1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Amy and TJ Podcast. Amy roboc 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: here along with my partner TJ Holmes, and we are 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: giving you your one stop shop for your latest Diddy 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: trial updates. We sit here just a couple blocks away 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: from the courthouse and testimony is continuing today right now. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Frank Piazza is up on the stand. He's a forensic 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: video expert, and he's going to be talking about the 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: validity of a lot of what we heard and saw 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: yesterday regarding that surveillance video in that hotel where we 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: see Ditty attacking his then girlfriend Cassie Ventura. 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: Frank is probably one of the more boring witnesses. Now, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: I don't say avent right. There have been so many 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: salacious and wild and unbelievable and jaw dropping headlines that 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: come out of testimony. The prosecution has to have several 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: of these types of witnesses, forensic guys who walk the 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: jury through it's very important. It can seem tedious, but 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 2: it's important for him to point out in that video, 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: like you said, the validity of it. Brianna Bongolan as 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: another one's going to be up on the stand today. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: She is a friend of Cassie Ventura Fine and also 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: someone who claims that Diddy dangled her over a balcony 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: and rolled. It's interesting. She is expected to be up 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: today as well, but she's another of several who are 24 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: testifying but clearly don't want to. They had to be compelled, 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: that's right. 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: Brianna actually was first up to take the witness stand, 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: but it's because she had to take that immunity or 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: trying to get the judge. She's waiting for the judge 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: to grant an order of immunity, so she can't testify 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: until she gets that order. The judge will likely do that. 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: It just is kind of clerical. We're just waiting for 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: him to say it. But she wanted to make sure 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: that she had that immunity because not only is she 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: expected to testify about being dangled over a. 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: Seventeen floor I believe balcony. 36 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: But she alsos to get above ten. 37 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't really matter, right, but yes, apparently it 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: was seventeen floors up, which is terrifying. And she's also 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: expected to testify about illicit drug use. So that's why 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: she needed the immunity, because she would be basically ratting 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: on herself yeah, I mean, lack of a better word. Yes, 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: she'd be ratting on herself about using drugs that are illegal, 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: so that is expected. But it's interesting I asked you this, 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: and it's part of the reason why Frank Piazza is 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: up on the stand now speaking to the validity of 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: that surveillance video. But it was testified so many times 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: yesterday that did he believe this was the only copy 48 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: that he bought, that one hundred thousand dollars he gave 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: was the only copy of that surveillance video, but clearly 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: it was not, and was it explained then how the 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: rest of the world saw that. 52 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Video even though did he thought he had the only copy. 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: Well, it hasn't been revealed who was actually behind it. 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: But there was the argument that the prosecution is made 55 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: that of course the video wasn't doctored, and we can't 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: show it to you to prove it wasn't. The point 57 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: is what we all saw was a cell phone recording 58 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: of the surveillance video. So it appears that someone played 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: it for someone and someone recorded it on a cell phone, 60 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: but they didn't get the actual USB copy of it. 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: Is how the prosecution at least has explained it, so 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: there is no you can't go through do a forensic 63 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: analysis of it. We didn't doctor it, obviously, we didn't 64 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: because it came from a cell phone, as their argument. 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: But that cell phone video and that one hundred thousand 66 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: dollars you just mentioned was the centerpiece of the last 67 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: full day of testimony we have in the books, and 68 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: that's the one we're going to talk about. There were 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: two folks in particular that were One was Derek Ferguson, 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: who was with Diddy for twenty years and he ended 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: up being the CFO. But first was Eddie Garcia, this 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: guy also under immunity testifying because he was the guy 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: that Diddy reached out to allegedly after the incident with 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura Fine in that hallway, reached out and immediately 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: said I need that video and I'll pay for it. 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: And he paid handsomely for it. He ended up giving 77 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars, Eddie Garcia said to him, and 78 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: he divvied that up fifty thousand for his boss, twenty 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: thousand for a coworker, he took thirty thousand for himself. 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: He testified that Diddy made it very clear to him 81 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: don't spend the money all at once right away. He 82 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: didn't want anything to seem untoward. If someone suddenly has 83 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars cash to pay for something large. He 84 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: was like, he was cautioning him not to draw attention. 85 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: That was some good fellow's ish right there. 86 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: Right after you do a big heist, there's always one 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: idiot that goes and buys a car and then gets caught. 88 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 2: That's what he did, That is what did He was 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: trying to tell him not and. 90 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 4: That to do. 91 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: So. Eddie Garcia then testifies that's exactly what he ended 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: up doing, going and buying a new car. 