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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of Couch

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Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat,

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, and quick reminder up top that although

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Speaker 1: this podcast is hosted by a therapist and it's called

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Speaker 1: You Need Therapy, it does not serve as a replacement

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Speaker 1: or a substitute for actual mental health services, although my

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Speaker 1: hope is that it always helps the people that are

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Speaker 1: listening to it in one way or another, and usually

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Speaker 1: couch Talks is the episode where I answer questions that

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Speaker 1: you guys send to me, and you can send this

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Speaker 1: to Catherine at You Need Therapy podcast dot com. However,

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Speaker 1: today is going to be a little different because today

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Speaker 1: is a little weird for a couple of reasons. The

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Speaker 1: first one is really exciting. I actually got engaged on Saturday. Again,

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Speaker 1: very exciting. I wasn't expecting it at all, like at all.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked, and hopefully on an episode in the

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Speaker 1: near future I can talk more about that and share

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Speaker 1: with you what that was like and all the things

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Speaker 1: I will say. For now, planning a wedding is stressful

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Speaker 1: and I've only been engaged for like two days, and

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Speaker 1: it's so crazy how many people ask if you have

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Speaker 1: a date and a venue set the day after you

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Speaker 1: get engaged, which I guess for some people that's really normal,

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Speaker 1: because I keep hearing stories of people booking the venue

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Speaker 1: before they get engaged with us to each of their

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Speaker 1: own I wasn't going to do that, So anyway, I'm

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Speaker 1: still trying to remember that I'm even engaged because it

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Speaker 1: was such a shock, however, talking about all this, and

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Speaker 1: the reason I don't really want to share much about

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Speaker 1: that today is because it just feels weird talking about

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Speaker 1: something like that considering what happened yesterday in Nashville, and

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Speaker 1: if you have not heard, I would be very surprised.

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Speaker 1: But yesterday there well, Monday, today's Wednesday. Recording this on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: But on Monday there was a school of shooting at

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Speaker 1: a private Christian school in Nashville, and the shooter killed

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Speaker 1: six people, and three of them were third graders, nine

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Speaker 1: year old kids. And so things are just weird in

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Speaker 1: the city. Things I think were weird in this country.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the right words to say, and I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've been talking about this for hours

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Speaker 1: and I personally don't have any connections with the people

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Speaker 1: anybody at that school or that church, but good lord,

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Speaker 1: it is probably less than ten minutes away from my office.

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Speaker 1: It's like down the street. It's in a part of

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Speaker 1: Is just so weird that something like that happened in

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Speaker 1: our city while we're just going about our It's just

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Speaker 1: a weird experience. And so I'm not making a lot

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Speaker 1: answer a question today, and I'm not going to talk

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Speaker 1: about things that don't really feel that important right now.

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Speaker 1: They will feel important in the future, I know. But

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Speaker 1: what I will say is that I really wish, I

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Speaker 1: really wish, as a human being, not even as a therapist,

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Speaker 1: that in times like these, we were brought together more.

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Speaker 1: It seems like every time something like this happens, which

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Speaker 1: like this happens, because it happens a lot, but every

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Speaker 1: time a tragedy like this happens, we get more divided

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Speaker 1: we start defending ourselves and that just leads to no change,

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Speaker 1: and it leads to a lot of shouting into black

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Speaker 1: when it feels like it's not important if or it

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Speaker 1: And in preparation for the live show that I did

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Speaker 1: I was reading some old interviews and some old documents

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Speaker 1: always something we can do. I watched a infuriating interview

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Speaker 1: if it feels really small. And again, the reason I

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Speaker 1: me think of this old therapist. He was a brilliant

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Speaker 1: There's always some loss in grief and change. But things

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Speaker 1: Be kind to people, however they're showing up just because

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Speaker 1: or hateful behavior. Don't let those people change you. And

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