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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Today I am joined by Patrick Boyd. Patrick is the

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Speaker 1: co founder of National Custom Works and founder of Boyd,

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Speaker 1: Blade and Farrell. Besides making custom irons, Patrick is also

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Speaker 1: a golf course architecture addict and was the longtime GM

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Speaker 1: of Sweeten's Cove. This will be another two part podcasts,

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Speaker 1: with part two dropping on Tuesday. Enjoy it and I

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Speaker 1: wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: I miss a green for example. I'm already upset when

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Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 3: And when I find my ball in.

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Speaker 4: A bride egg, Frida egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg,

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Speaker 4: Frida egggg Frida Egg, bride egg, Lie.

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Speaker 1: I'm about ready to run off of the hup course. How

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Speaker 1: did you get into club making?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I got into club making. It was

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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and I, you know, I'd always

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Speaker 2: really been into golf clubs, and I just decided I

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Speaker 2: had some time on my hands. I found a guy

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Speaker 2: that had a custom shop that was pretty close to

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Speaker 2: where I was working. I was working in a law

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Speaker 2: firm at the time, and I wrote him an email

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Speaker 2: and just was really kind of interested in learning about

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Speaker 2: building clubs and everything else, and I just happened to

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Speaker 2: catch him at the right time. He'd been in business

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Speaker 2: for about a year, and he had all these shafts

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Speaker 2: that he'd pulled out of clubs, and I was basically

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Speaker 2: the back room bitch for this guy for like months.

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Speaker 2: And when I kind of got through everything, he kind

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Speaker 2: of taught me how to build clubs and how to

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Speaker 2: fit clubs, and I mean that was really kind of

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Speaker 2: my introduction to the golf of the golf equipment business.

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Speaker 2: I'm still in touch with the guy too. He was

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Speaker 2: he was a great mentor for me. His name is Leith,

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Speaker 2: Leith Anderson. He's in he's in Indiana. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was just, you know, it was one of those

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Speaker 2: moments in my life where it was, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: something I'd always kind of wanted to look at doing,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it was either you have this opportunity

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Speaker 2: now to do it. I was, you know, I was

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six at the time, and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know just kind of dove into it. You know it.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, it's been an interesting rabbit hole, to say

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Speaker 2: the least. But it's kind of taking me all over

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Speaker 2: the place living and and as far as just having different,

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Speaker 2: different hats and doing different things in golf. It's it's

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Speaker 2: been a really fun ride. And obviously, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing I'd really change about it. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: just kind of an auspicious start in the back room

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Speaker 2: of a custom club shop in Palo Alto, California.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. I uh, I grew up in on Wenesia

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Speaker 1: Club in Lake Forest. They always had a club maker

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Speaker 1: club fitter all the way back to like the old

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Speaker 1: they're famous. Guy was a Hubby hub John who is

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Speaker 1: who's finishing up. But but outside of that, it was

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Speaker 1: for a long time, I feel like the the mass

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Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent, I mean, and the timing was

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Speaker 2: really you know, this was like two thousand. It's like

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Speaker 2: like there's you know, like John Riley's in Monterey, and

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Speaker 2: you had you know, Henry Griffits kind of did a

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Speaker 2: they're you know kind of manufacturers had tried to have

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Speaker 2: but you know, manufact I just tried to have fitting

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Speaker 2: people for shafts and for specs and to really understand

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Speaker 2: what somebody needs. And I really kind of changed the

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Speaker 2: paradigm of how people bought golf equipment. But it was just,

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Speaker 2: But I mean this was this was a legit you know,

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Speaker 2: there weren't any clubs with shaft changing technology. You know,

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Speaker 2: Nakashima was the first company to have that, and that

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Speaker 2: And then all these all these connect systems really kind

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Speaker 2: hit a lot of different different shots and clubs to

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Speaker 1: But you know, it was fascin you know, the guy

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Speaker 1: I went to this guy a long time ago. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten fit. You know, he it was in high school.

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Speaker 1: I had to be in high school. He's doing this

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Speaker 1: Dennis Pine. I don't know if you recognize that name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dennis is like I know Dennis.

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Speaker 5: He had he was part of Club Champion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew him before he was part of Clubs Champion,

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Speaker 2: so that there they were there were Yeah, I know Dennis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so like that. That's so I was. I got

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Speaker 1: I went to his garage of his house when I

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Speaker 1: became Club Champion and he had an offshoot. But it's

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Speaker 1: just crazy how this boom has happened with custom clubs

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you're on the all the way

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Speaker 1: on that one end of the spectrum now with National

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Speaker 1: Custom Works, where you're doing you know, the custom irons,

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Speaker 1: which I think adds a whole nother layer and interesting

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I mean we're taking you know, we're

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Speaker 2: taking all that information that somebody is going to really

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Speaker 2: the specs that they really need, and we can really

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Speaker 2: with their specific tendencies, their preferences, and the conditions that

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Speaker 2: somebody for irons and wedges is just figuring out exactly

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's com sorry good.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a gearhead at all, so you know, for

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Speaker 1: all the listeners I am, I'm out over my skis

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Speaker 1: here talking with this. So I'm going to ask a

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Speaker 1: We are going, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about all

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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. But I'm interested in club, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping to get a little more of a baseline.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of I get fit, I put them in

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Speaker 1: my bag, I forget about it. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: about new clubs. I refuse to hit people's clubs because

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to try it. But I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: So with getting all this is this fitting, you know,

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Speaker 1: and in having the different souls and how much of

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Speaker 1: an impact, like does that can that have on play?

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Speaker 1: On like your play?

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Speaker 2: It's pretty I mean it, First of all, it depends

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Speaker 1: Like a baseline fit, So you've got the shaft that.

