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Speaker 1: Joining me an All Star panel, Christy Missourich, Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: crisis communications firm. Katherine Maloney. That's doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy

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Speaker 1: Buyer's former police chief, John's Creek twenty five years on

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Speaker 1: Jenny's body. What a shock that must have been. That's

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Speaker 1: the victim's wife Athena Kelly. To everyone joining us, thank

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Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell, who died in her sleep. That's the

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Speaker 1: only time I've ever heard a cod not released to

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Speaker 1: the family. What about that, doctor Kathery Maloney, Um, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to say why the decision was made

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Speaker 1: not to release the cause of death. It's possible that

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Speaker 1: that the whoever the forensic pathologist is that performed the

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Speaker 1: examination is not one hundred percent certain of the cause

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Speaker 1: of death, so that might be why they've chosen to

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Speaker 1: pend it, or it may have been something that was

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Speaker 1: requested by the person who was in charge, which I

436
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: believe in that jurisdiction would be a sheriff coroner. So

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00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: that person works for both the police department and is

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Speaker 1: also the coroner, so I kind of straddle both roles.

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00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if that's why. But me personally,

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Speaker 1: when I know something is a homicide, I don't think

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00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I've ever had a case where I've not called it

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Speaker 1: a homicide. If I think it's a homicide for the

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Speaker 1: purpose of the investigation, I don't really know that. That interesting,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Maloney is that they have absolutely stated it is

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Speaker 1: a homicide, but they refuse to release cod cause of death.

446
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: So they've released it it's a homicide. But according to

447
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: what a thing that Kelly is telling us she's heard

448
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: through the Great Vine, which I think is entirely unfair

449
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: to victims families, that it was blunt forced trauma. To

450
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Annett Bain, the victims neighbor who actually discovered Jenny's body,

451
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Speaker 1: you said that you saw a pool of blood under

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Speaker 1: her body, correct, Yeah, under her mainly toward her head.

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Speaker 1: So it just like she bled out, and I had

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Speaker 1: in my mind the scenary that she was found near

455
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: the foot of the bed. But now I'm understanding she

456
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: was kind of behind the door. She was in a

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Speaker 1: room that was had a lot of clutter in it

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Speaker 1: and like a storage ring on the floor. No, that

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Speaker 1: was I'm sorry, that was her office. Okay, that office,

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00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: So she was founding an office I had a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff in it was behind the door and a

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Speaker 1: vain Yes, yes, it almost sounds as if she were

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Speaker 1: in there with the door shut, against the door or

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Speaker 1: behind the door, and somebody pushed it open and then

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Speaker 1: hit her in the head. I mean, sure, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you know. I don't. I don't know. But she fell

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Speaker 1: and her her head was down, face down, and right

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Speaker 1: underneath her head was a tremendous amount of blood. When

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Speaker 1: you say she fell, could this have been an accident?

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Speaker 1: I know I thought that too. In fact, that's the

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Speaker 1: first place I went. And so when the officer came

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Speaker 1: to talk to me and said it looks as if

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Speaker 1: she's lost consciousness and she fell, I was like almost relieved,

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Speaker 1: like thank God, no one did anything. Horror. I'm not

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Speaker 1: not that it would Wait, what object in that room?

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Speaker 1: Based on where she was Annette Baine, what object could

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00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: she possibly have hit? If she's right behind the door,

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Speaker 1: I'm just in seemtively looking over at the door in

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Speaker 1: our studio. There's got to be a space for the

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Speaker 1: door to open unless it's a pocket door. Was it

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Speaker 1: a pocket door Athena? No door that opens, So you've

482
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: got to have that amount of space for the door

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Speaker 1: to open, what like three feet for the door swing.

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Speaker 1: So if she's behind the door, what had she fallen hit?

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Speaker 1: There's no furniture there or is there? Athena? Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: a computer room, Like I'm not sure because I wasn't there,

487
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: but I know they took a computer tower as evidence,

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Speaker 1: But I don't I can't imagine that she would fall

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Speaker 1: on hit her head on a computer tower and that

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00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: would make her I think. Is the Is the floor carpeted? No,

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Speaker 1: there's really no carpeted stone floor or wooden floor. Yeah,

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00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: it's a you know, stone stove floor. So if she

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00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: fell on the stone, would that have been enough? Was

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Speaker 1: she on any kind of blood thinner or any kind

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00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: of medication that would make her bleed out? No? Nothing, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Catherine Maloney, Doctor Maloney, this is what I'm getting at.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to just fall on the floor and die.

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00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, what object is she going to fall on

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Speaker 1: with so much velocity that it breaks her head open

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00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and then we hear there's been blunt force trauma. There's

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00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: a big difference when you conduct an autopsy when somebody

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00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: falls on the floor and they bleed out as opposed

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Speaker 1: to blunt forced trauma. Explain the difference between a single fall.

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Speaker 1: People fall all the time, but they don't die, and

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Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. Doctor I completely agree, Nancy, and I

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00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: feel like this is a common misconception. People generally don't

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00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: fall down and hit their heads and die. The only

508
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: way this happens is you can fall down and hit

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00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: your head and then have internal bleeding inside your brain.

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00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: But that's something that's going to take hours, maybe even days.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have a headache, you're going to feel

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Speaker 1: like something's wrong. They're going to have obvious injuries to

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: your scalp, like bruises or lacerations, breaks in the skin.

