WEBVTT - Listener Mail: An Un-remembered Dream 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.080 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.240 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. Listener mail. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:13.560 My name is Robert. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.439 Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.799 day of each week that we read back messages from 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.720 the Stuff to Blow your Mind mail bag. If you 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.639 have never gotten in touch and you would like to, 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.800 why not give it a shot. You can email us 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.480 at contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.199 Whatever you want to send is fine. Obviously a lot 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.879 of people send in feedback to recent episodes. 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Send it 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.440 on in contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:58.960 Let's see, Rob, do you mind if I kick things 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.800 off with this message for Steve about our series on 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:03.600 the on Horse Hooves. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:11.120 Yeah, let's have it, Steve. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.880 Says, Hi again, Robert and Joe in Your Hooves Part two, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.880 Episode Robert briefly mentioned the discovery that five fingers become 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.080 one in horse embryos during one of the phases of 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.600 their growth. I have to stop you right there, Steve. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.160 That was me that said that, not Robert. But you know, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.880 people mix us up sometimes It's okay, it happens. Yeah, 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.040 we're not wearing name tags. Steve goes on. Though quite interesting, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.720 this revelation did not surprise me because it seems like 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.040 I've read about similar discoveries regarding the development of embryos 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.880 and all kinds of different animals, not specifically about fingers, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.600 but a general pattern of growth that seems to repeat 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.760 known evolutionary developments, beginning from the very simple and progressing 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.480 to more complex forms, almost like a reenacted history of 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.400 a given animals deep evolutionary past up to its present 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:05.720 physical paradigm or morphological configuration. This possibility is fascinating, but 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.120 I don't know if there's a biological term for it, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.680 or if it is something that has even been rigorously 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.280 examined as a legitimate part of the gestation slash growth 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.600 process of embryonic science. I'm not a biologist or a scientist, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.880 but I have been a student of human anatomy and 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.880 how it affects external form. Having professional experience as both 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.119 a biomedical designer of three D printed titanium surgical guides 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.799 and as a figurative sculptor. From this perspective, I can 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.839 imagine how there might be structural slash shock absorbing advantages 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.320 to merging five fingers together from one in your example 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.040 of a horse hoof, if some traces of the other 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:48.240 four remain integrated with the whole. This is a crude analogy, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.560 but if you try to break five sticks in a half, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.520 it can be more difficult than breaking one, because there 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.040 is potentially more flexibility in the separate thin sticks than 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.760 one thick one. At the risk of betraying my profe ignorance, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.800 I also wonder if there is some kind of potential 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.880 energy conservation in the storage of DNA derived information used 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.120 by nature to control embryonic development from simple to more 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.480 complex states inherent in the DNA simply stacking revised versions 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.360 of itself on top of older versions. Thank you as 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.160 always for the fantastic content, and congrats again to Joe 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.480 on being a new dad. Happy Father's Day, Steve. Oh, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.880 thank you Steve well. Regarding your question about animal embryos 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.880 sort of repeating their evolutionary history as they develop. We 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.880 could come back one day and do a deeper dive 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.200 on this, but I'll try to do the very short 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.600 and simple version. There is actually an obsolete hypothesis in 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.720 the history of evolutionary theory, no longer held to today, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:53.480 associated most with the German naturalist Ernst Heckel, that proposes 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.400 that as an animal embryo develops, it essentially goes through 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:02.320 all of its ancestral forms from quote lowest to highest. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.080 So a developing horse embryo would at some point to 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.240 sort of become a fish and then become a primitive tetrapod, 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.240 et cetera. This idea was summarized in the slogan that 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:19.600 quote ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny ontogeny meaning the development of an 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:25.159 individual organism, phylogeny meaning its evolutionary history. We note today 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.320 that as a blanket statement, this hypothesis was not correct. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.760 In fact, it seems that while Ernest Teckel was a 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:37.080 great illustrator, he probably fudged some of his drawings of 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.800 animal embryos to make them better fit with his hypothesis. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.560 But a few general comments about this idea. First of all, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.640 in evolution, there is not actually a higher or lower. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.160 You can order your ancestors or the ancestors of a 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:56.480 species chronologically, but that progression is not actually like climbing 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.880 a mountain of sophistication or refinement to quote high higher forms. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.240 At each stage, the organism is simply adapting to its 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.760 environment and whatever pressure has happen to weigh upon it 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.400 at that point in time. But even more importantly, scientists 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.359 have discovered that ontogeny, the growth of an individual organism, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.839 is something that itself evolves like, so how an organism 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.279 grows is something that can be selected for, and different 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.840 organisms go through different kinds of developmental stages that are 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.479 selected for the needs of the species. But it is 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:36.400 true that organisms in development often do manifest particular features 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:41.040 that look like the embryonic forms of distant ancestors, even 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.480 if those forms are not found in adults of the 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.359 embryo's own species. Hence, you get horse embryos with five 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.120 distinct toes before they vanish and then become more like 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.040 the horse hoof that it will have when it's after 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.400 it's born, or you get things like a rob You 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.480 mentioned this example, when it came up in the episode 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.760 Untold Nostrils and Dolphins. Dolphin embryos will first have a 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.640 more frontally positioned nostril that gradually moves to become a 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.880 top facing blowhole as the embryo develops. But this kind 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:16.800 of thing is contingent. These are isolated examples of where 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.960 that happens, and as a general rule, an organism does 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.160 not have to go through all of the past stages 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.400 of its evolutionary history during growth. Sometimes it shows some 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.479 of them, and so the interesting question becomes in the 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.760 cases when it does. Why is that? I don't know 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.920 enough to comment on your idea about like the efficiency 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.159 of information storage in DNA, whether it's more efficient to 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.359 just like stack the new plan on top of the 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.000 older I couldn't say, but it could be interesting to 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.240 come back and look at that someday. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.080 Absolutely all right. The next message comes to us from 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:56.400 Jamie concerning our episodes on Dreams and if memory serves this, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.800 I think this came out after the first episode, but 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:07.480 before the second. Yeah, Jamie writes, Dear Robert and Joe, 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.360 I'm enjoying the pod as always, and especially your recent 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.680 episode on Dreams. It reminded me that, as Frank Herbert 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:17.280 tells us, dreams our messages from the deep. I wonder 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.360 if Herbert was drawing in this as in so much 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.640 of the Doom series on Islamic tradition, in which there 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.160 is a long history of the interpretation of dreams. In fact, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.040 there is a hattoth Or tradition in which the prophet 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.440 Muhammad is said to have said a good vision is 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.520 from Allah and a bad dream is from Satan, with 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:40.360 various later scholars developing methods for distinguishing good from bad dreams. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.680 If this sounds very similar to Homer's Gates of Horn 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.600 and Ivory, I think that's probably because, rather than being 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.720 some kind of opponent or negation of classical antiquity, much 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.840 of early Islamic thought and civilization was actually a continuation 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.560 of it. Looking forward to the next installment, best wishes, Jamie, Well, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.320 thanks for Jamie where of course, we're always up for 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:10.320 any questions or comments concerning Dune And now this particular quote. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.080 Joe and I were just talking about this off mic 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.360 before we came in here, but this quote is from 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:22.000 the recent Part one movie adaptation, but does not occur 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.480 in the actual Frank Herbert novel. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:26.680 Or at least we couldn't find evidence of it. I 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.640 think it is not in the novel. I saw some 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.480 website in my quick googling here saying it was just 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.120 unique to the film, but it is how the Dnievil 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.760 New movie begins. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.599 Yeah. Now that's not to say dreams are not important 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:44.200 within the novel Dune, and then ultimately within the larger 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.559 series of Dune novels that Frank Herbert wrote, dreams do 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.360 play an important role there, and of course he does 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:56.360 draw tremendously on Islamic culture and Islamic ideas, including I think, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.319 the importance of dreams. At the same time, he also 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.280 ends up drawing heavily on like Jungian ideas of concerning 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.480 like dreams. So I think likely with this quote that 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.680 they put together for the film, they are you know, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.280 they're hinting at both of those. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.200 Now, Jamie, As for your quote from the Hadith, I 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.079 was interested in this, so I went and looked it 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.400 up in a couple of online databases for the hadith, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.240 which are collections of the sayings and sometimes the deeds 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.760 of the prophet Muhammad, organized by like which teacher or 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.959 companion of the prophet recorded or narrated them. So when 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.880 I dug this up on an English language resource called 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:38.760 the Prophetic Hadith Encyclopedia, it records two very similar sayings 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.520 next to each other. One of them is passed on 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.840 by Abu Qatada, which says a good vision is from 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.000 Allah and a bad dream is from the devil. If 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.960 any one of you sees something which he dislikes, he 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.600 should spit on his left three times and seek refuge 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.079 with Allah from the devil, then it will not harm him. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.000 And then there's a second recorded similar to the second 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.880 half of that. This one is attributed to the version 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.800 told by Jabir that says, if any one of you 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.480 sees a dream which he dislikes, then let him spit 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.840 three times on his left side, seek refuge with Allah 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.400 from the devil three times, and then change his sleeping position. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.600 And the interpretive material with it says that this last 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.960 piece of advice probably means if you're sleeping on one side, 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.520 roll over to the other side. And it struck me 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.120 as interesting because the advice attributed to the prophet here 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:34.880 for repelling a nightmare, which may well be from Satan, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.280 is a mix of the sacred and the mundane, like 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.000 it says to take refuge with Allah to be protected 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.200 from the devil, but also to roll over onto your 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.600 other side. Oh yeah, and also to spit three times 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.920 on the left side. So yeah, scholars of the Hadith 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.400 or Islamic history, if you're listening, you've got any contexts 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.600 on this kind of advice, I'd be curious if there's 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.800 anything more to know about this. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.880 Yeah. Yeah, because we in the second episode in our 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.320 dream series, we get into some Islamic dream traditions, but 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.280 they are keyed into a very particular time and place 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.520 within the Islamic world. So there's so much that we 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.240 did not research or cover for that part of the episode. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.880 All right, so we skip ahead to some Weird House 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:22.880 Cinema messages. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.760 Oh yeah, okay, So to kick things off on Weird 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.040 House Cinema, I'm going to mention that we heard back 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.360 from Michelle who wrote in and we read her message 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:35.320 on a previous Listener mail episode where she described a 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:39.000 movie that she had seen about a woman who left 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.560 her human boyfriend in favor of a relationship with a robot. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.760 Gave us some plot details and so forth, and we 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.280 were trying to figure out what the movie was. We failed. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.160 We also tried to see if AI could help us 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.160 with the task. AI also failed. But then we read 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.000 the message out and it turns out that one of 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.520 the listeners who got in touch with the potential answer 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:08.240 was on the money. Michelle says, thanks guys, and Chris. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.440 Chris was the listener who wrote in about this. The 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.840 Creation of the Humanoids is the movie I was thinking of. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.719 This was the one from the nineteen sixties, was not 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.000 in black and white as she originally said. I think 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.520 this one is in color. But Rob you said this 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.440 one looked like it was worth a look. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.800 I believe Michael Weldon's write up of it said it 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.440 was fun and hey, it has Dudley man Love in it, 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:35.560 with that cinematic charisma like that in the cast. You 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.160 can't dismiss it. You've got to go in for a 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:37.800 closer look. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.440 Don't you sometimes wish it had been Dudley man Love 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.400 in the role in two thousand and one, Like he's 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.040 the one going through the stargate, He's there in the 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.000 baroque French room and all that. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.760 Man, If only, if only it could have been your 0:12:50.880 --> 0:13:02.800 stupid mind. This the next one comes to us from Kelsey. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.079 Kelsey says, Hello Robin Joe. While I love the regular 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.800 feed of science efacts and tellings, I normally only half 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.880 listened to the Weird House Cinema episodes, as I have 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.040 never had the attention to watch movies, and especially ones 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.480 with strange plots, weird storylines, etc. However, when I saw 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.960 Blade come across this week, I knew I had to 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.000 listen see. I am a young millennial whose mother had 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.720 a strange fascination with Wesley Snipes. So when these movies 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.800 came out, and when we subscribe to mail order Netflix 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.880 in the following years, my mom insisted that her children 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.080 watch them with her. Now, my sister and I are 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.240 neither quite thirty years old yet, so this places us 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.160 in the under ten category when these movies were released. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.320 This may not seem strange except for the fact that 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.320 I was raised in a very Christian conservative household where 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.720 Harry Potter and the Da Vinci Code were banned. I 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.000 was shocked when you describe the amount of cursing in 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.439 the movie, as in our household, even euphemisms for such 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.320 as darn or frick were off limits. Anyways, I guess 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.120 it goes to show you how much influence Wesley Snipes 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.520 has in the world. Ps. I also had a garage 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.640 TV growing up with that my dad would often watch 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.960 while working on cars, tractors, et cetera. I believe it 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.400 was the style that they built in VCR. 