WEBVTT - “I WAS UNINVITED TO MY FRIEND’S WEDDING”

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, what's up? Who is this? Is this? While? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? My goodness, that's amazing. My name is Elijah.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you Elijah? What's up? Man? How am I?

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<v Speaker 2>I am fine, I'm okay, I'm living life. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good. Actually, scale one's a ten like a seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel pretty good. I feel ready to have this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel really all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I do. I feel ready to have this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel I feel like I don't know what you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk to me about, but I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>can thoroughly engage with you for at least twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or that depending. I feel ready to engage with whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you have to talk to me about. That's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's amazing. Wow, you know, I hear it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot listening, and it's like, never thought I'd actually be

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<v Speaker 1>in this position. But everybody's like, oh man, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had all these things to say and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone, and what do I talk about? You

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<v Speaker 1>know you just had a blank But yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I had texted you earlier about something, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe that's a good jumping off point.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps, Sure, I didn't read the text, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So very good friend of mine is talking about his

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<v Speaker 1>wedding and I don't think that I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>invited to the wedding because I used to date his

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<v Speaker 1>sister and she is going to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, I okay, Now did you and the sister end

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<v Speaker 2>on good terms or bad terms? Or neutral terms?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say neutral ish, maybe, like a chaotic neutral possibly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she there wasn't necessarily anything wrong in the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just I feel that she had reached a

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<v Speaker 1>point where, you know, things may be fizzled out. You know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say this, and this is like the most

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up part about it, is that the main reason

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<v Speaker 1>she broke up with me is because I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to start my own business. That was literally like the

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<v Speaker 1>big because like I work corporate and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>very nice job and I'm still doing what I love

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<v Speaker 1>and I make good money doing it. She's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like you have a boss, you don't want to like

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<v Speaker 1>do your own thing, and like my industry, like my

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<v Speaker 1>field is like for you to be your own business owner,

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<v Speaker 1>you would be making way less money than what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing not owning my own business.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, So she broke up with you because she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't because you didn't want to start your own business?

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<v Speaker 2>What makes you now? What makes you feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>was the main thing versus like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely? She set it out right.

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<v Speaker 3>Really well.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that I had well it was more of

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<v Speaker 1>a drive thing. But that drive concept leads back to

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<v Speaker 1>me not wanting to start my own thing or own

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<v Speaker 1>my own thing. And I kept telling her, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's it's a lot of headaches, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stress that quite frankly, I would rather not

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<v Speaker 1>deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird. How long were you dating?

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<v Speaker 3>For?

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<v Speaker 1>About two years?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And did this did this idea of like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have enough drive come up a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not a lot. She had brought it up

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, so like for a reference, I'm a chef,

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<v Speaker 1>right as she was like, oh, you know, you could

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<v Speaker 1>do catering or you could open up your own restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff, like to leave my cushy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>insurance and for a one k gig to just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like jump out there. And now there's people that

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<v Speaker 1>do it and they're very successful. And I understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>but like risk to reward, I'd rather not be responsible for,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my future as much. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, Well yeah, it's not for everyone, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you don't want to do it. But also

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, you're a chef, right, you're working

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<v Speaker 2>for another. I mean, you're still you're still working hard,

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<v Speaker 2>You're still making the fucking food. It's just like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to have to do all the other bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>involved with making food, with opening a restaurant. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>because then then your job stops being making food and

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<v Speaker 2>then it becomes like posting and ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And a good advice that I got years

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<v Speaker 1>ago when I started doing this is that the higher

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<v Speaker 1>up you go in the food chain of a kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>the further away you get from the stove, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like why everybody falls in love with it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is the fire and the excitement and the and the

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<v Speaker 1>throwing salt on shit. But like, I mean, I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>a management position at this point where thankfully I get

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<v Speaker 1>to choose how much I get the cookers, like paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>involved too, and scheduling and stuff like that. But like

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day I worked for a

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<v Speaker 1>corporation that they're not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a job. The company's treated me very

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<v Speaker 1>well so far.

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<v Speaker 2>How was the relationship outside of that, like, did was

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<v Speaker 2>it relatively good?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I what's fucked up is that prior to

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<v Speaker 1>this relationship, I was with a girl for seven years

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<v Speaker 1>and I never once thought about like proposing to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of like complacent with the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was with this other girl for damn near

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<v Speaker 1>two years, and I had ring money saved up, like

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<v Speaker 1>I had like a couple grands saved up that I

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<v Speaker 1>was like waiting for the right time. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll book a trip and I'll get down on my knee.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as I'm thinking about this, she's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, we got to talk, and I'm like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what that means. That's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it about this woman that made marry her

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<v Speaker 2>so much?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there was just a lot of connections.

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<v Speaker 1>She was my previous relationship. That girl, she was just

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<v Speaker 1>like very much like a timid yes yes man kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, like oh you want to do this, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do that. But then like this other girl, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never been with somebody who was just so A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends said she was a bitch, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with that. She was just she just

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<v Speaker 1>knew what she wanted, you know what I mean. She'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, this is what I want. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, and I'd be like, hey, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go do this and she's like, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do that. Obviously, she would take what I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do every once in a while, even if

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't want to do it. You know, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to give a little bit in a relationship. But like

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that, I mean, it was just very there

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<v Speaker 1>was very much a connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was it?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it that attracted you so much? To that

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<v Speaker 2>energy of knowing what like her knowing what she wanted?

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't really tell you. Again, I think it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to my extremely long relationship before that, where I

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<v Speaker 1>never had that. I only found out after the fact,

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<v Speaker 1>like in an argument she'd be like, oh, well, like

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<v Speaker 1>I do this for you, you know, And like that

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<v Speaker 1>never came up with this girl because if she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it, she wouldn't and then if she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to do it, but she would do it

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<v Speaker 1>for me, she would just say that. She's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is your thing, Like I like to go

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<v Speaker 1>to concerts a lot, like kind of like like heavier concerts.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, I'll go with you, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go get ruffed up by a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>dudes in the pit with you. I'm like, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, stash her in the back by the

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<v Speaker 1>merch booth, and then I go have fun. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we still got to experience it together, just not

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And then she wouldn't complain. She's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I wanted to do. I just I'll

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the back, you go have fun. I'll drive

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<v Speaker 1>you home after you break your glasses in your leg.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you feel a lot of grief when she

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<v Speaker 2>broke up with you after you're planning to propose?

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually so bad that I moved across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is only a couple months ago, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I just moved here. I think I'm on months three.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going?

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<v Speaker 1>Is pros and cons? I mean my job, I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to move with my job, so they paid for

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<v Speaker 1>all the moving expenses. Where I'm living now, i'm paying

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<v Speaker 1>more for less. Like the last place I was living,

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<v Speaker 1>I was living in like the newest most high tech

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<v Speaker 1>apartment complex that there was, Like the if you left

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<v Speaker 1>the fridge open too long, it would like sing a

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<v Speaker 1>song that told you it was open too long. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the washer and dryer in the unit was like one

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I'd never seen that before. So like you

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<v Speaker 1>put your laundry in it washes and then afterwards you

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<v Speaker 1>said it to dry and you don't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>move the clothes. It was very nice. And now I

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<v Speaker 1>live in like a studio for like six hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>more months than like kind of a shadier part of town.

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<v Speaker 1>But I needed I needed the new experience, the new faces.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was really hard living in that city

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like I had taken this girl everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you go to those places and you're just

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<v Speaker 1>reminded of the times that you spent with that person

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<v Speaker 1>that you're never going to talk to again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have none of those memories here.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, I'm confused. And so I'm sorry if I

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<v Speaker 2>you said this already, But the job that you were

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<v Speaker 2>staying in That was the whatever straw that broke the

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<v Speaker 2>camel's back. Is it a remote job? Like, how were

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<v Speaker 2>you able to keep it?

