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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hi everybody, Welcome to the Renee subs Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by the one and only Caitlin Thompson. She's

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Speaker 2: actually in her apartment and I'm in mind.

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Speaker 1: We are in the middle of the Sunshine Double. I

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Speaker 1: guess we're at.

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Speaker 3: The beginning of the month of March, where all of

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Speaker 3: the tennis happens here in America, and we have a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about. We've got a lot of matches

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Speaker 3: to talk about, We've got a lot of narratives to

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Speaker 1: We have there's so much to discuss. I mean, where

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Speaker 1: should we start today.

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Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna say meta nerd stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I was like, listen, I'm not in that category. You

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Speaker 2: are in that category. I am not in that category. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I say that in the in the

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Speaker 2: nicest way, meaning you are like very educated. I am not.

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Speaker 3: Listen, street smarts, book smarts, we bring it all to

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Speaker 3: you here on the Renee sub Tennis Podcast. But no,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about large narratives in the tennis space in

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Speaker 3: addition to some you know, granular TikTok stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, we have some matches that we

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Speaker 3: But should we start off with kind of like a

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you and I had a conversation earlier

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Speaker 2: this morning about fan disruption. Let's just get into a

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Speaker 2: little bit of that, right I. You know, I've spoken

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Speaker 2: people that listen to our podcasts are fans of tennis,

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Speaker 2: and they are incredible and they cannot get enough tennis content.

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Speaker 2: And it's the people that sort of aren't like our listeners.

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Speaker 2: I would say, I think most people that are disruptors

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who lost a Grand

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Speaker 2: First of all, I'm just wondering, like, this is not

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about players that are coming forward

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I have like it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel like taking betting companies away from

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure that the penalties are harsher

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Speaker 2: Find them, not just block them and ban them.

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Speaker 3: let's go nuclear here, because these players don't deserve it.

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Speaker 1: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: These people are just doing their jobs and getting death

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435
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Speaker 5: everyone and believe it shares a lot of value with us,

436
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Speaker 5: the values of fair play, commitment and performance and excellence,

437
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Speaker 5: which is really important for us as a bank. The

438
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Speaker 5: programs that we build in our local communities are all

439
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Speaker 5: about making tennis more accessible to everyone.

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Speaker 1: We want more people.

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Speaker 5: To be playing the sport and we also want to

442
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Speaker 5: make sure that the sport is fair and equitable as well.

443
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Speaker 5: And so you know here at the BNP prow of

444
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Speaker 5: our openness is our eighteenth year is being the title sponsor.

445
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Speaker 5: It has had equal prize money since two thousand and ten,

446
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Speaker 5: which is incredibly important to us. And yeah, we hope

447
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Speaker 5: to see the sport continue to go from strength to strength.

448
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Speaker 2: Power before we get to the a little bit of

449
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Speaker 2: the downswing disasters, because.

450
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Speaker 1: You know, we'd like to there's been a positive as we.

451
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Speaker 2: Can is Talia Gibson from Australia. Can I just give

452
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Speaker 2: a little shout out too little Towels. She's not little,

453
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Speaker 2: she's like five eleven. What an amazing effort, What a

454
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Speaker 2: great tournament she's had, She's gotten through qualifying, She's beaten

455
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Speaker 2: some amazing players along the way. Towson yesterday she took

456
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Speaker 2: out Paolini. Now she's playing against Noskova, who she played

457
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Speaker 2: at the Australian Open, and who she beat at the Australian Open.

458
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Speaker 2: I believe that she I did that match. I should know.

459
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Speaker 2: But like, incredible tournament from this young Australian that I

460
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Speaker 2: tell you for a long long time we've been talking

461
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Speaker 2: about who is what generation of the Australians after Ashbarti

462
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Speaker 2: can come through. And I can tell you Talia Gibson

463
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Speaker 2: is a player that can really win a lot of

464
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Speaker 2: matches on tour. Why she hits the ball amazingly well

465
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Speaker 2: and her movement has improved so much. And to take

466
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Speaker 2: out someone like you know, Paolini in a three set

467
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Speaker 2: match after losing the second set and coming back and

468
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Speaker 2: like composing herself and winning the third set, to me,

469
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Speaker 2: this is one of the stories of the tournament. And look,

