Speaker 1: It's time to place your bets. Let's talk to the pros.
Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to betting Pros. It's me Joey p joe Pisapia,
Speaker 1: and we've got a great show for you today. It
Speaker 1: is me, it is Dan Harris, and it's you, and
Speaker 1: we're talking major League Baseball. Dan Harris and I are
Speaker 1: going to take you through the winners for the divisions,
Speaker 1: the odds that we like. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: World Series and playoffs as well, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about some of the big awards. We're talking MVP, Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year, Cy Young, all the biggies. So, Dan Harris,
Speaker 1: it's a little betting pro's action for you today. Are
Speaker 1: you excited to talk a little baseball here and change
Speaker 1: things up? Because I know it's March nevery long. Everyone
Speaker 1: wants to talk about is basketball, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: want to talk some baseball today.
Speaker 2: I have been enjoying March madness. I will admit even
Speaker 2: more than I usually do. But now now I am ready.
Speaker 2: We are recording this on Tuesday. The season starts on Thursday.
Speaker 2: I am ready to go. I have very strong feelings
Speaker 2: on a lot of this stuff. So let's do it.
Speaker 1: I like when Dan has strong feelings. That's what I like.
Speaker 1: I don't like weak feelings. You take those weak feelings
Speaker 1: to get out of my show. Get out, Get out
Speaker 1: with the weak feelings. Only the strong survive here. And
Speaker 1: of course, if you want to get some of these
Speaker 1: odds here, the great thing about Betting Pros is it
Speaker 1: takes all the different ads from all these different places.
Speaker 1: You get the Betting Pros consensus lines too, and then
Speaker 1: you can look for lines that you want to exploit. Basically,
Speaker 1: whether it be on FanDuel or DK or Fox Better
Speaker 1: or MGM, all these kind of different sites, they've got
Speaker 1: them all here in one condensed spot on Betting Pros.
Speaker 1: And that's why you hang out with us here on
Speaker 1: the show. So let's start with the American League East.
Speaker 1: The Yankees are a consensus minus two hundred. That's no fun.
Speaker 1: Then the Rays plus three fifty, the Blue Jays are
Speaker 1: the same plus three fifty, Red Sox at twenty to one,
Speaker 1: and the Orioles forget it, five hundred million to.
Speaker 2: They don't have a number high enough for the orders.
Speaker 1: Actually it's actually broken. The site's it's plus fifty two
Speaker 1: hundred just in case you wanted to see it. But
Speaker 1: you know, let's talk about the Yankees, Dan, because you
Speaker 1: always pay attacks on the Yankees because they're the Yankees,
Speaker 1: and you know, to wager two hundred just to wait
Speaker 1: one hundred. To me, I'm never a big fan of that.
Speaker 1: And plus the Yankees have some question marks in that rotation.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you got Tion's innings, question, you
Speaker 1: got Klueber's health, you got whether or not herman, can
Speaker 1: you know, do it for a whole season? And I
Speaker 1: don't know, Man, this just does not feel like a
Speaker 1: smart wager to me. Now that being said, that kind
Speaker 1: of opens the door for maybe the Rays or maybe
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays. So do you have any feelings about
Speaker 1: either of these two? We're both basically at three and
Speaker 1: a half to one, all right, So I know.
Speaker 2: I said I had strong feelings about this is not
Speaker 2: a division of strong feelings. To be as fair as possible,
Speaker 2: I will have it later. I agree with you. The
Speaker 2: Yankees at minus two hundred definitely not worth it. Do
Speaker 2: I think they're the favorite to win the division? I do,
Speaker 2: but it's not something that I feel comfortable enough with
Speaker 2: those odds. I don't mind either the Rays or the
Speaker 2: Blue Jays at plus three fifty. Now, the Blue Jays
Speaker 2: are already dealing with a bunch of injuries. They're gonna
Speaker 2: lose Springer a little bit at the start of the season.
