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Speaker 1: Been waiting on this bro Come on Man legend in
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Speaker 2: Legend, oh Man legend Legends, yeaho legends.
Speaker 1: General drop the new project in November.
Speaker 3: Talk to us about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the name of the new album is Blockbuster, And
Speaker 4: ironically the name originally came from I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: the obvious with the video staring shit. But q Tip
Speaker 4: one day told me that I should name the album Blockbuster,
Speaker 4: So big up the q Tip from Trip called quest
Speaker 4: Rest of Peace Fife Dog. But the funny shit is
Speaker 4: probably like four or five months later, as I was
Speaker 4: talking to Swiss, he felt like I should name the
Speaker 4: album Blockbuster. Mind you he never talked to q Tip,
Speaker 4: two separate conversations, two different places. Shit, that was like
Speaker 4: the divine shit going on. So I decided to call
Speaker 4: it that. But I think the most incredible part about
Speaker 4: the album is just the love and the support of
Speaker 4: how my bros from twenty five years and better, which
Speaker 4: is Swiss, Timbaland, and Pharrell came together and decided to
Speaker 4: assist me on executive producing the overall project. And that
Speaker 4: shit actually came about from us just chilling on a
Speaker 4: yacht in Miami. Farah, you know, he had a day
Speaker 4: with the family. He was just chilling and he invited
Speaker 4: us to come and pull up. And this was right
Speaker 4: after it was actually wild Swiss was completing dmx last album,
Speaker 4: rest in Piece of the Dog. So we on a
Speaker 4: boat and we listened to DMX album and we about
Speaker 4: four hours into the yacht experience, and I'm looking at
Speaker 4: these motherfuckers and I'm like, none of us going to
Speaker 4: talk about doing a project together. This shit crazy than
Speaker 4: the motherfucker. Like, I ain't gonna sit there looking at
Speaker 4: early on and not at least bringing this shit up,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, my bro's been a
Speaker 4: part of all of my projects at one point or another,
Speaker 4: whether it's two out of the three of them or
Speaker 4: one out of the three of them. And when I
Speaker 4: mentioned it, it started off as an idea to just
Speaker 4: do an EP six joints, two beats from each producer
Speaker 4: and that was it. So then when they gave me
Speaker 4: the six beats, I still felt so much spired that
Speaker 4: I kept working on songs with other artists. And I
Speaker 4: think it was around the time when the first BET
Speaker 4: Awards happened. Post COVID. Motherfuckers ain't get to see each
Speaker 4: other for like two years because all that shit was
Speaker 4: shut down, and I think motherfuckers was just so happy
Speaker 4: to see each other. Everybody was just pulling up on
Speaker 4: each other in each other's studio sessions. And I got
Speaker 4: most of my collab work done for this album during
Speaker 4: that time. So by the time it got to like
Speaker 4: thirty records, I just had so much incredible and eventful moments.
Speaker 4: I would send all of them the joints. Being that
Speaker 4: you know, it was understood that they was going to
Speaker 4: co executive produce the album with me. I wanted them
Speaker 4: to be a part of every decision making process. So
Speaker 4: they was a part of every decision making process, and
Speaker 4: what ended up becoming a body of work was a
Speaker 4: collective decision making. I wouldn't say it was a smooth
Speaker 4: you know. There was a lot of shit like, motherfucker,
Speaker 4: you need to take that one off, be some shit
Speaker 4: that I was married to.
Speaker 5: And be like, get the fuck about it.
Speaker 4: I want to keep this record, and they'd be like,
Speaker 4: nah son saved that for another moment. But it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, these children, these records like your kids. When
Speaker 4: you make these shits. You know what I'm saying, You
Speaker 4: put your time into what you tweak shit, You sit
Speaker 4: and wait until it's the right time to put it out,
Speaker 4: and then you ship with the world.
Speaker 5: So it's like.
Speaker 4: When the project was done, and big up to everybody
Speaker 4: that participated, Quavo and Coiler, Ray and Bea and Chris Brown,
Speaker 4: Shincea Gigs, Blue Vandros, Blast Moray, my Kids, Tea Pain
Speaker 4: did I say the Baby the baby and all of
Speaker 4: the producers. You know, it just really came together as
Speaker 4: a as an incredible body of work of just feel
Speaker 4: good energy, throw the fucking couches around when you win
Speaker 4: the club, swing from the chandeliers, hanging from the ceiling
Speaker 4: and shit, and just have a good time. And I
Speaker 4: felt like it was a great, a great way to
Speaker 4: come after the Extinction Level Event two album because when
Speaker 4: I did that album, we released it in the middle
Speaker 4: of the pandemic that came twenty twenty October, so you know,
Speaker 4: you we were speaking directly to the shit that was
Speaker 4: going on. The motherfuckers was frustrated, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: were looking at the shit you was fighting for with
Speaker 4: George Floyd crazy, and we're looking at the riots and
Speaker 4: the fucking protests, and you know, just to divide with
Speaker 4: the whole shit with the you can't be around motherfuckers
Speaker 4: if you ain't got a mass, you can't be around
Speaker 4: motherfuckers if you ain't got a vaccine shot. It's like
Speaker 4: this shit just felt like segregation again. But once we
Speaker 4: got back outside and motherfucker's just was really appreciative of
Speaker 4: some shit that you take for granted, the little civil
Speaker 4: liberties that motherfuckers really don't think could ever disappear in
Speaker 4: two seconds, you got to really see the joy. And
Speaker 4: in addition to that, for me, I think like I'm
Speaker 4: just at a place in my life where not only
Speaker 4: am I excited that I'm still passionate him, still love
Speaker 4: this shit and will still bust anybody ass and want small,
Speaker 4: but I'm enjoying doing this shit with my children.
Speaker 3: That's different what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's the illest feeling in the planet for me, because
Speaker 4: I remember rocking and missing so much shit. You know,
Speaker 4: when they was young because they couldn't hang out they
Speaker 4: was too small. Now they all grown, they not only
Speaker 4: could hang out and ship, they could actually participate. Because
Speaker 4: my kids they get busy and they I got a
Speaker 4: son into it.
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off all of them into it
Speaker 1: somehow someway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a son that produced that actually taught
Speaker 4: the youngest one how to rhyme because he was rhyming first.
Speaker 4: So the one that rhymes on the song called Legacy
Speaker 4: on the album, my middle son taught him and then
Speaker 4: started to produce instead of being in MC. My oldest
Speaker 4: son is the executive and by the way he he
Speaker 4: he really really made it his business.
Speaker 5: To understand finances.
Speaker 4: So it's like he ended up evolving in such an
Speaker 4: amazing way in that space that he works for Black Rock,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So my daughter plays, I
Speaker 4: got a daughter that plays classical piano. I got a
Speaker 4: daughter that sings. I got a son that rhyme. My
Speaker 4: youngest son he the only one that ain't really too
Speaker 4: much into the music, shiit he he's trying to be
Speaker 4: like y'all, y'all his hero nice with ball and you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He got six six, Yeah, I got six A lot.
Speaker 5: You got.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I want to start the job and in the sixth man,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: How do you feel like you're what what has been
Speaker 1: the what's the process been like from the first to
Speaker 1: the to the latest as far as in the studio
Speaker 1: thought process understanding, you have to continue to evolve to
Speaker 1: stay relevant. You've been in the game thirty plus, yeah
Speaker 1: you know what I mean and still listen to, still respected.
Speaker 1: How has your process evolved each time you've gone in
Speaker 1: and to where you are now?
Speaker 4: I think for like the first four albums, especially because
Speaker 4: they were so conceptually driven. All of the albums are
Speaker 4: conceptually driven like I was and still am always like
Speaker 4: I was raised and not take shit on face value.
Speaker 4: So I'm from the era of when it was cool
Speaker 4: to be smart motherfuckers and the five percent Nation of
Speaker 4: the Gods and Earth was very present. Zu Nation was
Speaker 4: very present, and you know, groups like Public Enemy and
Speaker 4: Daylight and Tribe and Poor Righteous Teachers and x Plan
Speaker 4: was the shit, not just culturally but in the club too,
Speaker 4: So I'm from that shit. So for me, you know,
Speaker 4: reading between the lines and understanding shit that they don't
Speaker 4: show you was the ship that we dug deeper than
Speaker 4: want to get the information on, so approaching shit creatively,
Speaker 4: which is why the albums was called The Coming. And
Speaker 4: when disaster strikes an extinction level e vent, all of
Speaker 4: this shit that's sounding like any of the world shit.
Speaker 4: My process took a lot of research and a lot
Speaker 4: of writing pen to paper, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 4: as time passed, But I always balanced it with making
Speaker 4: sure that I gave you some some just straight heat like.
Speaker 4: It was always a good balance of science and heat.
Speaker 4: But for me, it's obviously easier to do the heat
Speaker 4: shit because it ain't so deep research wise. The evolution
Speaker 4: from then to now for me is the writing stop,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like the time that it
Speaker 4: would take for me to put what I'm good to
Speaker 4: say anyway on the microphone and then put it on
Speaker 4: the paper. I just say it, because if I got
Speaker 4: to say it anyway, to write the shit, you might
Speaker 4: as well just say it and tell an engineer the
Speaker 4: press record, and you're capturing the shit that you're gonna
Speaker 4: write on paper anyway. Plus, I used to get annoyed
Speaker 4: like a motherfucker if I would write a rhyme a
Speaker 4: certain way and I get to like, if it's the
Speaker 4: sixteenth bar verse, I get to like the fourteenth bar,
Speaker 4: and I ain't saying the rhyme over and over. I
Speaker 4: might have forgot the bron pattern flow wise that I
Speaker 4: had for the fourth ball and be mad as a
Speaker 4: motherfucker that I didn't just say it, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So now I got to try to remember
Speaker 4: how I concocted the flow so that the shit just
Speaker 4: would fall in the pocket of the beat the way that.
Speaker 5: I initially pend it.
Speaker 4: So now I just go in the studio now and
Speaker 4: I'll sit here just like this. I'm not standing in
Speaker 4: the mic booth no more. I sit down now. Don't
Speaker 4: get it fucked up. Ain't nothing wrong with my knees, on.
Speaker 1: My age, my back, everything can't wait the twist.
Speaker 4: I'm just cozyting them all for stude. It's like the
Speaker 4: crib now. I don't feel like the workplace no more.
Speaker 4: So that's another thing. It's just having a pleasurable experience
Speaker 4: when I go in now. It's like, if I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm overthinking that shit, I ain't supposed to be
Speaker 4: recording that song no more. I walk away from it,
Speaker 4: and I'll revisit the shit the next day when I'm
Speaker 4: excited about it again. So every song that I'm making
Speaker 4: now is just coming from a good energy space. It's
Speaker 4: like what they call that shit the greatest catch or
Speaker 4: the deadliest catch. Yeah, the TV showing you try to
Speaker 4: catch the grab and shit, it's the same process. I
Speaker 4: just ain't risking my life in no fucking ocean and
Speaker 4: possibly dying falling over in the water and drowning and
Speaker 4: not catching nothing. But yeah, I go in the studio
Speaker 4: and I throw my fishing it in the universe and
Speaker 4: if I catch a vibe, like a motherfucker, and that
Speaker 4: means I caught the most crabbed at night. If I
Speaker 4: don't catch a vibe, I just take my ash back
Speaker 4: to the crib. And you know, I don't look at
Speaker 4: it as a loss because I'm going there with nothing
Speaker 4: in my head.
Speaker 5: Anyway. I let the music in the moment inspired.
Speaker 2: The vibe or what's uh? Was the single with You
Speaker 2: and the Baby? Was that's your first thing the album?
Speaker 5: Nah? That was actually the third.
Speaker 4: Third, okay, because I've seen the video was the first
Speaker 4: one was with A second one was with the Baby
Speaker 4: came with the day of the album release.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The reason why I asked about that because you are
Speaker 2: a big influence on him when he's the way he
Speaker 2: shoot his video absolute a huge, a huge influence.
Speaker 3: Did you ever talk about that, dope?
Speaker 1: The sea is professhing to see because it was once
Speaker 1: you kind of stopped, but to.
Speaker 2: See him on the video together, see how how you
Speaker 2: started it to where it is now, it was beautiful
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I love that it's three generations
Speaker 4: on the song, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And and t Pain.
Speaker 4: You know, he definitely was by my work as well,
Speaker 4: and we've all talked about it. Because they inspire me too,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like the reason why I
Speaker 4: fuck with what they do is because they inspire me
Speaker 4: to keep my blade sharp because I can't accept none
Speaker 4: of them busting my ass on the record, you feel
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So it's like I'm a huge fan
Speaker 4: of what they do. I love how hard they work,
Speaker 4: I love how consistent they are. And they feel like
Speaker 4: we're from the same tribe. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They feel like kin to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So one day the baby was actually I think, looking
Speaker 4: at some videos and minds on a computer and he
Speaker 4: just hit me in the DM and he was showing
Speaker 4: me shit that he was looking at that was my videos.
Speaker 4: And he just sent me a message and was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 4: you one of the biggest inspirations ever than me. When
Speaker 4: they come to this visual shit, you said the standard
Speaker 4: thank you so much, man, and I just felt like,
Speaker 4: you know, for me, when it was my turn to
Speaker 4: finally get the shot, I just didn't want to. I
Speaker 4: ain't want to be one of those dudes that the
Speaker 4: error influenced us. Like you had to be different from
Speaker 4: the next motherfucker. You wasn't allowed to bite somebody else shit,
Speaker 4: look like somebody else shit, sound like somebody else shit.
Speaker 4: And you know, when I was younger, I was a
Speaker 4: cartoon fanatic, so the animations and shit, and I would
Speaker 4: watch whether it was Tom and Jerry or some woody
Speaker 4: woodpecker shit, or Bugs Bunny or whatever the fuck, Transformers Voltron.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at all this shit and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: if I was one of them niggas, how would I
Speaker 4: do it? Then I get in front of that camera
Speaker 4: and I would create my way of doing whatever I
Speaker 4: felt if I had the opportunity to do it when
Speaker 4: I was watching they shit, what would I do? And
Speaker 4: that's how the videos came, Like put your hands on
Speaker 4: minds could see I'm looking at the Coming to America shit.
Speaker 5: I'm like, if I was Eddie Murphy. I do it
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 4: Lead the weapon and ship we did the Dangerous video.
Speaker 4: I paint my face like the white dude, like but
Speaker 4: what's his name again? Like if I was this motherfucker,
Speaker 4: this is the way I would do it. The Janet
Speaker 4: Jackson video terminated too with the liquid robot. If I
Speaker 4: was that motherfucker, this is the way I would do it.
Speaker 4: So this is how the ideas would come. I'm just
Speaker 4: a big movie and TV buff. I'm inspired a lot
Speaker 4: by other ship that's happening and entertainment, and I think
Speaker 4: that's the beauty of the art. Like we all should
Speaker 4: be able to inspire each other. If you contributing great.
Speaker 3: Ship, you rap like you rapp into for a score
Speaker 3: of a movie.
Speaker 5: Thank you, bro.
Speaker 2: That's that's because when you when your videos, when you
Speaker 2: make your videos, it seems like the way you rap
Speaker 2: and you rapping like to to put it into visions,
Speaker 2: you know, for people to see it, Like everything you
Speaker 2: write is for a video.
Speaker 5: Thank you, bro.
Speaker 4: And I try to do it that way because I'm
Speaker 4: want you to see what I'm saying. Even if I
Speaker 4: don't get a chance to shoot a visual for it.
Speaker 4: We can't shoot a video for every song, especially the
Speaker 4: way my shitch was costing. I was breaking the motherfucking
Speaker 4: bed every time we shot some shit. So it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, for the shit that I can't get around
Speaker 4: the shooting, I want to make sure that even when
Speaker 4: I get to perform it on stage, I can sell
Speaker 4: that shit visually in the illus way live because I'm
Speaker 4: painting these pictures through the bars that I can actually
Speaker 4: deliver in my performance and you get the chance to
Speaker 4: see the shit whether I'm performing live or you get
Speaker 4: to see it from what you're hearing. And I really
Speaker 4: got inspired in that way by nw A. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like that's straight out of Compton and
Speaker 4: the Niggas for Life album. When I listen to those albums,
Speaker 4: those was the first albums where I actually thought I
Speaker 4: was watching a movie when I listened to it, from
Speaker 4: the way they did their skits to the way Dre
Speaker 4: would mix shit, and you know how in the movie
Speaker 4: sometimes when you're sitting in that motherfucker and you hear
Speaker 4: some ship that happened on one speaker, and then when
Speaker 4: the car drive past, you hear the shit pan over
Speaker 4: to the next speaker, Like the Nigga dre Be doing
Speaker 4: that ship in his mixes at a time when motherfuckers
Speaker 4: wasn't doing it. So I just thought this motherfucker was
Speaker 4: on some real what's this dude that he scores movies
Speaker 4: and he does I forget his.
Speaker 1: Hans Zimmer first, guess Hans.
Speaker 5: Fucking Zimmer d word.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I try to create that and paint that
Speaker 4: picture for the people so they just get to enjoy.
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure that the shit ain't
Speaker 4: being done in vain. I'm not one of them motherfuckershere.
Speaker 4: I'm just making it for me. I could do this
Speaker 4: shit and sit in the crib and play rewind on
Speaker 4: fucking day and listen to it myself. If I'm just
Speaker 4: making it for me, I'm making it for the planet.
Speaker 5: I want to.
Speaker 4: Affect motherfuckers in the whole world with the shit that
Speaker 4: I might catch a blunt munchie behind bowl of cereal.
Speaker 4: You know that this I did right here that was
Speaker 4: inspired by this blunt munchie.
Speaker 5: Fucked the whole planet up.
Speaker 3: Shook the world.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Your style, your energy, your tempo, where did that come from?
Speaker 4: The combination of it came from absolutely hip hop. You
Speaker 4: know hip hop was the first art that I actually
Speaker 4: fell in love with. I wanted to do everything in
Speaker 4: that motherfucker. I was able to break dance. I was
Speaker 4: nice at that, I was nice at popping, I was
Speaker 4: I was iight with the graffiti shit, I was iight
Speaker 4: with the DJ shit. And then when I was forced
Speaker 4: to rhyme, circumstantially, I think those circumstances forced me to
Speaker 4: become a dangerous motherfucker lyrically.
Speaker 5: And I think.
