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Speaker 1: Wolz Media.

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Speaker 2: Oh kay, dope, Albert's just like dry eating like.

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Speaker 1: A whole a whole piece of paper sized sheet of seaweed.

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Speaker 2: I don't even think you've chewed, You're just inhaling the seaweed.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, seaweed turns to a sweet, sweet liquid in

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Speaker 1: your mouth. That's good stuff. Yeah, that's going to really

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Speaker 1: piss off a significant chunk of the audience. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: a significant chunk of the audience, Metley.

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Speaker 3: I'm back, baby, Wow, got no thing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you. I was really really had been. We've

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Speaker 1: been waiting for years to have Nick Cave come in

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Speaker 1: as a as a guest on our podcast and just

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Speaker 1: thrilled to have him. Thank you, Nick. Oh, I love

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Speaker 1: I love that you. Uh yeah great.

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Speaker 2: Watch Peaky Blinders.

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Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's such a banger. Oh, Nick Cave just

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Speaker 1: a ton of bangers. I'm always a murder ballads guy.

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Speaker 3: But mmmm yeah, I mean listen, he's a very talented, talented,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But Peaky Blinders, now that's a god damn. That's a

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Speaker 3: great show man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Peaky Blinders, which is about children, right, It's.

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Speaker 2: About you know, roma people, but there are children in it.

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Speaker 1: There's children in it, and there's also children in Portland

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Speaker 1: and you help them have access to a museum by

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Speaker 1: texting Bastards to five oh one five five to donate

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Speaker 1: to the Flip Museum.

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Speaker 2: I could have helped you with that transition.

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Speaker 3: Were happening, but I was like, well, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's there's kids all over the place. Sure,

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Speaker 1: in most places except for in this cult, which is well,

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Speaker 1: but you know, let's get back to the story. So

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Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield, as we kind of closed out the last

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Speaker 1: but he was a pretty He was still an abusive

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Speaker 3: Leader leader that with it, I think not a good

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Speaker 2: I think we can say you make your judgment for yourself.

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Speaker 1: the authority to regulate the details of their daily life. Now,

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Speaker 1: his first new rule is quote, everything except the light

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Speaker 1: Anything else, and you're angering God. I think it might

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Speaker 2: I mean? And also, how often are you going to

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Speaker 1: Joshua had also declared back on the island that sins

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Speaker 1: And again, these are like twenty four hour sessions. Now

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Speaker 1: The professor from that. I think you should leave that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And Joshua we call that enabling. He is he is enabling,

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Speaker 1: and Joshua punishes him for it because he's like, I

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Speaker 1: Call him the Black Devil. Yeah, very wild shit. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, call him the black Devil and that God wants

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell you otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Sure don't be yeah, now, as you probably would not

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Speaker 1: front door. Different God, Sure, different God, Think deeper, think older,

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Speaker 1: more underwater. Anyway, the Holy Rollers are overjoyed that OV

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, now we're onto the monster part.

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Speaker 2: Right. Listen, you can fuck my wife all you want,

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I like him again, my wife.

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Speaker 1: So they decide next that they should march on another

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Speaker 1: are so like his wife and daughter. Well, he's like

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Speaker 1: like fuck you guys, right, And so this whole brew

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Speaker 1: haha obviously makes the local papers kind of a kind

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Speaker 1: of a wild thing to happen in your small city.

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Speaker 2: Did he shoot anybody with the gun?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't, sho, No, he should have, Yeah, but he

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So this becomes enough of a story that like several

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Speaker 1: You know, there's not much going on in Oregon at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, honey, you know how our lives are unendurable drudgery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. So Craffield has not gone that far, thankfully. No,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, we tried to get rid of them. The

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Speaker 4: The alternative endings, that would be a really different movie

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the cops that ask did you, like, did

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Speaker 3: We had another dog as judge. It was a jer

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Speaker 1: And this is this is this concerns the sheriff because again,

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Speaker 2: But you know, a nice guy, you know, not the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put that on a resume. Yeah, probably not the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the police asked next, hey, if God told

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Speaker 2: Now, well, he tells us to the cops.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I like, he's going for it.

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Speaker 1: That is unsettling and honestly probably should be caused for

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Speaker 1: not committed a crime, right, Like, there's nothing illegal about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, I don't know if it's I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a free speech absolutist.

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Speaker 1: So nineteen oh three not being a high point for

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Speaker 1: Joshua does not change his behavior as a result of

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The negative attention guy, the more negative attention he gets,

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they're trying to cancel.

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Speaker 3: Us for cancel call culture where you can't just burn

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Speaker 1: That's you know what, Matt, that's a great new don't

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Speaker 1: So after this point, after this police visit ends in nothing,

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Speaker 1: But like it's it is pretty bad. Again, not a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she can't roll, right, God's gonna be pissed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So eventually Crefield and one of his top men, Brooks,

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Speaker 2: Lady. You know what, she's got a good head on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need yeah, some lumberjacks and suns.

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Speaker 1: So Crefield and this other guy returned to the herd

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Speaker 1: And then this friend is his daughter's former fiance, James. Right,

438
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Speaker 1: they got the rich guy we heard about earlier. So

439
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Speaker 1: James is like, why don't we take a drive.

440
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Speaker 3: You look like you needed man to not be around

441
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: the ashes of your form.

442
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,719
Speaker 1: So as soon as he gets away from this, he's like,

443
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I don't want to be in a cult, man,

444
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: this is this is terrible. I made a horrible mistake.

445
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 1: And so he returns home now de radicalized. I guess

446
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: just in time to learn like everyone else, that God

447
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: has given another message to Joshua Craffield is pointed great,

448
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: and I bet you're not going to be surprised to

449
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: hear that messages you should marry a sixteen year old.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was going yeah, that's always

451
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 5: where this was.

452
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: Ends, always where it's going to end up.

453
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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of roundabout ways that people

454
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Speaker 3: try to eventually marry a sixteen year old, and this

455
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Speaker 3: is one.

456
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Speaker 1: Well that's that's the thing for all of this, the

457
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Speaker 1: enjoyment that I have about the concept of sex cults.

458
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: Whenever you're talking sex holt, there is a moment in

459
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Speaker 1: which the leader is going to marry a sixteen year old.

460
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Speaker 1: And that's every one of these stories. I've read a

461
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Speaker 1: lot of them.

462
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Speaker 3: It always goes in that direction. And it's just like

463
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Speaker 3: every single time you've ruined sex cults.