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Speaker 2: Baseline fitting that you just went through to figure out

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Speaker 2: all these details of your shaft, your length, and your

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Speaker 2: life's not taking into account the bottom of the golf club.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know other than us, And you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a couple other wedge manufacturers that offer some custom wedges.

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Speaker 2: You know, we really kind of look at golf clubs

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Speaker 2: a little bit differently, you know, And and the larger

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Speaker 2: manufacturers when they're making golf clubs, they're targeting a market segment.

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Speaker 2: They're they're trying to make a golf club that casts

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Speaker 2: a wide net as far as the number of people

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's all these little subsets. But the way

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Speaker 2: And they they all are kind of interesting too when

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Speaker 2: because every manufacturer kind of has a tendency to how

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Speaker 2: you know, we talk about that tendency. What's going on

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Speaker 2: with with what you're playing right now, is it is

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Speaker 2: it going to the ground too much? So are you

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Speaker 2: hitting everything thin, what's what do your divots look like,

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Speaker 2: what's you know, what's really kind of going on, and

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Speaker 2: really look at it from from that perspective, and then

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Speaker 2: take into account what they're playing with. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: say I get a guy that tells me he's missing

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Speaker 2: everything thin, Well, automatically, I'm not going to think that

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Speaker 2: at what clubs he's playing. If he's you know, if

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Speaker 2: he's got an iron that has a lot of bounce,

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Speaker 2: I can understand right away why he thinks he's a sweeper.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, leading edges too high, the club's not

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Speaker 2: know vice versa. You get a guy that you know

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Speaker 2: the clubs he's playing don't have any bounce or camber,

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Speaker 2: thinks he's really steep and he's really not. It's you know,

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Speaker 2: engineer it to go far. And that was, you know,

434
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: really been the last oh the last ten years or

435
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: so really with irons that you've seen that, but.

436
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: It's that's the thing to me with irons is that

437
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: people market how far they hit it, But like the

438
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: point of iron is to hit it close.

439
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 2: Right, I mean that's I mean one hundred percent. I

440
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, to me like that that you know, what

441
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: defines a good set of irons is, you know, consistent.

442
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 2: They do the same thing every time they you know,

443
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: you know, even if you miss it, it's going to

444
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: do the same thing every time. Consistency is that's you know,

445
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: that to me is the name of the game? Cares

446
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: what club you hit? If you can hit at the

447
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: same distance every time, I'm sure you wouldn't really care either.

448
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: So so I got a question for you. Yeah, I

449
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: think about this. My cousin carries a uh still carries

450
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: his fat shaft five five? Would where does where's the

451
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: fat shaft rank? And in terms of maybe worst innovation

452
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: ideas of all.

453
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: Time, it certainly wasn't a great one. I mean it's

454
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: just the whole, the whole, the whole, Like the whole

455
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: premise with those was like they're just so thick they

456
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: don't tork. It was like just supposed to be just

457
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: you know, but certainly not a great Yeah, certainly not

458
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 2: a great one.

459
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: It's so funny. He brings it out and he never

460
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: hits it. He carries it. I don't know why he

461
00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: carries it.

462
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: Have you hit it? Have you like taken it out

463
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: of his bag and hit it?

464
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fun Yeah, the funniest thing is

465
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: swinging it. When you're practice swinging and hearing the.

466
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like swingy Hickory. You almost get's like

467
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: almost like a similar like auditory deal with that. But

468
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, kind of going back to what, you know,

469
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: what what we were talking about. You know. The thing

470
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: too that that's fascinating to me right now is I've

471
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: been around golf a long time and and just lately

472
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: like just how much interest there there is in playing

473
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Speaker 2: with older equipment. You know, like ten years ago or

474
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: so was just kind of a funny novelty. But I

475
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: mean there's guys that are really into it, and it's

476
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think I know you've been playing

477
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: with that that driver, that.

478
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: Uh golf driver man.

479
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jeremy the driver that Jerryman gave you. I mean,

480
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: how's that? I mean, how has that been for you?

481
00:23:59,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: Has that been like?

482
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: Because I mean I I had a pretty I had

483
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: I had about like two.

484
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Thousand and eight to twenty thirteen. I could not hit

485
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: a four hundred and sixty cc driver, and I gave

486
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: up trying and I played precison. I played per Simmon

487
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: pretty much all the time like for that, and it

488
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: like gave me like this, I don't know, gave me

489
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: a deeper understanding for architecture playing with that stuff, because

490
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: you really did have to hit good t shots because

491
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: you know that twenty five thirty yards of carry distance

492
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: that you're losing with that really puts a premium on

493
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: hitting at the right planting in the right place, and

494
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the bunkers and details that you

495
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: weren't thinking of with the metal driver are like, oh,

496
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: like it's just it's a different it's just like a

497
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: different deal. Yeah.

498
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Speaker 1: So it's been It's been awesome. I love it. I

499
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: think like what I've found that's been fascinating is is

500
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: like stuff that I never would even see with like

501
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: when I'm when I've got my regular equipment, like my

502
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, if I was I don't even see these

503
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: bunkers and you know. It was eye opening. Is if

504
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: you can pair it with like the older golf equipment,

505
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: it's even like it's crazy. I mean when you're hitting

506
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: like two twenty five drives and you're accustomed to hitting

507
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: at three hundred, it's it's insane. You the appreciation you

508
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: have for the game. Like I played National Golf Links

509
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: with with a Hickory and a Ballata ball and it

510
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: was the maxifly ht actually, and it.

511
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: Was were you playing when you're playing your gamer irons

512
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: or what.

513
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 5: Iron gamer irons, But like the ball, you're still losing it.

514
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: You're still losing at least a club.

515
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's like it was like twenty five yards. Yeah,

516
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean like the the way and then when you're

517
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: hitting into the wind, it's just a whole different game.

518
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: It's it's just.

519
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: Because the ball because the ball spun had those ball

520
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: spin like.