Speaker 4: Prior to the hip hop shit, which I'll get back to,
Speaker 4: why circumstantially I was forced to rhyme, but I think
Speaker 4: a lot of what I ended up incorporating and my
Speaker 4: being an artist as an MC repping hip hop was dance,
Speaker 4: tall culture, and my Jamaican upbringing. Because before I was
Speaker 4: even starting to rhyme, you know, my family's Jamaican. So
Speaker 4: in order for me to go outside or do shit,
Speaker 4: you gotta do certain things to earn your right to
Speaker 4: being able to go out the crab. You gotta clean
Speaker 4: your motherfucking bedroom. You gotta spread your bed, you gotta
Speaker 4: you gotta do your homework. You gotta make sure all
Speaker 4: the little chores and shit in the crab is done,
Speaker 4: and the way that I would pass the time doing
Speaker 4: shit like that was always listening to the music that
Speaker 4: my moms and my pops had in a crib. In
Speaker 4: the crab, they used to always have the illess collection
Speaker 4: of Jamaica music, R and B. Shit you don't do
Speaker 4: American shit, you probably find in the cred was Kenny Rodgers,
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson, and motherfucking maybe some jazz shit right. Other
Speaker 4: than that, everything was Bob Marley and Dennis Brown and
Speaker 4: Big Youth in Michigan and Smiley and like these is
Speaker 4: all like legendary whalers, the whalers, these is legendary Jamaican
Speaker 4: and reggae artists. I'm listening to this shit left and
Speaker 4: right while I'm trying to do the shit that I
Speaker 4: needed to do so I could go outside to fuck
Speaker 4: with the homies. So between that and then as I
Speaker 4: got older and I started to watch like the sound
Speaker 4: clashes in dance halls, which was like battles right, and
Speaker 4: you would see Shopper Ranks and super Cat and they
Speaker 4: had a dude named Papa San and another dude named
Speaker 4: Lieutenant Stitchy. Them two was actually the first dudes I
Speaker 4: ever really heard due the speed rap shit. This was
Speaker 4: in eighty six. They had a battle at this shit
Speaker 4: called Sting, and these motherfuckers was going so crazy with
Speaker 4: the speed rap that that's where I first seen it
Speaker 4: and tried it. This was nineteen eighty six, Like you
Speaker 4: could google it right now. Papastan versus Lieutenant Stitchy. Actually,
Speaker 4: there's an artist that's out right now that works very
Speaker 4: closely with cooland Dre and Hitmaker.
Speaker 5: His name is Bean.
Speaker 4: That's Papasan's son, and he's nice, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But Papa San and Lieutenant Stitchy was the first two
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen speed rap ninety six. I ended
Speaker 4: up trying that shit in ninety three on the Second
Speaker 4: Leader's album on a song called Dealy Vermanda, And that's
Speaker 4: the first time I ever did a speed rap. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that was the term, because I don't
Speaker 4: remember calling a speed rap. But it wasn't called on
Speaker 4: regular rap shit neither, you know regular, It wasn't no
Speaker 4: real name for it. It was just could you do this?
Speaker 4: And I was getting busy, but I wasn't at the
Speaker 4: level that I eventually evolved into now. But it was
Speaker 4: really just a combination of the dance soul shit. Because
Speaker 4: when you would watch a shopper during those days in
Speaker 4: the eighties, it's a straight rhagonomics that all the crack
Speaker 4: being sold of me wearing a hood. And you would
Speaker 4: see these motherfuckers on these DVDs or these videotapes, and
Speaker 4: we would cut school and go to these hookie parties
Speaker 4: and we would go and see the motherfucking bootleggers that
Speaker 4: were selling these ships on the street and East Flat
Speaker 4: was Brooklyn, and we would get these ships. We'd get
Speaker 4: our a little twenty bag of chocolate townweed. Niggas is rolling,
Speaker 4: they shit up and the slowest burning cigar, and you
Speaker 4: in the crib and we at the hookie parties and
Speaker 4: fucking around with the homies, We fucking around with the chicks,
Speaker 4: were watching these shits on the videotape, we smoking everybody bugging.
Speaker 4: You would see these dudes perform. They kicking their feet
Speaker 4: all over the place, they throwing their hands all over
Speaker 4: the place, they wearing mad colorful shit, custom linen shit,
Speaker 4: big jewelry hanging down to their shin bone. So all
Speaker 4: of that shit that you see Slick Rick doing come
Speaker 4: from his Jamaican upbringing. Even though he was born in England.
Speaker 4: Slick Rick Moms is Jamaican. My mother and my father's Jamaican.
Speaker 4: A lot of my family live in England too, But
Speaker 4: that's that Jamaican shit, that's that dance hall shit. Cool
Speaker 4: herk was a Jamaican, is a Jamaican. Excuse me, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So I think that the dance
Speaker 4: hall culture and hip hop is kind of like brothers
Speaker 4: in a sense. But yeah, the hip hop shit is
Speaker 4: what gave birth to bust and rhymes, and I incorporated
Speaker 4: everything else that made me who I am culturally and
Speaker 4: morally and principally and integrity based into the shit that
Speaker 4: I did. And I just always wanted the motherfuckering have
Speaker 4: fun and get people that feel good energy. So I
Speaker 4: was always known for the while out because I was
Speaker 4: the same way at the hookiy party. I was the
Speaker 4: same way in school, was the same way in the
Speaker 4: block when we was hustling with the homies. I was
Speaker 4: the same way all the time. Make motherfuckers laugh. I
Speaker 4: always every every gangster movie, but there was Scarface and
Speaker 4: good Fellas. One of the most dangerous niggas was the
Speaker 4: niggas that made you laugh. Joe Peshy made niggas laugh.
Speaker 4: He was a loose fucking cannon scarface. He made you laugh.
Speaker 3: Gom here Pelican, Pelican, Pelican to.
Speaker 4: Y ass up though, So you know, I was always
Speaker 4: intrigued by the gangster that had a sense of humor,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I was around a
Speaker 4: lot of motherfuckers that was doing shit that other people
Speaker 4: might have classified or categorized its terrorism. But those were
Speaker 4: the same dudes that raised us. Those were the same
Speaker 4: dudes that taught us integrity. They taught us respect. When
Speaker 4: the parents got off the school bus, I mean the
Speaker 4: public transportation, whether it was the B thirty five on
Speaker 4: Church Ave in Detroit or it is you know, the subway.
Speaker 4: You see moms, you know, walking up the block with
Speaker 4: the shopping bags and you blowing tree, nigga, put your
Speaker 4: weed out, homie. Put the cigarette out, homie, and don't
Speaker 4: curse when she walked past us. So you better help
Speaker 4: her with the shopping bags too, And if you don't,
Speaker 4: we're gonna fuck you up when we take upstairs and
Speaker 4: we come back outside. So that shit was important, like
Speaker 4: they was crazy to many, but it was very civilized
Speaker 4: to us, and it was the same dudes that if
Speaker 4: it ain't have nothing better to offer, they was gonna
Speaker 4: guide you while you was doing your dirt too. But
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if they seen that
Speaker 4: you had potential to do some good shit, the motherfuckers
Speaker 4: would be encouraging you to go over there and do
Speaker 4: your good shit. Stay away from this shit because you
Speaker 4: might be the one that saved the rest of our asses.
Speaker 4: That you get it, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: all of that shit combined is what made the buster
Speaker 4: Mom's energy that the people ended up getting and continues
Speaker 4: to receive.
Speaker 2: High school you crossed, Big jay Z special Ed talk
Speaker 2: about that high school experience, all them legens in one vicinity.
Speaker 4: Man, it was two different schools. Me special led chip
Speaker 4: Fuol from food Schnickings. We was in a school called
Speaker 4: Tilden High School in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. Me Bigg and
Speaker 4: jay Z went to George Westernhouse Technical and Vocational High
Speaker 4: School that was downtown Brooklyn. I went to Tilden after Westernhouse.
Speaker 4: So my mom's I was getting in trouble when I
Speaker 4: was eleven or twelve in Brooklyn, so she decided to
Speaker 4: take me to Long Island when I got to Long Island.
Speaker 4: That's when I met leaders of the new school. By
Speaker 4: the time I turned fifteen, my mother wanted to move
Speaker 4: to Florida. I ain't want to go, so my mom's
Speaker 4: and my pops had a divorce. My pop stayed in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: I moved back to my father's crab. When I moved
Speaker 4: back to my father's crab, where my father lived was
Speaker 4: in the school district where Tilden was. But because my
Speaker 4: father is a licensed electrical contractor, he wanted me to
Speaker 4: go to a trade school, so he ended up for
Speaker 4: naggling it so I could go to George Westernhouse Technical
Speaker 4: and Vocational High School because it was a trade school
Speaker 4: and he wanted me to learn his trade. He wasn't
Speaker 4: supportive of the rap shit at the time, because you know,
Speaker 4: it's old Jamaican father. He on some fuck that rap shit.
Speaker 4: There ain't no future in that. You're gonna learn his trade.
Speaker 4: And I'm the oldest of the two kids that he had,
Speaker 4: me and my younger brother. But he was in his head,
Speaker 4: you know, I guess, feeling like he's doing the thing
Speaker 4: that worked for him. It provided a stability for him
Speaker 4: to provide for the family, and he know this, so
Speaker 4: if I learn it, whether I like it or not,
Speaker 4: at least I got some shit to fall back on
Speaker 4: if whatever else I'm trying to do don't work, I
Speaker 4: ain't appreciate that shit till later on, you feel me.
Speaker 4: So that led to a lot of conflict with me
Speaker 4: and my pops. While I'm in school at Westernhouse. Big
Speaker 4: wasn't Roman in school, but he was rhyming. Dangerous motherfucker.
Speaker 4: He just wasn't doing it in school for niggas to
Speaker 4: knew what was going on. Biggie was bubbling a little
Speaker 4: weed in school.
Speaker 5: Hole.
Speaker 4: We knew he was rhyming because he was already putting
Speaker 4: joints out with the originators, and everybody was getting to
Speaker 4: the little hustle money. Remember it's the eighties, so it's
Speaker 4: very economics. Ever, so we was all getting to that,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And you know again, one day,
Speaker 4: me and Hove, I don't know how it got put together,
Speaker 4: but somebody mentioned battle on some speed rap shit. I'm
Speaker 4: gassed thinking that I could fuck with it a little
Speaker 4: bit because I'm seeing this Papa San and this Lieutenant
Speaker 4: Stitchy shit, and I'm already practicing this shit a little
Speaker 4: bit in the crib, but I wasn't really ready to
Speaker 4: display it. But again I still wasn't. I wasn't concerned
Speaker 4: with none of that. I was with whatever smokers, So
Speaker 4: me and who we go, We do our battle thing
Speaker 4: and I took the l that day. That moment is
Speaker 4: what turned me into the motherfucker that nobody don't want
Speaker 4: it with now. Hope don't want to give me no remssage,
Speaker 4: not on the.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: But Hope was always just. He was always a fly
Speaker 4: motherfucker in school.
Speaker 5: Like he.
Speaker 4: From the jewelry game to the clothes. He was always flying.
Speaker 4: He was always smart past his classes. He wasn't fucking around,
Speaker 4: and you know he got to the bread even though
Speaker 4: he was on his job with his school shit. Biggie,
Speaker 4: same shit, everybody was on their shit. I ended up
Speaker 4: dropping out of school because my opportunity came. I was seventeen,
Speaker 4: and my moms came back from Florida because she heard
Speaker 4: what I was doing in the street and she didn't
Speaker 4: want it to be a guilt that she felt she
Speaker 4: was living with if something happened to me, because she
Speaker 4: bounced and let me stay. You know that mother's maternal
Speaker 4: instinct ship, you know what I'm saying. So she ended
Speaker 4: up coming back and I moved back to Long Island.
Speaker 4: But before I moved back to Long Island, I went
Speaker 4: to Tilden and I got with Special Led and Chip Full.
Speaker 4: Special Lead was the first one to put the records
Speaker 4: out though, and Special Lead was that fly motherfucking.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 5: The Redskin.
Speaker 4: And he had the chase was on him and he
Speaker 4: got busy with his pen and he had the most
Speaker 4: legendary producer at the time, which was hit Man.
Speaker 5: How We tea like you couldn't with Howie T.
Speaker 4: Howie T was doing everything U TFO shit, chub rock shit,
Speaker 4: real rock, saying shit. It was just everything that was
Speaker 4: scorching was Howie T and Special Led. He was the
Speaker 4: youngest in charge at the time, and it was just
Speaker 4: incredible to be around all of it because these these
Speaker 4: motherfuckers that was getting it Hove and Special Led. Hove
Speaker 4: wasn't doing solo shit yet, you know, he was rocking
Speaker 4: with Jazzo and with the Originator Originators. But when when
Speaker 4: Special Led came with his solo shit, it really made
Speaker 4: this belief and this dream that much more tangible to
Speaker 4: me because I wanted that shit so fucking bad. How's
Speaker 4: a little nigga? I was staying at this babysitter when
Speaker 4: my mom used to work nights. Her name was on Mitzi.
Speaker 4: She had a son named Alfonso. This nigga was one
Speaker 4: of the Illis graffiti artists ever. So in the night
Speaker 4: he would go and bomb the subway, but I would
Speaker 4: watch him for pear in the crab before he would leave.
Speaker 4: Some motherfucker would get these like shoe remember the roll
Speaker 4: on the shoe polysies that you would shake and it
Speaker 4: had to brush on it and wipe it on your
Speaker 4: church sneaks your ship before you go to church. This motherfucker.
Speaker 4: And remember when you used to ride on the subways
Speaker 4: and used to see the tags on the subways with
Speaker 4: the thick magic markers and the shit would drip and
Speaker 4: drive with the drip. So he created those some shoe
Speaker 4: polush bottles where he would take a chuck board eraser
Speaker 4: and you know in the chuck boardy racer got like
Speaker 4: five strips of the felt for you to erase the chuck.
Speaker 4: He would rip a strip of that ship off and
Speaker 4: bend it. Niggas squeeze that ship and take the brush
Speaker 4: off the shoe polus. He squeezed it in the motherfucking
Speaker 4: shoe pilars, put the top back on, shake it, use
Speaker 4: the shoe polus as the ink, and then he had
Speaker 4: the That's how he made the fact tip magic marker.
Speaker 4: Now I'm watching this motherfucker do that. This is hip
Speaker 4: hop in front of me, so I'm watching him doing this.
Speaker 4: And back then, they had this radio station called WHBI,
Speaker 4: and on WHBI it was Africa Islam from the Zulu nation.
Speaker 4: Red Alert would spin on there. The Supreme team who
Speaker 4: made Buffalo Gals was on that shit. And this shit
Speaker 4: would come on from like two to five in the morning.
Speaker 4: So a lot of motherfuckers ain't know that station was
Speaker 4: coming on at that time. So I'm so hyped to
Speaker 4: see what Fonzo would come back with story wise and
Speaker 4: picture wise, because they used to take pictures of the
Speaker 4: shit that they was doing. I would stay up and
Speaker 4: I would make my pause tapes. Sometimes they would play
Speaker 4: their battles with the Cold Crush Brothers against the Furious Five,
Speaker 4: or the Cold Rush against the Foursome Seeds, the Kumo
Speaker 4: d Battle against Busy b and these battles was being
Speaker 4: played live from the actual battle themselves, so you would
Speaker 4: hit the crowd in the background and the whole shit.
Speaker 4: You know, I was too young to be in the
Speaker 4: street hustling shit because at the time, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: like fucking nine, ten years old. I'm at the babysit
Speaker 4: or whatever. But still I want to come to school
Speaker 4: with the Pumas and Adidas on my nigga. I'm lying
Speaker 4: when I make the pause tape, and when I played
Speaker 4: this shit in school for motherfuckers, motherfuckers will be.
Speaker 5: Like, yo, how you get that used to a nigga?
Speaker 5: I was dead. I was dead nigga.
Speaker 4: My cousin stuck me in there and son, you want
Speaker 4: to copy five dollars? And I was selling in the
Speaker 4: hustle these tapes that I was making from this underground
Speaker 4: station until I had enough Puma and Adida's money. And
Speaker 4: that's how I kind of school on my fresh shit.
Speaker 4: That's that was the start of my hustler mentality. But
Speaker 4: you know, going to school with Big and Hole and
Speaker 4: going to school with Chip Full and Special led that
Speaker 4: shit was really dope for me because I was able
Speaker 4: to witness first hand that under eighteen motherfuckers was getting
Speaker 4: to it bad, doing and driving their own fly ship
Speaker 4: to school and read up in school, and because moms
Speaker 4: had to sign they deals, bro because they wasn't eighteen,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So that's what it was
Speaker 4: for me. It was just being fortunate enough to be
Speaker 4: at the right place, at the right time and around
Speaker 4: the right motherfuckers, like a.
Speaker 3: Magical time, good old day, early nineties.
Speaker 2: Would you say the African Medallion movement around that time,
Speaker 2: how do you.
Speaker 3: Feel the state of hip hop got like that?
Speaker 2: And do you think it'd ever get back to that
Speaker 2: point where it's so much unity and hip hop like
Speaker 2: it was around that time.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say.
Speaker 4: H Yeah, it's definitely hard to say, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I don't know if it'll ever
Speaker 4: get back to that unless they allow the success to
Speaker 4: lead as an example in that way that will attract
Speaker 4: motherfuckers to follow the win, because motherfucker is only attracted
Speaker 4: to the win. So it's acting like a savage is winning.
Speaker 4: Motherfucker's going or followed being savage because they feel like
Speaker 4: that's the way they gonna win. Like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 4: I come from the era when it was cool to
Speaker 4: be smart, you know.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So having knowledge itself was important. That's why you had
Speaker 4: brand Nubian and ex Clan and like Kim Shabbaz and
Speaker 4: Poor Righteous Teachers and Public Enemy And you would hear
Speaker 4: all of these records on the radio say it was
Speaker 4: so cool to be smooth, to be smart. Then nig
Speaker 4: Guy's cube went from being a gangster to becoming a Muslim,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And even though he always
Speaker 4: wrapped his gangster shit, even with that, you know, he
Speaker 4: he felt comfortable enough repping something that was a direct
Speaker 4: exemplification of being a civilized motherfucking man. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think Public Enemy and they success had a lot
Speaker 4: to do with that, and Rock Kim, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, and and Wu Tang and you know the
Speaker 4: presence of dudes with knowledge yourself was super strong. And
Speaker 4: I think that in addition to that shit being cool,
Speaker 4: it was cool because it was also a success. Motherfuckers
Speaker 4: was able to put platinum records on the wall. Being smart.