470
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Speaker 2: we've had some we've had some people win this tournament

471
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Speaker 2: or get to the finals, so have breakout tournaments. And

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Speaker 2: I just want to say congrats to Talia Gibson. She's

473
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Speaker 2: through to the quarterfinals in the biggest tournament of her

474
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Speaker 2: career so far. And we'll play in Oscover. So two

475
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Speaker 2: really young, exciting, big massive hitters of the ball and

476
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Speaker 2: they will go up if they win. That'll be the

477
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Speaker 2: semi final against Sabolenka and Embocco. So I'm just from

478
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Speaker 2: an Australian standpoint, I'm super happy to see it because

479
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Speaker 2: we've been waiting for that next play to come along

480
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: and yeah, so some interesting matchups. Can we get to

481
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Speaker 2: that little bit of the disasters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, although I do want to shout out Lily Tagger,

483
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Speaker 3: the Austrian with a one handed backhand axciting to see.

484
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Speaker 3: We actually actually a bit of a fun dispatch going

485
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Speaker 3: on up at racketmag dot com and on our socials.

486
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Speaker 3: We've been sending our trusty reporters and photographers all around.

487
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Speaker 3: We've got some little snippets of all sorts of matches.

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Speaker 3: The one that's in the works today is hilarious. We

489
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Speaker 3: got one coming about redheads. We've done a dispatch about

490
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Speaker 3: dogs and obviously some of the bigger matches.

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Speaker 1: And we were excited to call it Lily Tagger.

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Speaker 3: And her beautiful one hit her back end. So you know,

493
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Speaker 3: again the embarrassment of riches that is tennis styles, personalities,

494
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Speaker 3: wardrobe accessories in the form of pets. You know, it's

495
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Speaker 3: just it really is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 3: Now that we've shouted out all the fun stuff, let's

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Speaker 3: get to the disastrous stuff.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the defending women's champion. In Mirra Andreva's

499
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Speaker 2: little meltdown on the court after losing. Look, the crowd

500
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Speaker 2: were certainly very boisterous in wanting her opponents to win

501
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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, but the way she handled

502
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Speaker 2: walking off the court, she cannot tell the crowd to

503
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Speaker 2: fuck off like it's just it. She did it in

504
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Speaker 2: Australia in a situation then they didn't really know there

505
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Speaker 2: was a lot going on there as well. But this situation,

506
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Speaker 2: she's got to get She's got to figure it out

507
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: because she too good a player. She had a lot

508
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Speaker 2: of pressure on her shoulders. Not winning in the Middle

509
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Speaker 2: East where she won last year, and not winning Indian

510
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: Wells again, her ranking will drop and that was not

511
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Speaker 2: a good look. And I hate to see it because

512
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Speaker 2: speaking of someone you know who did something at Wilson,

513
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Speaker 2: she's a great kid off the court. She's really a sweetheart.

514
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Speaker 2: She's a lot of fun. She's funny, but it's just

515
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Speaker 2: she just loses her mind on the court. It's kind

516
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Speaker 2: of like she's like a I don't know, like a

517
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Speaker 2: Bubleck Medvedev, Like when they lose this shit, it's just like,

518
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Speaker 2: oh my god, bring it back, really back, girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: I think if only because she gave us the reaction

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Speaker 3: chat of that lady literally clutching her pearls, am.

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Speaker 1: I gonna look past this one?

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Speaker 3: I mean I get that there's a you know, folks

523
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Speaker 3: want to point out that there's a double standard, and

524
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Speaker 3: you know, at what point.

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Speaker 1: Is youth excused? I don't know. I mean, maybe it's

526
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Speaker 1: just because we know her. I actually sang a little

527
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Speaker 1: total eclipse of the heart on set with her last week.

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Speaker 1: She's emotional, but she's not destructive.

529
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Speaker 3: And to me her her outbursts are self inflicted, right,

530
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Speaker 3: And I think we typically, certainly when we're talking about

531
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Speaker 3: Bublik or all of my crazy frenchmen that I love,

532
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, there's a difference between the players, certainly Andre Rubelev,

533
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Speaker 3: who kind of put their insanity inward, versus those who

534
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Speaker 3: are bullying or being jerks to the staff umpires or

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Speaker 3: other folks. And to me, that's she's definitely not that.