464
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Speaker 1: For me, yeah, exactly. It's really we need a new

465
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Speaker 1: non problematic sex quest.

466
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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's like an ethical sex cult where you know,

467
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Speaker 3: sent is key.

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's none of this.

469
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Speaker 1: Let's just say the minimum age twenty eight, right, We're

470
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Speaker 1: really going to go in above the line, you know, right.

471
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Speaker 1: I think this is I think we can make a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of money. Just do it.

473
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Speaker 2: Let's get that island, Robert, Let's do it.

474
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Speaker 1: This is a good idea. This is a good idea.

475
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: So so yeah, the sixteen year old that God has

476
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: told Joshua Crefield to marry is a cult member named

477
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Speaker 1: Esther Mitchell, and so he's like, yep, we're gonna get hitched.

478
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: God says it. She's gonna be the new Mary. But

479
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: before this can all happen, Esther's sister commits her to

480
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: an insane asylum in Portland, which is again, everything about

481
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: all of this story is problematic, right, Like, involuntary commitment

482
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: is a huge part of what's going to happen, not

483
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Speaker 1: just to Esther here but the asylum. Because she's too

484
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Speaker 1: young for the straight up insane asylum, she's sent to

485
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Speaker 1: the Boys and Girls Aid Society, which is both like

486
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Speaker 1: if you're an orphan. If you're like a homeless youth,

487
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Speaker 1: it's where you'll go. But it's also where kids who

488
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Speaker 1: are declared insane go because they can't go to the

489
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Speaker 1: adult asylum quite yet.

490
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Speaker 2: Right.

491
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Speaker 1: This is again a lot that's problematic about this, and

492
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Speaker 1: Esther fights like hell. As soon as she's institutionalized for days,

493
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Speaker 1: she would refuse to eat. She would just shout glory

494
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: to God and other such things. Her brother, this is

495
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Speaker 1: one of the Her brother George visits her and is like, hey,

496
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: me and your other brother, we really love you. We

497
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: want you to come home. And she was like, you

498
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: are only my brother's in name.

499
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Speaker 2: Ah.

500
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll definitely fuck you up. That is not a

501
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: cool thing to say.

502
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah you're well, you're fucking bitch.

503
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: That's what I would have said. Yeah, yeah, well you're

504
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: fucking stupid.

505
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has reason to be angry, let's not anyway,

506
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: It's it's messy. So Esther may have been the most

507
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Speaker 1: dedicated of Crefield's believers. One night, she told the matron

508
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Speaker 1: of the facility that she's stuck at that God had

509
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: started speaking directly to her, and the matron for whatever

510
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: whatever she says. The woman who runs this is like,

511
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Speaker 1: I think she is going to murder one of the

512
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: other children. Yeah, we need to go Yeah, not unfair.

513
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't think she's reasonable.

514
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

515
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all of this enrages the community even more,

516
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Like this is not nothing is fun about this anymore.

517
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: This is like a virus sweeping through our young women.

518
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: That's how the men are treating it, and like, we

519
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: need to fucking do something here. And Sophie co One

520
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: of the reasons I like her essay here is that

521
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: it does a good jomb of describing how a lot

522
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: of this anger comes not just out of the fact,

523
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Speaker 1: not out of the fact that like aspects of what

524
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: Joshua was doing are really abusive, which they are, but

525
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Speaker 1: out of the fact that Joshua has made the local

526
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Speaker 1: women ungovernable. Right, And here's what Sophie writes. The Corvalis

527
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: Times reassured the public of their feelings, saying that they

528
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Speaker 1: had good reason to be against Crefield for leading women,

529
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Speaker 1: girls and others into delusions and unnatural conditions, into a

530
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Speaker 1: state of mind where there is more frenzy than reason,

531
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Speaker 1: more folly than since people were not angry that he

532
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Speaker 1: had female followers, but that they were only female The

533
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: Corvalus Times also explained why this aspect was so significant,

534
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: claiming that the idea of women freely running around and

535
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Speaker 1: abandoning their husbands, fathers, and brothers was what made it

536
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Speaker 1: so maddening. She was out of the world and he

537
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: was of the earth, and she would have nothing to

538
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: do with him. The fact that women were engaging in

539
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: such wild behavior without men threw off the balance of Corbalis,

540
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: both in perceptions of social roles and in daily life.

541
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: Crawfield was altering the community already, and this was just

542
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Speaker 1: the beginning.

543
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Speaker 3: So I love that that was of course, that's the

544
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: main issue of these men is they're just like, listen,

545
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 3: I have no problem with like, you know, you guys

546
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: fucking like like you'd fuck my wife, but like I

547
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: have to watch.

548
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that's my thing, bro.

549
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: Like The fact is is that like, it ain't fun

550
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: if the domies can't have none, dog, you're just you're

551
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: doing some real selfish shit.

552
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Well, and you're letting them. You're letting them dress slutty,

553
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: you're letting them like they do their heads aren't covered.

554
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: They spend a lot of time about how these women

555
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: do not wear hats.

556
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Speaker 3: Oh my God, they're not even wearing a hat as hair.

557
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Speaker 1: Crazy. Yeah. Speaking of slutty ass hair, there's nothing slightier

558
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Speaker 1: than the sponsors of this podcast.

559
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Speaker 3: That's right when they show their hair. Oh my God,

560
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Speaker 3: does God cry? God cries the devil jacks off? Great sponsors.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, listen to Matt Leib's new three

562
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563
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Speaker 2: Said God? God cries the devil jacks off?

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, God cries the devil jacks off.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Here's here's a little preview.

566
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Speaker 3: God cry the devil jacks off?

567
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Speaker 2: What sea so warm?

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, I'm sorry if you want to hear the

569
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Speaker 2: There, check me out in Hillsday.

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Speaker 5: All right, Ah, we are back back, baby, that's right, motherfucker.

574
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Speaker 1: So good night.

575
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Speaker 2: Bye.

576
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Wait, shit, hello, we're back. So that December, Crafield addressed

577
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: his flock at the Hurt Home and told them that

578
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: God had given him a new message. He strips in

579
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Speaker 1: front of his colt after reading them the story of

580
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: David and Bethsheba, and he tells them. Clothing was intended

581
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: to cover up sin and shame, and if the heart

582
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: was made pure, there was no sin, therefore should be

583
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: no shame. So like you could be naked again, just

584
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Speaker 1: like in the Garden of Eden because you haven't sinned

585
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: since you're following me, right.

586
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it makes it actually kind of, it does sense.

