1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spafford, joined as always by my partner 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: our studios at Lambefield and Wes, we have double duty 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: to take care of on this show today because we 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: have to talk Packers Saints. We also have to talk 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Packers Lions. Review one game, preview another. We'll start with 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: reviewing Sunday's game at Lambefield And I don't know where 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: you want to start with this, but I'm going to 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: start right here because last week we spent a good 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: portion of our Tuesday show talking about how one bad 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: quarter of football can wipe out three pretty good quarters 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: of football. Well, now, one awfully good quarter of football 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: wiped out three very very struggling quarters of football for 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers, and they came out of these 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: two games games at one on one because they pulled 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: off a seventeen point fourth quarter comeback against the Saints. 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: Can I can I break down the third wall a 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: little bit here? Well, just give you a little bit 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 3: of a background here. So I got tickets for two 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: separate collections of people. My good friend Matteo Rubinato and 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: his family were at the game. Also, one of our 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: former interns of Donna Olson, brought her dad to the game. 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: Both of them. At halftime, my texted, go on, I'm 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: really sorry because like they both are super excited and 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: it was a slow start. And then afterwards, after that 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: fourth quarter I sent both the text going, now ENVM 29 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: turned out cool. Yeah, uh, it's funny. Mike. As many 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: years as I've covered this thing, and you obviously have 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: a couple more of these games under your belt than 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: I do, I always feel like I see something new 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: and this game, as much as there were some parallels 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: to what happened in twenty eighteen, the only other time 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: the Packers have come back from a seventeen point deficit 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: in that win over the Bears in the beginning of 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: the hundred six, this one just felt different because this one, 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: it's not like the quarterback was out, it's not that 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: anybody was injured. While other than the people that were 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: injured at the beginning, it was just a matter of 41 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: the Packers just really were not executing early on, and 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: there were too many penalties they were thrown in a 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: bunch of third and long situations. As good as you know, 44 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: Jordan Love has been on third and longs. It's difficult 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: when it's third and nine plus. 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Especially against the defense like that one oh. 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, they're not going to give you any 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: extra you know, leeway. But then you get to that 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: fourth quarter and that last seven minutes specifically, and everything 50 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: turned over. And what I learned from that. There's a 51 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: number of things you and I are going to talk 52 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: about here in terms of the grittiness of the team, 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: guys stepping up and making plays. But if there was 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: ever a situation that shows you what a young quarterback's 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: medal is made out of, it was that with Jordan Love, 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: the kids stepped up routinely and made a bunch of 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: plays that I don't know a lot of NFL quarterbacks 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: could make. 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: One of the big talking points after the game was 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: just how as badly as everything had gone for three 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: quarters that you know, as we've talked about with Jordan Love, 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: he was still he was still poised. He didn't let 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: anything fluster him or rattle him. He was the leader 65 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: of that team, or specifically of the offense in getting 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: things going, because we'll talk in a minute about how 67 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: the defense on balance played a pretty darn good football 68 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: game from start to finish. But when you talk about 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: a comeback like this, and I mentioned this an insider 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: inbox other conversations I've had with people, I've seen a 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: lot of comebacks in my day, both by the Packers, 72 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: by the other team, whatever it may be. I don't 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: know if I've ever seen one that felt like it 74 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: came completely out of the blue, that it just you 75 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: just had felt like there was nothing that you were 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: going to hang your hat on and say, Okay, yeah, 77 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: there's still a chance. There's still a chance, you know, 78 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: even going all the way up to the first play 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter, the Packers are in the red zone. 80 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: They've got fourth and two at the thirteen yard line. 81 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: Seventeen to nothing at the start of the fourth quarter 82 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: is not insurmountable. It's three scores. It's a tough hill 83 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: to climb, but it's not insurmountable. But then on fourth 84 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: and two from the thirteen yard line, they the Packers 85 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: can't connect. Love and Patrick Taylor