536
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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, again, it's not great. I

537
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Speaker 3: don't love that that's how this tournament ended for her,

538
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Speaker 3: especially as the defending champion. But again, like there is

539
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Speaker 3: a big difference between the two where you're directing vitual

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Speaker 3: inward and in a self destructive way or outward in

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Speaker 3: a in an explosive way.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this was a little bit of both. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: Loved I think you're trying your best here. But I

545
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: think the bottom line is, you know, as a player,

546
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: especially once so young, you are coming back to Indian Wealth, Okay,

547
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: You're coming back to the same place for probably ten

548
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: to fifteen more years, and you want people to like

549
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: you and that you want support. And as somebody who

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00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: as we do know her, we wish that she would

551
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: understand get people to understand the good side of her.

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Speaker 2: And when you yell to the crowd on the way

553
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Speaker 2: out the door, fuck you, fuck all of you, and

554
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Speaker 2: trust me when I tell you, do you The amount

555
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: of the times I've wanted to say to people in

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Speaker 2: the crowd, fuck you, fuck all of you is many times.

557
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: But it's like, you can't do that. You just have

558
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Speaker 2: to be more of a professional, and at some point

559
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: we have to say you can't keep saying she's young, okay,

560
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: because Oka Goth is younger than all of them, you know,

561
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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways over the last five years,

562
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Speaker 2: and has never done something like that. I mean, she

563
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: did that thing at these straight and open but you know, God, lover,

564
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: she thought she was out of the camera's purview and

565
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: smash the shit out of a racket. But you don't see,

566
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Speaker 2: you just got to You just gotta handle yourself a

567
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Speaker 2: little bit, a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: I do think that this timing coincides with her needing

569
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Speaker 3: to take a hard look in the mirror anyway about

570
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Speaker 3: her tennis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's a problem.

572
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: You know, like she's not she's not looking the kind

573
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: of joyous and free swinging that we've seen her. And

574
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, again, part of this is like transitioning from

575
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Speaker 3: being a touted junior or a touted young player who

576
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: gets early success and getting into the you know, the

577
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: the meat and potatoes of your career. And I think

578
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: now would be a great time to really think about

579
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Speaker 3: what it is she's doing. Maybe you hit the reset button,

580
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: take a minute, and and come back when she's ready.

581
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Speaker 2: A great another player that struggled and has been struggling

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Speaker 2: this year, And I do put it down a little

583
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Speaker 2: bit of his pre season before the Austraine Open and

584
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Speaker 2: his injury with his knee. I believe it was is

585
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Speaker 2: Taylor Fritz. Taylor lost to Michelson yesterday. He came back

586
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: in the second said Michelson served for the match, and

587
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: he came back and he thought, Okay, he's gonna win

588
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: the sat He'll probably win the match, and then he didn't.

589
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: And you know, it's a shame for Taylor in a

590
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: lot of ways because if he had grinded I went

591
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: out in three sets. I think physically it would actually

592
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: help him. Taylor has been over the last few years

593
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Speaker 2: one of the toughest outs. Like he is so fit

594
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: and he just keeps going. He's like a machine. And

595
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: I just feel like without that preseason, without that really

596
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 2: hard training he had before, I think he's struggling to

597
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: get that grinding maturity patient Taylor Fritz back and he's

598
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, getting powdery. I mean, he speaking of breaking

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: a racket. He lost his servant. He just broke his

600
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: racket over his knee. Impressive. I gotta stay impressive. But

601
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: like I just I just wonder how much this has

602
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: to do with his physicality and not being able to

603
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: have just hang in there, because he was arguably one

604
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Speaker 2: of the toughest grinders over the last few years in

605
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: winning like really tough matches, and I just feel like

606
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have that anymore. But credit to Michelson

607
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: who got the job done in the end.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

609
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Speaker 3: I mean, Alex Nicholson is also very easy to root for.