521
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 3: It's like a wall.

522
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you hit you yeah, it's it's it's

523
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: it's very it's very very different playing with that stuff.

524
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's been an interest I play. I play

525
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: that Hickory driver with a regular ball and it's like

526
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: forty yards if I go back with the Ballatta it's

527
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: like eighty seventy five yards. It's just a and it

528
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: breaks makes the architecture so much more, you know, fascinating

529
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: because like what I think is I was talking with

530
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: somebody today about this. Is it like you just can't

531
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: overpower a golf course. You have to have the full

532
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: array of skills, which to me.

533
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Speaker 2: Is it's just that's how it was, and that's how

534
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: it was. You know, one hundred years ago you had

535
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: to have a full you had to have everything to

536
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: play good golf. Yeah, and with everything now, I mean,

537
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: the game is just I mean, you know, it's you know,

538
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: I was kind of going on with you on Twitter

539
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: the other day. It's just like it's so glaringly one dimensional.

540
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: I think I had this awakening.

541
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Speaker 1: I had this awakening. I was playing the State Am

542
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: two years ago. It was a twenty seventeen Illinois State

543
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: Am and we're playing a sixty seven hundred yard course

544
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: that's a par seventy, and like I'm midway through my

545
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: second round and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, God,

546
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: like I haven't hit more than a nine iron into

547
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: a green, Like what is what is going on? You know?

548
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Like what like this is not the game that I

549
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: grew up playing.

550
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, the game you grew up playing. You

551
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: use your whole bag, yeah.

552
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, and it's it's frustrating for like I think,

553
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: like where I get frustrated and this is all like

554
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest problems with with golf

555
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: is people have a hard time removing their personal bias.

556
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: And like one of the things I've done well in

557
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: golf is like long iron play, and it's so insignificant.

558
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I'm the sign of the same boat man.

559
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: My long irons used to be my favorite. You know,

560
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: there's still my favorite clubs. They were like weapons, but

561
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: now there's like whatever, like.

562
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: You see it as Sweeten's Cove, Like Sweeten's Cove is

563
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: a good example, Like it's such an awesome course because

564
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: of the way, you know, the birdie and triple bogie's

565
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: always in play. But like the thing that happens is

566
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: like with the way the ball is in the clubs,

567
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: like you could you get wedges into a lot of

568
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: those greens. And there's very rarely a long iron unless

569
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: it's a second shot into par five.

570
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on how you play it. I

571
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: mean I actually hit a lot of long irons out

572
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: there off the tee. Uh huh, I mean there's I

573
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: kind of I don't know, man, I'm an idiot.

574
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: I played that driver everywhere.

575
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: Huh.

576
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: I hit driver everywhere.

577
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm I just like I you know, I

578
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: hit driver out there. I hit driver on three, I

579
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: hit driver on six, and that's usually about it. If

580
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: I'm feeling really good and the ball's going I all

581
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: hit driver on one. I mean, I don't even think

582
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: about it. On five, I don't think about it. On seven, eight.

583
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: I kind of have a spot that I really like

584
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: on the right side. That's you know, drivers a little.

585
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't need to kind of overkill I could. The

586
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: way I play that golf course, I hit a lot

587
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: lot of three four five irons and spots, you know,

588
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: three irons a club in my hand walking up to

589
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: seven te box. But I mean that's you know, that's

590
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: the fun thing about Sweden. Excuse me, that is the

591
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: fun thing about Sweden's is there's so many different ways

592
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: to play. I've I played the golf course with Rob.

593
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even tell you how many times.

594
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: And I always laugh because like we go up to

595
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: we walk up to the t. He's got a driver

596
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: in his hand. It's like, dude, can I just like

597
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: play one round with you where I just have you

598
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: hit in spots because Rob's Rob's got some game and

599
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: he just always he just brings a big number and

600
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: play like just it's just automatic. He's got driver in

601
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: his hands. But I mean that's you know, it's funny

602
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: that golf course. Man, If I.

603
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Play competitively, I play, I hit I just three iron

604
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: to death courses. But if I'm not playing pintively, I

605
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: just I hit driver everywhere because like I'm like whatever.

606
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, listeners that don't know you, you've gained quite

607
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: the Internet fame because of your role at Sweeten's Cove

608
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: and you've been you were the GM there for a

609
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: number a number of years. How did you get how

610
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: did you even find Sweeten's Cove? How how did you

611
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: get there?

612
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know about fame.

613
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Man, Your vavimans precede you.

614
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: You have the vave clouds that are actually on the

615
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: ballpark blueprint. I'm talking to Tom that did that. He's like, yeah, man,

616
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: look like there's a cloud on the edge of the

617
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: deck on the blueprint. I'm like, dude, come on, you

618
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: look really close and they're actually as a cloud. But anyway,

619
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: so the first time I saw Sweetens was November. I

620
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: think it was November fifth of twenty and thirteen. You know,

621
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: I had a business called Scratch Golf with my partner.

622
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Ari's one of my partners in National Custom Works. But

623
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: we had Scratch Golf and we were in we were

624
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and we'd moved the business here from

625
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: Eugene in two thousand and nine, and we we'd moved

626
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: everything up to Michigan in twenty thirteen. I'd moved up

627
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: there August of that year, and I was down here

628
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: to get my wife to move her up there. And

629
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: we we'd driven the day before out to out to

630
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: uh out here to see her and just my friend

631
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: Ari is like one of the greatest golf degenerates that

632
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: I know. The So the night before we're getting ready

633
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: to leave, he's like, where do you want to play

634
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: on the way down, and I list off a couple

635
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: of places I thought might be fun to stop. I think, Camargo,

636
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember where else. I mean, this is

637
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember where else. I was saying we

638
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: could stop and he's like, uh, ay man, let's go

639
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: play Oakmont. All right, well let's nowhere near on the wave,

640
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: but all right, cool, so we go. We played.