587
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: It makes sense. But what it's the lead in for

588
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: as soon as he's got them all naked, they all

589
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: start having sex, right, is that is the goal that

590
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: he's leading into here, is like, once I get them

591
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: all naked, starting the orchie's gonna be a lot easier.

592
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way easier when you're have to fumble around

593
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: with Yeah, fruit of the loom under loose.

594
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, as the book Holy Rulers describes quote and so,

595
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: orgies in the name of God and Purification were held

596
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: in Frank's house during the Christmas season of nineteen oh three.

597
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Mothers were debauched in the presence of their daughters, and

598
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: daughters were debauched in the presence of their mothers, and

599
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: after all had been debauched purified, Joshua instructed the women

600
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: and girls to submit themselves to the lust of other men.

601
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: The only other men left in the in the flock

602
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: where Frank hurt, Charles Brooks, Sampson Levin's, and Lee Campbell,

603
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: all of them, that is, but Sarah hurt. She refused

604
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: to submit to him, to make love to him. Joshua

605
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: finally said that if Sarah would not submit to him,

606
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Speaker 1: he would drive her out of the church and God

607
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: would smite her. All she would see in the hereafter

608
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: was her soul plunging into an everlasting, burning, seething hell.

609
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: So rather than risk eternal damnation, Sarah risked hell on

610
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: earth and became a bride of Christ by making love

611
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: to her son in law in front of her children,

612
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: just as they had made love to others in front

613
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Speaker 1: of her.

614
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: It was almost cool. It was almost cool.

615
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Speaker 1: This is the first definite evidence I get that there

616
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Speaker 1: was like a significant amount of coercion involved in at

617
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Speaker 1: least some of these relationships.

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Speaker 3: I was like, like, yes, fuck, yeah, Frank's gonna fuck

619
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Speaker 3: you know, Samson or whatever.

620
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Speaker 2: And then you said that part. You should have just

621
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Speaker 2: left that part out, man.

622
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Speaker 1: So I know it's a lot. It's pretty abusive.

623
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Speaker 2: It's pretty now.

624
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Speaker 1: I think it escalates in its abusiveness over time. Damn,

625
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Speaker 1: I think part of why these people get so into

626
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: it is that for a while it is much less

627
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: abusive than aspects of their daily life. Yeah, but the

628
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: clamp down has occurred by this.

629
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Speaker 2: That's always how it goes, man.

630
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Speaker 1: You know.

631
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Speaker 3: You start off, you're just like, you know, it's a

632
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: little bit of just like a little porn here and there,

633
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: and then one thing leads to another and you're like,

634
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: have to have pissing it. Everyone's pissing and pissing on

635
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: each other, and you're.

636
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Speaker 2: Like, what if I be calm? Is that relatable?

637
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very relatable, Matt. I'm glad. I'm glad that

638
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: we've we've increased your backstory with that at.

639
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Buildings.

640
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fans are really putting together a more complete

641
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: picture of your life.

642
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: A heroin addict and he likes pisspoor with the fu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course that's like, uh, I don't actually want

644
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: to continue that bit. So after quite a lot of orgies,

645
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Joshua informed his followers of the new org chart. God is,

646
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Speaker 1: of course the head of the church, Joshua is the

647
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: visible head, Maud is now the spiritual mother, and Esther,

648
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Speaker 1: who is still in an asylum, was a saint and confusingly,

649
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: now the church's spiritual God.

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Speaker 2: And that's a weird or chart.

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Speaker 1: It is a weird org chart. I'm not sure how

652
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: that grabs. But he he tells them all that God

653
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: has chosen Esther to be the mother of the New Christ.

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Now again, Esther is sixteen. She is also institutionalized. Crayfield

655
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: is still obsessed with her, though, because she is. Part

656
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: of why, at least part of why the authors of

657
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Holy Rulers suggest he's obsessed with her is because at

658
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: this point she is the only virgin left in the church, right,

659
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: so he attempts to have several of his followers break

660
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: her free of her asylum. But her mother, sensing this,

661
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: being like, I'm pretty sure he's going to come for

662
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: her and he might succeed, moves his daughter or moves

663
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: her daughter to Illinois to be with her estranged father.

664
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: So daddy abandoned them a while ago. But she's like, hey,

665
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I need you to like do your job by keeping

666
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: your daughter out of this cult.

667
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, like one thing, one thing, just one thing you

668
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: don't even have to know, and the kidnap her. Yes. Yeah.

669
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: So the men of the town, who'd spent weeks gathering

670
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: at night and vandalizing the Hurt House. Took to calling

671
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: themselves the white Caps because they're all wearing these hats

672
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: to recognize each other. And this ties into the fact

673
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: that again, like a decade after this, all of these

674
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: guys are going to be in the KKK. I was

675
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: right saying it's huge in Oregon. This is very much

676
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: in line with that period of our of our state history, right.

677
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I was. I was like, why they

678
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: just have white hats around?

679
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, very ready at but let's have it cover the

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: rest of the face and let's bring wizards.

681
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: Into this for some reason.

682
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are so ready to be a vigilante mob. Again,

683
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: very little is happening in Corvallis.

684
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, these guys all eventually corner Crayfield and ov

686
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: hurt Son Frank outside of the hurt House and tar

687
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: and feather them sick. Uh Yeah, Yeah, I don't have

688
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 1: a problem with this. They have that coming. They've got

689
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: it coming.

690
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been asking for a Yeah, worn for it.

691
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

692
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: So one local paper describes the incident thus Lee quote,

693
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: there was no attempt at secrecy by those who took

694
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: part in the affair, none more masks and none affected

695
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: a diskies. The identity of many of the party is known,

696
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: and these are men of standing in character that a

697
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: boy or hoodlum in the party.

698
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: That's fun, Yeah, good stuff, standing members of society, you know,

699
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: turning a weird you know, rapist fault into yeah, little

700
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: birds or whatever?

701
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this supposed to make you look like a bird?

702
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: I tarring a feathering thing?

703
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's not clear to me if the police

704
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: refuse to intervene here because they supported the White Caps

705
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and doing violence to Craffield, or if they're just like,

706
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: if we intervene, our neighbors will murder us. Right, both

707
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: are plausible, you know, sure, like either cowardice or complicity,

708
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: perhaps a mix of the two either to me, yep, yep.

709
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Either way, nothing is done about this. Creffield promises that

710
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: he will not let the actions of criminals stop his preaching,

711
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: but he's also smart enough to know that, like, well,

712
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: if turing and feathering doesn't work, they're going to try

713
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: to murder me next, right, that's the only place to go. Yeah,

714
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I should probably take evasive action. Yes, So he has

715
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: his followers clean him up and then still reeking of Tar.

