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Speaker 2: It didn't take long after the Knicks were limited on

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Speaker 2: Saturday that the finger pointing has started in New York

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Speaker 2: and most of the fingers are pointed at Carl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: So there were reports out of New York suggesting the

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Speaker 2: team grew increasingly frustrated with Carl Anthony Town's defensive habits

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Speaker 2: throughout the playoffs. This isn't a new revelation. He's never

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Speaker 2: been a good defender, and he's a he's a what

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Speaker 2: do you say, Marvin. He is not a big man.

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Speaker 2: He's a tall man.

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Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, right, He's not a power forward. He's just

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Speaker 3: a forward.

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Speaker 2: He's really good at scoring, really good at scoring, and

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Speaker 2: he's good at letting the other team score as well.

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Speaker 3: But he's not a rim protector.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't this this of all the things coming

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Speaker 2: out of New York. Man, you gotta blame somebody. We

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Speaker 2: didn't go to the finals. So it's Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: You traded for him, You knew exactly what you were getting.

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Speaker 2: There's no secret. It's not like he stopped playing defense

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Speaker 2: once he got to New York. He didn't play it

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. That's why they had the stifled tower in there,

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Speaker 2: Rudy and the go Bears. Because Carl Anthony Towns is

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Speaker 2: he's a seven foot shooting guard.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, the Pacers were targeting Carl Anthony Towns in

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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter that pick and roll barbecue chicken.

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Speaker 2: Okay, See if Karl Anthony Towns, who doesn't play defense,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunts is undersized. He's not a good defender either.

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Speaker 2: And you're playing for a coach who is a defensive

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Speaker 2: minded coach. So you can blame Karl Anthony Towns defensively.

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Speaker 2: Offensively played really well. His numbers were really good. But

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Speaker 2: if the Knicks want to start pointing fingers, I think

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Speaker 2: I'd look in the mirror right now, because now what

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Speaker 2: do you do? Karl Anthony Town's going to be one

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Speaker 2: and done. Now all of a sudden, you're going to

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Speaker 2: try to package you. Now I'm hearing, hey, would you

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Speaker 2: trade Karl Anthony town straight up for uh Jannis? I

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Speaker 2: go wait, if I'm Milwaukee, No, if I'm the Knicks,

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Speaker 2: of course, would you trade Karl Anthony Towns straight up

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Speaker 2: for Kevin Durant?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I mean it's a lot younger guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are the things that you're hearing already

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Speaker 2: in New York this morning, and I'm thinking, would I

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Speaker 2: try to package something for uh Jannis? Sure, but you

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Speaker 2: got to give me something more than Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 2: I always wonder, you know, when we have these trade proposals,

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Speaker 2: why are you getting rid of that guy?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Jannis may want out, and he's still one of the

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Speaker 2: top five players, but he wants out because he wants

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Speaker 2: to win a championship. Karl Anthony Towns doesn't want out

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Speaker 2: of New York. They might money him out of New York.

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Speaker 2: He had one more block shot than I did in

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Speaker 2: the entire series against Indiana. You're seven feet tall. Jalen

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Speaker 2: Brunson had more blocks than Karl Anthony Towns. Out of

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Speaker 2: trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We should not

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Speaker 2: be surprised at any of this. Usually what happens is,

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Speaker 2: remember Joker can't play defense. Remember that was the knock

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Speaker 2: that he wasn't going to win the MVPA. Hey, he

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Speaker 2: can't play defense. Well, they're called defensive rebounds, and he's

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Speaker 2: one of the best defensive rebounders in the game. Looking,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like Bill Russell compared to Karl

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Speaker 2: Anthony Towns. But you know, Jaylen Brunson. It's never been

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Speaker 2: brought up that Jalen Brunson can't play defense. Never, but

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Speaker 2: he can't. He's undersized. You know, he's a great offensive player.

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Speaker 2: You know, has some bad passes, stupid fouls sometimes, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I love watching him play. But we'll single

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Speaker 2: out like Steph Curry guard anybody. Steve Nash can't guard anybody. Joker.

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Speaker 2: Not a good defender that you know. Somehow that tips

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Speaker 2: the scales to some Nobody's ever said if Shay Gilgess

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Speaker 2: can play defense.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard it.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes when you're pointing out somebody, Hey, he's really

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Speaker 2: good on offense, but he's terrible on defense. Like Luca Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's a bad defender. Okay, he's a really good offensive player.

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Speaker 3: I do know that.

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Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, how does it

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Speaker 2: even out. He's probably going to have more points than

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Speaker 2: you and more assists than you. But when it comes

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Speaker 2: to defense, Karl Anthony Towns can't play defense. No one

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Speaker 2: should be surprised because he has never been able to

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Speaker 2: and now are you going to have him on the move?

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Speaker 2: But you got to have somebody to blame. They're even

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Speaker 2: asking the question to Jalen Brunson about is Tom Thibodeau

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Speaker 2: the right coach for the Knicks?

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Speaker 6: Gentle when you talk about the confidence, obviously, I feel

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Speaker 6: like nobody takes more criticism than Tom, and this team

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Speaker 6: obviously has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind

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Speaker 6: of feel that going forward he's the same guy left

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Speaker 6: you guys the rest of the way at next level?

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Speaker 7: Is that a real question? Right now? He just asked

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Speaker 7: me if I believe that, if he's the right guy?

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Speaker 5: Yes, thanks, guys.

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Speaker 3: On awkward?

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Speaker 2: Is that a real question? What do you think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna say? First of all, and okay, maybe you're trying

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Speaker 2: to lead the witness a little bit. Maybe maybe he

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Speaker 2: gives you something, but he's going to back his guy.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's the right guy?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I do not.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys that thank you have good off season? Yes, Todd,

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Speaker 2: even in.

