1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily represent those of iHeartMedia, How Stuff Works, 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: or its employees. The Zodiac was now in San Francisco. 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: He had killed a cab driver and took credit for 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: the murder in a new letter inside a piece of 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: bloody cloth from the cab driver's shirt. The Zodiac now 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: had the city's attention, and he gripped the entire Bay 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Area in fear with his deadly game. It was clear 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that anyone could be next. People walked the streets with 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: caution as they went about their everyday lives. But as 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Michael Butterfield says, Pallstein's murder wasn't the most terrifying detail. 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: For the first time, the Zodiac had included a very 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: real threat. 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: School children make nice targets. I think I shall wipe 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: out a school bus some morning, Just shoot at the 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: front tire and then pick off the kiddies that they 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: come bouncing out, signed Zodiac. 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: This was, of course terrifying, because he had already demonstrated 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: that he was capable of extreme acts of violence, and 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: now he was threatening school children. The fact that he 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: had moved to a major metropolitan city and murdered a 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: cab driver for no apparent reason, which was completely outside 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: of his previous victim preference, indicated that this man was 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: very unpredictable, and when he started threatening school children, there 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: was no reason to believe that he was bluffing. 27 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: In San Francisco, we have been since the first day, 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: since the reception of this note, we have a number 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: of playing clothes officers following buses in the morning and 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: in the. 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: Evening, so there was a concerted effort to protect school 32 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: children on school buses and all around the Bay Area. 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,279 Speaker 3: There were police officers that were following the buses, police 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: officers sheriff's deputies who were assigned to ride on the 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: buses with shotguns. There were helicopters following buses, and bus 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: drivers were given instructions on what to do in the 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 3: event that someone did shoot at them. 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 5: We have specifically requested that they alert their drivers to 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 5: not stop under any conditions if a shot is fired 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 5: or if the bus is subjected to a flat tire 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 5: by the sniper. Further, that they get the children down 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 5: immediately and proceed with all speed out of the airth 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: to try and attract all the possible attention by blowing 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 5: their horns and therefore get out of the situation. 45 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: So every effort was made to avoid the scenario that 46 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: the Zodiac preferred, and that of course created a rather 47 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: traumatic childhood for a lot of children who were growing 48 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 3: up in the Bay area and who at this time 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: now remember him as some sort of boogeyman who scared 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: them the death. 51 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 6: I heard this loud shot from the left hand side 52 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 6: of the bus. 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 7: What do the children do? 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 6: They heard it. My reaction was get them off the bus, 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 6: get them into school as fast as I could, and 56 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 6: I was right behind them. 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: Now, conversely, there's also a great piece of video from 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: that period, a piece of film footage shot by a 59 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: local news station where they're interviewing one of the bus drivers. 60 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 8: Have any of the drivers trust any concern over their job? 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 9: Now, there's naturally talk everybody, so I guess there's chanced 62 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 9: about it, but they all seem to be in good 63 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 9: spirits and all seem to be going on with the job. 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 9: I don't know of anybody that's quit. 65 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: And the bus driver saying, well, you know, I'm not 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: really that concerned about it or whatever, but we're going 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: to be careful. And in the background there's a little 68 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: kid who shouts out, you're not afraid. 69 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 9: No, no, no, not too afraid. 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: And it kind of puts things in perspective for you 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: that children really didn't understand what was going on. They 72 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: knew enough to be scared, and they knew enough that 73 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: there was something happening around them, but they had no 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: concept like the adults did, of what was really going on. 75 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: The children just knew someone was threatening them. The adults 76 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: knew that they were being threatened by a man had 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: already killed before and was perfectly capable of doing it again. 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: So that bus threat changed everything in the case. It 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: not only terrified people and created this whole situation where 80 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: they'd have to protect children all over the Bay area, 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 3: but it also elevated the Zodiac to a level he 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: had not been at before, which was someone who could 83 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: attack anyone at any time. 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 8: A man in a mask, robbed, tied, and stabbed them, 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 8: leaving them for. 86 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 5: Dam subjects stated, I want to report a murder, no 87 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 5: a double murder. 