Speaker 1: Hello, what's up? Who is this? Is this? While? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who is this?
Speaker 1: Oh? My goodness, that's amazing. My name is Elijah.
Speaker 2: How are you Elijah? What's up? Man? How am I?
Speaker 2: I am fine, I'm okay, I'm living life. I feel
Speaker 2: pretty good. Actually, scale one's a ten like a seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good. I feel ready to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: I feel really all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do. I feel ready to have this conversation.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel like I don't know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna talk to me about, but I feel like I
Speaker 2: can thoroughly engage with you for at least twenty minutes
Speaker 2: or that depending. I feel ready to engage with whatever
Speaker 2: you have to talk to me about. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Well, that's amazing. Wow, you know, I hear it's a
Speaker 1: lot listening, and it's like, never thought I'd actually be
Speaker 1: in this position. But everybody's like, oh man, you know,
Speaker 1: I had all these things to say and now I'm
Speaker 1: on the phone, and what do I talk about? You
Speaker 1: know you just had a blank But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I had texted you earlier about something, and I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe that's a good jumping off point.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, Sure, I didn't read the text, but you can
Speaker 2: tell me what it was.
Speaker 1: So very good friend of mine is talking about his
Speaker 1: wedding and I don't think that I'm going to be
Speaker 1: invited to the wedding because I used to date his
Speaker 1: sister and she is going to be there.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I okay, Now did you and the sister end
Speaker 2: on good terms or bad terms? Or neutral terms?
Speaker 1: I would say neutral ish, maybe, like a chaotic neutral possibly.
Speaker 1: I mean she there wasn't necessarily anything wrong in the relationship.
Speaker 1: It was just I feel that she had reached a
Speaker 1: point where, you know, things may be fizzled out. You know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, and this is like the most
Speaker 1: fucked up part about it, is that the main reason
Speaker 1: she broke up with me is because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to start my own business. That was literally like the
Speaker 1: big because like I work corporate and I have a
Speaker 1: very nice job and I'm still doing what I love
Speaker 1: and I make good money doing it. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you have a boss, you don't want to like
Speaker 1: do your own thing, and like my industry, like my
Speaker 1: field is like for you to be your own business owner,
Speaker 1: you would be making way less money than what I'm
Speaker 1: doing not owning my own business.
Speaker 2: You know, So she broke up with you because she
Speaker 2: didn't because you didn't want to start your own business?
Speaker 2: What makes you now? What makes you feel like that
Speaker 2: was the main thing versus like that?
Speaker 1: Definitely? She set it out right.
Speaker 3: Really well.
Speaker 1: She said that I had well it was more of
Speaker 1: a drive thing. But that drive concept leads back to
Speaker 1: me not wanting to start my own thing or own
Speaker 1: my own thing. And I kept telling her, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's it's a lot of headaches, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of stress that quite frankly, I would rather not
Speaker 1: deal with.
Speaker 2: Weird. How long were you dating?
Speaker 3: For?
Speaker 1: About two years?
Speaker 2: Okay? And did this did this idea of like you
Speaker 2: don't have enough drive come up a lot?
Speaker 1: I mean not a lot. She had brought it up
Speaker 1: a few times, so like for a reference, I'm a chef,
Speaker 1: right as she was like, oh, you know, you could
Speaker 1: do catering or you could open up your own restaurant
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, like to leave my cushy, you know,
Speaker 1: insurance and for a one k gig to just kind
Speaker 1: of like jump out there. And now there's people that
Speaker 1: do it and they're very successful. And I understand that,
Speaker 1: but like risk to reward, I'd rather not be responsible for,
Speaker 1: you know, my future as much. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Well yeah, it's not for everyone, the
Speaker 2: fact that you don't want to do it. But also
Speaker 2: like I don't know, you're a chef, right, you're working
Speaker 2: for another. I mean, you're still you're still working hard,
Speaker 2: You're still making the fucking food. It's just like you
Speaker 2: don't want to have to do all the other bullshit
Speaker 2: involved with making food, with opening a restaurant. That's not
Speaker 2: because then then your job stops being making food and
Speaker 2: then it becomes like posting and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And a good advice that I got years
Speaker 1: ago when I started doing this is that the higher
Speaker 1: up you go in the food chain of a kitchen,
Speaker 1: the further away you get from the stove, which is
Speaker 1: like why everybody falls in love with it, you know,
Speaker 1: is the fire and the excitement and the and the
Speaker 1: throwing salt on shit. But like, I mean, I'm in
Speaker 1: a management position at this point where thankfully I get
Speaker 1: to choose how much I get the cookers, like paperwork
Speaker 1: involved too, and scheduling and stuff like that. But like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day I worked for a
Speaker 1: corporation that they're not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm always
Speaker 1: going to have a job. The company's treated me very
Speaker 1: well so far.
Speaker 2: How was the relationship outside of that, like, did was
Speaker 2: it relatively good?
Speaker 1: I mean, I what's fucked up is that prior to
Speaker 1: this relationship, I was with a girl for seven years
Speaker 1: and I never once thought about like proposing to her.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like complacent with the relationship.
Speaker 1: But I was with this other girl for damn near
Speaker 1: two years, and I had ring money saved up, like
Speaker 1: I had like a couple grands saved up that I
Speaker 1: was like waiting for the right time. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll book a trip and I'll get down on my knee.
Speaker 1: And then as I'm thinking about this, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, we got to talk, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I know what that means. That's not good.
Speaker 2: What was it about this woman that made marry her
Speaker 2: so much?
Speaker 1: I feel like there was just a lot of connections.
Speaker 1: She was my previous relationship. That girl, she was just
Speaker 1: like very much like a timid yes yes man kind
Speaker 1: of thing, like oh you want to do this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. But then like this other girl, I'd
Speaker 1: never been with somebody who was just so A lot
Speaker 1: of my friends said she was a bitch, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. She was just she just
Speaker 1: knew what she wanted, you know what I mean. She'd
Speaker 1: be like, hey, this is what I want. We're going
Speaker 1: to do this, and I'd be like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to go do this and she's like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. Obviously, she would take what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do every once in a while, even if
Speaker 1: she didn't want to do it. You know, you got
Speaker 1: to give a little bit in a relationship. But like
Speaker 1: outside of that, I mean, it was just very there
Speaker 1: was very much a connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was it that attracted you so much? To that
Speaker 2: energy of knowing what like her knowing what she wanted?
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell you. Again, I think it goes
Speaker 1: back to my extremely long relationship before that, where I
Speaker 1: never had that. I only found out after the fact,
Speaker 1: like in an argument she'd be like, oh, well, like
Speaker 1: I do this for you, you know, And like that
Speaker 1: never came up with this girl because if she didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it, she wouldn't and then if she
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, but she would do it
Speaker 1: for me, she would just say that. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this is your thing, Like I like to go
Speaker 1: to concerts a lot, like kind of like like heavier concerts.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I'll go with you, but I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go get ruffed up by a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes in the pit with you. I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 1: then you know, stash her in the back by the
Speaker 1: merch booth, and then I go have fun. And I
Speaker 1: mean we still got to experience it together, just not
Speaker 1: you know. And then she wouldn't complain. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to do. I just I'll
Speaker 1: stand in the back, you go have fun. I'll drive
Speaker 1: you home after you break your glasses in your leg.
Speaker 2: So do you feel a lot of grief when she
Speaker 2: broke up with you after you're planning to propose?
Speaker 1: It was actually so bad that I moved across the country.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 1: And this is only a couple months ago, by the way,
Speaker 1: I just moved here. I think I'm on months three.
Speaker 2: How's it going?
Speaker 1: Is pros and cons? I mean my job, I was
Speaker 1: able to move with my job, so they paid for
Speaker 1: all the moving expenses. Where I'm living now, i'm paying
Speaker 1: more for less. Like the last place I was living,
Speaker 1: I was living in like the newest most high tech
Speaker 1: apartment complex that there was, Like the if you left
Speaker 1: the fridge open too long, it would like sing a
Speaker 1: song that told you it was open too long. Like
Speaker 1: the washer and dryer in the unit was like one
Speaker 1: one thing I'd never seen that before. So like you
Speaker 1: put your laundry in it washes and then afterwards you
Speaker 1: said it to dry and you don't even have to
Speaker 1: move the clothes. It was very nice. And now I
Speaker 1: live in like a studio for like six hundred dollars
Speaker 1: more months than like kind of a shadier part of town.