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Speaker 8: A moment of terrible disappointment that if you don't love

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Speaker 8: the question, now you're looking to embarrass the reporter of

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Speaker 8: there is there another way Brunton could have made his point.

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Speaker 2: With that, Oh no, no, no, no, you're backing your guy. No, no, no.

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Speaker 3: But you can't back him by saying, of course he's

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Speaker 3: our guys. You have to say, come on, you're really

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Speaker 3: asking me that.

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Speaker 7: Dude.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think in that situation you want to back

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Speaker 2: your guy. Maybe over back your guy. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: probably would have said the same thing. Is he the

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Speaker 2: right guy?

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Speaker 8: He's the right guy. We haven't lost any confidence in him.

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Speaker 8: He's taken us this far and we'll go that much

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Speaker 8: further next year. Really, dude, that's what you.

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Speaker 7: Got for me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, but do you you don't blame the reporter for

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Speaker 2: asking that question.

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Speaker 8: Not the greatest question, but the question was asked, and

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Speaker 8: you have an opportunity to embarrass him in front of

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Speaker 8: his peers or answer it short of make him feel foolish.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to side with Jalen Brunson with that.

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Speaker 2: You just lost. Hey, do you think Tom's still the

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Speaker 2: guy to lead you? Is that a Is that a

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Speaker 2: real question?

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Speaker 8: What would you say to those who think Tom Tibdos

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Speaker 8: should be with another team next year and you should have?

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Speaker 3: I would say, who are those people?

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Speaker 2: There are people who some say no, no, I would

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Speaker 2: turn it back on you because that that is our fallback.

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Speaker 3: You know where we go.

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Speaker 2: You know, people are saying I would say, who's saying

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Speaker 2: let me know who those people are.

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Speaker 3: They're nameless right now, but they are saying that Ben Stiller.

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Speaker 2: Ben Stiller saying that Timothy Shalomey is saying that, Yes, Seed.

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Speaker 9: You kind of sound like in forty year Old Virgin

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Speaker 9: where they're like, uh no, just always ask questions to women.

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Speaker 9: You just ask whatever they say back, She's like, how

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Speaker 9: you doing?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing? Can I help you find something?

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Speaker 3: I don't know? Can you help me find something?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Pole question? First hour is gonna be what you like

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Speaker 3: to do it yourself. Let's see we got some options here.

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Speaker 9: How about this off season the Knicks need to make

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Speaker 9: a dot dot dot big move or minor tweaks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think when they lost Isaiah Hartenstein, I really

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Speaker 2: liked him, I mean, very underrated. Now he's playing for OKC,

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Speaker 2: but but I mean Karl Anthony Towns. That's he says

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Speaker 2: that he is kind of revolutionizing the big man or

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Speaker 2: whatever his compliment was of his game. He is a

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Speaker 2: skilled scorer. But okay, if you have a defensive minded coach.

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Speaker 2: You got an undersized point guard, and you got a

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Speaker 2: big man who's not really a big man. Okay, now,

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Speaker 2: Anonobi and Michale Bridges and Mitchell Robbins, Okay, Josh Hart,

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Speaker 2: you guys better play some really, really good defense because

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Speaker 2: those guys can't.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Would I still inquire about Giannis? Absolutely? I mean every

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Speaker 2: team should. Toronto's another team that's emerging now if there

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Speaker 2: should be, Boston should be in the mix with this.

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Speaker 2: But what are you giving? What are you giving Milwaukee?

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Speaker 2: Obviously the Knicks would go, hey, we want him, What

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Speaker 2: are you giving up? Well, you're not giving up Brunson.

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Speaker 2: You know, Annonobe, you you got draft picks and you

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Speaker 2: know you got to make all this work here. But

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Speaker 2: we we live in a fantasy world sometimes with these trades.

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Speaker 2: We're like, man, the Knicks are going to get this guy.

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Speaker 2: It's like you know sports radio call in people talking

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Speaker 2: about the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: You know, we we we.

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Speaker 2: Want to get this guy, and we're going to give

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Speaker 2: up you know, Luis Soto or whoever you know, Yes, time.

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Speaker 8: Assuming you're not going to make up a heart either, is

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Speaker 8: that you giving up Bridges and Cat that's enough to

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to go down that road because

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Speaker 3: it's silly.

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Speaker 2: It's it's you know, you're trying to put pieces together,

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Speaker 2: and you got four first round picks, and then you're

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Speaker 2: going to throw in this and this and this and this.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to make these kind of moves unless

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Speaker 2: sometimes you need a third team involved in this.

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Speaker 7: But do the.

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Speaker 3: Knicks need to make a move? I think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean they made a move last season and then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they missed Julius Randall because Randall,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a good passer and he he'll play defense. Now,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they never should have gotten and

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Speaker 9: Uh yeah, Seaton, Right, you're gonna have to do like

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Speaker 9: to get Jannis Karl Anthony Towns in like three first

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Speaker 9: look at the twenty thirty draft, the first round, the

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Speaker 9: conditional first round, some of these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because if you're going to trading there,

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Speaker 2: where are those draft picks going to be? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're going to get the twenty sixth pick in the draft,

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Speaker 2: because that's what it would be with the Knicks with

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Speaker 2: how they finished so but all right, so we kind

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Speaker 2: of have a poll question here. The Nicks should do

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Speaker 2: something small medium, Look, I should.

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Speaker 9: They'd make a big move or just some minor tweaks

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Speaker 9: in the offseason. I also am going to put up

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Speaker 9: their better better finals right now? Pacers Thunder or Oilers Panthers?