610
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Speaker 3: He's lovely, He kind of has a jocular, hang loose

611
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: kind of energy on court, and you know, I'm really

612
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: excited not only about him, but lerner Tin, like I

613
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: now so much more of an appreciation for this really

614
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: exciting young generation. Jacob Mensick, wha I also saw, who

615
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: obviously won Miami last year kind of I don't want

616
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: to say out of the blue, but you know, certainly

617
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: not on anybody's dance card that he was gonna, you know,

618
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Speaker 3: take home that trophy. So for me, just you know,

619
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Speaker 3: we've talked about on the show a lot the kind

620
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Speaker 3: of lack of depth in the men's field, and if

621
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Speaker 3: you look at you know, the gap between Carlos and Center,

622
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Speaker 3: especially now Carlos and Sinner and then everybody else, it

623
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: still holds very true. But it does sort of seem

624
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Speaker 3: to me that this next gen or maybe the next

625
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: next next gen is.

626
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: Next gen has gone Titzer passes and all those.

627
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: That's already over.

628
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: And then even the generation after the Titsu passes and

629
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: the Medvedevs and the the Zverevs, you know, they're also

630
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: not bringing it to the table. But the young ones,

631
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: the really really you know, just like twenty one to

632
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: twenty two year old guys. That's actually really interesting.

633
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Well, Janick Sinner has to play

634
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: Learner ten now, so after beating Fonseca, you know, he's

635
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: having to play that generation that are going to be

636
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: nipping at his heels for another ten to fifteen years,

637
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: you know. And so Leerna Tien is going to be listen.

638
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: Leerna was down a couple of match points, played a

639
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: great one first match point, he really dug in, hit

640
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: some great shots. He hit a huge serve down on

641
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: the other match point against a little Dividina division.

642
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: What about it? Man?

643
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: I always blank on his name. I'm so sorry, buddy,

644
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 2: but he he I just feel so bad for him

645
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: because he's just got here, must have so many ghosts

646
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: that live in his head after losing tournaments up match

647
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: point and now this match up, match points, and he's

648
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: probably like he just needs to stick his head in

649
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: the sand for like a week. But Lon and Janicks

650
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Speaker 2: are going to play against each other, and it's going

651
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Speaker 2: to be a lot of fun to see because talk

652
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Speaker 2: about some shot making. I'm actually pretty excited about some

653
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Speaker 2: of the men's action. But can I just say Alcarez

654
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Speaker 2: losing a set which he hasn't lost for a little while,

655
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Speaker 2: but to come back and win the third set against

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Speaker 2: Rindy Kinish, he did not lose one point on his

657
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Speaker 2: serve in the third set. Was it Rindy Kinesh that

658
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Speaker 2: he beat? No, No, it was who was it? I'm blanking?

659
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Speaker 2: Let me let me look up this. Let me look

660
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Speaker 2: up the draw as the professional that I am. Alcarez

661
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Speaker 2: render Kanesh. I was correct, Caitlin, I was correct when

662
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Speaker 2: he beat Rinder Kinesh. He lost the first set seven

663
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Speaker 2: to six, and he turns it around and in the

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Speaker 2: third set he did not lose one point on his surf,

665
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Speaker 2: so he wins the third set. Love love every service game,

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Speaker 2: Love to love to love to love. I mean, it's

667
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Speaker 2: just unbelievable. And some of the shots that he's hitting,

668
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Speaker 2: he hit one foehand against Grigor Demetrov. That was all

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Speaker 2: over the internet a couple of days ago. That was

670
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Speaker 2: like insane. It was so insane that Gregor Demetro started

671
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Speaker 2: laughing and gave him a high five, like what the

672
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Speaker 2: fuck you know? And that's what you laugh about about

673
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Speaker 2: Carlos so that even his opponents are like, dude.

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Speaker 1: That's so good.

675
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Speaker 2: But it's he's going to be tough to be on

676
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Speaker 2: this court with that ball jumping up. I'm excited. It's

677
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Speaker 2: getting down to the nuts and bolts with the men's

678
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Speaker 2: Cam Norri's back. He's of course won the tournament here

679
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Speaker 2: a bunch of years ago. He's through in the drawer

680
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: as well. So hey, Cam's finding his which is unusual

681
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Speaker 2: on this cord, Like it's it's I don't know why

682
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Speaker 2: he does well on this court. It doesn't feel like

683
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Speaker 2: it should suit him, but but but it really does.