are just not on 86 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: the same page with when the Saints, in essence, we're 87 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: giving them the first down, the way they were lining 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: up defensively, you don't execute that pass, you turn the 89 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: ball over on downs, and you know, you're just like, 90 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: what do you even have to go on here? And 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: then suddenly, you know, the defense was holding up it's 92 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: and kept getting the ball back to the offense to 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: give them chance after chance after chance. And then suddenly 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: those chances turned into field goal, touchdown, touchdown, a gutsy 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: two point conversion on the middle score after the second 96 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: touchdown or after the first touchdown, the second score, which 97 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: which turned out to be a tremendous play by Jordan Love, 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: just off schedule, improvising finding samai toure when he starts 99 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: to scramble and buy some time, but he's got no 100 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: way to get to the goal line himself, and he 101 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: just whips a pass across across his body, and you know, 102 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: you could feel the energy in the stadium. The defense 103 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: was getting its job done. You know, you know, Jayden 104 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: Reid makes a diving catch for thirty yards just a 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: couple of plays after Jordan Love scrambles twenty four yards 106 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: up the sideline. I mean, it was just it started 107 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: to compound itself, but it it just it felt like 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: it came out of the blue, and and I give credit. 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: You know, there have been some discussions in Matt Lafleur's 110 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: press conferences like is this is a young team? Are 111 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: they just too young to know any better? That you're 112 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: not supposed to be able to do that. You're not 113 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: supposed to just flip a switch and go win a 114 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: game that you kind of had no business winning. But 115 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: they found a way and it certainly puts the team 116 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: in a much better place mentally, psychologically and everything going 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: into a short week with a division rival coming in 118 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: here for Thursday night football. 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: And that's what impressed me the most because a game 120 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: that maybe they didn't have any business winning came a 121 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: week after a game they had no business losing, correct, 122 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: when they had so much momentum going for them in 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter against the Falcons on the road. This 124 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: game a couple things. It also stood out to me. 125 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: You touched on it with Jordan Love inside the red zone. 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: There are so many things about him and we're getting 127 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's we're almost getting long winded. I'm definitely 128 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: getting long winded talking about his poise and his confidence 129 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: and just his composure in those situations. But the kid 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: is the guy's just built for red zone situations and 131 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: situational football. Yeah, that played a two ray although it 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: wasn't technically in the red zone. I mean he's dancing, 133 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: he's scrambling the pocket, he's stepping tall, he's seeing through 134 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 3: the clutter, and he's finding his receiver on an extended 135 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: play that you don't typically see happen on a two 136 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: point conversion. Usually you got to hit your mark right 137 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: away or you're not going to get the points. They made. 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: Play happened, though Matt Lafloory even said he didn't feel 139 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: great about the play call going into that, but Jordan 140 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: Love made the Packers look really smart. 141 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: And when you look at the play on film, just 142 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: another example of how things were not going in the 143 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Packers direction and they weren't really executing well. Jaden Reid 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: comes in motion on that two point conversion and his 145 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: timing on the motion is off. He almost gets hit 146 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: by the shotgun snap because he either he goes too 147 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: far doesn't get their I don't know what exactly his 148 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: assignment was in terms of the motion, but the snap 149 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: on the two point conversion almost hit him in the 150 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: leg and would have completely wrecked that and obviously would 151 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: have changed everything going down the stretch if the Packers 152 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: are down eight as opposed to being down six. I mean, 153 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: there was so much that the Packers had to do 154 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: to overcome to kind of get out of their own way. 155 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: When you talk about the penalties and the pre snap 156 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: stuff and the holding and the special teams was committing 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: penalties and putting them in bad field position and all 158 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff. Somehow they just you know, 159 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur talks about resilience, but it wasn't just resilience. 