641
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: So we leave, We leave Detroit at like four in

642
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: the morning.

643
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: We drive to Pittsburgh. We play Oakmont, We get in

644
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: the car and we drive from Pittsburgh straight to Chattanooga.

645
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: And the next morning we've got we've got a meeting

646
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: with Rob and the superintendent. It looked at my on

647
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: golf Club at the time of a guy named Mark Stillwall,

648
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: who's who Me and Ari were still good friends with Mark,

649
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: and he, uh, he was the one that was going

650
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: on and on about it.

651
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: We've we've seen pictures and stuff.

652
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: On on g C, a of of of Sweetens as

653
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: it was kind of coming together, and kind of knew

654
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: kind of knew it was out there, but we hadn't

655
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, hadn't really gone out there and checked it out.

656
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: At that point. It was still you know, still kind

657
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: of in the early stages. Well, I mean this is

658
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: when I saw it on GCA. It was well anyway,

659
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: So so Mark really got us in touch with Rob

660
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: and we met Rob. We were robing that the next

661
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: morning at Sweeten's and I'll never forget it, man, I'll

662
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: never forget pulling up in this van and there's this

663
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: golf course just spread out and it's mostly finished. I

664
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: think the first time I saw it, it probably hadn't

665
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: seen a mower for about at least four or five months.

666
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: There was sand and probably fifty sixty percent of the bunkers,

667
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: but it was, you know, it was at a point

668
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: where if nothing happened, that was pretty much going to

669
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: be going to be it. And we walked the golf

670
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: course with Rob, and we didn't the.

671
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: First time we walked it.

672
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: We didn't bring our co We just went out there

673
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: walking with Rob and his two dogs, and we're just

674
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: kind of going on and talking, talking with Rob as

675
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: we're kind of noticing and seeing all these things. And

676
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: that the fascinating thing to me was was talking to

677
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Rob and really kind of picking his brain about the

678
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: golf courses that he'd seen and what his influences were,

679
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: and other than going overseas and seeing some golf in Scotland,

680
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: he really hadn't seen that much golf in the US

681
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: at that point. He's seen quite a bit more since then,

682
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: but you know, he really hadn't seen very much, and

683
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: in front of us were all these really cool little

684
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: details and strategic elements that you know, we've both seen

685
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: at other courses, and it's just just the way everything

686
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: was arranged and put together was just really interesting. And

687
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: here's here's a here's a person that's seen pictures of

688
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: you know, seeing pictures of this hazard, seeing you know,

689
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: seeing Tenant PV, seeing the Devil's asshole. You know, just

690
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: just how everything was arranged with just you know, just

691
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 2: kind of his instincts and his creativity, and it just,

692
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: you know, I was just really really impressed with the

693
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: golf course. And we got done walking around it, and

694
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: I still have I still have all these pictures the

695
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: first time I saw it that I still look at

696
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: once in a while. And we get done and he

697
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: just kind of looks at it and he says, y'all

698
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: want to go play? And we and we are like, hell, yeah,

699
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: we want to go play. So we grab our clubs

700
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: and we run out, and I think we played. I

701
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: think we we looped at I think we looped at

702
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: three times, and we forgot about the time change and

703
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: he had to he had to fly out, and I

704
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: had to drive back then we've like I think we're

705
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: on like three or four, and we just like realized, crap,

706
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here, and you know,

707
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 2: we kind of left and just you know, the whole

708
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: way home, we were just talking about the golf course,

709
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: and he and Rob got really he got involved with

710
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: the project in Rob as far as getting getting the

711
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: lease of the golf course going. They were able to

712
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: secure a lease on the course. It's like March I

713
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: think of two thousand and fourteen, and then I was

714
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: up in Michigan, and and then my wife didn't really

715
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: want to live in Michigan anymore, so I moved her

716
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: down here in July of fourteen. I moved down here

717
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: in October of fourteen, just just the beginning of the month,

718
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: just before the golf course opened, and I came out

719
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: for opening day, and Ron Whitten was there, Adam Lawrence

720
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: was there, there were a few other folks that were there.

721
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: Rob's partner, Tad came out and we played the golf

722
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: course and just, I mean, dude, it was so it

723
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: was so tight. I still laugh at how I mean, dude,

724
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: like opening day it was. It was so good. But

725
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: I digress. But what had happened at that point was

726
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: they'd gotten the golf course finished, they gotten the golf

727
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: course open, and they ran out of money. And I

728
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: mean basically closing day they was the well was dry

729
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: and that was it. So the people that had you know,

730
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: really you know, helped get the golf course ready to

731
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: go and ready to get open. That was pretty much it.

732
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: And Rob called me, I think the next day after

733
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: after that, and he, uh he said, well, uh, well,

734
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what you got going on, but I

735
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: need somebody out to run the golf course. And you know,

736
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: would you be interested in would you be interested in

737
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: coming out and keeping an eye on it and you know,

738
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: and being the manager. And I said sure. So that's

739
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: kind of how everything started. And you know, the next

740
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: day I was out there and we started off. We

741
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: had a we actually we had a tent. It was

742
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: up above uh there's a power poll up above the

743
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: back to you on one. We had a ten up

744
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: there for about two or three weeks and it blew

745
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 2: away and then we got the shed. And that first winter,

746
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: that first winter I was out there. It was it

747
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: was me and Rob and we were you know, I

748
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: was sitting up there and he was out on the

749
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: sand throw he was out doing maintenance stuff, and it

750
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: was it was a two of us, and it was like, man,

751
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: what you know, how's this, How's this going to work out?

752
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: How's this going to go down? So we, uh, you know,

753
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: we just kind of sat around that winter and came

754
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: up with some ideas and got the golf course opened.