Speaker 2: They have already lost Kirby Yates. Robbie Ray is going
Speaker 2: to miss his first couple of starts after he fell
Speaker 2: and heard his elbow on the stairs. So I think
Speaker 2: if I were going to go somewhere, and maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just overrating the fact that the Rays always managed to
Speaker 2: figure out how to maximize their potential. But I do
Speaker 2: like the Rays, and again you mentioned it, Joe, the
Speaker 2: consensus line is three to fifty. You look at the
Speaker 2: different books which we have on bettingpros dot Com at BETMGM,
Speaker 2: theyre plus four fifty and at points bet their plus
Speaker 2: six hundred if you can get that at points bet
Speaker 2: at plus six hundred, I really like that at plus
Speaker 2: three fifty, I still think it's worth a sprinkle on
Speaker 2: them to win the division. We'll talk about it. I
Speaker 2: like the Rays in some different features a little bit later,
Speaker 2: but if I'm looking at this division, not one of
Speaker 2: the more enticing divisions, I think I probably would favor
Speaker 2: the Rays at plus three fifty, and again, if you
Speaker 2: can get it at one of these higher numbers, I would.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Blue Jays here. I think
Speaker 1: they've got enough goods down there in the farm system
Speaker 1: to keep making some more moves, and I think they're
Speaker 1: going to acquire some more pitching at some point in
Speaker 1: this season. So to me, I think there's a young
Speaker 1: team that doesn't know any better. Doesn't They're not supposed
Speaker 1: to compete with the Yankees, and I think that makes
Speaker 1: them very dangerous. I'm off the Rays this year. You
Speaker 1: lose more than you lose Snell. That's a lot to lose.
Speaker 1: This is in my opinion, So I just I can't
Speaker 1: get there. They were built for sixty game season. Last year.
Speaker 1: The Rays were made for that one sixty two is
Speaker 1: a different animal. I'm gonna go with the Blue Jays
Speaker 1: here as the best wager, and that's where I would lean.
Speaker 1: Now on the central side, the White Sox consensus minus
Speaker 1: one twenty. Then you have the Twins at plus one
Speaker 1: twenty five, Cleveland at seven to one at plus seven hundred,
Speaker 1: the Royals at plus four thousand, and the Tigers at
Speaker 1: plus six. Now, for me, Cleveland is they're really intriguing
Speaker 1: one because yes, they did lose Lindor, but you're getting
Speaker 1: basically seven to one in some places, even seven point
Speaker 1: fifty or eight on points bet. But they've got Shane Bieber,
Speaker 1: who is, in my opinion, the best pitcher in that division,
Speaker 1: one of the best pictures in baseball. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, you got a great manager who's been there
Speaker 1: and done that in Terry Francona. They did bring in
Speaker 1: some more offense there to replace what they lost with Lindor.
Speaker 1: Is there replacing Lindor. No, but Jimenez be a nice player,
Speaker 1: I think, And on top of that, Eddie Rosario was
Speaker 1: a good bat. So to me, I think Cleveland's got
Speaker 1: enough pitching to really make this interesting. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I think the White Sox are markedly
Speaker 1: better the Twins. I am completely lukewarm on. To me,
Speaker 1: there's too many problems there. But the interesting wager here
Speaker 1: is maybe you bet the White Sox and then take
Speaker 1: a little bit and, as you like to say, sprinkle
Speaker 1: and sprinkle a little bit on Cleveland at those higher odds,
Speaker 1: because I think there's an outside chance that they could
Speaker 1: surprise people.
Speaker 2: Cleveland is my favorite bet actually at plus seven hundred
Speaker 2: to win the division, don't We talked about the White
Speaker 2: Sox before Joe. We did an episode a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago about sort of the win totals, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was ninety one and a half I think at
Speaker 2: the time. Obviously, the White Sox have since lost Eloy
Speaker 2: Jim Andez, which is a big loss. It's not a
Speaker 2: critical loss to them necessarily, but it's a big loss.
Speaker 2: And again that's going to open up more playing time
Speaker 2: for Andravaon who you know, I like very much. I
Speaker 2: just don't think that either the White Sox or the
Speaker 2: Twins is significantly better than the other one. So I
Speaker 2: don't have a great feel for one of those teams. Well,
Speaker 2: what I do know is that Cleveland is always able
Speaker 2: to outperform what it should be able to do. And
Speaker 2: maybe say that is Francona, or maybe it's just you know,
Speaker 2: the front office knowing what to do.
Speaker 1: Pitching two. I mean, they've always got good starting pitching.