160 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: There was also a persistence in this game. This team, 161 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: This team showed a persistence, whether you're talking about the 162 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: defense going out there and just continually getting stops to 163 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: get the ball back to the offense, or whether you're 164 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: talking about Jordan Love trying to hit Romeo Dobbs against 165 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: Isaac Yadam the one on one coverage on the outside 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: because Marshaun Lattimore's on the other side. You don't really 167 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: want to mess with the all pro over there. He 168 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: kept after it and then sure enough they finally connected 169 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: for what turned up out to be the game winning touchdown. 170 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then what has to happen after that, it's 171 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: Andres Carlson making that extra point. I mean, it was 172 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: even something that got brought up with Rich Pasaccia though 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: those are big key moments for a young team, a 174 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: young holder, first year player, and Daniel Wheelan and you know, 175 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: early on Wheeland has the punt return for a touchdown. 176 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: They make the adjustments there and then honestly, what sort 177 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: of picked the Packers up during that final stretch, to 178 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 3: my eye, it was that play that they ran on 179 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: the special team's kickoff coverage where you had Darnell Savage 180 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: knifing inside of Keishawn Nixon making an open field tackle 181 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: and making Rashid Shaheed, who actually had that punt return 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: for touchdown, right dropping him at the seventeen and making 183 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: the Saints take over the ball at that spot. There 184 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: were some unfortunate things. Derek Carr goes down with the 185 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: ac joint sprain on one of the sacks that Rashawn 186 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: Gary had, but then Gary down the stretch made some 187 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: big plays, four quarterback hits, three sacks. I don't even 188 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: know how many pressures he got accredited for with like 189 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus, but the guy was constantly around the 190 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: football it was my story after the game. You touched 191 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: on it as well, the complimentary football aspect of this. 192 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: It's everything that was missing in Atlanta. It was President 193 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: Lambellfield on Sunday. 194 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just goes to show how, you know, 195 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: as we talked about last week, how important crunch time 196 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: is in this business. You know, these games unless unless 197 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: it's you know, the Miami Dolphins against the Denver Broncos, 198 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: these games are. 199 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: These games are not. 200 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: They're very rarely out of reach, you know, with when 201 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: they're fifteen minutes to play, when there's still a whole 202 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: quarter to go, and seventeen to nothing looked terrible, and 203 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: the Packers offensively were playing terribly. But if you can 204 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: get your act together in crunch time, and especially when 205 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: you're playing at home, just like the Falcons last week 206 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: were at home, they get the crowd behind them, you know. 207 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur said after the game, Momentum is Momentum is 208 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 2: a weird thing. 209 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: There are all. 210 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: Sorts of philosophical debates about whether it's real or not 211 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: or or whatever. But man, you've you felt it, and 212 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: you felt it in the stadium that the Lambeau crowd, 213 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: they were there for Jordan Love's first home start. And 214 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: once they had something to cheer about, man, they brought 215 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: it and and yeah, the Saints lost Derek Carr on 216 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: one of those one of those sacks by Rashaun Gary. 217 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: Jamis Winston steps in, He's still got Chris o'lave and 218 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: Michael Thomas and these guys to throw the ball to it, 219 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: and the Packers defense just kept kept getting the job done. 220 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: You know, I pointed out in my in by what 221 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: you might have misfeature that's on the website, there were two, 222 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: you know, really two defensive sequences that not a lot 223 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: of people are talking about because they weren't in the 224 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: fourth quarter. But you look at the end of the 225 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: first half, when Derek Carr is still in the game, 226 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: They've got first and goal in the seven yard line 227 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: with a chance to go up twenty one to zero, 228 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: and the Packers defense held made him kick the field goal. 229 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: It was only seventeen to nothing at the half as 230 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: opposed to twenty one. And then on one of Winston's 231 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: early possessions, he actually gets a first down or two 232 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: and they have a first down at the I believe 233 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: it's the thirty seven yard line. For green Bay. No, 234 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, forty one yard line of green Bay. So 235 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 2: they moved the chains one more time. That field goal 236 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: is under fifty yards and they're looking at potentially adding 237 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: three points even with Winston not doing a whole lot. 238 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: But the defense rose up and got a three and 239 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: out there, made them punt. The Saints didn't get to 240 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: didn't get any more points on the board. And then, 241 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: of course, you know Packers catch a break when when 242 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: the Saints rookie kicker misses from forty six yards. 