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Speaker 1: Ooh m?

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Speaker 3: Which are you most looking forward to? Well, I'm obviously

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Speaker 3: a basketball fan.

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Speaker 2: I want to see what Indiana's offense can do against

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Speaker 2: Okay sees defense. Now granted that's not tune in factor,

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Speaker 2: just letting you know in my world that's what I

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Speaker 2: want to see because there's you know, we always talk

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Speaker 2: about sex appeal or kind of the drive by with

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Speaker 7: Gonna get you two.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the SPN way of life.

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Speaker 13: Uh But like I said, man, you've been I've been

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Speaker 7: It's a great thing. You know.

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Speaker 13: The NBA family has been tremendous to us. The fans

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Speaker 2: Okay, But does the show look like the show? It's

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Speaker 2: just it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is

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Speaker 13: Don't even know you see that that That's one of

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Speaker 13: Well, because ESPN, Because we're only probably going to be

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're still going to do a show, an

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, good.

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Speaker 13: But but like I say, if they're being honest, we're

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Speaker 13: But they're trying to do something stupid at t N

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Speaker 13: So it's complicated. And like I say, we taped the

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Speaker 7: And I wouldn't want to go out like that.

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Speaker 7: They don't know?

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Speaker 3: They were honest with you.

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Speaker 7: They were honest. They were honest.

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Speaker 13: They were like, we just uh so they want to

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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley joining us inside the NBA. Uh on t

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Speaker 2: What's the show called on t n T? And is

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Speaker 7: I think that's easy. But I think so I forget.

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Speaker 13: I think the pilot is called inside the NBA.

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Speaker 13: Well, well, you know, you know the thing that was

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Speaker 2: But you know, you have no rights to the NBA,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was really stupid. We got to figure something out.

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Speaker 2: What role do you think Michael Jordan's going to play

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's a great question. I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I don't see Michael ban on television a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I don't see Michael Bean on television a lot.

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Speaker 3: Be honest with you, why do you think he's doing this?

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Speaker 13: I have a zero idea. I think it's great that

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Speaker 13: I you know, this is gonna be interesting going forward

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Speaker 13: I mean the money to the NBC, Amazon and ESPN

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Speaker 3: What do you think Jordan would get paid today if

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Speaker 7: They were just born at the right time. We got

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Speaker 7: a bunch of great players.

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Speaker 13: But man, these guys, I just hope they appreciate how

441
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Speaker 13: lucky they are and stop this BS with low management.

442
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Speaker 13: You know, we can't keep crapping on the fans where

443
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 13: we're like, yeah, wait, ye know, you're making seventy million dollars.

444
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 13: You can't play basketball four days a week, you can't

445
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Speaker 13: work two days in a row. And you want doctors

446
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 13: and nurses, en firemen and comps and people in the

447
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 13: military and people who got like work in the cement factory. Like,

448
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 13: wait a minute, I make twenty dollars an hour. This

449
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 13: dude makes seventy million dollars and he can't play back

450
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Speaker 13: to back. Come on, man, I think that's an insult

451
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Speaker 13: to the fans, and it might be a problem. It

452
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 13: was already a problem, but when this money like double

453
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 13: and triple, the fans gonna are like, yeah, I'm not

454
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 13: watching this crap at them more up. These dudes can't

455
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Speaker 13: play two games in a row. Can you imagine you

456
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Speaker 13: a fan and you get like a great player who

457
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 13: comes west to east or east to west. He's on

458
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Speaker 13: the coming one time a year and the tickets are ridiculous,

459
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Speaker 13: and you're like, yeah, he played last night. Uh So

460
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Speaker 13: I think there's some things we got to answer a

461
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Speaker 13: basketball players going forward.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're making whatever, twenty million dollars a year

463
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Speaker 2: and you only want to work two days a week.

464
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Speaker 7: I show up every day, though, Hey, listen, I show up.

465
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Speaker 7: I show up every day.

466
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Speaker 3: Then, okay, back back to back, so.

467
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Speaker 13: Back to back? Wait, like going the playoffs. You know,

468
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Speaker 13: we worked like six days a week, and I show

469
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Speaker 13: up every day those six Hey, then you know what

470
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Speaker 13: these guys you know.

471
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Speaker 2: I apologize, I apologize. I didn't realize the work schedule,

472
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Speaker 2: the workload.

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Speaker 5: You have my bad.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's just wait just oh there you go? Are

475
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Speaker 3: you back? You you can hear me now?

476
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Speaker 2: No, you froze up right after I said that with

477
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Speaker 2: the apology, and I thought you were you know, it

478
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Speaker 2: was a dramatic pausee there.

479
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Speaker 13: So because it was a dramatic pause, you just changed me.

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Speaker 7: Dan, don't do that.

481
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Speaker 2: I didn't show shank you change. I thought it was

482
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Speaker 2: shaw shanked. Oh yeah, I sure changed you, But I

483
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: didn't shaw shak you.

484
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

485
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Speaker 13: Okay, but but you know these guys out there, you know,

486
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Speaker 13: I'm so old. We flew commercial and played it back

487
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Speaker 13: to back, and these guys got the best private planes,

488
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 13: they got the best medical staff, they got these cold

489
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Speaker 13: water plunges.

490
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Speaker 7: They got the hyperbaric change.

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Speaker 13: I mean, they got the best shoes and they can't

492
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Speaker 13: play basketball two days in a row for fifty sixty

493
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Speaker 13: million dollars.

494
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Speaker 7: That's the craziest stuff ever.

495
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Speaker 2: Man, Well, this will be crazy, I'm sure to you.

496
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Speaker 2: But I brought this up to Stephen Jackson last week.