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers was able to get rich being smart, King King Asiatic,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like and motherfuckers wasn't oding
Speaker 4: on drugs and going to jail, right, And we wasn't
Speaker 4: beefing a lot of motherfuckers at the time. We was
Speaker 4: just you ain't really hear about no beef, and if
Speaker 4: there was a beef, motherfuckers addressed each other because you
Speaker 4: ain't have no choice. It wasn't no pop shit through
Speaker 4: the gram because it wasn't no social media. You had
Speaker 4: to be a little more mindful of what you said
Speaker 4: because you can run into a motherfucker get your shit
Speaker 4: broke for real, you know what I'm saying. The accountability
Speaker 4: was serious, so it was it was you thought before
Speaker 4: you spoke. Nowadays, obviously, the difference is you don't got
Speaker 4: to earn your right to passage to be heard. We
Speaker 4: had to earn that shit back in the day. And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it was better then, because there's
Speaker 4: a lot of shit that's happening now that you can
Speaker 4: benefit from in a way that we wasn't able to
Speaker 4: back then, too, you know what I mean. I just
Speaker 4: think that the evolution and being in tune with the
Speaker 4: evolution and taking the best from the evolution, and being
Speaker 4: swift and changeable in order to stay remainable is what
Speaker 4: we ultimately got to do, because if you stay in
Speaker 4: the same way in any situation, or you get stagged
Speaker 4: and or stuck, you ain't growing no more. Anything that
Speaker 4: ain't growing no more is dead. So we got to
Speaker 4: take the good with the bad. You know, I do
Speaker 4: think it can happen. I just think we had another
Speaker 4: Lauren Hill moment where the shit she did and how
Speaker 4: successful it was doing what she did, and it wasn't
Speaker 4: a bunch of none of the shit that we see
Speaker 4: that's happening. And I ain't knocking nobody. But if we
Speaker 4: had another one of those moments right now that could
Speaker 4: do the numbers that she did now without having to
Speaker 4: do the shit that girls feel like they got to
Speaker 4: do now in order to get them numbers, you see
Speaker 4: a chollion in them starting to follow her as because
Speaker 4: what she did was so magical and it was done
Speaker 4: without having to exploit shit that could eventually be used
Speaker 4: against you with time. So I don't rule out the
Speaker 4: possibility of nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I just know.
Speaker 4: All you could do is your part, and you hope
Speaker 4: your part is a significant enough contribution and influence to
Speaker 4: make a couple of motherfuckers want to do it. The
Speaker 4: way you did it, but still make it their own.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Who were your rap influences? I knew you said you
Speaker 2: was big fans of LLL and Slick Rick.
Speaker 4: LLL was the dude that made me write my first rhym. Circumstantially,
Speaker 4: I was getting disrespected by the c Brown from leaders
Speaker 4: of the New school when I first started the rhyme.
Speaker 4: I went to Junior High School in Long Island when
Speaker 4: we first moved out there, and you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of parents felt like going to the Long Island side
Speaker 4: of suburbs was the way to get your kids out
Speaker 4: of the trouble making mischief they was finding for themselves
Speaker 4: in the hood, whether they was from Bronx, Queen Staten Island, Brooklyn, whatever.
Speaker 4: They slid us all along island. You fucked around and
Speaker 4: got the Long Island. You ended up being around a
Speaker 4: bunch of the same motherfuckers from the hood anyway, So
Speaker 4: you ain't escape shit. You ain't escape shit. So you
Speaker 4: out there and brown. You know, when a new kid
Speaker 4: from the hood king of the island at the time,
Speaker 4: like they would be little rumblings about the new motherfucker
Speaker 4: from the hood. So at the time I was getting
Speaker 4: the rumbling and brown. Obviously, he ain't want the attention
Speaker 4: to be taken from him. He was he a Queen's kid,
Speaker 4: I'm a Brooklyn kid. He started rhyming in the schoolyard
Speaker 4: after school one day. I want to be in a
Speaker 4: circle of hip hop niggas, so I go over there.
Speaker 4: I started beatboxing for him. Small fucker started dissing me
Speaker 4: while I was beatboxing.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, he.
Speaker 1: Was on your beat, expected to sit out of me.
Speaker 4: So I'm doing the beat for the small fucker and
Speaker 4: he blacking on me because he wanted to make sure
Speaker 4: that people see the new kid from Brooklyn. Ain't that dude.
Speaker 4: I'm that dude. I ain't had no raps for his
Speaker 4: ass that day. And I'm fucked up because I'm like,
Speaker 4: do I stop doing the beat while this niggas or
Speaker 4: do I just keep doing the beat and not be
Speaker 4: on no party poop and shit. So I kept doing
Speaker 4: the beat. I kept it cool. I looked at him
Speaker 4: after he try to dap me talking about he was
Speaker 4: just joking, nah my nigga, IM gonna see you.
Speaker 5: The mom went home.
Speaker 4: I started listening to mad ll shit and then I
Speaker 4: wrote this rhyme called polse rate and when I wrote
Speaker 4: that rhyme, that rhyme was the rhym. I came back
Speaker 4: the next day and I lost his ass immediately. He
Speaker 4: wanted to be in the same crew, and you won't
Speaker 4: get down with me. You what I'm saying you. So
Speaker 4: we ended up forming a crew. There was a third
Speaker 4: of them, see by the name of Mystery, that was
Speaker 4: down with us. This was before Dinko. Mystery was in
Speaker 4: the street. He was hustling by two years passed by,
Speaker 4: were trying to figure out how to get on. He
Speaker 4: ain't had a patience. He like, fuck this rap shit.
Speaker 4: Brown found Dinko, brought Dinko to me. I liked with
Speaker 4: Dinko was doing, and we ended up agreeing to just
Speaker 4: become the group. Malo, which is the DJ, is my
Speaker 4: mother's sister's son, so he's my first blood cousin brought
Speaker 4: him in to be the DJ, but eventually he wanted
Speaker 4: to rhyme too, so it became the four of us,
Speaker 4: and I think we didn't start showcasing Malo Karam until
Speaker 4: we got to scenario remix, and then when we got
Speaker 4: that look, it was like fuck that I ain't turning back.
Speaker 4: I like this shine of being in the front as
Speaker 4: opposed to being in the back with the two turntables.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's that's that that that.
Speaker 4: Llo influence was important. Slick Rick was one of my
Speaker 4: greatest influences. Rock Kim, he pm D, Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 4: and I say that, oh, Chuck D is my greatest influence.
Speaker 4: He gave me my name, He gave us the name
Speaker 4: leaders of the New School. He taught me everything, like
Speaker 4: he's like my big brother and my father when they
Speaker 4: came to this rap shit. So I was raised by
Speaker 4: some of the most increable motherfuckers and they used to
Speaker 4: let me come pull up on them like I could
Speaker 4: come to their crib and ask questions, ride around in
Speaker 4: their cars and ask questions, come to their studio sessions
Speaker 4: and ask questions. Big So they really really embraced and
Speaker 4: we were just always super respectful and humbled and grateful
Speaker 4: to be around them. And we showed them that you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and I mean, any other act
Speaker 4: was blasphemous. You try to disrespect a grandmotherfucking a grand
Speaker 4: master and the shit you you was playing yourself. So
Speaker 4: you know, again, being fortunate enough to be around the
Speaker 4: right places, right time, right people. Never even know when
Speaker 4: you was ever gonna meet these motherfuckers when they was
Speaker 4: just your inspirations and you meet them and sometimes you know,
Speaker 4: they say, don't meet some of your heroes because they
Speaker 4: might let you down. And shit, not one of them
Speaker 4: ever let me down.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They gave me the nourishment I needed to just become
Speaker 4: greater and great there and to this day, I baked
Speaker 4: them up. I pull up on them. I'm finding something
Speaker 4: that we could do together, and that shit ain't never
Speaker 4: gonna stop.
Speaker 2: Tribe called quest take us through a studio session with
Speaker 2: you and the brothers.
Speaker 5: Okay, so.
Speaker 4: I got them mother st So some of the funniest
Speaker 4: stories would be like, say, you go to the studio
Speaker 4: with Q tip, this is the ship that I do
Speaker 4: rest in peace fight all the time because.
Speaker 5: Fife Fife dog.
Speaker 4: It was kind of like, you know, like when you
Speaker 4: would ask your moms if you could do some ship
Speaker 4: and she say no, and then you go ask your
Speaker 4: your father and he'd say yes, and then you you
Speaker 4: act like you ain't never had a conversation with your
Speaker 4: mom at all about it, and then that ship might
Speaker 4: get them to a little argument. I used to play
Speaker 4: fife and q Tip like that, so I ended up
Speaker 4: on mad Tribe songs because I don't think people realize
Speaker 4: how important q tip is on the East Coast. Q
Speaker 4: Tip is like the East Coast Doctor Dre. So many
Speaker 4: artists and people came through q Tip that if we
Speaker 4: was all signed to q Tip, q Tip would be
Speaker 4: the East Coast Doctor Dre financially because all of us
Speaker 4: mean most deaf D'Angelo tribe, so many different things came
Speaker 4: through q Tip, and he justever was interested in signing nobody,
Speaker 4: which was admirable at the time. I think that shit
Speaker 4: crazy than the motherfucker signed everybody because we all grew
Speaker 4: through his, his tuteligion, his knowledge for music, his production's ability.
Speaker 4: So every time you go to a tribe session, q
Speaker 4: Tip got the Illis beats on the board him and
Speaker 4: Ali Shahid if he didn't like the beat. And at
Speaker 4: the time, motherfuckers is recording on two inch tape reels. Right,
Speaker 4: It ain't like pro tools where you know you could
Speaker 4: you could record ninety nine tracks worth of shit and
Speaker 4: not erase nothing. You get your twenty four tracks worth
Speaker 4: the shit you record that shit on the two inch
Speaker 4: tape reel, and if you don't keep that shit in
Speaker 4: the right temperature, the tape could get brittle and be destroyed.
Speaker 4: Right this motherfucker Q tip would be called the Illis
Speaker 4: Beat and then if he didn't like it, he would
Speaker 4: erased the ship off the reel. Niggae one man trash
Speaker 4: is another motherfucking man treasure. If you ain't like it,
Speaker 4: give the ship the bus rhymes Dade, let me fuck
Speaker 4: the beat up. But he wouldn't. He wouldn't, he wouldn't
Speaker 4: listen to that. So every time leaders had an argument,
Speaker 4: because after scenario I became like one of the most
Speaker 4: sought after dudes for features. Everybody wanted that dungeon dragon
Speaker 4: shit on their songs, So it started to create a
Speaker 4: little conflict internally with leaders. With me and Brown Dinko
Speaker 4: was always fine with it, and the understanding amongst the
Speaker 4: crew was, Yo, no matter who get a feature, get
Speaker 4: on that motherfucker record, shout the crew l n s,
Speaker 4: and then go pop your shit. The more the more
Speaker 4: features we do between the three of us, the more
Speaker 4: we promoting the click. But everybody, as much as they
Speaker 4: said cool to that, it wasn't cool to them if
Speaker 4: they wasn't getting the same amount of feature looks that
Speaker 4: I was getting. Long story short. Every time we get
Speaker 4: into an argument, I would pune to motherfucking tribe session,
Speaker 4: but I would always hit Q tip. So a couple
Speaker 4: of times the nigga Q tip be like, nah, that's
Speaker 4: a private session. I'd be like, yeah, right, nigga fight.
Speaker 4: Flip right down the block from Q tip, I go
Speaker 4: to fife crab fight.
Speaker 5: What up, brother?
Speaker 4: What you doing going to the studio? All right, I'm
Speaker 4: coming with you. Come on bus. I ain't telling nigga
Speaker 4: nothing about what happened with me and Q Tip. I
Speaker 4: get right in the studio session. Nigga q tips see me.
Speaker 4: Nigga just look at me with the frown. Nigga turned
Speaker 4: on the beat. I'm here, what we gonna do? Turn
Speaker 4: the beat on? And then I would end up on shit,
Speaker 4: Oh my god scenario. Well, we was all supposed to
Speaker 4: be different scenario, but oh my god. A song called
Speaker 4: one two shit il Vibe for my first solo album,
Speaker 4: a song called ah ah Man. There's a song on
Speaker 4: the Rhyme and Reason soundtrack that we did, and we
Speaker 4: rhymed over a sample that was done by this producer
Speaker 4: and cash money from Philly, and he chopped up motherfucking
Speaker 4: music from Return of the Dragon Bruce Lee movie, and
Speaker 4: me and Q Tip ronde on that, but it's on
Speaker 4: the Rhyming Regions soundtrack and I forget the name of it.
Speaker 4: But my point is I ended up on all of
Speaker 4: these records with Tribe and collapse of me and Q
Speaker 4: Tip because a lot of the times I was just
Speaker 4: trying to be where I was welcomed when I felt
Speaker 4: unwelcomed by my own crew, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And those brothers always took me in and made me
Speaker 4: feel like I was a part of they crew, like
Speaker 4: a little brother, and they was never hesitant to let
Speaker 4: me get on and rock with them. And I think
Speaker 4: it was also entertaining because I was in the studio
Speaker 4: going so fucking crazy just to make sure that I
Speaker 4: showed my appreciation for them letting me get on shit
Speaker 4: that I would overdose the spas out so could overdose I.
Speaker 5: Because I want them to let.
Speaker 4: Me stay, and then I wanted them to let me rock,
Speaker 4: and then I wanted them to let me stay on
Speaker 4: the song. And then I always wanted to feel like
Speaker 4: I was in their group because I was huge fans
Speaker 4: of Tribe. Tribe probably was the first group that made
Speaker 4: me cry when I heard shit that was so fucking
Speaker 4: dope that I wish that I did it and was
Speaker 4: mad because I ain't know if I would ever be
Speaker 4: able to come up with the shit that they was creating,
Speaker 4: so I would want the shit so bad that I
Speaker 4: would sit there and listen to this shit and just
Speaker 4: start crying like I can't believe what the fuck I'm hearing.
Speaker 5: Try.
Speaker 4: Probably the first group to do that to me. Chuck
Speaker 4: d did that to me. Public Enemy did that to
Speaker 4: me with Rebel without a pause. So you you ever
Speaker 4: heard of the white boy group called Young Black Teenagers?
Speaker 4: You watch the House Party movies, right, yeah, kidn't play right?
Speaker 4: Remember the kid Cameron and White with the drags?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So can you imagine that ship today just
Speaker 1: that name alone.
Speaker 5: Young Black Teenagers are all group today.
Speaker 4: But see that's the crazy shit, right, Hank, Shockley and
Speaker 4: Chuck They was like mad scientists. They would do shit
Speaker 4: that they knew was just gonna fucking give create the
Speaker 4: old shit reaction. But they had these group names on
Speaker 4: the wall on a bulletin board and they didn't have
Speaker 4: no group members to fill in the group names. So
Speaker 4: like they had fucking Son of Berserk and the hell
Speaker 4: Raisers as one group, and they had the logos for
Speaker 4: these ships because Chuck was ill. I think he went
Speaker 4: to college for like animation and illustration or something, so
Speaker 4: he drew these logos and came up with these concepts
Speaker 4: Kings of Pressure, True Mathematics in the Invisible Empire, Funky
Speaker 4: Frank in the Street Force, leaders of the New School.
Speaker 4: Did I say some the Berserk and the hell Racist
Speaker 4: all right? So these is all of these group names
Speaker 4: they had, and then they had these auditions. So you
Speaker 4: come up there with your group and everybody start rocking
Speaker 4: and shit, and they'll look at you. It'll be a
Speaker 4: line of motherfuckers waiting to get on. After they'll look
Speaker 4: at you and they'll be like, you know what.
Speaker 5: You fit? Funky Frank in the Street Force.
Speaker 4: Your man, you fit True Mathematics, and the Invisible Empire
Speaker 4: you fit Son of Berserk. Y'all looking at each other
Speaker 4: like these niggas is breaking us up. And depending on
Speaker 4: how bad you wanted it, we'll determine whether or not
Speaker 4: you was gonna do it. We come up there. We
Speaker 4: was the Destiny three em c's my name is chill
Speaker 4: old Ski. Out this motherfucker name sound trash.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Chill old Ski was my rap name son and the
Speaker 4: l shit is At the time, the three part names
Speaker 4: was the ship.
Speaker 5: You had ll Cool J.
Speaker 4: You had Prince Monkey D from the Fat Boys. You
Speaker 4: had cool Rock Ski from the Fat BOYSKI the three
Speaker 4: part Nakumo D.
Speaker 5: The three part names was cool human box.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Human beat box. My ship
Speaker 4: was fucked up though Chill o' ski three part names
Speaker 4: signed trash so so so so we come up there
Speaker 4: Leaders of the New School. Well as the Destiny three season,
Speaker 4: we saw the name Leaders of the New School and
Speaker 4: the logo had looked like Raiders of the Lost Art,
Speaker 4: so Leaders was bent over like Raiders. And then of
Speaker 4: the Lost Art was of the New School, and we
Speaker 4: saw that ship and the young black teenager dudes with
Speaker 4: the Jamal Kid cam he came up there with DJ scribbling.
Speaker 4: These two other white dudes, I forget their name, but.
Speaker 5: We was all cool. At the time.
Speaker 4: They wanted the name Leaders of the New School. And
Speaker 4: when they tried that breakup shit like they wanted to
Speaker 4: put me with Funky Frank in the street. For us,
Speaker 4: I was like, that name don't even sound cool, and
Speaker 4: I'm not breaking up with the Coup, and the Coup
Speaker 4: ain't breaking up, and we all stood our ground. So
Speaker 4: they respected it. And it was ill because Hank Shockley
Speaker 4: was like the bad cop and Chuck d was the
Speaker 4: good cop, and that's how they moved on some bomb
Speaker 4: squad shit. Eric Vietnam Shadler was one of the main producers.
Speaker 4: Keith Shockley was one of the main producers. So they said,
Speaker 4: y'all want that name because both groups wanted the name.
Speaker 4: So hey, come Hank Shockley with his bad cop bullshit. Okay,
Speaker 4: y'all motherfuckers want the name, then y'all need to go
Speaker 4: home and write a song called funck the old School.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about. We're not dissing the architects, bro,
Speaker 4: you heard what I said. Go home and write the record.
