strychnine and commits suicide. Oh geez, Maud Hurt does the
Speaker 1: same thing right right after the trial. So like, the
Speaker 1: two women who are closest to Craffield killed themselves as
Speaker 1: soon as they possibly can. And that's the end of
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: And that is the story of Pete Davidson. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: man with the magic cock.
Speaker 1: He would Pete Davidson would have been murdered by a
Speaker 1: small town in Oregon if like, if he was had
Speaker 1: been alive in nineteen oh six. There's no other way,
Speaker 1: there's no other way. Probably would have been corn alice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not even that funny. Kate beckl say, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 3: No, people are reacting to him throughout the story exactly
Speaker 3: like I react. That's a new girlfriend. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: like that motherfucker better have ten dicks. That is like,
Speaker 3: that is such a wild story because of the fact that,
Speaker 3: like the dick reveal.
Speaker 1: Pos's all in a perspective, Yeah, this mysterious man. Is
Speaker 1: he a hypnotist? I don't know. And then you see
Speaker 1: his huge Oh okay.
Speaker 3: Oh it's like I love that they pulled out a
Speaker 3: really skinny guy in his massive hog and they were
Speaker 3: just like, ah, he's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like the whole crowd is silent, and then suddenly like
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's bad in some way, not all in this way,
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Speaker 2: Way, most not in that way. Yeah.
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