Speaker 1: But I needed I needed the new experience, the new faces.
Speaker 1: You know, it was really hard living in that city
Speaker 1: because it was like I had taken this girl everywhere,
Speaker 1: and then you go to those places and you're just
Speaker 1: reminded of the times that you spent with that person
Speaker 1: that you're never going to talk to again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 1: Have none of those memories here.
Speaker 2: So wait, I'm confused. And so I'm sorry if I
Speaker 2: you said this already, But the job that you were
Speaker 2: staying in That was the whatever straw that broke the
Speaker 2: camel's back. Is it a remote job? Like, how were
Speaker 2: you able to keep it?
Speaker 1: No? So again, I worked for a big corporation. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to dox myself, but yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: hotel change. I just transferred hotels. They have an entire
Speaker 1: website where it's like find a job, and then you look,
Speaker 1: and then I saw one in the city that I'm
Speaker 1: living in now, and then I applied for it. I
Speaker 1: got the job, and then they were like, hey, we'll
Speaker 1: move you all the way across the country into this
Speaker 1: new city for a new job. It was a promotion too,
Speaker 1: so that was nice.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: Did you move a do you know anyone there?
Speaker 1: I this is up in New England and I have friends,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of close, like in New Hampshire and
Speaker 1: Rhode Island, which is a bit of a trek but
Speaker 1: still close enough. But yeah, I left like a whole
Speaker 1: life that I had built for years down south to
Speaker 1: move up north again. Right at the wrong time too.
Speaker 1: It was snowing earlier and I was like, God, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen snow in years.
Speaker 2: So it's two months and how are you feeling about
Speaker 2: your decision.
Speaker 1: I feel better about it every day. I think I'm
Speaker 1: kind of hitting a stride here. I will say that
Speaker 1: living going from a red state to a blue state
Speaker 1: is very different because the price of cigarettes are outrageous.
Speaker 1: M but I mean personally, but going back to if
Speaker 1: you don't mind going back to like the initial thought.
Speaker 1: So I met this girl, right, and then I met
Speaker 1: her family. Obviously I miss was right around the time
Speaker 1: I was having trouble with my roommate. I needed somewhere
Speaker 1: a new to lips. So her younger brother, him and
Speaker 1: I became friends. We got similar interests. He was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to move into this apartment. You
Speaker 1: want to move in with me? So then him and
Speaker 1: I were roommates for a full year. So we became
Speaker 1: very good friends. And I remember after she broke up
Speaker 1: with me, I went out and got very drunk, as
Speaker 1: some people do, and I had called him. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: like you know what happened. He was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: she just talked to me about it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: but like we're still cool, right He's like yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: Like our relationship isn't affected by what you did with
Speaker 1: my sister. You know, I was like cool, cool, But
Speaker 1: now again I'm finding out that he's going to get
Speaker 1: married and I'm like, oh, dude, like congratulations, Like when's
Speaker 1: the wedding? Where is it? Like I'll try and take
Speaker 1: some time off to come to it. And he's just
Speaker 1: like yeah about that, Yeah I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so how did that conversation go.
Speaker 1: I mean it was pretty much be like defending my
Speaker 1: side of it because like my last day in that city,
Speaker 1: I went to the bar that I'd also preface. I
Speaker 1: was introduced to her by my old boss because me
Speaker 1: and my boss we would go out drinking all the time,
Speaker 1: and she was one of the regulars at this bar.
Speaker 1: I remember the one day. I'm still getting over my
Speaker 1: seven year relationship, which I also moved across the country for.
Speaker 1: I have a bad habit of getting broken up with
Speaker 1: and moving to a brand new city I've never been to.
Speaker 1: So I'm like all depressed about this, that and the
Speaker 1: other end, my boss text me and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, so and so is asking about you, and
Speaker 1: mind Jesus, girl was phenomenally out of my league and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, right, you're probably just drunk. At the
Speaker 1: bar and your wife left you, right, and you want
Speaker 1: somebody to drink with, so you want me to come
Speaker 1: to the bar. And then his wife text me and
Speaker 1: she's like, if you don't stop being fucking depressed and
Speaker 1: come out to the bar and talk to this beautiful girl,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be pissed off at you. And at that
Speaker 1: point I knew it was true, right all right? So anyway,
Speaker 1: fast forward four years later, I'm I go out to
Speaker 1: hang out with my boss in my last night in
Speaker 1: the city, and she's there. I didn't talk to her.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything, you know, very just yeah, she
Speaker 1: wants to talk to me, she'll talk to me. If not.
Speaker 1: Then Also, as soon as she broke up with me, coincidentally,
Speaker 1: she's with this other guy who lo and behold owns
Speaker 1: his own like bar. So I want to say that
Speaker 1: that maybe was playing into it a little bit, but yeah, yees.
Speaker 1: So that I'm talking, I'm talking to my friend and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, you know, if I go to the wedding,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fucking cause a scene, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm not gonna if she doesn't talk
Speaker 1: to me, I'm not going to talk to her, like
Speaker 1: I'm there for you, I'm not there even to see her.
Speaker 1: Like if I go the whole night without seeing her,
Speaker 1: it's looking cool, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do you really even want to go
Speaker 2: to this wedding that this fucking lady is gonna be at?
Speaker 2: Like when is the wedding even?
Speaker 1: Oh see, it wasn't planned yet. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like I just found out about the proposal not too
Speaker 1: long ago. I was like, oh, well, do we have
Speaker 1: date for the wedding? When is it? Like, let me
Speaker 1: know what it is that I can plan to fly
Speaker 1: out and be a part of it, because like, you're
Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine, I'd like to be
Speaker 1: a part of your special day kind of thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just a lot of resistance
Speaker 1: from him about it. It was just like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know who's going to be there kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, do you want do you
Speaker 2: want to be around that lady?
Speaker 1: You know, it's not about her, it's about him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I've looked past the fact
Speaker 1: that she's going to be there in order for me
Speaker 1: to show up for my friend.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well, clearly your ex is like influencing
Speaker 2: your friend to be like yo, like, you can't invite
Speaker 2: clearly this this woman is like, you know, throwing her
Speaker 2: weight around in the family dynamic, I suppose, and has
Speaker 2: has successfully influenced your friend to be like you're out,
Speaker 2: you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean yeah, And granted that's that's his older sister. He's
Speaker 1: known her his entire life. But in the short time
Speaker 1: that I knew him, I'm like, come on, we're boys.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been through some stuff together, Truman's with
Speaker 1: the roomies kind of stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she got she she got in way earlier
Speaker 2: than you did. I mean, because I actually I thought
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought you met the sister through your
Speaker 2: friendship with the brother. But if you start the friendship
Speaker 2: with the brother through relationship with the sister, that's a
Speaker 2: bit of a different story, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so are you saying that? Like, so, what,
Speaker 1: what in your opinion should I should I feel about
Speaker 1: this situation? Like to me.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I'm not in the business of telling people
Speaker 2: what they should feel. But any ponders feel feel whatever
Speaker 2: you want. Any Well, that is my ponder is, like,
Speaker 2: you know, look, you met this guy, you lived with
Speaker 2: him for a year. You guys became good friends, you
Speaker 2: dated this girl, and now you're in a new city
Speaker 2: you don't live. How often do you talk to this guy?
Speaker 2: Are you like really good friends with them?
Speaker 1: I mean talking and you know, sending each other memes
Speaker 1: or two different things, I guess, but at least every
Speaker 1: other day we'll have a text conversation about something, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I'm I'm a pretty big proponent of calling
Speaker 1: your friends because like, I've moved around a lot in
Speaker 1: my life, so all like five of I would call
Speaker 1: my best friends, like my inner circle everyone lives in
Speaker 1: a different city that I've lived in kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it's like whenever I get the chance, I like
Speaker 1: to shoot people's phone calls and just kind of like
Speaker 1: even it's just for like ten minutes, Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1: You know, like, how's life, what's new? Everything good?