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<v Speaker 1>No? So again, I worked for a big corporation. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to dox myself, but yeah, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel change. I just transferred hotels. They have an entire

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<v Speaker 1>website where it's like find a job, and then you look,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I saw one in the city that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>living in now, and then I applied for it. I

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<v Speaker 1>got the job, and then they were like, hey, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>move you all the way across the country into this

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<v Speaker 1>new city for a new job. It was a promotion too,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you move a do you know anyone there?

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<v Speaker 1>I this is up in New England and I have friends,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of close, like in New Hampshire and

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<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island, which is a bit of a trek but

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<v Speaker 1>still close enough. But yeah, I left like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>life that I had built for years down south to

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<v Speaker 1>move up north again. Right at the wrong time too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was snowing earlier and I was like, God, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen snow in years.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's two months and how are you feeling about

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<v Speaker 2>your decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel better about it every day. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hitting a stride here. I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>living going from a red state to a blue state

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<v Speaker 1>is very different because the price of cigarettes are outrageous.

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<v Speaker 1>M but I mean personally, but going back to if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't mind going back to like the initial thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So I met this girl, right, and then I met

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<v Speaker 1>her family. Obviously I miss was right around the time

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<v Speaker 1>I was having trouble with my roommate. I needed somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>a new to lips. So her younger brother, him and

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<v Speaker 1>I became friends. We got similar interests. He was like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm trying to move into this apartment. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to move in with me? So then him and

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<v Speaker 1>I were roommates for a full year. So we became

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<v Speaker 1>very good friends. And I remember after she broke up

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<v Speaker 1>with me, I went out and got very drunk, as

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<v Speaker 1>some people do, and I had called him. I was like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know what happened. He was like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she just talked to me about it. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but like we're still cool, right He's like yeah, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Like our relationship isn't affected by what you did with

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<v Speaker 1>my sister. You know, I was like cool, cool, But

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<v Speaker 1>now again I'm finding out that he's going to get

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<v Speaker 1>married and I'm like, oh, dude, like congratulations, Like when's

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding? Where is it? Like I'll try and take

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<v Speaker 1>some time off to come to it. And he's just

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah about that, Yeah I don't know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so how did that conversation go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was pretty much be like defending my

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<v Speaker 1>side of it because like my last day in that city,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the bar that I'd also preface. I

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced to her by my old boss because me

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<v Speaker 1>and my boss we would go out drinking all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was one of the regulars at this bar.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the one day. I'm still getting over my

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<v Speaker 1>seven year relationship, which I also moved across the country for.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a bad habit of getting broken up with

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<v Speaker 1>and moving to a brand new city I've never been to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like all depressed about this, that and the

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<v Speaker 1>other end, my boss text me and he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so and so is asking about you, and

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<v Speaker 1>mind Jesus, girl was phenomenally out of my league and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, right, you're probably just drunk. At the

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<v Speaker 1>bar and your wife left you, right, and you want

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to drink with, so you want me to come

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<v Speaker 1>to the bar. And then his wife text me and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, if you don't stop being fucking depressed and

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<v Speaker 1>come out to the bar and talk to this beautiful girl,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be pissed off at you. And at that

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<v Speaker 1>point I knew it was true, right all right? So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>fast forward four years later, I'm I go out to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with my boss in my last night in

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<v Speaker 1>the city, and she's there. I didn't talk to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say anything, you know, very just yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to talk to me, she'll talk to me. If not.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Also, as soon as she broke up with me, coincidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>she's with this other guy who lo and behold owns

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<v Speaker 1>his own like bar. So I want to say that

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe was playing into it a little bit, but yeah, yees.

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<v Speaker 1>So that I'm talking, I'm talking to my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, you know, if I go to the wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to fucking cause a scene, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, I'm not gonna if she doesn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I'm not going to talk to her, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm there for you, I'm not there even to see her.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if I go the whole night without seeing her,

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<v Speaker 1>it's looking cool, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you do you really even want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to this wedding that this fucking lady is gonna be at?

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<v Speaker 2>Like when is the wedding even?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh see, it wasn't planned yet. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like I just found out about the proposal not too

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. I was like, oh, well, do we have

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<v Speaker 1>date for the wedding? When is it? Like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is that I can plan to fly

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<v Speaker 1>out and be a part of it, because like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a very good friend of mine, I'd like to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of your special day kind of thing. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was just a lot of resistance

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<v Speaker 1>from him about it. It was just like, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who's going to be there kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like, I mean, do you want do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be around that lady?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's not about her, it's about him, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like I've looked past the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she's going to be there in order for me

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<v Speaker 1>to show up for my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, well, clearly your ex is like influencing

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<v Speaker 2>your friend to be like yo, like, you can't invite

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<v Speaker 2>clearly this this woman is like, you know, throwing her

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<v Speaker 2>weight around in the family dynamic, I suppose, and has

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<v Speaker 2>has successfully influenced your friend to be like you're out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean yeah, And granted that's that's his older sister. He's

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<v Speaker 1>known her his entire life. But in the short time

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<v Speaker 1>that I knew him, I'm like, come on, we're boys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've been through some stuff together, Truman's with

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<v Speaker 1>the roomies kind of stuff. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she got she she got in way earlier

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<v Speaker 2>than you did. I mean, because I actually I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I thought you met the sister through your

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<v Speaker 2>friendship with the brother. But if you start the friendship

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<v Speaker 2>with the brother through relationship with the sister, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a different story, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so are you saying that? Like, so, what,

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<v Speaker 1>what in your opinion should I should I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>this situation? Like to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, I'm not in the business of telling people

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<v Speaker 2>what they should feel. But any ponders feel feel whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want. Any Well, that is my ponder is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, look, you met this guy, you lived with

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<v Speaker 2>him for a year. You guys became good friends, you

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<v Speaker 2>dated this girl, and now you're in a new city

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<v Speaker 2>you don't live. How often do you talk to this guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you like really good friends with them?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean talking and you know, sending each other memes

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<v Speaker 1>or two different things, I guess, but at least every

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<v Speaker 1>other day we'll have a text conversation about something, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm I'm a pretty big proponent of calling

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<v Speaker 1>your friends because like, I've moved around a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, so all like five of I would call

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<v Speaker 1>my best friends, like my inner circle everyone lives in

0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.040
<v Speaker 1>a different city that I've lived in kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like whenever I get the chance, I like

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot people's phone calls and just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>even it's just for like ten minutes, Hey, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like, how's life, what's new? Everything good?

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<v Speaker 2>So again, again, when you talked to your friend about this,

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<v Speaker 2>what was his vibe? Was he like, ah, yeah, sorry

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<v Speaker 2>about though? Like what was his vibe like was he

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<v Speaker 2>being apologetic or was he just like ah sorry, man.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like my hands are tied like it did

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<v Speaker 1>come off as if like it was his own decision,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously we already talked about the influence behind the decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, But at the same time, he did make

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<v Speaker 1>it sound like it was like his call, which at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, I feel like I did mention something

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<v Speaker 1>about like, hey, you know you you are in a

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<v Speaker 1>position to say no to her. I mean, it's your

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<v Speaker 1>fucking wedding. It's not like it's her wedding, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, but it's true, he is in a position,

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<v Speaker 2>but he didn't take it. You know, it's a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you how you should feel. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he assessed the situation. You came in after

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<v Speaker 2>you know you you you your relationship with him formed

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<v Speaker 2>after the relationship with her. It's just it's a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's an understandable, lee fragile situation your homie.

