1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: one thirty two. It is a hearing that everyone will 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: be watching. O. J. Sampson will get his shot at freedom. 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: He scheduled to have a prole hearing on Thursday, Nevada. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: So you for we're a football star is sitting right 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: now in a state prison for robbery in Las Vegas. No. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't dead or hurt anybody. I just wanted my 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: personal things. And I realized and I was stupid of me. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Count one conspiracy to commit a crime guilty. Count two 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: conspiracity kidnapping guilty. Count three conspiracity commit robbery guilty. I 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: am sorry. I didn't mean to steal anything from anybody, 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: and I didn't know I was doing anything illegal. Sixty 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: minutes and counting, sixty minutes and counting before a Nevada 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: parole board. Here's evidence and will determine whether so called 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: America's number one bad guy Orenthal James Pipson, we'll walk free. 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: We are in accountdown as we wait for justice to 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: unfold there in Carson City, Nevada. I Nancy Grace, this 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: is crime stories here on Sirius XM and we are 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: taking your calls, joining me right now to break it 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: down and put it back together again. Two time Emmy 21 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Award winning investigative journalist Art Harris also with me, forensic 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: psychiatrists out of Florida, doctor Daniel Bober also with me. 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix, author of Guarding the Juice. How OJ Simpson 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: became My prison b f F Well, I don't know 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: that i'd brag about that, but as we keep an 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: I on the clock, I want to go straight out 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: to Art Harris. Arn't Harris, it's happening. And I have 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: been in one dog fight after the next ever since 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: it was announced this Parold Board hearing was going down. 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: And I still stand by my assertion that OJ Simpson 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: should not get parole. And I'll tell you why. If 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: you'll look at the guidelines on whether someone gets parole. 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: The Parole Board can look at aggravating circumstances and quote 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: other evidence that includes the nineteen ninety seven civil verdict 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: of a jury that unanimously decided Simpson was guilty was 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: responsible for those two murders. That means a lot to me. 37 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: How can the parole board ignore that? Aren't they can 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: ignore anything? They want. It's their prerogative, and in this case, 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: it's the question, do they want to send a message 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: to other inmates? Try hard and maybe you can get 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: out like O J two, or message to the other inmates. 42 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: On his time here, he's kept relatively clean and therefore 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: he's paid for at least some je How about a 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: message to the rest of the world. What about a 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: message to other people that are considering a life of it? 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: And they'll see this, they go, I don't want to 47 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit in love lock us in 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: my life. Uh, what about that message? Aren't Harris for Nancy? 49 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: He's he's got a shot at his first parole date 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: that would come up for thirty three years, so that's 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: after after seven years he gets a shot. So that 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: is you know, why don't they skip. They could easily 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: veto that. That's a that's that's their prerogative, and hopefully 54 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: those who believe injustice will get a message to them. 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: But the way the wind is blowing, the way the 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: wind is blowing, you know, as I said yesterday, my 57 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: prediction is they will let him out. Okay, the wind 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: is blowing. I hardly think. Aren't Harris you know I 59 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: know you've got your two Emmys, all right. I hardly 60 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: think that the way the wind is blowing is legal precedent. 61 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: And I can tell you this much. I would not 62 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: want to push my cart down the aisle at Walmart 63 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: and have everybody walk up to me and go, why 64 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: did you vote to let O. J. Simpson out of jail? 65 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Why with me? I'm going to go straight to Jeffrey Felix, 66 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: author of Guarding the Jus How OJ Simpson became my 67 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: prison BFF. First of all, thank you for being with us. 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix. What can you tell me about OJ Simpson 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: getting preferential treatment behind bars? Well, Nancy, OJ get they're 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: unwritten rules. There's a few of them. We'll start with. 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: If there was an art altercation on the yard, like 72 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: a fight on the yard, the officer was up in 73 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: a gun bubble, the officer would have to stand the 74 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: yard to make sure O. J. Simpson isn't anywhere near 75 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: the fight till he wouldn't get shot. Does it be 76 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: a very bad day for the prison system in the 77 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: state in the batlef OJ Simpson got shot? Okay? Any 78 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: kind of force that's used against OJ, like if they 79 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: have to put him in handcuffs or anything like that 80 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: has to come from sergeant or above. Okay. Third, nobody 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: can shake down his cell unless it's authorized by the 82 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: warden or the warden designate. There's also no unscheduled visitor 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: attack with OJ Simpson, So people just can't come to 84 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: the prison and OJA agrees to see them, they can't. 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: They still can't come in. And every inmate in the 86 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: state of Nevada gets an ID card that he has 87 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: to keep on them or on her at all times, 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: so they get a write up. O J. Simpson does 89 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: not have an ID card. And the reason that is 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: is because O. J. Simpson was given an ID card 91 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: an officer in Vegas when he was down there for 92 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: a few weeks, took the ID card and sold it 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: on eBay. This this is the kind of things that 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: the Nevada Department of Compressions is dealing with. I mean 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: having this big time celebrity, you mean a two time killer. Well, 96 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: he was acquitted of that, so that it does not 97 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: mean he didn't do it. Jeffrey Well, I believe in 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: he was acquitted by one jury and found guilty by 99 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: another jury. Well, he was found guilty by us. I 100 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: mean really that that can that can bring any kind 101 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: of evidence. That's right. Here's saying everything goes that is 102 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: not true, that is not true. Any evidence is not 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: allowed in a civil trial, absolutely not. But the that 104 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: he flunked his life detector, Yeah, that came in the 105 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: fact that he lied about owning Bruno Molly's shoes and 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: that the Bruno Molly footsteps were found in the blood 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: in Nicole Brown's blood. That came in the fact that 108 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: DNA proved his blood was at the crime scene one 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy million to one odds. That came in 110 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Nicole's blood on his socks at his home. That came 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: in Yeah, well, yeah, I'm convinced. And another thing, that 112 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: whole story about police are bad, police had a conspiracy 113 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: to convict j Simpson b s You think police could 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: be quiet all these years and not blow the whistle 115 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: on somebody and write a book for a million dollars. Mm. No, 116 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: there was no conspiracy. They bungled a few things, but 117 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Simpson did it. The two were not mutually exclusive. Doctor 118 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, Side of Florida, You really think 119 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: cops would frame Simpson, and now all these years later, 120 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: not one of them would have sold that story for 121 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: a million dollars. No way. You can't have it both ways. 122 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: You can't say that there was this massive conspiracy within 123 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: the LAPD, but then they're a bunch of bumbling fools. 124 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: Those two things can't really exist together. And even if 125 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: you buy the verdict and the criminal trial, this is 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: a guy who you know. Disclaimer, I've never formally evaluated, 127 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: so I can't diagnose him with anything. But this is 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: a guy who has completely had no respect for the law, 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: no respect for people, has played by his own rules 130 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: and thumbed his nose at law enforcement for his entire 131 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: post football career. This is someone who has no respect 132 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: for human beings. And even after he was found innocent 133 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: and acquitted in the criminal trial, he continued to have 134 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: run ins with the law. You would think if someone 135 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: was found not guilty that they would try to lay low, 136 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: but this guy was getting in trouble all the time 137 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: in different problems he was having with law enforcement. There's 138 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot of narcissism and there's a lot of sociopathy there. 139 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: In my opinion, he's just someone who I think doesn't 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: think the rules apply to him. That's the bottom line. 141 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: Daniel hold On one moment with me, doctor Daniel Bober. 142 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: Psychiatrists aren't Harris Emmy Award winning investigative journalist and Jeffrey Felix, 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: author of Guarding the Jews. I'm about to head to 144 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: the lines hold On Kathy and Madison, Wisconsin. I got 145 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: to ask Felix one more question. Jeffrey, there was one 146 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: passage in your book. Your whole book was great, by 147 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: the way, Guarding oj Guarding the Jews, but there was 148 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: one segment I'd like you to recount instead of me 149 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: recounting it where you asked, as I recall, he was 150 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: washing his hands and he looked in the mirror in 151 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: the bathroom. Yes, okay, you tell the story, Ojo. I 152 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: was in oj Cel and he just got done shaving. 153 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: When I walked in, he was looking in the mirror, 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: just finishing it up. And I told him, I said, hey, Jews, 155 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: you just solved the Brentwood murders. And he looked at 156 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: me and he goes, what are you talking about. I said, 157 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the murderer is right there in the mirror, and you 158 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: should have seen the look he gave me. He was 159 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: really upset, and he was upset for about a week, 160 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: but he got over it because he knew I was 161 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: just joking. The way you told it was that he said, 162 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: only two people in the world know who did the murders, 163 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: r Ac Collings and me. That's the point of the story, Jeffrey, 164 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: that's true. I forgot about that. Well, no, no, no, 165 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: he explained to me. Yeah, well, that's the whole point 166 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: of the story. I don't give a flying big if 167 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: he's shaving or he was mad at you for a week. 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: The point is he said to you, only two people 169 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: know who did the murders, Me and Ac. Well, hello, yeah, okay, 170 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: now hold on. He told me the story what happened 171 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: that night, so I know what happened that night was 172 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: two drug dealers showed up at OJ's house and informed 173 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: the juice that Nicole and Ronald O dem thirty k 174 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: in cocaine money, and they asked Oj if he would 175 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: cover it. He said absolutely not. Him and the caller 176 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: separated for the last time, and then they asked, you 177 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: mind if we go to the koals try to get 178 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: the money out of her and maybe make Ronald work 179 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: at his restaurant to pass out the drugs to deal 180 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: with him there, and OJ said, I have no issue 181 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: with that, but no carm comes to the COLT. So 182 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: he went over there. Now that's funny. Well, OJ more 183 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: than likely followed them over there and saw some painus stuff, 184 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: so he probably stepped in. He could have stepped in. 185 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: The hell. Wait, is that what he told you or 186 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you extrap al Did he tell you that? No? No, 187 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: he didn't say he stepped in. He said he went 188 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: over there. Okay, you know what, never mind, never never mind, 189 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: never mind. Hold on. Jeffrey in your book says that 190 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: he told you two people know who commit the murders. A. C. 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: Collings and him. Okay, he said he and Collings knew 192 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: who did it. Hold on back to the lines, Kathy 193 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: and Madison. Hi, Kathy, thank you for calling. What's your question? 194 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: Very proud to talk to you. Nancy. The question I 195 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: had is why why are we even debating this? This 196 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: guy is a menace. He does not belonged back in society. 197 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: That's my feeling. He needs to be kept in jail. 198 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: You know what, Kathy, this is what I don't understand 199 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: how everybody is running with the fact that the parole 200 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: board can't look at the double murders. That's simply not true. Well, 201 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: whether he was an evidence of wrong do whether he 202 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: was acquitted of the murders or not, the guy's a problem. 