Speaker 2: So again, again, when you talked to your friend about this,
Speaker 2: what was his vibe? Was he like, ah, yeah, sorry
Speaker 2: about though? Like what was his vibe like was he
Speaker 2: being apologetic or was he just like ah sorry, man.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like my hands are tied like it did
Speaker 1: come off as if like it was his own decision,
Speaker 1: which obviously we already talked about the influence behind the decision.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, But at the same time, he did make
Speaker 1: it sound like it was like his call, which at
Speaker 1: the same time, I feel like I did mention something
Speaker 1: about like, hey, you know you you are in a
Speaker 1: position to say no to her. I mean, it's your
Speaker 1: fucking wedding. It's not like it's her wedding, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, but it's true, he is in a position,
Speaker 2: but he didn't take it. You know, it's a bummer.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how you should feel. But it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he assessed the situation. You came in after
Speaker 2: you know you you you your relationship with him formed
Speaker 2: after the relationship with her. It's just it's a mess.
Speaker 2: I think it's an understandable, lee fragile situation your homie.
Speaker 2: But listen, your homie probably is not stoked about I
Speaker 2: don't think this is like a reflection of your friendship
Speaker 2: with homie. I don't think he stoked about it. But
Speaker 2: I think he, for whatever reason, has made the decision
Speaker 2: to you know, he's the piece I suppose, or he's
Speaker 2: his sister by not having you there. Now, how you
Speaker 2: should feel about it, I don't know, but whether or
Speaker 2: not you want to now if you were like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't feel valued in this friendship because
Speaker 2: you didn't stand up for me whatever, and you want
Speaker 2: to start spending you know, sending a few less means
Speaker 2: to this guy. That's understanding.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think that I'm taking it personally
Speaker 1: in any kind of way. I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 1: the where where is the real issue with me actually
Speaker 1: going because outside of her?
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but it doesn't Yeah, but we can
Speaker 2: ponder on this stuff. But like it doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: because he made the decision already, you know.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's not something that I want to press either,
Speaker 1: like not at least in a conversation. It's not something
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna bring up again and be like, hey
Speaker 1: you think about it again, like you have any second thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I think here's the thing is, like,
Speaker 2: if you decide you're offended and you don't want to
Speaker 2: be homies with this guy anymore, like you know, I
Speaker 2: think that's justified. But also if you're like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be homies with this guy, don't like be homies
Speaker 2: with him. But then yeah, also like press him about it.
Speaker 2: Also also who knows, right, the wedding hasn't even been planned, right,
Speaker 2: there's not even a date, And you just broke up
Speaker 2: with this lady two fucking months ago, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like it was a little longer than two months,
Speaker 1: but I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so who knows this la By the time that
Speaker 2: this lady, by the time that your brother gets married
Speaker 2: and whatever, maybe she moves, like things could evolve emotionally
Speaker 2: to the point where you are you are invited back
Speaker 2: by I don't think you should press about it. I
Speaker 2: don't think you should be like, you know, you should
Speaker 2: let it consume you necessarily.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was just a bummer. It's
Speaker 1: not like all consuming. It was more just again me
Speaker 1: trying to figure out outside of the obvious my sister's
Speaker 1: going to be there, Like, is there is there like
Speaker 1: anything else, you know, like there's something about me because
Speaker 1: there was one time pretty shortly after the breakup where
Speaker 1: I did I mean, I was drinking and doing a
Speaker 1: lot of drugs because I mean I had all this
Speaker 1: ring money just sitting around. So what do you do
Speaker 1: with it. I got like five breakup tattoos, did a
Speaker 1: lot of coke, drank a lot, and so then like
Speaker 1: there was this restaurant that I let, like my favorite
Speaker 1: restaurant right by where I used to hang out after
Speaker 1: work at the bar, but I had been there for
Speaker 1: like eight hours drinking and non you know, nonsense. And
Speaker 1: then me and he's like, yo, dude, guess where I'm
Speaker 1: going tonight. I'm like, oh shit, like where he said
Speaker 1: the name of the restaurant, like my favorite restaurant, which
Speaker 1: was right around the corner, and I was like, ah, dude,
Speaker 1: like let me tell him, you know, like let's go
Speaker 1: like order some appetizers, like there was this one duff
Speaker 1: thing that I really loved there, and he was just like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know I would, but there's gonna be like other
Speaker 1: characters with me. And then I'm like all right, fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: And so then I sat at the bar and I
Speaker 1: kept drinking. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go sit at the bar at that restaurant and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna eat the duft thing that I wanted because this
Speaker 1: is my life. And then like later that night he
Speaker 1: texted me he was just like, yo, like she totally
Speaker 1: saw you, and she was like kind of pissed off
Speaker 1: that you were there. But like I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: talk to them at all, Like I didn't even look
Speaker 1: in their direction. I just enjoyed myself and my food
Speaker 1: and my drink. But again, that was definitely not the
Speaker 1: smartest decision. But that was the only time anything like that.
Speaker 2: Every So when he said when he said his sister
Speaker 2: was there, your ex was there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. So it was like their dads
Speaker 1: birthday that they went out for. I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: other characters are going to be there. Fuck you. I'm
Speaker 1: my own person. I'm gonna go eat at the bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah listen, which again bad decision, but I was also
Speaker 1: heavily intoxicated, and I I was just kind of like
Speaker 1: in a fuck you mood. I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do what I want to do with my life because
Speaker 1: it's my life and I can do that. But again,
Speaker 1: when when you say those things, the things that you
Speaker 1: do with that sentence aren't always very justifiable. Usually use
Speaker 1: that statement when you're doing things that you kind of
Speaker 1: know in the back of your head you shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 2: That is that is kind of hilarious. But you were
Speaker 2: there on their dad's birthday. I thought it was just
Speaker 2: because I thought I thought it was just your friend,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like trying to like keep his
Speaker 2: friend groups apart or whatever the fuck he's doing. But
Speaker 2: the fact that it was the family birthday and you're
Speaker 2: just there at the bar like in their eyeline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Like she totally just like looking at me
Speaker 1: the whole time, apparently like why is he here? And
Speaker 1: I went with my buddy that I was sitting at
Speaker 1: the bar with. I was like, have you ever been
Speaker 1: to this restaurant? And he was like no.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I was like, come on, we're going, We're going to
Speaker 1: order some food.
Speaker 2: Listen, here's okay, okay. That story has informed me a
Speaker 2: little bit more on what the dynamic is over here.
Speaker 2: And uh, listen, brother, my friends, what's your name again?
Speaker 1: Elijah?
Speaker 2: Elijah, Elijah Brother. I think you gotta let this go.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm working every day towards it. You know,
Speaker 1: every day gets a little bit better.
Speaker 2: I think I think you gotta let it go. I
Speaker 2: think that your impulse to move across the country is
Speaker 2: not necessarily a wrong one, but I think if you're
Speaker 2: moving across the country to build a new life for yourself.
Speaker 2: I think you should invest in the life that you
Speaker 2: are building in that new country and perhaps lay to
Speaker 2: waste the emotional energy that you still have in the
Speaker 2: life in which you left behind, which includes, uh somewhat
Speaker 2: emotionally divesting yourself from that family in general.
Speaker 1: To see, I've had that thought too, because I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie despite the fact that he's my boy, like
Speaker 1: and you know, a pretty inner circle friend type situation.
Speaker 1: It's like talking to him sometimes does kind of like
Speaker 1: trigger you know how your brain makes connections. Well, obviously
Speaker 1: this guy's connected to that part of my life. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't want to let go
Speaker 1: of a very good friendship just because my friend.
Speaker 2: You don't Okay, you don't have to. You can keep
Speaker 2: sending to memes, but like I mean, let go of
Speaker 2: uh you know this, like like I'd let go of
Speaker 2: the wedding thing, I'd let go of like any any
Speaker 2: kind of like a negative emotional energy you're getting from
Speaker 2: this guy, like he's let it go. Is fucking if
Speaker 2: if if things are now weird with him and like
Speaker 2: the family events because of this restaurant situation, and because
Speaker 2: of the breakup. Just let it. Just let it go
Speaker 2: and let him have as much uh.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Let it go and let him have as much involvement
Speaker 2: in your life as he desires to have, you know,
Speaker 2: don't I wouldn't go to I wouldn't and I would
Speaker 2: also not get to because you're getting pissed off about
Speaker 2: this stuff and it's just like taking you away from
Speaker 2: your life.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I'm pissed off. I'm just more
Speaker 1: like inquisitive of you know, like the greater Why. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, that's just me personally.