684
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Speaker 2: And little Rinky hitcha kater, my guy from Australia, Australia,

685
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Speaker 2: is having a great tournament. He gets through against the

686
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Speaker 2: old Bublick yesterday and so I'm super happy for Rinky

687
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Speaker 2: because he's such a hard worker and he just kind

688
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: came through yesterday with some incredible ballsy tennis and God,

689
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Speaker 2: he can move around the court. So I'm super I'm

690
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Speaker 2: super pumped for Rinky Caitlin. Can I just ask you

691
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Speaker 2: one thing about the tickets in Indian Worlds. There's been

692
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Speaker 2: a bunch of people that have complained about these big

693
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Speaker 2: courts on the outside, and as good and as amazing

694
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Speaker 2: as this tournament is, how many times we've seen matches

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Speaker 2: on the outside courts like Garden, you know, the Stadium

696
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Speaker 2: one and two like not the major court and it's

697
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Speaker 2: empty because they're still trying to sell tickets at night

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Speaker 2: on those second and third big courts. What do you

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Speaker 2: think about opening those courts up to grounds passes at night?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the things that has been controversial

702
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Speaker 3: about this year's tournament is Stadium two used to not

703
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Speaker 3: be ticketed. It used to have the ability to be

704
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Speaker 3: serving the grounds pass community, which everybody knows Week one

705
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Speaker 3: and the better move is to get a grounds pass

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Speaker 3: and just look at all the practices going on and

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Speaker 3: watch the matches by queuing up.

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Speaker 1: I think, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Think if you're a die hard like you, you would

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Speaker 2: be that you got a badge. But if you were

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Speaker 2: to buy a ticket. Don't you think those per people

712
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Speaker 2: that have stuck around all day are the first people

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Speaker 2: to go, oh my god, I'm going to go in

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Speaker 2: and watch so and so on stadium too.

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that any match that is the

716
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Speaker 3: quality of Victoria and Boco and Amanda Nissimova that has

717
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Speaker 3: willing tennis fans but empty stands unacceptable, unacceptable. And I

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Speaker 3: think a major failing on this part of this year's

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Speaker 3: tournament has been that decision to change Stadium two from

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Speaker 3: grounds pass to ticket Now.

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Speaker 1: I think generally speaking.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to say something extremely controversial, but I mean, yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't think any tournament should be double dipping and

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Speaker 3: selling night session tickets. I think it's an unmitigated disaster.

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Speaker 3: I think it's created a scheduling problem across tennis. I

726
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Speaker 3: think I get why they do it. It's obviously commerce.

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Speaker 3: But in Man they've never had a problem with this

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Speaker 3: before because people bought the ticket and stayed as long

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Speaker 3: as they could, and you know, tickets at a place

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Speaker 3: like Wimbledon could be resolved to fans who Q of

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Speaker 3: people are leaving.

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Speaker 2: I will say this one thing. The Australian Open and

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Speaker 2: the US Open, where they do do the too write.

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Speaker 2: I think the difference there is most people are working

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Speaker 2: right and to go at night. It is very different

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Speaker 2: right US Open Australian Open, you buy a separate ticket.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it as much at the Slams because

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Speaker 2: I think I feel like you've also got to make

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Speaker 2: a lot of money there, you know, and whatever. But

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Speaker 2: I think these particular tournaments, like in Indian Wells, I

741
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Speaker 2: think those you get an older crowd as well. Go

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Speaker 2: to Indian Wells and you get people that are a

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Speaker 2: lot of retirees or people that go there for a

744
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Speaker 2: week or two and they really do spend the two

745
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Speaker 2: weeks there and they play but a golf or they

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean restaurants there aren't open up after

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Speaker 2: bloody ten o'clock in Indian Wells. If anyone's been, they

748
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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. So it's like it's kind

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Speaker 2: of that's not the tournament, like you said, to have

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Speaker 2: a two slot night and day, because it just doesn't

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Speaker 2: lend itself to the actual people buying tickets. Whereas the

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Speaker 2: US opens a little different. People will buy night tickets

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Speaker 2: because they know they're guaranteed night matches and they don't

754
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Speaker 2: have to you know, have to share them with anyone else,

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Speaker 2: and it's a different situation, whereas this tournament is for me.

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Speaker 2: It's different.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would go so far as to say

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Speaker 3: it's been an experiment that hasn't worked, especially because most

759
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Speaker 3: of these tournaments don't make that much money on ticketed experiences.