88 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 7: I did it. 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 8: A man who wore an evil style executionershood, carried a 90 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 8: knife and gun and intended to use them. 91 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 9: They haven't arrested me because they I'm not the damn Zodiac. 92 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: Who is the Zodiac and where is he from? 93 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 10: iHeartRadio, Houstuff Works and Tenderfoot TV. This is monster, the 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 10: Zodiac killer. There's nothing like the hysteria and paranoia of 95 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 10: fearing for their child's life. The Zodiac preyed on hysteria 96 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 10: and fear like the Joker from Batman. Fear made him 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 10: feel powerful, and it created a difficult problem for journalists 98 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 10: and civic figures. Should one continue reporting the misdeeds of 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 10: the Zodiac or does that only fuel him? Is that 100 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 10: doing what he wants? The worst part about fear mongering 101 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 10: is it a bomb doesn't even have to be there 102 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 10: to accomplish the goal of Mayhem. 103 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Zodiac's threat to harm school children created a ripple effect 104 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: across the Bay Area. In Valeo, the local community was 105 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: still reeling from the recent attacks. It had only been 106 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: a few months since the Zodiac killed Darlene Farrin at 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: Blue Rock Springs. Now Valeo police were also taking precautions 108 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: to protect school buses. While San Francisco was no stranger 109 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: to high pressure situations, Valeo was different. Suburban quiet back then. 110 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 11: Valeo was a really really nice town, nice place to live. 111 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 11: Me and my little sister walked to school all the time. 112 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 11: I was, you know, ride along Sonoma Boulevard there at 113 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 11: seven eight years old, and nobody thought anything of it. 114 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 11: My name is Mark Ibner. I'm fifty six. I live 115 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 11: in Loomis, California, and I was born and raised in Balo. 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 11: In the neighborhood that we lived in California Meadows, we 117 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 11: had a huge, huge field or lot. As kids, we 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 11: could just go play around and collect lady bugs and 119 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 11: a lot of friends. You know, we'd just go ride 120 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 11: bikes and do kid things. I'd be five six years 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 11: old and be gone for hours with my friends in 122 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 11: the neighborhood and out in that field, and I think 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 11: my mom ever had any worry about that until. 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: Just shoot out the front tire and then pick off 125 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: the kiddies as they come bouncing out. 126 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 11: I remember as a kid having a cop car follow 127 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 11: behind us, and I remember that because as kids we 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 11: would all kind of run to the back of the 129 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 11: bus and wave with the cop out the back window 130 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 11: of the bus. And then certainly for a couple of years, 131 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 11: our trick or treating had to be done in the daylight. Obviously. 132 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 7: With adults, what is most noticeable is the lack of 133 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 7: teenagers and young people out at night or in the weekends. 134 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 7: It seems that the parents are are keeping the children home. 135 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 11: I don't have a recollection of saying that, you know, 136 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 11: the Zodiac killers out there. I heard the name. I 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 11: just knew that there was something going on. You know, 138 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 11: you'd see the headlines in the Valeo Times Herald. Nobody 139 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 11: was really thinking about a serial killer so much as 140 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 11: just a couple people that were murdered. I think that 141 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 11: started taking on that life, you know, in the in 142 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 11: the following years. 143 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 12: There's a lot of Valeo ones who have been here 144 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 12: for generations. A lot of them you know, of course, 145 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 12: worked at Mare Island, at the shipyard, and so even 146 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 12: though we're in a major metropolitan area, especially, I think 147 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 12: at that time it really had kind of a small 148 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 12: town feel to it. It just just another typical suburb, 149 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 12: which is why I think the events with the Zodiac 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 12: were so surprising, because it doesn't seem like the kind 151 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 12: of thing that would happen in a town like Valeo. 152 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 12: My name is Jim Kern. I'm the executive director of 153 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 12: the Valeo Naval and Historical Museum. You hear about murders 154 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 12: and violence, and it's always been, unfortunately a part of 155 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 12: human nature, but sometimes it takes place in an environment that's, 156 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 12: you know, a little scarier, or something that's that's not 157 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 12: germane to people's everyday life. So this is different because 158 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 12: this was just everyday people that might have been your 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 12: next door neighbors, and suddenly it's it's right here in 160 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 12: your town, So that makes it quite a bit more scary. 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 12: There's always been murders, and there's always scandals and crimes, 162 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 12: and people are interested in that kind of thing. People 163 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 12: were kind of fascinated by it, but I think the 164 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 12: fascination is when they can read about it or see 165 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 12: a movie, or when it's sort of one or two 166 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 12: or three steps removed from their everyday life. But suddenly, 167 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 12: when it's happening all around you, that's a different thing altogether, 168 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 12: and it's no longer quite so fascinating. It becomes more terrifying. 