Speaker 4: And whoever got the hottest record winsday name. Obviously we
Speaker 4: won record. We won, We got the hot fucking record,
Speaker 4: disrespecting all of the greats, crying while we're writing this
Speaker 4: ship emotionally fucked up, and and and I don't know
Speaker 4: where that song is but I hope that ship don't
Speaker 4: never resurface because we violated everybody, Flash Furious five, Crash Crew,
Speaker 4: Cold Crush, Cool Her Africa Band. We dissed everybody the block,
Speaker 4: every block. But you know what, man, it was it
Speaker 4: was a testament to really just it was a testament
Speaker 4: to how bad we wanted it. Them dudes just was
Speaker 4: wanting They just really wanted to see how how much
Speaker 4: we was willing to go extremely hard to secure the win.
Speaker 4: And they wanted to see how much we was willing
Speaker 4: to sacrifice and secure the win. And with all of
Speaker 4: that being said, Chuck D said, Yo, that chill o'
Speaker 4: ski name ain't the shit if you're if you're gonna
Speaker 4: be leaders at the new school, you gotta lead the
Speaker 4: new so you can't hand no old ass out of
Speaker 4: the name or nigga, get that shit out of here.
Speaker 4: Nigga came through because they used to always ask me
Speaker 4: to bust a rhyme too, and why don't you bust
Speaker 4: around for this nigga because they used to love seeing
Speaker 4: the animation and the aggressive shit the nigga. Chuck D
Speaker 4: one day, He's like, Yo, you and mommy of this
Speaker 4: football player named Busted the Rhymes used to play for
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings in nineteen eighty five. I think he
Speaker 4: was a wide receiver and I was like, word the
Speaker 4: nigga brought the card with the fun fucking athlete on
Speaker 4: the card and his name was Buster rhymes with an Er,
Speaker 4: and I looked at that shit and I said, this
Speaker 4: shit is hell yo, A real dude named Busta Rhames
Speaker 4: that played for the Minnesota Vikings. So I took his
Speaker 4: exact name, b us t Er. Never met him then
Speaker 4: when time started to pass, because I ain't like the
Speaker 4: name at first, but I thought it was dope, but
Speaker 4: I just was so much on my I changed from
Speaker 4: Chiloski to Lord Tiim because me being five percent, that
Speaker 4: was my attribute, its five percent. But it wasn't nothing
Speaker 4: unique about it because they had so many other guards
Speaker 4: with their names. Is they MC name like Kim Shabaz
Speaker 4: and King's Son and you know Lord Jamal from the
Speaker 4: Brand Nubian. Everybody had this, you know. So when Chuck
Speaker 4: said b bust Rhymes, he was like, just try it.
Speaker 4: If you don't like it, you could go back to
Speaker 4: all of them names you got. So I gave it
Speaker 4: a shot and probably like a year or two of
Speaker 4: them bringing us to shows and letting us open up
Speaker 4: for them. He had a lady named Jessica rozenbloun Hon,
Speaker 4: A man that shared Demi, a man that shit. Demy
Speaker 4: is the widowed wife of Ted Demi, who created your
Speaker 4: MTV reps. He used to run shit in the downtown
Speaker 4: area with the clubs, and that's how we was able
Speaker 4: to perform as leaders of the New School and get
Speaker 4: the buzz going. Dante Ross, who was at Tommy Boy
Speaker 4: who signed Dayla Soul and them, he saw us at
Speaker 4: a club in the Lower east Side called pay Day
Speaker 4: one time and he was leaving Tommy Boy to go
Speaker 4: to Electra, and the motherfucker was like, y'all so incredible,
Speaker 4: I want to sign y'all. But all of that grooming
Speaker 4: in the two three years of being able to go
Speaker 4: out with chucking them and get that schooling and be
Speaker 4: able to ask questions and learn how to really perform
Speaker 4: all of that shit. It was like the boot camp
Speaker 4: training that we needed before we started getting in these
Speaker 4: clubs and getting seen and all of that shit is
Speaker 4: what provided the opportunity to get the deal. So Buster
Speaker 4: Moms was born December fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine when I
Speaker 4: was seventeen years old, after being.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna let you let that one down breakout?
Speaker 2: Oh you broke out solo career or was the process
Speaker 2: of this debut app the debut album to coming and
Speaker 2: putting together wooah.
Speaker 3: Got you all in check? Talk about that?
Speaker 4: So I was scared to go solo. I was super
Speaker 4: nice with doing the features. And while we're scared, I
Speaker 4: was scared because I was never a solo MC. I
Speaker 4: was always in a group. I was responsible for my
Speaker 4: sixteen bars out the fucking way.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When you got to do three sixteens and the chorus
Speaker 4: for twelve to fourteen records, shit is a weight. And
Speaker 4: then you ain't got nobody to really bounce no ideas
Speaker 4: off of. I'm used to having Brown and Dinko around
Speaker 4: and bounce the ideas off of having a nigga tell
Speaker 4: me yo, this shit, dope that shit.
Speaker 5: Ain't you know tweak? These two three bars over here.
Speaker 4: And who I did have those relationships with, like a
Speaker 4: Q Tip or you know, dayline them, I was they
Speaker 4: was busy, so I didn't have the same access to
Speaker 4: them that I would have with my own crew. The
Speaker 4: thing was though that forced me to figure it out
Speaker 4: was as the youngest member of the group, I was
Speaker 4: the first one to have a child, so I had
Speaker 4: to find my way to provide for my child. So
Speaker 4: that's when I kind of started o ding with the
Speaker 4: features enroment on everybody's shit, and I used the buzz
Speaker 4: from scenario to sell myself and solicit myself to make
Speaker 4: sure that I ended up on everybody's records because I
Speaker 4: had to find verse money to keep taking care of
Speaker 4: my kids until I figured out what I was doing
Speaker 4: as a solo artist. Once I got to the solo
Speaker 4: artist opportunity, I remember there's a skit after It's a Party.
Speaker 4: If you listen to the album sequence in its full
Speaker 4: form right and in the skit, it's like you hear
Speaker 4: this band like just randomly playing the instruments like they
Speaker 4: find tuning the instruments. And I acknowledged that and then
Speaker 4: I do some little short ass freestyle. That was the
Speaker 4: very first thing that I recorded for the first solo album.
Speaker 4: And it happened like that because I was shooting Higher
Speaker 4: Learning movie at the time. I get the call from
Speaker 4: Dante Ross and he told me because when they did
Speaker 4: the deal, and initially they signed us as individuals as
Speaker 4: well as a group. So when we broke up, we
Speaker 4: still was stuck at the label. So he telling me
Speaker 4: that I'm getting a budget that was way more than
Speaker 4: what we got for each leader's album and I ain't
Speaker 4: have to split that shit with nobody. I was excited
Speaker 4: then the motherfucker about that, but I wasn't excited about
Speaker 4: the solo artist responsibility.
Speaker 5: I called Q Tip.
Speaker 4: He come to La Fuck with me and were going
Speaker 4: to studio. I think we went in like three days straight.
Speaker 4: I couldn't come up with nothing. I'm angry than the motherfucker.
Speaker 4: And then this brother named was Shad Smith Tumbling Dice.
Speaker 4: He produced the One More Chance remix for Biggie, He
Speaker 4: produced Doing It Well for LL, He produced Woha Got
Speaker 4: You on the Check. He produced Dangerous for me as well.
Speaker 4: The Wuha sample was played in a Rampage session. Rampage
Speaker 4: was working on a song and I think when Shad
Speaker 4: needed a horn sample for this beat, he ended up
Speaker 4: pulling out the Golt McDermott ship, which is the sample
Speaker 4: for the Wuha shit from the Hair Broadway played soundtrack.
Speaker 4: When he plays this shit, I'm like keep that for
Speaker 4: me and shit crazy my nigga, he make the bead lopid.
Speaker 4: I'm riding around in the whip. First week passed, I
Speaker 4: don't come up with nothing. Two three weeks past, I
Speaker 4: don't come up with nothing. A whole month passed, I
Speaker 4: don't come up with nothing, two three months pass, I
Speaker 4: don't come up with nothing, four five, six months past.
Speaker 4: I don't come up with nothing by the seventh month.
Speaker 4: And I got sued by telling this story on Jay Leno.
Speaker 4: I never cleared the sample. And I think Sylvia Robinson's
Speaker 4: son he sued me because I told him myself trying
Speaker 4: to give credit. So I'm already paying for it.
Speaker 3: So you can tell it now.
Speaker 5: I can tell it again freely.
Speaker 4: Rest in peace to Sylvia Robinson's son too, because he
Speaker 4: passed away shortly after he was in the room with
Speaker 4: me while I was forced to make a deposition than
Speaker 4: any event. Read Alert was doing the Old school at No.
Speaker 4: One on Hot ninety seven. He plays the eighth one
Speaker 4: direcord by the sugar Hill Gag, the Lorns and Ron
Speaker 4: Yes then Ron my neck woo ha got you all
Speaker 4: the check A let's scream a less shout let's turn
Speaker 4: this function now to keep keep it on.
Speaker 5: I heard that shit I called a shard, I said,
Speaker 5: I got it.
Speaker 4: Meet me in the studio tonight. Went to the studio,
Speaker 4: made that shit, the hook, wrote the verses on the spots.
Speaker 4: Song done. We put the shit out. That shit went
Speaker 4: platinum in six weeks. When I started to see the
Speaker 4: money from them shows and the money from them royalties
Speaker 4: and the publishing deals and all that shit, I said,
Speaker 4: I like this solo shit, and I like the responsibility
Speaker 4: of a being a solo artist. And if this shit
Speaker 4: takes seven months to write, but pay like this, fuck it.
Speaker 5: But going.
Speaker 4: But you know, once you taste the steak coming from
Speaker 4: canned food, bro that motherfucking tastes butter, and that palate change.
Speaker 4: It's like my whole way of thinking started to change.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm taking care of my family. I'm
Speaker 4: watching baby mom smell get bigger. I'm watching my mom
Speaker 4: smile get bigger. And that first thing I did with
Speaker 4: the success of that told my moms quit a job.
Speaker 4: And once she quit a job and helped me run
Speaker 4: the rest of my shit. That's probably the most rewarding
Speaker 4: feeling that I have, because that's the first thing I did,
Speaker 4: Like before I bought myself jewelry and cars and all
Speaker 4: of that, I took care of my mom's because she
Speaker 4: signed my deal when I was seventeen. I could have
Speaker 4: woke up one day and did some shit to piss
Speaker 4: her ass off. It would have never been a buster
Speaker 4: rhyme signature in that contract, and then y'all would have
Speaker 4: never knew me, and I'd have never been sitting here
Speaker 4: with all the smoke.
Speaker 5: So big up to Mom Dukes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1: What goes in obviously you spoke to you know, your
Speaker 1: greatness across the board, but obviously on features. What goes
Speaker 1: into hopping on someone else's song and in your thought
Speaker 1: process because you have so many, you know, songs you
Speaker 1: hopped on that you made magical, not this.
Speaker 3: Track, that's what you're going on saying, yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 3: go out, but not on this one.
Speaker 5: Not this Yeah.
Speaker 4: For me, it's always respectful competition number one. But we
Speaker 4: are always battling, just respectfully battling. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get on your record, bro, I'm gonna give you the
Speaker 4: biggest hug and a pound, and we're gonna joke and
Speaker 4: laugh Willfore it's time to work doing the work. I'm
Speaker 4: coming for blood. I don't want no friendship. Don't talk
Speaker 4: to me nothing. When the show is over with the
Speaker 4: bars in that booth, Nigga, we could be the best
Speaker 4: kumbaya in the motherfucking world after that. But that's what
Speaker 4: it is on every song, and that's what it's been
Speaker 4: every time, And for me, I think it's we all
Speaker 4: got this instinctually. Any click we move with y'all playing
Speaker 4: on a team, who the fuck want to be heard by?
Speaker 4: You don't want to hear nobody talking about you the
Speaker 4: weakest link in no situation, not on a team, when
Speaker 4: you playing ball, not in a beef. If y'all got
Speaker 4: to defend each other in a fight, not in a
Speaker 4: motherfucking nothing, you don't want to be classified as the
Speaker 4: weakest link. And it's really those same instincts I think
Speaker 4: we all just culturally have been raised with. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I just apply that shit in every
Speaker 4: aspect of my life. And when it come to these
Speaker 4: records and how good the game has been to me
Speaker 4: and these opportunities have been to me, I don't play
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 5: And another way of.
Speaker 4: Showing the most high and showing the person that gave
Speaker 4: me the opportunity to rock with them that I appreciate
Speaker 4: it by putting my best fucking foot forward.
Speaker 1: Talk about some of your your your classic collapse. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking how well they did at the time, But
Speaker 1: can you imagine this TikTok generation right now?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it would have been stupid.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, Now, ain't gonna front some of this TikTok generation.
Speaker 1: They still got my definitely, definitely, definitely tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about each We're gonna try to run through these.
Speaker 1: Put your hands where my eyes can see. I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the coldest beats ever.
Speaker 4: Thank you, cam. Big up to my man Schamelo d
Speaker 4: Rest in peace. Shamelo passed away a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: He made the beat with my brother Buddha and big
Speaker 4: up to my man Gerald odham a ka fab Ries.
Speaker 4: He brought the beat to the studio after they made it.
Speaker 4: So that beat is one of those beats that was
Speaker 4: evolution point for me because it's probably one of the
Speaker 4: first songs that y'all heard me on on my calm
Speaker 4: shit you know what I'm saying, And I ended up
Speaker 4: roming on the record on some calm shit. Because I
Speaker 4: went to a Diddy session one night at Daddy's house
Speaker 4: and back at the time, Diddy told me he was like,
Speaker 4: my nigga, why don't you just rhyme on your calm voice?
Speaker 4: My nigga, Like, bitches don't want to do that like
Speaker 4: a dungeon dragon shit with you all the time on
Speaker 4: no song. Bitches don't want to do that, my nigga.
Speaker 4: So just calm your voice. Talk to the chicks, bro,
Speaker 4: talk to them like talk on this beat. That ship
Speaker 4: got room to breathe on it. You ain't gotta be
Speaker 4: doing aways, killing with the flow and killing with your
Speaker 4: regular voice.
Speaker 5: You got a good You got one of them James
Speaker 5: Arl Jones voices when you're talking regular, and I listened.
Speaker 4: To in fact, Joe was dead too. Joe was dead
Speaker 4: in Fat Joe. He was chiming in and pretty much
Speaker 4: telling me the same shit. That was the record that
Speaker 4: set the tone for sure.
Speaker 3: What's it going to be with the lovely Miss Janet
Speaker 3: Jackson again?
Speaker 5: Buster Mom on some calm shit. I just combined it
Speaker 5: with the speed wrap.
Speaker 4: But that song came about as a result of Janet
Speaker 4: touring for the Velvet Rope album that she did. She
Speaker 4: was on Hot ninety seven with Angie Martinez at the
Speaker 4: time when Angie was there before she went to Power
Speaker 4: one on five and she was doing an interview with
Speaker 4: Angie and I'm driving from Long Island to the city.
Speaker 4: And at the time, I owned a Toyota fore Runner.
Speaker 4: It was my second whip that I ever had. It's
Speaker 4: ninety eight. I also had a Benz and I didn't
Speaker 4: drive the Benz this particular day because I was in
Speaker 4: a rush and I had twenties on the Benz and
Speaker 4: I was always running into a situation when you hit
Speaker 4: a pothole. Was the most annoying ship. So Angie asks
Speaker 4: Janet what rappers has she never worked with that she
Speaker 4: would like to work with. She said, Bust the Rhymes
Speaker 4: nigga almost.
Speaker 5: Crashed my ship.
Speaker 4: I pulled over and I'm on the belt Parkway. I
Speaker 4: pulled over and I immediately called Mona Scott Young from
Speaker 4: Violator and I said, Mona, you need to get in
Speaker 4: touch with Janet now. She said High ninety seven. She
Speaker 4: said she want to work with Bust the motherfucking Rhymes
Speaker 4: until her I got the perfect song for it, and
Speaker 4: I ain't have no song so we had to find
Speaker 4: a song, and a brother named Delight produced the record,
Speaker 4: and he got a young lady, I forget her name
Speaker 4: to write the hook Pin the Hook for Janet. When
Speaker 4: I heard it, I fell in love with the shit
Speaker 4: immediately because nothing had sounded like it at the time
Speaker 4: on the radio, and it was something that it actually
Speaker 4: plays into me being able to speed rap on it perfectly.
Speaker 4: So I immediately got the record. Mona got in touch
Speaker 4: with Janet, sent it to Janet. I didn't write the
Speaker 4: rhymes yet.
Speaker 5: We pick us, We pick a.
Speaker 4: She picks the studio session and it's somewhere in a
Speaker 4: different state from New York. And we go to the
Speaker 4: studio and I researched everything that Janet likes, what type
Speaker 4: of flowers she like, the type of candles she like,
Speaker 4: with the fragrances is that she like, and we dressed
Speaker 4: the fucking studio up exactly with all of the shit
Speaker 4: that she likes. Her security came, They advanced that shit.
Speaker 4: They walked around searched every fucking room like they was
Speaker 4: screening and looking for fucking wire taps and bugs everywhere
Speaker 4: some president ship. This was probably like three four hours
Speaker 4: before she showed up. And then when the queen showed up,
Speaker 4: I gave her a nice brief greeting, hugged her, asked
Speaker 4: if she needed anything, and left her with the track
Speaker 4: with all the vocals on it for her to sing
Speaker 4: them over. And I'm bounced. I ain't even want to
Speaker 4: be around her long enough to do some shit wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm not fucking this Mombrian, not even by accident. Right,
Speaker 4: Piermman ain't nothing fashion than pem money, Right, I got
Speaker 4: the funk about it here, hunfashioned pume.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I went in another room next door and I wrote
Speaker 4: all the verses and then I spit them. Then I
Speaker 4: came back and I let the engineer imported in a session, revived,
Speaker 4: listened to it a couple of times.
Speaker 5: She was happy.
Speaker 4: I was super bugging out, couldn't believe this moment was real.
Speaker 4: And then when it came video to shoot time and
Speaker 4: that terminated, two movie came out and I saw that shit.
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, this is all that liquidy make you
Speaker 4: wet shit wet dream all at talk called Hype Williams.