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<v Speaker 2>But listen, your homie probably is not stoked about I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this is like a reflection of your friendship

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<v Speaker 2>with homie. I don't think he stoked about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think he, for whatever reason, has made the decision

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, he's the piece I suppose, or he's

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<v Speaker 2>his sister by not having you there. Now, how you

0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.600
<v Speaker 2>should feel about it, I don't know, but whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you want to now if you were like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't feel valued in this friendship because

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't stand up for me whatever, and you want

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<v Speaker 2>to start spending you know, sending a few less means

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<v Speaker 2>to this guy. That's understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't think that I'm taking it personally

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<v Speaker 1>in any kind of way. I'm just trying to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the where where is the real issue with me actually

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<v Speaker 1>going because outside of her?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, but it doesn't Yeah, but we can

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<v Speaker 2>ponder on this stuff. But like it doesn't really matter

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<v Speaker 2>because he made the decision already, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, it's not something that I want to press either,

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<v Speaker 1>like not at least in a conversation. It's not something

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm gonna bring up again and be like, hey

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it again, like you have any second thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, I think here's the thing is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you decide you're offended and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be homies with this guy anymore, like you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's justified. But also if you're like, Okay, I'm

0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna be homies with this guy, don't like be homies

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.720
<v Speaker 2>with him. But then yeah, also like press him about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also also who knows, right, the wedding hasn't even been planned, right,

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.359
<v Speaker 2>there's not even a date, And you just broke up

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<v Speaker 2>with this lady two fucking months ago, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So like it was a little longer than two months,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so who knows this la By the time that

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.800
<v Speaker 2>this lady, by the time that your brother gets married

0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and whatever, maybe she moves, like things could evolve emotionally

0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.880
<v Speaker 2>to the point where you are you are invited back

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.359
<v Speaker 2>by I don't think you should press about it. I

0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 2>don't think you should be like, you know, you should

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<v Speaker 2>let it consume you necessarily.

0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:15.760
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean it was just a bummer. It's

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.879
<v Speaker 1>not like all consuming. It was more just again me

0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out outside of the obvious my sister's

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.879
<v Speaker 1>going to be there, Like, is there is there like

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, you know, like there's something about me because

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<v Speaker 1>there was one time pretty shortly after the breakup where

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I did I mean, I was drinking and doing a

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of drugs because I mean I had all this

0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 1>ring money just sitting around. So what do you do

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 1>with it. I got like five breakup tattoos, did a

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of coke, drank a lot, and so then like

0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.920
<v Speaker 1>there was this restaurant that I let, like my favorite

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.359
<v Speaker 1>restaurant right by where I used to hang out after

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.640
<v Speaker 1>work at the bar, but I had been there for

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:59.439
<v Speaker 1>like eight hours drinking and non you know, nonsense. And

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<v Speaker 1>then me and he's like, yo, dude, guess where I'm

0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.680
<v Speaker 1>going tonight. I'm like, oh shit, like where he said

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the name of the restaurant, like my favorite restaurant, which

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>was right around the corner, and I was like, ah, dude,

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>like let me tell him, you know, like let's go

0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.880
<v Speaker 1>like order some appetizers, like there was this one duff

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 1>thing that I really loved there, and he was just like, ah,

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know I would, but there's gonna be like other

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<v Speaker 1>characters with me. And then I'm like all right, fine, whatever.

0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And so then I sat at the bar and I

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 1>kept drinking. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.040
<v Speaker 1>go sit at the bar at that restaurant and I'm

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:31.959
<v Speaker 1>gonna eat the duft thing that I wanted because this

0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 1>is my life. And then like later that night he

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.400
<v Speaker 1>texted me he was just like, yo, like she totally

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 1>saw you, and she was like kind of pissed off

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 1>that you were there. But like I didn't I didn't

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.199
<v Speaker 1>talk to them at all, Like I didn't even look

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in their direction. I just enjoyed myself and my food

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:50.679
<v Speaker 1>and my drink. But again, that was definitely not the

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 1>smartest decision. But that was the only time anything like that.

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Every So when he said when he said his sister

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 2>was there, your ex was there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. So it was like their dads

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 1>birthday that they went out for. I was like, oh, oh,

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 1>other characters are going to be there. Fuck you. I'm

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 1>my own person. I'm gonna go eat at the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah listen, which again bad decision, but I was also

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 1>heavily intoxicated, and I I was just kind of like

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.400
<v Speaker 1>in a fuck you mood. I was like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do what I want to do with my life because

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.560
<v Speaker 1>it's my life and I can do that. But again,

0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.480
<v Speaker 1>when when you say those things, the things that you

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:34.479
<v Speaker 1>do with that sentence aren't always very justifiable. Usually use

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<v Speaker 1>that statement when you're doing things that you kind of

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>know in the back of your head you shouldn't be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is kind of hilarious. But you were

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<v Speaker 2>there on their dad's birthday. I thought it was just

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 2>because I thought I thought it was just your friend,

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, like trying to like keep his

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.919
<v Speaker 2>friend groups apart or whatever the fuck he's doing. But

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it was the family birthday and you're

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.879
<v Speaker 2>just there at the bar like in their eyeline.

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, Like she totally just like looking at me

0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, apparently like why is he here? And

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:07.479
<v Speaker 1>I went with my buddy that I was sitting at

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>the bar with. I was like, have you ever been

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 1>to this restaurant? And he was like no.

0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I was like, come on, we're going, We're going to

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>order some food.

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Listen, here's okay, okay. That story has informed me a

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit more on what the dynamic is over here.

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>And uh, listen, brother, my friends, what's your name again?

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Elijah?

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Elijah, Elijah Brother. I think you gotta let this go.

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm working every day towards it. You know,

0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>every day gets a little bit better.

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I think you gotta let it go. I

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>think that your impulse to move across the country is

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily a wrong one, but I think if you're

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 2>moving across the country to build a new life for yourself.

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I think you should invest in the life that you

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>are building in that new country and perhaps lay to

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:01.439
<v Speaker 2>waste the emotional energy that you still have in the

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>life in which you left behind, which includes, uh somewhat

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>emotionally divesting yourself from that family in general.

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 1>To see, I've had that thought too, because I'm not

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna lie despite the fact that he's my boy, like

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, a pretty inner circle friend type situation.

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 1>It's like talking to him sometimes does kind of like

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.360
<v Speaker 1>trigger you know how your brain makes connections. Well, obviously

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 1>this guy's connected to that part of my life. But

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I don't want to let go

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of a very good friendship just because my friend.

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 2>You don't Okay, you don't have to. You can keep

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>sending to memes, but like I mean, let go of

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>uh you know this, like like I'd let go of

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 2>the wedding thing, I'd let go of like any any

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a negative emotional energy you're getting from

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.440
<v Speaker 2>this guy, like he's let it go. Is fucking if

0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.239
<v Speaker 2>if if things are now weird with him and like

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>the family events because of this restaurant situation, and because

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of the breakup. Just let it. Just let it go

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and let him have as much uh.

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Let it go and let him have as much involvement

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 2>in your life as he desires to have, you know,

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>don't I wouldn't go to I wouldn't and I would

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 2>also not get to because you're getting pissed off about

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and it's just like taking you away from

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>your life.

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say that I'm pissed off. I'm just more

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 1>like inquisitive of you know, like the greater Why. But

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, that's just me personally.

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Sound you sound like you sound like you're as inquisitive

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 2>of the greater why as much as you wanted to

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>go to that restaurant that they were going to that night.

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, why you gotta say it like that.

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Because you know I'm right?

0:25:58.160 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 2>So let's look, You've been on the phone with a

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>human gecko man about this for twenty five minutes. So

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 2>clearly it's taking up even even the inquisition, whether or

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>not you believe it to be benign, it's hostile enough

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>to your life that it's taking up precious brain resources

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>that you could be using to you know, go talk

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>to other beautiful women that exist on the planet, and

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, make make food and do all the other

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>things with your life. So let it go as much

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>as you possibly can. That's that's my Uh. Can I final?