203 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: He's got mental issues. He's a narcissist. He did not 204 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: care about what happened to his children when his wife's killed. 205 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at his past record. He's going 206 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: to do the same thing that he's been doing when 207 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: he gets back out. He's a menace to society. He 208 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: needs to stay behind. Kathy and Madison. Thank you for calling, 209 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: and I'm going to pass on your question right now 210 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: to forensic psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober. Everybody we are standing by. 211 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: It is now minutes before the parole board will file 212 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: in and this hearing will start. You know, if you 213 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: thought it was all over when he was acquitted wrongly 214 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: on the double murder man, it is not over. It 215 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: is far from over. Doctor Daniel Bober out of Florida. 216 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: Can you address Kathy in Wisconsin's issue. I do think 217 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: that Nancy, that this is a guy who chronically has 218 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: shown a complete disrespect for the law, for the rules 219 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: of society. I don't believe in any way shape or 220 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: form that he's sincerely changed. I believe that it's simply 221 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: a practical matter of him knowing that for him to 222 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: get out on parole that he has to keep as 223 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: quiet and lay as low as possible. So I don't 224 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: believe he's truly changed. I don't believe he has any remorse. 225 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I believe he has a complete sense of entitlement and 226 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: feels like he could do whatever he wants. So I 227 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: don't expect it he'll make any meaningful contribution to society whatsoever, 228 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: or be a productive citizen. I think he will continue 229 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: living his life exactly the way he did before, which 230 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: is feeling like he could do anything he wants without 231 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: hearing rules applying to what is called exactly doctor, it's 232 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: a combination of narcissism and sociopathy, which means that you 233 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: have no respect for the rules of society and you 234 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: feel no remorse and no compassion for people. It's all 235 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: about you, and that's that's og Simpson in a nutshell. 236 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: It's all about him. I agree, you keep him scail. 237 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just stunned still that people believe the 238 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: pro board cannot pay any attention to the double murders. 239 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to the line. Kathy and Wisconsin, 240 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: thank you for calling. We're all standing by right now 241 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: ready to hear what the pro board is going to do. 242 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: Straight out to o'calla, Florida, Carol, thank you for calling. Dear, 243 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: what do you think about AJ Simpson? Nancy, I've been 244 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: following you forever. You're awesome about OJ. He needs to 245 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: stay where he is. I think that he's I think 246 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: your last caller had it right on. There's a mental 247 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: issue with him, and he's the sociopath. He just thinks 248 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: that he can get away with whatever he wants to 249 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: get away with because he was a star before. And 250 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: to me, he asked, like he has a pompous attitude 251 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: so wild, I killed my wife and some guy who cares. 252 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: And to me, it's just all this parole board stuff 253 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: and the publicity is just really itching into the Burt 254 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: family and Nicole's family right now. And I think that 255 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: is the thing that we all really need to understand. 256 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: That they're probably praying that he don't see the light 257 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: of day because he's going to do the same things 258 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: that he's always done. Just like your left caller said, 259 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and like the psychologist said, I mean, what could he do? 260 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: What could he do when he get out? I'll tell 261 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: you what he can do. Everybody already has fingers. I'll 262 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: tell you what he can do. Same thing he's always done. 263 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Shack up with another Nicole Brown lookalike. Yeah, and that 264 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: lady he was dating after Nicole Brown. I thought he 265 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: was going to do her. And to be honest with you, Mike, 266 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: Lily thought so because she was she broke up with 267 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: him and all this stuff and started believing it eventually, 268 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: and I thought for sure she was going to be 269 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: the next one. I'm going to tell you. She said 270 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: she was afraid for her life and that based on 271 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: things Simpson had told her, she believed he committed double murder. Everybody, 272 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. I mean, see Grace, thank you 273 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: for being with us. We are on a court watch 274 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: a parole board. Watch right now? Is the minute's ticked down? 275 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: Where in the final hour before a Nevada parole board 276 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: files in And here's from OJ Simpson himself via video, 277 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: will they grant him parole? We will get the answer 278 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: to that today. According to sources, this amist claims that 279 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: OJ Simpson's whole parole board hearing is going to be 280 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: thrown off because Simpson was caught let me just say, 281 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: pleasing himself in his Nevada prison cell by a female 282 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: corrections officer. Yes, that's the nicest way I can put it. 283 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Will Simpson's parole be in jeopardy after he's caught pleasuring 284 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: himself in his cell? That's the bomb that just dropped. 285 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: July twenty second of Oxygen, The New Network for Crime. 286 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: My name is Kelly Sigler. I was a prosecutor for 287 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: over twenty years. From the creator of Law and Order 288 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: comes the hit TRU crime series call Justice. There's so 289 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: many cold kas out there that still need to be solved. 290 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Every Saturday following Kelly, she takes real cases from coal 291 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: to clothe. 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I want to go straight 299 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: to Art, Harris Art, you've heard the reports the former 300 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: football great caught pleasuring himself by a female corrections officer 301 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: who is making her normal rounds at Lovelock Correctional in Nevada. 