497
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Speaker 2: I said, you know, can you see a time or

498
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Speaker 2: get ready for Larry Bird dropping out as one of

499
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Speaker 2: the top ten players of all time? Like, could you

500
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Speaker 2: see a scenario where Larry is not ranked in the

501
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Speaker 2: top ten all time?

502
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Speaker 13: Well, let me say this. The three most important figures

503
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Speaker 13: in NBA history are Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.

504
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Speaker 13: You know, there are a lot of great players, but

505
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 13: there's only a few guys who transcend the sport. I'll

506
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Speaker 13: throw Kobe in there, I'll throw Lebron in there, I'll

507
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Speaker 13: strow Steph in there, and there are a lot of

508
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Speaker 13: really really good players, but nobody can take away the

509
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Speaker 13: historic significant Remember Day Carr was one of the greatest

510
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 13: ever against mad When I say this, before Magic Johnson,

511
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 13: Lara Berry, the league was too black, two thuggery, the

512
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 13: average salary was two hundred thousand dollars. Now the average

513
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 13: salary is like twelve million dollars and magic and Bird

514
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 13: started the transformation. Michael Jordan took it to a whole

515
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Speaker 13: other level. He got guys making one hundred million dollars

516
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Speaker 13: from Nike now and other shoe brands. That's all Michael

517
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Speaker 13: Jordan's and you because you look at the same thing

518
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Speaker 13: in golf, Garrett, Player, Arnold and Jack. They are the

519
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 13: three foundational pieces and tiger Woods that once in a

520
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 13: generation player who was Michael Jordan And golf. There are

521
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Speaker 13: a lot of great players. Phil Michs is probably the

522
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Speaker 13: only other person in that conversation in golf, but there's

523
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Speaker 13: very few after leats in every sport that people can say, oh,

524
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Speaker 13: you know, yeah, he's playing, I'm going to watch.

525
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Speaker 7: That does not mean we don't have a lot.

526
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Speaker 13: Of great players, like right now, we got Shade, we

527
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 13: got the Joeker, we got Jannis, we got Lebron Luke,

528
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 13: all these guys, but there are very few players that

529
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 13: transcend their sport. So no matter what happens with Bird,

530
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Speaker 13: as far as that him and Matty Johnson are the

531
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Speaker 13: two most important figures in NBA history in my opinion,

532
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 13: then I say, then we all old Michael, because when

533
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 13: Michael's you know when he started doing commercials that changed

534
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 13: everything for everybody. Now because of Michael, I was making

535
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 13: millions of dollars from wearing Nike. Nobody was doing that.

536
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 13: Nobody had a signature shoe or they were making one

537
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 13: hundred million dollars a year. That's all because of Michael.

538
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 13: That's why, regardless of all this other stuff, this Lebron stuff,

539
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 13: this Kobe stuff, people buy shoes because of Michael freaking Jordan.

540
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Speaker 13: That's it, I mean, And that's no disrespect to anybody. Yes,

541
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Speaker 13: some of these other guys out here selling shoes, miche't

542
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 13: you try to make people wearing shoes to wedding. Nobody

543
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 13: ever thought about wearing shoes to weddings until I could

544
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Speaker 13: do it.

545
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Speaker 2: Think about that, Dan, did you ever wear Air Jordan's

546
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Speaker 2: when you played?

547
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what's interesting about that.

548
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Speaker 13: When Michael had pulled me aside and told me we

549
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 13: went out smoking cigars the last time. He said, the

550
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 13: Marty that flew down, he said, I got something to

551
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 13: tell you, guys. He flew down to Houston and he

552
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 13: takes us out. We go out to dinner. We got

553
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 13: to smoke some cigars, he says, guys, I'm just giving

554
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 13: you all the heads up. I'm gonna retire to the

555
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 13: end of the season. I'm like, what am And Amad

556
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 13: was like, I think he's serious. He said, I'm gonna

557
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 13: retire to the end of the season. So I called

558
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 13: him like a week later, and I said, oh, man,

559
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 13: that's a tribute. Because you know, remember when Mattie Johnson

560
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 13: announced he had AIDS. I wanted to pay homage to him.

561
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 13: I called Billy Cunningham and said, Hey, can I wear

562
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Speaker 13: your jersey to celebrate Magic Johnson? He said sure, no problem,

563
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 13: I said, because, and I called Irvan. I say, hey, Man,

564
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 13: for everything you did for me and my family, I'm

565
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 13: gonna wear number thirty two all year. So I wore

566
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Speaker 13: thirty two one year. But I called Michael and I said, hey,

567
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 13: send me a pair of shoes. I just want to

568
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 13: tell you how much I appreciate everything you did for me.

569
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Speaker 13: Give me that give me that advice on that Nike

570
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 13: stock that made me a thirty million dollars And.

571
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Speaker 3: Uh that was an insider trading, was it?

572
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 7: No?

573
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Speaker 13: Because you know, at the time I was making about

574
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 13: three million dollars a year and we were playing golf

575
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 13: and he said, Chuck I was talking to somebody, so

576
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 13: I want you to quit taking three million, take a million,

577
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 13: and take the other two million and stock options. So

578
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 13: I called my people and they say, hey, Michael told

579
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Speaker 13: me to do that, because Michael's always been a brilliant businessman.

580
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 13: And they're like, this is risky. You think he gonna

581
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 13: be that great? I says, Man, I ain't ever seen

582
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Speaker 13: nobody like that, dude, because I had met him at

583
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 13: the Olympic trials. I said, he gonna be amazing, he says,

584
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Speaker 13: And we did it, and like I said, I ended

585
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 13: up probably making seriously another fifty million dollars to be

586
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 13: honest with you, but he made me trade that in.

