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Speaker 1: From house stuff Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. This is Molly and I'm Kristin. Kristen. If

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Speaker 1: you could go anywhere in the world right now, whe

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Speaker 1: would you go? Oh? My god? And was prepared for this.

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Speaker 1: I'd go back to bed. Oh, Kristen, you're so cool. Ever, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking you on a special trip today via our

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Speaker 1: podcast to Norway. Can we fly first class? It's the

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Speaker 1: best for you, Kristin, only the best. And once we

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Speaker 1: get to Norway and other um parts of Scandinavian, the

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Speaker 1: Nordic and the Nordic countries, we will be treated first

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Speaker 1: class all the time, because apparently that area of the

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Speaker 1: world is just the top of the line when it

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Speaker 1: comes to gender equality. Yeah, supposedly, Norway, Sweden, denmorek these

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Speaker 1: are just the havens for women right there. These indexes

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Speaker 1: list of countries that have achieved equality, who have closed

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Speaker 1: all these all these factors we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: for instance, the World Economic Forum comes out every year

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Speaker 1: men and women comparatively in the nation. And uh, last year,

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Speaker 1: to find out what we're lacking. And some of the

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Speaker 1: factors that this index takes into account economic participation, educational attainment,

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Speaker 1: political empowerment, and health and survival. Now, Molly, before we

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Speaker 1: some emails saying hey, hey, girls, you need to look

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Speaker 1: But we are well aware that if you are talking

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