169 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: Valeo would be forever changed by this chapter. That feeling 170 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: of small town charm had begun to fade, and maybe 171 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: that's exactly what the zodiac wanted in San Francisco police 172 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: took these threats even more seriously. Patrols followed dozens of 173 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: buses on their routes each morning and afternoon, and this 174 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: lasted for months. To achieve this, police had to dedicate 175 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: a huge amount of manpower and this got me thinking 176 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: could they pull that off today? And if not, how 177 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: would San Francisco officials respond to such a threat. 178 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 13: The response nowadays would be very different from what we 179 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 13: probably saw in the late sixties with regards to manpower 180 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 13: and being able to have the people to do that 181 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 13: would be very tough. My name is Paul Cassada and 182 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 13: I'm the director of Crisis Response and Emergency Preparedness for 183 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 13: the San FRANCISCOO Unified School District. Crisis response is being 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 13: able to deal with the day to day issues that 185 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 13: might be affecting our schools. There's a case, an example 186 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 13: that I share with my staff. Two teachers were outside supervising. 187 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 13: One of them heard loud pops from a distance. She 188 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 13: had no idea what it was, but it felt wrong 189 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 13: to her. She had never heard it before. The pops 190 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 13: were getting closer and she felt we need to move 191 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 13: the kids inside, and so she did. Small school, maybe 192 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 13: hundred and thirty kids there, and it was a gentleman 193 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 13: who had gone out in his vehicle and was shooting 194 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 13: at anything he could and pulled up into the school. Unfortunately, 195 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 13: no one was out there because the teacher brought everyone inside. 196 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: Paul Casada deals with situations like these every year. However, 197 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: he had never heard of anything like Zodiac's threat to 198 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: shoot a school. Thus, these days school threats are very different. 199 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 13: We're following that breaking news story for you out of 200 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 13: Texas this hour. 201 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 14: Police have confirmed there are multiple casualties at a local 202 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 14: high school in Santa Fe, which is south of Houston. 203 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 13: These unfortunate things have been happening for years, right, and 204 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 13: usually the warning comes from the sounds of gunfire, or 205 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 13: the voices and distress or what have you. I think 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 13: information is always key for all of us, and I 207 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 13: think when people don't have it, that's when panic mode 208 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 13: tends to kick in. 209 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Luckily, Paul Casada says, the response time of law enforcement 210 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: has only gotten better. That's due in large part to 211 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: advancements in technology. 212 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 13: There was no mass way of getting this information out quickly. 213 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 13: You know, you had to put it in the newspaper, 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 13: print it and send it out, and then you had 215 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 13: to hope yet people buying the press right to be 216 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 13: able to see it. I think today, given our technology, 217 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 13: where we can, you know, send out a quick message 218 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 13: to everybody, a mass message, you know, I mean, heck, 219 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 13: we can send out a message and a phone call 220 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 13: to all fifty seven thousand of our students in a 221 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 13: matter of two seconds. It's impressive how we can do 222 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 13: that now versus back then when you weren't able to 223 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 13: do that. 224 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 15: So the first letter came, you know, and was printed 225 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 15: in the Sunday paper, and when the second letters came, 226 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 15: we printed our story and Examiner printed their story. 227 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: Remember Duffy Jennings, he was a copy boy who became 228 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: a crime reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle. I met 229 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: up with him at a park near his home. 230 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 15: You know, I still don't. I still don't have a 231 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 15: sense that this was the biggest story of the day. 232 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 15: But it was decided that yes, there's a bona fide threat, 233 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 15: there's evidence that whoever wrote this letter committed these shootings, 234 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 15: and we'd better take it seriously enough that if we 235 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 15: don't print it and he does take out a school 236 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 15: bus full of kids and they find out that we 237 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 15: knew about it ahead of time, didn't tell anybody. It's 238 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 15: that same dilemma that editors go through every day. Is 239 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 15: it in the public interest and benefit to publish this 240 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 15: even though it might panic people? And the decision was 241 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 15: made that in the interest of public safety, it was 242 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 15: sort of compelling to publish the threat so people could 243 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 15: take their own measures as they saw fit. And it 244 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 15: did panic people a