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: So if you go back with his look, did he, 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: according to at least this testimony, According to the testimony, 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: as soon as it happened, did he knew it was 96 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: bad and he knew he needed to get his hands 97 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: on that surveillance video. He knew it immediately. So Garcia says, 98 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: he gets a call. He testifies he gets a call 99 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: from Sean Holmes saying keps calling him, I know you're 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: a good guy, like was really kind of sweetening, just 101 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: talking him up, and said want you to help us 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: out and need to get this video Garcia said he 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: didn't have the authority. He actually didn't have access to it. 104 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: He now has to go get somebody else involved. 105 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 4: His supervisor. That's crazy that you would take that to 106 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 4: your supervisor. 107 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: That blows my mind. 108 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: You're being bribed to sell off a piece of video 109 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: that is basically criminal evidence, because you know, when you 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: see what's on that tape, that is a criminal act. 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: And he then felt comfortable enough to call his boss 112 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: and say, hey, can we do did he write? Give 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: him this video? And he's going to pay us? And 114 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: then his boss agreed that that's mind blowing to me. 115 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: And then I don't know how there was another person 116 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: involved too, but three people knew about this video and 117 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: were paid for it. 118 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: See is we stopped probably once an episode that we've 119 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: been doing this every day, and we stop and we 120 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: have this moment. Damn, somebody knew how many folks were complicit. 121 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: You are watching a vicious assault and you go, you 122 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: know what, I won't tell nobody. If you give me 123 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: fifty grand, I won't tell nobody. You can give me 124 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: thirty grand, I won't tell anybody. You give me twenty grand. 125 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: That's tough, man. You saw this woman be victimized. It's 126 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: like walking past somebody being beaten on the street. If 127 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: you see a man beating a woman on the street, 128 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: are you just gonna walk by? Are you gonna say, hey, 129 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: you give me a hundred dollars, I'll forget about it. 130 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 4: Or whatever it may be. Be tough, you're not gonna 131 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: do that. 132 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: I wonder how they all slept at night after that. 133 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know what's going on in everybody else's life, 134 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: and you try to give folks grace, but this is 135 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: another time where robes we talk about there were so 136 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: many people who knew who had an oppertunity. So this 137 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: isn't just they were aware of They played an active 138 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: hand in covering. 139 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: Up a crime. 140 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 141 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Do you do you recall it? This was twenty sixteen 142 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: or twenty seventeen. I'm trying to remember which year it was, 143 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: but bottom line, this didn't come out until last year. Yes, yes, 144 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: So this was all buried for at least six seven 145 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: eight years, eight years, eight years. 146 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: That one. 147 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 4: It just it gets me. 148 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: It's just it's wild. 149 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: We keep talking about he was allowed to do these things, 150 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: and he just had so much power, He had so 151 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: much influence it needed some one person, and there seemed 152 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: to be hundreds, quite frankly robes who had an opportunity 153 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: to say something. This was a collaborative effort to help 154 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: him cover up. The money just makes it ickier. But 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: you how could you? Can you imagine watching that video 156 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: and go okay, fine, I won't say nothing. 157 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: It makes me feel like everybody has a price. 158 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, oh, guy's work in hotel security. How 159 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: much is he making an hour or whatever it may be? 160 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: And this cause of Garcia said. He reached out to 161 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: Diddy later asking for a job. Never heard back from Diddy, 162 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Fine and Dandy, but this was Garcia said, yeah, see, 163 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: gets Diddy on the phone. Diddy, they end up meeting 164 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: face to face and Garcia brings him the USB file, 165 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: one hundred grand in cash in a brown paper bag 166 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: and a money counting machine. This is only stuff I've 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: seen in movies, Like. 168 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: You said, Goodfellas, that's what it sounds like. 169 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: And also we mentioned this, but just it's also just 170 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: the threat of personal safety was involved as well. Not 171 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: only were they paid handsomely handsomely, but he also took 172 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: photos of all of their ideas and basically let them 173 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: know yes, I know who you are, I know where 174 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: you live. I can come find you if any of 175 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: this gets out. I'm fascinated by the fact that someone 176 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: had that video on their cell phone for all those years, 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: and technically, when Eddie Garcia told him this is the 178 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: only copy this is, you know, this is the only 179 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: only keep Bob basically what it's a it was a 180 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: USB from the actual surveillance video. I guess that technically 181 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: was true. But someone, I mean, I imagine how or 182 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: why someone took a video of the video and then 183 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: kept it on their cell phone all those years. 184 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: I would say it should have been one of the 185 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: supervisors or one of the security guards. It's some insurance 186 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: policy you never know where you're going to need that 187 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: again probably and again that's me watching gangster movies maybe thinking, 188 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: but they might have done it for safety. Who else 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: would have done it? Did somebody finally get so upset? 