243 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: But that goes back to. 244 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: Your point about Andras Carlson with the pat right, he's 245 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: a rookie kicker as well, there's a lot of pressure there. No, 246 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: thirty three yards for a pat is not forty six 247 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: yards from the hash for a field goal. But still 248 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: one guy, one rookie made a clutch kick in this 249 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: game and the other one didn't, and it was huge 250 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: in the Packers coming out on the winning side. 251 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: And honors made too, because I mean that thirty eight 252 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: yard er. The Packers don't win this game if you 253 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 3: don't make that field. 254 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: Goal, Yeah, absolutely, because that was to get him on 255 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: the board. 256 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: If they don't get any points on that drive after 257 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: they've already been stopped on the fourth and two and 258 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: turned it over. That would have been almost since or moderable. 259 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: Just from a momentum standpoint or rhythm standpoint, I think 260 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: it would have been hard to kick it into that 261 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: extra gear. But this is what had to happen. It 262 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: was the response the Packers needed to make. You didn't 263 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: have jyr Alexander, who was questionable with the back injurer. 264 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 3: You didn't have Christian Wattson, David Baktiari or Aaron Jones. Again, 265 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: they needed young guys to rise that occasion. Whether or 266 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 3: not they know enough to know not what they know 267 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: in these matchups, it's irrelevant. It's about what do you 268 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: do when you go out there. I thought that team 269 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: followed the energy of Jordan Love, the twenty five yard 270 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: scramble that he had to kickstart one of the series, 271 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: the thirty yard pass to Jaden Reid. We saw a 272 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: number of different DPI calls. Again, for as much as 273 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: people have been talking about oh, he throws downfield so often, 274 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: the Packers are generating yards, They're generating points off those opportunities. 275 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: It's exciting. Packers are playing an exciting brand of football 276 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: right now. 277 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you talk about again about the persistence that 278 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: it took in this comeback, Matt Lafleur continued to try 279 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: to push the ball down the field. This was not 280 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: some kind of dink and dunk. Take what the defenses 281 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: giving you comeback, and you know, on the one drive, 282 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: two explosive attempts down the field turn into two defensive 283 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: pass interference penalties covering sixty seven yards and suddenly you're 284 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: in scoring position to make it a one score game. 285 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: Jaden Reid he got his hands on some passes that 286 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: he'd like to have back that he feels he should 287 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: have caught. Everybody feels he should have caught those, but 288 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: Jordan Reid kept going to him. Not that he had 289 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: a whole lot of choice with Aaron Jones and Christian 290 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: Watson not in the game, but Jayden Reid just kept 291 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: plugging away. He was persistent, He stayed with it, and 292 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: he makes the big thirty yard diving catch down the 293 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: field that you know, whatever the next gen stats say 294 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: was thirty percent catch probability or whatever, but he he 295 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: makes the play when he had some other plays earlier 296 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: in the game that maybe were a little bit more routine, 297 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: so to speak, and he he doesn't come up with him. 298 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: But they just these young guys that had that had 299 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: to step up into big roles. They just kept playing 300 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: and they just kept fighting. And Matt lafleur Scher was 301 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: proud of him after the game. 302 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: I appreciate the analytics and the numbers certainly that played 303 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: into the Packers' decision to go for the two point conversion. Yeah, 304 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: successfully make it, but it always gets I always get 305 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: the kick out of these percentages or these probabilities, because 306 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: there was also like a nine ninety seven point four 307 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: percent probability that the Saints were gonna win that game 308 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: with like seven minutes last day, back and change. But 309 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: the Packers didn't give up. They believed, and now they 310 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: have to enjoy it very quickly and then prepare for 311 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: the Detroit Lions. 312 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: Well that's what I want to get to, is how 313 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: quickly the Packers have to turn the page here. 