Speaker 4: I said, this is what we're doing. Big Bro called
Speaker 4: Sylvia roon. I was scared to have that conversation because
Speaker 4: when Hype sent the budget back. That shit was two
Speaker 4: point four million dollars for that video to him, most
Speaker 4: expensive hip hop video ever shot to this day, and
Speaker 4: that was in fucking ninety eight.
Speaker 3: That's what I say.
Speaker 4: You can imagine that terminated two million and fucking and
Speaker 4: fucking Titanic. The special effects company that did the Titanic
Speaker 4: movie was called Digital Domain.
Speaker 5: They did the effects for that video.
Speaker 4: O d overcharging niggas because they won all them fucking
Speaker 4: Oscars for the Titanic movie at that time, so there
Speaker 4: wasn't no negotiating with them.
Speaker 5: You just got robbed.
Speaker 4: I mean, the finished product was phenomenal, but it's so
Speaker 4: funny when you compare the prices to the shit that
Speaker 4: they charged me then to amazing shit that I'm able
Speaker 4: to do now. Of course, times is different and technology
Speaker 4: advanced a lot, but it was crazy when you did
Speaker 4: the research to find out what the fuck they was
Speaker 4: charging you for a while and they charging you like
Speaker 4: that later on, not too long after neither, I would
Speaker 4: say two three years ago. I just was starting to
Speaker 4: be really confused about why did I get charged like this?
Speaker 4: And you know, we was getting so much money, we
Speaker 4: didn't even care. Man, it was like, fuck a royalty.
Speaker 4: You know, we're getting publishing deal money millions, and were
Speaker 4: getting touring millions, and we're getting all type of other shit.
Speaker 4: It was just like whatever. But again, that was an
Speaker 4: unbelievable moment and Janet, by the time it got time
Speaker 4: to shoot the video, all of that nervous shit was
Speaker 4: out the window because now I'm fright in front of
Speaker 4: the camera.
Speaker 5: I gotta make it look like that's my wife. Wasn't
Speaker 5: That wasn't hard. That wasn't hard at all. Is Bard
Speaker 5: a big up to Janet Jackson.
Speaker 4: Night Front twenty twenty three was the first time that
Speaker 4: we got to perform that record together together in twenty
Speaker 4: five years, because last year was the twenty fifth anniversary
Speaker 4: of that song and that album. So thank you to
Speaker 4: Janet for bringing me out at the garden where I
Speaker 4: was able to celebrate twenty five anniversary of that song
Speaker 4: in my backyard in New York, and I tried to
Speaker 4: recreate the whole environment in the studio because after the song,
Speaker 4: I bought all of them flowers in the same shit
Speaker 4: that we had in a stewl on stage to give
Speaker 4: her her flowers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, br I love it.
Speaker 1: I know what you want with flip mode in my
Speaker 1: childhood crushed Mariah, How was that experience?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I ain't gonna lie that shit was an incredible
Speaker 4: fucking experience too. Yo, I'm gonna tell you what was
Speaker 4: bug me? And split was on a tour bus and
Speaker 4: I'm not I wasn't. I'm still not the biggest fan
Speaker 4: of flying, but I really was fucking not fucking with
Speaker 4: the flying. And I had built a tour bus in
Speaker 4: two thousand and three when I first went on tour
Speaker 4: with fifty and jay Z for the Rock to Mic tour,
Speaker 4: and I built a brand new bus from the frame and.
Speaker 5: We was driving back and forth from New York.
Speaker 4: To LA so much said I think, I think, I
Speaker 4: think I put like one point seven million miles on
Speaker 4: this engine. And I had a man that was doing
Speaker 4: the maintenance and he was our tour bus. It was
Speaker 4: a couple, Cisco Kid and Marta Kid, and they're from Florida.
Speaker 4: Well they're from Ohio, but they lived in Florida. Cisco
Speaker 4: rest in peace. But he up kept the maintenance on
Speaker 4: that bus so phenomenally that we never had to put
Speaker 4: a new engine in that ship. Never At motherfucking Cisco
Speaker 4: was a genius with them buses.
Speaker 3: That bus probably Fred Sam from uh to yard right now.
Speaker 4: Probably said one point seven million miles gre but but
Speaker 4: but but The crazy shit is we riding on the bus.
Speaker 4: I got a beat tape from Rick Rock, Big Up
Speaker 4: the Rick Rod from the bed, and he sends me
Speaker 4: this beat tape and were vibing on the bus and
Speaker 4: were drinking and a shuit and we going cross country
Speaker 4: and the beat came on and we just me and
Speaker 4: split bugging out. And I think I came up with
Speaker 4: the melody first and then the words came later. But
Speaker 4: when I sent it to Mariah, she was with it
Speaker 4: off rip. The crazy part, though, is she goes on
Speaker 4: these vocal rests periods where she don't talk at all,
Speaker 4: so that you know she don't fuck with a vocal cause,
Speaker 4: because over a period of time it's not abnormal for
Speaker 4: US artists to get PALOPs on your vocal cards. I
Speaker 4: had to have a vocal cord surgery to remove PALOPs
Speaker 4: because the PALOPs started to get so big they could
Speaker 4: block your breathing passage. And at the time when that
Speaker 4: shit was happening to me, combined with being overweight, when
Speaker 4: I was super out of shape, a shit had blocked
Speaker 4: ninety percent of my breathing passage, so I had to
Speaker 4: get an emergency surgery. And she obviously does the smart
Speaker 4: thing so she can avoid that with the vocal rest.
Speaker 4: So at the time when we needed to record the record,
Speaker 4: we couldn't speak to her on the phone, could only
Speaker 4: text her because she was only gonna communicate by writing,
Speaker 4: So we had to wait until she did her vocal rest,
Speaker 4: which took like four weeks or some shit, and when
Speaker 4: that was done, then she was ready to sing.
Speaker 5: And when she sang that shit, she bodied it like.
Speaker 4: Super quick, sent it right back, put flip Mode on it,
Speaker 4: because at the time I was actually setting up a
Speaker 4: flip Mode album that we was putting out because we
Speaker 4: was on Jay Records Clive Davis label at the time,
Speaker 4: and I had did a label deal there and had
Speaker 4: a project that was almost done with flip Mode. But
Speaker 4: after this album, which came out in two thousand and three,
Speaker 4: I had did a two album deal at Jay Records,
Speaker 4: so I put out The Genesis in two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: which Kavas was on, and then Yeah, this song was
Speaker 4: on the two thousand and three album. Two thousand and three,
Speaker 4: when my deal term was up after six months of
Speaker 4: the release. I ended up signing The Aftermath with Dre
Speaker 4: and got a label deal over there too. So when
Speaker 4: I left Jay Records, they dead at the Flip Mode album.
Speaker 4: But I was using the Mariah song as like a
Speaker 4: single setup Flip Mode shit, so we could just bust ass.
Speaker 4: And that's pretty much how that played out. But long
Speaker 4: story short, Mariah really she always pretty much delivers for
Speaker 4: us whenever we we need her.
Speaker 5: She's dead.
Speaker 4: Whenever she needs me, I'm there. She just actually brought
Speaker 4: us out to rock the Garden with her as well
Speaker 4: for her Christmas. You know how she turn it up
Speaker 4: and give it up for Christmas every year. Shit, But
Speaker 4: she did. She did a couple the sholds at the
Speaker 4: Garden and brought me out to fuck it up with
Speaker 4: her and I had a great time.
Speaker 5: Riah, we love you, queen.
Speaker 1: Breaking that Grammy nominated live performance is incredible.
Speaker 3: You talk to us about that.
Speaker 4: Before I got to Aftermath, I was shooting schaff in
Speaker 4: Canada and Dre was shooting training day at the same time.
Speaker 3: Was that up there too?
Speaker 1: Were just shooting at the same time.
Speaker 4: We was both shooting at the movies. Wasn't out yet
Speaker 4: I was shooting Shaft, he was shooting training Day. We
Speaker 4: had a schedule where the off days that coincided with
Speaker 4: each other. And I think that the Grammys right before
Speaker 4: those movie productions was greenlit. I've seen Dre. Drey was
Speaker 4: with a brother named Mike Lynn at the time. Mike
Speaker 4: Linn was helping Dre, you know, run with his aftermath
Speaker 4: shit on the executive level and just going out there
Speaker 4: and working with a lot of producers and bringing them
Speaker 4: to the table so that you know, Drake could scoured
Speaker 4: through the producers to see who was worth bringing on
Speaker 4: his production team. Mike Lynn was with Dre when I
Speaker 4: had my moms at this particular Grammys with me.
Speaker 5: As we was leaving seeing Dre and Mike Lynn.
Speaker 4: My mom saw Dre first, and I wanted to introduce
Speaker 4: my moms to Dre, and then I also wanted to
Speaker 4: big up Dre.
Speaker 5: Mike Lynn.
Speaker 4: He kind of made the whole get together official. I
Speaker 4: tell Mike Lennon at the time, I was leaving like
Speaker 4: I was a free agent from Jay Records, and I'm like, Yo, Dre,
Speaker 4: whatever we gotta do to get in the studio together,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make my and the Debuggain happen. I don't
Speaker 4: give a fuck where we gotta go. Dre said, cool,
Speaker 4: So I'm in Canada. I'm shooting chaff. I had these
Speaker 4: off days. I called Dray to see what his availability was.
Speaker 4: He had off days. I get to LA. He said,
Speaker 4: I got two days. I said, how many songs could
Speaker 4: we do? He said as many as you could record.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: I said, what I get the fucking LA. I go
Speaker 4: to the studio. I slept in that bitch two days,
Speaker 4: no showering, on nothing, and like when niggas just hustling
Speaker 4: back in the Reaganomics, right in a drug spot, Nigga,
Speaker 4: you ain't leaving no money unaccounted for.
Speaker 5: I stayed in that motherfucking studio.
Speaker 4: He put a beat after beat after beat after beat
Speaker 4: out of five songs in two days. Three of them
Speaker 4: ended up on the Genesis album One Call Holler, One
Speaker 4: Call Bounce, and Break Your Neck. Truth Hurts is doing
Speaker 4: the background vocals on Breaking Neck. And when we did
Speaker 4: the record, Dre said, this is your single and he
Speaker 4: chose it. He knew and it's one of the biggest
Speaker 4: records that I made today. Just sales wise and everything
Speaker 4: at radio and everything like Dre always you know his
Speaker 4: ear is he got bionic ears, Like he hears shit
Speaker 4: different from every regular human in the planet, and then
Speaker 4: everybody falls in line with the way he hears the shit,
Speaker 4: because I mean, as we all know, when you hear
Speaker 4: dre finished product, that shit got a crystal sparkle on
Speaker 4: that bitch. It's just so, it's so, it just sounds
Speaker 4: different from anybody else's finished product. So Dre is my
Speaker 4: favorite producer in the planet, along with J Dillar, rest
Speaker 4: in piece to J Dillar and Q Tip Oh can't
Speaker 4: forget DJ scratch too, my full favorite producers in the planet.
Speaker 4: I got other producers that I love, but those are
Speaker 4: my full favorite. Oh can't forget the Big up Knots too.
Speaker 4: It's the ruler from Virginia, Swiss Beach, tipulated paral.
Speaker 5: I can't stop the sad.
Speaker 3: Grace.
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, look at me now, Chris Brown, Wayne,
Speaker 1: how that track come together? Because that's different generations.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you how that shit came together for me.
Speaker 4: I'm in Platinum Studios, which is Jerry Wonder Studio in
Speaker 4: Midtown Manhattan. I was working with the artists at the
Speaker 4: time who we had did a remix for his song,
Speaker 4: and on the remix there's a few MC's and Nelly
Speaker 4: was one of them on the song. I think the
Speaker 4: methad man was on the Cameron was on it. So
Speaker 4: Nellie coincidentally was working in the room next door to
Speaker 4: the room that I was in. Were on the same floor.
Speaker 4: So when I found out Nellie was over there, I
Speaker 4: go over there. I dap him up. I say, yo,
Speaker 4: we mixing the record, so you should come over and
Speaker 4: approve how your vocal sound before we print the mix.
Speaker 5: He goes cool.
Speaker 4: He come over to the room, he hear the verse,
Speaker 4: He happy with it. He go back in his room.
Speaker 4: When he go back in his room, look at me now.
Speaker 4: Beat is playing, but I couldn't hear it the way
Speaker 4: you obviously gonna hear it when you walk in the room.
Speaker 4: But that eight of waights is so heavy on that beat.
Speaker 4: This shit was rumbling through my room and I was like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck this dude is playing in his room.
Speaker 4: So I just got on my nosy shit and I
Speaker 4: crashed the session. And when I got in there, Breezy
Speaker 4: was in there. He playing look at Me Now for Nelly,
Speaker 4: and he's speed wrapping the nelly, and I looked at
Speaker 4: it Breezie in the jokingly manner, like, Nigga, you don't
Speaker 4: know what you're fucking doing with that speed rass shit.
Speaker 4: Let me sure you how to keep the dice rolling
Speaker 4: when you're doing that thing.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly.
Speaker 4: That's how it ended up on the song because when
Speaker 4: I was saying it to him jokingly, he was like,
Speaker 4: what you just say? I said, Nigga, you don't know
Speaker 4: what you're doing with the speed rap shit, and you
Speaker 4: need to let me show you how to keep the
Speaker 4: dice rolling when you're doing that thing over there, homie,
Speaker 4: because you don't know what you're doing with that day Nigga.
Speaker 4: He goes, I need you to say that shit again
Speaker 4: to me while I'm speed rapping. Interrupt me say that
Speaker 4: shit and then just go crazy. I said, fine, give
Speaker 4: me the beat. I go back in my room, scribble
Speaker 4: a verse up. Two hours done, I record the shit.
Speaker 4: I come back in the room. I had like towards
Speaker 4: the end of the verse, I would say, like within
Speaker 4: the last six bars, I had like two or four
Speaker 4: bars where I kind of slowed it down from the
Speaker 4: speed rap because I felt like I owe deeds so
Speaker 4: much and I might need to let niggas get a
Speaker 4: breather before they catch a seizure in this bitch. So
Speaker 4: I played it again for him. He goes, why you
Speaker 4: slow it down? I need you to spas through the
Speaker 4: whole shit. You going crazy? Could you just make that adjustment?
Speaker 5: Please?
Speaker 4: Bus I'm like this nigga telling me I go write
Speaker 4: my shit. Fuck it, I'm gonna go. I got you, King,
Speaker 4: And when then I made the adjustment, I came back.
Speaker 4: That was the end of that next thing I heard
Speaker 4: when the record is finished, no Nelly on the song.
Speaker 4: Little Wayne got on the song. So I hit a record.
Speaker 4: I heard Little Wayne go bad like that too. I
Speaker 4: was like, this shit crazy. Time to shoot the video.
Speaker 4: We shoot the video, video, come back looking phenomenal. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this shit is crazy. Did I know that the motherfucking
Speaker 4: world was going to react like they did to it?
Speaker 5: Nope.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you who was very, very instrumental
Speaker 4: in that record becoming what it was besides it being dope,
Speaker 4: And I have to credit this woman would be in
Speaker 4: the first one to probably ever invent the challenge that
Speaker 4: now exists on social media. When everybody want to do
Speaker 4: a challenge, okay, and she wasn't even doing it as
Speaker 4: a challenge, but it evolved into that. When Angie Martinez
Speaker 4: was on Hot ninety seven and she was decorating her
Speaker 4: motherfucker dressing her Chinese food with the duckt sauce and
Speaker 4: the hot sauce, and while she was doing it, she
Speaker 4: was spitting the shit and DJ enough was behind he,
Speaker 4: DJ mister C was behind her, and like the whole
Speaker 4: staff was behind her, turning up and she just did
Speaker 4: spitting the shite a way and get away and get
Speaker 4: a wing, knowing where and every day it ain't want
Speaker 4: to hunt me, just know that. And she blacking while
Speaker 4: she dressing the food. It made it seem like, damn,
Speaker 4: a woman learned this shit before me. And I'm a
Speaker 4: dude and a kryme. And when that shit hit the internet,
Speaker 4: it just spread like wildfire, and everybody else jumped in
Speaker 4: and wanted to do what she is doing. So Angie
Speaker 4: Martine is the voice of New York as far as
Speaker 4: I'm concerned, is the founder of the challenges learning look
Speaker 4: at Me Now. First, it definitely had motherfuckers and they
Speaker 4: feeling that a woman got it together before dudes.
Speaker 3: Bean shown.
Speaker 4: Chico Bee too, because he killed killed Angie got him first.
Speaker 4: Chico Bean, you definitely did your thing. But I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tell you. I'm gonna tell you who else. What's his name? Man?
Speaker 4: Let me yo, pass me, pass me look on my
Speaker 4: Graham real quick. I just got a big up this
Speaker 4: dude because this is the most recent dude, the body
Speaker 4: at the most and I've seen a married couple kill it.
Speaker 4: I've seen a wife do it at at at performing.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was their wedding or whatever.
Speaker 4: But you see the dude that's on the that's on
Speaker 4: my gram. He's he did this ship like he was
Speaker 4: an auctioneer. I think I seen you've seen that, right.
Speaker 4: I think I said, Yo, that ship was so crazy
Speaker 4: for the bro that he actually put up a post
Speaker 4: about how that shit got like thirty forty million views.
Speaker 4: And when I posted it, it helped, it helped contribute
Speaker 4: to the to the way it went viral for him
Speaker 4: so much. I just want to acknowledge his name correctly.
Speaker 4: You got you got it, you got you got the post, broke,
Speaker 4: give me my give me your phone, all right, here go.
Speaker 4: His name is Crank Lucas. Crank Lucas. Crank Lucas name
Speaker 4: Crank Lucas. Crank Lucas is incredible. I like that Crank Lucas, Like.
Speaker 3: Hey, but he was a bunch of different characters. He
Speaker 3: was like three characters.
Speaker 5: That was hard. He killed that ship.
Speaker 3: That's hard.
Speaker 1: Obviously getting a chance to meet or you know, become
Speaker 1: friends with Biggie early. Give us one of your favorite
Speaker 1: Biggie stories.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite Biggie stories. One day there was
Speaker 4: an accountant by the name of Bert Poddell. Burt Podell
Speaker 4: was like the dude that everybody used to have to
Speaker 4: go and pull up to to get their bread from
Speaker 4: when it came to like labels and shit. He was
Speaker 4: like the top shelf accountant for all of like the
Speaker 4: big executives at the time. I've had to go to
Speaker 4: get some of my bread from features that I've done
Speaker 4: from Burt Podell. It was one day Biggie was over
Speaker 4: there getting a feature. We're not getting a feature, getting
Speaker 4: a check from Burt Podell, and we was riding back
Speaker 4: to Brooklyn and I ended up going to Burt Padell.