Speaker 2: Sound you sound like you sound like you're as inquisitive
Speaker 2: of the greater why as much as you wanted to
Speaker 2: go to that restaurant that they were going to that night.
Speaker 1: Well, why you gotta say it like that.
Speaker 2: Because you know I'm right?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So let's look, You've been on the phone with a
Speaker 2: human gecko man about this for twenty five minutes. So
Speaker 2: clearly it's taking up even even the inquisition, whether or
Speaker 2: not you believe it to be benign, it's hostile enough
Speaker 2: to your life that it's taking up precious brain resources
Speaker 2: that you could be using to you know, go talk
Speaker 2: to other beautiful women that exist on the planet, and
Speaker 2: you know, make make food and do all the other
Speaker 2: things with your life. So let it go as much
Speaker 2: as you possibly can. That's that's my Uh. Can I final?
Speaker 1: Can I branch off on what you just said just
Speaker 1: a little bit because I've been I've been listening to
Speaker 1: this for a few years now and a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a reoccurring scene that you put out there which
Speaker 1: I've been trying to take up, which is, is go go
Speaker 1: somewhere that has a you know, a community based around
Speaker 1: something that you like to do, and the city that
Speaker 1: I'm in now literally has none of those, And.
Speaker 2: Why then, why the fuck did you go there?
Speaker 1: I thought it would be a good idea, And I'm
Speaker 1: slowly finding out that this place because I've visited this
Speaker 1: city prior to me moving here, and it was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun visiting. But now that I live here, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, Uh, what city is it?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: It's Boston, Boston, Okay. There's nothing to do in Boston,
Speaker 2: nothing that.
Speaker 1: I like to do. And I mean I'm the type
Speaker 1: of person who likes to go out and like try
Speaker 1: something new too, you know what I mean? Like the
Speaker 1: last city I was in. There was like this pottery
Speaker 1: place where like you go and you spend I don't know,
Speaker 1: like sixty bucks and you do like a pottery lesson
Speaker 1: and you learn how to use a pottery wheel. And
Speaker 1: I had never done it before. I was like, fucking,
Speaker 1: I'll go do that. They did like it. There was
Speaker 1: like a cheese making thing. Now granted that's a little
Speaker 1: bit more like my niche, but like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll go out and I'll do that. They got top golf.
Speaker 1: I don't really golf, but like I go do that.
Speaker 1: But here it's like I have yet to find anything
Speaker 1: that peaks me or anything a lot like in that
Speaker 1: vein and then like I I go to bars a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's I'll go all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna all right. You're not gonna like
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say to you, Elijah h. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. It'll be it'll this. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it. I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 1: On it as you say it from a kind plate.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna like what I'm gonna have to say,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it to you. Okay, I think
Speaker 2: the the thing of your girlfriend being like, you know,
Speaker 2: you gotta get your drive up or whatever hurtful thing.
Speaker 2: Hurtful thing. But I think in some sense, when you're
Speaker 2: broken up with even if you really don't like the reason,
Speaker 2: and you can be like, oh she's a bit you
Speaker 2: know this and the other thing like you, you have
Speaker 2: to kind of look and be like, well, to what
Speaker 2: degree are they correct? You know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: so for you this thing of like uh, getting your
Speaker 2: drive up. I suppose, h you can live your life
Speaker 2: however you want to live, but like, if you want
Speaker 2: to indulge in community and you want to have these
Speaker 2: like you know you're talking about, Oh, there's nothing to
Speaker 2: do in Boston, it's like you got to get your
Speaker 2: entrepreneurial spirit up a little bit, you know, and see like,
Speaker 2: like how much have you really dug in there or
Speaker 2: tried to make a thing before you've concluded that in
Speaker 2: the entire city where millions of people live, and I
Speaker 2: think millions of people live in Boston, but where you
Speaker 2: know all these people live, that there's nothing for you
Speaker 2: to do. It's like, you know, I would say to
Speaker 2: you to you know, increase your drive and if there's
Speaker 2: nothing for which exists, then you know, perhaps you create
Speaker 2: it or you continue your search for it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, again in two months. I'm not saying that it
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. I'm just saying that I haven't found it yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: is a little.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you said it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: It hasn't exist. Well, until I see it, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: But okay, you know. But also, yeah, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the creation aspects, and we're going back to like that
Speaker 1: whole why why did the relationship end? Because I don't
Speaker 1: go out and fucking start my own thing. It's like, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Don't even have to say you don't even have you
Speaker 2: don't even have to start your own thing. But you
Speaker 2: got to give a little more of a push before
Speaker 2: you decide there's nothing that exists in Boston that's that
Speaker 2: you would like.
Speaker 1: You know, that's true. Yeah, I'll push it a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: Elijah. I'm rooting for you, Okay, I don't. I'm rooting
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: I think I appreciate it. I got I'm rooting.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for you. I'm in your corner. I want
Speaker 2: I want you to have a you know what, I
Speaker 2: want for you. I want you to have a fulfilling
Speaker 2: social life. I want you to have a fulfilling relationship.
Speaker 2: I want you to enjoy your fucking life. And I
Speaker 2: think that stewing over this thing is not additive to
Speaker 2: those goals. Let's say though, it is. Though, it is tempting.
Speaker 2: Though it is tempting, And I know that because I'm
Speaker 2: I too have been tempted by stewing over things that
Speaker 2: pissed me off. Yet bring me nowhere.
Speaker 1: Close to It's the one tree that you were told
Speaker 1: not to eat from. It looks the tastiest. You know,
Speaker 1: don't eat from this one tree. It's true, we're ending it.
Speaker 1: I do. I do have a comment that I knew
Speaker 1: that I ever got on here. I'd have to say.
Speaker 1: So recently you did this Thanksgiving thing with your sister.
Speaker 1: I have to know. This is just like a set
Speaker 1: that was awesome by the way, I mean, all of
Speaker 1: them are awesome, but I like it, and you have
Speaker 1: that you were even talking about just having real people
Speaker 1: on the podcast. And don't get me wrong, like I
Speaker 1: love all of your celebrity guests, but like just to
Speaker 1: have like your sister, who's just actually like for lack
Speaker 1: of a better words or just a fucking real person.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: But during that, during that you were you always ask
Speaker 1: what people's names are, and she's like, wow, you really
Speaker 1: do have name blindness. And then I was thinking to
Speaker 1: myself because I always thought it was a bit. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a running bit that you do on purpose.
Speaker 1: But then after she said that, I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a bit. But then I got like very
Speaker 1: uh like in my head, and I was like, but
Speaker 1: what if he told her beforehand that it's a running
Speaker 1: bit and she has to play along with it?
Speaker 2: You know, I've said, I've said multiple times it's not
Speaker 2: a bit. But also what really pisses me off is
Speaker 2: that people are like, oh, you're so forgetful, and it's
Speaker 2: like I could talk to someone for an hour, like like,
Speaker 2: quiz me on anything, Like we've been on the phone
Speaker 2: for thirty three minutes, quiz me on anything except I
Speaker 2: do remember your name. Surprisingly, but if you but if
Speaker 2: I forgot your name and you quizzed me on any
Speaker 2: other aspect of your life, I could probably give you
Speaker 2: the answer because I'm paying attention to what you're actually saying.
Speaker 2: Even if I've forgot.
Speaker 1: Your no, I'm I'm completely the same way. I'm horrible
Speaker 1: with names, but I'll never forget what you do to me,
Speaker 1: what you say to me, or how you treat me.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So I just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was funny how conspiracy. I got in
Speaker 1: my head after your sister was like, wow, you really
Speaker 1: do have a name blindness, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it is true.
Speaker 3: But then I got in my head. I was like,
Speaker 3: he probably told her to say that.
Speaker 2: No, that's true, that's your No, that's that's too much.
Speaker 2: It's like people, It's like people who say that the
Speaker 2: it's like people who say that the callers on this
Speaker 2: show are actors. It's like, I don't that would be.
Speaker 2: That'd be you know how much more work it would
Speaker 2: be to write a script and hire an actor to
Speaker 2: be on on this show than to just sit here
Speaker 2: and talk to whoever calls in. But Elijah is your name.
Speaker 2: I remember that. I'm rooting for you, Elijah. I hope
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you deeply. Thank you for your time. So tour,
Speaker 1: I'm signed up, but like, can you can you drop it?