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All right, there's a lot 322 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: of challenges here facing the Packers on a short week west. 323 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: Not only is there obviously the limited preparation time and everything, 324 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: which which is the same for both teams coming off 325 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: of a game on Sunday, but the Packers have they 326 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: have so much about their operation on offense and on 327 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: special teams in particular, that they need to clean up. 328 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: There were all the penalties on offense. There was the 329 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: there were penalties on special teams. There was the punp 330 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: return allowed for a touchdown. You have so little time 331 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: right now to try to straighten that stuff out. I mean, 332 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: you have to review it in some fashion. But at 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: the same time, you've got to move on and prepare, 334 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: specifically for a Detroit Lions team that's coming into lambeau 335 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: Field with the same two and one record. Both the 336 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: Bears and the Vikings are zero to three. So this 337 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: is for first place in the NFC North at this 338 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: early stage of the season. The winner is going to 339 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: walk off that field on Thursday night, you know, sitting 340 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: on top of the division. Big game here that you know, 341 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: both of the Packers and Lions games this year are 342 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: in short weeks on Thursdays, right the one in Detroit 343 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: will beyond Thanksgiving Day. This is the first one, and 344 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: for a Week four game, it feels awfully big. 345 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, for a thursdaynight football game, it feels awfully big. 346 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: I mean, there's been some blowouts here over the past 347 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: couple of years in these games, and certainly this one 348 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: is one that I think a lot of people are 349 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: gonna be tuning into. The Lions had such an interesting 350 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: performance against the Falcons. The more I dived into this, 351 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 3: that is just a strange game that they played. Defensively, 352 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: played excellent. They stopped that running game. Jared Goff through 353 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: thirty three passes and targeted four receivers, just ridiculous, kind 354 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: of like it's a'm and Ross Saint Brown And it 355 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: was Sam Laporta in this game, and that was pretty 356 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: much the passing attack. And then Jamior Gibbs I think 357 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: showed a lot of the flashes that we've seen with him. 358 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: But I'm telling you right now, Michael I am going 359 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: to telegraph what my final thoughts player to watch for 360 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: this is going to be. 361 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, we have to shoot it pretty soon because the 362 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: game is. 363 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 3: But I don't want to do any spoilers, but I'll 364 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: say this, man, this is a Rashawn Gary game. And 365 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 3: what I mean by that is the Lions do have 366 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: a couple injuries on the offensive line. There are some 367 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: guys that are banged up. As good as that group 368 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: has been, and they still were not sure whether or 369 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: not they're going to have David Montgomery was estimated as 370 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: limited on Monday, but that's their third down back and 371 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: I keep on it. But the first thing I watched 372 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 3: in the first two games with the Lions is Gibbs 373 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: is a very talented back and he looks like he 374 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: needs some seasoning in terms of the other aspects of 375 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: the position. Packers have to make that count. You have 376 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: to put on pressure to Jared Goff because, as we've 377 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: seen so many times, including last season, when he gets 378 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: into a rhythm and he protects the football, it's a 379 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 3: pretty efficient offense and it can be difficult to stop. 380 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 381 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this is really interesting the way this falls. 382 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: And we were kind of hinting at this last week 383 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: because it doesn't doesn't happen this way very often. But 384 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: here the Packers and Lions are meeting in week four, 385 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: and they have both played the same team each of 386 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: the last two weeks, right, And you know, it's a 387 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: week to week league in the NFL. Different teams match 388 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: up with opponents in different ways, so you can't you 389 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: can't read too much into it. But there's a lot 390 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: of there's a lot of sort of thumbs up thumbs 391 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: down kind of things when you try to make the comparisons. 392 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: Because the Detroit Lions, for as much as they control 393 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: old that win over the Falcons, they only scored twenty 394 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: points against Atlanta's defense in their own stadium. The Packers 395 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 2: had twenty four points against Atlanta in three quarters before 396 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: things kind of fell apart in the fourth quarter on 397 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: the road there. But then the flip side of it 398 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: is that Atlanta running game that the Packers could not handle. 