Speaker 4: I saw big yet ask Biggie where he was going.
Speaker 4: He said, he was going to Brooklyn. I said, you
Speaker 4: need to ride. He said yeah, So he came in
Speaker 4: and wh with me. We jet back. We go to Brooklyn,
Speaker 4: I go to his crib. When we get to his crib,
Speaker 4: now he let me here the Ready to Die album,
Speaker 4: the fucking crazy shit is. While we did, he told
Speaker 4: one of his niggas to let everybody know that he
Speaker 4: got the Ready to Die album done and he about
Speaker 4: to give it to everybody in the street. So niggas,
Speaker 4: you know, here already popping with the fucking kicking the
Speaker 4: Door record and all of these shits is playing as
Speaker 4: like the singles to build a momentum or whatever. And
Speaker 4: biggie feature game was crazy because did he had him
Speaker 4: on one twelve shit and total shit and everybody else shit.
Speaker 5: So it was like extremely.
Speaker 4: Intriguing and strange to me at the time because this
Speaker 4: is during the time where you would beat the fucking
Speaker 4: bootlegger up for selling your shit for five dollars. Biggie
Speaker 4: had the hood lined up in front of his building
Speaker 4: like a crack spot, but he was giving it to
Speaker 4: niggas for free. He wasn't even selling it. And I
Speaker 4: couldn't understand, bro, what are you doing niggas say your
Speaker 4: bus I'm gonna make sure that the nigga that don't
Speaker 4: got my album look like he the hater. That was
Speaker 4: the illest way of thinking at the time, because it
Speaker 4: was brilliant marketing. You already get promo shit to give
Speaker 4: the DJs and certain motherfuckers for free anyway, because you
Speaker 4: need them to play it. The advertise that your shit
Speaker 4: is out, and that is hot, right. He took it
Speaker 4: to a whole of the place. He had the double
Speaker 4: cassette JVC box in the crib and he was dubbing
Speaker 4: his own fucking tape and just giving the shit away
Speaker 4: for free, free promotion, free promotion. It was one of
Speaker 4: the most brilliant marketing schemes I've ever seen. And that
Speaker 4: was the one that was one of those incredible moments.
Speaker 4: One other incredible moment, and I never told this story,
Speaker 4: not on the record. So there's a song in the
Speaker 4: middle of the Biggie of the Tupac Beef and he
Speaker 4: recorded the verse in my studio session. The studio was
Speaker 4: called Soundtracks Studio is located Broadway between twenty first and
Speaker 4: twenty second Street. At the time, I thought it would
Speaker 4: be brilliant to have these three MC's on a J.
Speaker 4: Dillar Bet as I mentioned, he's one of my favorite
Speaker 4: producers to ever exist. First studio session it was at
Speaker 4: a studio called Unique Studios, around the block from Quad
Speaker 4: where Tupac got shot. This was a studio that Easymo
Speaker 4: Be another one of my favorite producers. He produced Flavor
Speaker 4: in Your Ear and many other classics, the most are
Speaker 4: Ready to Die. He used to work in the studio
Speaker 4: a lot, so I ended up booking the session and
Speaker 4: the song was supposed to have nas method Man, Biggie
Speaker 4: and Buster Rhems on the same record. J. Dillar Bet,
Speaker 4: I got a ten thousand dollars check in my pocket
Speaker 4: for Big. I think Big just got into the car
Speaker 4: accident with Sees, so his leg was fucked up and
Speaker 4: the elevator wasn't working. Big coming to the studio, he downstairs, Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm here, bus. I said, all right, well the elevator
Speaker 4: just stopped working, so you gotta come up the stairs.
Speaker 4: I said, mephanze here. He was like a word, tell lebros.
Speaker 4: I set it up, but you ain't gonna see me tonight,
Speaker 4: My nigga fuck I looked like climbing up them stairs,
Speaker 4: my size and my foot fucked up. I said, my nigga,
Speaker 4: I got your brad nigga. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 4: if you had a trillion dollars upstairs, I ain't coming
Speaker 4: upstairs to night bus the convicts and fuck you and
Speaker 4: fucked that, and Biggie bounced. We had another session. We're
Speaker 4: in the same studio, no beg Interestingly, I don't know
Speaker 4: if anybody wrote they rhyme or even a piece of it,
Speaker 4: but nobody laid they shit because motherfuckers wanted to see
Speaker 4: what Biggie was gonna do. Never got the nis. In
Speaker 4: meth verse, I go to sound tracks. The third day,
Speaker 4: Elevator's fine, big and Seeds come. They pull up methan
Speaker 4: and nis came two days in a row. Now no Biggie,
Speaker 4: so they was not coming on the third day. We
Speaker 4: and the motherfucking stew at the time branching and selling
Speaker 4: the most incredible bud in the hood, and he would
Speaker 4: sell them in these jars that looked like motherfucking pickle jaws,
Speaker 4: Mason jaws. Seeds would roll the blunts and Biggie would
Speaker 4: come with the branching jaws and they're rolling weed blunt.
Speaker 4: After Blunt after Blunt and Biggie just sitting in this
Speaker 4: one of the studio chairs that got the wheels on
Speaker 4: it that roll around. He's sitting in that shit just
Speaker 4: doing this while a beat was playing. One hour, two hours.
Speaker 4: He's just smoking. He ain't writing nothing. Said about three
Speaker 4: hours in.
Speaker 5: I'm just like my.
Speaker 4: Nigga, you ain't gonna you're gonna do this verse one, nigga.
Speaker 4: The nigga said, I'm ready. Buss said ready, you ain't right, shit,
Speaker 4: I'm ready, Bus, You're going to booth. He does the verse.
Speaker 4: Diamonds on my neck, chron drop top nigga seenland pound
Speaker 4: of green. Ooh wee you see the ugliest money hungriest
Speaker 4: Brooklyn Lockness nine millimeter one test, comfort tests and that
Speaker 4: and the winner is not that thin a kid Ban
Speaker 4: Danna's tattoos, my skin never bruised, laying still cruise Frank White.
Speaker 5: So you know what he's doing. You know he doing
Speaker 5: that you shooting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your guy though it's my guy. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And he goes and this other party goes. He goes.
Speaker 4: Kai actor needs chiropractor for crack jaw. Yes, I rocked
Speaker 4: your chatter box danger Rishia not I gets down, twist
Speaker 4: your body round and round upside down. I said, Big,
Speaker 4: I ain't putting this out, putting this out bag because
Speaker 4: Pop was my friend too. Pop choked the sound man
Speaker 4: out for me at a college show when we was
Speaker 4: leaders of the New School because we got there late.
Speaker 4: The nigga turned their equipment off and wouldn't let us
Speaker 4: get a sound check. The stick of Pock ran up
Speaker 4: on this man and just choked him. We only got
Speaker 4: one album out. He calling us legend. He's still dancing
Speaker 4: for fucking Digital Underground. We ain't legends yet, but in
Speaker 4: poc eyes, we was the legends. I love these niggas, man,
Speaker 4: I got to be the mediator. I can't add fuel
Speaker 4: of this fire. I ain't put it out. So when
Speaker 4: Big pass Pop passed, did he working on a Born
Speaker 4: Again album? And if you listen to the Born Again album,
Speaker 4: Biggie was Diddy was looking for verses that might have
Speaker 4: been laying around that was never released commercially that Big
Speaker 4: had recorded. And I told Diddy that I had this
Speaker 4: verse for a long time. So when did he wanted diverse?
Speaker 4: I said, you gotta give me back the money that
Speaker 4: I paid Big. You could have a verse because I
Speaker 4: already know that number one. I wasn't putting it out
Speaker 4: with the back and forth. And I also knew that
Speaker 4: once Biggie passed, yes, whatever was gonna happen with Big,
Speaker 4: Big Moms needed to sanction it. She needed to bless it,
Speaker 4: she needed to be okay with it. I knew Puff
Speaker 4: had to clear it. So I wasn't gonna be able
Speaker 4: to put it out anyway, even if I did do
Speaker 4: it the way that I ended up doing it on
Speaker 4: the Born Again album, Because if you listen to the
Speaker 4: Born Again album, there's a song called Dangerous some Seas
Speaker 4: and I told Diddy, if I give you this verse,
Speaker 4: I need to control this record creatively. So I went
Speaker 4: and got one of my favorite producers, Notch the Ruler
Speaker 4: from VA. He gave me one of the craziest beats.
Speaker 4: Snoop Mark Curry, myself and Biggie is on a song,
Speaker 4: but in the lines where Biggie might have said something
Speaker 4: to Pop, I muted those lines and I put bars
Speaker 4: there to cover up those dishes, so it sounded like
Speaker 4: me and Big going back and forth. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And that's one of the gems that the
Speaker 4: world finally got the hair about. Wow, that's dope. So
Speaker 4: y'all getting that story from the motherfucker. Y'all getting real smoke.
Speaker 1: Quickly quickly speak on and not quickly speak on your
Speaker 1: relationship with Pop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, My, my relationship with Pop was super duper beautiful.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you something. Biggie and Me was closer
Speaker 4: than me and Pop, But my relationship with Pap was incredible.
Speaker 4: This is this is the moment when I knew me
Speaker 4: and Pop was really solid. While I was shooting the
Speaker 4: Higher Learning movie Me Pop on my epps. We all
Speaker 4: stayed in those awkward oparments them fully furnish its in
Speaker 4: the West Coast, but this one in particularly was on
Speaker 4: Hollywood and Fuller and at the time, I think me
Speaker 4: and Pok stayed on the same floor. So I would
Speaker 4: come out of my apartment, walk down the hall, bust
Speaker 4: a left, and go to pock apartment. We both was
Speaker 4: on the first floor. During this time was when a
Speaker 4: lot of the crazy shit started with Poc jacked the
Speaker 4: rapper in Atlanta and he sent his motherfucking six' four
Speaker 4: down there and he ended up shooting the cop off
Speaker 4: through the police. Pac was staying in the Oakland apartments
Speaker 4: in Hollywood and Fuller. When Pop got back from that,
Speaker 4: Pop became superpowerl because he felt like the cops was
Speaker 4: going to be out to kill him no matter what
Speaker 4: state he was in, so he had gotten wild arsenal.
Speaker 5: He kept an NPC beat.
Speaker 4: Me in the crib and like I literally watched them
Speaker 4: write about seven songs to the same Misley brother sample.
Speaker 4: Each song was about different shit. I couldn't understand that.
Speaker 4: After a while, I get tired of hand the motherfucking beat.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear that beat to write no
Speaker 4: more songs to it. I'm write the one damn song
Speaker 4: to it. I'm off the damn beat. He wrote seven
Speaker 4: songs of the same beat. The next thing that was
Speaker 4: happening to him or that did happen to him, and
Speaker 4: we used to just build all the time and just
Speaker 4: smoke and chop it up. But the next thing that
Speaker 4: happened to him that I had to play a rolling
Speaker 4: was before the Source Awards was on TV, and before
Speaker 4: the Source Awards with the Ship which with Sugar and
Speaker 4: all of them towards Diddy. You know, at the time,
Speaker 4: we would perform off of these dat tapes, right, So
Speaker 4: It's not like an instant we play or like the
Speaker 4: Serado where you could just press the button and shit
Speaker 4: start over. Right, you gotta the wind that shit like
Speaker 4: a cassette. It's like a mini VCR tape. Right, it's
Speaker 4: called that tape. Did you do audio tape? You press
Speaker 4: that shit and it goes. If you don't go with
Speaker 4: the motherfucker, you miss your placement. So if a motherfucker
Speaker 4: press play, you just go. So Tribe had won Best
Speaker 4: Group award at the Soorcial Wards at the time, and
Speaker 4: while they were doing their acceptance speech, whoever the producer
Speaker 4: was of the show, this nigga press pocks that. So
Speaker 4: it looked like Poc came out in the middle of
Speaker 4: the acceptance speech on some fuck them shit. So he
Speaker 4: looked like he was dis Tribe because he just came
Speaker 4: out performing on the top of the acceptance speech, like
Speaker 4: he didn't care that they just won their award and
Speaker 4: they trying to do their acceptance speech or whatever. That
Speaker 4: shit led to instant beef. So Tribe and some of
Speaker 4: the Zulus they stepped the pocket and that shit almost
Speaker 4: became something. Poc comes back to La and calls me
Speaker 4: and tell me come higher. At him because he know
Speaker 4: how close I am with Tribed. The world know at
Speaker 4: this point because you know scenario and all of that shit,
Speaker 4: and we you know, everybody, and we see me with
Speaker 4: Tribus one thing or another. I'm with Tribe, right. So
Speaker 4: Pac calls me and Donnie Simpson was on beet still
Speaker 4: at the time, and Tupac when I get to his crib,
Speaker 4: he just was like, yo, bro, you know everything I
Speaker 4: just explained to you. He explained to me. He was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I would never distribe like I love them niggas.
Speaker 4: Them niggas don't be disrespecting nobody, and I'm fans of
Speaker 4: they fucking music them niggas is incredible. You know.
Speaker 5: They pressed my dad.
Speaker 4: I thought it was time for me to go, so
Speaker 4: I just went, you know what I'm saying, I ain't
Speaker 4: know what was happening with the speech and all of that,
Speaker 4: so I want you to if you can get me
Speaker 4: on the phone with Q tips so I could let
Speaker 4: him know it wasn't intentional. I got them on the phone.
Speaker 4: They squashed the beef. The arrangement was they were supposed
Speaker 4: to do something on BET to make a public truce
Speaker 4: so that the world could see them showing each other
Speaker 4: love and embrace, and I think it was supposed to
Speaker 4: happen on Donnie Simmons or with Rap City. I don't
Speaker 4: know if Rap City was on yet with Tiger. That's
Speaker 4: how earlier this shit was because Donnie Simpson was video soul.
Speaker 4: He was video soul, and how Learning came out January.
Speaker 4: It came out early ninety four, So I don't know
Speaker 4: if Rap City was on then, But Donnie Simpson, I
Speaker 4: knew they to go on his shit, get the show,
Speaker 4: and the coordination for them to get around to it
Speaker 4: didn't happen. And then Pop died two years later in
Speaker 4: ninety six, so they never got the chance to squash.
Speaker 5: It for the world.
Speaker 4: They squashed it in front of each other, but they
Speaker 4: really wanted the world to see it because Poc really
Speaker 4: real shit. Poc really was on some He loved the
Speaker 4: East Coast so much that he was doing a one
Speaker 4: nation project where it was a bunch of East Coast
Speaker 4: niggas rocking with West Coast niggas. Greg Nichan, all of
Speaker 4: them was involved with that project. Buckshot bad App, you know,
Speaker 4: he was involved with that project. It was a lot
Speaker 4: of New York MC's rocking with West Coast MCS under
Speaker 4: the vision that Tupac had to create this unified front
Speaker 4: and call this shit one nation to settle down the
Speaker 4: East Coast West Coast shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And he didn't get to see that through yet neither.
Speaker 4: I mean, these songs still exist, that project is still around,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I got I got,
Speaker 4: I got a few of them sessions in my own
Speaker 4: hard drive, you know what I'm saying, Because I was
Speaker 4: supposed to get on a few of them songs. But
Speaker 4: the point that I'm trying to make is from choking
Speaker 4: a motherfucker that wouldn't let me get my soundcheck done
Speaker 4: when I was in Leaders at the New School all
Speaker 4: the way to and mind you, leaders broke up in
Speaker 4: ninety three. We're talking like ninety two ninety one. This
Speaker 4: shit happened all the way down to ninety four, ninety three,
Speaker 4: ninety five, even I would say ninety four ninety three,
Speaker 4: him wanting me to play a role into squashing this
Speaker 4: shit with him a Q tip. It just it's a
Speaker 4: testament to how much of a respect and a love
Speaker 4: that we had for each other because we helped each
Speaker 4: other be solution based on shit. Like even when he
Speaker 4: got into the beef with the soundcheck man, we were
Speaker 4: straining him, like, my nigga, we don't want you to
Speaker 4: get in trouble over some shit that ain't worth it.
Speaker 4: We ain't never it was never about doing shit to
Speaker 4: be advocates of create a problem. It was always advocating
Speaker 4: to find solutions to solve problems. And that was the
Speaker 4: relationship dynamic with me and Pop and with us and Pop.
Speaker 4: And you know again, at that time, your mentality was different.
Speaker 4: Nobody was on some yo was get on the gram
Speaker 4: and end nigga out or get on the record and
Speaker 4: end nigga out. Nine niggas called each other and wanted
Speaker 4: to pull up and figure this shit out, like what's
Speaker 4: really good? You know, if it's gonna be something, then
Speaker 4: let's settle it this way and get it over with.
Speaker 4: You know, we ain't got to Nobody gotta get shot right,
Speaker 4: Nobody don't even got to know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Let's just handle it the way we're going to handle
Speaker 4: it and stand on business. And that was it, and
Speaker 4: miss them days, but we still love pol those integrities
Speaker 4: and those morals and principles on this side believe that what.
Speaker 1: Is your thought and you don't have to go too
Speaker 1: deep into it, but obviously kind of being neutral as
Speaker 1: far as having love for too of the main people
Speaker 1: in the East Coast, West Coast, beef rivalry, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, How did you play that?
Speaker 3: Or you just step all the way back and just watch. Nah.
Speaker 4: I did everything that I could at the time. I
Speaker 4: wasn't able to have the same access to Pop, so
Speaker 4: I had no real influence in the situation. When it
Speaker 4: came to him, Like when he got around death Row,
Speaker 4: it was different, you know what I'm saying, Biggie, I
Speaker 4: was able to speak to him, and the beautiful thing
Speaker 4: about Big is he didn't even really want to respond
Speaker 4: to none of it because he loved Poc and true story,
Speaker 4: he had a lot of appreciation for shit that Poc
Speaker 4: gave him as gems to help evolve his way of
Speaker 4: thinking to become who he became. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Pac was obviously out before Big, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And when they got super cool, you know, he was
Speaker 4: able to give Big some game that Big was able
Speaker 4: to apply in a real way, and he loved and
Speaker 4: appreciated Poc for it. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 4: think Big was more hurt than disrespected, Like he felt
Speaker 4: more hurt, you know what I mean, than anything. So
Speaker 4: it wasn't hard to have those conversations with Big because
Speaker 4: Big really just wanted it. He wanted to settle it.