755
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: And you know, the first year wasn't you know, we

756
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: didn't kill I wouldn't say we killed it our first year,

757
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: but you know, started to get some notoriety and people

758
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: started to come out, and then you know, the following year,

759
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: it just did it really did a really snowballed, you know,

760
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: as far as how that place kind of was released

761
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: into the wild. It it just kind of really snowballed.

762
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: We we tried initially when we got everything started, we

763
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: tried some pretty traditional advertising and marketing stuff. We did.

764
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: We did some print ads, we did some radio stuff,

765
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: and we even we did some TV ads. I think

766
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: I think we did those in twenty sixteen. We did

767
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: those around the majors, but really kind of where we

768
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: where we saw the best. And you know, obviously the

769
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: most organic, you know, growth of the golf course was

770
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: through social media through Instagram, through Twitter, and just it's

771
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: just it's just a it's just a new world. Man.

772
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable how things how things grow these days

773
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: that you know twenty thirty years ago, you don't you

774
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: don't know what would happen.

775
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: It's just That's how I found out about the course

776
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: was a buddy of mine had seen the Instagram page.

777
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Who you know this guy had This guy worked at

778
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: for a golf management company and he ran their social media.

779
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: So he was like so in tune and he had

780
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: seen the pictures and it was you know, and then

781
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I looked at him, I'm like, oh, man, I got

782
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: to get out of here. This place looks unbelievable.

783
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: The best for the phone calls that we used to

784
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: get because we we had, like, know, the pictures we

785
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: had on our website. Man, I get people who would

786
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: call and they literally like questioned me about the pictures

787
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: on the website and if they were real or not.

788
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: It was like, Oh, there's there's no way, y'all. Exis

789
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: you're in rural Tennessee and you've got Broomsedge and your

790
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: golf course looks like that like it actually does, and.

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: That that was like probably to me.

792
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: I was out there. So I was at Sweden's from

793
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: two thousand, middle of October twenty fourteen up until the

794
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: beginning of October this October, and we hired we hired

795
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Nash out there. The thing that never got old Andy

796
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: was watching people on their first time out there. You

797
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: pull up to this parking area, there's a shed, and

798
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: right in front of you is this gem and just

799
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: the look people would get on their f it's just

800
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: like almost disbelief. And you know, you know, I don't

801
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: know if you've you've you've met John Al, You've met

802
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: midtown Chico.

803
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think so.

804
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: So he's he's been a regular at the golf course

805
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: kind of since since it opened, and he for years

806
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: would just like he would just love bringing people out

807
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: there they've never seen it before. And just almost every

808
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 2: time i'd see his car pull up, I just keep

809
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: an eye on the guys getting out of the car

810
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: and they just like sit there, put their hands on

811
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: there on their sides and just kind of sit there

812
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: with their mouths open. But uh, you know, it's just

813
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: it's just unbelievable though, going back, you know, going back

814
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: to it just unbelievable to me watching that place really grow,

815
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, from just a you know, just a seed

816
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: to kind of you know, where it is now and

817
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: the and the golf twitter Attie. It's it's you know,

818
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: maybe one of the more fulfilling things I guess in

819
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: my life is is is you know, really watching that

820
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: grow and being a part of it. And you know,

821
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: I look at it a lot now where I think,

822
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: you know, four years ago kind of where this where

823
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: all that's really started. I had a I had a

824
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: tremendous around of a belief in the golf course, and

825
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: I had a lot of belief in rob and it

826
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: it it just, I don't know, it made it an

827
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: interesting proposition to get involved with the golf course when

828
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: I did, and obviously it really wasn't my plan when

829
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: I moved back here from Michigan. It was, you know,

830
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: I I was doing some stuff for Scratch and this

831
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: just kind of happened. And you know, it's it's hard,

832
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: it's hard kind of moving away from that and just

833
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: being a part of it. But I have a soon

834
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: to be three year old at home, and you know,

835
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: the last four years of a lot of hours of.

836
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: Work, lots of time in that show, lots of.

837
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: Time in that shed, and it's just, you know, it

838
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: was just it was just time to time to spend

839
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: you know, time to spend some time at home. And

840
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still involved with the golf course. I

841
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: talked to Rob still like every day, and I mean,

842
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm still involved. It's just I can't. I just can't

843
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: live in that shed anymore. I mean there were some

844
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: great times, man. I mean almost every day someone would

845
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: come up and ask me, Hey, man, like, how often

846
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: do you go out and play? I'm like, could you

847
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: sit up here all day and not go play?

848
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Seriously.

849
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: But the same time, the funny thing is that there's

850
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: guys in the golf industry that they do exactly that

851
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: they look at a golf course all day and when

852
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: they're off, they go home. I mean, it's.

853
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's it's nuts. I walk a lot

854
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: of golf courses, you know, but every time I'm walking one,

855
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: I have the itch to play. But when I walk

856
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: them is like when I don't have the time to play,

857
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, Like if I have to go see three

858
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: in a day, I'll walk them, you know.

859
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: But it's just you gotta get it.

860
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: Maybe get into that speed golf stuff. Man, start start

861
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: working on your running. Maybe that's maybe that's the solution

862
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: for you.

863
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I need to do that, you know, I need to

864
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: start running more. They've been just living this blog life

865
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: you can't like And the thing.

866
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: The thing too, is you can't jump in a car.

867
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you just I mean you're just not going

868
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: to really see You're not gonna see a golf court

869
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: jumping in a cart. Yeah, you don't, You just you

870
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: really don't. I mean, that's you got to feel it.

871
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: You got to walk it.

872
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, that's really where you learn

873
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: a place is just you know, on foot, you're you're

874
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: a base level seeing what's going on. You're not you know, yeah, yeah,

875
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: you're right. I like, you know, if I'm trying to

876
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: like binge, if I'm trying to play fifty four seventy

877
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: two ninety, you know, one hundred and eight in a day, whatever,

878
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: cart's cool, But like otherwise, man, i I'd much rather,

879
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: I'd much rather just walk because you just you've just

880
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: learned so much more about the golf course walking.