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.919
<v Speaker 1>Can I branch off on what you just said just

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit because I've been I've been listening to

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.719
<v Speaker 1>this for a few years now and a lot of

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>there's a reoccurring scene that you put out there which

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to take up, which is, is go go

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that has a you know, a community based around

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>something that you like to do, and the city that

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm in now literally has none of those, And.

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Why then, why the fuck did you go there?

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be a good idea, And I'm

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>slowly finding out that this place because I've visited this

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 1>city prior to me moving here, and it was a

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun visiting. But now that I live here, it's.

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Like, Uh, what city is it?

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>It's Boston, Boston, Okay. There's nothing to do in Boston,

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>nothing that.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I like to do. And I mean I'm the type

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>of person who likes to go out and like try

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 1>something new too, you know what I mean? Like the

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 1>last city I was in. There was like this pottery

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>place where like you go and you spend I don't know,

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>like sixty bucks and you do like a pottery lesson

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and you learn how to use a pottery wheel. And

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I had never done it before. I was like, fucking,

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>I'll go do that. They did like it. There was

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>like a cheese making thing. Now granted that's a little

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 1>bit more like my niche, but like, yeah, you know,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I'll go out and I'll do that. They got top golf.

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't really golf, but like I go do that.

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>But here it's like I have yet to find anything

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that peaks me or anything a lot like in that

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>vein and then like I I go to bars a lot.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's I'll go all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna.

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna all right. You're not gonna like

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 2>what I'm about to say to you, Elijah h. But

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say it. It'll be it'll this. I'm gonna

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>say it. I want to get your thoughts.

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 1>On it as you say it from a kind plate.

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna like what I'm gonna have to say,

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna say it to you. Okay, I think

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the the thing of your girlfriend being like, you know,

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>you gotta get your drive up or whatever hurtful thing.

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Hurtful thing. But I think in some sense, when you're

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>broken up with even if you really don't like the reason,

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>and you can be like, oh she's a bit you

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>know this and the other thing like you, you have

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>to kind of look and be like, well, to what

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>degree are they correct? You know what I mean? And

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>so for you this thing of like uh, getting your

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>drive up. I suppose, h you can live your life

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>however you want to live, but like, if you want

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to indulge in community and you want to have these

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like you know you're talking about, Oh, there's nothing to

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 2>do in Boston, it's like you got to get your

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>entrepreneurial spirit up a little bit, you know, and see like,

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>like how much have you really dug in there or

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>tried to make a thing before you've concluded that in

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the entire city where millions of people live, and I

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 2>think millions of people live in Boston, but where you

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 2>know all these people live, that there's nothing for you

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 2>to do. It's like, you know, I would say to

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you to you know, increase your drive and if there's

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing for which exists, then you know, perhaps you create

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it or you continue your search for it, you know

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again in two months. I'm not saying that it

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist. I'm just saying that I haven't found it yet. Okay,

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>is a little.

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure you said it doesn't exist.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't exist. Well, until I see it, it doesn't exist.

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>But okay, you know. But also, yeah, you're talking about

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the creation aspects, and we're going back to like that

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>whole why why did the relationship end? Because I don't

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>go out and fucking start my own thing. It's like, yeah, you.

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't even have to say you don't even have you

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>don't even have to start your own thing. But you

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 2>got to give a little more of a push before

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>you decide there's nothing that exists in Boston that's that

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you would like.

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's true. Yeah, I'll push it a little

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Elijah. I'm rooting for you, Okay, I don't. I'm rooting

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>for you.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I appreciate it. I got I'm rooting.

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for you. I'm in your corner. I want

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I want you to have a you know what, I

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>want for you. I want you to have a fulfilling

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>social life. I want you to have a fulfilling relationship.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I want you to enjoy your fucking life. And I

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 2>think that stewing over this thing is not additive to

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>those goals. Let's say though, it is. Though, it is tempting.

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Though it is tempting, And I know that because I'm

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I too have been tempted by stewing over things that

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>pissed me off. Yet bring me nowhere.

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Close to It's the one tree that you were told

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>not to eat from. It looks the tastiest. You know,

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>don't eat from this one tree. It's true, we're ending it.

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I do. I do have a comment that I knew

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that I ever got on here. I'd have to say.

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>So recently you did this Thanksgiving thing with your sister.

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I have to know. This is just like a set

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that was awesome by the way, I mean, all of

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>them are awesome, but I like it, and you have

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that you were even talking about just having real people

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. And don't get me wrong, like I

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 1>love all of your celebrity guests, but like just to

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>have like your sister, who's just actually like for lack

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of a better words or just a fucking real person.

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>But during that, during that you were you always ask

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>what people's names are, and she's like, wow, you really

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>do have name blindness. And then I was thinking to

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>myself because I always thought it was a bit. I

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a running bit that you do on purpose.

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>But then after she said that, I was like, maybe

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it's not a bit. But then I got like very

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>uh like in my head, and I was like, but

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>what if he told her beforehand that it's a running

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>bit and she has to play along with it?

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've said, I've said multiple times it's not

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a bit. But also what really pisses me off is

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that people are like, oh, you're so forgetful, and it's

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>like I could talk to someone for an hour, like like,

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>quiz me on anything, Like we've been on the phone

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>for thirty three minutes, quiz me on anything except I

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>do remember your name. Surprisingly, but if you but if

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I forgot your name and you quizzed me on any

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>other aspect of your life, I could probably give you

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 2>the answer because I'm paying attention to what you're actually saying.

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Even if I've forgot.

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Your no, I'm I'm completely the same way. I'm horrible

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>with names, but I'll never forget what you do to me,

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>what you say to me, or how you treat me.

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, So I just I don't know. I

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just thought it was funny how conspiracy. I got in

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>my head after your sister was like, wow, you really

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>do have a name blindness, and I was like, oh,

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it is true.

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 3>But then I got in my head. I was like,

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 3>he probably told her to say that.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>No, that's true, that's your No, that's that's too much.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like people, It's like people who say that the

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like people who say that the callers on this

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 2>show are actors. It's like, I don't that would be.

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>That'd be you know how much more work it would

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 2>be to write a script and hire an actor to

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 2>be on on this show than to just sit here

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and talk to whoever calls in. But Elijah is your name.

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I remember that. I'm rooting for you, Elijah. I hope

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that you.

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you deeply. Thank you for your time. So tour,

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm signed up, but like, can you can you drop it?

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Or you coming to Boston because I'm showing up.

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm planning to come to Boston in September. I

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>know it's a long way away Retember.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, fine, that's totally fine. Well, I hope to talk

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>to you again at some point in the universe. This

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>has been very helpful in more ways than one. I

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>suppose you know. Yeah, dude, fucking real quick, what do

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you got planned for the rest of the day. Anything cool?

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>You're hanging out?

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>What do I have planned for the rest of the day.

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna finish recording this podcast and then I'm gonna

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>probably edit more, probably have more work to do. Man,

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I gotta edit a video. I gotta do other stuff.

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>But uh, I forget that, this is your job. I'm

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna get drunk and place the more Kingdom

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Hearts three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go do that, man, Go go enjoy the toy

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Story three world.

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally in the toy story world. That's so funny.

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, but you have you have a great resume.

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<v Speaker 2>Day geck, thank you, Elijah. You have a good one man,

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 2>all right?

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Peace.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>That was Elijah. I'm rooting for him. I hope he

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 2>finds a good uh life for himself. Whatever weddings are

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 2>stupid anyway, they have they have too much water. I

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know what that means. I just wanted to say

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>something friend, cool, Hello, Hello, what's up man?