716
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: He gets married, right, and after this he announces that

717
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: the cult will be moving to Portland together, inaugurating a

718
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: grand tradition that continues to this very day. Now, this

719
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: pisss off the men of Corvallis, right, who see their

720
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: chance to get their wives and daughters back from Creffield

721
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: slipping away. If he gets to this degenerate, big city,

722
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: right then there will be nothing stopping him, you know. Yeah,

723
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: And Portland is you know, it's still a much more

724
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: conservative place than it is today, but it is also

725
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the kind of place where maybe a guy like him

726
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: could get away from the justice a bunch of drunk rednecks.

727
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: Right, He's one of many sex cult leaders you know. Yeah, yeah,

728
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 2: get in line.

729
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: So fortunately for them, for the men of Corvallis, Joshua

730
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Craffield was incapable of exactly one thing, and that one

731
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: thing is not being on his bullshit. So as soon

732
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: as soon as the cult moves to Portland, he tells

733
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: them all that we're staying here until the annihilation of

734
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: material things, which I think is going to come in

735
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, So we'll move to China after

736
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: that to preach the gospel, right, that's the plan. Yeah,

737
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: well they wait for that. He renews his relationship with

738
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the wife of Burgess Star, one of his early followers

739
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: who had left once you know, the wife fucking started.

740
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: So Star at this point goes to the cops. Because

741
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: adultery is illegal in Oregon. You can you can, it's punishable,

742
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: wipe to two years in jail. So and this is

743
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: it's very rare for this to get prosecuted. Not because

744
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: adultery is where I think adultery is about equally common

745
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: in every era. It's because if you're going to press charges,

746
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: you have to admit that your wife cheated on you,

747
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: and like most men would rather die. But it says

748
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: something about the kind of guy Burgess is that he

749
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: is willing to like kind of take this hit because

750
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: a lot of men could press charges for this in Corvalis,

751
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: he decides to take this hit on himself, this burden

752
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: and report Joshua. And this opens the floodgates. And are

753
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: the twelve men who are all former cult members kind

754
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: of like come up afterwards and make similar allegations. And

755
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, this is where things get

756
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: fucked up. Like obviously I don't think it's super fucked

757
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: up for Burgess, given the sitution situation, to do this,

758
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: But what is fucked up is what has to happen

759
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: to his wife, Donna as a result of this, because

760
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: since he's making this allegation for it to be taken seriously,

761
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: Donna Starr has to testify that she has slept with

762
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield, and she is still very much in the cult,

763
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: so you might think that it'd be difficult right for

764
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 1: her to get her to admit this, But in this case,

765
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: rampant sexism kind of comes to the rescue of the

766
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: men of Corvalis once again. So basically Burgess brings his

767
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: wife to the police station and the police are like, yeah,

768
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: we need you to sign this affid David saying that

769
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: you've had improper relations with Joshua Craffield. Well, we need

770
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: you to sign this affid David. They don't tell her

771
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: what it says, just tell her she has to sign it,

772
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: and she can't really read. So they have her sign

773
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: a thing that says I fucked the prophet, but she

774
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: doesn't actually know what she's signing, right.

775
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, yeah, that sounds also like classic cop shit, right.

776
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: Very very classic cop shit, very classic misogyny shit, right,

777
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, a warrant is issued for Joshua Craffield's arrest.

778
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: So this police dragnet starts across the northern chunk of

779
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: the state northwest Oregon. But Joshua Creffield fucking disappears, right,

780
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: this guy who had been everywhere, who was a publicity hound,

781
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: who's got all these cult members, suddenly nobody can fucking

782
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: find him. After a couple of weeks, locals assume, well, shit,

783
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: maybe he just left the state, right, and we're fucking

784
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: done with him, you know. So newspapers start publishing articles

785
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: celebrating the end of Crefieldism. We beat him, he ran scared,

786
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, we got it. Hallelujah. The cult is over,

787
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: you know. So the men who had had their lives

788
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: upended by Crefield's cult, like Oah Hurt, tried to move forward.

789
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: This also proved difficult. His daughter, Maud, was still in

790
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: love with Joshua, and other cult members continued to congregate

791
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: curiously at their house. Maud still refused to call him

792
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: father because that was reserved for God, and so she

793
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: started calling her father old man Hurt. She turned all

794
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: of the pictures on their walls around, calling them vain,

795
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: and she would fast for days at a time. When

796
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: she would agree to eat, she would demand that she'd

797
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: be allowed to eat alone. Other female Holy Rollers were

798
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: similarly recalcitrant. Newspapers complained that these women in the colt would,

799
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: even now that Crafield was gone, we're still parading around

800
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: in public quote, with hair unbraided and unkempt, flowing entangled masses.

801
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: This was seen as evidence of mental illness. The Albany

802
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: Harold wrote, sane people don't go bare headed?

803
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that. There was a

804
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: time where that was the hottest thing ever. Was just

805
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 2: like your hair show.

806
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: And not godless women. Yeah. Now for the kind of

807
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: sane people don't go bare headed line, Sophie Coe provides

808
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: some valuable context here. In her paper, Minerva Hyjer Reynolds

809
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: explained that one day her and her family were shocked

810
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: when we saw the women pass our house their hair

811
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: hanging down their backs, barefooted. Because of how confined women

812
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: were to their social roles, if they did not keep

813
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: up their image, even to the smallest detail of tying

814
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: up their hair, the public might believe they were crazy. Some,

815
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: including Esther Mitchell were taken to other places by their

816
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: families or partners to separate them from the lifestyle of

817
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: the Holy Rollers and Edmund Craffield. So you know, bad

818
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: not great. Mad Hurt gets institutionalized as a result of

819
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: this behavior she has admitted. About a month after Crefield disappears,

820
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: she is admitted to the Insane Asylum. The intake paperwork

821
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: declares that this is because she refused to wear quote

822
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: any covering for the head, and in fact, when she

823
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: was given bonnets and stuff, she would destroy them. May

824
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Hurt was also committed to the asylum, so was Sophie Hartley,

825
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: and eventually basically all of the Holy Roller cult are

826
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: admitted to insane asylums.

827
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: And at least one.