Speaker 1: Or you coming to Boston because I'm showing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm planning to come to Boston in September. I
Speaker 2: know it's a long way away Retember.
Speaker 1: Well, fine, that's totally fine. Well, I hope to talk
Speaker 1: to you again at some point in the universe. This
Speaker 1: has been very helpful in more ways than one. I
Speaker 1: suppose you know. Yeah, dude, fucking real quick, what do
Speaker 1: you got planned for the rest of the day. Anything cool?
Speaker 1: You're hanging out?
Speaker 2: What do I have planned for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna finish recording this podcast and then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: probably edit more, probably have more work to do. Man,
Speaker 2: I gotta edit a video. I gotta do other stuff.
Speaker 1: But uh, I forget that, this is your job. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna get drunk and place the more Kingdom
Speaker 1: Hearts three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go do that, man, Go go enjoy the toy
Speaker 2: Story three world.
Speaker 1: I'm literally in the toy story world. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: All right, but you have you have a great resume.
Speaker 2: Day geck, thank you, Elijah. You have a good one man,
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: Peace.
Speaker 2: That was Elijah. I'm rooting for him. I hope he
Speaker 2: finds a good uh life for himself. Whatever weddings are
Speaker 2: stupid anyway, they have they have too much water. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. I just wanted to say
Speaker 2: something friend, cool, Hello, Hello, what's up man?
Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, not much. I am awake today.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. A lot of people aren't. A
Speaker 2: lot of people are not awake. A lot of people
Speaker 2: are dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a certain amount of people died died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a certain amount of people did die today.
Speaker 3: One of them wasn't me. It wasn't you. It wasn't
Speaker 3: you either.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? I know, I know. I've like I've
Speaker 2: I've gotten too fucking deep into all this like existential stuff.
Speaker 2: But once you start thinking about it, you can't you
Speaker 2: really can't stop.
Speaker 3: It's literally okay. Wait, I think I think we're in
Speaker 3: some kind of loop because I started listening to your
Speaker 3: podcast again recently, like in the past two or three weeks,
Speaker 3: I've gotten more into it. And I think the reason
Speaker 3: I answered this phone call the way I did was
Speaker 3: because I've been listening to you talk to people about
Speaker 3: existential shit, and now here I am being like, oh, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm alive today.
Speaker 2: It's I'm spreading it like a virus or something.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, I've developed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know what the funny thing is though,
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to write something about this because I'm
Speaker 2: like going, it's like, there's people who go their whole
Speaker 2: lives they never think about existential stuff, and they get
Speaker 2: the points more than people who spend all their time
Speaker 2: thinking about it. Because if you spend your whole life
Speaker 2: thinking about life, you know, it's stupid. You should be
Speaker 2: living life. I was my friends my friend once was.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my friend about this kind of
Speaker 2: existential stuff and he's like, he's like, it's like if uh,
Speaker 2: it's like buying a dog and being like, oh, this
Speaker 2: dog is going to die one day. And my friend
Speaker 2: was like, that's not the point of the dog is
Speaker 2: that it's gonna die one day.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's just stupid. It's it's stupid to
Speaker 2: think too much about it. I mean, it's not stupid
Speaker 2: to think too much about it, but it's no, it's
Speaker 2: stupid to think too much about it. There's an optimal amount.
Speaker 2: There's an optimal amount of thinking about life. There's an
Speaker 2: optimal amount.
Speaker 3: Do it right. It makes you appreciate the cleanness of
Speaker 3: the dog more. Yeah, and maybe you spend some more
Speaker 3: present days with the dogs because you know it will die.
Speaker 2: But that's stupid too, because like, uh, man, can I
Speaker 2: get I'm gonna get dark for a second, please, Like
Speaker 2: I've been hanging out with my I was with my
Speaker 2: parents over Thanksgiving, and uh, when you're really existential and
Speaker 2: you're with your parents, all you can think about is like, fuck,
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna be gone. And I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: let me really soak up the this is depressing, but okay,
Speaker 2: I'm like, let me really soak up and try to
Speaker 2: be present in the moments that I feel like are fleeting.
Speaker 2: And I've realized that whether you were present or not,
Speaker 2: they're gonna still fleet you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: like you can be you can be so present, but
Speaker 2: it's still not gonna do it. It's not going to
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had that kind of similar experience of visit my
Speaker 3: grandma this Thanksgiving, and I had those kind of same
Speaker 3: thoughts sitting there with her. But she's interesting because she
Speaker 3: starts talking about death now ever since she hit like
Speaker 3: eighty yeah, which is just crazy because she's like a
Speaker 3: person who like will tell me that she's still afraid
Speaker 3: of death, and that's just like crazy to hear, and
Speaker 3: like it kind of scares me because I want to
Speaker 3: get to a place where i'm her age and I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm getting older whatever, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 3: she's like very much like, oh I woke up today,
Speaker 3: my back hurts, Oh my god, I'm gonna die. My
Speaker 3: life sucks, and so I freak herself out.
Speaker 2: You know, shit, yeah, no, no, you imagine. Yeah, you'd
Speaker 2: like to imagine that by the time you get to eighty,
Speaker 2: you're ready. But to meet someone who's eighty and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to go. That's the most terrifying thing
Speaker 2: I've heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, here's the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2: Well, well yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh did you eat breakfast today?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I yeah, ad a protein bar. We'll be fine. It'll
Speaker 2: blue cares. You know, I've been not I've been dead
Speaker 2: for most of the time.
Speaker 1: You're dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been dead most of the time. Like I
Speaker 2: was like, uh like like, for example, like a history
Speaker 2: is interesting to me because I'll read about like, uh,
Speaker 2: like you kind of think that.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 2: I think I'm a nar Sometimes I think I'm a
Speaker 2: narcissist because really, unconsciously, unconsciously, I think I have a
Speaker 2: belief within me that the universe doesn't exist unless if
Speaker 2: I'm actively there to perceive it, which is a crazy
Speaker 2: thing to believe, even unconsciously, So like this is stupid.
Speaker 2: I'll be reading about like like the French Revolution on Wikipedia,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, where was I during all this?
Speaker 2: It's like, you didn't you were you were? You didn't,
Speaker 2: you were nothing. You had nothing to do with the
Speaker 2: French Revolution. There's an infinite amount you had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: You had nothing to do with a guy in China
Speaker 2: eating food today. You had not like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. There's infinite amount of things that you had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with. You didn't matter for them. And
Speaker 2: but that's fine. You shouldn't want to be that important.
Speaker 1: You could be.
Speaker 2: You could be so important. You could be like like
Speaker 2: Donald Like I was thinking about like Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: like like everyone's talking about him and all the time
Speaker 2: he's he's theoretically he's the probably important is the wrong word.
Speaker 2: But he's the most perceived individual on the planet. Probably, right,
Speaker 2: he's the most Yeah, he's at least the top five
Speaker 2: most perceived talked about individual on the planet right now,
Speaker 2: and by like, by the time I have kids and
Speaker 2: they're my age, he'll be long dead and they'll nobody's
Speaker 2: talking about him anymore. Nobody will be talking about him
Speaker 2: by people.
Speaker 3: So many people measure their success in terms of like
Speaker 3: how how relevant am I? Mm hm. He might very
Speaker 3: well be one of those people.
Speaker 2: Exactly. He's the most relevant guy on the planet, and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like he was never any and even
Speaker 2: he the most relevant guy in the way, he's going
Speaker 2: to be like he was never anything. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: kind of Do I think he's happy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like is that our goal in life to be happy?
Speaker 2: I think I have to say I think that because
Speaker 2: he's the president and he's like doing all this stuff,
Speaker 2: whether or not, Like I think I think he seems
Speaker 2: to be deeply present in his life, you know what
Speaker 2: I like to be. Uh, Like, if you're giving a
Speaker 2: press conference and you're talking to the world and you're
Speaker 2: like commanding the military. I don't know whether or not
Speaker 2: he commands the military, he probably has some how to
Speaker 2: do that for him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he's like meeting with Zoran Mondam and he's doing
Speaker 2: He's just like every day, Like every day he's doing
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. So I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: so I think so he's probably happy only because he's
Speaker 2: so deeply present in his life at the age of
Speaker 2: seventy nine. And by the way, and also by the way,
Speaker 2: like you can be like really angry and really afraid
Speaker 2: and really greedy and really wanting, but those are all
Speaker 2: like present emotions, you know, like if you're like, yeah, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's depressed, you know, like because if
Speaker 2: you're depressed, like if you're sitting alone in a room
Speaker 2: and you're not doing anything and you're like, oh, what
Speaker 2: should I do with my life? Then you're depressed and
Speaker 2: you start going into despair. But he's not sitting around
Speaker 2: like what should I do with my life? He's like
Speaker 2: he's at minimum. I don't know if he's like happy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if what happy means,
Speaker 2: but he's at minimum extremely present in his life.