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh? My goodness, not much. I am awake today.

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>That's good. That's good. A lot of people aren't. A

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of people are not awake. A lot of people

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>are dead.

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a certain amount of people died died.

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a certain amount of people did die today.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 3>One of them wasn't me. It wasn't you. It wasn't

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 3>you either.

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy? I know, I know. I've like I've

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I've gotten too fucking deep into all this like existential stuff.

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>But once you start thinking about it, you can't you

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>really can't stop.

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 3>It's literally okay. Wait, I think I think we're in

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 3>some kind of loop because I started listening to your

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.800
<v Speaker 3>podcast again recently, like in the past two or three weeks,

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 3>I've gotten more into it. And I think the reason

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I answered this phone call the way I did was

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 3>because I've been listening to you talk to people about

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 3>existential shit, and now here I am being like, oh, hey, yeah,

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm alive today.

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>It's I'm spreading it like a virus or something.

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, yeah, I've developed it.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know what the funny thing is though,

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to write something about this because I'm

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 2>like going, it's like, there's people who go their whole

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>lives they never think about existential stuff, and they get

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>the points more than people who spend all their time

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it. Because if you spend your whole life

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking about life, you know, it's stupid. You should be

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>living life. I was my friends my friend once was.

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to my friend about this kind of

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:51.839
<v Speaker 2>existential stuff and he's like, he's like, it's like if uh,

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 2>it's like buying a dog and being like, oh, this

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 2>dog is going to die one day. And my friend

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's not the point of the dog is

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that it's gonna die one day.

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like, it's it's just stupid. It's it's stupid to

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>think too much about it. I mean, it's not stupid

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>to think too much about it, but it's no, it's

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>stupid to think too much about it. There's an optimal amount.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>There's an optimal amount of thinking about life. There's an

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>optimal amount.

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Do it right. It makes you appreciate the cleanness of

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 3>the dog more. Yeah, and maybe you spend some more

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 3>present days with the dogs because you know it will die.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 2>But that's stupid too, because like, uh, man, can I

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 2>get I'm gonna get dark for a second, please, Like

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I've been hanging out with my I was with my

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 2>parents over Thanksgiving, and uh, when you're really existential and

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>you're with your parents, all you can think about is like, fuck,

0:38:56.000 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna they're gonna be gone. And I'm like, oh, okay,

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 2>let me really soak up the this is depressing, but okay,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, let me really soak up and try to

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>be present in the moments that I feel like are fleeting.

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>And I've realized that whether you were present or not,

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna still fleet you know what I mean. It's

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>like you can be you can be so present, but

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>it's still not gonna do it. It's not going to

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:28.240
<v Speaker 2>do anything.

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 3>I had that kind of similar experience of visit my

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 3>grandma this Thanksgiving, and I had those kind of same

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 3>thoughts sitting there with her. But she's interesting because she

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 3>starts talking about death now ever since she hit like

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 3>eighty yeah, which is just crazy because she's like a

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 3>person who like will tell me that she's still afraid

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 3>of death, and that's just like crazy to hear, and

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 3>like it kind of scares me because I want to

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 3>get to a place where i'm her age and I'm like,

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 3>all right, I'm getting older whatever, yeah, you know, but

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 3>she's like very much like, oh I woke up today,

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 3>my back hurts, Oh my god, I'm gonna die. My

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 3>life sucks, and so I freak herself out.

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, shit, yeah, no, no, you imagine. Yeah, you'd

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 2>like to imagine that by the time you get to eighty,

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>you're ready. But to meet someone who's eighty and she's like, no,

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready to go. That's the most terrifying thing

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I've heard.

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, here's the fuck out of it.

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, well yeah.

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh did you eat breakfast today?

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, ad a protein bar. We'll be fine. It'll

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>blue cares. You know, I've been not I've been dead

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>for most of the time.

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>You're dead.

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been dead most of the time. Like I

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, uh like like, for example, like a history

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 2>is interesting to me because I'll read about like, uh,

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 2>like you kind of think that.

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 3>This.

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm a nar Sometimes I think I'm a

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 2>narcissist because really, unconsciously, unconsciously, I think I have a

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>belief within me that the universe doesn't exist unless if

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm actively there to perceive it, which is a crazy

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 2>thing to believe, even unconsciously, So like this is stupid.

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll be reading about like like the French Revolution on Wikipedia,

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, well, where was I during all this?

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you didn't you were you were? You didn't,

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 2>you were nothing. You had nothing to do with the

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>French Revolution. There's an infinite amount you had nothing to do.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>You had nothing to do with a guy in China

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 2>eating food today. You had not like you know what

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean. There's infinite amount of things that you had

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.240
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with. You didn't matter for them. And

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>but that's fine. You shouldn't want to be that important.

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 1>You could be.

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>You could be so important. You could be like like

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Donald Like I was thinking about like Donald Trump is

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 2>like like everyone's talking about him and all the time

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 2>he's he's theoretically he's the probably important is the wrong word.

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>But he's the most perceived individual on the planet. Probably, right,

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.839
<v Speaker 2>he's the most Yeah, he's at least the top five

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 2>most perceived talked about individual on the planet right now,

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>and by like, by the time I have kids and

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>they're my age, he'll be long dead and they'll nobody's

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about him anymore. Nobody will be talking about him

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>by people.

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 3>So many people measure their success in terms of like

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 3>how how relevant am I? Mm hm. He might very

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 3>well be one of those people.

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. He's the most relevant guy on the planet, and

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be like he was never any and even

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>he the most relevant guy in the way, he's going

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to be like he was never anything. Yeah, but that's

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of Do I think he's happy?

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like is that our goal in life to be happy?

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I think I have to say I think that because

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:34.240
<v Speaker 2>he's the president and he's like doing all this stuff,

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.240
<v Speaker 2>whether or not, Like I think I think he seems

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to be deeply present in his life, you know what

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I like to be. Uh, Like, if you're giving a

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 2>press conference and you're talking to the world and you're

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.279
<v Speaker 2>like commanding the military. I don't know whether or not

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 2>he commands the military, he probably has some how to

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>do that for him.

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And he's like meeting with Zoran Mondam and he's doing

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 2>He's just like every day, Like every day he's doing

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stuff. So I don't know if he's

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 2>so I think so he's probably happy only because he's

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>so deeply present in his life at the age of

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine. And by the way, and also by the way,

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 2>like you can be like really angry and really afraid

0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and really greedy and really wanting, but those are all

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>like present emotions, you know, like if you're like, yeah, like,

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's depressed, you know, like because if

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 2>you're depressed, like if you're sitting alone in a room

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 2>and you're not doing anything and you're like, oh, what

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>should I do with my life? Then you're depressed and

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>you start going into despair. But he's not sitting around

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 2>like what should I do with my life? He's like

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 2>he's at minimum. I don't know if he's like happy.

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if what happy means,

0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 2>but he's at minimum extremely present in his life.

0:44:56.200 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I think I like meditate every morning or I try to,

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>and I spend so many of so much of my

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 3>time thinking like we might who am I doing? And

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 3>you're telling me this guy who probably was not I'm

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 3>assuming he is not meditate. That's assumption I'm making. I

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.600
<v Speaker 3>don't think he wakes up every morning and meditates you

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 3>figuring dead. No, and you're saying that he is far

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 3>far more present than I am or perhaps ever will be.

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, here's the thing. Overthrowing democracy takes a lot

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>of presence, Like it takes like to stage a coup

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and over try to overthrow the US government. It's you

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 2>have to be in your life. You know. You don't

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>have time to get depressed when you're doing that. So

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 2>in a way, I do think that that makes a

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>person happy.