587
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 13: But the point I was making, man, I put his

588
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 13: shoes on one game I had. He definitely did the

589
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 13: greatest damn basketball player ever then.

590
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Speaker 7: Those were the heaviest down there ever played in in

591
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Speaker 7: my life.

592
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Speaker 13: I'm not even joking, because when I designed my shoes,

593
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 13: more of them really really like I played in those

594
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 13: heavy ass air Jordans. One game it was like I

595
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 13: had bricks on my damn feet then. And I've been

596
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 13: one hundred percent serious. I called him man. I actually

597
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 13: called him after the game. I said yo, Man, what

598
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 13: the hell you be putting in these damn shoes? I

599
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 13: mean they were so damn heavy. Then I said, hey,

600
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Speaker 13: I played in them one game as attribute to him.

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Speaker 7: How these shoes too damn heavy for me? Man, that's

602
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 7: a true story.

603
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Speaker 2: Then it makes it even more amazing what Mike did

604
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: in those air Jordan's.

605
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Speaker 7: I think they're really out of damn bricks.

606
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Speaker 2: Do you think he could have had them design a

607
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: special pair for you that maybe were a little heavy,

608
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, Mike's very competitive.

609
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 7: No, because he got them to me like in two days.

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Speaker 13: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, no, he had time to put

611
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 13: no bricks in them. But man, them suits were heavy

612
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 13: as hell.

613
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Speaker 2: Man, before I let you go, Uh, what kind of

614
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: chance do you give the Pacers against Okasee.

615
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 13: I think they can make it competitive, but I've been

616
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 13: saying for months nobody can beat that team four times

617
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 13: in a week. The Pacers got a good team. But

618
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 13: the okay, see, they're one of the best teams I've

619
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Speaker 13: seen a long time. They're the deepest. They might be

620
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 13: the deepest NBA team I've ever seen. They be playing

621
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Speaker 13: guys who don't even play like the last series, and

622
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 13: they put them in the game, they're like, damn, what

623
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 13: he been so And that's kind of the really negate

624
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 13: the Patriots, the pacersch which beat them to help them

625
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 13: beat the Knicks because the Thunder they're bringing better players

626
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 13: off the bench than the Pacer. The Pacers got a

627
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 13: terrific bench, but Oklahoma City got better bench players. So

628
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 13: I hope it's a good series, but I don't think

629
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 13: anybody can beat Okay see four times in a week.

630
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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Perhaps I'll see you in Tahoe.

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Speaker 2: You a coward, Dan, No, I'm going to go out there.

632
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 7: Oh you're not gonna play.

633
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't invite me. I might be working.

634
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 7: You won't be working.

635
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 13: We play on a Friday afternoon, on Saturday and Sunday.

636
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm bringing I think I might bring the show out

637
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: to Tahoe.

638
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: You bring it out, and I do. I should do

639
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 7: How long you how long you own?

640
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Speaker 3: Three hours?

641
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 13: I'll give you an hour one day, me and you.

642
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 7: But last time you came to Tahoe, you missed about

643
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 7: six little three inch give you.

644
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, as we have to put out I know,

645
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I know. I did pick up my ball one time.

646
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: Like that's good, right, And then I was like, oh no.

647
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: People looked at me like what are you doing? I

648
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: wasn't that good? Then like no, you got to play them,

649
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: got to play them.

650
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Speaker 1: All the way to Dame.

651
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Speaker 7: I know, yes you do? Brother all right?

652
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'll see you maybe in July.

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Speaker 7: All right, brother s.

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Speaker 1: All right, be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

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Speaker 2: Greg Zankee, SEC Commissioner kind enough to join us. It's

658
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: been kind of busy here in the off season. Never

659
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: stops for you. Recap what happened last week? Give me

660
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the cliff notes version.

661
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 10: Spent a lot of time in overly air conditioned meeting

662
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Speaker 10: rooms in in Florida, UH with athletics directors, head coaches, football, men's,

663
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 10: women's basket ball in our presence, and chancellors. Talked about

664
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 10: our football schedule, the college football playoff, potential settlement of

665
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 10: a set of lawsuits that would introduce a revenue sharing

666
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 10: model to college sports, and we talked about any other

667
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 10: number of issues like our softball tournament location that are

668
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 10: probably more mundane than you want to jump into on

669
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 10: a Monday morning, but happy to talk about softball and

670
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 10: gymnastics championships locations for the conference if you'd like.

671
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I wanted to have you on. But

672
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: let's get some of these ancillary things out of the right.

673
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: That's fair, Okay, let me start with basketball and then

674
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: we'll get to football, the discussions of seventy two to

675
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: seventy six teams, any discussion from the SEC portion of this.

676
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 10: I introduced the issue to our men's basketball coaches, which

677
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 10: I think we've talked about with that group before.

678
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 5: I would guess Dan, given.

679
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 10: The other issues we have on our plate, that that

680
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 10: that conversation maybe lasted five minutes. My points to them were,

681
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 10: this is still a work in progress. I didn't know

682
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 10: that there was going to be kind of a press gathering.

683
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 10: This is not a criticism. Charlie Baker spoke about tournament expansion.

684
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 10: I think the day after our basketball coaches gathered. I

685
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 10: mentioned it to our wins basketball coaches as well. Briefly,

686
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 10: didn't really go anywhere, and so my introduction was, I

687
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 10: just want you to be aware probably towards the end.

688
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 5: Of the month this will come up.

689
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 7: I said.

690
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 10: My view is, I think we should be exploring tournament expansion.