760
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Speaker 3: It's mostly brand partnerships and it's mostly broadcast, so just

761
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Speaker 3: make sure that the.

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Speaker 1: Stands are full.

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Speaker 3: So, yes, I agree that there's some additional revenue opportunities

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Speaker 3: the same product, essentially the session available twice, but I

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Speaker 3: actually think we should just scrap it, make tennis really easy,

766
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Speaker 3: and continue to make money by creating more viewership opportunities

767
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Speaker 3: because the crowds are part of the viewing experience. Even

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Speaker 3: at home, if I'm watching tennis, I want to see

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Speaker 3: a crowd that's engaged into it. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: see a crowd that's not existent. And that goes for

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Speaker 3: everything we've talked about in China, we've talked about in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East, we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It at four am matches at the US Open. It's

775
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Speaker 3: a failure if that happens. So we should be trying

776
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Speaker 3: to do everything we can to avoid it.

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Speaker 2: Agreed a grade, agreed across the board. One little thing

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Speaker 2: when we're talking about Rindikanish, our Friendnick Rindikanish, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you saw the doubles match with Novak Jocoviitch

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Speaker 2: the other day, but Novak Djokovic used the hawkeye to

781
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: check his opponent doing some nefarious shit on the baseline,

782
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: like waving his racket around like a like he was

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00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: bringing in a plane into them. And Novak was one

784
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: hundred percent right and sits a pass miss the overhead,

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: which frankly shouldn't miss it overhead, but still it's not

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Speaker 2: the point. At the point is Rindi Kinish is like,

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Speaker 2: you know, swelling his racket around, and Novak's like, WHOA

788
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Speaker 2: had a second? You need to take a look at

789
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Speaker 2: that on the replay, and sure enough he was right.

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Speaker 2: Rinder Kinisch was like, what the fuck, dude, what are

791
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Speaker 2: you doing? Like how old are you? You did that

792
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Speaker 2: shit when you're like ten years of age? Actually I

793
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Speaker 2: never did it, But when you're like ten years of age,

794
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Speaker 2: maybe you do something dumb like that and then your

795
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Speaker 2: parents go, uh, what was that? You? You can't do

796
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: that in tennis, you can't distract your opponent by waving

797
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: your racket around unless some people have talked about Eager

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Speaker 2: doing that at the net. Sometimes she's gotten a little,

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Speaker 2: you know, but I think it's a bit of a

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Speaker 2: tick with This was so obvious. It was just like,

801
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Speaker 2: oh my god, dude. And then he's like kind of

802
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: laughed and off, like it's like, what in your brain

803
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: actually makes you think to do that on tennis, Scott,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. And Novak was like, na, Brah,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it the more drama that goes down in doubles. Also,

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Speaker 3: you didn't mention the titsy pass and Novak we're playing

808
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Speaker 3: doubles together, which I also love.

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Speaker 1: Just the whole thing. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: The Wills is great like that. I mean, that's where

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Speaker 2: you get a lot of time. Now they're playing this doubles,

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Speaker 2: This mixed doubles tournament out there, Venus Williams is playing

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Speaker 2: mixed doubles, are still out there, So I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you buy tickets to this tournament, you are getting a

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Speaker 2: plethora of tennis and a plethora of the greatest players

816
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Speaker 2: on the tennis court giving you a show. So for me,

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Speaker 2: it can't get any better.

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Speaker 4: This episode is brought to you by BMP Parry Bar.

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Speaker 4: When we were at the tournament, we got a chance

820
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Speaker 4: to sit down with their head of Marketing and Communications

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Speaker 4: for the Americas at BNP Parry Bar, Michelle Spratt. If

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Speaker 4: you talked to us about why it matters so much

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Speaker 4: for the bank to be there and why they're support

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Speaker 4: of the tournament means so much.

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Speaker 5: So we started planning this event basically the moment that

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Speaker 5: we get back to New York, and so for eleven

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Speaker 5: and a half months of the year, we're getting ready

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Speaker 5: for this amazing tournament. As one of the largest sponsors

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Speaker 5: of tennis in the world, it's incredibly important to us.

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Speaker 2: It's the biggest event that we have in the.