302 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: He is facing disciplinary hearing after being written up. I'm 303 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: not really sure how that can be a violation. It 304 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: seemed as if to these reports, if they're true, this 305 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: occurred in June. What do you know about it, Well, 306 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Nan Sow. According to prison rules that if the officer 307 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: believes that his actions were quote intentional, this is something 308 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: that violates the Prisons quote Rape Elimination Act of two 309 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: thousand and three. It's a federal law dealing with sexual 310 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: assault of prisoners. How can that not be intentional? Well? Absolutely, 311 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're he having a dream of some sort, 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: another dream like the one about Nicole being murdered, that dream, 313 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: remember that one? Yeah, there you go. So this is 314 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: probably a question for the psychiatrist. But the officers, this 315 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: is a dilemma for you know, for the prison. But 316 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, it gives the parole board something quote hard 317 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: to hang on to if they want to hang their 318 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: hats on rejection. This could be the straw that breaks 319 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: OJ's quest for freedom. Now there are reports that this 320 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: is incorrect. It makes me wonder where the report came. 321 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: Because it's now all over the media. We are taking 322 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: your calls out to Mateo and Washington. Hi, Matteo, thank 323 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 1: you for calling. Hi. Nancy. I love you, I love 324 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: you and Dance with Stars, I love you. Whatever you do, 325 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: I love you, Matteo, thank you for that. You can 326 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: tell the defense for that. Hey, we all can't dance, 327 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: but at least you tried. You have children. He showed 328 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: me you could tried. You're a winner in my eyes. 329 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: I would like to remind you, Matteo, Matteo, Matteo, hold on, Matello, 330 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: let me remind you and your friends that I was 331 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: a feisty fan favorite and I did manage to make 332 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: it all the way to the second to the end 333 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: of the show and was in the coveted final five. Okay, 334 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: so that's my interpretation of what happened on Dancing with 335 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: the Stars. Okay, now go ahead. But your personality, Nancy, 336 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: that is in your personality you want have gone there 337 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: and kick you know what, and you don't even care 338 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: about the name. So that's what I love about you. 339 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: But you are fun to watch. I just want to 340 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: tell you, O, J. Simpson, what's going on? I just 341 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, if you had a choice 342 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: to put one of two people on the brother for death, 343 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: who to be Anthony? J. Simpson? Well, you know what, 344 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: that's a tough decision right there. That's a tough decision. 345 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: And also, nobody can single handedly send someone to the 346 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: death penalty. It takes a jury. And here's the balancing 347 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: in that. I'm going to go to you, doctor Daniel 348 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: bober and Todd mom casey Anthony the victim was so young, 349 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: so sweet, so in a child vulnerable. But also when 350 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: you look at Nicole and Ron, what life is more 351 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: valuable than another life? I mean, people have ask me 352 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: a lot of times, MATEO, what has been your favorite case? 353 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: They're not like a favorite dish or a favorite memory. 354 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: Cases involve a lot of heartache and a lot of 355 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: tragedy and a lot of suffering. And even if you 356 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: get a conviction, it's a very still For me, every 357 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: time I walked out of the courtroom, even if I 358 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: want a case, felt very sad. It was almost a relief, 359 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: not jubilant. It was like, Okay, he's off the street. Next. 360 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: So to pick a particular case I think is really 361 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: placing one victim above another victim. But I've got to 362 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: agree with you, mateo. Those are two of the most 363 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: notorious killers I have ever ever encountered. And again, as 364 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Felix keeps pointing out, author of Guarding the Jews, 365 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: he was acquitted by a criminal jury, as was Tott. Mom, 366 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he didn't do it, okay. In fact, 367 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: one of the Gerars has now spoken out that acquitted 368 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Simpson and says, now, well, now that I see the evidence, 369 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: I think he did do it. So you know that 370 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that means does not mean anything to me 371 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: because my analysis of the facts and evidence say he 372 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: did do it. I'm glad you're with me, Mattello. As 373 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: we're waiting for the parole board to file in. What 374 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: do you think, Matteo, they're gonna parole him or not? 375 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: Are they going to set them free? I think I 376 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: think they're going to, And I unfortunately feel like maybe 377 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: we should just I don't. I think we should let 378 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: up and just let him live in if he screws up, 379 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: he's done. But unfortunately, whose cost is going to be Mattello, 380 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in so Art, I'm going to 381 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: shift gears now. I want to go back to the 382 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: parole board hearing. Tell me how it's going to go down. 383 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I know it's a video thing, and right now we're 384 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: less than an hour away from the answer. Go ahead, Art, 385 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear if one of the victims of 386 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: that robbery, mister Bruce Furlong is going to testify. They 387 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: won't confirm it, but he has apparently forgiven oj supposedly, 388 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: so he may say, look, I didn't realize there was 389 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: going to be so much time attached to any conviction, 390 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: or I might not have pressed charges or wanted to. 391 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: But he's going to be evaluated, Nancy, as someone who 392 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: on a scale. They have a point system, and if 393 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: he's done a significant amount of time, he's sort of 394 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: in that category of someone and his age who does 395 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: qualify and may well get parole at four of seven commissioners. 396 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: He's got to win over at the parole hearing. And 397 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: on this point system they look at gang membership, drug 398 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: and alcohol abuse, age and they assess his eligibility and 399 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: each issue has a value of one to minus one 400 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: to plus two. They add him up and then they vote. So, 401 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, if the sexual tecadillo allegedly that has been 402 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: reported doesn't come in there, and there's discretion on the 403 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: part of the officer who supposedly caught him, the odds 404 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: are in his favor. If he's got a good argument 405 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: that he has not been in a lot of trouble. 