399 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: The Lions completely shut it down. I believe they ended 400 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: up as a team the Falcons with only forty four 401 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: yards rushing on twenty attempts. So that turned the game 402 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: over to Desmond Ridder, the Falcons quarterback. It was all 403 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: in his hands, and the Lions just made his life 404 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: miserable in the pocket. They were getting after him. Play 405 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: after play after play. They end up with seven sacks 406 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: of Rittter in the game. So when I look at 407 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: this one, and I totally agree with you with regard 408 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: to Rashaan Gary, the flip side of it is true 409 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: for me. If you're the Packers, Aiden Hutchinson is the 410 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: guy you can't let dictate what is going to be 411 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: going on out there. And the Lions have a good defense, 412 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: and they have other good defensive players aside from Aiden Hutchinson, 413 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: But to me, it feels like he's the you know, 414 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: the old Reggie Jackson New York Yankees line. He's the 415 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: straw that stirs the drink on that Lions defense. I 416 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: think we saw it against the Chiefs in the in 417 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: the kickoff opener in Week one, on that Thursday night game. 418 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson is the guy who makes that defense go, 419 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: I think, And if the Packers can whether David Baktier 420 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: is gonna play, we don't know, you know, Zach Tom 421 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: injured his knee, you know, at right tackle. We don't 422 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: really know where the Packers are going to be on 423 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: the offensive line for this game. But man, you've got 424 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: to keep Aiden Hutchinson from taking command of this thing 425 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: because he can wreck a whole lot offense. 426 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: And if you haven't watched the Lions yet this year, 427 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 3: I haven't seen a lot of them. What I would 428 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 3: suggest is in the back of your mind, kind of 429 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 3: keep twenty nineteen Zadarius Smith in your head. I mean, 430 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: they are going to move him around all over the place. 431 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 3: I mean John Runyon, Royce Newman, if he gets the 432 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: call again at left guard, They're going to have to 433 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: be aware of his whereabouts in this one because they 434 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: just they don't plug him in at one spot. It's 435 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: not even about playing them off the edges. They'll play 436 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: him anywhere now at this point, and the guy can 437 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: actually wreck the game from there because it's not just 438 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 3: about the sacks that he gets, it's the way in 439 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: which the defense around him adjust to that. I'll tell 440 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: you this, man, at the end of last year, I 441 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 3: know the Lions statistically we're not very good. I think 442 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: we saw two of the best performances that they had 443 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 3: against Green Bay, both at their place and then here 444 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: in the finale. 445 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree entirely, but that. 446 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: Momentum they had at the end of last season with 447 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn's unit, they continued to build off of it, 448 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: and I think they've been one of the more stingy 449 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: defenses so far this season. You had to read about 450 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: it when I wrote about it in Inbox. But you know, 451 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: Brian Branch is looking like an absolute gem of a 452 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: pick there in the middle of the second round, a 453 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: guy that had a first round grade. But everybody's like, oh, 454 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty three. Do you want to spend a 455 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: first round pick on a safety. He's reminding everybody about 456 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: how impactful that position can be. And again, Michael, that 457 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: is a spot in that secondary that they really have 458 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: struggle gold in recent years. To Phill they had some 459 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: decent pass rushers, they had some good linebackers, but they 460 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: didn't have defensive backs. They're starting to find some defensive backs. 461 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Now, yeah they are. 462 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: It's it's coming together for the Lions defensively, and you wonder, 463 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: I mean, they they certainly certainly made life difficult for 464 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: the Chiefs, and that kickoff opener. They had some some 465 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: ups and downs against Geno Smith. That was kind of 466 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: a high scoring game there in Week two, although the 467 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: Seahawks did have a pick six off of golf in 468 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: that game, so that that added to the point total. 469 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: That when it comes to points against, that counts against 470 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: your defense kind of unfairly in that respect. And yeah, 471 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: I mean holding the holding the Atlanta Falcons, a two 472 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: to zero team that had a lot going for him, 473 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: holding those guys to just six points last week. These 474 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: short weeks, you never you never know what's gonna happen. 475 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: Both teams are up against the same limitations quickly before 476 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: we go. Aside from anything that we've already talked about, 477 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: anything else that jumps out at you as a key 478 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: to victory for Green Bay in. 479 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: This field, position and time of possession, the Lions have 480 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: done a really good job of both of those things. 