Speaker 3: I think I like meditate every morning or I try to,
Speaker 3: and I spend so many of so much of my
Speaker 3: time thinking like we might who am I doing? And
Speaker 3: you're telling me this guy who probably was not I'm
Speaker 3: assuming he is not meditate. That's assumption I'm making. I
Speaker 3: don't think he wakes up every morning and meditates you
Speaker 3: figuring dead. No, and you're saying that he is far
Speaker 3: far more present than I am or perhaps ever will be.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, here's the thing. Overthrowing democracy takes a lot
Speaker 2: of presence, Like it takes like to stage a coup
Speaker 2: and over try to overthrow the US government. It's you
Speaker 2: have to be in your life. You know. You don't
Speaker 2: have time to get depressed when you're doing that. So
Speaker 2: in a way, I do think that that makes a
Speaker 2: person happy.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. I maybe I should find a hobby.
Speaker 2: Like that exactly. Yeah, I mean there's there's better. I
Speaker 2: think there's like for as in engaging as overthrowing the
Speaker 2: American government was is for him. I think you could
Speaker 2: find a similar level of engagement in like playing soccer.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that's a good point. Is it interesting
Speaker 3: that you were born at a time in history that
Speaker 3: your life progressed in such a sense that you are
Speaker 3: now a get go computer person, Like if you were
Speaker 3: born during the French Revolution? I wonder I think a
Speaker 3: lot about what my life would have looked like if
Speaker 3: I was born in a different period of time. So
Speaker 3: I feel like being born at this period of time
Speaker 3: has allowed me to grow up in a sense where
Speaker 3: I think a lot. But I feel like if I
Speaker 3: was born in a different period of time, I would
Speaker 3: and maybe have lived a very present life in the
Speaker 3: sense we're talking about where I was just like, fuck,
Speaker 3: I need I need to get some food and not
Speaker 3: get stabbed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, because we have access to more,
Speaker 2: Like the average person has access to so much more information.
Speaker 2: And this is only in the last like less than
Speaker 2: twenty years compared to how much along human beings have
Speaker 2: been around. We have access to infinitely more information than
Speaker 2: like every human being that has ever lived has basically, dude,
Speaker 2: last night, I don't know why, but last night I
Speaker 2: was getting really into North Korea. Like I was just
Speaker 2: like I was down. I was down like a YouTube
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. I was like reading about Kim Jong un
Speaker 2: and like, fucking, there's like seven maybe top ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't Kim Jong un. Maybe maybe he might be
Speaker 2: in the top ten, but he might I don't. He
Speaker 2: might be in the top ten most perceived people. I
Speaker 2: don't know. There's I feel like Sabrina Carpenter is probably
Speaker 2: perceived more than Kim Jong un. Is I mean he's perceived.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say there's twenty five million people. There's
Speaker 2: like twenty five million people in North Korea, and they
Speaker 2: all heavily perceived Kim Jong un every day. But how
Speaker 2: many monthly streams to Sabrina Carpenter get, She probably gets
Speaker 2: more than twenty five million. So she's probably more perceived
Speaker 2: at least in this moment than Kim jong'un.
Speaker 3: But she were perceiving him last night.
Speaker 2: I was, I was perceiving him last night. I was
Speaker 2: watching some YouTube video and I was talking about how
Speaker 2: there's seven hundred and fifty I think, I think there's
Speaker 2: something like seven hundred and fifty thousand troops stationed along
Speaker 2: the border of North Korea and South Korea. And I
Speaker 2: was thinking about those people, because if you're guarding the
Speaker 2: border of North Korea and South Korea, you're and your
Speaker 2: whole life, you've been like propagandized to you know, believe,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, like whatever they're making you believe that
Speaker 2: you're doing. That's seven hundred and fifty thousand unique consciousnesses
Speaker 2: and human bodies that are no different in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form from mine, and for some reason, I'm
Speaker 2: like a guy living in America talking on a podcast
Speaker 2: thinking about all this stuff, and I'm like, there's and
Speaker 2: I was just watching it and I was like, why
Speaker 2: am I not guarding the border of North Korea right now?
Speaker 2: No reason, no reason, there's no fathomable reason why I'm
Speaker 2: not guarding the border of It's insane. You can't think
Speaker 2: about it too much, or else it'll ruin your life
Speaker 2: if I think too much about why I'm not. If
Speaker 2: I try to think too much about why I'm not
Speaker 2: guarding the border of North Korea right now, it'll ruin
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: Well, ultimately, it really doesn't matter why, because it's here
Speaker 3: and it's changing it so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm never gonna know. I'm never gonna know why,
Speaker 2: and it's only gonna distract me from because I don't
Speaker 2: live in the existential grandiosity of my life. I live
Speaker 2: in like the days, and thinking about why I'm not
Speaker 2: guarding the border of North Korea is not gonna make
Speaker 2: my days better. It's only gonna make them more freaky.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thought to have, but I think the
Speaker 3: key is kind of noting it and being like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm going to get back to the living now.
Speaker 2: It's true, like cool thought, dude, Yeah I remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, no, go ahead. I remember the day that
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk died. I was like on Mike, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I watched the video. Do you watch the video?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I actually didn't watch the video.
Speaker 2: Horrible video.
Speaker 3: I made a choice not to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a horrible video. Yeah, it's a horrible video.
Speaker 2: I watched it and I was like, it's a really
Speaker 2: just it's a really disturbing video. And I watched it
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh wow, I watched it. I
Speaker 2: was like I was like thinking about it, and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, this guy was just like he just
Speaker 2: like snap just died, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: it's like, fuck, you can just die. And that like
Speaker 2: really freaked me out thinking about that. Can he just
Speaker 2: dies dies? Snap die? Freaked me out. That and if
Speaker 2: just my whole day, like I was fucked up. And
Speaker 2: then I remember at one point I like went on
Speaker 2: YouTube and started watching something else and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I've moved on from that thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's in yeah, because I mean, you didn't really
Speaker 3: have any attachments to this particular person, so it kind
Speaker 3: of meant a lot to you for a second, and
Speaker 3: then you're like, Okay, my life continues on.
Speaker 2: But you know, even if I did have attachment to
Speaker 2: this person, yeah, like life style, life still moves on
Speaker 2: in a weird, well way.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I kind of I heard this thing in
Speaker 3: like my meditation practice, which is literally just me using
Speaker 3: the headspace app So yeah, whatever. But the thing that
Speaker 3: was said that kind of changed my perception of just
Speaker 3: the world and what I'm aiming for in life was
Speaker 3: that what I should be looking for is not happiness,
Speaker 3: because that's just a fleeting feeling, just like sadness. Is
Speaker 3: what I should be looking for is like a feeling
Speaker 3: of just being content and at ease with the fact
Speaker 3: that Okay, I'm here, I'm alive, and life goes on.