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Speaker 5: US, and we all look forward to heading out here

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Speaker 5: from New York, not only because we're coming out of

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Speaker 5: a often a really brutal winter, but just because this

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Speaker 5: is a really happy place to be. We're bringing all

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Speaker 5: of our best clients from across the Americas and also

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Speaker 5: across Europe and Asia Pacific, and we get together here

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Speaker 5: for a really unique combination of business of combining that

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00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 5: with networking and watching tennis playing tennis meeting tennis legends.

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Speaker 5: It's a really unique combination for us, and we're excited

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Speaker 5: to be here and yeah, every year we're again counting

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Speaker 5: down to to the being to.

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Speaker 2: Be proud by Open. Something also that was a little

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Speaker 2: bit let's stay controversial all this week, was a little

844
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Speaker 2: bit of a Chris Eubanks a little soiree. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you saw it, what did you think about

846
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Speaker 2: that tail?

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Speaker 1: It was an interesting sort of tetis head. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I as well.

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Speaker 3: As you have been so excited about Chris you Banks

850
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Speaker 3: joining Tennis channel. He's been compensating for ESPN. He was

851
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: part of the French Open coverage last year. That was

852
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Speaker 3: the first under the HBO Warner zaslav Era, which I

853
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Speaker 3: guess now is owned by the Ellisons. So we'll see

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Speaker 3: what this year has to offer us. Chris and Coco

855
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: were talking about SERB speed.

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Speaker 1: There was a little playful ribbing that seemed a little less.

857
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Speaker 3: Than playful when Chris kind of pointed out that Coco

858
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: can sometimes center herself in her stories and he likes

859
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: to instead focus on the athletes. You could plausibly say

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 3: this was a little bit of a joke. But given

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Speaker 3: the reaction to it, and frankly like kind of how

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Speaker 3: much of an edge there was to the tone, Like

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Speaker 3: maybe it wasn't so much of a joke.

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Speaker 1: How did you take that?

865
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when when when I saw it somebody

866
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: sent it to me, I was like, well, that didn't

867
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: come off so well for everybody. To be honest, I

868
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: think both would probably whether it was a joke, whether

869
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 2: it meant to be a joke, it didn't look great

870
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: on TV, and nobody, nobody, nobody wins something like that,

871
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: whether it's somebody's right, somebody's making a point, or somebody's

872
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: ribbing someone or whatever in the end. I mean, I

873
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: just know I've been working in this industry way too

874
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: long now to know that. You you keep whether whether

875
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: it was a joke, it didn't come off that way,

876
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: so you've got to be a little bit more aware

877
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: of like how it's perceived. But also at the same time,

878
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 2: if it wasn't a joke, then you got to be

879
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 2: a little bit more careful about about how you do

880
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: that on air, because unfortunately or fortunately, depending on who

881
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: is in the right or wrong, or who likes it

882
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: or doesn't like it, it's going to live on the Internet,

883
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: and so I think Chris, and I definitely think Chris

884
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: probably wishes that he could have redone that whole segment,

885
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: whether or not people think he was right or wrong

886
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: in his assessment. And I think he's probably quite self

887
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: aware of how it looked in the end. I think

888
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: he probably wishes he could redo it.

889
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I do think there is something to disc.

890
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Whether you agree with him or not. That's not let's

891
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: just get that straight. I'm not saying I agree with

892
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Chris or Coco, or I like Chris, or I like Coco,

893
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: or I dislike one or the other. That is not

894
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: what this is about. In the end, it's how does

895
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: it look to the viewer?

896
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: And I do think there is an interesting side follow

897
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: up because both of these guys are relatively new to

898
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: the major leagues of broadcasting. Coco pre dated Chris just

899
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: by a little bit and without implicating either of them,

900
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: because I, as I think a lot of us, have

901
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: been very excited about the fact that there's some new

902
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: faces in these broadcasting booths. You know, some of the

903
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 3: old timers can tend to center themselves and talk only

904
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: about themselves and when they used to play tennis, and

905
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: you know, and without resorting to being super agist, like

906
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: some of these folks who are commentating haven't played tennis

907
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 3: at a professional level since the past century or maybe

908
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: even the past millennia. So I what I like so

909
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: much about a commentator like Mary Carillo, even though she

910
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 3: too played last professionally in the nineteen seventies, is she's

911
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: up on our research, she's up on her prep, and

912
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: she centers the athlete, and you wouldn't know that you

913
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: played professional tennis except that she just asked so many

914
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: incredible insightful questions and has such amazing insights to prompt.