828
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, like, the thing is is like some of

829
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: the behavior feels like psych like maybe psych word adjacent,

830
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: Like I would be like, yeah, maybe you know, I'll

831
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: get on a little bit of that Gaba Pensen, some

832
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: of that Sarah well Dog like that. I think that

833
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: that would help. But it sounds like they the reason

834
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: they chose was just of the time.

835
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, not wearing a hat.

836
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: Not wearing a hat, you know what else has hair?

837
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: The pussy put her and jail.

838
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: No, they're actually all very lucky that this was when

839
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: it was, because if it was a little bit later,

840
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: they'd have had their fucking brains scrambled by a mootomist.

841
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.

842
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: That's she's going around hatless. Break her brain.

843
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, break the nose. She's making me horny.

844
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: I should say, just to give you some context, they

845
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: are they have institutionalized basically the whole cult at this point,

846
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: which is fucked up. It is worth noting that in

847
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: this period of time, one out of every two hundred

848
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: Oregonians is institutionalized.

849
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: God damn.

850
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Like they a lot of people get thrown in crazy

851
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: people jail, and basically all of them for no good reason.

852
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like, but is it weird that I'm like,

853
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 3: low key jealous of their robustal services budget.

854
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I think you might want to google a little bit

855
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: about how institutions were in this period of time before

856
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: you get jealous.

857
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: You mean they didn't have jello putting pops and TV

858
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: in every room.

859
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: I'll have to google when jello was invented.

860
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well we know TV was like steen hundreds.

861
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, seventeen hundreds, So like, yeah, I think all in

862
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: the family is really big in this point.

863
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's good enough,

864
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: that's not bad. Yeah. So jello invented in eighteen ninety seven.

865
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: Mother, Oh yeah, they got jello.

866
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: Baby, they got jello. They got Jello. I take it back,

867
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: how this is good?

868
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: This is fine? Yeah, this is fine. So, as the

869
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: months after Joshua's disappearance ruled on, the scale of commitments

870
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: expanded as cult members refused to turn away from their

871
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: beliefs and reintegrate with society. The last of the cult

872
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: to be institutionalized was Sarah hurt Ovi's wife, after he

873
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: announced that she had been willing to sacrifice their adopted baby.

874
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, actually, you know, and I said, we

875
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: were never going to kill that baby. I actually had

876
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: to stop my wife from killing that baby. And when

877
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let them do it, Joshuas was like, all right, well,

878
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: we're not going to burn the baby alive, but you're

879
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: not allowed to feed it or wash it.

880
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

881
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hurt later said, quote, my wife and daughters

882
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: came to believe that I was defiled and that this

883
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: little one was defiled. At the suggestion of that viper.

884
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: They talked of making the sacrifice of the child. They

885
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: would have burned her, along with their clothing, their furniture,

886
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: and the cats and dogs which they declared to be

887
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: of this world and unfit to live. They were all crazy, yes, crazy.

888
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: I was pleading, threatening and trying with all my power

889
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: to bring my wife and daughters back to sanity, but

890
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: without avail. And again this dude, who's generally considered to

891
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: be like the nicest guy in town is then like

892
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I would, I would like to hurt Creyfield with a

893
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: bullet if I could. It's just such like such a

894
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: childish way of saying I want to shoot a guy. Yeah,

895
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: I want to kill him, but I woant to wound

896
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: him with a guy.

897
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: I just want to wound him, like in the knee.

898
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get him right in the knee.

899
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: Fleshy part of the thigh or something. But like, you know,

900
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: I want him to be okay.

901
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want him to die. I'll take

902
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: care of him after.

903
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can be friends. I just think

904
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: he deserves a little bullet. Bullet, It's just a little bullet.

905
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, now after July or like so, Crayfield stays missing,

906
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: everyone's fucking locked up. And then on July twenty ninth,

907
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: when he's been missing, like four months something like.

908
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 3: That, he bursts out of the center of the earth

909
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: with the loveest man you've ever seen.

910
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: That you literally called it. That is exactly what happens. Yes,

911
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: so this is that's that's so funny.

912
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: So I feel like I've called multiple different like acts.

913
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: This is like, this one is weirdly exact because what

914
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: happens is the Hurts adopted son, Roy is like looking

915
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: for worms because he wants to go fishing, and the

916
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: best way to do him he like goes under the

917
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: foundation of the house to like dig for worms, and

918
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: he like as he gets under there, he like looks

919
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: up and he sees a naked, emaciated man with a

920
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: wild beard like staring at him with crazy eyes. And eventually,

921
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: because you know Roy's family was in the cult, He's like,

922
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's Joshuama Crefield. He's naked and under

923
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: he's been living under our house, not eating for three

924
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: or four months.

925
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: Just quietly whispering.

926
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: That's almost exist. So it turns out that Maud and

927
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: May had been feeding him. That's why they were like

928
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: they would starve themselves, and they like, all eat, but

929
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: only if you don't watch. They've been giving him their food, right,

930
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: and then when they get institutionalized, he had started to starve.

931
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: So Roy, obviously having a good head on his shoulders,

932
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: calls the cops and is like, there's a cult leader

933
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: living under my house. And the cops show up and

934
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: they grab him and they're like, were you just gonna

935
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: like stay there until you starve to death? And Crayfield

936
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: was like, I went under the house because I was

937
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: told to hide away by the Lord. I was crucified

938
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: while I was there. God came to me. I was

939
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: to suffer from my people. I was to die from

940
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: hunger and from the cold.

941
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: Soone's patting him on the back, all right, buddy, sure, yeah, yeah, sure.

942
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's get you somewhere else.

943
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: Are you hungry, you're hungry, let's go.

944
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: Well, they do feed him next, so he gets he

945
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: gets this is where I said, you were exactly right.

946
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: They pull him out of this hole in the ground,

947
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: naked and in broad daylight. The men of Corvallis, who

948
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: have assembled to watch this, get to see why he's

949
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: so popular, Because this dude is a hung leg of

950
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: fucking stallion. Like the sheriff step you describes it as

951
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: wonderfully endowed by Mona natcha.

952
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: Oh I love it.

953
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone just just like collectively went, oh, okay, this

954
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: all makes a lot more sense.

955
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: We should get my wife out of the insane side.

956
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, they didn't say it was massive. Yeah, oh

957
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: my god.