406 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: He's apparently, he claims he's broke up fights, he's advised 407 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: these these young inmates on getting their life straight, and 408 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: he's he's a hero inside. So I'm sure he was 409 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: able to bask in that that egotism that he needs 410 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: so much, and the narcissism was indulged behind bars, you know, 411 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: the way the psychiatrists has explained. And how does he 412 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: justify this? Well, getting back to who did it? He 413 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: looked in the mirror and told the guard that only 414 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: he and ac knew. How does it jive with the 415 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: fact that he's still looking for the killer. If he 416 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: knows who did it, how why does he have to 417 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: look so Yeah, it's interesting. If he claims he knows 418 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: who did it, why didn't tell police? Why would Why 419 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: didn't that come out at the trial? I want to 420 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: go back to Jeffrey Felix on that author of guarding 421 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: the Jews. How OJ Simpson became my prison bff? How 422 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: did Simpson get so out of shape behind bars? Jeffrey, Well, 423 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: he likes eating cookies and a cake. Can I address 424 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: the pro board issue, Nancy real quick? Yeah? Okay, O. J. 425 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Simpson has been locked up for roughly nine years. He's 426 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: gone right up free. He's done all the programming the 427 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: pro board asked him to do and more. He's taken 428 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: all the education classics. He has gone above and beyond 429 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: being a role model inmate. Okay, he was a facilitator 430 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: out there. He stopped trouble before trouble started. He's had 431 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: the same job for eight years. The pro board will 432 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: grant him the prole It's almost a guarantee. The sexual 433 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: thing never happened. I spoken to prison officials that are 434 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: very high up. That never happened. It's not that OJ 435 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: is a menace to society and looks for problems. He 436 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: was laying down low doing his own thing, and he 437 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: got a call from a guy saying, Hey, they have 438 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: your stuff, OJ, let's go get it. He was set 439 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: up for that. Okay, hold on, wait a minute, Wait, 440 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, that was not O. J. 441 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: Simpson's stuff. Number one, that was not his quote stuff. 442 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: The victims have been clear about that, even to this day. 443 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: He looked at the judge and lied and said there 444 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: were family heirlooms. That is a lie. Number two, he 445 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: said he did not know anybody was armed. That is 446 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: a lie. They were brandishing guns. They burst into this 447 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: room where they were selling sports memorabilia, started screaming, nobody 448 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: leaves the room, nobody leaves the room, and put guns 449 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: in the victims' faces. Okay, that is an armed robbery 450 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: and a kidnapping. Well bam, okay, Well I don't know 451 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. When OJ saw them in the lobby, 452 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: the one guy came up to OJ and he said, 453 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: I have a gun And OJ said you have a license. 454 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: He said yes, OJ said don't. OJ told me. He 455 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: told him, don't take the gun out. We're knocking and 456 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: need it. Now. You gotta remember all these guys that 457 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: OJ was surrounding himself with. These guys aren't some of 458 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: your better citizens. We can all agree on that. I mean, 459 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: these guys changed their stories. So what's your point point is? 460 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: Is that this whole thing in Vegas. Was this a 461 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: way to get OJ that California couldn't do? You know, 462 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends that are attorneys in Vagua. 463 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: Oh so you're saying that the guys that were with 464 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: him were what working with the police to catch OJ Simpson? 465 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: And if I watched along with somebody pulls the gun, 466 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: I get the I get away. I don't want to 467 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: be with anybody pulling a gun. He pulled, They pulled 468 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: the gun and left with the stuff. How can I 469 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: even say Simpson did not know what happening? Is that 470 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: you aren't coming here? I was going I was going 471 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to interject that one of the stories that I learned 472 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: was that he was wondering and afraid. Maybe these guys 473 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: have guns themselves, I mean their memorability dealers. They have 474 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of cash, so I better be prepared. So 475 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: he surrounds himself with the goons. He's been out there 476 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: for a wedding, whether he's had a few drinks or not. 477 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, he thinks this is a great idea. He 478 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: may be impressionable by his you know, his fans. However, 479 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: OJ is OJ, and like the trial, we all know 480 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: he called the shots. He was the quarterback, and everyone 481 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: fawms over him and does his bidding. So, you know, 482 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: to say that it was bad guys around him, that 483 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: is really they're bad guys. Who do you think Simpson's 484 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: hanging around with doctor Daniel bober nuns and priests and 485 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: virgins and no, and another saying this is just absurd, 486 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: it's absurd. Yeah, it's crazy talk, This is absurd. Oj Oj, 487 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 1: It's all this is on OJ. OJ made a decision 488 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: to go up there. OJ is a common criminal. OJ 489 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: is a common criminal with a football jersey. But he's 490 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: still a criminal. He made the decision to go up 491 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: to that hotel room. He could have called the police, 492 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: he could have handled it in a civilized way. He 493 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: was the one who escalated the conflict and made the 494 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: decision to go up there with force. So you can't 495 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: take any responsibility away from him on that. That was 496 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: all on him, So to say otherwise, if you look 497 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: at it this way, Okay, what if it was anybody else, 498 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: anybody else other than OJ Simpson ad have got one 499 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: year of probation, maybe one year approbation. That is not true. 500 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: I tried armed robbery cases armed robbery and Kenneth oh no, sir, 501 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: h you're going to jail, and I put plenty of 502 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: people behind bars with the help of juries. When you 503 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: pull a gun on somebody, you're going to jail. Nobody 504 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: got straight probation with me. And you can't have it 505 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: both ways. OJ got sent to jail because he's famous, 506 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: and OJ got quinned because he's famous. No, and what 507 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: about the beatings of Nicole Brown? What about that? It's 508 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: like her life means nothing in this scenario. We're all 509 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: talking about Simpson, Simpson, Simpson, what about her? She was 510 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: a mother, for Pete's sake, with two little children to raise, 511 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: and she's dead and they have been raised without her 512 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: and him claiming some drug dealer did it bs B s. 513 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: If that were true, Johnny cochrane would have brought that 514 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: up at trial and that would have been the defense. No, 515 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: not one word was said about that. And Stepson didn't 516 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: have the backbone to take the stand. You know why, 517 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: because he would have been cut up, carved up like 518 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving turkey on cross exam and all this business. 