WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: A Brown Paper Bag and 100K 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome everyone to the Amy and TJ Podcast. Amy roboc 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.360 here along with my partner TJ Holmes, and we are 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.960 giving you your one stop shop for your latest Diddy 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.599 trial updates. We sit here just a couple blocks away 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.520 from the courthouse and testimony is continuing today right now. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.400 Frank Piazza is up on the stand. He's a forensic 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.800 video expert, and he's going to be talking about the 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.760 validity of a lot of what we heard and saw 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.519 yesterday regarding that surveillance video in that hotel where we 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.720 see Ditty attacking his then girlfriend Cassie Ventura. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.519 Frank is probably one of the more boring witnesses. Now, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.720 I don't say avent right. There have been so many 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.839 salacious and wild and unbelievable and jaw dropping headlines that 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.280 come out of testimony. The prosecution has to have several 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.720 of these types of witnesses, forensic guys who walk the 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.840 jury through it's very important. It can seem tedious, but 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.479 it's important for him to point out in that video, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.560 like you said, the validity of it. Brianna Bongolan as 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.880 another one's going to be up on the stand today. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.680 She is a friend of Cassie Ventura Fine and also 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.240 someone who claims that Diddy dangled her over a balcony 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.760 and rolled. It's interesting. She is expected to be up 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.480 today as well, but she's another of several who are 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.240 testifying but clearly don't want to. They had to be compelled, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:27.840 that's right. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:33.520 Brianna actually was first up to take the witness stand, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.679 but it's because she had to take that immunity or 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.679 trying to get the judge. She's waiting for the judge 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.800 to grant an order of immunity, so she can't testify 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.840 until she gets that order. The judge will likely do that. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.280 It just is kind of clerical. We're just waiting for 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.320 him to say it. But she wanted to make sure 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.720 that she had that immunity because not only is she 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.520 expected to testify about being dangled over a. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.080 Seventeen floor I believe balcony. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.600 But she alsos to get above ten. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.480 Yeah, it doesn't really matter, right, but yes, apparently it 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:06.480 was seventeen floors up, which is terrifying. And she's also 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.560 expected to testify about illicit drug use. So that's why 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.240 she needed the immunity, because she would be basically ratting 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.239 on herself yeah, I mean, lack of a better word. Yes, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.800 she'd be ratting on herself about using drugs that are illegal, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.359 so that is expected. But it's interesting I asked you this, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.880 and it's part of the reason why Frank Piazza is 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.240 up on the stand now speaking to the validity of 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.440 that surveillance video. But it was testified so many times 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:37.200 yesterday that did he believe this was the only copy 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.680 that he bought, that one hundred thousand dollars he gave 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.640 was the only copy of that surveillance video, but clearly 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.200 it was not, and was it explained then how the 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.560 rest of the world saw that. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.480 Video even though did he thought he had the only copy. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.320 Well, it hasn't been revealed who was actually behind it. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.920 But there was the argument that the prosecution is made 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.359 that of course the video wasn't doctored, and we can't 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.800 show it to you to prove it wasn't. The point 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.079 is what we all saw was a cell phone recording 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:15.000 of the surveillance video. So it appears that someone played 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.160 it for someone and someone recorded it on a cell phone, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.280 but they didn't get the actual USB copy of it. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.960 Is how the prosecution at least has explained it, so 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.880 there is no you can't go through do a forensic 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.640 analysis of it. We didn't doctor it, obviously, we didn't 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.519 because it came from a cell phone, as their argument. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.800 But that cell phone video and that one hundred thousand 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.040 dollars you just mentioned was the centerpiece of the last 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.080 full day of testimony we have in the books, and 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.480 that's the one we're going to talk about. There were 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.840 two folks in particular that were One was Derek Ferguson, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.360 who was with Diddy for twenty years and he ended 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.240 up being the CFO. But first was Eddie Garcia, this 0:03:54.360 --> 0:04:00.520 guy also under immunity testifying because he was the guy 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.400 that Diddy reached out to allegedly after the incident with 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.600 Cassie Ventura Fine in that hallway, reached out and immediately 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.280 said I need that video and I'll pay for it. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.640 And he paid handsomely for it. He ended up giving 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.360 one hundred thousand dollars, Eddie Garcia said to him, and 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:19.599 he divvied that up fifty thousand for his boss, twenty 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.200 thousand for a coworker, he took thirty thousand for himself. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.479 He testified that Diddy made it very clear to him 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:29.159 don't spend the money all at once right away. He 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.560 didn't want anything to seem untoward. If someone suddenly has 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.080 thirty thousand dollars cash to pay for something large. He 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.280 was like, he was cautioning him not to draw attention. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.240 That was some good fellow's ish right there. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.599 Right after you do a big heist, there's always one 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.520 idiot that goes and buys a car and then gets caught. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.359 That's what he did, That is what did He was 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:48.760 trying to tell him not and. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:49.159 That to do. 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.120 So. Eddie Garcia then testifies that's exactly what he ended 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.920 up doing, going and buying a new car. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.880 So if you go back with his look, did he, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.040 according to at least this testimony, According to the testimony, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.000 as soon as it happened, did he knew it was 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.440 bad and he knew he needed to get his hands 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.880 on that surveillance video. He knew it immediately. So Garcia says, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.400 he gets a call. He testifies he gets a call 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.400 from Sean Holmes saying keps calling him, I know you're 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.320 a good guy, like was really kind of sweetening, just 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.920 talking him up, and said want you to help us 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.280 out and need to get this video Garcia said he 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.400 didn't have the authority. He actually didn't have access to it. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.520 He now has to go get somebody else involved. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.600 His supervisor. That's crazy that you would take that to 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:34.400 your supervisor. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.520 That blows my mind. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.520 You're being bribed to sell off a piece of video 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.760 that is basically criminal evidence, because you know, when you 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.239 see what's on that tape, that is a criminal act. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:51.039 And he then felt comfortable enough to call his boss 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.480 and say, hey, can we do did he write? Give 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.960 him this video? And he's going to pay us? And 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.680 then his boss agreed that that's mind blowing to me. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.359 And then I don't know how there was another person 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.560 involved too, but three people knew about this video and 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:08.520 were paid for it. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.880 See is we stopped probably once an episode that we've 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.919 been doing this every day, and we stop and we 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.920 have this moment. Damn, somebody knew how many folks were complicit. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.880 You are watching a vicious assault and you go, you 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:26.960 know what, I won't tell nobody. If you give me 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.760 fifty grand, I won't tell nobody. You can give me 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.599 thirty grand, I won't tell anybody. You give me twenty grand. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.960 That's tough, man. You saw this woman be victimized. It's 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.080 like walking past somebody being beaten on the street. If 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.200 you see a man beating a woman on the street, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.720 are you just gonna walk by? Are you gonna say, hey, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.839 you give me a hundred dollars, I'll forget about it. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.679 Or whatever it may be. Be tough, you're not gonna 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:46.000 do that. 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:48.680 I wonder how they all slept at night after that. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.520 Look, I don't know what's going on in everybody else's life, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:54.880 and you try to give folks grace, but this is 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.159 another time where robes we talk about there were so 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.760 many people who knew who had an oppertunity. So this 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.480 isn't just they were aware of They played an active 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.320 hand in covering. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:07.320 Up a crime. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:08.320 One hundred percent. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.240 Do you do you recall it? This was twenty sixteen 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.160 or twenty seventeen. I'm trying to remember which year it was, 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:19.600 but bottom line, this didn't come out until last year. Yes, yes, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.640 So this was all buried for at least six seven 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.160 eight years, eight years, eight years. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:29.560 That one. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:30.760 It just it gets me. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:31.800 It's just it's wild. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.000 We keep talking about he was allowed to do these things, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.560 and he just had so much power, He had so 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:41.320 much influence it needed some one person, and there seemed 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.120 to be hundreds, quite frankly robes who had an opportunity 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.160 to say something. This was a collaborative effort to help 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.440 him cover up. The money just makes it ickier. But 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.480 you how could you? Can you imagine watching that video 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.480 and go okay, fine, I won't say nothing. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.640 It makes me feel like everybody has a price. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.040 Yeah, I mean, oh, guy's work in hotel security. How 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.000 much is he making an hour or whatever it may be? 