958
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: So he gets taken to Portland. He's put in jail

959
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: and like they feed him and stuff. He's given some

960
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: time to regain his strength before they put him on trial,

961
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: Sophie co writes quote. Appearing for Judge Alfred F. Sears,

962
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: Crefield continued to speak as Joshua in court. He claimed

963
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: that he did not need a lawyer and that God

964
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: would will whatever was meant to happen. If he were

965
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: found guilty, he would he would receive it joyfully. Donnas

966
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Starr admitted to the actions that Creffield was accused of,

967
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: claiming that she was inspired by God and truly believed

968
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: that relations with Creffield allowed her to purify herself. Four

969
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: other witnesses testified against Creffield, claiming that not only had

970
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: he committed adultery with many women, but also that was

971
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: the reason that their mother's daughters and sisters were going

972
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: insane was because he had made them brides of Christ.

973
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: The evening Telegram described the courtroom as being crowded to

974
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: all doors in all forenoon by staring morbid crowd bent

975
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: on catching a glimpse of the religious rank.

976
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Now just the whole jury and judge while he's talking,

977
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: are just staring at his pants, going, come on, I want.

978
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: To see it.

979
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: I want to see it, want to see in twitch

980
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: like a cat's tale. So he acting as his own

981
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: lawyer and justifying his crimes by saying he had to

982
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: make brides of Christ. Doesn't in a winning strategy, doesn't

983
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: work out, No, no, no. Crefield also refuses to call

984
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: any witnesses in his defense, and instead he quotes the

985
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: Bible repeatedly and describes as sex with Donna as a

986
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: purification right. He is found guilty and sentenced to a

987
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: bit less than two years in prison. He serves seventeen

988
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: months and is let out early on good behavior and

989
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: as thanks for performing community service. While inside, he moderates

990
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: his behavior slightly and some people start to think like, oh,

991
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: maybe he's turning over a new leaf. But then as

992
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: soon as he's let out, he gets right back together

993
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: with his followers and the Hurt family. They've all been

994
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: let out of the institution now, and he's like, hey, guys,

995
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: let's all get back together, right God, I'm back. Yeah.

996
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

997
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: So he had, you know, he had married Maud since

998
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: he couldn't marry Esther, but they got divorced while he

999
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: was in jail, so he remarries her as soon as

1000
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: they're out. She seems to be down with this. Maud

1001
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: is definitely one of the women who is all on

1002
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: board with this cult. So is Esther Mitchell. You know,

1003
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: she had been moved to Illinois to live with her

1004
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: absent and uncaring father, and as soon as she hears

1005
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: that Crefiel's out of jail, she moves right back to Oregon.

1006
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: So she has become even more devoted in her time

1007
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: away and would now tell anyone who would listen that

1008
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: Joshua is not just a prophet but God himself. Now

1009
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of unclear exactly how this all times out,

1010
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: but soon after this point, Joshua starts stops referring to

1011
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: himself as an apostle searching for the bride of Christ,

1012
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: and starts declaring himself to just be Jesus. Right, that's

1013
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: that's where we are now, right. I am the second

1014
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: Coming all that good stuff. Yeah, it's a third act.

1015
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: You know, he's uh, he's got to go there, he's

1016
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: got to go. There's nowhere else to go.

1017
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: But I am God.

1018
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: And you know what else signifies that we're in the

1019
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: third act? What our second dad break?

1020
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love ads, man, so do I. I love

1021
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: when they tell me what to buy. Oh that's my

1022
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: favorite because I don't know what to buy most of

1023
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: the time.

1024
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: Well that's like I guess I'll just buy drugs and

1025
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: they're like, no, have you ever thought of buying a lawnmower.

1026
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, a meal box, a bed, a mattress.

1027
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: Exactly, or an online therapy.

1028
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, check it all out, all of it. Buy everything.

1029
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: We're back back way, baby. So we're talking Jay Crizzy

1030
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: Joshua Craffield. So yeah, he's back. He's walking around and

1031
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: basically all of his cult members are like, life Share

1032
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: has sucked without you because it's Oregon in nineteen oh six.

1033
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: Can we join up again?

1034
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1035
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: Nobody else here has as good dick game. Let's get

1036
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: back into it, right, Sophie co writes quote as men

1037
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: were experiencing their wives and daughters, abandoning them to follow

1038
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: Craffield for a second time. Anger rose again among those

1039
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: in Corvallis. Many were plotting against Craffield, some half heartedly

1040
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: and some very seriously. Lewis Hartley, a father of one

1041
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: of the brides, attempted to shoot Craffield five times, but

1042
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: each time the gun failed to shoot a bullet. Now,

1043
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: there was a belief within the cult that Craffield being Joshua,

1044
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: could not be killed.

1045
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 2: So like, that's uh, that's not going to work out. Well,

1046
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: I can feel that. No, nope.

1047
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: And this is, by the way, the fact that this

1048
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: guy fails to shoot him six times is less miraculous

1049
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: than it may sound, because Hartley does not know anything

1050
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: about So he buys a thirty two caliber revolver, and

1051
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: then he buys thirty two caliber AMMO. But his revolver

1052
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: is a center fire revolver, and he buys rim fire

1053
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: thirty two caliber AMMO. And the difference between the two.

1054
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: So bullets have a thing called a primer in them, right,

1055
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: and the hammer strikes the primer, the primer ignites the

1056
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: gunpowder that makes bullet go right. Sure, most modern bullets

1057
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: are centerfire. So there's a little primer. If you look

1058
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: at the back of a bullet, there's this little silver

1059
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: thing that's the primer in the back of the bullet.

1060
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: Rim fire, it's on the rim. So if you're if

1061
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 1: you're shooting a rim fire bullet out of a center

1062
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: fire gun, the hammer, the firing pin is not going

1063
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: to hit the fucking primer, right, It.

1064
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: Just totally yeah, no, I get it now. Yeah, I'm

1065
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 2: the wrong bullet. I know about guns.

1066
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is it. I just want to

1067
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: note it's not inexplicable, right, this guy bought the wrong bullet.

1068
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 2: You're saying, you're saying he's not God Robert because his hog. Yeah,

1069
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: he's got a god size houll.

1070
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: He does have a god sized hog. And fortunately the

1071
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: men of corvalis not arms experts, which really gonna work

1072
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: out for him.

1073
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: One god sized hog or a hundred hog sized gods?

1074
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh man, keep going.

1075
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're havevelina sized I bet repeatedly killing

1076
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: like God in havevelina form would be delicious.

1077
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, yummers, yummers.

1078
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: So anyway, Crefield himself veers in this story between like

1079
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: again being this monster abusive monster and also being like

1080
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of you have to you have to accept Again,

1081
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: all of these women were freed and spent two years

1082
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: not under his influence, and as soon as he came back,

1083
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: we're like, yes, this is much better than our lives.