lot of kids. The kids were 245 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 15: kept home from school or at least kept off their 246 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 15: school bus. Parents were walking their kids to school or 247 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 15: driving them to school, and buses were you know, were 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 15: empty to a large degree just because of this. So 249 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 15: that was the impact. But I don't remember it as 250 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 15: a story that had a lot of legs that there 251 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 15: was a follow up the next day and the next 252 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 15: day and the next day, as you as big stories 253 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 15: tend to do. Also, in nineteen seventy seventy one, there 254 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 15: was the kidnap of the chow Chillis school bus out 255 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 15: in the Central Valley, where three guys commandeered a school 256 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 15: bus with twenty six kids on it, age five to fourteen, 257 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 15: took the bus to a quarry in Livermore and buried 258 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 15: it for several days until the driver and the kids 259 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 15: were able to dig their way out, and the three 260 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 15: guys who did it went to prison. So Zodiac wasn't 261 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 15: the only sort of school bus situation that occurred. Then 262 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 15: here was a guy who learned to manipulate the media, 263 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 15: a threatned public safety, and nobody knew where the next 264 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 15: attack was going to come from. Now we have, in 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 15: my view, one of the early terrorists. 266 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: The Zodiac's threat to shoot kids on a school bus 267 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: was only the beginning. 268 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: Once he had committed his murders and started writing his 269 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: letters and terrifying people, and then he started threatening to 270 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: shoot school children and things. That wasn't enough for him. 271 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: Then he moved on to the next level, where he 272 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: started threatening to blow up a school bus full of children. 273 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: He claimed that he had planted bombs along roadsides that 274 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: would take out a school bus full of kids. He 275 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: would send these diagrams, these elaborate drawings of these bombs. 276 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: He would describe the ingredients that were going to be used, 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: and he referred to this as his death machine. 278 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: The death machine is already made. I would have sent 279 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: you pictures, but you would be nasty enough to trace 280 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: them back to developer and then to me, So I 281 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: shall describe my masterpiece to you. Take one bag of 282 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: ammonium nitrate fertilizer and one gallon of. 283 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: Still will again. The San Francisco Chronicle had a difficult 284 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: choice to make. Would they publish the Zodiac's threat or not. 285 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: The Chronicle decided not to publish. 286 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 16: I think it's extremely unnerving to think that there's somebody 287 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 16: out there preying on young people more or less randomly, 288 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 16: and then taunting the culture at large through the media. 289 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: This is Peter Richardson, historian and lecturer at San Francisco 290 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: State University. 291 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 16: I mean, if you want to compare it to a 292 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 16: similar case, you can think of the abduction of Patty Hearst. 293 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 8: Good Evening, Patty Hurst has been taken into custoding. The 294 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 8: FBI says Patty Hurst was picked up today in San Francisco, 295 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 8: the Hearst newspaper. Heiress has been missing for nineteen months. 296 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 8: First she was kidnapped, Then she announced that she had 297 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 8: joined ranks with her kidnappers, members of the Symbionese Liberation Army. 298 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 8: She called herself Tanya. She was later indicted in connection 299 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 8: with the San Francisco bank hold up and labeled a 300 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 8: fugitive with. 301 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 16: The abduction of the granddaughter of this great media titan, 302 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 16: William Randolph Hurst and her father, who was still connected 303 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 16: with the San Francisco Examiner. The media frenzy that resulted, 304 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 16: predictable as it was, was a huge part of the 305 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 16: story itself. So in some ways we start to see 306 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 16: the media become a player in the stories that they're covering, 307 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 16: partly because it had to do with the media. And 308 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 16: I think that was really true both with Zodiac but 309 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 16: also with the Patty Hurst induction. Whether or not the 310 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 16: media made the right call there, I know they struggled 311 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 16: with it. It's not obvious that you want to turn 312 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 16: your newspaper over to a nut and let them communicate 313 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 16: directly with your readers. We see that again with the 314 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 16: unibomber case. 315 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 17: On January twenty second, nineteen ninety eight, the unibomber ted 316 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 17: Kazinski pleaded guilty to avoid the death penalty. Kazinsky sent 317 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 17: sixteen mail bombs to universities and airlines over a seventeen 318 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 17: year period, killing three people and injuring twenty four before 319 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 17: his arrest in nineteen ninety five. The Washington Post and 320 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 17: New York Times reluctantly printed his thirty five thousand word 321 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 17: manifesto under threat Kazinski would strike again if they. 322 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 16: Didn't, which turns out to be the key to the 323 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 16: arrass maid in the unibomber case, because somebody realizes, Hey, 324 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 16: that letter, that writing sounds a lot like my brothers. 