691
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 10: Whether or not it happens, it is actually another point

692
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 10: of evaluation. So have the conversation deep dive figure out

693
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 10: if it works practically competitively economically. I think the one

694
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 10: issue for us is if it is expanded. Let's pick

695
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 10: the number of seventy six and I'll do quick math

696
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 10: for you. So fifty two of the seventy six teams

697
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 10: would be like in that traditional first round, the other

698
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 10: twenty four would play in twelve games. The twelve winners

699
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 10: meet up with the fifty two. There's your sixty fourteen bracket.

700
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: Right.

701
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 10: That's like from my intermural director days at you to

702
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 10: the cop.

703
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 5: That's so I know how brackets work.

704
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 10: I'm really interested and we're interested as in a league

705
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 10: is who fills those twelve games those other twenty four teams?

706
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 5: The kind of Dayton model, if you will, which is.

707
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 10: A men's basketball side, is it's a combination of the

708
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 10: lowest aqs, the lowest rated aqs kind of by placement

709
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 10: of the committee, and then the last at large teams

710
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 10: in and I kind of pivot to look look to

711
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 10: North Carolina State last year eleven seed. They were an AQ,

712
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 10: but they went to the final four, and it's just

713
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 10: kind of an indication that competitively, those top fifty or

714
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 10: so teams, you know, things fall right, injuries, heel can

715
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 10: make really good runs. So I'm not one who thinks

716
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 10: we should just follow the Dayton model automatically have expanded

717
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 10: engine takes place.

718
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 5: So that was my reference to our.

719
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: Coaches when our decisions made or voted on for expansion

720
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: for the college football playoffs.

721
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question.

722
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 10: By agreement that the outer boundary is November thirty December

723
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 10: one of this year for the twenty six playoff. Now

724
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 10: keep in mind, when we went to twelve teams, the

725
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 10: board said that'll be the format for twenty twenty six.

726
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 10: Let's start early if we can, which we obviously did

727
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 10: I think did overall in a successful way.

728
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 7: But what was.

729
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 10: Introduced immediately is let's go through these two years and

730
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 10: conduct an evaluation. So we're in that evaluation standpoint. A

731
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 10: lot of talk about really fourteen or sixteen that I

732
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 10: think twelve is known as as kind of a foundation point,

733
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 10: But the conversation is about fourteen or sixteen, and then

734
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 10: how our team selected or placed into whatever size brat

735
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 10: it exists is the more the headline question. Okay, but

736
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 10: what model do you like. Well, I've been one who

737
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 10: said over time, I'd give no allocation. So this whole

738
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 10: five to seven thing that exists now, I just make

739
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 10: it the twelve best teams.

740
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 5: And I was clear on that.

741
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 10: Now, when we get into rooms, we make political compromises,

742
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 10: if you will, small p not like Congress political compromises,

743
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 10: but to achieve an outcome.

744
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: But he decides on the top twelve teams selection committee.

745
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, but here's what I think. I think we've not.

746
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 10: We spent so much time expanding and working through our

747
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 10: own little side arguments about teams and all we can't

748
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 10: do this, we need this. You got to protect this

749
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 10: bowl game or that bowl game. We never went back

750
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 10: to the essence of decision making, which is how our

751
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 10: team selected. As everyone relocated over the last four or

752
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 10: five years. Do the analyses that existed in work for

753
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 10: the fourteen playoff in twenty fourteen still have the same

754
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 10: relevance And we're behind that curve in my opinion. That's

755
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 10: why other ideas are introduced and considered, and we've looked

756
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 10: at ideas. You know, this allocation of it's called automatic bids,

757
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 10: that's such a harsh term. I think allocations is one

758
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 10: where I like that word because we've already we already

759
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 10: allocated And look at last year we had two teams

760
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 10: not in the top four. They get to move up

761
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 10: because of the political compromise. We have a team outside

762
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 10: the twelve that moves in, and then the teams that

763
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 10: are displaced look around and say, hey, wait a second,

764
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 10: that doesn't make any sense any longer. That introduces the

765
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 10: questions around should that model continue or should that allocation

766
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 10: model expand where other teams are brought in.

767
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: Talking to Greg Sankie, SEC Commissioner, we've talked about this before.

768
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: You know, given the scheduling and hotel rooms and travel

769
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: of receding after the first round games, Kent, is that

770
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: on the table at all anymore?

771
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 10: Well, not really receding, because almost what a week and

772
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 10: a half ago for the twenty five season, this college

773
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 10: Football Playoff Management Committee, which is the commissioners and the

774
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 10: Notre Dame Athletic Director, agreed to just go to straight

775
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 10: seating by ranking. So the movement of teams outside the

776
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 10: top four into the top four that won't happen in

777
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 10: twenty twenty five. You're gonna get what you earn, same

778
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 10: for home games. We've not gone back into the receiving question.

779
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 10: And Dan, if you go back to June of twenty one,

780
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 10: which was like ancient history in college sports, when the

781
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 10: twelve team model was introduced, and we went back through

782
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 10: this about a month ago with everybody involved on that

783
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 10: management committee, one of the questions was should we be

784
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 10: in receding. We never really got back to that because

785
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 10: you remember, the SEC had this little expansion to sixteen,

786
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 10: great disruption in the forest. Then we had twenty two

787
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 10: in expansion of the big ten. So he waited around

788
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 10: for a year and now we've been in hurry up

789
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 10: mode since. So we haven't talked so much about receding

790
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 10: as we did just about honoring the rankings in the bracket.

791
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Help me understand, you know, the report on Cooper Flag

792
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: as he made close to thirty million dollars is one

793
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: year at Duke. That's that's nil. Help me understand as

794
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: the athlete moves forward of the salaries and nil and

795
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: any restrictions, any compromises that will be there for these

796
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: that's marquee athletes, let's call him.