Speaker 1: Every year.
Speaker 2: They are able to take these command guys and just say,
Speaker 2: what if you have the command, we can mold you
Speaker 2: into a successful major league pitcher. They do it every
Speaker 2: year they did it with Plisak, who again you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge polea sack guy, but no, but
Speaker 2: we like Savallee pretty much, you know, in that rotation.
Speaker 2: Of course, Bieber is, if not the best pitcher in
Speaker 2: the American League, then the second best behind Garrett Cole.
Speaker 2: But again, their bullpen's pretty good. Karen Jak has some
Speaker 2: control issues, but he can strike out everybody. Nick Whickgren
Speaker 2: is sort of a quiet cog there. And the addition
Speaker 2: of Eddie Rosario was really key because again he's just
Speaker 2: kind of this forgotten guy. When he plays all around
Speaker 2: solid baseball, he really lengthens that lineup. He gives them
Speaker 2: another hitter behind Jose Ramirez, and again you are going
Speaker 2: to have Andres Himinez, who I think is going to
Speaker 2: add that nice extra speed dimension. Plus these are Hernandez,
Speaker 2: decent guy at the top of the order. They're a
Speaker 2: team that I don't expect to win the division, but
Speaker 2: at plus seven hundred, those are the odds I like best.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good middle up up the middle defense too,
Speaker 1: with Hernandez and Jimenez as well. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with Rosario. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: not much, but yeah, at this point, I think Jimenez
Speaker 1: is clearly the guy that they were targeting in that
Speaker 1: deal when they moved Lindor went onto the West. Here,
Speaker 1: the Astros are the favorite at plus one twenty five,
Speaker 1: the A's plus one forty five. Again this is the
Speaker 1: consensus at betting pros, and then the Angels at plus
Speaker 1: three seventy five, with the Mariners bringing up the rear
Speaker 1: plus twenty six, and the Rangers that you're nice old
Speaker 1: sixty to one. So we'll forget about the bottom feeders here.
Speaker 1: It's really whether or not you want to make a
Speaker 1: case for the Angels because the A's are tricky. The
Speaker 1: is are always a tricky wager because you're not getting
Speaker 1: huge odds on them because they're always kind of hovering
Speaker 1: around that. The Astros are the favorites for a reason
Speaker 1: I think they should be. They still have mcolors and
Speaker 1: Granky at the top of that rotation. They still got
Speaker 1: a ton of talent. That it's whether or not you
Speaker 1: want to make a case for the you know somewhere
Speaker 1: around three and a half or even to four to
Speaker 1: one Angels odds, So for them to win this division
Speaker 1: a lot of things would have to break right. I'm
Speaker 1: still the stay away. If anything, I would still go
Speaker 1: with the Astros because I just think, you know, the
Speaker 1: Astros are that team that just doesn't want to go away,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people want them to.
Speaker 1: But I still think they're very good and I think
Speaker 1: Dusty Baker's gonna have them right back in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I do think they're gonna win this division. So
Speaker 1: I'm going chalk here with the Astros. What do you
Speaker 1: think about the Angels and the Astros or even the
Speaker 1: A's in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I'm on the Astros and
Speaker 2: know they're the favorite at plus one twenty five as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, and again, you can't get much better than that.
Speaker 2: Maybe plus one thirty out there at bet MGM, but
Speaker 2: that's pretty much where you're at. But I still think
Speaker 2: there's value there the A's. Look, they always outperform what
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do, but they're just not going to
Speaker 2: be as good as they have been in previous years.
Speaker 2: They would need a lot of things to go right.
Speaker 2: I think losing Hendrix at the back end of that bullpen.
Speaker 2: I know Trevor Rosenthal is there but they're not the
Speaker 2: same caliber pitcher, and I just think there's gonna be
Speaker 2: some fall off for them. The Angels. Again, we talked
Speaker 2: about this at the wind totals like the the You know,
Speaker 2: the Angels basically haven't gone above five hundred in like
Speaker 2: six seasons at this point, and yes, could show hal
Speaker 2: Tani completely transform them, it's possible. We'd love to see it.