881
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: That's how you look around and you just you you're

882
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: thirty yards off of tee and you might see something

883
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: on another hole that you're just like, oh.

884
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: When would you ever have that? When would you ever

885
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: have that glimpse of the cart? That wouldn't you never?

886
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't eat you can't you play better?

887
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you play better too.

888
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: I just to immediate least, like you just you know,

889
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: you're walking in between shots, you're thinking about what's now,

890
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: You're just I.

891
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 5: Don't know, you're in a rhythm to me, just you

892
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 5: are you getting?

893
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: You get in a much better flow when you're walking.

894
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: I also, I believe that four walkers is faster than

895
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: four and two cars. That is a belief that I

896
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: will go to the grave with.

897
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't you know, from running a golf course for

898
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: four years, I wouldn't argue with you. I mean, especially

899
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: if we're talking about if we're talking about better players

900
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: and guys that are playing ready golf, and absolutely yeah,

901
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean obviously you get you know, you get those

902
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: that foursome walking once in a while that you know,

903
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: like they walk in a group together up the fairway.

904
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: You know, it's just kind of like you know, to me,

905
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: it's like a good force and is like okay, you

906
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: hit your T ball you scattered, You meet up on

907
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: the green and you for a second before you go

908
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: hit your next team.

909
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: All that's it.

910
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: I played.

911
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: I played. I played a fivesome on a Monday this

912
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: year with a bunch of guys that get it. We

913
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: walked and we played in two and a half hours.

914
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: You can do it, Baron, Yeah, it's it's you can

915
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: do it.

916
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: It's people were just hitting it at will.

917
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: But you know, the crazy that the the other thing,

918
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: the craziest thing that I've seen, the craziest thing that

919
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 4: I've seen, like in golf this year was so so.

920
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: Tyson Lamb came out like and it came out to

921
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: Swedens in August and he brought He brought like seventeen dudes.

922
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: They were like eighteen of them all together. These guys

923
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 2: banded together.

924
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Eighteen of them and they went out and they played

925
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: all kinds.

926
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: Of these games and dude, they were getting around in

927
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: an hour and a half pretty consistently. I went out

928
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: like one to nine with them, and I kid you not,

929
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: there was a threesome and there was a threesome that

930
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: slowed us up.

931
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: I mean it was, it was the craziest.

932
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. It was

933
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: so much fun because they would go out and they'd

934
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: play like, you know, they'd play two man scrambled, they

935
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: played cards scrambled. It was just did it was. It

936
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: was crazy. But that's like the furthest that's the furthest

937
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: thing from what we're talking about.

938
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, something the craziest that this.

939
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: Year, something that I think is crazy about Sweetens is that,

940
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: like the it seems like the majority of the business

941
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: at Sweetens is from out of towners. And it's like,

942
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: how is it a destination now? A destination nine hole

943
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: golf course? How does that work?

944
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: I think it does. You know, it's just like the

945
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: fascinating thing is so you know, we're the golf course

946
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: is about depending on where you are on Chattanooga, it's

947
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: anywhere from about a half hour to about forty five

948
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: minute drive out there. We're about an hour and a

949
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: half from Nashville, and at least half of the traffic

950
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: that goes out to Sweden's Code is from Nashville and

951
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: surrounding areas. There's more people from there that come out

952
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: there than Chattanooga. I don't know, man, it's it's a

953
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: really I've lived all over the country and it's just

954
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: it's just kind of a different place for golf and

955
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: just it's just a different it's just a it's just

956
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: just a different deal. And the thing that.

957
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 3: So so, like I say, probably about half half of.

958
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: More come from nash Will, maybe twenty percent come from Chattanooga,

959
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: and like immediately local, not a lot of not a

960
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: lot of immediately local. And the rest are coming from Atlanta,

961
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: they're coming from Knoxville, and they're coming from out of state,

962
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: some of them from way out of state. The thing

963
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: that like last winter, like the phone rang a lot,

964
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: and it was guys up in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin

965
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: looking for a break from the snow. And there were

966
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that drove that would literally drive down,

967
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: spend a spend a day just killing themselves playing and

968
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: would go back to work or whatever they had to

969
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: go back to work for.

970
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: Butch is crazy for for you know, for a nine

971
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: for a nine o golf corn.

972
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: That's is crazy, that.

973
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: Place, dude.

974
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's I feel dirty just calling it a nine

975
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: hole golf course because I think that place really transcends

976
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: how you think of a number of holes, because I mean,

977
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: like the nuts and bolts of it. We actually down

978
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: one day and we wrote, we wrote everything out, and

979
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: there's like there's like seventy eight holes out there that

980
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 2: we play.

981
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it so like why I was sitting at

982
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: the ring or talking with a buddy of mine from

983
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: New York, and I was like, and I live in Chicago,

984
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: and I was thinking to myself, like, if this place

985
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: was within an hour of Chicago, it'd be impossible to

986
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: tea time.

987
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we would. We'd like, we could charge one

988
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for it all day and guys would you know,

989
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: guys would be happy.

990
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: To pay it. Why why happen in Chattanoos Because.

991
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: It's like, that's because that's how the golf market here is.

992
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: The golf market here is more value driven than it

993
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: is quality driven.

994
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: But it's not even expensive.