915
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: The listener with.

916
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: So again, agree with Chris or Coco or whatever sides

917
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: need to be taken. I do think I would love

918
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: to see, especially as new faces get added to the booth,

919
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: like focusing on honing their craft, because it is a craft,

920
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: and if anything, you know you can speak to that

921
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: certainly more than most, which is it's not an easy

922
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: job and it requires a lot of work, almost as

923
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: much as being a pro athlete.

924
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not an easy job, and you constantly are

925
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: always sort of thinking about what you're saying and how

926
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: people are going to perceive it. I mean we've said

927
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: things on this podcast. I've gotten so much shit for

928
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: it from time to time. But you know, live television

929
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: is different. It is live. I mean, we can edit

930
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: this podcast. You can edit out certain things that I've

931
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: said that maybe you think and at times you're like, well,

932
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: I took that bit out because I thought that might

933
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: not go down so well. But live television is very different.

934
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: So you're a little bit more You're a little bit

935
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: more sort of you know, you bring in the margins

936
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: way more in, and you're being a little bit careful

937
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: about how you say things. And you know a lot

938
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: of people have gotten in trouble in the past. I've

939
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: said some things live on air. I've asked questions. One

940
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: there was an incident years ago you and I've talked

941
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 2: about it with Naomisaka that I wish I could redo

942
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: that again. Funny enough, I had a producer in my

943
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: year that said I did a great job. So you

944
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: get this varying thing. But I know that there's many

945
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: things that I would like to redo about live television.

946
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: But that's what makes it really hard. So when people

947
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: sort of throw, you know, shit against the wall against you,

948
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: when you do unsafe stuff on live TV. I'm like,

949
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: you try it. It's not that easy, and to be

950
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: able to articulate something but also not be vanilla like.

951
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: People don't want us to be vanilla. They don't want

952
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: us to say the same thing over and over. And

953
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 2: there are some people that are a little bit boring

954
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: and maybe people like that. Certainly the networks might like

955
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: that more. But also the networks love the guys that

956
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: are a little bit more controversial. Look at stephen A Smith,

957
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: look at you know, some of the people that are

958
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: on that are on air. They're getting the most money

959
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: because they're a little more controversial or saying shit that

960
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: you wouldn't say normally to you know, to you seventy

961
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: eight year old grandma. So I don't know, it's it

962
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: was certainly a moment that it's going to live on

963
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: for a little while. When it comes to those two.

964
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: Well I I as ever, I am excited to hear

965
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: more commentary, to continue to get more new voices, and

966
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: to see most importantly who and how the last couple

967
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: of days will be for ups and downs here in

968
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: the final stretch of Indian Welles.

969
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: I know you'll be watching.

970
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: We'll have to check in as the tournament winds down

971
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: and then Miami gets off the ground.

972
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: Any parting words from you.

973
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: No, I think it's exciting time in tennis. The downs,

974
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: the couple of them, like the bidozes, the undresscues, the

975
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: veck itches, the budozes, and Navarro's all went to Austin

976
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: and played in a small tournament there. So you know,

977
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: kudos to you people in Austin. They're getting some of

978
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: the best women tennis players. Over the last couple of years,

979
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: Emma Navarro has been struggling a lot. Listen, I don't

980
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: want to say it, but she doesn't look fit and

981
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: that's a problem. So she's gonna have to get herself

982
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: back in that tip top shape because a couple of

983
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: years ago, woof, was she in unbelievable shape. And I

984
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: think it's a question that needs to be asked of her,

985
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: like how much do you want this now? Because you know,

986
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: it's been a rough twelve months for her coming back

987
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: and for Bodoza same thing. A lot of injuries are

988
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: going again against her. So anyway, I'm just excited. We've

989
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: got so many great names in New Wahles is starting

990
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: to really come together with some amazing wins and losses

991
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: and great names in the draw, and Miami is around

992
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: the corner, and I know it's one of your favorite tournaments, Caitlin,

993
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: So we're just excited to bring it all to you

994
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 2: and and everybody. I guess the bottom line is, thanks

995
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: for joining us once again today. We really do appreciate it.

996
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: And for anybody the rules blacked and reported, blocked and

997
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: reported