325 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 16: So you can make arguments both ways. I think if 326 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 16: you let this information out, you might get new information 327 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 16: from somebody that says, boy, that sounds like you might 328 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 16: get leads that way, but there's a real risk because 329 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 16: if you know that your perpetrator is kind of getting 330 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 16: energy from this and that it becomes something that he 331 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 16: wants to keep doing, if you open that door, then 332 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 16: you really have a kind of moral decision and a 333 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 16: moral responsibility if you're the media. 334 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 14: When it comes to the ethics governing how you report 335 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 14: on serial killers, terrorists, mass there's tons and tons of 336 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 14: journal articles written by people trying to assert certain journalistic 337 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 14: codes of conduct and stuff like that, but there's no 338 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 14: clear consensus because it's so incredibly debatable. 339 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Adam Rgusia is a professor of journalism at Mercer University. 340 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 14: So many of the arguments about how you should absolutely 341 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 14: publish this or you shouldn't publish that are predicated on 342 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 14: unprovable counterfactuals, right, like it asks us to believe that 343 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 14: if a newspaper hadn't published a thing, then somebody wouldn't 344 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 14: have gotten killed. Well, we can't know that. And then 345 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 14: there's another point of view that says no, no, no, no no, 346 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 14: we shouldn't concern ourselves with outcomes. In journalism, that's not 347 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 14: our job. We're not activists and we're not cops, right, 348 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 14: we're journalists. Our job is to put information out there. 349 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 14: If it's relevant, if it's newsworthy, then you put it 350 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 14: out there, and then you let the chips fall where 351 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 14: they may. There's other people whose job it is to 352 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 14: concern themselves with the outcomes. Job is to get the 353 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 14: information out there. And I'm not saying you never withhold stuff, 354 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 14: but I think if you are going withhold information, it's 355 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 14: got to be because there's an immediate direct threat to 356 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 14: somebody's life that would be posed by publishing that information, 357 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 14: or some very specific way in which publishing that information 358 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 14: would sabotage a police investigation. You know, when there's a 359 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 14: really direct line that you can draw, that's when you 360 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 14: hold back information. But if it's just sort of vague. 361 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 14: Then I think you. 362 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 16: Put it out there. 363 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 14: And I also don't think you should necessarily trust what 364 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 14: the cops say, you know, because police and government agencies 365 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 14: they have sort of a bias towards secrecy, they really do, 366 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 14: and they will sometimes ask you to not publish something, 367 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 14: and if you try to interrogate them as to why, 368 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 14: they don't even really have a good answer. You know, 369 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 14: it's just they have a bias towards towards secrecy. So 370 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 14: unless they can give you a really good answer, no, 371 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 14: you publish because that's what you do. You're concerned more 372 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 14: with matters spiritual than matters temporal, meaning you're concerned more 373 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 14: with informed the public than with how that information may 374 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 14: be used out there in the world. 375 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: These bombs, they serve the purpose of removing him from 376 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: the equation. He doesn't have to be there anymore to 377 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 3: kill you. That's frightening. I'm just going to set this 378 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: up and someone's going to die, and I won't be 379 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 3: anywhere near where this happens. And I think this was 380 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 3: part of a change in his mo to where he 381 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 3: didn't need to actually carry out a crime anymore to 382 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: scare people and get attention. But now he was creating 383 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: crimes in your head. He was making you imagine what 384 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 3: would happen. But people believed it could happen, and that 385 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 3: was all the matter. 386 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: Another letter concerning the bombs arrived at the Chronicle. 387 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy yourselves when I have my blast. 388 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: If you don't want me to have this blast, you 389 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: must tell everyone about the bus bomb with all the details. 390 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: Now there was a direct threat. The Zodiac said he'd 391 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: put the bomb to use if the Chronicle didn't write 392 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: about it. And this time the paper decided that they 393 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: had to publish, but they didn't publish everything. 394 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 14: This whole dilemma of should journalists concern themselves with simply 395 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 14: informing the public with relevant information or should they concern 396 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 14: themselves with the effects of their reporting. It's a really, 397 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 14: really problematic dilemma. There's no clear answer about it. But 398 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 14: maybe things get a little bit clearer when you start 399 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 14: talking about things like bomb recipes. You know, it seems 400 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 14: like it's a pretty clear case of journalism ethics that 401 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 14: you don't publish a bomb recipe unless the bomb recipe 402 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 14: is like inherently newsworthy in some way, Because you can 403 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 14: have a reasonable degree of confidence in thinking that, like, 404 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 14: if anyone is going to use that for anything, it's 405 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 14: going to be to film a freaking bomb and kill right. 