Speaker 3: Because like in life, you're going to like your loved
Speaker 3: ones are going to die, You are going to lose
Speaker 3: someone you care about or something you care about, and
Speaker 3: that's of course going to make you feel sad. It's
Speaker 3: supposed to. Just like you're going to experience things in
Speaker 3: life that make you feel happy. But the one thing
Speaker 3: you can carry consistently through both the happy and the
Speaker 3: sad moments is the feeling of contentment, because if both
Speaker 3: you and I are like, Okay, people are going to die.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be sad that's the cost of playing
Speaker 3: the game. Then that's us saying like okay, Like we
Speaker 3: might not be like okay or thralled with the fact
Speaker 3: that our loved ones are passing away, but we're ultimately
Speaker 3: accepting of it because we know it's inevitable. So in
Speaker 3: that way, even when we're like super depressed or sad
Speaker 3: about something or at least content to still be alive
Speaker 3: playing the game and we know that different sueings will come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's when I feel the best. It's
Speaker 2: when I well, actually, I feel like I feel the
Speaker 2: best when I'm deeply in the present because I'm completing
Speaker 2: something that uh, I feel the best. I think when
Speaker 2: i'm deeply in the present because I have achieved something
Speaker 2: that I have been working hard towards. H or I'm like, actually,
Speaker 2: that's probably when I feel the best is when I'm
Speaker 2: deeply in the present because I've achieved something I've been
Speaker 2: working hard towards. And then also when I feel content
Speaker 2: and when I feel like when I start like, ah
Speaker 2: want like I'll like when I want the life that
Speaker 2: I already have that feels good. Yeah, it's a form
Speaker 2: of contentment. It's not like a manic happiness. Actually, when
Speaker 2: I get like manically when I get like manically happy,
Speaker 2: I'll like I sometimes I'm walking down the street and
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, oh fuck, I wanna I'm when is
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm walking down the street and I'm like looking
Speaker 2: at my watch like when is this gonna be over?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and then sometimes I'm but also but
Speaker 2: then I have the opposite effect where I'll be sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll be walking down the street like in New York,
Speaker 2: and I'm like looking around all the people and the stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, wait, I really like life. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I hope I get to do a lot more of this.
Speaker 2: You know, it's between that. It's either it's either it's
Speaker 2: either you know, I think we did it. I think
Speaker 2: I'm ready versus oh no, I want to do a
Speaker 2: lot more. So I don't know. That's I think that's
Speaker 2: part of being uh but I guess mentally ill or
Speaker 2: I'm not mentally ill, But you know, I meant, you
Speaker 2: know whatever high high as Lo lows all that jazz.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I I okay. I think I kind of
Speaker 3: relate to what you're saying. I kind of like I
Speaker 3: was thinking a lot about whether I got to like
Speaker 3: my talking about my grandma just Thanksgiving. It's like I
Speaker 3: wonder if I accept death, and I don't think I do.
Speaker 3: But there are some moments where I look around and
Speaker 3: I go, man, I'm just I'm happy to have done
Speaker 3: what I've done. And those are like really cool because
Speaker 3: I feel really wise in those moments. But then, like
Speaker 3: the more common more of the time, I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm just like, fuck, I have more I want to do.
Speaker 3: How I haven't done it yet. I'm turning twenty six
Speaker 3: this month.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah. I mean you ever look at like, oh,
Speaker 2: I do this all the time. I'll look at like
Speaker 2: a sixty year old guy and he's walking around, he's
Speaker 2: eating soup, it's making plans, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: that's like two more of me plus a few years.
Speaker 2: He's not freaking out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's good.
Speaker 2: What do you want to do that you haven't done?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I I think one of my biggest
Speaker 3: purposes in life that I am just excited to get
Speaker 3: to is to have of a family, like I really want,
Speaker 3: I really want to like raise kids and have a
Speaker 3: wife that I stay with. It really excites me. So
Speaker 3: I think that remains the thing that kind of keeps
Speaker 3: me motivated. And in addition, like just little moments of
Speaker 3: just being present really excite me about life. Like I
Speaker 3: produce music, and when I like finish a song I've
Speaker 3: been working on means a lot to me and I'm
Speaker 3: really happy. And when when I spend time with friends
Speaker 3: and when I go on a hike, you know, like
Speaker 3: those are moments that really bring me joy. So I'm
Speaker 3: excited to do more of those and have like more
Speaker 3: experiences because I love experiences. But like at some point,
Speaker 3: just like having little experiences doesn't feel like a complete purpose,
Speaker 3: you know, to me. That's why I feel like my
Speaker 3: my answer is the family thing, because that just feels
Speaker 3: like more of a natural Okay, this is what my
Speaker 3: art wants to grow into, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you gotta have a little universe of
Speaker 2: your own. That's what That's when I feel that I
Speaker 2: happy is when I'm like in my own universe that
Speaker 2: I feel like I've created, you know, like little like, yeah,
Speaker 2: little experiences are kind of fleeting, but like, yeah, when
Speaker 2: you're in kind of your own universe and having a family,
Speaker 2: it's like the ultimate version of creating your own universe.
Speaker 2: You're creating like a place where you are. You're you're
Speaker 2: creating a thing that deeply needs you.
Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah. I left. I left like my whole life behind,
Speaker 3: and I moved to Portland in August. And I feel
Speaker 3: like I've just been having like little experiences here because
Speaker 3: I haven't really you know, gotten into my little niche yet.
Speaker 3: And like over Thanksgiving, I just made this kind of
Speaker 3: manic decision, like fuck, I'm just getting in my car
Speaker 3: and driving. And then I ended up driving in the
Speaker 3: direction of home. And that's when I visited my family
Speaker 3: and my grandma and my friends, and I felt like
Speaker 3: I was kind of in my bubble again. That felt
Speaker 3: really comfortable of people I care about and love and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And I really needed that. And I came back here
Speaker 3: and like it's it's hard because I know I will find,
Speaker 3: you know, those comfortable places here, but I just haven't
Speaker 3: completely gotten figured out yet. So some days I've been
Speaker 3: pretty hard being and I don't have my support system,
Speaker 3: like in person.
Speaker 2: Why why did you move to Portland.
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to experience living somewhere else that wasn't home.
Speaker 3: So I've always kind of had this thing in me,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can't stay here forever. I
Speaker 3: need to go see what it's like somewhere else. As
Speaker 3: much as I like love the people, my friends and
Speaker 3: family back at home, I felt like, more so for
Speaker 3: my soul, I needed like adventure. So like I did
Speaker 3: a trip to Europe too before I moved here. It's
Speaker 3: like one hundred days just fucking around, walking around, and
Speaker 3: that was cool for like the adventure bug. And then
Speaker 3: now I'm here just seeing what's up, and it's really
Speaker 3: fun and exciting some days, and other days it's like
Speaker 3: incredibly depressingly lonely, and I questioned my decisions, but it's
Speaker 3: it's just kind of accentuating the roller coaster for me,
Speaker 3: is what I've noticed. Mm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big thing for me as well as
Speaker 2: like you, the balance between desiring adventure and desiring like
Speaker 2: like stability. Although it's funny because when I was when
Speaker 2: I'm watching the North Korea thing or like getting or
Speaker 2: like I'm getting really into like what life is like
Speaker 2: in other places, I'm like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: such stupid problems. Yeah, when you really think, when I
Speaker 2: really think about it, I'm like, it's fun because like
Speaker 2: like when you're waiting in like the bread line and
Speaker 2: like the Soviet rushier or whatever the fuck, you know,
Speaker 2: you're not like do I want stability or adventure? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like a.
Speaker 2: Strong it's it's a strongly uh, it's a super like
Speaker 2: first world problem. But also whatever it's it's totally a privilege.
Speaker 2: But it's like, well, fuck, I live in the that's
Speaker 2: I have. This is my life and my brain. So whatever,
Speaker 2: all your problems are always like relative to your own existence,
Speaker 2: you know, and whatever existence, however extra ravagance it may be,
Speaker 2: it'll always have problems. However, however extravagant or shitty your
Speaker 2: existence is, it could always be more extravagant and you,
Speaker 2: or it could always be more shitty.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's something that you can go up in
Speaker 3: your head. Yeah, compared your life to the lady. Imagine
Speaker 3: every serpist you ever had, just compared your life to
Speaker 3: the starving lady and Soviet Russia waiting in the breadline,
Speaker 3: and you're just like okay, thank you, let me leave.
Speaker 3: You leave therapy. They don't do that.
Speaker 2: They don't do they do that.
Speaker 3: They engage your problems as for what they are.
Speaker 2: They do. And here's what I think. I think when
Speaker 2: I go to my therapist, sometimes like half the time
Speaker 2: I want her to engage with my problems and I
Speaker 2: want to take them seriously. But then half the time
Speaker 2: she should be she should be like, you know, you
Speaker 2: could be starving to death in Russia, and that's also good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you engage. Yeah, sometimes you engage your problems,
Speaker 2: and then other times, you know, you kind of have
Speaker 2: to be like I could. My life is amazing, I
Speaker 2: could be starving to death in Russia.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You ever heard the saying license too serious to
Speaker 3: be taken seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard something like that.
Speaker 3: Does that make any sense to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It's kind of
Speaker 2: trying to hold those two things in one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're both true. It somehow makes sense.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be funny if we both just died right now?