995
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: For this area. That's pretty much just about the peak

996
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: of what people pay for golf in this area, for

997
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: public golf, believe it or not, that's a out that's

998
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: about what people pay at the very high end for

999
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: public golf in this area. And you've got you know,

1000
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: really I mean outside of us, and you know, Sawani

1001
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: is a pretty decent little track. But uh, you know,

1002
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: there's really nothing even remarkable or notable around Chattanooga, and

1003
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's we still andy, you know, here we are, here,

1004
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: we are four years later. I mean, once in a while,

1005
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: you still get somebody that you know rolls up and

1006
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, ask how much it is, and they leave

1007
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: because they think it's too many. I think they think

1008
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: it's too much money. And we've kept the we've kept

1009
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: the walking or the walking rates have always been cheap

1010
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: out there because I mean it's we've kept the walking

1011
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: rates cheap out there. But in this area really, up

1012
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: until the last year or so, I really didn't get

1013
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: a lot of walkers. Like maybe I get like a

1014
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: dozen twenty walkers at the very most, like in a

1015
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: week a couple of years ago. But I mean for

1016
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: this area though, that's that's about as much as people

1017
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: are willing to pay for golf. And you know, the

1018
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: mentality is just different, you know. I mean, you get

1019
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: you get the guy that rolls up that sees the

1020
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: golf course has never seen anything like it, goes out,

1021
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: falls in love with it, and to him it's, you know,

1022
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: the greatest deal around. Conversely, you get that guy that

1023
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: goes out there and never see anything like it, plays,

1024
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't like it. I mean it's I don't know.

1025
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: Swedens does a very good job of kind of calling

1026
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: out and finding its clientele, because the people that fall

1027
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: in love with that place, they it's like their hotel California, man.

1028
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: I mean they they're there like every weekend or every

1029
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: chance they get to be there.

1030
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: What uh, what would you say in terms of like

1031
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: why why is it with golfers? It seems like the

1032
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: natural tendency when when they don't when they haven't seen

1033
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: any golf course like it, why is always the reaction negative?

1034
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1035
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: It's like that Mackenzie quote right about. You know, I

1036
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: don't know, because you know a lot of people grow

1037
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: up playing bland, uninteresting golf into them That's that's golf.

1038
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about how personal your views are

1039
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: to golf, and I think it goes kind of into that.

1040
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you grew up, if you grew up

1041
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: playing a you know, a nondescript golf course, it was

1042
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: tree lines, didn't you know, had greens that didn't really

1043
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: have a lot going on, not really any bunkering, And

1044
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: that's what you knew was golf and someone took you

1045
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: out to Sweden's Cove or you know. The other comparison

1046
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 2: I always draw with that place is like Prairie Dunes

1047
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: in Kansas, because like you have like this this wild,

1048
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: this wild golf course. It's just like this kind of

1049
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: a regional club. It's just like or a low excuse

1050
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: not even a regional club, just like at the local

1051
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: country club. It's like, what do people think in Hutchinson, Kansas?

1052
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: It go play other golf courses and then go play

1053
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: that place I removed from, Like it's just so far

1054
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: removed from like what you know is golf being Yeah,

1055
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: like what.

1056
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: About that guy that's remember at Prairie Dunes from Hutchinson,

1057
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: that like he doesn't even know how good he has it?

1058
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, you know that's like it's going to place

1059
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: somewhere else and he's like what the hell is this?

1060
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's a pretty simil It's a it's

1061
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: an interesting parallel, right. I Mean, you have like, you know,

1062
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: just so so outside of the norm for you know,

1063
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: so so out outside the norm of what of the

1064
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: other gulf in the area is like you know, it's

1065
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: just it's just some people, just some people celebrate that difference.

1066
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: Some people don't understand that difference. And I mean, you know,

1067
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: it's it's such as life, man. I mean, you know,

1068
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: people aren't gonna like everything, and you're gonna you're gonna

1069
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: lose your ass and go crazy trying to make everybody happy.

1070
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: So it seems like you do your thing.

1071
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the inverse paradigm of of what

1072
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: happens in La, where the very best courses like Riviera

1073
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: L A c. C. Bel Air, they you know, the

1074
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: now Restore bel Air, like embrace the natural look of

1075
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: the area with the washes and the baranca and the canyons,

1076
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: and and then like all the other courses in La

1077
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: seem to try and like hide it. It's like they're

1078
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: try and be like these utopias that aren't in southern California.

1079
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: It's like, what, like, why wouldn't you look at these

1080
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: courses and take what they do well and bring it

1081
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: to your course.

1082
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: Or even think about it because they probably don't.

1083
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: What So when when'd you get like the architecture bug?

1084
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: You know, I would say, I mean kind of really

1085
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: I started to get interested in architecture, was like it's

1086
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 2: kind of like in my late twenties, I would say,

1087
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I you know, I was, I

1088
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: was kind of lucky growing up. I was, you know,

1089
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: the club Brad growing up. And you know, I grew

1090
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 2: up in northern California and there was a pretty decent

1091
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 2: amount of good golf around where I grew up up,

1092
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: and I think like probably like my first exposure to

1093
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: something that just kind of blew my socks off was

1094
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: like playing Posa Tiempo when I was like thirteen or fourteen,

1095
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: and it was just, you know, like we were talking

1096
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: about before, it was so different from the other golf

1097
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: courses that I played, like growing up, I grew up

1098
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: playing you know, kind of a tree lined, smaller green

1099
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: well buger golf course and then going out and seeing

1100
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: this place with you know, it's all kinds of wild

1101
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: to golf. It was really actually kind of different than

1102
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 2: it was than it is now. They've really done a

1103
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of work out there, but I mean still it

1104
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: was just these wild greens and just all kinds of

1105
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: crazy movement. And you know, I mean, I I was,

1106
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, I guess interested in it, but there just

1107
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of resources about it then, and then

1108
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: you know, kind of as I got in my late twenties,

1109
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: I kind of started to get more interested in it.