519 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: No offense, Jeffrey Felix, because I enjoyed reading your book. 520 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: No offense, But to say he has been a model prisoner, 521 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: he should get out. That's like saying, you know, y'all, 522 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: let the devil out of hell because he filed his 523 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: taxes on time last year. You know what? No, well, no, okay, well, 524 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to the lines Patrick and Buffalo. What's your question, 525 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: dear I Nancy. It's a pleasure to meet you. I'm 526 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: actually seventeen years old, and you're a huge role model 527 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: for me. What you do for victims right, just amazing. 528 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. I would dislike to comment on Jeffrey's point 529 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: of view from the OJ Simpson I think he's an 530 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: evil man. I actually live in Buffalo and OJ used 531 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: to play football here in Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo wants 532 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: to see OJ still be locked up in jail. Also, 533 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: for the people out there that are saying OJ should 534 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: be off free, I believe that. Oh for the people 535 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: that are saying that he never even killed. Lady justice 536 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: isn't always right. I mean, I like to think lady 537 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: justice is always fair and balance. But there's people that 538 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: are in jail that never committed a crime, and there's 539 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: people that are walking around they committed a crime and 540 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: that are not in jail. So I don't think we 541 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: could just go off of, oh, he's a nice man, 542 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: he should be walking free. He's an you know art, 543 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, aren't you and I go way back? Okay, 544 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: you know how much I loved your sister Meg. But 545 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: for you to to to talk to me and argue 546 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: that he's been great behind bars, that that is not 547 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: worth the salt that goes in my bread, because I'm 548 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: saying I'm not arguing for him. I'm saying that is 549 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: to be argued, and that's what they will. They will, 550 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: they will possibly consider, But he is he is someone 551 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: who has harmed a lot of people. The pain and 552 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: suffering that the Goldman's have to live with with the 553 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: creditor as creditors of a thirty three men in dollar debt, 554 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: they have not collected much at all from him, and 555 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: no amount of money could could satisfy the heartache that 556 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: they have had to go through. To watch them in 557 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: that courtroom, Nancy and we were sitting close to them 558 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: when the verdict was read, the horror on their faces, 559 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: it was just heart wrenching. And so, okay, all right, 560 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: you've brought me to my senses. You are right those 561 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: even though I don't like to hear it, you're right, 562 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: that is what they're going to consider. We're taking your 563 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: calls straight to the lines. Linda from Melbourne, Florida high LANDA. 564 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: I guess you know where O. J. Simpson is headed. 565 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: If he does make parole, straight to Florida where no 566 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: income tax and they can't touch his house and so 567 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: forth and so on, he'll he'll haven't made the shade, right. 568 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: I guess he would probably anywhere he would he would. Yeah, 569 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: what do you think, Linda, Well, I think he will 570 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: get paroled, but I think it will be the biggest 571 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: injustice that ever happened to this country. He is a narcissist, 572 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: He thinks he's above the law. He is dangerous and 573 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: he will never change. You know what everybody keeps saying, Linda. 574 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: They keep saying the parole Board has to let him out. 575 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: That is not true. Their decision is discretionary. There is 576 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: no appeal and he's only done nine years of a 577 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: thirty three year sentence. Why should they let him out? No, 578 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: he should stay there at least at least so tell 579 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: me this aren't Why does it seem to be that 580 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: everyone is suggesting the media, specifically that the parole Board 581 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: has to let him out that's not true. Well, they 582 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: have they have their their guidelines and they can do 583 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: what they what they want, what they feel is right, Nancy. 584 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: But we do not have any oversight on them, and 585 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: we don't know what the victims' statements, how much they 586 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: will play, and how much the quote supposed forgiveness of 587 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: one of the robbed dealers will play if he forgives 588 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: OJ and has publicly if he's going to testify, what 589 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: will they do if suddenly something comes up. I mean, 590 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: they can hang the hat. It's like reasonable doubt, Nancy. 591 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: You know, the jury there was given so many options 592 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: of what they could pen you know, his innocence on 593 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that they just had to pick one or two. As 594 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: Tom Lang, a homicidetective said, you know, the defense just 595 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: through spaghetti in the wall and see what you know, 596 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: what stuck and the defense could the jury can pick 597 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: what they wanted, and they did because there was so 598 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: much bias and you know, the atmosphere around the trial 599 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: and the history UH and the jury selection. So this 600 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: was really a done deal from from the get go. 601 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: And now we don't know, we don't know what is 602 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: going on inside the minds of these borld board members 603 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: and so um. You know, they can justify one way 604 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: or the other, but you're right, they do not have 605 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: to let him go. If they feel that that evil 606 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: will will get a holiday here, well that's a good 607 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: way to put it. Evil will get a holiday. Susan 608 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: in Napa, California. Hi, Susan, thank you for calling. What's 609 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: your question? Dear, so long to talk to you. I'm 610 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: much so much. I love it, Ashley Banfield, but there's 611 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: only one Nancy Grace, and I hope some day you 612 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: come back to TV. My own feeling about it as yes, 613 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 1: he was guilty of the murders. He got away with murder, 614 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: just like Kasey Anthony. I believe for both trials, the 615 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: jurors after they heard all the evidence, after the trials 616 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: were finished, you know, may I believe they said they 617 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: may have voted, you know, for guilty in both verdicts 618 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: in both cases. I think they're going to let him out. 619 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: But I'm a special or was a special ed teacher 620 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: with at risk kids, had a lot of mental health training, 621 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: and I would go as far as to say he 622 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: has antisocial personality disorder, not sociopathic, but psychopathics. I'm glad 623 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: you said that, Susan. Number one, I want to thank 624 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: you for stick and buy me all these years when 625 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: I was on TV, on Court, TV and HL and 626 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: yes I am planning to come back to TV. Do 627 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: you remember all the way back when I had the 628 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: show with Johnny Cochrane. I mean, wow, God rest his 629 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: soul is what I can say about Johnny. And I 630 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: learned a lot about how he managed to win cases. 631 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: He was very charismatic, very charming, and likable. That's what 632 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: it was, Susan. He was likable. I want to talk 633 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: to him. You know that person that shows up at 634 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: the party and everybody wants to talk to him, That 635 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: that's him. That was Johnny. So I think the jury 636 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: liked him. They thought they knew Simpson. And with me 637 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: right now, is somebody that does know Simpson. Jeffrey Felix, 638 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: the author of Guarding the O J. Simpson became my 639 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: prison BF. So, Jeffrey, what is it about Simpson? What 640 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: is the charisma that makes people think like a war 641 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: around him? Like a positive or he's just a nice guy. 642 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: He respects everybody. He just gets along with people. He 643 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: doesn't talk down to people. He says he you know 644 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: what it introvert, an extrovert? Is he like a super extrovert. 645 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: He likes a lot of people, a lot of friends, 646 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: and I think people just think the worst of them. 647 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: You know, he more than likely he might have been 648 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: involved in the murders. I don't think he did the murders. 649 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: I think people just go overboard with this guy. I 650 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: think people just look, people need somebody to hate. Okay, 651 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Jeffrey, that is so not what 652 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: I asked you. Okay, because one jury said he did it. 653 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: Jurars off the first criminal trial are now saying they 654 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: think he did it. So you know that your story 655 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: or his story that he told you that drug dealers 656 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: came to him and that about Nicole and that he 657 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: knows who did the murder, well, you know what, that 658 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: makes zero sense because he should have used that at trial. 659 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: But that simply was never the defense. Well okay, if 660 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: that were true, why didn't he want to get the 661 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: people that killed Nicole and Ron? Why didn't he tell 662 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: police about it? Well, he wanted to what it was 663 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: it was? Why didn't he and Shappier, all of his 664 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: attorneys No, no, baby doll, no, no, no, don't you 665 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: remember that low speed chase. Yeah, he could have told 666 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: him right then. He could have told him the night 667 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: Nicole was killed, couldn't he before Cochrane was ever even 668 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: part of it. He was in shop cockran didn't you 669 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: come in? No, honey? He went and caught a plane 670 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 1: and tried to explain how he cut his hand. Yes, please, 671 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: do you know when we were covering this, I would 672 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: try to parse the truth from all the spin that 673 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: was being put out there. This was one of the 674 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: great impossible to prove rumors the defense had out there 675 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: that drug dealers had killed Nicole, And you know, cops 676 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: actually followed up on some of these, but there were 677 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: no solid leaves, Nancy. They could never chase us down 678 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: the rat hole that OJ has apparently led this prison 679 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: BFF guard down with him, and he's got willing ears. 680 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: Anybody who was not there, who didn't study the actual evidence, Nancy, 681 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: and did not know what happened to the trial, is 682 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: not really in a position to pontificate about whether OJ 683 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: is guilty or not. And I am just still stunned 684 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 1: that anybody in this earth who has studied the trial 685 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: considers that he did not kill these two people. You 686 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: mentioned something else Jeffrey, Let's say you said about the 687 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: dry deal. You said Simpson told you he cut his 688 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: hand playing golf. Yes, yes, I played golf. I've cut 689 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: my hand a futah really, But he told police he 690 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: cut his hands on a glass at the hotel when 691 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: he landed. I think it was at Chicago. That's what 692 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: he told police. And now he told you a different story. 693 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: I've never known a golf club to be a sharp utense. 694 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: But whatever you know, you're saying he is a nice guy, 695 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: which is they're here and her there. But when he 696 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: was confronted under oath in a deposition and shown the 697 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: photo of Nicole's bruised and swollen face, that's when he 698 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: pled guilty to beating her. Okay, And just a few 699 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: days before she was murdered, she called a battered women's 700 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: center in fear for her life just before she was murdered. 701 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: Yes she did, okay, But he was shown her photo 702 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: with her face all swollen up and bloody and bruised. 