Speaker 4: He didn't want to provoke it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of challenging to talk about it because
Speaker 4: you know, I know certain shit that I'm not going
Speaker 4: to disclose that. Sometimes it's interesting to hear young dudes,
Speaker 4: you know, speak about the situation and they don't really
Speaker 4: know what they talking about, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like Biggie and Poc, they had absolutely nothing to do
Speaker 4: with what happened to him. You know, Pop got involved
Speaker 4: with shit in New York that he should not have
Speaker 4: because of his desire to want to be accepted and
Speaker 4: loved by his thugs. And sometimes every dog ain't pro
Speaker 4: your movement for the empowerment of thugs. Some of them
Speaker 4: gonna look at you like a Burger or Frankfurter with
Speaker 4: fucking hands and feet, ye, and it become food to them.
Speaker 4: And situations can get manipulated for you to fall into
Speaker 4: certain traps, and unfortunately something of that nature could have
Speaker 4: been avoided if Bro just would have moved a little different.
Speaker 4: I just don't like that it ended up bleeding into
Speaker 4: it becoming this biggie in poct thing when it really
Speaker 4: wasn't even about Picky and Pot at least not the
Speaker 4: shit that happened to Pop. The ship that Pop, I
Speaker 4: guess was disappointed in was completely separate from any of
Speaker 4: that which it was so simple and petty. They could
Speaker 4: have spoken and resolved it. So with that being said,
Speaker 4: I really wish that I was able to have a
Speaker 4: stronger influence knowing the real dynamics of this shit, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But ultimately, what we know now
Speaker 4: and what we have the ability to do now is
Speaker 4: keep the motherfucking thoughts and all of the ideas that
Speaker 4: they sparked his thoughts in our minds and the greatness
Speaker 4: of their legacies. We're gonna keep them shits alive forever
Speaker 4: because them dudes is both heroes to me.
Speaker 2: So you talked about your health, your health journey, where
Speaker 2: were you at mentally physically or you said it really
Speaker 2: hits you when your father passed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know how to deal with my father
Speaker 4: passion at all. You know what I'm saying for two reasons.
Speaker 4: I think the first reason was I never experienced the
Speaker 4: death of a family member that close to me prior
Speaker 4: to my father passion.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had auns that passed, you know, grandparents that passed.
Speaker 4: You know, I've had cousins that passed. But if father,
Speaker 4: there's nothing that could replace that, nothing to co replace
Speaker 4: your mother. So that was weird to me, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know how to deal with it. Second thing was,
Speaker 4: you know, like I told you all, my father wasn't
Speaker 4: the biggest fan in the rap shit. He wasn't really
Speaker 4: supportive of you know, I was able to talk to
Speaker 4: my moms about the first time I had sex and
Speaker 4: shit like that, Like my moms were super cool. She would,
Speaker 4: she would, she would really encourage being truthful and being
Speaker 4: comfortable in my truth, you know, with her. My pops,
Speaker 4: I talked to him about getting some ass. He's like,
Speaker 4: he don't want to add that ship because you need
Speaker 4: to be focused on the ship that's that's going to
Speaker 4: help you. You got time to get with girls and shit,
Speaker 4: like get your school ship to get so that mentality
Speaker 4: with my pops I learned to appreciated later because he
Speaker 4: just wanted the best for me. At the time, I
Speaker 4: just was like, we ain't fucking with me, so it
Speaker 4: made me not feel like fucking with him. And when
Speaker 4: he got sick because he caught a heart attack, and
Speaker 4: he caught two heart attacks, the second one is really
Speaker 4: what fuck them up? But I was also having conflict
Speaker 4: with my brother, my only brother, and my pops didn't
Speaker 4: want nothing more than for me and my brother to squash.
Speaker 5: Shit before he passed.
Speaker 4: And between having my frustrations with him as my pop
Speaker 4: and my brother, I was on some fuck that shit
Speaker 4: and I'm grown and I'm paying my own bells and
Speaker 4: I'm taking care of my whole family. I'm doing this
Speaker 4: shit on my terms, which was selfish and it was stupid.
Speaker 4: So by the time I get I got cool with
Speaker 4: my pops, it wasn't long enough for me to enjoy
Speaker 4: him before he left, so I left with I lived
Speaker 4: with that guilt for a long fucking time, and that
Speaker 4: shit led to me drawing myself and work, drawing myself,
Speaker 4: and smoking, drawing myself and drinking, drawing myself and staying
Speaker 4: out late because I ain't want to be angry around
Speaker 4: the kids or angry around my woman at the time
Speaker 4: that was living with me, and I just was a
Speaker 4: grouchy motherfucker and extremely unhealthy. So all of this shit
Speaker 4: that I was doing, it made me gain weight to
Speaker 4: the point where I was the heaviest I ever been
Speaker 4: in my life. And I got to three hundred and
Speaker 4: forty pounds, and I was looking fucked up and I
Speaker 4: was feeling fucked up.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 4: I think just hearing that shit from my immediate circle
Speaker 4: of loved ones is what really started to make me
Speaker 4: feel crazy, because now you ain't the cool pops no
Speaker 4: more on you know what I'm saying. We concerned you,
Speaker 4: this ain't this is not the person that we love
Speaker 4: you something you turning into some other shit, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So when I started to hear that shit,
Speaker 4: that's when I was like, all, I gotta figure this
Speaker 4: shit out. And then the shit that really hit the fan.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 4: I was shooting the video for Czar, which was the
Speaker 4: first single on my second my last album, Extinction Level
Speaker 4: Event two, and my stomach was so big that the
Speaker 4: stylus at the time, which was a brother that I've
Speaker 4: been working with since, like not too long after. Put
Speaker 4: your hands with my eyes can see who came through
Speaker 4: June Ambrose, the legendary stylus. To make my stomach not
Speaker 4: look so big, these motherfuckers had to duct tape my
Speaker 4: stomach down. So this shit was the most embarrassed and shit.
Speaker 4: Literally like the big thick silver tape. It wrapped a
Speaker 4: thin saran wrap around my shit so that the tape
Speaker 4: wouldn't be against my skin. The duct tape Son and
Speaker 4: walked around.
Speaker 5: My body taping my fucking stomach down, Son so I.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't look as crazy as I actually look. Individuals, that
Speaker 4: shit was the worst fucking feeling ever. Video turned out banging.
Speaker 5: That same night.
Speaker 4: I think it was the anniversary of Biggie Passion. We
Speaker 4: go to this club called Poppies in La. My bro
Speaker 4: Fred Matters is DJing and I'm getting super drunk celebrating
Speaker 4: the video on him and Biggie Life. I overdid it
Speaker 4: to the point where that combined would sleep apnea and
Speaker 4: the PALOPs on my throat. I couldn't breathe properly. And
Speaker 4: then you drunk, so you're sleeping heavier and deeper when
Speaker 4: you drunk we get to my crab and the security
Speaker 4: couldn't wake me up. My oldest son who works at Blackrock,
Speaker 4: who was the three year old in the Wuha video,
Speaker 4: who's now thirty at the time when he was my
Speaker 4: road manager when this happened. It's all transpired in like
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen forty five minutes it took for them to
Speaker 4: wake me up to get me in the crab. He
Speaker 4: got so scared that he told the security everything that
Speaker 4: he felt. He was too scared to tell me because
Speaker 4: he ain't want to hurt me my feelings, so he
Speaker 4: asked them to say it to me, and they said
Speaker 4: it to me the next day, And the next day
Speaker 4: was when I went to the doctor by my breathing
Speaker 4: because I felt the shit wear the next day and
Speaker 4: that's when the nigga he stuck this shit in my
Speaker 4: nose and went down into my throat and.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Nigga just kept saying, oh my God, Like you're gonna
Speaker 4: say fucking on my guard again and not tell me
Speaker 4: what's going on and what you're saying, or you're gonna
Speaker 4: tell me on my guard and tell me what you're saying.
Speaker 4: He's like, you gotta go to the emergency room because
Speaker 4: ninety percent of your breathing passage is blocked. If you
Speaker 4: go to the crib and take a shower and your
Speaker 4: central ear system is on and catch a cold, at
Speaker 4: last ten percent of your breathing passages get blocked. You
Speaker 4: won't be able to breathe. You will be drowning above water.
Speaker 4: I said, I ain't going in on ambulance. He said, okay, well,
Speaker 4: you gotta sign this agreement right here, because I want
Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm exempt. If you're leaving something
Speaker 4: happened to you. You're not suing me because I'm telling
Speaker 4: you what they're doing. You ain't listening. I went straight
Speaker 4: to U shl a medical big up to doctor Chetrie.
Speaker 4: Doctor Chetrie is the one who saw my shit, kept
Speaker 4: me in there for two days, prepped me for the surgery,
Speaker 4: did the surgery, told me to go home. Now you
Speaker 4: gotta go and vocal rest like Mariah for the next
Speaker 4: two weeks. And I did it, came back. I ain't
Speaker 4: have to see another doctor about it. Palate problem when
Speaker 4: the lost weight transform turned into my little hercules shit.
Speaker 4: Then after that I got comfortable and gained my weight
Speaker 4: back A little bit, and then I went on tour
Speaker 4: with fifty and I came off for that motherfucker weighing
Speaker 4: probably the I'm probably the lightest I've ever been since
Speaker 4: Leaders and right now I'm in like two twenty six.
Speaker 4: When I went on that tour, I was two sixty.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna come down about ten more pounds
Speaker 4: and I might throw the action figure Nigga back on.
Speaker 3: Me as well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was. It was tough dealing with the
Speaker 5: loss of pops like that. Shit was.
Speaker 4: It's a domino effect. I'm definitely let it. It domino
Speaker 4: effected every single thing.
Speaker 5: Else bro.
Speaker 1: Higher Learning, Ice Cube Classic. I think y'all shot a
Speaker 1: light right, Yes, we did, yeh In my school talked
Speaker 1: to us about that process up, especially just I always
Speaker 1: pictured just y'all beating the skin just about that movie
Speaker 1: and just that process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you, that was the
Speaker 4: most incredible experience for me because that was the first time,
Speaker 4: like I had a coach starring role number one, So
Speaker 4: I was super gassed by that. I was super gassed
Speaker 4: with working with John Singleton. All I was thinking about
Speaker 4: with this the legendary boys of the Hood.
Speaker 5: God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was putting all of us in position
Speaker 4: of power more than any other director ever the MC's
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, the black actors, whether you
Speaker 4: you didn't have to have no skill set, no film
Speaker 4: or television acting history. He believed in you enough to
Speaker 4: pull something out of you to execute the job, and
Speaker 4: he put you in position. So I salute John Singleton.
Speaker 4: That made John Singleton's soul continue to rest peacefully. But
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this, the thing that I learned for
Speaker 4: the first time on his set was how motherfuckers stay
Speaker 4: in character even when they say cut. That ship was
Speaker 4: weird because I ain't understand it. And when niggas say cut,
Speaker 4: I knew how to get back to bust rhymes. I
Speaker 4: knew how to get back to Trevor Smith. I knew
Speaker 4: how to get back to Lord Tyen. I knew how
Speaker 4: to get back to chill O' scheme. You might see
Speaker 4: all the bigger than one Night, like Yo Yo Yo
Speaker 4: so so. The dude who was the leader of the Skinheads,
Speaker 4: I forget his name, but he's a super known actor,
Speaker 4: super successful actor. But the leader of the Skinheads, who
Speaker 4: you know convinced Michael Rappaport to become a skinhead. He
Speaker 4: stayed in character the whole film. This motherfucker used to
Speaker 4: come on set and go into the trailer with like
Speaker 4: Nazi paraphernalia that he brought himself. That ship used to
Speaker 4: bug us the fuck out, bro. He would walk past
Speaker 4: you and not say nothing like fuck you, looking at
Speaker 4: Nigga like he was on it, on it for real,
Speaker 4: like so and he was the nicest dude in the
Speaker 4: planet like but he just stayed in character the entire film.
Speaker 4: It really wasn't until it was done that he interacted
Speaker 4: with people. And that ship was crazy cube at the
Speaker 4: at the at the end of the day, me and
Speaker 4: Omar we stayed in the same apartment complex with Tupac,
Speaker 4: which was the Oak with the States in Fuller in Hollywood.
Speaker 4: So we was vibing all the time. And I ain't
Speaker 4: had I ain't know. This was the first experience. I
Speaker 4: ain't know to have a barber with you bring your
Speaker 4: own barber, so I had to use on my Epps barber.
Speaker 5: I think we called him Shorty.
Speaker 4: No, he actually was killing my ship because I had
Speaker 4: much to do, because I had to dream line, right,
Speaker 4: you know, he just give me a nice lineup and
Speaker 4: I'm Gucci. But Cube, for the first there's time I
Speaker 4: saw a motherfucker have their studio in their trailer, Like
Speaker 4: Cube had a full blown studio in this movie trailer.
Speaker 4: So he was recording on the set. And I will
Speaker 4: never forget this day when Na's second album it was written,
Speaker 4: was coming out. Bro that ellmatic fuck the streets up
Speaker 4: so bad that we was on the set counting down
Speaker 4: the days to get that it was written album from Nas.
Speaker 4: Like the conversation every day when we would come to
Speaker 4: the set in the morning and eat breakfast and freshen
Speaker 4: up on our lines and pop out a little shit
Speaker 4: amongst each other. That Na's conversation was every day on
Speaker 4: the movie set. Regina King, she was incredible, Like I'm
Speaker 4: such a huge fan of her, super duper proud of her,
Speaker 4: Like she's one of the best actors in human beings
Speaker 4: and one of the most beautiful women in the world
Speaker 4: to me. Super big up to Tyra Banks too, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. At the time, Hunt John, I
Speaker 4: think they was in a relationship and he just was
Speaker 4: taking care of his people, man. And you know one
Speaker 4: thing that I could say about John, not only did
Speaker 4: he take care of his people, because he came back
Speaker 4: and got us for shit like he got you know,
Speaker 4: he put tyres in position, he put cuban position, He
Speaker 4: put me in position to Raji. He brought me back
Speaker 4: for fucking shaft like he would come back and get us.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It ain't like he would
Speaker 4: just use you one time and that was it. He
Speaker 4: came back and got you. Come on back, Let's do
Speaker 4: it again.
Speaker 5: Fuck it.
Speaker 4: But for John, the reason why I'm really bigging him
Speaker 4: up is because when you really think about his legacy
Speaker 4: and you think about boys in the hood all the
Speaker 4: way to snowfall on me, I don't know if there's
Speaker 4: another motherfucker that did it is ilaz him from start
Speaker 4: to returning back to the essence he did it to
Speaker 4: illis So I thank John for everything.
Speaker 5: Rest in Peace or Rest in Peace of the King.
Speaker 1: Nominated for twelve Grammys. Still haven't received that trophy. Obviously,
Speaker 1: your career is decorated and cemented as one of the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time. You know, athletes, we play to
Speaker 1: win championships. Grammys is kind of like a championship. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like you need one for self validation because
Speaker 1: we already already know what you are. But what would
Speaker 1: it mean if you were able to get one?
Speaker 4: I like and I enjoy what I've experienced last year
Speaker 4: because what I've experienced last year in my thirty three
Speaker 4: years are professionally recording. Actually this year makes thirty four, right,
Speaker 4: but in thirty three years of doing it, And I
Speaker 4: say thirty three is because my thirty third year, which
Speaker 4: is the Jesus year, is when I've received my flowers
Speaker 4: in an abundance that I've never received it in before.
Speaker 4: From the Lifetime Achievement Award at the BT Awards, me
Speaker 4: being able to have all of my children since they've
Speaker 4: been born.
Speaker 5: In the same room together.
Speaker 4: I never I never had a picture with all of
Speaker 4: my kids in the same room until last year. I
Speaker 4: still haven't. You know what I'm saying. My happiness and
Speaker 4: my joy is at a level that I've never I
Speaker 4: never knew this kind of happy existing.
Speaker 3: I love to hear that that's deep until.
Speaker 4: Last year, bro, and the fucking fun that I'm having.
Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all noticed, but I don't think
Speaker 4: before last year, I haven't posted as much as I've
Speaker 4: started posting about the blessings, Like every post I talk
Speaker 4: about the blessings ain't stopping, So we ain't stopping.
Speaker 5: Stay blessed.
Speaker 4: Everything is just I'm appreciated, grateful the way I'm being blessed,
Speaker 4: I'm super grateful, and it's just getting more and more incredible,
Speaker 4: man Like I got incredible people that really love a motherfucker,
Speaker 4: and I want to keep experiencing that. None of that
Speaker 4: is gonna determine the greatness I think we do this
Speaker 4: shit and the reason why we end up receiving these
Speaker 4: beautiful things. And I always say, you know, ain't no
Speaker 4: timing better than the most highest time, and God clock
Speaker 4: is the best clock ever. When we do this shit,
Speaker 4: we love and it's coming from a place of passion.
Speaker 4: And it ain't for the bag you already won. You
Speaker 4: already won because you're gonna do it anyway. It's provided
Speaker 4: something else that the bag probably can't.
Speaker 5: It's giving you a fulfillment, self fulfillment, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Nothing else could give you it like that.
Speaker 4: But the beautiful shit is because you do it from
Speaker 4: a place of love and personal fulfillment. When you get
Speaker 4: the bag on top of it, it's so fuck amazing
Speaker 4: because it never feels like work. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So if I get the Grammys, yes, I'm gonna add
Speaker 4: that shit to the botanical garden.
Speaker 5: The flowers up and received like a motherfucker right up.
Speaker 4: But if I don't get it, it don't change the
Speaker 4: fact that I can still go down in history on
Speaker 4: my Bob Mally shit because Bob ain't never get a
Speaker 4: Grammy either. You know what I'm saying, But you can't
Speaker 4: tell Bob Marley legacy nothing right, And I'm comfortable.
Speaker 5: With that too.