1110
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I think to an extent too. It you

1111
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: don't necessarily, I don't know, get interested in it or

1112
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: you're not really steeped in it until you've played you've

1113
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 2: played a lot of golf courses. I mean, you can't

1114
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: really don't. I don't. It'd be difficult to be into

1115
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: architecture if you play ten golf courses, but you play

1116
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 2: a couple hundred of them, and all of a sudden

1117
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: you kind of start seeing and noticing all these differences

1118
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: and understanding why things are the way they are and

1119
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: why you like certain things and dislike other things. But

1120
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: I joined I joined golf club at liss And I

1121
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: think two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and

1122
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: that was really kind of you know, that was kind

1123
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: of the the primmer that really kind of got me

1124
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: interested in it.

1125
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 5: Fall Nerd them, Yeah, because I mean it was.

1126
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: Just such a great race. It's still a great resource.

1127
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got all kinds of pictures, great opinions.

1128
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's just you know, there's just so much

1129
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 2: information on there and it was just, you know, kind

1130
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: of an interesting thing. And then you know, and honestly too,

1131
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the first kind of the first

1132
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: trip I took to band and kind of started a

1133
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: little bit of that interest as well. In two thousand

1134
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: and and six, I was out, I was still living

1135
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: in California and in Ari Ari was out working on

1136
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: something with me, and we went out. We played pebble.

1137
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: We played pebble on my.

1138
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: Birthday, and I remember being, I hope this doesn't have

1139
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: said anybody. I remember being so I was just I

1140
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 2: was underwhelmed. Like we played pebble, was like a six

1141
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: hour round. We were shepherded, like just just shepherd it

1142
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: around the golf. Of course, wasn't in great shape. I mean,

1143
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: obviously there's some fantastic goals out there. We got done

1144
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: with a round and I looked at him, like, man, like,

1145
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: is it me or is this pretty overrated? He just

1146
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: kind of laughed and he said he's like He's like,

1147
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man. He's like, in a couple

1148
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: of weeks, like take about a week off, take a

1149
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: week off from work, and meet me up in Oregon.

1150
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 2: We'll go play We'll go play bandon and I got

1151
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: up there. I got up there about two weeks later,

1152
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: and I had a week off and I get up there.

1153
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: I drive up from from uh I was living in

1154
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: Menlo Park. Grow from Menlo Park up to Eugene. I

1155
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: get to Ari's house and he's sitting there in his

1156
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: living room and he's got like, I don't know, probably

1157
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: one hundred Hickory golf clubs on the floor around him, Like,

1158
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: what are you doing. You're putting my bag together to

1159
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: go go play, go play out of band I'm like, Oh, cool,

1160
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: do you have a bag I can play with? So

1161
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: my first trip to Bandon was one hundred holes with Hickory,

1162
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And I think that gave me a

1163
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: much deeper appreciation for that place than I probably would

1164
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: have if I'd gone out there played it with modern equipment.

1165
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: And I just really just changed the way I looked

1166
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: at golf and how a golf course could really play.

1167
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: I hadn't really seen anything firm and fast fescue like that.

1168
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: I hadn't, you know, just how wild and natural it was,

1169
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: and the shots you could play on the ground. I

1170
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: just hadn't really seen anything like that before, and that

1171
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: really it was like a quantum leap to me and

1172
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: my my appreciation and understanding of golf was my first

1173
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: trip out to Bandon.

1174
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: It's and is coupled with the Pebble.

1175
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1176
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: I had like the similar thing with Pebble this year

1177
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: at Whistling Straits where you know, it took us like

1178
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: six hours to play and I was just it just

1179
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: turned me so much. Yeah, there's so.

1180
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: Many it's like you get it's I mean, dude, it's

1181
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: just the marshals are like they're just there to just

1182
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: keep you moving pretty much, and like it's just I

1183
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: don't know, that's just not golf to me, man, that's not.

1184
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what you find enjoyable about that.

1185
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: It's it's funny because I asked the caddies like, hey,

1186
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: is this normal, and they're like, you know, the fastest

1187
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: round we ever get out here is like five hours,

1188
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: five and a half. And to me, that's it's business.

1189
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: It's bad business, Annie because they're losing or they're missing

1190
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: out on those replay rates.

1191
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's the thing.

1192
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 5: Is like.

1193
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: Even a four hour around four hour around of golf

1194
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: to me feels like forever.

1195
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: Well just it just it just it feels it feels really.

1196
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: Long, but that's the reality of so many golfers, Like, yeah,

1197
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: I caddied my whole life growing up, and like the

1198
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: four hours is fast for a foursome amount of weekend.

1199
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: Like and it's it's crazy to say that because we're

1200
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: two on the end of the spectrum, but that's the reality.

1201
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: Like four hours is pretty fast for some people. The

1202
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: thing that I found crazy, it's just like, you know,

1203
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: I could play Lossnia for like a fourth of the

1204
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: money and play twice as fast, and I think it's

1205
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: a better golf course.

1206
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 5: So like what am I.

1207
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Man? I would I concur with you

1208
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: in completely, in total and entirely, Like it's I mean.

1209
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, man, It's just it's such a

1210
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: different time.

1211
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: You know. The other thing too, is like it's just

1212
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: I think the proposition for a lot of people is

1213
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: changing as far as like when you go out and

1214
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: you play a golf course. I think a lot of

1215
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: people are starting to start to embrace like having fun,

1216
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: Like you know, who cares if it's seventy five hundred

1217
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: yards and it kicks your ass, Like don't you want

1218
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: to just go have fun? Isn't that what you already

1219
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: playing got you into playing golf. You certainly didn't keep

1220
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: playing golf because it wasn't fun.

1221
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1222
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things need a lot of things

1223
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: need to change.

1224
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: But so you think Sweetens is certainly in the fun category.

1225
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: Abandon is a fun It's.

1226
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: Like being out there for four years completely changed my

1227
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: perception of golf, like how I value, like just how

1228
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate and enjoy golf.

1229
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: What are the other most fun golf courses? You've been

1230
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,160
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