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00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: But it's going to take time. People generally don't fall

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00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: down from a standing height and hit their heads and

516
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: then immediately become unconscious and die. It just doesn't happen. Well,

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00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: when do you expect to find in an autopsy when

518
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: there's been blunt forced trauma to the head and the

519
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: person dies. So with blunt force trauma, it can really

520
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: depend on whatever object was used I guess to injure

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00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: the person. So they may have lacerations or breaks in

522
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: the skin. They may have abrasions or scrapes. They may

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00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: have bruises, they may have skull fractures. There may be

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: bleeding in the brain or bruising on the brain. It

525
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: really depends on the extent of the injury and what

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00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: object may or may not have been used to strike them.

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Speaker 1: An example we're talking about everyone recalls Liam Neeson's What

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00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: Beautiful actress Natasha Richardson was skiing, hit a tree with

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00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: her head and didn't want to go to the doctor,

530
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: went home and laid down that night, and she had

531
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: internal bleeding and she died. There's nothing to really see

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00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: on the outside, maybe a bruise, but she had the

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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: internal bleeding that doctor Katherine Maloney's talking about. I want

534
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: to circle back to Chris Buyer's former police John's Creek

535
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: twenty five years on the force. Why would you tell

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00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: a neighbor to clean up a crime scene? Why, Yeah,

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00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: he would never do that. And as we've talked about

538
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: in the past, when you go into these scenes, you

539
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: always go in treating them like a homicide. You always

540
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: treat it to the highest degree it could possibly be,

541
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: because then you can scale back as the investigation unfold.

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00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: The problem is when you go in at a lower level,

543
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: you can never get the things that you missed by

544
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: not treating this as a homicide from the beginning. That

545
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: scene should have been completely processed that day, again as

546
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a homicide, that you would never ever tell a neighbor

547
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: to go in and say that it's okay to clean

548
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: up that scene. To Dona Jeff Gardeer, the Clinical Site

549
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Board certified psychologist professor at Turnau College, Doctor Jeff to

550
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: deal with the loss of the person you love the most,

551
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: and then to deal with the fact that you don't

552
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: know what happened. How debilitating is that. I'm sure that

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00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: Jenny's family and Athena very much are grieving, but now

554
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: we look at a sort of a complicated bereavement in

555
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: that you don't have any answers, so there's no completion

556
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: there's no wondering at this point when this will ever end.

557
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: And now that we're hearing Nancy that this may have

558
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: been mishandled initially by the police officers, then there's got

559
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: to be some measure of anger that is part of

560
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: this situation which prolongs the process of ever getting your

561
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: own life back together again. To ask you, Wilcott, what

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00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: if any writes does the victim's family have to get

563
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: the truth out of the medical examiner cops. Well, listen,

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, as you well know, prosecutor offices frequel we

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: have victim assistance right to help victims. And so if

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00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: the medicalist Emmer's office or the police are saying nope,

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00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: we're not going to release any of this information to family,

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00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: my suggestion thought would be to go to the prosecutor's

569
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: office to enlist their help as the victim, even if

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: there're no charges at this time, to say, listen, we're

571
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: the victims in this case and we want information. Nancy.

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00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: The other thing I have to say, and it's just

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00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: to point out and highlight that cases always need to

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00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: be treated as a homicide from the get go. I'm

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00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: not suggesting that she hurt herself in any way, shape

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00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: or form. But I'm wondering if the injuries might have

577
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: been such that there was an assumption by police that

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00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: she had hurt herself and therefore, okay, let's let them

579
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: clean it up and we're not going to treat it

580
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: as a homicide. Again. The highlight of that to me

581
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: is regardless of the injuries, it should always be treated

582
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: as something happened to this person that needs to be investigated.

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00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: To Chrissy Missourich joining US investigative reporter, where does it

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00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: stand now? I mean, the brother is feeling the same

585
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: way her brother feels helpless, he says, and it's offered

586
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: a twenty five thousand dollar reward. What is the latest?

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00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Christy Well and the members of the media that are

588
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to help this family track down a killer are

589
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: also becoming angered and dispelled by the police department because

590
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: they have changed their story. You know, when the media

591
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: shows up on a tragic scene like this, we either

592
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: become the friends or full of investigators. So they either

593
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: want the media to help them get information, or once

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00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: there's a screw up, they put the freeze. And I'm

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00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: telling you, my colleagues out in California have been telling

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00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: me since this occurred weeks ago, they have been frozen out,

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00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: and as recently as just a few weeks back, they

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00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 1: held this virtual zoom meeting right to finally address the residence. Well,

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00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: when residents started questioning the police department about why they

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00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: haven't received any information, they pulled the plug on the meeting. Okay,

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00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: that's not a good signal to san to Athena, Kelly,

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00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: what can you tell about tell me about nearby surveillance video. Well,

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00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: the thing is in our neighborhood over the past maybe

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00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, six years, like the Kent Rippall, we

605
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: had a full neighborhood, all the homes people lived in

606
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: full time, and then our neighborhood changed into our bnb's

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00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: where we didn't know the neighbors anymore. On my street,

608
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: in particular, there's only three permanent residents, myself, Malory, and

609
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: someone across the street, a friend. So there are surveillance.

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: Malory's wasn't working. She had a camera, it wasn't working.

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Speaker 1: I guess my point saying that is just that the

612
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: neighborhoods are more empty because people have sold and the

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00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: homes have been turned into urbnb's, So it's very empty.

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00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: Interesting that there are a lot of airbnbs in that area,

615
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: so who knows who is coming in and out of

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. If you know or think you know anything

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00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: about the death of this woman, Jenny Dylan in Palm Springs,

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Speaker 1: please dial seven six zero seven seven eight eight four

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Speaker 1: two two. We wait as justice and falls. Nancy Gray

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Speaker 1: scribe story, signing off, good bye friend,