190 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: Did somebody finally go this is it when they saw 191 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: Cassie was about to sue him and her lawsuit cooms 192 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: and finance someone who knows I don't know where how 193 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: CNN got their hands on it. 194 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: And if that security video never came out, would we 195 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: be sitting watching observing this trial. Would Cassie have felt 196 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: compelled or at least just backed up enough, you know, 197 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: may to file that lawsuit when that video came out. 198 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: That was. 199 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: Total proof of everything she had endured, or at least 200 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: a version of where people would start to believe what 201 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: she had to say. So many people who have said 202 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: things about Ditty didn't have any real proof. Now there's proof. 203 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Now there's physical, irrefutable proof. That might have emboldened Cassie 204 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: to go ahead and file her lawsuits. 205 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 4: Oll she filed that sucker ahead of she'd seen in releasing. 206 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, but the question is does she know it existed? 207 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: Like all of that, the timing was pretty. 208 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: Close to your point. Yes, to your point, she one 209 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: hundred percent knew it existed. And according to Eddie Garcia 210 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: in the stand yesterday, he talked to her on the phone. 211 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: Did he put cassieven to refine on the phone, and 212 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: she backed up what Ditty was saying, which was, we 213 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: don't want this video to come out, can you please 214 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: help us out? And she had a movie coming out. 215 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: So she knew that at least one person had seen 216 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: the video and had had their hands on it. So 217 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: I just wonder how that how much that may have 218 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: played in her decision to. 219 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: File the lawsuit. 220 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: It was out there exactly, and I'm just curious which 221 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: one if there was any conversation beforehand. But interestingly, with 222 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: Cassie having that conversation, Eddie Garcia testified that their real 223 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: concern wasn't about the fact that they were covering something 224 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: up or whether or not they were going to get paid. 225 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: They were concerned that if Cassie decided to file a 226 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: police report, police would absolutely then come to the hotel 227 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: and ask for surveillance footage, and if they saw that 228 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the footage was erased, deleted, or destroyed, that might have 229 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: put some legal questions towards them. And so he was 230 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: just concerned, Hey, I need to know that neither one 231 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: of y'all, especially Cassie, is not going to go to 232 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: the police after the fact, and then I'm going to 233 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: get busted for having given you this video. 234 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: This is all a mess, And the point of all 235 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: of this is they're trying to the prosecution build a 236 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: case and showing that this man used his business enterprise 237 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 2: which was a part of fueling a criminal enterprise, and 238 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise has to have crimes, so he wasn't 239 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: necessarily out there being a drug dealer or something you 240 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: see from some of the other traditional mobsters. 241 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: In New York. 242 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: But coersion, dangling somebody off of a building, drugs, violence, 243 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: this is all criminal behavior. So this is a part 244 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: of them trying to stack it up and make a 245 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: case against him. But Eddie Garcia, his testimony was incredible, 246 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 2: yes one hundred to see what he was willing to do. 247 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: And they knew immediately this wasn't a so to all 248 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: of us that whoa where'd the video come from? They 249 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: have known for eight years. 250 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: That's crazy that this was documented. 251 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: And you know what also is interesting given all of that, 252 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: to then have Derek Ferguson take the stand, did he's 253 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: CFO and say that he never saw anything untoward, He 254 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: never saw any improper financial movement. And with all of 255 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: this testimony, we've heard about Diddy ping people off, or 256 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: even Cassie Ventura finds his own mother saying she wired 257 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: him twenty thousand dollars. Now, Ferguson did acknowledge that there 258 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: was a twenty thousand dollars payment back to Cassie Ventura's mother, 259 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: so that did exist. But was that not questionable? Why 260 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: was he paying? You know, it's hard for me to yes, 261 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: I'll hard for me to imagine that the CFO had 262 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: no idea of anything illegal or improper happening financially, when 263 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: clearly that had to have happened. 264 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: If what people are alleging. 265 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: Occurred, money had to be exchange, money had to be 266 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: offered in payment to people. What did he think those 267 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: payments were for? Does the CFO isn't that part of 268 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: their responsibility to ask why this money. 