Speaker 2: He obviously had the blister yesterday, but I don't think so. Man,
Speaker 2: It's not even worth a sprinkle to me. At close
Speaker 2: to four to one. To me, this is the Astros division.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be fine. And again we'll talk about this
Speaker 2: little later because I like some other futures with the Astros,
Speaker 2: but they have the ability to trade and do whatever
Speaker 2: they want because they've got a good form system and
Speaker 2: they will go forward here. So I do like the Astros,
Speaker 2: even as the favorite at plus one twenty five.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's do our winner in the American
Speaker 1: League then, because the Yankees are the favorites at plus
Speaker 1: two thirty, the White Sox at three eighty, the Twins
Speaker 1: at plus seven fifty, and then after that you got
Speaker 1: the Rays at eight fifty, the Blue Jays of plus
Speaker 1: eight seventy five plus nine hundred for the A's and
Speaker 1: then ten to one for the Astros, which is funny
Speaker 1: because I think people kind of discounting the Astros a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, the Astros at ten to one is
Speaker 1: fascinating because they could absolutely get back in this and
Speaker 1: be super annoying and piss off Major League Baseball and say, hey,
Speaker 1: look at us, everybody. If they were in the playoffs
Speaker 1: last year and they caused problems. So I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: that out there. But in terms of short series, I
Speaker 1: really like the White Sox plus three eighty. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. That's my lean, and I feel strongly
Speaker 1: about it because they added Lancelynn along with Gilito and Kaiko.
Speaker 1: Those are three pitchers I believe in. You could add
Speaker 1: in a guy like Michael Kopek. If you do indeed
Speaker 1: get Alloy back healthy, what a boost that is in
Speaker 1: September potentially, And again that's a big if. But still,
Speaker 1: this is a great team, and it tells you how
Speaker 1: good they are because they lost Aloy and they're still
Speaker 1: the favorite in this division by a fair amount. So look,
Speaker 1: I think the White Sox are the fascinating bet because
Speaker 1: I think in a short series, this team is in again,
Speaker 1: it's young, it's hungry. They've got the closer now to
Speaker 1: that shutdown guy in Hendrix. So I like the White
Speaker 1: Sox here the Yankees of the Chalk. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Chalk is bad here. But to me, I think
Speaker 1: the nice in between is that plus three eighty about
Speaker 1: consensus you're getting with the White Sox. Who do you
Speaker 1: like to represent the American League in the World Series.
Speaker 2: Favor bet and it's clear favorite bet for me, and
Speaker 2: this one is the Astros at plus one thousand. Again,
Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of things. Number One,
Speaker 2: I think you want to avoid a team that might
Speaker 2: be a wild card, right because you're sure you can
Speaker 2: get bounced, which is one of the reasons, by the way,
Speaker 2: why I worry a little bit about the White Sox
Speaker 2: because I don't know that they're going to win that division.
Speaker 2: I feel pretty common and maybe I shouldn't, but I
Speaker 2: feel pretty confident that the Astros are going to win
Speaker 2: their division. And if they do, they've got two things
Speaker 2: really working for them. Number One, I guarantee you if
Speaker 2: they're there, they're going to add a significant piece. And
Speaker 2: again Franber Valdez, who was originally out for the entire season.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be out for the season now anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean he may miss a significant chunk, but coming
Speaker 2: back late in the season, that's going to be a
Speaker 2: significant ad as who also might be is Verlander. It's
Speaker 2: possible that he's going to come back in the playoffs
Speaker 2: at this point, even if he's just a bullpen piece,
Speaker 2: even if he's a closer, perhaps even in there, given
Speaker 2: that he's going to come back, he could be another
Speaker 2: addition that can make them really difficult. We talked about
Speaker 2: Carlos Carey on previous podcasts. We really like him. The
Speaker 2: Astros were abysmal last year. They couldn't hit anything, and
Speaker 2: they still made the playoffs. So I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: make it back. I think they're gonna do some damage
Speaker 2: here in the playoffs. So they are my pick at
Speaker 2: plus one thousand to win the American League.
Speaker 1: So if I gave you odds of plus or minus
Speaker 1: one inning for Justin verlind Or in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: you're going the over. Hunh.
Speaker 2: I think I Well, all right, if the postseason counts,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the over. Yeah, I'm gonna say that
Speaker 2: he pitches in this postseason.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. That would be a great story.