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point. I maybe I should find a hobby.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Like that exactly. Yeah, I mean there's there's better. I

0:45:55.960 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>think there's like for as in engaging as overthrowing the

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 2>American government was is for him. I think you could

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 2>find a similar level of engagement in like playing soccer.

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah, that's a good point. Is it interesting

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 3>that you were born at a time in history that

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 3>your life progressed in such a sense that you are

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 3>now a get go computer person, Like if you were

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 3>born during the French Revolution? I wonder I think a

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 3>lot about what my life would have looked like if

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I was born in a different period of time. So

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:45.919
<v Speaker 3>I feel like being born at this period of time

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 3>has allowed me to grow up in a sense where

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot. But I feel like if I

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:53.280
<v Speaker 3>was born in a different period of time, I would

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 3>and maybe have lived a very present life in the

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 3>sense we're talking about where I was just like, fuck,

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 3>I need I need to get some food and not

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 3>get stabbed.

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, because we have access to more,

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Like the average person has access to so much more information.

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is only in the last like less than

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty years compared to how much along human beings have

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>been around. We have access to infinitely more information than

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 2>like every human being that has ever lived has basically, dude,

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.319
<v Speaker 2>last night, I don't know why, but last night I

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>was getting really into North Korea. Like I was just

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like I was down. I was down like a YouTube

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. I was like reading about Kim Jong un

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>and like, fucking, there's like seven maybe top ten. Yeah,

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't Kim Jong un. Maybe maybe he might be

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 2>in the top ten, but he might I don't. He

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.319
<v Speaker 2>might be in the top ten most perceived people. I

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:08.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know. There's I feel like Sabrina Carpenter is probably

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 2>perceived more than Kim Jong un. Is I mean he's perceived.

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's say there's twenty five million people. There's

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 2>like twenty five million people in North Korea, and they

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>all heavily perceived Kim Jong un every day. But how

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 2>many monthly streams to Sabrina Carpenter get, She probably gets

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 2>more than twenty five million. So she's probably more perceived

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:32.800
<v Speaker 2>at least in this moment than Kim jong'un.

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 3>But she were perceiving him last night.

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was perceiving him last night. I was

0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 2>watching some YouTube video and I was talking about how

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 2>there's seven hundred and fifty I think, I think there's

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:52.320
<v Speaker 2>something like seven hundred and fifty thousand troops stationed along

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the border of North Korea and South Korea. And I

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about those people, because if you're guarding the

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 2>border of North Korea and South Korea, you're and your

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>whole life, you've been like propagandized to you know, believe,

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, like whatever they're making you believe that

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you're doing. That's seven hundred and fifty thousand unique consciousnesses

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>and human bodies that are no different in any way,

0:49:31.280 --> 0:49:38.040
<v Speaker 2>shape or form from mine, and for some reason, I'm

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>like a guy living in America talking on a podcast

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 2>thinking about all this stuff, and I'm like, there's and

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I was just watching it and I was like, why

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 2>am I not guarding the border of North Korea right now?

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.839
<v Speaker 2>No reason, no reason, there's no fathomable reason why I'm

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 2>not guarding the border of It's insane. You can't think

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:04.879
<v Speaker 2>about it too much, or else it'll ruin your life

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>if I think too much about why I'm not. If

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I try to think too much about why I'm not

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 2>guarding the border of North Korea right now, it'll ruin

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>my life.

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, ultimately, it really doesn't matter why, because it's here

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 3>and it's changing it so.

0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm never gonna know. I'm never gonna know why,

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's only gonna distract me from because I don't

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>live in the existential grandiosity of my life. I live

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in like the days, and thinking about why I'm not

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.719
<v Speaker 2>guarding the border of North Korea is not gonna make

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>my days better. It's only gonna make them more freaky.

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting thought to have, but I think the

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 3>key is kind of noting it and being like, all right,

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.919
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get back to the living now.

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It's true, like cool thought, dude, Yeah I remember, yeah,

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, no, go ahead. I remember the day that

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk died. I was like on Mike, I was like, oh,

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I watched the video. Do you watch the video?

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I actually didn't watch the video.

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Horrible video.

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 3>I made a choice not to.

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a horrible video. Yeah, it's a horrible video.

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I watched it and I was like, it's a really

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.960
<v Speaker 2>just it's a really disturbing video. And I watched it

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh wow, I watched it. I

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 2>was like I was like thinking about it, and I

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, this guy was just like he just

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 2>like snap just died, you know what I mean. And

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like, fuck, you can just die. And that like

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 2>really freaked me out thinking about that. Can he just

0:51:55.200 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 2>dies dies? Snap die? Freaked me out. That and if

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 2>just my whole day, like I was fucked up. And

0:52:02.080 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 2>then I remember at one point I like went on

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 2>YouTube and started watching something else and I was like, oh,

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I've moved on from that thought.

0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's in yeah, because I mean, you didn't really

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 3>have any attachments to this particular person, so it kind

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 3>of meant a lot to you for a second, and

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 3>then you're like, Okay, my life continues on.

0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 2>But you know, even if I did have attachment to

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 2>this person, yeah, like life style, life still moves on

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 2>in a weird, well way.

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I kind of I heard this thing in

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 3>like my meditation practice, which is literally just me using

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 3>the headspace app So yeah, whatever. But the thing that

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 3>was said that kind of changed my perception of just

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.360
<v Speaker 3>the world and what I'm aiming for in life was

0:52:55.480 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 3>that what I should be looking for is not happiness,

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 3>because that's just a fleeting feeling, just like sadness. Is

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 3>what I should be looking for is like a feeling

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 3>of just being content and at ease with the fact

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 3>that Okay, I'm here, I'm alive, and life goes on.

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.959
<v Speaker 3>Because like in life, you're going to like your loved

0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 3>ones are going to die, You are going to lose

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.239
<v Speaker 3>someone you care about or something you care about, and

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 3>that's of course going to make you feel sad. It's

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:26.719
<v Speaker 3>supposed to. Just like you're going to experience things in

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:29.919
<v Speaker 3>life that make you feel happy. But the one thing

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 3>you can carry consistently through both the happy and the

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>sad moments is the feeling of contentment, because if both

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 3>you and I are like, Okay, people are going to die.

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be sad that's the cost of playing

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.279
<v Speaker 3>the game. Then that's us saying like okay, Like we

0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 3>might not be like okay or thralled with the fact

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 3>that our loved ones are passing away, but we're ultimately

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 3>accepting of it because we know it's inevitable. So in

0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 3>that way, even when we're like super depressed or sad

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 3>about something or at least content to still be alive

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 3>playing the game and we know that different sueings will come.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, that's when I feel the best. It's

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 2>when I well, actually, I feel like I feel the

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 2>best when I'm deeply in the present because I'm completing

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 2>something that uh, I feel the best. I think when

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 2>i'm deeply in the present because I have achieved something

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 2>that I have been working hard towards. H or I'm like, actually,

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:32.919
<v Speaker 2>that's probably when I feel the best is when I'm

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:34.960
<v Speaker 2>deeply in the present because I've achieved something I've been

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 2>working hard towards. And then also when I feel content

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and when I feel like when I start like, ah

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 2>want like I'll like when I want the life that

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I already have that feels good. Yeah, it's a form

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 2>of contentment. It's not like a manic happiness. Actually, when

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I get like manically when I get like manically happy,

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I'll like I sometimes I'm walking down the street and

0:54:55.719 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, uh, oh fuck, I wanna I'm when is

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm walking down the street and I'm like looking

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:04.879
<v Speaker 2>at my watch like when is this gonna be over?

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:10.680
<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, and then sometimes I'm but also but

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.319
<v Speaker 2>then I have the opposite effect where I'll be sometimes

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll be walking down the street like in New York,

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like looking around all the people and the stuff,

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and I'll be like, wait, I really like life. I'm like,

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I hope I get to do a lot more of this.