703 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: And do you know what he said under oath? Doctor 704 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist out of Florida, during the deposition, 705 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 1: Petrochelli quizzed him on these photographs, and he actually said 706 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: that he denied hitting her, and that what was on 707 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: her face was actually makeup, that she put the bruises 708 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: on her face with makeup, and that the photo reflected 709 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: quote doing a movie that we're doing and we're doing makeup. 710 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: That's what he said about the photo and the police 711 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: file of one of the times he beat her horribly. 712 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: So I just can't stand by and let people talk 713 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: about what a nice guy he is. But we'll help 714 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: me out. I mean, it's complete nonsense, really complete nonsense. 715 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: In that trial. There was a lot of a lot 716 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: of perjury going on. Mark Freman perjured himself. I mean 717 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: doesn't mean but that doesn't mean know you didn't do 718 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: it though, just because Mark Fremin perjured himself, well, Mark 719 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: Furman was also at the house when he was beating 720 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: the coal. Nancy responded to those calls, and they tried 721 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,240 Speaker 1: to make it look like he had an inform because 722 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: he knew the dirty little secrets of OJ. So, you know, 723 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: we really you got to look at the facts. Let 724 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: me ask you something right now that you said that 725 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: you reminded me of something that you would only know 726 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: about if you had been in the preliminary hearings leading 727 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: up to the trial hearing what would and would not 728 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: come into evidence? How many times did he beat her? 729 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: Do we have any idea? I don't. I just know 730 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: there were a number of calls into the West Precinct 731 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: of Lam about Oja beating her that she would call in. 732 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: And you know, this was a familiar domestic abuse domicile 733 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: as far as the police were concerned. And the Furman, 734 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: uh you know, knew about that. So um he knew 735 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: where OJ lives because they'd been there before. In response 736 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: to these calls, I think if you if you you know, 737 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: know that then and you go back and look at 738 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: I studied. I've interviewed people who sold OJ cocaine and 739 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: they did. He did a lot of it with Nicole, 740 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: but he did it with other people. And you know 741 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: he was blaming her for his drug usage, so you know, 742 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: he was in control of the whole show. As a 743 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: psychiatrist has said, as a narcissist, you know, he's the 744 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: one who who calls the shots, and that is that's OJ. 745 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: He know. I just don't know how trebober hold on. Doctor. 746 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Crystal in Athens, Ohio, how 747 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: a parole board could live with themselves while letting this 748 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: guy go. He's only done nine of thirty three year 749 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: sentence to Crystal Athens, Ohio. What do you think about 750 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,959 Speaker 1: the parole board? I mean, they're they're heading in right now. 751 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: What do you think about the Pearl board. I'm very 752 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: sad that this his murder issues is not going to 753 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: be considerated. And I'm also very sad that, you know, 754 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: he apparently is like, you know, a father figure in 755 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: prison and tells everybody, oh, you know, do the right thing. 756 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: You know, we have two people that lost their lives 757 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: and to this day, I mean, and it's no one's 758 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: fault really, but it's all about OJ. But we have 759 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: two people that lost our lives and their families that 760 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: are still reeling from this, and I just out, yeah. 761 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I take one look at those crime scene 762 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: photos of Nicole and Ron and I think about her children. 763 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: Now that I finally have children, I think about them 764 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: growing up without a mom Crystal, and it's it's heartbreaking 765 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: to me how the children carry that around every day. 766 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: The pro board hearing is starting in about four minutes 767 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: very quickly. Kevin and Clinton Arkansas's What's your question, Kevin, 768 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling. Oh hi, I just wanted to say 769 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't think O j O bee out. I'm with 770 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: you Kevin and Clinton Arkansas. Kevin, why do you say that? Well, 771 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: I just believe that he is guilty of those other crimes, 772 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: even though they doesn't have anything to do with this. 773 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: But I think he's a sociated path psychlopath. I tell 774 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: him what he might do, what he does, get out 775 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: again if he does. But I think I got to 776 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: keep the their delasavy in that way to be too 777 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: old to being I sure hope so. But I can 778 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: tell you this, Kevin and Clinton Arkansas. I remember prosecuting 779 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: a guy in Atlanta for a child molestation. He was 780 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: in his seventies by the time I got to hold him. 781 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have any problems putting him behind bars, but 782 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: he had been molesting people since his thirties that I 783 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,439 Speaker 1: knew of, and he was in his mid seventies. So 784 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: you know what it's like the devil, you know, they 785 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: never get too old to pull a crime, you know, Kevin, 786 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for calling in. And one another 787 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: thing you said, Kevin, I want to follow up on, 788 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: is you said the double murders had nothing to do 789 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: with this. See that's what everybody wants us to think. 790 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: But the parole Board is allowed to look at aggravating 791 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: circumstances and other bad acts. It doesn't have to be 792 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: a conviction. And a civil jury did convict him, did 793 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: find him responsible, so they can look at this. How 794 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: can you consider letting Joe Simpson walk free? Knowing what 795 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: you know? I mean, if they have any conscience at all, 796 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: they will keep him behind bars. As I said earlier, 797 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could hear me Kevin and Arkansas, 798 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: but it's just like saying, let's let the devil out 799 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: of hell because he filed his income taxes on time 800 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: the last nine years. Oh no, not on my watch. 801 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: We are heading to the Parole Board hearing. Go to 802 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: Crime Online to watch what happens. We are covering it, 803 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 1: streaming it everyone. Thank you for being with me. Nancy 804 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend. Stay tuned for 805 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: a special O. J. 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