269 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: Is being do they? 270 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: Or do they just need to keep the numbers and 271 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: keep the sheets balanced. And he tried to explain, Yeah, 272 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: some folks use cash payments for this. People use expenses 273 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 2: on that. He said, it was all over the place, 274 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: but he did the record keeping, and he to your point, 275 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: some of these witnesses are able to corroborate what earlier 276 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: witnesses said. We our minds were blown to hear that 277 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: Casue Binturofine's mom sent Diddy twenty thousand essentially trying to 278 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: get her daughter free. And it's like wow, and then 279 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: they sent it back to her. And now this guy 280 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: comes on the stand and say, yeah, I got a 281 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars payment and then it went back out. 282 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: He said he didn't know what it was for. 283 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Wow. I still keep thinking about that. The return of 284 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: that twenty thousand dollars had to be the worst that 285 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: mom money you've ever received in your life, because it'd 286 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: be such a sinking feeling, like rejected. You don't get 287 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: your daughter. I still have her and I'm keeping her. 288 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: Here's your money back. That just had to be gutting 289 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to her. I thought something really interesting occurred when he 290 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: was asked. When Derek Ferguson was asked, do you think 291 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: highly of mister Combs? His response and he took a pause, 292 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: a long pause. I don't know how to respond to that. 293 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: What do you make of that? 294 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: Well, what I made the. 295 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: If that was in the middle of testimony, that might 296 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: have been one thing, But that was the last question 297 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: to him, and it was it leaves an impact. It 298 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: leaves an impression on the jury because this guy was Look, 299 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: he's a numbers guy. He's a Harvard educated guy who's 300 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: been CFO. He does the numbers. I don't know anything 301 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: about a hotel or freak golf or I'm just in 302 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: my office doing my thing. 303 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: Do you believe that I do. Really, I actually. 304 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: Think that's possible. I think there are plenty people in 305 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: his circle. And look, we run around enough in New 306 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: York and industry, we've been in We've been around folks 307 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: in the music industry. There was some we've talked to 308 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: plenty over the years who had an idea. The other 309 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: folks who talk to now like I had no freaking 310 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: idea this kind of stuff, Like just are blown away 311 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: this guy. It's tough because he was with him for 312 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: twenty years. 313 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: That's my point. I'm skeptical as hell. You could have 314 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: purposefully removed yourself from situations where you would have to 315 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you saw things. So in my mind, he 316 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to believe that he didn't know 317 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: things were happening. But he deliberately removed himself or wasn't 318 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: a part of any conversation or in any sort of 319 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: room where something could be said, or he could have 320 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: learned something that he would have then had to testify to. 321 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,119 Speaker 4: But the smart okay, fine. 322 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: But then he's but that's also still you know something's 323 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: going on. 324 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: You just don't want to know what's going on. You 325 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: want plausible deniability. 326 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: So is plausible deniability. 327 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: Called to a stand and put on their oath, you 328 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: can honestly say, I don't know. 329 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: That might be illegal versus a moral dilemma, because I 330 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: cannot believe that he didn't think that stuff was happening. 331 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: He thought what he saw, and there is no way 332 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: he didn't. 333 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: Hear There's no way he didn't. 334 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: That's my point. 335 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: Or maybe he was the square in the office and 336 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: nobody invited him to a party and he wasn't included. 337 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: It's possible, but I think the testimony least this guy gave, 338 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: he was measured, he was calm, he was sharp, and 339 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: I thought that was an honest answer, the one you 340 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: just talked about there. But if that's the last impression 341 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 2: this guy known, did he twenty years been with him, 342 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: given straightforward test that was as emotional probably as I 343 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: saw it, And that's not an emotional statement. But to think, 344 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: you know what, I don't know what to think about 345 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: this guy that I was with for twenty years, that 346 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: the jury's going to remember that and the way and 347 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: who was at the defense of the prosecution that I 348 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: asked last I can't remember it? 349 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: Was it a redirect? 350 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Well? He asked if I don't know if this was 351 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: a redirect, but he was asked, you know, has anyone 352 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: did he ever see anyone commit any crimes? No, he 353 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: said no, And he said, what I observed with Bad 354 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: Boy and Sean Combs was a company that really gave 355 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot of young executives a lot of opportunities. 356 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: He put a positive spin on it. 357 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: But we've heard from so many of those young folks, 358 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: maybe not even executives, but artists, emerging artists, saying those 359 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: opportunities came at a devastating cost. 360 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: But like you said, you said artists an executive. This 361 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: is a young guy who was I think he's from 362 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: He's from New York. He's Harvard educated, but I think 363 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: he worked with his dad at a company or something. 364 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: He's just he's a New York guy who made good 365 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: sharp as anything. So to hear him and his testimony 366 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: explain that, yes, I was excited to go to Bad Boy. 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: A young guy going, young black guy going to bad Boy. 368 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: You know exactly, that's cool, that's awesome. And this goes 369 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: to Aubrey Odah's been talking to us about it. Depending 370 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: on who you were and where you fell in his 371 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 2: life and when you were around him, he could be 372 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: the most wonderful, charming, great guy you've ever been around, 373 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: Sean Diddy Combs. Maybe that was this guy's experience and 374 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: he didn't see that other thing. 