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's between that. It's either it's either it's

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 2>either you know, I think we did it. I think

0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready versus oh no, I want to do a

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 2>lot more. So I don't know. That's I think that's

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:40.480
<v Speaker 2>part of being uh but I guess mentally ill or

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not mentally ill, But you know, I meant, you

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 2>know whatever high high as Lo lows all that jazz.

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I I okay. I think I kind of

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.719
<v Speaker 3>relate to what you're saying. I kind of like I

0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 3>was thinking a lot about whether I got to like

0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 3>my talking about my grandma just Thanksgiving. It's like I

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.759
<v Speaker 3>wonder if I accept death, and I don't think I do.

0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 3>But there are some moments where I look around and

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:04.919
<v Speaker 3>I go, man, I'm just I'm happy to have done

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:08.879
<v Speaker 3>what I've done. And those are like really cool because

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I feel really wise in those moments. But then, like

0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:15.400
<v Speaker 3>the more common more of the time, I feel like

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, fuck, I have more I want to do.

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.360
<v Speaker 3>How I haven't done it yet. I'm turning twenty six

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 3>this month.

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah. I mean you ever look at like, oh,

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I do this all the time. I'll look at like

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 2>a sixty year old guy and he's walking around, he's

0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:36.799
<v Speaker 2>eating soup, it's making plans, and I'm like, all right,

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 2>that's like two more of me plus a few years.

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 2>He's not freaking out.

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he's good.

0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 2>What do you want to do that you haven't done?

0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I I think one of my biggest

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:58.759
<v Speaker 3>purposes in life that I am just excited to get

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 3>to is to have of a family, like I really want,

0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I really want to like raise kids and have a

0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:13.239
<v Speaker 3>wife that I stay with. It really excites me. So

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.439
<v Speaker 3>I think that remains the thing that kind of keeps

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 3>me motivated. And in addition, like just little moments of

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 3>just being present really excite me about life. Like I

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 3>produce music, and when I like finish a song I've

0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 3>been working on means a lot to me and I'm

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 3>really happy. And when when I spend time with friends

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 3>and when I go on a hike, you know, like

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 3>those are moments that really bring me joy. So I'm

0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 3>excited to do more of those and have like more

0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:49.040
<v Speaker 3>experiences because I love experiences. But like at some point,

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 3>just like having little experiences doesn't feel like a complete purpose,

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, to me. That's why I feel like my

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 3>my answer is the family thing, because that just feels

0:57:58.080 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 3>like more of a natural Okay, this is what my

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 3>art wants to grow into, you know.

0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, you gotta have a little universe of

0:58:05.120 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 2>your own. That's what That's when I feel that I

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 2>happy is when I'm like in my own universe that

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've created, you know, like little like, yeah,

0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>little experiences are kind of fleeting, but like, yeah, when

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:20.560
<v Speaker 2>you're in kind of your own universe and having a family,

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like the ultimate version of creating your own universe.

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>You're creating like a place where you are. You're you're

0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 2>creating a thing that deeply needs you.

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Definitely. Yeah. I left. I left like my whole life behind,

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 3>and I moved to Portland in August. And I feel

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 3>like I've just been having like little experiences here because

0:58:44.520 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I haven't really you know, gotten into my little niche yet.

0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 3>And like over Thanksgiving, I just made this kind of

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 3>manic decision, like fuck, I'm just getting in my car

0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.400
<v Speaker 3>and driving. And then I ended up driving in the

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 3>direction of home. And that's when I visited my family

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 3>and my grandma and my friends, and I felt like

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I was kind of in my bubble again. That felt

0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 3>really comfortable of people I care about and love and whatnot.

0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 3>And I really needed that. And I came back here

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 3>and like it's it's hard because I know I will find,

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, those comfortable places here, but I just haven't

0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 3>completely gotten figured out yet. So some days I've been

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:29.360
<v Speaker 3>pretty hard being and I don't have my support system,

0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 3>like in person.

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Why why did you move to Portland.

0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I've always wanted to experience living somewhere else that wasn't home.

0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 3>So I've always kind of had this thing in me,

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, I can't stay here forever. I

0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 3>need to go see what it's like somewhere else. As

0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.960
<v Speaker 3>much as I like love the people, my friends and

0:59:57.000 --> 1:00:01.800
<v Speaker 3>family back at home, I felt like, more so for

1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:06.960
<v Speaker 3>my soul, I needed like adventure. So like I did

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:10.480
<v Speaker 3>a trip to Europe too before I moved here. It's

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:16.520
<v Speaker 3>like one hundred days just fucking around, walking around, and

1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 3>that was cool for like the adventure bug. And then

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:24.160
<v Speaker 3>now I'm here just seeing what's up, and it's really

1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.240
<v Speaker 3>fun and exciting some days, and other days it's like

1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:31.840
<v Speaker 3>incredibly depressingly lonely, and I questioned my decisions, but it's

1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 3>it's just kind of accentuating the roller coaster for me,

1:00:34.800 --> 1:00:36.640
<v Speaker 3>is what I've noticed. Mm.

1:00:38.600 --> 1:00:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a big thing for me as well as

1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 2>like you, the balance between desiring adventure and desiring like

1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:57.760
<v Speaker 2>like stability. Although it's funny because when I was when

1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching the North Korea thing or like getting or

1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:03.960
<v Speaker 2>like I'm getting really into like what life is like

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:07.360
<v Speaker 2>in other places, I'm like, oh my god, I have

1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:13.920
<v Speaker 2>such stupid problems. Yeah, when you really think, when I

1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:17.440
<v Speaker 2>really think about it, I'm like, it's fun because like

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<v Speaker 2>like when you're waiting in like the bread line and

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<v Speaker 2>like the Soviet rushier or whatever the fuck, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not like do I want stability or adventure? You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Strong it's it's a strongly uh, it's a super like

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<v Speaker 2>first world problem. But also whatever it's it's totally a privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, well, fuck, I live in the that's

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<v Speaker 2>I have. This is my life and my brain. So whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>all your problems are always like relative to your own existence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and whatever existence, however extra ravagance it may be,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll always have problems. However, however extravagant or shitty your

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<v Speaker 2>existence is, it could always be more extravagant and you,

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<v Speaker 2>or it could always be more shitty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's something that you can go up in

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<v Speaker 3>your head. Yeah, compared your life to the lady. Imagine

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<v Speaker 3>every serpist you ever had, just compared your life to

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<v Speaker 3>the starving lady and Soviet Russia waiting in the breadline,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're just like okay, thank you, let me leave.

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<v Speaker 3>You leave therapy. They don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't do they do that.

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<v Speaker 3>They engage your problems as for what they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They do. And here's what I think. I think when

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<v Speaker 2>I go to my therapist, sometimes like half the time

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<v Speaker 2>I want her to engage with my problems and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to take them seriously. But then half the time

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<v Speaker 2>she should be she should be like, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>could be starving to death in Russia, and that's also good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes you engage. Yeah, sometimes you engage your problems,

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<v Speaker 2>and then other times, you know, you kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to be like I could. My life is amazing, I

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<v Speaker 2>could be starving to death in Russia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You ever heard the saying license too serious to

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<v Speaker 3>be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make any sense to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trying to hold those two things in one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like they're both true. It somehow makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't it be funny if we both just died right now?