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.920 Sincerely, Kelsey, is this because I mentioned that I watched 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.320 Blade on a garage TV? 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.320 I think you did. Yeah, that was as an episode 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.600 from last year that we reran recently. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.440 Well, I love this email. So yeah, Harry Potter, the 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.800 Da Vinci Code demonic, absolute hard. No, but Blade the 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:46.680 R rated non stop swearfest with like beheadings and people 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.240 like melting into piles of blood. That's good. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.800 Well, you know where Blade stands, you know where he stands, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.840 and it is just it's a captivating performance. It's just 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.400 as we discussed at length in that episode. I mean, 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.560 Wesley Snipes just absolutely brings it. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.440 Who could disagree? But wait, Kelsey says she she says 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.680 these movies so not just Blade. It sounds like she's 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.560 talking about the Blade franchise. Like, Kelsey, if you if 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.760 you want to reply to us again, do you mean 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:20.360 that your mom also Netflix ordered Blade two and Blade 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.760 three and so forth. I don't know if there ever 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.760 was a Blade four, Like did you see them all? 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.720 No, there was no four. There was there was Blade one, terrific, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:34.920 Blade two, incredible, Blade three almost entirely disappointing outside of 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.520 like one or two lines from Blade. Then there was 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.440 a TV series which I haven't seen, that does not 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.480 have Wesley Snipes in it. And then I think there 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.360 may have been some animated stuff as well, and so 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.640 forth here and there. But you know, we're on the 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.240 we're on the cusp of getting a new Blade film. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.880 His fingers crossed that they can they can make it work. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.360 It sounds like it's off to they keep changing who's 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.640 involved in it, and there have been some shakeups with it, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.160 but I mean, at hard it sounds like they're going 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.400 back to some of the core material concerning this character. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.000 And yeah, I'm fingers crossed that it's great. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.360 I actually saw Blade two since we recorded that episode. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:15.880 A friend of mine was like, well, you've got to 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.080 see it, and he brought it over for us to watch. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.160 It was fantastic fun. But that movie is so two 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:22.920 thousand and two. 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.400 Yeah, yeah, I haven't watched it in many years at 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.400 this point, but I mean, it's got that Del Toro 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:38.600 charm to it. Like Del Toro's monsters definitely occupy the 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.640 film monsters that you're supposed to be a sympathetic for 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:47.360 on some level, but they also are entirely monstrous. Yeah, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.840 there's a lot to love in there, but there are 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.120 some aspects of it there maybe a little rougher around 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.480 the edges. I know that del Toro was never completely 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.360 satisfied with some of the CGI elements and so forth. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.360 Everything CGI heavy from the early two thousands will, I think, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:01.760 always have that issue. 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.760 Yeah, well you need to see Blade Trinity and complete 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:06.520 the journey. 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.760 Okay, speaking of dated visual effects, do Rob do you 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.040 mind if I finish up with this message from Jeff 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.440 go for it. A quick note, this was a very 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.800 long email, so it's edited a bit for length. Sorry 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.000 about that. Jeff just took a few things out and 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:28.720 tightened it up. Jeff says, greetings regarding the series on 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.879 three D movies, your description of the mask this is 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.360 the one from the sixties, not the Jim Carrey reminded 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.800 me of the best implementation of three D I've ever seen. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.359 The Magic Journeys three D movie at Epcot in the 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.480 early nineteen eighties, Epcot was still a place of wonder 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.199 and cutting edge tech. I was fascinated by the touchscreen 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.080 GUI interface. I guess that's gooey gooey interface on the 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.840 world key park information Kiosks, which did Google Maps tricks 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.399 years before the first Macintosh, was a thing, offered a 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.760 search engine, played video, and operated like a modern website. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:11.679 You could also make restaurant reservations via video phone parentheses. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.560 Pretty Much every conversation began with the Epcot representative explaining 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.960 that yes, I am a real human, and yes I 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.080 can see you just like you can see me. While 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.520 Blade Runner and other films were telling us that the 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.520 future would be nothing but boundless misery, Epcot attractions matter 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.480 of factly explained that in the twenty first century, you'll 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.600 go to school at the bottom of the ocean, call 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.280 your friends terraforming the desert via three D phone, visit 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:41.280 your relatives on holidays in suburban space stations, etc. Everyone 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.760 would be living the dream, a fulfilling life with plentiful resources. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.480 Integrated into all the fantasy was real life, impressive tech 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:53.160 that actually worked. Magic journeys was featured in the Journey 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:58.359 into Imagination pavilion in the now corrupted and renamed Future 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.440 World section of the park. Isn't that the name of 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:02.600 the sequel to Westworld? 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.440 Ah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is Future World, but a 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:06.840 different attraction. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.119 Yeah okay. Jeff goes on where the other attractions focused 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.920 on specific elements of future living. The imagination Pavilion explained 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.840 that those innovations would be impossible without human creativity and 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.840 abstract thinking. Your description of the mask reminded me of 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.480 a sequence of eerie floating masks from the film, which 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.000 begins as a dreamy, trippy flight of wonder and at 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.280 the halfway point turns decidedly creepy and weird. House. One 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.359 scene in particular featured a witch shooting lightning bolts from 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.439 her fingers directly at the audience, and to my eyes, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.719 the bolts seem to end just inches in front of 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.000 my nose. Usually at least one small child would start 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.440 crying loudly at that point. I've never before or since 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.840 seen an effect that seemed to jump so far out 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.199 of the screen. And then Jeff provides some links to 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.680 like a podcast I think about this three D film 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.520 in a video showing samples from it. Jeff goes on 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.680 the eight millimeter film to YouTube conversion leaves a lot 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.840 to be desired, but I assure you the visuals were stunning. 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:16.000 The deliberate slow pace created the feel of altered consciousness, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.000 although this does not translate at all in a crappy 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.680 two D resolution, and you might be tempted to hit 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.200 the two X speed button. However, the music is worth 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.760 experiencing properly. It was similarly bizarre, featuring rich eighty synth 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.639 and freaky lyrics about quote splashing in the stream of 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.240 an unremembered dream end quote, the atoms that repose in 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.840 the heartbeat of a Rose. Disney would never make anything 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:48.280 so meditative and aggressively weird these days, and then an 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.360 unrelated Jeff also recommends an Amazon Prime video series called 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.639 Jean Claude Van Johnson, which is about Jean Claude Van 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.800 dam quote. The premise is that JCVD, the actor, was 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.920 also a secret agent in real life. It's an action 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.520 comedy that is both a parody and a celebration of 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.840 the actor in his movies VANDAM is hilarious in multiple 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.280 roles and a surprisingly effective actor and good sport. You 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.600 can easily binge the whole series in a weekend, and 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.720 then he goes on to say some things. Apparently it 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.840 also ends in a cliffhanger. But to wrap it up, 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:26.160 Jeff says finally, in regards to attempts to conceptualize distance 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.280 between the planets discussed in the Urinus episodes, on the 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.920 Washington Mall in DC, beginning near the Air and Space Museum, 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.879 there is a one to ten billion scale model of 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.399 our solar system. The Sun is about the size of 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.800 a grapefruit, and following the trail along the sidewalk, you 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.680 quickly run into the inner planets, with information stations and 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.520 size comparisons at each one. By the time you get 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.119 to Neptune, it's easy to forget why you were walking 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.760 in that direction in the first place, especially with all 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.359 the exciting distractions in DC. Thanks for continuing to present 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.400 us with diverse information pour into our brains while stuck 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:06.360 in traffic and doing otherwise tedious chores. You are appreciated, Jeff. Well, 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.399 thank you. Jeff. I had never seen this movie. I 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.760 think I went to Epcot as a young child, but 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.399 if I saw this, I don't remember it. So I 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.680 looked up like a YouTube rip of this film. Obviously, 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.199 as you say, you can't really get the feeling of 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.600 what it would be like with three D. But the 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:27.359 Witch was extremely funny. She's kind of like the you know, 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.920 she's like the Wizard of Oz Witch, like green makeup 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.360 and the long fingernails and stuff. Beyond that, I did 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.080 get to the part you were talking about with the 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.359 masks flying out of the screen. There's like an onny 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.720 mask asteroid that blasts at you. Later, there is also 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:49.560 a clown segment that has strong resemblance to when Trumpy 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.159 does magic things in Pod People, but with clowns running 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.760 out of the screen and screaming at you. And also, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:58.760 I don't know if this is like a sign of 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.280 a neurological disorder on my part, but when I watched 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.520 this movie, I could literally smell cigarettes. I don't know why. 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:10.479