Speaker 1: I love this. I love the scripture writing for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Okay, let's talk a little National League East here.
Speaker 1: The Braves at plus one twenty consensus number one, while
Speaker 1: by the Mets at plus one forty, the Nats at
Speaker 1: plus six hundred, the Phillies eight to seventy five, and
Speaker 1: the Marlins plus twenty five hundred. So we'll leave the
Speaker 1: Marlins and the Phillies alone here. I don't think either
Speaker 1: of us really want to go there. Yes, baseball, anything
Speaker 1: can happen, but let's not get crazy here with some
Speaker 1: of these. The Braves are the easy chalk, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a bad idea. The Braves of the pitching.
Speaker 1: The Brave have consistency, and look, they're built for the
Speaker 1: regular season. I'm always worried about them in the postseason though.
Speaker 1: That's always where and it's always been the case. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been bullpen issues. It's also they strike out a ton,
Speaker 1: it's creating runs. Sometimes it's a problem for the Braves.
Speaker 1: Now the Mets are doing a better job. I think
Speaker 1: this year constructing a lineup to create runs this year
Speaker 1: for little Door is very good. But to me, this
Speaker 1: is kind of like the I guess, the same version
Speaker 1: of the Cleveland situation in the American League. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: everything breaks right for the Gnats, they have the best
Speaker 1: rotation in this division, and that is what's built for
Speaker 1: one sixty two. Not to mention Josh Bell and Schwarber
Speaker 1: coming over to join Sodo and Turner and Victor Roblez
Speaker 1: hopefully bouncing back and still your very young player. So
Speaker 1: the Nats at plus six hundred some places can get
Speaker 1: them for six fifty. Also, Dan, that's very tempting for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I got it. It's almost annoying that we
Speaker 2: see things. So I'd eye on this one just because
Speaker 2: it'd be great to have more back and forth. But
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Do I expect the Nationals to
Speaker 2: win this division? No, but it's very much like Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and actually it's better in Cleveland, which is why their
Speaker 2: odds are a little shorter at plus six hundred. And
Speaker 2: again you mentioned plus six fifty at bet MGM, plus
Speaker 2: six fifty at points bets. You can get even better
Speaker 2: if you go there. But I agree with you there
Speaker 2: is there is a very very clear path for them
Speaker 2: to win this division. It takes their starters getting back
Speaker 2: to what they do best. Shurezer looks good and healthy
Speaker 2: right now. Hopefully Strasburg is fine. Corbin hasn't had the
Speaker 2: greatest spring, but again, if he gets back, it's going
Speaker 2: to be good. Their bullpen, obviously, with the addition of
Speaker 2: Brad Hannon you mentioned Josh Bell having a monstrous, monstrous spring,
Speaker 2: really lengthn's that lineup. Adding Schwarber to maybe the best
Speaker 2: player in baseball in Lon Soto, they can really make
Speaker 2: some noise. So it's something where if I had to
Speaker 2: do between the Braves and the Mets, I don't really know.
Speaker 2: It might be the Mets a little bit, just because
Speaker 2: I feel like, again you're seeing it right now, Carlos
Speaker 2: Carrasco goes out. In past years, it would be, oh
Speaker 2: my god, They've got to go into the minor leagues
Speaker 2: and get this reliever and have them spot start for
Speaker 2: you know, two months. But they have lu Casey, they
Speaker 2: have depth right now.
Speaker 1: They walk Peterson, they've got it, They've got they've got options,
Speaker 1: which is smart, and you know what, I think they've
Speaker 1: done a very good job of you know, continuously building
Speaker 1: this offseason for the depth. And I'll say this too,
Speaker 1: I think the depth of the bench for the Mets
Speaker 1: is very good.
Speaker 2: Yes, yea.
Speaker 1: The versatility, the athleticism that they have on that bench,
Speaker 1: the Mets are a decent you know. It's funny the East.