406 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 14: There's no no conceivable, legitimate way of using that information. 407 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: The San Francisco Chronicle decided to omit the Zodiac's bomb 408 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: recipes and specifications, even though he demanded they quote publish 409 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: all the details. 410 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 14: You got to ask yourself, like, what's the more likely 411 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 14: scenario here that like, this guy who's killed a bunch 412 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 14: of people is going to kill somebody again, or that 413 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 14: somebody is going to build this bomb from this creepy 414 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 14: recipe and kill somebody. 415 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 16: I don't know. 416 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 14: I kind of feel like the former is the more 417 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 14: likely scenario. I don't think that this scenario would even 418 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 14: present itself today, but let's imagine that it did. Zodiac 419 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 14: Killer is sending me a whole bunch of stuff to 420 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 14: my newspaper and asking me to publish it, and I'm 421 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 14: trying to decide whether or not I should publish it. 422 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 14: I feel like the calculus would be a little bit 423 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 14: different because I would know that this stuff would get 424 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 14: out anyway, Like the public is going to get access 425 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 14: to this information. Investigators are going to find it. I 426 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 14: don't have to publish it. Like you know, I as 427 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 14: a professionaljournalist and less of a direct and crucial line 428 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 14: of information today than I was in the seventies. Right, 429 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 14: this stuff is going to get out there. What's up 430 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 14: to me is whether or not I boost this killer's notoriety. 431 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 14: It's whether I amplify the signal of this bomb recipe. 432 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 14: It's going to be on the internet regardless. If you're 433 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 14: a serial killer and you want to get your message 434 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 14: out there, you could just post it pretty much anywhere 435 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 14: on the Internet today and have a reasonable degree of 436 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 14: confidence that people would go and find it and disseminate 437 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 14: it after you had done your deed. I think violence 438 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 14: is inherently powerful. Violence is power. There's no way to 439 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 14: take power away from violence. Anyone who is willing to 440 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 14: wield terrible violence will acquire power as a result, and 441 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 14: there's nothing that people in the media can do to 442 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 14: neutralize that effect. If people want to kill somebody, they're 443 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 14: going to gain notoriety, whether we publish their face or not. 444 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: Zodiac be satisfied without the public knowing all about his 445 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: death machine. 446 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: What you do not know is whether the death machine 447 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 2: is at the site, or whether it's being stored in 448 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: my basement for future use. I think you do not 449 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: have the manpower to stop this one by continually searching 450 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 2: the roadsides looking for this thing, and it won't do 451 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: to reroute and reschedule the buses. It could be rather 452 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 2: messy if you try to bluff me. PS be sure 453 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: to print the part I marked out on page three, 454 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: or I shall do my thing. 455 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Next time. 456 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 10: On Monster the Zodiac Killer did. 457 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 4: Today there was a possibly significant development this morning. The 458 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: people of San Francisco heard a man who claimed to 459 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 4: be Zodiac talking on the. 460 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 15: Air my opinion on a diamond by I have a 461 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 15: cup of coffee. 462 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 4: I don't really know. The only thing I can conclude 463 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: is it sounded like a fellow who does have a 464 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: pretty storious problem. 465 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 15: During the course of my a couple of years as 466 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 15: a copy boy, I got to know all the reporters 467 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 15: pretty well, and that included Paul Avery. Whenever I went 468 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 15: out of the building with Paul, I had to kind 469 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 15: of look around. Paul started to wear a holster and 470 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 15: he got a handgun permit from the police chief. 471 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: Dear Melboyn, this is the Zodiac speaking. Please help me. 472 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: I cannot reach out for help because this thing in 473 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: me won't let me. I'm afraid I will lose control 474 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: again and take my ninth and possibly tenth victim. I 475 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: am drowning at the moment the children are stay from 476 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: the bomb, but if I hold back too long from 477 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: number nine, I will lose complete all control of myself. 478 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 2: Please help me, Signed. 479 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 7: Zodiac. 480 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 10: Monster. The Zodiac Killer is a fifteen episode podcast produced 481 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 10: by iHeartRadio, How Stuff Works and Tenderfoot TV. 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