375 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he just was mostly in his life via email. 376 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: Quite seriously, I'm saying that, like, maybe he never really 377 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: physically was around him very often to see some of 378 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: these other sides of him and to even get an 379 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: inkling about what was happening. 380 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: Maybe they just had an email relationship. 381 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: You've been around CFOs before. They don't care around bags 382 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: of cash and pill bags and whatnot. These guys are 383 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 2: in the office heads down a lot of the times, 384 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: usually not the coolest guy in the room. No offense 385 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: to you guys out there. What I'm saying is, for 386 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: all the artists and people have been up and we're 387 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: talking to who seem to come from a different place 388 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: or a different world, this guy doesn't seem to fit 389 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: into it at all. He's an executive. We have to 390 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 2: remember this is this was a very successful, thriving company. 391 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: Why so, I'm curious with what he testified to, what 392 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: was the what was the benefit to the prosecution to 393 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: have him on What did he corroborate. Well, the twenty 394 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars payment. 395 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: Certainly the twenty thousand, just the structure of his Yeah, 396 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: he didn't have any buyd blowing to who I saw this, 397 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: Oh this was or. 398 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: This money went there? I mean I was kind of 399 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: expecting maybe some of those transactions to be detailed by 400 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: him because he had the account of it. So I 401 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: was actually underwhelmed by what he had to offer in 402 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: terms of bolstering the prosecution's case. 403 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: You got spoiled with headline out the headline after all 404 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 2: the other witnesses. 405 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: You can't believe what the hell you see it. 406 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: Well, today we're going to get perhaps a little bit 407 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: more of that type of testimony because we are expecting, 408 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, Brianna Bongolan to actually take the stand today. 409 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: We're expecting that later today, and then after that we're 410 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: all kind of waiting for this Jane character to testify 411 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: that as a pseudonym, Jane Doe is what the moniker 412 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: is that they're giving her. But there are real concerns 413 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: given what happened with Mia. Mia was also being protected 414 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: because she is allegedly a rape survivor. She claims that 415 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: did he raped her and sexually assaulted her. So she 416 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: was offered that anonymity, and unfortunately, at least one YouTuber 417 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: put her name out there and has now been banned 418 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: from the courtroom. 419 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: But that's a real concern. 420 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Execution has asked when Jane does take the stand, they're 421 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: asking the judge to consider what happened with Mia, and 422 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: they're asking that video feeds actually be cut into some 423 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: of these overflow rooms. They're trying to put in some 424 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: extra layers or protection to make sure that Jane's actual 425 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: identity doesn't also get released, because there are a lot 426 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: of Didty supporters out there and potentially people who are 427 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: looking to out some of these women, at least that's 428 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: what it appeared to be at least with Mia, So 429 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: there are real concerns. 430 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: We don't know what the judge is going to rule 431 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: on that, and the. 432 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: Ditty supporters, some of them are in the courthouse wearing 433 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: free puff attire. The overflow room rolls. I'm curious to 434 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: see what happens with this. We've been reading more and 435 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: more about it, but it's become a little bit of 436 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: a rowdy place, turned into somewhat of a where they 437 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: say a watch party atmosphere where this is the overflow 438 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: area where members of the public can be, where journalists are. 439 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: And yes, there are some supporters of Ditty in there, 440 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: but they say it's gotten a little loud, and it's 441 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: gotten a little rowdy. And the Washington Post reporter we 442 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: need to get her name because we want to give 443 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: her credit. 444 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 4: We've been using a lot of her stuff, she says. 445 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: A couple of folks walked out of the overfrow room, 446 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: like some influencers, excitedly yelling let's go viral, like they 447 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: had something that's disgusting. 448 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: It is, let's go viral. 449 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: You know, when anyone tries to profit off of like 450 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: actual painful, devastating, horrific situations, it just it's sickening. So yes, 451 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: let's go viral free puff. That's deeply concerning to think 452 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: that those are some of the folks who are reporting 453 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: on this trial and what's happening inside the courtroom. It's 454 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: certainly not the decorum that any of us are used 455 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: to in any way, shape or form. 456 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: All right, folks, well, we are keeping our eye on 457 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: everything that's happening in the courthouse. That's only a couple 458 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: of blocks from us here. 459 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: Actually, We will. 460 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Continue to keep you updated and in form folks, but 461 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 2: as always, Swamy Robock I am TJ. 462 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: Holmes. 463 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.