797
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 10: Without commenting on the Cooper Flag story, I haven't seen that,

798
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 10: and you know, nobody's sending me financial documents to verify.

799
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 10: As you can imagine in this environment.

800
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 5: A couple points.

801
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 10: One is this settlement that's positioned in a set of

802
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 10: lawsuits has great impact on the answer to your question

803
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 10: if the settlement is approved for the first time at

804
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 10: the college level, and really quite innovative in the sports realm,

805
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 10: would be the process for overseeing third party name image

806
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 10: and likeness to establish there's an appropriate range of compensation

807
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 10: and fair market excuse me, in real business purposes fulfilled

808
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 10: around name.

809
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: Image and likeness deals.

810
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 10: That's not like novel, It just hasn't existed as we've

811
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 10: gone on this state by state exploration of kind of

812
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 10: reducing any regulatory system for college sports.

813
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: Nil.

814
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 10: So I think that's a first step, and that's one

815
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 10: component third party name image and likeness. The second is

816
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 10: what I think will be kind of a name image

817
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 10: and likeness activity within a revenue sharing model where athletic

818
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 10: programs are providing that payment directly to student athletes. That

819
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 10: can be a better system. There has to be a

820
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 10: commitment to make it work. And I still am one

821
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 10: who thinks that notion of having fifty different state laws

822
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 10: governing is highly problematic. You're not going to have college

823
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 10: World Series. You can't run Final fours and national championships

824
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 10: that way. You run something more like high school championships,

825
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 10: where every state kind of walls off it's and establishes

826
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 10: its own rules. And I think that has to be

827
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 10: understood as a significant point of concern. That's why the

828
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 10: return of national standards in the congressional conversation still has meaning.

829
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: What would stop me as a businessman if I wanted

830
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: the top quarterback in college football to come to Alabama

831
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: and I want to give him twenty five million dollars

832
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: a year.

833
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 10: Right now, there hasn't been a lot. This is the

834
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 10: states migrate away from any oversight of their own laws

835
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 10: or any regulation. If the settlement is approved, I go

836
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 10: back to that third party oversight, and it would depend

837
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 10: on your classification. Assuming you have some affiliation, you've provided

838
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 10: money donations to the university involved. You then kick into

839
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 10: this third party in aisle oversight, and the ability for

840
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 10: somebody to be deemed at an appropriate real business purpose

841
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 10: and range of compensation level would be involved. And if

842
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 10: it doesn't, there'll be an opportunity to adjust your offer.

843
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: I would love for conferences or maybe there's somebody who

844
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: can be like the NFL has somebody who does this scheduling,

845
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: like I would love. You know, we might lose Notre

846
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: Dame in USC like I'm I don't know, maybe I'm

847
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: the get off my line, the old guy. But you know,

848
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: can you come up with scheduling that we don't lose

849
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Texas versus Oklahoma or whatever? Oklahoma State Oklahoma? I should say,

850
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose these rights. We don't have

851
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 2: many left. And I don't know if college football could

852
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: ever have a schedule overseer. So we do have marquee matchups.

853
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: This is this is entertainment. It's TV non conference. You know,

854
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: what do you think of that?

855
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 10: I think a couple things. Let's go back to the

856
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 10: college football playoffs, so I've been there. Is it being

857
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 10: a plenty kind of side comments about good of the game,

858
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 10: whatever that means. And when programs like when wake Forest

859
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 10: notifies Old Miss the day before their first game of

860
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 10: a home and home series that we're not playing the

861
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 10: one back in Oxford.

862
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 5: That's a problem. When when Nebraska.

863
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 10: Cancels an agreement to play Tennessee home and home and sites,

864
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 10: and I'm not criticizing their athletic director.

865
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: This is a reality.

866
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 10: Cites the college football playoff selection process as a fundamental

867
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 10: reason why we have to understand the college football playoffs

868
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 10: selection process is threatening the regular season, not supporting it.

869
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 10: Remember all those conversations people had about, hey, if you

870
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 10: expand the playoff, you're going to diminish the regular season.

871
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 10: I think there is something to that. I just think

872
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 10: everybody missed that the regular season was being changed by

873
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 10: the college football playoff. So point one is whether people

874
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 10: agree or not. I think the first issue that has

875
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 10: to be addressed is the selection criteria incentivizing playing these

876
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 10: highly competitive, highly desired games, whether that's non conference or conference.

877
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: That's one. The second is I.

878
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 10: Think conferences coming together to facilitate this scheduling is important,

879
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 10: and I'll just take ourselves. We facilitate four end of

880
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 10: year non conference games last week of the season. We've

881
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 10: had schools actually leave our league and come back, and

882
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 10: we facilitated those games when they've wanted to play. So

883
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 10: I think from my perspective, I'm happy for a coordinated

884
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 10: conversation to try to get scheduling right. But I do

885
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 10: think you have to go back to at the forefront

886
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 10: of everyone's mind is how decisions about the postseason are

887
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 10: going to be made.

888
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 7: And that's the.

889
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 10: Point I've made more subtly than of late, and more

890
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 10: directly in the most recent comments, because I do think

891
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 10: that leads the agenda of what must be addressed in

892
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 10: college football scheduling is how this postseason selection guides people's thinking.

893
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: Give me the one thing that keeps you up at

894
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: night that has to do with where we are or

895
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 2: where we're headed.

896
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 10: If I could, if I like, if I could have

897
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 10: one thing to keep me up at night, I'd sleep

898
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 10: like a baby again.

899
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 5: So let's just stipulate that I would be out like

900
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 5: a light.

901
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 10: I wake up every day on issues around the relationship

902
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 10: with our student athletes, and that's both the economic relationship.