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.680 And this cause of Garcia said. He reached out to 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.520 Diddy later asking for a job. Never heard back from Diddy, 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.560 Fine and Dandy, but this was Garcia said, yeah, see, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.880 gets Diddy on the phone. Diddy, they end up meeting 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.360 face to face and Garcia brings him the USB file, 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.960 one hundred grand in cash in a brown paper bag 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.640 and a money counting machine. This is only stuff I've 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:27.880 seen in movies, Like. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.720 You said, Goodfellas, that's what it sounds like. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.120 And also we mentioned this, but just it's also just 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.160 the threat of personal safety was involved as well. Not 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.200 only were they paid handsomely handsomely, but he also took 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.120 photos of all of their ideas and basically let them 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:45.560 know yes, I know who you are, I know where 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.440 you live. I can come find you if any of 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.679 this gets out. I'm fascinated by the fact that someone 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.600 had that video on their cell phone for all those years, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.800 and technically, when Eddie Garcia told him this is the 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.920 only copy this is, you know, this is the only 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.240 only keep Bob basically what it's a it was a 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.000 USB from the actual surveillance video. I guess that technically 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.440 was true. But someone, I mean, I imagine how or 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.440 why someone took a video of the video and then 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.280 kept it on their cell phone all those years. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:17.680 I would say it should have been one of the 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.040 supervisors or one of the security guards. It's some insurance 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.720 policy you never know where you're going to need that 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.800 again probably and again that's me watching gangster movies maybe thinking, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.800 but they might have done it for safety. Who else 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.320 would have done it? Did somebody finally get so upset? 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.760 Did somebody finally go this is it when they saw 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.120 Cassie was about to sue him and her lawsuit cooms 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.000 and finance someone who knows I don't know where how 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.199 CNN got their hands on it. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.920 And if that security video never came out, would we 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:53.920 be sitting watching observing this trial. Would Cassie have felt 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.959 compelled or at least just backed up enough, you know, 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.720 may to file that lawsuit when that video came out. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:02.679 That was. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.120 Total proof of everything she had endured, or at least 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:08.840 a version of where people would start to believe what 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.600 she had to say. So many people who have said 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.760 things about Ditty didn't have any real proof. Now there's proof. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:21.120 Now there's physical, irrefutable proof. That might have emboldened Cassie 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.480 to go ahead and file her lawsuits. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.960 Oll she filed that sucker ahead of she'd seen in releasing. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.440 So yeah, but the question is does she know it existed? 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.959 Like all of that, the timing was pretty. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.920 Close to your point. Yes, to your point, she one 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.720 hundred percent knew it existed. And according to Eddie Garcia 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.480 in the stand yesterday, he talked to her on the phone. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.960 Did he put cassieven to refine on the phone, and 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.600 she backed up what Ditty was saying, which was, we 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.880 don't want this video to come out, can you please 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.360 help us out? And she had a movie coming out. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.080 So she knew that at least one person had seen 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.640 the video and had had their hands on it. So 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.720 I just wonder how that how much that may have 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.280 played in her decision to. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:00.000 File the lawsuit. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.840 It was out there exactly, and I'm just curious which 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.760 one if there was any conversation beforehand. But interestingly, with 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.880 Cassie having that conversation, Eddie Garcia testified that their real 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.559 concern wasn't about the fact that they were covering something 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:15.480 up or whether or not they were going to get paid. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.960 They were concerned that if Cassie decided to file a 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.720 police report, police would absolutely then come to the hotel 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.960 and ask for surveillance footage, and if they saw that 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.240 the footage was erased, deleted, or destroyed, that might have 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.080 put some legal questions towards them. And so he was 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.440 just concerned, Hey, I need to know that neither one 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.320 of y'all, especially Cassie, is not going to go to 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.240 the police after the fact, and then I'm going to 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.200 get busted for having given you this video. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.160 This is all a mess, And the point of all 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.640 of this is they're trying to the prosecution build a 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.640 case and showing that this man used his business enterprise 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.319 which was a part of fueling a criminal enterprise, and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.840 a criminal enterprise has to have crimes, so he wasn't 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.480 necessarily out there being a drug dealer or something you 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.400 see from some of the other traditional mobsters. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:02.240 In New York. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:09.200 But coersion, dangling somebody off of a building, drugs, violence, 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.080 this is all criminal behavior. So this is a part 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.720 of them trying to stack it up and make a 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.480 case against him. But Eddie Garcia, his testimony was incredible, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.839 yes one hundred to see what he was willing to do. 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.400 And they knew immediately this wasn't a so to all 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.000 of us that whoa where'd the video come from? They 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:29.840 have known for eight years. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.120 That's crazy that this was documented. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.760 And you know what also is interesting given all of that, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:48.240 to then have Derek Ferguson take the stand, did he's 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.360 CFO and say that he never saw anything untoward, He 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:57.120 never saw any improper financial movement. And with all of 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.880 this testimony, we've heard about Diddy ping people off, or 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.000 even Cassie Ventura finds his own mother saying she wired 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.760 him twenty thousand dollars. Now, Ferguson did acknowledge that there 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:14.320 was a twenty thousand dollars payment back to Cassie Ventura's mother, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.199 so that did exist. But was that not questionable? Why 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.400 was he paying? You know, it's hard for me to yes, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.960 I'll hard for me to imagine that the CFO had 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:32.719 no idea of anything illegal or improper happening financially, when 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.600 clearly that had to have happened. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.520 If what people are alleging. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.439 Occurred, money had to be exchange, money had to be 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.920 offered in payment to people. What did he think those 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.440 payments were for? Does the CFO isn't that part of 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.400 their responsibility to ask why this money. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:52.120 Is being do they? 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.080 Or do they just need to keep the numbers and 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.000 keep the sheets balanced. And he tried to explain, Yeah, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.240 some folks use cash payments for this. People use expenses 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.319 on that. He said, it was all over the place, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.240 but he did the record keeping, and he to your point, 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.679 some of these witnesses are able to corroborate what earlier 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.320 witnesses said. We our minds were blown to hear that 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.120 Casue Binturofine's mom sent Diddy twenty thousand essentially trying to 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.240 get her daughter free. And it's like wow, and then 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:21.800 they sent it back to her. And now this guy 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.760 comes on the stand and say, yeah, I got a 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.800 twenty thousand dollars payment and then it went back out. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:27.200 He said he didn't know what it was for. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.720 Wow. I still keep thinking about that. The return of 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.680 that twenty thousand dollars had to be the worst that 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.240 mom money you've ever received in your life, because it'd 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.120 be such a sinking feeling, like rejected. You don't get 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.280 your daughter. I still have her and I'm keeping her. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.760 Here's your money back. That just had to be gutting 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.760 to her. I thought something really interesting occurred when he 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.120 was asked. When Derek Ferguson was asked, do you think 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.800 highly of mister Combs? His response and he took a pause, 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.200 a long pause. I don't know how to respond to that. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:03.840 What do you make of that? 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:05.240 Well, what I made the. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.760 If that was in the middle of testimony, that might 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.320 have been one thing, But that was the last question 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.800 to him, and it was it leaves an impact. It 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.680 leaves an impression on the jury because this guy was Look, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.360 he's a numbers guy. He's a Harvard educated guy who's 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.360 been CFO. He does the numbers. I don't know anything 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.280 about a hotel or freak golf or I'm just in 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:26.080 my office doing my thing. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.520 Do you believe that I do. Really, I actually. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.040 Think that's possible. I think there are plenty people in 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.480 his circle. And look, we run around enough in New 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.560 York and industry, we've been in We've been around folks 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.560 in the music industry. There was some we've talked to 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.880 plenty over the years who had an idea. The other 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.480 folks who talk to now like I had no freaking 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.360 idea this kind of stuff, Like just are blown away 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.400 this guy. It's tough because he was with him for 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:50.000 twenty years. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.200 That's my point. I'm skeptical as hell. You could have 0:15:54.840 --> 0:16:00.440 purposefully removed yourself from situations where you would have to 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.080 acknowledge that you saw things. So in my mind, he 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.000 it's hard for me to believe that he didn't know 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.840 things were happening. But he deliberately removed himself or wasn't 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.040 a part of any conversation or in any sort of 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.920 room where something could be said, or he could have 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.360 learned something that he would have then had to testify to. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.119 But the smart okay, fine. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:27.040 But then he's but that's also still you know something's 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:27.520 going on. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.880 You just don't want to know what's going on. You 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.480 want plausible deniability. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.520 So is plausible deniability. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.600 Called to a stand and put on their oath, you 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.160 can honestly say, I don't know. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:44.720 That might be illegal versus a moral dilemma, because I 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.280 cannot believe that he didn't think that stuff was happening. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.040 He thought what he saw, and there is no way 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:54.120 he didn't. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.920 Hear There's no way he didn't. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.720 That's my point. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.920 Or maybe he was the square in the office and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.600 nobody invited him to a party and he wasn't included. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.240 It's possible, but I think the testimony least this guy gave, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.399 he was measured, he was calm, he was sharp, and 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.600 I thought that was an honest answer, the one you 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.800 just talked about there. But if that's the last impression 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.680 this guy known, did he twenty years been with him, 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.480 given straightforward test that was as emotional probably as I 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.520 saw it, And that's not an emotional statement. But to think, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.160 you know what, I don't know what to think about 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.199 this guy that I was with for twenty years, that 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.960 the jury's going to remember that and the way and 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:36.760 who was at the defense of the prosecution that I 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:37.840 asked last I can't remember it? 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:38.600 Was it a redirect? 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.600 Well? He asked if I don't know if this was 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.840 a redirect, but he was asked, you know, has anyone 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.760 did he ever see anyone commit any crimes? No, he 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.400 said no, And he said, what I observed with Bad 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.760 Boy and Sean Combs was a company that really gave 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.280 a lot of young executives a lot of opportunities. 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.760 He put a positive spin on it. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.000 But we've heard from so many of those young folks, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.920 maybe not even executives, but artists, emerging artists, saying those 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.720 opportunities came at a devastating cost. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.040 But like you said, you said artists an executive. This 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.760 is a young guy who was I think he's from 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.480 He's from New York. He's Harvard educated, but I think 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.960 he worked with his dad at a company or something. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.760 He's just he's a New York guy who made good 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.840 sharp as anything. So to hear him and his testimony 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.040 explain that, yes, I was excited to go to Bad Boy. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.000 A young guy going, young black guy going to bad Boy. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.480 You know exactly, that's cool, that's awesome. And this goes 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.600 to Aubrey Odah's been talking to us about it. Depending 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.240 on who you were and where you fell in his 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.439 life and when you were around him, he could be 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.560 the most wonderful, charming, great guy you've ever been around, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:52.280 Sean Diddy Combs. Maybe that was this guy's experience and 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.840 he didn't see that other thing. 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.360 Yeah, maybe he just was mostly in his life via email. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.719 Quite seriously, I'm saying that, like, maybe he never really 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.720 physically was around him very often to see some of 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.399 these other sides of him and to even get an 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:08.680 inkling about what was happening. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.200 Maybe they just had an email relationship. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.919 You've been around CFOs before. They don't care around bags 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:18.360 of cash and pill bags and whatnot. These guys are 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.719 in the office heads down a lot of the times, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.800 usually not the coolest guy in the room. No offense 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.320 to you guys out there. What I'm saying is, for 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.600 all the artists and people have been up and we're 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.040 talking to who seem to come from a different place 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.360 or a different world, this guy doesn't seem to fit 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.639 into it at all. He's an executive. We have to 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.679 remember this is this was a very successful, thriving company. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.600 Why so, I'm curious with what he testified to, what 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.240 was the what was the benefit to the prosecution to 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.280 have him on What did he corroborate. Well, the twenty 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.320 thousand dollars payment. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.240 Certainly the twenty thousand, just the structure of his Yeah, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.080 he didn't have any buyd blowing to who I saw this, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:55.320 Oh this was or. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.159 This money went there? I mean I was kind of 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.119 expecting maybe some of those transactions to be detailed by 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:02.840 him because he had the account of it. So I 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.240