1084
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: Let's go back, right. That's that's an undeniable aspect of

1085
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: this story. He is, of course, also a giant asshole.

1086
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: And one of the things that happens is they're all

1087
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: getting out of town together. The city of San Francisco

1088
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: burns to the ground after the nineteen oh six were earthquake,

1089
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: killing a shitload of people, and Joshua is like, I

1090
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: did that. I was angry at San Francisco, so I

1091
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: killed them all. I'll do it to Portland and Seattle

1092
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: if you fuck with us, I'll burn your cities down.

1093
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco is a warning shot, motherfuckers.

1094
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: I love that.

1095
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he here's about a big fire and he goes like, hey, guys,

1096
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: remember when I made fire?

1097
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was me. Yeah, it's very funny. So again,

1098
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: it remains up for debate how much Creffield really believed,

1099
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: but he seems to have been aware that this was

1100
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: a bluff because immediately after making this threat, he leads

1101
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: his cult on a star fation march out of town

1102
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: and towards the location on the Oregon coast along the

1103
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: Yatchetts River. Now along the way, Creffield's preferences for nudity increased,

1104
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: and so his followers basically don't bring any clothes with them.

1105
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: They have like one blanket for the whole group. And

1106
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been to the coast

1107
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: of Oregon, but the dead in the dead of summer,

1108
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: it's not warm, right, Like it's a cold coaches. Yes, yes,

1109
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: it's not a warm place. No, And it's it's warmer

1110
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: today than it would have been in nineteen oh six.

1111
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: So you have to think pretty cult miserable to be

1112
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: a naked person on the Oregon coast in nineteen oh six.

1113
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: So he leads them all to like literally the middle

1114
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: of nowhere they have nothing, and then is like, all right,

1115
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: you guys stay here, I'm gonna go to Seattle with

1116
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Maud and we're gonna like we're gonna figure some shit

1117
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: out right, We're gonna.

1118
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: Like start a band. Yeah, it's just chill here for

1119
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: a bit.

1120
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find you guys a new home. No, worry.

1121
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: So by this point the men of corp Vallis are

1122
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: shitting themselves with rage. Two men who had family in

1123
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: the cult, George Mitchell and Edwin Baldwin, armed themselves and

1124
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: set off on separate vengeance quests to kill Joshua. Mitchell

1125
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: is the one who proves most adept at the task,

1126
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: tracking maud Heart to Seattle and Hurt to Seattle and

1127
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: sneaking around until he he spots the Messiah and his

1128
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: wife outside of a convenience store. So he they're like

1129
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: milling around outside of the fucking well. It's uh, it's

1130
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: the Northwest. That's side of the plaid pantry, and so

1131
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have those in Washington whatever.

1132
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: Maybe is seven to eleven, he pulls out a revolver

1133
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: and he shoots it. Edmund Joshua Creffield fucking dead.

1134
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: Like, oh no, yeah, he gets to eat those Halapano

1135
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 2: cream trees.

1136
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: Rollers, Yeah nah, he sure doesn't. He shared does.

1137
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: Comes out and there were two for three point thirty three.

1138
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: They're really good.

1139
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: So he is not a good dude. I should say

1140
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: this right now, Mitchell, because his primary complaint with Creffield

1141
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: is that by sleeping with his sisters, Joshua had ruined them, right, Yeah, yeah,

1142
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: so again, nobody's not no clear good guy here, sure,

1143
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: Sophie worse, Yeah, yeah, one is worse. One is worse.

1144
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Sophie co analyzes this further. The fact that women were

1145
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: still considered the lesser sex created a role that helped

1146
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: make an enemy out of Creffield while withholding any power

1147
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: given to his female followers for straying from their social role.

1148
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: Arguments of the time included that by leaving their home

1149
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: and husband overtaxed their brains and their mental agitation caused

1150
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: wounds that would never heal. Women were not blamed, however,

1151
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: for leaving their families in previous lives. There was a

1152
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: general agreement throughout the public, impressed that these brides of

1153
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Christ were not to blame for their misguided devotion to

1154
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: him because by nature they were weak creatures easily led astray.

1155
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, there's a lie.

1156
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, Wow, Sophie's giving you quite a lok. Just kiddy,

1157
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

1158
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 3: So Mitchell so easily digmatized role fucking clearly.

1159
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: So No, that's Mitchell ghost on Mitchell Ghosts on trial

1160
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: at Seattle and officials in Portland try to extrad dite him.

1161
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: They're like, we should try him here because his crimes

1162
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: were mostly here except for the murder part. But like,

1163
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, so they were like, yeah, they try to

1164
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: extradite him, but everyone in Washington is like, no, you

1165
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: can't let them hold the trial in Oregon. They'll just

1166
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: murder the man. Everyone in Oregon is too lawless and

1167
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: anarchic for a real trial. And in fact, there's a

1168
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: quote from some Washington prosecutors that in Oregon, lynch, mobs

1169
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: and anarchy rule. So again, nothing has changed. Yeah, nothing

1170
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: at all has changed. Yeah, it's all exactly the same.

1171
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,959
Speaker 1: So they have the trial here, and despite the fact

1172
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: that Mitchell had absolutely committed the crime, he was declared

1173
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: not guilty basically because everyone of the jury was like, well,

1174
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: I would have done the same thing in his shoes.

1175
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1176
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. This winds up not being a good thing for

1177
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: George Mitchell, though, because the jury had been debating not

1178
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity, insanity, or guilty right. If

1179
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: it had been not guilty by reason of insanity, he

1180
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: would have been remanded to state custody. As it was,

1181
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: he walks out of court a free man, right, this

1182
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: is going to be a problem for him because his

1183
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: sister is Esther, right yeah, and Esther. So Esther's like, hey, brother,

1184
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: let's meet up at the trade station to talk about

1185
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: you killing my cult leader.

1186
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: And so he had to know this, he had to know.

1187
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: So he shows up and Esther shoots him in the

1188
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: back of the head with the pocket pistol, just fucking

1189
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: guns her brother down. Now, you won't be surprised to

1190
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: hear this becomes quite a story in the media.

1191
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the newspapers.

1192
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're finally, they're like, finally, we don't have

1193
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: to write about a fucking bicyclist.