Speaker 3: It'd be crazy. Yeah, that'd be crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we both just like I don't know what, Like
Speaker 2: we both just got had like aneurysms. Or we got
Speaker 2: exploded or sniped or something.
Speaker 3: Dude, terrifying. Can't like control that. I don't think it
Speaker 3: just happens time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, what's what's your name?
Speaker 3: Oh? My name is Cole Cole, Cole Cole.
Speaker 2: Let's not live our lives in fear of our own fragility.
Speaker 2: Let's not do that. I think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I do, I won't.
Speaker 2: I've begun to realize that I'm not special in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. I'm just as susceptible to disease and
Speaker 2: horrendous things as anyone else. It's a little scary, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not think about that. I encourage you to
Speaker 2: not think about that either.
Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing I need to work on.
Speaker 3: So thank you for identifying that for me. That's like
Speaker 3: a real that's like a real therapy moment for you, Like,
Speaker 3: that's yeah, you did a therapy for.
Speaker 2: Me, Thanks, Matt. I feel like we're doing it. We're
Speaker 2: doing a little therapy for each other.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah you think so? Do you feel therapized in
Speaker 3: some shape or form.
Speaker 2: I feel this conversation to be therapeutic.
Speaker 3: Right, I have I have one more thing for you.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I have a job.
Speaker 3: I have a job that I don't think anyone has
Speaker 3: talked about on the podcast. It might interest you. You
Speaker 3: might not give a ship because we've been talking about
Speaker 3: and I'm just talking about my career.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm interested. I'm curious if your job, in
Speaker 2: some way, shape or form creates existential dread. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Sorry, No, it's so, it's pretty basic. My job is
Speaker 3: I'm a bridge inspector.
Speaker 2: Your bridge inspector.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I look at bridges and then I assign them a rating.
Speaker 3: I give them a score on how good of a
Speaker 3: bridge they are.
Speaker 2: Do you ever do you encounter a lot of shitty bridges?
Speaker 3: Sometimes yes, because they're old. Sometimes or they were engineered wrong.
Speaker 3: But it's more likely that they just were old and
Speaker 3: people don't pay attention to them. Mm hmm, and then
Speaker 3: I shut them down. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you what is it that makes a bridge shitty?
Speaker 3: Corrosion? Okay, you know about corrosion, about corrosion, cracks, about cracks.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the word spall?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's like when you got concrete and like
Speaker 3: a big chunk of it falls out because there's cheeping
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a British slang term for jizl. I'm
Speaker 2: a spoil on your mom.
Speaker 3: Oh off book off.
Speaker 2: Does the does your job does your job in some way?
Speaker 3: Shop?
Speaker 2: What's your relationship? What's your job's relationship with your existential dread?
Speaker 3: My job's relationship with my existential dread is fuck. Because
Speaker 3: I I got out of school, I did like engineering.
Speaker 3: I got a degree in engineering, and I worked in
Speaker 3: in design because that's what most civil engineers do, is
Speaker 3: they graduate and go into like consulting work where they
Speaker 3: just like design stuff. And I I went to design
Speaker 3: and it's like every day I was in the office
Speaker 3: forty hours a week in my little cubicle, doing mostly
Speaker 3: computer work. And for me that was terrible because I
Speaker 3: was I just like, you know, I have whatever ADHD
Speaker 3: or whatever that I don't want to sit in the
Speaker 3: same place every day. And I only worked there for
Speaker 3: like eight months out of college, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck did I do? Like I spent all
Speaker 3: this time working towards my degree, and like here I am,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna die in these office walls. I was. I
Speaker 3: was not having it. It was crazy, and I found this
Speaker 3: job posting for the bridge inspection saying where I could
Speaker 3: use the degree I earned in civil engineering for this
Speaker 3: job where instead of being in the office all the time,
Speaker 3: I was in the office half the time and the
Speaker 3: other half the time I was like traveling around the
Speaker 3: country looking at a bridge. And to me, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's exactly what I need to keep
Speaker 3: myself from like bouncing off the walls. And it really
Speaker 3: has been. But there's also trade offs to that because
Speaker 3: sometimes when the travel is a lot, Like I had
Speaker 3: an issue with anxiety and panic attacks like a year
Speaker 3: and a half ago, and it was kind of related
Speaker 3: to my travel at the time, and I had to
Speaker 3: tone it back a little bit, so like that was
Speaker 3: really hard. So I was like, fuck, now now I'm
Speaker 3: traveling too much and I want to chill out more.
Speaker 3: But anyways, that's a lot of information. But this job
Speaker 3: ultimately is really working for me again now because I've
Speaker 3: kind of gotten I understand my anxiety a lot more
Speaker 3: and it took a lot of time to grow and
Speaker 3: go to therapy and stuff like that, and it's working
Speaker 3: for me because half the time I'm in the office
Speaker 3: and then right about the time I start getting jumpy
Speaker 3: and want to bounce off the walls. I go and
Speaker 3: inspect the bridge for a week outside and I breathe
Speaker 3: in air, and I think, ultimately the job is working
Speaker 3: for me in that regard. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Do you do you ever encounter any bridge trolls?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, trolls. I don't. I don't think I've
Speaker 3: ever met a troll here in Portland. Sometimes people like
Speaker 3: live live there and mostly they're pretty cool, and I
Speaker 3: just tell them, hey, like, if you don't want one
Speaker 3: to fuck with, you just don't have a fire down here,
Speaker 3: because the bridge owners stood upset when when they have
Speaker 3: a fire.
Speaker 1: But they're not.
Speaker 3: Trolls, They're just they're just people living under a bridge.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, if I saw a troll, I'd
Speaker 3: be scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be terrifying, that would I wonder if that
Speaker 2: would increase your existential dread or if that would make
Speaker 2: you feel like there is that like there's fantastical things
Speaker 2: out there for you.
Speaker 3: That yeah, kind of mystical. Uh. The one thing that
Speaker 3: does increase my dread is just this exists to every job,
Speaker 3: but it's like the corporate ladder flash people trying to
Speaker 3: get promotions and message each other on LinkedIn and make
Speaker 3: posts about how we're working as a company. We're a
Speaker 3: great company, and networking events and shit like that. Like
Speaker 3: that whole side of work just kills my spirit. I
Speaker 3: don't know why. I don't know why I can't just
Speaker 3: genuinely jump in and be like, oh, yes, sorry, I
Speaker 3: work for this company and we're the best at what
Speaker 3: we do, and it's very nice to meet you. But
Speaker 3: it just all feels so fake to me because I'm
Speaker 3: just going to make money so I.
Speaker 2: Can go on a hike, you know, Like, Yeah, by
Speaker 2: the way, that's not a defect in your existence. That's
Speaker 2: uh uh Honestly, that's a shared sentiment among a lot
Speaker 2: of people. So I don't think you're crazy for feeling that. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't think you're crazy for not having strong pride
Speaker 2: in the company and just being there for a paycheck,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I don't I don't
Speaker 2: think you're I don't think that's completely insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some people just like to hustle. Maybe that's how
Speaker 3: they get their worth.
Speaker 2: What did you say your name? What did you say
Speaker 2: your name was?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 1: My name is Cole Cole.
Speaker 2: This was there. This was a therapeutic conversation. I didn't
Speaker 2: I did enjoy this, and I hope that. I hope
Speaker 2: that the both of us live very long lives and
Speaker 2: eventually when we're eighty, except hopefully we make it to eighty.
Speaker 2: I'd like to make it to eighty to be nice.
Speaker 2: You'll have a family, You'll like grandkids and shit, that'll
Speaker 2: be nice. Maybe I'll have a uh, you know, a
Speaker 2: spider or something I don't know, and well, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll have like a pet tarantula that I'll give my
Speaker 2: wroth ira two and we'll die, and more things will
Speaker 2: happen after us, and those people will enjoy life and
Speaker 2: eternity will be good.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna check the balance of my roth Ira.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling cool.
Speaker 3: Bye, Lyle.
Speaker 2: You can max out your roth Ira every year and
Speaker 2: you're still gonna die. Hello, folks, it's Lyle here. That's
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Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, what do you mean it's all over text?
Speaker 2: Because you guys spoke after she sent you the text? Right,
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Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, we have not spoken in person.
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Speaker 3: No, we've all made it over text.
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