Speaker 1: That's dope, all right. Last question before we get the
Speaker 1: quick hits. This shit's been amazing. So yeah, your influence
Speaker 1: you've had on artists such as Eminem Tai, Lib Quality
Speaker 1: k Dot, you Major Mark thirty three, thirty four years now,
Speaker 1: what do you think back when you look, you know,
Speaker 1: on your journey, where it started, where you are now,
Speaker 1: the people you've encourage, the doors you've opened, the people
Speaker 1: you've got to meet. What do you sit back and
Speaker 1: think about because I feel like often we're on the
Speaker 1: hamster wheel, so we don't get to kind of look back,
Speaker 1: and man, man, I had to run. So when you
Speaker 1: get a chance to kind of sit back and think,
Speaker 1: you know what comes to your mind.
Speaker 4: The first thing that comes to my mind all the
Speaker 4: time is just how incredible I feel that the Most
Speaker 4: High has blessed me with this gift and the ability
Speaker 4: to share it. You know what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 4: that's why I overwork. I don't miss a day in
Speaker 4: the studio, even if I'm sick. I go to the
Speaker 4: studio with my medicine, my chicken noodle soup, my ginger root,
Speaker 4: the whole shit, and I will sit down and just
Speaker 4: lay there. Even if I don't feel strong enough to record,
Speaker 4: I'll go there and just lay down and relax. Because
Speaker 4: being in them four walls therapeutic for motherfucker. I could
Speaker 4: think about being the all five, six, seven, eight Avengeance combined,
Speaker 4: and I could be that nigga in that fucking studio
Speaker 4: and can't nobody tell me nothing, and the studio don't
Speaker 4: argue with you, and the studio ain't talking back and
Speaker 4: trying to manipulate and over talk you and act like
Speaker 4: it don't want to listen. I avoid all of that
Speaker 4: when I go to the stool. So sometimes it's the sanctuary.
Speaker 4: I actually heal quicker because I ain't got a cater
Speaker 4: to nothing in there. I'm at the most piece when
Speaker 4: I'm in the studio number two. Every name that you
Speaker 4: just said, they're my favorite artists. I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 4: a buck. I don't think nobody could fuck with Eminem.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, doctor Umar, stop it, Wolence.
Speaker 3: That's all I need to be said, man, Wilence.
Speaker 4: And and there's a lot of shit that doctor Umar
Speaker 4: said that I agree with, but this is one particular
Speaker 4: one when you way off the kilt. Bro. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Eminem is the truth, Bro, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I actually I got a song coming
Speaker 4: out with with with an artist you know, that I
Speaker 4: had to address about, you know, his testimonial and the
Speaker 4: opinion on Eminem two. I had to check him on
Speaker 4: his own song in rhyme form. Oh so, y'all just
Speaker 4: stay tuned for that. And I'm a huge fan of
Speaker 4: the artist that I made the record with. But the
Speaker 4: beautiful thing is what makes these moments specialists when you
Speaker 4: could be honest on these records and we ain't got
Speaker 4: a front, So don't put yourself in a situation and
Speaker 4: then asks me to rhyme with you because I'm going
Speaker 4: to check you when you can't argue with me, because
Speaker 4: I'm the fucking of the statesmen in the timeless great Now.
Speaker 4: With that being said, Kendrick is my favorite, Eminem is
Speaker 4: my favorite, Ta lib Quality is my favorite. Loot is
Speaker 4: one of my favorites. Smeno JD J. Cole Drake, Lil Wayne,
Speaker 4: Rick Ross. Huh word, I got way too many favorites.
Speaker 4: Rock Chim is one of my favorites. Caine, Slick, Rick,
Speaker 4: krs One, Chuck d. I'll be here forever going down
Speaker 4: this list. But what I'm saying is to the younger
Speaker 4: ones or the ones that might have came after me,
Speaker 4: to hear them actually acknowledging, big me up and give
Speaker 4: me my flowers. Whether it's in a conversation piece, it's
Speaker 4: in an interview, that feeling and the thought that crosses
Speaker 4: my mind is super humble, humbling and gratitude and appreciation.
Speaker 4: And I'm such a giver of love that even if
Speaker 4: you don't big me up in that way, one thing
Speaker 4: I know is the difference between the truth and the lies.
Speaker 4: The truth don't change, only lives do. So even if
Speaker 4: you don't speak it, it's showing prove us. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, we know who my DNA is in pause.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you know, the
Speaker 4: great thing is motherfucker's actually acknowledge that. You know, we
Speaker 4: all take a little thing from each other. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna front like I could see Kendrick, and I can
Speaker 4: to Kendrick and watch Kendrick, and I want a rhyme
Speaker 4: with Kendrick because he is evoking and emotion in me.
Speaker 4: Eminem is the same shit. He brings the best out
Speaker 4: of me. These dudes bring the best out of me.
Speaker 4: I did a song with Eminem called Calm Down. I
Speaker 4: sent it to him with sixteen bars. He gonna send
Speaker 4: back forty eight. Not doing that to me on my record.
Speaker 4: I sent to fifty four. He sends me back sixty two.
Speaker 4: I sit back sixty eight. Who we making the song
Speaker 4: for at this point? Yeah, movie, we ain't making no
Speaker 4: song for the consumer. We just battling, not a record
Speaker 4: a seven minutes. They ain't playing it in the club,
Speaker 4: They not gonna play it in the radio. We might
Speaker 4: get some satellite radio spins, we might get some motherfucking
Speaker 4: blogs to talk about this shit, because it's an eventful moment.
Speaker 4: But we turned a record that could have been a
Speaker 4: radio joint into a Me and you straight raw hip
Speaker 4: hop fuck the rules moment because we love it so
Speaker 4: much that the competitive nature we both have forced us
Speaker 4: to bring the best out of each other. Only dudes
Speaker 4: like that can cause me to be this way. So
Speaker 4: I love em, I love Kendrick, I love ty Lip
Speaker 4: Quality and every other MC that I just said, And
Speaker 4: these is the dudes when they pick me up, it
Speaker 4: just really feels fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on the spot right here. Named
Speaker 1: one MC that represents each borough in New York.
Speaker 4: One MC that reps each borough in New York. Let
Speaker 4: me think of this one good buster rhymes, I rep
Speaker 4: every borough.
Speaker 5: Because I'm on my.
Speaker 4: New York shit hat to the back of my New
Speaker 4: York shit. I'm on my New York shit. Tim's with
Speaker 4: the shorts of my New York shit. Fuck you talking
Speaker 4: about I repped the Giants, the jadge to New York.
Speaker 4: Next telling me clothing in my New York stitch, my
Speaker 4: chick banging, what you see my New York bitch?
Speaker 5: Fuck you mean? Ill rap all the burrow man, every
Speaker 5: burrow man.
Speaker 3: Next question, who is your childhood crush.
Speaker 4: Janet off grip and got off rip when I used
Speaker 4: to watch her on fucking good times and even when
Speaker 4: she was Willis golfriend on different strokes. I ain't gonna
Speaker 4: lie two penny bro facts of life, Kim Fields Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she was a mean one for me to now plate
Speaker 4: grown now to y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'm outside, let me stop playing. Hey, that
Speaker 1: makes sense though, why you did the studio the way
Speaker 1: you did for Jenna appreciative, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of loving that.
Speaker 4: Love respect, and I still had that crush and that
Speaker 4: nervous right I had to get out the road, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Now, my moms did an
Speaker 4: amazing job with making sure that being a gentleman was
Speaker 4: first and foremost, and Kim Fields and Janet, the respect
Speaker 4: level is so tremendous, you know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 4: too It's so many women I would love the bigger, bigger,
Speaker 4: Missy Elliott Man.
Speaker 1: She okay, so she's one of my favorite. Talk about
Speaker 1: Missy for a seconds, she's one of my favorite. I
Speaker 1: don't think she gets to her and Tim, but don't
Speaker 1: they don't really get the what they did for that
Speaker 1: era of music.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest, she's getting her fucking flowers now, brother.
Speaker 3: Yes, I hear.
Speaker 4: She got the Vanguard Award from the vm as she
Speaker 4: just been became the first female hip hop artist to
Speaker 4: ever be inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Like that ship is the most prestigious decorated award ever.
Speaker 4: Like hip hop existed fifty years now, they never ever
Speaker 4: gave it to one female MC.
Speaker 5: Prior to her.
Speaker 4: Wow, fifty years. No, No, not one female guy that
Speaker 4: before Missy. It's a testament to what you're saying, though,
Speaker 4: how much has she has done and what Tim has done,
Speaker 4: it's definitely a one of none. There's been a lot
Speaker 4: of female MC's, but you gotta think about it, Like
Speaker 4: Missy writes for the most successful other artists ever, produces
Speaker 4: smashes everybody with her own ship. She could fuck up
Speaker 4: the live shows when she feels like doing it, but
Speaker 4: she got so much money that you will very rarely
Speaker 4: see her on the stage, and her visuals is probably
Speaker 4: the closest thing that could fuck with anything that I've
Speaker 4: done out of everybody's. That's the female twin sister of
Speaker 4: buster rhymes. I hold Missy in the highest regard. I
Speaker 4: love that woman in a very like She inspired as
Speaker 4: me so much. Bro, we inspire each other. You know,
Speaker 4: I've been putting my ship out before Missy, but Missy
Speaker 4: she showed me the same love and appreciation from her
Speaker 4: very first album. She she was probably the first person
Speaker 4: to get me on an album and and not even
Speaker 4: make me rhyme, like just get on here and talk
Speaker 4: some shit and fuck around. But I just want your
Speaker 4: voice on my ship, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: She from the inception of hip hop. Miss's the first
Speaker 4: one to get the rock and roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: So hats off to miss you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, she she She ain't stopping no time
Speaker 4: soon either, now that am mine. We just cut from
Speaker 4: a cloth manufacture no more.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's familiar with it personally, but
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Speaker 4: that's got all got every amazing food. They've been catering
Speaker 4: all of my album photo shoots pretty much my entire
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Speaker 4: up until up until probably The Big Bang and then
Speaker 4: and Ali Trush is a legend. She did fucking o
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Speaker 4: photo shoot for every album that Topaz was in the building,
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Speaker 1: let's expand Stuck on the Island. Three movies to show
Speaker 1: in rotation.
Speaker 4: I want snowfall, of course, gotta have it, funk that
Speaker 4: gotta have snowfall. There's a fucking series that only had
Speaker 4: one season and it was on Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3: Was the Regina the Netflix? A minute, seven seconds, seven minutes.
Speaker 5: That was unbelieving. I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: I gotta out.
Speaker 2: I got only one season season, right, That's why we're
Speaker 2: still talking about it.
Speaker 4: I'm watching that ship tonight, yo. But the ship I'm
Speaker 4: talking about. The aim of the ship was it was
Speaker 4: the same name three times, with no spaces in between
Speaker 4: the words. It was a show about some drug dealers
Speaker 4: and some some like all this old man mafia, that
Speaker 4: old man godfather that was actually in charge of bringing
Speaker 4: like this big, super out of control portion of drugs
Speaker 4: to these mafia families because he took took money from
Speaker 4: them or whatever.
Speaker 1: And zero zero zero son, There he goes again, zero
Speaker 1: zero zero, There he goes again.
Speaker 5: Looked it up?
Speaker 3: Okay, zero zero much credit out?
Speaker 5: That shit is crazy one season. It never came back.
Speaker 4: That ship is crazy Amazon, Amazon's Amazon Prime. One season.
Speaker 4: That shit never came back. It's super crazy, all right?
Speaker 4: So I got a third one? What is my third one?
Speaker 4: This might just be a movie. This not might not
Speaker 4: be a series. I don't know why I love this movie.
Speaker 4: This movie just did something else to me. But when
Speaker 4: you said seven, there's a movie called seven. Yeah, with
Speaker 4: the Deadly Me and all of that ship. The movie
Speaker 4: was fucking ill to me. To crazy, right, they sold
Speaker 4: that nigga mouthfucker, Margaret Freeman, and so they wouldn't eat.
Speaker 5: Because he was a glutton. You know.
Speaker 4: Not this movie was so crazy, but that it would
Speaker 4: be that type of ships that them action dramas.
Speaker 5: And and suspense suspense thrillers.
Speaker 4: I'm a fanatic for them ships, big bro. So yeah,
Speaker 4: if I was stranding on the island, them three ships
Speaker 4: is what I need.
Speaker 2: One guess you would like to see on All the Smoke,
Speaker 2: But you have to help Leu's get your answer on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 5: Twist.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna interrupt this question. I normally don't if
Speaker 1: you got a personal relationship with Missy that would make
Speaker 1: my whole years.
Speaker 4: I definitely do. Please, I'm gonna tell you something now.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you. Go to see now
Speaker 4: that's different because your step.
Speaker 5: That's one thing she she it's hard to get her
Speaker 5: to step.
Speaker 3: Out we'll step in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, missy will step in respectfully. Shoes no shoes on neither.
Speaker 5: Now, that's that's my sister.
Speaker 4: And and I will definitely reach out and and and
Speaker 4: I would let her understand this is not regular. Rest
Speaker 4: the piece magoo too well, Rest in peace to Magoo. Man,
Speaker 4: rest in peace to Magool. Or they just recently passed. Man,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's crazy. And my mom's always would say,
Speaker 4: you know, we're not old, but we're grown. And the
Speaker 4: more grown we become, the more regular it becomes when
Speaker 4: we see our people pass. And again with that being said, motherfuckers,
Speaker 4: take full advantage of the present. That's why it's called
Speaker 4: the present. And and and value the present like the
Speaker 4: scene gift that you value when you receive it, with
Speaker 4: the fucking gift wrapping the ribbon on it. Enjoy it
Speaker 4: the same way, you know what I'm saying, Because one thing,
Speaker 4: the most hid on os is another five seconds out
Speaker 4: this bitch real shit.
Speaker 5: So enjoy it. Value it.
Speaker 4: Don't be afraid of reluctant to tell your people, your folks,
Speaker 4: you love them. Fuck that bear hugs is okay amongst
Speaker 4: grown men, you know what I'm saying. And and and
Speaker 4: women and men. I mean, you know, it's a little
Speaker 4: weird with the sexual assault shit. Trust me, I'll shake
Speaker 4: your hand before I give you women a hug, But overall,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna still hug the ones that I know what.
Speaker 5: My hug means.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like, you know, Missy, we love you,
Speaker 4: Yes we do. I'm gonna say it right now. I
Speaker 4: love all of my fellow brothers and sisters in this
Speaker 4: shit period. And as y'all can see, I don't have
Speaker 4: conflict with people, nobody. I don't have those problems. I
Speaker 4: love people. I'm a giver of love. We're gonna keep
Speaker 4: it that way too. In fact, we're gonna step the
Speaker 4: ship up and keep each other lifted up while we
Speaker 4: love each other.
Speaker 3: That's right, man, that.
Speaker 1: Part bus Man, we appreciate. I mean, just to get
Speaker 1: an opportunity. This has been one of my favorite interviews.
Speaker 1: And I think the owner of the building, We're sorry,
Speaker 1: we're probably.
Speaker 3: An hour and a half past. We couldn't turn this off,
Speaker 3: couldn't turn this off.
Speaker 5: This was beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know, the chance to obviously be a fan, but
Speaker 1: you know, befriend you over the last handful of years.
Speaker 3: And then get to know more about you. Thank you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, and just how you you know
Speaker 3: what you've done.
Speaker 1: Obviously you accomplishment speak for themselves, but I think you
Speaker 1: know a better man, if that makes sense, than a
Speaker 1: great artist and great a lot of things, but to me,
Speaker 1: a better man. So it's just like it was an
Speaker 1: honor for you to sit down and come fuck with us.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you both, I've been a fan.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you. That made me a lot of money on bets.
Speaker 5: I'm not. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 4: The thing that I love the most about y'all both
Speaker 4: and particularly outside of being champions and being boss and
Speaker 4: a part of the elite group of the greatest athletes
Speaker 4: to ever do it, I love what y'all stand on
Speaker 4: and represent.
Speaker 5: As black men. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I don't cause no trouble, but y'all ain't got no
Speaker 4: problem finishing that shit with grace, with grace, with grace.
Speaker 3: You feel me.
Speaker 4: I've watched I've watched both of my brothers check motherfuckers,
Speaker 4: and it ain't about being tough. It's about being men.
Speaker 4: And they be trying to misconstrued a ship with the
Speaker 4: toxic masculinity talking all that fuck shit. No, we got
Speaker 4: young men's, young men's children and young men teenagers and
Speaker 4: young men that still think they.
Speaker 5: Men. But it's a difference between being a man and
Speaker 5: being a male. You have a male.
Speaker 4: You got your little Johnson swinging between your legs. You
Speaker 4: got a little legal adult age. You think you are man.
Speaker 4: You're not a man, bro you a man, You're an
Speaker 4: adult male. A man means you could take care of
Speaker 4: yourself and you can actually assist taking care of other people.
Speaker 4: Distinguish the difference between the two and stop moving around
Speaker 4: here like you're a man when you not. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Being a man that shit come with
Speaker 4: us standard and it comes with a responsibility that you
Speaker 4: have to be able to successfully execute and be able
Speaker 4: to take the good with the bad and be indifferent
Speaker 4: and just you know, living down your own iniquity and
Speaker 4: know that the justice is the reward or penalty for
Speaker 4: one's actions of deeds.
Speaker 5: A lot of times niggas.
Speaker 4: Don't even understand. They it's going to blame everybody else
Speaker 4: for their shortcomings.
Speaker 5: Men don't do that.
Speaker 4: Male adults do that until you understand the difference, and
Speaker 4: you could do that. Don't talk that man shit. To
Speaker 4: me because I got kids that I got a raise
Speaker 4: to be men straight up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I've watched my brothers defending the integrity as men, and
Speaker 4: they will definitely let you know that you can get
Speaker 4: your face broke. We ain't here to start the trouble.
Speaker 3: We don't want to, but we will handle will handle it.
Speaker 5: And it's important that we understand the difference that gangster
Speaker 5: ship is not.
Speaker 3: It laid out, be a man, talk about it.
Speaker 4: You don't need to be a gangster. You don't need
Speaker 4: to be trying to fight. You don't need to even
Speaker 4: get in trouble. Liabilities ain't getting to the bag. You
Speaker 4: got the bag running from you when you are liability.
Speaker 1: Let's let's make it to where being smart is cool again.
Speaker 5: Let's make it the way being smarter.
Speaker 2: Ye, don't let you today's decisions affect your futureself.
Speaker 1: You can catch this on all the smoke production you two. Man,
Speaker 1: this is another legend theory. Bust the rhymes in the building.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week.