WEBVTT - Part Two: The Holy Rollers Sex Cult 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.120 Wolz Media. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.880 Oh kay, dope, Albert's just like dry eating like. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.360 A whole a whole piece of paper sized sheet of seaweed. 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.840 I don't even think you've chewed, You're just inhaling the seaweed. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.079 Oh No, seaweed turns to a sweet, sweet liquid in 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.280 your mouth. That's good stuff. Yeah, that's going to really 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:34.000 piss off a significant chunk of the audience. Speaking of 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:44.240 a significant chunk of the audience, Metley. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:45.959 I'm back, baby, Wow, got no thing. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.639 Wow, thank you. I was really really had been. We've 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.920 been waiting for years to have Nick Cave come in 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.120 as a as a guest on our podcast and just 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:06.160 thrilled to have him. Thank you, Nick. Oh, I love 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.240 I love that you. Uh yeah great. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:10.679 Watch Peaky Blinders. 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.160 Oh, man, that's such a banger. Oh, Nick Cave just 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.120 a ton of bangers. I'm always a murder ballads guy. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.920 But mmmm yeah, I mean listen, he's a very talented, talented, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:22.800 deep voiced man. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:24.880 Yeah. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.880 But Peaky Blinders, now that's a god damn. That's a 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:28.720 great show man. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.600 Yeah. Peaky Blinders, which is about children, right, It's. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.520 About you know, roma people, but there are children in it. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.319 There's children in it, and there's also children in Portland 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.640 and you help them have access to a museum by 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.680 texting Bastards to five oh one five five to donate 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:48.840 to the Flip Museum. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.200 I could have helped you with that transition. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.000 Were happening, but I was like, well, I mean it's 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.440 not really well, children just decided to get but to 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.320 get that moment. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.080 Yeah, there's there's there's kids all over the place. Sure, 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.160 in most places except for in this cult, which is well, 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.880 actually a lot of them are children. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:12.000 but you know, let's get back to the story. So 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.040 Joshua Craffield, as we kind of closed out the last 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.480 episode with, I don't really feel strongly that he was 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.120 necessarily worse than the surrounding society. This is one of 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.080 those cases where not really a clear good guy, right, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.359 but he was a pretty He was still an abusive 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.280 cult leader, right right, because it is a cult. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.720 Leader leader that with it, I think not a good 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.000 guy is kind of relative the cult leader. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.520 I think we can say you make your judgment for yourself. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.120 Yeah yeah. So one of the things about him as 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.320 a cult leader is that he decides after he starts 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.680 having sex with everyone that he has been given quote, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.200 the authority to regulate the details of their daily life. Now, 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.000 his first new rule is quote, everything except the light 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.760 of the day is a shoot, which means no lamps, 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.520 no fires, and no electric lights. Right, nothing but daylight. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.720 Anything else, and you're angering God. I think it might 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.600 have been still okay to navigate via like the fires 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.560 caused by lightning strikes, but I don't know if this 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.000 ever got brought up to him. Not a lot of 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.600 lightning in Oregon, right. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.240 I mean? And also, how often are you going to 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.160 be put in that position? 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:19.840 Yeah? 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:20.200 Right? 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:21.360 So. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.160 Joshua had also declared back on the island that sins 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.799 had to be atoned for by having his followers roll 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.640 on the ground until he ordered them to stop. This 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.280 is incorporated into their day long prayer sessions. Creffield also 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.200 started telling his followers that God only would speak to 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.640 them when they were rolling around on the ground, and 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.040 that the way to welcome him in was to shout 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.680 prayers as loudly as possible while again rolling around. If 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.760 you don't do this, then God's going to smite you. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.720 And again, these are like twenty four hour sessions. Now 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.880 you probably won't be surprised to hear. This makes quite 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.920 a ruckus, and it was noted that like neighbors as 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.760 far as a quarter of a mile away from the 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.240 Hurtz house could hear them rolling around and screaming all 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.640 night long when they would do these day long sessions. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.960 Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not exactly an inconspicuous 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:08.760 way of praying. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:09.440 No no. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.760 Joshua next announced that he had to sanctify their food 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.680 by touching it with his hands. He exercised extreme discrimination 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.920 and what was worthy of sanctification though, So not only 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.760 did he have to sanctify your food, but he would 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.039 decide what he was willing to sanctify, and if he 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.200 didn't sanctify food for a week, you couldn't eat. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:34.560 No, that's my hamburger, let me touch it. No, God 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:39.839 doesn't want you to have this. I love it. He's 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.159 just everyone's big brother. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.200 Yeah, just jacking their food. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.480 Stealing from them and saying God, he's. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:56.520 The professor from that. I think you should leave that. Yeah, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.960 that is exactly what he's doing. God, that is that 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.520 is quite funny. So if he doesn't sanctify food, then 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.560 you can't eat, right, So like one week he'd be 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.320 like God, has only approved me to sanctify bread and 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.400 water because he wants you to know what it's like 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.640 to be hungry. And then the next week he's like, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.599 you don't know enough yet, so I'm not sanctifying everything. 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.640 You can't even have water. And then when people be like, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.800 but we we want water, please don't why why are 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.520 we starving it and ourselves, he would be like, if 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.520 you don't do this, God's going to take me away, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.000 Like he'll make me leave if you guys don't starve 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:31.920 yourselves this week. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.200 So yeah, God will get rid of the last good 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.000 dick you've ever seen. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.920 And they're like, oh fuck, yeah. Can't let the. 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.799 Kind of where this is headed because next from Holy 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.160 Rollers quote, Joshua ruled that men, women, and children were 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.160 all to sleep together on the floor in the same 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.800 room while wearing little clothing. They were to do this so, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.200 according to Joshua, they wouldn't know cold, or so so 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.440 they would know cold. Joshua established rules about whom they 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.039 could community kate with. If someone wasn't one of God's 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.480 anointed refused to accept the gift of spirit, Joshua told 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.159 them to have no dealings with the infidels, even if 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.680 the infidels were members of their own families. So he's 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.280 he's isolating everybody. He's now much more directly breaking up families. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.880 And this creates a problem because Crefield and his cult 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.840 are now living at the Hurt family house. And while 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.599 Maud and most of the rest of the Hurt family, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.080 you know, Maud, her brother, one of her sisters, her mom, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:31.560 they've all joined Joshua's cult. Their father, the patriarch of 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.000 the family, Ov Hurt, and the owner of the house, 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.760 has not joined the cult, right he has refused to. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.160 He's letting them all crash here because he doesn't want 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.599 his daughter to like freeze to death in the woods. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.680 But he is not in the cult. And Crefield has 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.960 just said, you have to like shun everyone who's not 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.440 in the cult. And this is kind of it. It's 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:53.680 kind of sad because like in our whole story, Ov 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.039 Hurt is the only nice guy, like everyone in town 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.240 basically agrees he was just like a really helpful kind man. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.120 And he again, he had agreed to let the cult 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.280 live on his family because he loved his family so much. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.080 And he's like, I don't understand what you're doing, but 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.919 I don't want you to die in the cold, please 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.600 come in with me. Cheryl'll take your cult leader too. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.920 And Joshua we call that enabling. He is he is enabling, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.000 and Joshua punishes him for it because he's like, I 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.000 know that we're living in his house, but you all 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:23.960 have to shun your dad. Don't call you can't call 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.760 him dad. God's God's the only fan. There's only one 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:27.440 dad here. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:28.040 It's me. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:37.160 Call him the Black Devil. Yeah, very wild shit. And 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.440 he's like, you need to tell him whenever you have 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.800 a chance, that God's going to kill him, right, Like, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.760 don't call him your dad and let him knowing he's 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.760 going to be punished. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.000 Yeah, call him the black Devil and that God wants 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.520 him dad. Yeah, but you know, have a regular relationship. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:52.760 I don't want to tell you otherwise. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.240 Sure don't be yeah, now, as you probably would not 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.120 be surprised to hear. This is kind of a bummer 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.440 for ov, right, not a happy way to live. So 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.280 by the end of October, he gives in and he's like, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.000 fuck it, I'll join the cult. What else am I 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.360 going to do? Life is terrible? Otherwise, he quits his job. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.680 He sends them like his two weeks notice, and he's like, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.160 I now realize I've been living in sin and I'm 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.200 going to go join a cult. And he puts a 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.080 note on his front door that says positively, no admittance 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.720 except on God's business, which I also have on my 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.240 front door. Different God, Sure, different God, Think deeper, think older, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:32.920 more underwater. Anyway, the Holy Rollers are overjoyed that OV 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.720 has joined them, and like all of us, they knew 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.559 the best way to express their joy was by lighting 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.559 shit on fire, which they did using all of Ovi's 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.360 possessions as kindling. So they take once he joins, they 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.360 take everything he owns, his carpets, his beds, is she 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.320 his like precious family heirlooms, his like things he'd inherited 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.040 from his dad, family photos, and they light them on fire. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.920 They build a big bonfire, and they're like, this shit's car, 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.480 so we have to burn it. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:03.080 God, damn it. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:09.160 You just yeah, this poor motherfucker. Now, Frank, the guy 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.960 who had made the newspaper because he rode his bike 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.120 to Oregon City, he throws his bike on the pire 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:17.840 right because he's in the colt, so he has to 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.160 burn his bicycle as carnal and once they finished with 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.080 the furniture, the Colt digs up all the flowers and 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.280 grape vines and fruit trees their garden and they burn 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.120 that too. Last, they take all of the family livestock, 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.560 their chickens, as well as the pet cat and dog 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:34.680 and burn them alive. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.520 Yeah all right, I officially don't like it. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.160 Yes, now, now we're onto the monster part. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.440 Right. Listen, you can fuck my wife all you want, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.640 but you leave my kid cat out of this. You 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:45.640 son them a bitch. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.520 Yeah, so that's good, although there's some debate as to 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.880 whether or not the animals were alive when this happens. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.960 So okay, I don't know, imagine that it's the less 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:55.720 horrible option. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:10:00.480 I guess yeah. I like him again, my wife. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.079 So they decide next that they should march on another 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.880 family home, the Hartley Residents. Warren Hartley is again not 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.199 a follower of the cult, but his wife and daughter 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.559 are so like his wife and daughter. Well, he's like 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.680 a way at work, start lighting his shit on a 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:18.959 fire and when he comes back, he like gets a shotgun, 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.040 like fuck you guys, right, And so this whole brew 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.840 haha obviously makes the local papers kind of a kind 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.120 of a wild thing to happen in your small city. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.920 Did he shoot anybody with the gun? 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.960 He doesn't, sho, No, he should have, Yeah, but he 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.679 does not, probably because it was his family doing a 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:39.400 lot of the burning. 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:40.599 Right. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.640 So this becomes enough of a story that like several 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.640 thousand Oregonians travel from nearby to like drive and walk 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.080 past the house where this is all happening, just to 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.440 be like, maybe we'll get to see a crazy person. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.320 You know, there's not much going on in Oregon at 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:56.760 this point. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.040 We very dressed. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.480 This enough guy burning a bunch of shit with a 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:07.400 shotgun nearby is like literally watching nineteen ninety seven's The Titanic. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.000 Yeah, hey, honey, you know how our lives are unendurable drudgery. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.360 Let's risk them by traveling eighteen hours by foot to 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.520 look at a crazy man. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.319 Wow, look at them, Bud. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.680 This was worth both of our sons dying of tetanus 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:22.200 on the road. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.040 I hate my child, but it's fun to see that 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.920 that lady has almost got a titties. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.319 How she's dancing oor agaon. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.840 So this had all gone so oh sorry, So yeah, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.800 this becomes like a whole thing and a rumor starts 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.880 to spread right based on the fact that they burnt 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.480 their pets on this pire that an adopted child had 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.840 also been like because the Hurts have a kid they 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.680 adopted and no one is able like they no one's 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.400 seen the kid in a while, so they're like a 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.760 shit the coat light a baby on fire because Crayfield 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.680 has been preaching that this adopted child they like, you know, 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.360 you spend some money on the adoption process, right, so 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.480 that makes this child profane and of the world and 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:13.600 thus not worth a living dickhead. Yeah, he's really made 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:14.320 a heel turn. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.000 Now I don't like him. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:22.240 Yeah, good stuff. So Craffield has not gone that far, thankfully. No, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.440 no children get lit on fire as far as we're 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.480 aware of. No kids die in the story, in fact, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.920 which makes it fairly rare among behind the bathrooms. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.320 Yeah, I know this is new for you. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.079 Yeah, celebrate a cut kid not dying in this by 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.760 donating to the Portland's Children's Missus please right, yeah five 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.880 oh one five five text there then you can donate. Bam, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.240 that's a fucking plug. Well, Craffield has not lit a 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.320 baby on fire. The rumor is widely believed enough that 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.440 the police have to make a welfare check. And not 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.600 very pro police here, but like, yeah, you probably want 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.319 to check up on that jarlit and cats and rugs 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:01.800 on fire. They might kill a baby. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.560 There's no way to know. I mean, what else is 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.880 your job? You know what I mean? Right? Like you 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.280 like that's a part of it. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.960 Is like, hey, we got a loose cannon in the neighborhood, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.959 fucking all the wives pets. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.120 Maybe maybe we take a look at this. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.600 Ye, let's just give a little knocking knock on the 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:19.880 door here and see if. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.480 Show up at the hurt house and OV lets them 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.720 in and they they enter to find the house empty 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.160 because everything's been burned. All the furniture has been burned, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.920 and all of the rollers are lying near naked in 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.040 a pile in an empty room like weeping. Some of 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.720 them are crying, some of them are laughing, all of 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.480 them are chanting loudly in prayer. A lot of them 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:44.199 are rolling around. They seem kind of like manic and crazy, right, sure, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.319 none of them have eaten in days. They all look 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:50.680 exhausted and like starving. So the police are like, well, yeah, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.800 this does seem like it could be a problem, But 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.400 OV takes them to the adopted daughter, and so like, well, 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.280 the kid's not dead. And so next they're like, did 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:03.560 you guys kill your pets in a bonfire? And Frank Hurt, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.640 who's Ov's son and also in the cult, is like, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.960 we killed a dog and cat. I admit, but we 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.959 did so because we wanted to get rid of them 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.959 but failed. Yeah, no, no, no, that's better. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.440 Yeah, listen, we tried to get rid of them. The 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:18.960 cat came back, you know the song, and sometimes the 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.000 cat comes back, you got. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:20.400 To burn it. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.800 Yeah. Yeah, they did a real homeword bound thing, so 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.560 we had to fucking light them on fire. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:32.000 The alternative endings, that would be a really different movie 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.080 if at the end of that the family is like 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.920 the direct the animals followed us. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.400 Studio note is useful. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.440 So yeah, the cops that ask did you, like, did 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.600 you sacrifice these animals? And Crayfield is like, no, no, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.200 we didn't sacrifice the animals, but that would be weird. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.760 and and and Frank says, we have no loss except 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.320 the Bible. You find nothing like that in the Bible. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.760 And Ov is like, yeah, we killed the dog, but 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.360 it was like a bad dog. It wouldn't obey orders, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:09.600 and so we had sentences to death for its disobedience. Right, right, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:10.880 We had a trial. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.600 We had another dog as judge. It was a jer 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.080 of its fears, a bunch of other dogs barking and shit. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.280 And this is this is this concerns the sheriff because again, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.320 ov is this nice man, like, he's not the kind 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:23.840 of guy to murder his dog. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.600 But you know, a nice guy, you know, not the 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:27.320 dog murdering. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.360 Yeah, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.480 would kill his dog on a fire. Who character, Yes, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.320 it seems kind of weird for you, man, which I 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.480 guess it's nice to be known as not the kind 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.280 of guy who would do. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:41.120 I love that. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.560 Yeah, put that on a resume. Yeah, probably not the 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.560 kind of guy who would light a dog on fire. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:48.720 Yeah, exactly. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.640 Yeah. So the police asked next, hey, if God told 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.200 you that you were supposed to murder your small adopted child, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.040 would you do that? And Creffield's like, well, you know, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.400 it's impossible for me to sin since God is scripting 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.920 every action that I take. So if I were to 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.800 burn a child, it wouldn't be wrong. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.040 Now, well, he tells us to the cops. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:11.600 He tells this to the cops. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:13.680 Dude, I like, he's going for it. 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.080 He's going for it, right, going for it. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.280 That is unsettling and honestly probably should be caused for 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.440 some sort of action being taken against you. But it's 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.280 not illegal, right. The cops are like, well, he has 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.760 not committed a crime, right, Like, there's nothing illegal about 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.720 killing your own pets, and there's nothing illegal about saying 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.760 that it wouldn't be wrong for you to murder a 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.640 child if you haven't murdered the child. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.440 Yeah, you're like, I don't know if it's I mean, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.200 I guess it's a First Amendment issue here. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.760 Yeah, there's a lot going on here. 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.480 I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.560 Obviously we live in an organ with a little bit 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.120 of like, uh, whites only whatever. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.520 But yeah, yeah, I don't know. 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.520 So nineteen oh three not being a high point for 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.120 animal rights. There's nothing the police can do legally here 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.560 right now. Obviously the Oregon police have acted illegally an 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.520 awful lot in this period. Most of them are in 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.840 the KKK and like ten years or so when that 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.240 comes through, so like they're part of why they're not 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.800 willing to do this is like, these are white Christians, right, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.680 so like what are we supposed to do? So instead 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.359 of doing anything, the cops are like, well, we can't 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.720 arrest you, but like we should. Let you know, all 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.879 the men in town are really angry and they are 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.160 talking about forming a posse and maybe tarring and feathering 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.639 all of the men running this cult. So you know, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.479 heads up and you will not be surprised to hear. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.159 Joshua does not change his behavior as a result of 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.480 this warning, because again, part of what he's been preaching 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.280 is that once we start teaching the true Gospel, all 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.920 of the everyone's gonna hate us. Right, This is within 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.119 his co religious cosmology to be expected. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:51.040 Right. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.119 The negative attention guy, the more negative attention he gets, 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.280 the more he's like, I'm. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.320 Right, yeah, they're trying to cancel. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:02.160 Us for cancel call culture where you can't just burn 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.360 your pets and fuck everyone's wife, you know, right, right day, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.280 politically correct man, Portland, Oregon town. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.960 That's you know what, Matt, that's a great new don't 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.000 tread on me flag, like you still have the snake 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.000 in the middle, but instead don't treat on me. It's 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:23.920 like kill your pets, fuck your wives. Good stuff, good stuff. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.040 So after this point, after this police visit ends in nothing, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.480 harassment of the cult begins by locals. Right, gangs of 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.000 men in the night start running up and like hurling 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.879 rocks through the house windows, banging on the door, and 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:42.240 then running off. One father kidnaps back his daughter. Now, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.400 when I say he kidnaps her, she is twenty two 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.360 years old, right, So assuming now legally are women are 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.280 not independent in this short in time, right, they can't 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.800 even vote, So I don't know what the law would 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.760 say about this, but like she's twenty two years old 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.400 in the society, she wants to be here. He does 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.800 steal her, right, right, and he ties her to her 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.120 bed in his house to keep her from going back. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.200 She spends days like not sleeping, screaming, refusing to eat. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.760 But like it's it is pretty bad. Again, not a 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.119 clear good guy in this story. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.719 Yeah, and tied her down so she can't even roll. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.560 Yeah, she can't roll, right, God's gonna be pissed. 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.320 Yeah, she's like going through dts from not rolling. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.360 Yeah. So eventually Crefield and one of his top men, Brooks, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.720 flee like flee town to try to avoid because they 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.919 think they're gonna get murdered and try to shack up 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.680 at a random house in a nearby town called Wren 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.840 and they're like, knock on this old lady's door. News 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.080 does not purcole it quickly, so she doesn't know who 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.600 they are. She just sees two dirty guys coming off 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.840 the road being like, hey, we need a place to 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.199 stay for the night. You know, we're starving, and you know, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.199