481 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 3: I personally said for a number of years, I think 482 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: Jack Fox is probably one of the more underrated punters 483 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: in the NFL. A lot of people don't talk about 484 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: this guy, but the guy only puts together solid performance 485 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: after solid performance, a consistent forty two net punter. When 486 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: the Lions are playing their brand of football, they are 487 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: controlling the temple, those things, the tempo of it. Khalif 488 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: Raymond involved in that, and you mentioned it Michael a 489 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: couple weeks back with that pick six. That's the one 490 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: thing that Green Bay I think is going to need 491 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: in this game to succeed. I'm not saying you have 492 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: to go and score a touchdown, but I'm just saying 493 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: you need to find ways to take away the football 494 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 3: and generate points off those takeaways. That's been one area 495 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: outside of the you know, the kuway Walker interception that 496 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: they've kind of struggled with here early on. But if 497 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: you can win the turnover battle, you can win the 498 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: time of possession. I think the Green Bit Packers can 499 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 3: get out of this thing. Three and one. 500 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing that jumps out to me, 501 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: and a lot of it comes off of just with 502 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: what the Packers are struggling with with their ground game 503 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 2: in particular, and then also you look at what the 504 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: Lions did to the Falcons offensively. The Packers have to 505 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: find a way to stay balanced in this game, and 506 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: Green Bay's run game is not where they want it 507 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: to be. Certainly, if Aaron Jones can get back and 508 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: be able to play in this game, that would be 509 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 2: a huge boost in that regard. But as much as 510 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: the ground game is struggling, You're still going to have 511 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: to find a way to be effective in some fashion 512 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: on the ground, because the Falcons found out last week 513 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: what it's like if you become one dimensional against this 514 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: Lion's defense, it's lights out. I mean, Desmond Ritter just 515 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: had no chance back there. He was getting buried every 516 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: other play when he's trying to throw, and the Packers 517 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: can't get into Packers can't get into that kind of game. 518 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 2: You've got to find a way to get something you 519 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: can rely on, something that can be consistent on the 520 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: ground so that Lion's defense has to play You, honest, 521 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 522 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 3: And the other thing I'll close on this. You know, 523 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: you're absolutely right there's a lot of corrections green By 524 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: need to make coming out of that game against the Saints. 525 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: But to me, now, maybe this is just me being 526 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 3: too much of a softy. I guess you could say, 527 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: but it's like, well, a soft, sensitive softy. No. But 528 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: to me, I had almost bring up those last ten 529 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 3: minutes of film and just put that in front of 530 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: the team too and be like, this is what it's 531 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: supposed to look like. 532 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: This, Yeah, this is who this is who we are. 533 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: This is who we are, because you know what's great 534 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: about that sequence, Michael, It's not like the Packers just 535 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: completed every single pass and they everything went right. No, 536 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: Jordan Love had plenty of incompletions during that time as well, 537 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: but they kept getting after it. They kept chopping wood. 538 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: I think was one of the expressions that Preston Smith 539 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: used after the game. And these are the type of 540 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: matchups you want to be able to do. Because I'm 541 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 3: telling you, Michael, the way the schedule's lining up, things 542 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 3: are favorable for Green Bay. They needed to get out 543 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 3: of this first stretch of the season. Okay, you know 544 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: this wasn't advantageous to go two weeks on the road 545 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: and then come back home if you go, if you 546 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: split on the road, and when your first your first 547 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 3: two at home, you go into that Monday night game 548 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 3: against the Raiders feeling pretty good. Yeah. 549 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And obviously everybody's crossing their fingers. We're probably not 550 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: going to know until ninety minutes before kickoff just where 551 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: the Packers are health wise with all of these guys 552 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: who have been who have been missing time. But hey, 553 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: that's life in the NFL, and the Packers are dealing 554 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: with it every day. 555 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: Now, Packers kept eleven offensive linemen at least on the 556 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: initial fifty three minute man roster, and every day we're 557 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: being reminded about how you need those guys in order 558 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: to navigate a season. 559 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: There's a reason for it. 560 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: Right with that, we'll call it a rap on this 561 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of 562 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: our coverage of the team and everything from Thursday night's 563 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: big game against the Lions at lambeau Field. We'll have 564 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 2: it all for you on Packers dot com. For Wes, 565 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in. 566 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: Everybody. We will see you next time.