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be crazy. Yeah, that'd be crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we both just like I don't know what, Like

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<v Speaker 2>we both just got had like aneurysms. Or we got

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<v Speaker 2>exploded or sniped or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, terrifying. Can't like control that. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 3>just happens time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, what's what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? My name is Cole Cole, Cole Cole.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not live our lives in fear of our own fragility.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not do that. I think it's a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because I do, I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>I've begun to realize that I'm not special in any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form. I'm just as susceptible to disease and

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<v Speaker 2>horrendous things as anyone else. It's a little scary, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna not think about that. I encourage you to

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<v Speaker 2>not think about that either.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the biggest thing I need to work on.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for identifying that for me. That's like

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<v Speaker 3>a real that's like a real therapy moment for you, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's yeah, you did a therapy for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, Thanks, Matt. I feel like we're doing it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a little therapy for each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe yeah you think so? Do you feel therapized in

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<v Speaker 3>some shape or form.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel this conversation to be therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I have I have one more thing for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a job.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a job that I don't think anyone has

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<v Speaker 3>talked about on the podcast. It might interest you. You

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<v Speaker 3>might not give a ship because we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm just talking about my career.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I'm interested. I'm curious if your job, in

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<v Speaker 2>some way, shape or form creates existential dread. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, No, it's so, it's pretty basic. My job is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a bridge inspector.

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<v Speaker 2>Your bridge inspector.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I look at bridges and then I assign them a rating.

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<v Speaker 3>I give them a score on how good of a

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<v Speaker 3>bridge they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever do you encounter a lot of shitty bridges?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes yes, because they're old. Sometimes or they were engineered wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's more likely that they just were old and

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<v Speaker 3>people don't pay attention to them. Mm hmm, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I shut them down. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you what is it that makes a bridge shitty?

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<v Speaker 3>Corrosion? Okay, you know about corrosion, about corrosion, cracks, about cracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard the word spall?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. That's like when you got concrete and like

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<v Speaker 3>a big chunk of it falls out because there's cheeping

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<v Speaker 3>into it.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a British slang term for jizl. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a spoil on your mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh off book off.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the does your job does your job in some way?

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<v Speaker 3>Shop?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your relationship? What's your job's relationship with your existential dread?

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<v Speaker 3>My job's relationship with my existential dread is fuck. Because

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<v Speaker 3>I I got out of school, I did like engineering.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a degree in engineering, and I worked in

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<v Speaker 3>in design because that's what most civil engineers do, is

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<v Speaker 3>they graduate and go into like consulting work where they

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<v Speaker 3>just like design stuff. And I I went to design

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like every day I was in the office

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<v Speaker 3>forty hours a week in my little cubicle, doing mostly

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<v Speaker 3>computer work. And for me that was terrible because I

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<v Speaker 3>was I just like, you know, I have whatever ADHD

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever that I don't want to sit in the

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<v Speaker 3>same place every day. And I only worked there for

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<v Speaker 3>like eight months out of college, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck did I do? Like I spent all

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<v Speaker 3>this time working towards my degree, and like here I am,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna die in these office walls. I was. I

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<v Speaker 3>was not having it. It was crazy, and I found this

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<v Speaker 3>job posting for the bridge inspection saying where I could

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<v Speaker 3>use the degree I earned in civil engineering for this

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<v Speaker 3>job where instead of being in the office all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the office half the time and the

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<v Speaker 3>other half the time I was like traveling around the

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<v Speaker 3>country looking at a bridge. And to me, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, that's exactly what I need to keep

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<v Speaker 3>myself from like bouncing off the walls. And it really

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<v Speaker 3>has been. But there's also trade offs to that because

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes when the travel is a lot, Like I had

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<v Speaker 3>an issue with anxiety and panic attacks like a year

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<v Speaker 3>and a half ago, and it was kind of related

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<v Speaker 3>to my travel at the time, and I had to

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<v Speaker 3>tone it back a little bit, so like that was

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<v Speaker 3>really hard. So I was like, fuck, now now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>traveling too much and I want to chill out more.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, that's a lot of information. But this job

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately is really working for me again now because I've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gotten I understand my anxiety a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>and it took a lot of time to grow and

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<v Speaker 3>go to therapy and stuff like that, and it's working

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<v Speaker 3>for me because half the time I'm in the office

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<v Speaker 3>and then right about the time I start getting jumpy

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<v Speaker 3>and want to bounce off the walls. I go and

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<v Speaker 3>inspect the bridge for a week outside and I breathe

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<v Speaker 3>in air, and I think, ultimately the job is working

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<v Speaker 3>for me in that regard. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do you ever encounter any bridge trolls?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, trolls. I don't. I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever met a troll here in Portland. Sometimes people like

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<v Speaker 3>live live there and mostly they're pretty cool, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just tell them, hey, like, if you don't want one

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<v Speaker 3>to fuck with, you just don't have a fire down here,

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<v Speaker 3>because the bridge owners stood upset when when they have

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<v Speaker 3>a fire.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Trolls, They're just they're just people living under a bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course, if I saw a troll, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be terrifying, that would I wonder if that

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<v Speaker 2>would increase your existential dread or if that would make

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like there is that like there's fantastical things

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<v Speaker 2>out there for you.

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<v Speaker 3>That yeah, kind of mystical. Uh. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>does increase my dread is just this exists to every job,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like the corporate ladder flash people trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get promotions and message each other on LinkedIn and make

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<v Speaker 3>posts about how we're working as a company. We're a

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<v Speaker 3>great company, and networking events and shit like that. Like

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<v Speaker 3>that whole side of work just kills my spirit. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know why. I don't know why I can't just

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<v Speaker 3>genuinely jump in and be like, oh, yes, sorry, I

1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:48.880
<v Speaker 3>work for this company and we're the best at what

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<v Speaker 3>we do, and it's very nice to meet you. But

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<v Speaker 3>it just all feels so fake to me because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just going to make money so I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can go on a hike, you know, Like, Yeah, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, that's not a defect in your existence. That's

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<v Speaker 2>uh uh Honestly, that's a shared sentiment among a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people. So I don't think you're crazy for feeling that. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're crazy for not having strong pride

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<v Speaker 2>in the company and just being there for a paycheck,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you're I don't think that's completely insane.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some people just like to hustle. Maybe that's how

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<v Speaker 3>they get their worth.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you say your name? What did you say

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<v Speaker 2>your name was?

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<v Speaker 3>Again?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Cole Cole.

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<v Speaker 2>This was there. This was a therapeutic conversation. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>I did enjoy this, and I hope that. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that the both of us live very long lives and

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<v Speaker 2>eventually when we're eighty, except hopefully we make it to eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to make it to eighty to be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll have a family, You'll like grandkids and shit, that'll

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<v Speaker 2>be nice. Maybe I'll have a uh, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>spider or something I don't know, and well, uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have like a pet tarantula that I'll give my

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<v Speaker 2>wroth ira two and we'll die, and more things will

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<v Speaker 2>happen after us, and those people will enjoy life and

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<v Speaker 2>eternity will be good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna check the balance of my roth Ira.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for calling cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye, Lyle.

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<v Speaker 2>You can max out your roth Ira every year and

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<v Speaker 2>you're still gonna die. Hello, folks, it's Lyle here. That's

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<v Speaker 1>She like got mad and said.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, hold on, what do you mean it's all over text?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you guys spoke after she sent you the text? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you spoke in person?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>No, we have not spoken in person.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't spoken in person.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we've all made it over text.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you have you? Have you called her?

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<v Speaker 1>The call got denied. We're supposedly we're supposedly meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight in Okay, So you're talking to me more about

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<v Speaker 2>this than you have with her so far.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Gecko dot supercast dot com or find the link in

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<v Speaker 2>the episode description that's therapy gecko dot supercast dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I have nothing else to say. There goes

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<v Speaker 2>on the line taking your phone calls every night.

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<v Speaker 3>Therepy goes to his i's teaching you

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<v Speaker 2>About in the memory of life, but he's not really

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<v Speaker 2>an expert.