903
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 10: I'm concerned about the lifelong impact, about the amount of

904
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 10: money that flows into somebody's life when the motion maturity.

905
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 5: May not be there.

906
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 10: You know, how do you go take a fifty thousand

907
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 10: dollars entry level job and we'd run these ads that

908
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 10: ninety eight percent of the people on the athletic fields

909
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 10: or courts or tracks are going pro and something else.

910
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 10: And you've had your own personal economics or value. How

911
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 10: do you learn those lifelong lessons. I think the transfer

912
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 10: environment is linked to that, perhaps the inability to walk

913
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 10: through some of the difficult moments in life. Hey, it's

914
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 10: not every transfer is a problematic transfer. And I speak

915
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 10: as somebody who transferred a couple of times. You're trying

916
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 10: to figure it out, especially if you're a first generation

917
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 10: college student, Like you don't have somebody pulling you aside

918
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 10: and helping you understand. Hey, maybe if you stick it out,

919
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 10: build your legacy in one place, receive some economic benefit,

920
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 10: have educational and relational continuity, You come out as a

921
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 10: more prepared adult for what's next in life.

922
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 5: The combination of.

923
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 10: Those factors, the economic relationship, the transfer decisions, and then

924
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 10: the lifelong impacts that come from that we're not going

925
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 10: to know for a while. Those are at the top

926
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 10: of what keeps me up at night.

927
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: I propose this well to myself, but on my show

928
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: probably ten years ago, that if you have players who

929
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: are coming to school because they think they're going to

930
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: be a professional athlete, can you have some kind of

931
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: curriculum that helps them with investing, balancing a checkbook, real estate,

932
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: think taxes, things that have to do that. Are you

933
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: know the history of Mesopotamia. While I took the course

934
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: hasn't helped me today. But if you're taking something that

935
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: does prepare you, and college is supposed to prepare you.

936
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: If I go to college and we have, you know,

937
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: some kind of symbiotic relationship of I'm coming to use you,

938
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: you're using me. I don't have any interesting staying in school,

939
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: But can you help them with things that will help

940
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: them in what they want to do?

941
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 10: A few points like I studied the Mesopotamian thing and

942
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 10: had the same reaction. Then I went to the British

943
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 10: Museum and there's a section on Mesopotamia and I'm like, hey,

944
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 10: I read about this when I was fourteen or something

945
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 10: like that. That's one second. I think if it's if

946
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 10: it's only in life, do what you want and not

947
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 10: challenge you to broaden your horizons, I think we lose

948
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 10: an opportunity to help young people grow. So I would

949
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 10: never suggest we just walk away from a broad educational experience. Third,

950
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 10: sure could we pivot and there are plenty of electives,

951
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 10: There are plenty of ways to learn. But our athletics

952
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 10: departments provide pretty deep financial literacy programs. In fact, I've

953
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Speaker 10: debated with current student athletes, like should I not pay

954
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 10: taxes right now on my earnings and wait and paint

955
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 10: at the end of the year and then go into

956
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Speaker 10: quarterly tax payments for kind of ten ninety nine work

957
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Speaker 10: so that I can.

958
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Speaker 5: Invest that money.

959
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 10: I'm talking about nineteen and twenty year olds in business

960
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 10: classes and taking financial literacy classes through their athletics department.

961
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Speaker 10: It's not the lack of provision of education information and

962
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 10: contexts that people involved have to receive that whether it's Mesopotamia,

963
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 10: real estate deals, or how to balance your checkbook, It's

964
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 10: not just that the educational opportunity and the information is provided.

965
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 10: They have a responsibility to understand. They have to consume

966
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 10: that information, internalize it, and muse it. And I would

967
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 10: say too for the people around the student athlete, for

968
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 10: the young person involved in college athletics.

969
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 5: You know, the notion that.

970
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 10: What's happening around nil payments just continues all the way

971
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 10: through life, I think can be kind of a perceived

972
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 10: pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that

973
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 10: it's just going to continue. And I think we all

974
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 10: know that hard work, dedication, perseverance, taking a risk here,

975
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 10: and they're betting on yourself. Those are the things through

976
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 10: the next forty years of life that sets you up

977
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 10: for success, not that defined area between you know, eighteen

978
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 10: and twenty two. In fact, there's a John Grisham novel

979
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 10: called Bleachers about a high school football player. And I'll

980
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 10: paraphrase one of the lines in this novel and hey,

981
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 10: it's a novel, but it's pretty wise. Which is the

982
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 10: worst thing that can happen to somebody, is that become

983
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 10: the biggest deal ever when they're eighteen or nineteen years old,

984
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 10: because there's a whole lifetime ahead of you.

985
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: Big twelve ACC commissioners on your Christmas card list, you guys.

986
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 10: So yeah, Hey, disagreements. Finally, one of my great conversations

987
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 10: a oneth to go. Roy Kramer, who was SEC Commissioner

988
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 10: number six, was telling me stories about going to me

989
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 10: with Jim Delaney and Tom Hanson, who was the PAC

990
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 10: twelve commissioner, and like he said, we walk out of

991
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 10: that room and we hated each other, and then we

992
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 10: went home and we got to work and figured it out.

993
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 10: I think disagreement's absolutely fine. It makes us better. And

994
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 10: I think for the fact that we comment about each other.

995
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 10: We have a conversation as the four of us tomorrow

996
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 10: and yeah, we rub each other all from time or time,

997
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 10: but we do have a responsibility to work together and

998
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 10: I think each each of us understands that responsibility.

999
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: Play nice, Thanks for joining us.

1000
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll go to the sandbox and see what we

1001
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 5: can do.

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00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: And it's Greg Sanki, SEC Commissioner,