1194
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it was you know, the newspaper

1195
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: wants the news, like keeps interviewing her. They want her

1196
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: to say God told me to do it or whatever,

1197
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: or I was in a religious frenzy. But all she'll

1198
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: say is like, I did the same thing my brother did. Right,

1199
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: the law is inadequate to the task of punishing a

1200
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: murderer because he was acquitted. So I did the same

1201
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: thing to him that he did to Crayfield. And she

1202
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: uses kind of the same justification your brother has done. Yeah, yeah,

1203
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: she'd also pointed out that like my brother did what

1204
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: Like my brother accused Jeff like Craffield of making me

1205
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: into a fornicator, but by claiming that that he did

1206
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: the same thing that he was saying, Craffield died to me.

1207
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: He got me branded a fornicator in society and ruined

1208
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: my reputation. She insisted that Craffield never had sex with her,

1209
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: and yeah, this is uh, she kind of has a

1210
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: point that, like.

1211
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: She does kind of a point here, Yeah, Like she

1212
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: is not wrong about this, right, Yeah. I mean it's

1213
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: a hell of a way to make a point with it.

1214
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: It's quite a point. Yeah, but she's not incorrect here.

1215
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, people you know have gone through yeah,

1216
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: far less to make an argument. Yes, I'm glad that

1217
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: she uh went all the way there.

1218
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: I guess I guess what we're saying is, we're proud

1219
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: of you, esther.

1220
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're proud of you. Yeah. Stuck up for your man, yeah,

1221
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 2: stuck up for yourself.

1222
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, bad pick on the man, but good

1223
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: and you for sticking up for yourself.

1224
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And honestly, good for you for pointing out hypocrisy,

1225
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: which I think is always that's.

1226
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: The most important part. So esther refuses to claim insanity,

1227
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: the state forces it on her anyway, because we don't

1228
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: care what a woman says.

1229
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: Of course, she's not going to say she's crazy. We're

1230
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: the state, yep.

1231
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: So she gets committed to an asylum and yeah, eventually

1232
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,959
Speaker 1: she gets out after a couple of years, and she's,

1233
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, living at a family friend's place after getting

1234
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: out of the asylum and takes a massive dose of

1235
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: strychnine and commits suicide. Oh geez, Maud Hurt does the

1236
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: same thing right right after the trial. So like, the

1237
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: two women who are closest to Craffield killed themselves as

1238
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: soon as they possibly can. And that's the end of

1239
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: the story.

1240
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: And that is the story of Pete Davidson. Yeah, the

1241
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: man with the magic cock.

1242
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: He would Pete Davidson would have been murdered by a

1243
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: small town in Oregon if like, if he was had

1244
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: been alive in nineteen oh six. There's no other way,

1245
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: there's no other way. Probably would have been corn alice.

1246
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not even that funny. Kate beckl say, what

1247
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: the fuck?

1248
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: No, people are reacting to him throughout the story exactly

1249
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: like I react. That's a new girlfriend. Yeah, I'm just

1250
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: like that motherfucker better have ten dicks. That is like,

1251
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: that is such a wild story because of the fact that,

1252
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: like the dick reveal.

1253
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: Pos's all in a perspective, Yeah, this mysterious man. Is

1254
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: he a hypnotist? I don't know. And then you see

1255
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: his huge Oh okay.

1256
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 3: Oh it's like I love that they pulled out a

1257
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: really skinny guy in his massive hog and they were

1258
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 3: just like, ah, he's the same thing.

1259
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: Like the whole crowd is silent, and then suddenly like

1260
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: the town and it's like, oh, because we all got

1261
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: tiny dicks, I get it.

1262
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fuck, good piece of ship. But everyone's bad

1263
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: in some way.

1264
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's bad in some way, not all in this way,

1265
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: most not in this.

1266
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: Way, most not in that way. Yeah.

1267
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: I just like I've yet to hear the story of

1268
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: the perfect sex cult. Like so far, the closest is

1269
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 3: like being in like theater crew. That's the closest to

1270
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: a sex cult that exists. Yeah, all the you know,

1271
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 3: just like you know, join the theater program at your

1272
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: high school or.

1273
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't do not be telling our listeners to

1274
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: do that. Man.

1275
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, if you're in I'm.

1276
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Just if you're in high school.

1277
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: You're in high school. Well, I thought that that was implied.

1278
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: No, I think the whole history of sex cults means

1279
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be implied.

1280
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: You're right, you make a good point. You make a

1281
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: great point.

1282
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 3: You know. I'm saying, join your local theater company and

1283
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: you don't even have to act.

1284
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: You just run the lights and you'll that's like a

1285
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: sex cult. That's what I'm saying.

1286
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 3: Please do not just go to a high school and say,

1287
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 3: Matt Leib sent me here to join the cult.

1288
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of which, folks, you can buy our official

1289
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: behind the Bastards laminated. Matt Leib sent me here cards

1290
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: for whatever you want to do. Use them for anything, anything,

1291
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: anything you want. Just pop them on top of you

1292
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Speaker 1: know anything. Yeah, oh fuck anything else you want to

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Speaker 1: plug Matt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, other than Matt Leib's tips for how to join

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Speaker 3: sex cults that are non problematic, listen to my podcast

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Speaker 3: Bought Yourself a Gun, a TV rewatch podcast. Uh and

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Speaker 3: it's it's you know, wherever you get your podcasts and

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Speaker 3: once again. Tickets will go on sale soon for Sunday,

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Speaker 3: March seventeenth, in Sacramento at the Sacramento Punchline. I'll be

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of things going on in

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Speaker 3: the whole gaza shrip and Israel and mostly bad things,

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Speaker 3: a lot of bad things.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And as an anti Zionist jew, Uh did I say, zu?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you did?

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Speaker 2: You did?

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Speaker 3: As an anti zionist Jou, I have some thoughts on it,

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Speaker 3: and I've been making some videos. Uh and uh if

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Speaker 3: you want to check those out, you can go to

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Speaker 3: uh Instagram at matt leib jokes.

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Speaker 2: That's my account, gram.

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Speaker 1: Him folks, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, yeah, oh Zu.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of sauce, if you want to provide the special

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Speaker 1: sauce to children in portlandildren's okay, okay, okay, let's take

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Speaker 1: that you're speaking not at all speaking of sauce. The

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Speaker 1: Portland Children's Museum, the Flip Museum, is raising money. They

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Speaker 1: it's a traveling museum. They provide mobile exhibits throughout the

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Speaker 1: port from Portland metro area for kids. It's a good

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Speaker 1: good cause to donate Text bastards to five oh one

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Speaker 1: five that's Bastards to five oh one. All Right, we're done,

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Speaker 1: go home. I Love you, guys or you.

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Speaker 2: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.

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