Speaker 1: You can really make a case for all three teams
Speaker 1: at the top. Obviously, the Nats are the one where
Speaker 1: it's kind of boom or bust there, but the six
Speaker 1: to one odds there. But look there, this is one
Speaker 1: where you could hedge if you wanted to a little bit, yea,
Speaker 1: because I think there's some opportunity there depending on how
Speaker 1: you want to strategically wager and how much you want
Speaker 1: to put on each one of these teams. Let's move
Speaker 1: over to the central where the Cardinals, of course being
Speaker 1: a national team, are r at the top there plus
Speaker 1: one oh five, the big addition of Aeronauto that's great
Speaker 1: and all, but we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: Brewers at plus three hundreds, the consensus for them, Reds
Speaker 1: at plus three thirty, which is kind of surprising to me.
Speaker 1: I don't get that. Nuts nuts, the Cubs four twenty five,
Speaker 1: and the Pirates sixty five hundred. So Pittsburgh, gum, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a rough home. The Cubs are out
Speaker 1: of it too, I'm sorry. They're a team that's going
Speaker 1: to Jettis and everybody as soon as they can, which
Speaker 1: leaves us the Brewers and the Cardinals. And I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna learn that? The Brewers are always
Speaker 1: going to be good. I mean they as long as
Speaker 1: Christian Yellwich is healthy, this team's gonna compete. And now
Speaker 1: Freddy Parolta looks like he might be putting it together.
Speaker 1: And if he does, you got him. Cormyn Burns and
Speaker 1: Woodrof at the top of that rotation, with arguably the
Speaker 1: best bullpen in the league. Right with Devid Williams and
Speaker 1: Josh Hater. This is a good team. Cold Wong and
Speaker 1: Jackie Bradley shure up the defense. It's all about saying
Speaker 1: healthy now. But still, man, I like this Brewers three
Speaker 1: to one in some spots can get like on Fox
Speaker 1: bet plus three seventy five at fox.
Speaker 2: Bet, Joe, the Brewers have longer odds to win the
Speaker 2: division than the Reds. In what universe are we in
Speaker 2: where the Reds should have better odds? You know where
Speaker 2: are we? Where are we?
Speaker 1: Where are we? Where? The Cardinals are such a prohibitive favorite. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's just easy. What's the rest of this rotation?
Speaker 1: Because it's not great?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I was shocked when I saw it,
Speaker 2: and I get that. The Cardinals, you know, they added
Speaker 2: aeronauto and they have a strong lineup and their rotation
Speaker 2: is okay, I guess, But the.
Speaker 1: Brewers, Pitcher, do you feel good about besides Flowerty on
Speaker 1: the Cardinals?
Speaker 2: Nobody right now, nobody else.
Speaker 1: I agree. That's my problem. You're giving me one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two of his staff and you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that what Reyes finally becomes something or Carlos Martinez
Speaker 1: figures things out again, it gets on track. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not buying that. That just not doing it anymore.
Speaker 2: I I didn't. I mean, I have zero interest in
Speaker 2: the Cardinals basically even money right plus one oh five.
Speaker 2: The Brewer is a plus three hundred all day. All
Speaker 2: that we talked about. The wing total that was my
Speaker 2: favorite bet was over eighty two and a half. I
Speaker 2: think it's gone up now to eighty three and a half.
Speaker 2: I still like it there, but I liked it at
Speaker 2: over eighty two and a half. This is a very
Speaker 2: very underrated team. You mentioned a couple things. First of all,
Speaker 2: Yellow's just going to bounce back. I guarantee it. When
Speaker 2: Lorenzo Caine, a guy we both liked, again missed all
Speaker 2: of last year because he opted out. He is back now,
Speaker 2: and again he was not healthy at the Quad, but
Speaker 2: he is back playing now. The addition of Wog is huge,
Speaker 2: if for no other reason than his defense as a
Speaker 2: huge dynamic there. The bullpen is fantastic. Corbyn Burns is
Speaker 2: absolutely legitimate. Brandon Woodrift does not get the respect he
Speaker 2: deserves one percent. And I have always been the fade.
Speaker 2: Freddy peralta guy like I've never liked him, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. I like what I've seen a lot in
Speaker 2: this spring, so I'm kind of excited to see what
Speaker 2: he can do. So Brewers, this is not close to me.
Speaker 2: Brewers at plus three hundred is the bet that I
Speaker 2: love in this division.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent here. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go to the West, which is basically a two
Speaker 1: team race. I mean, the Giants are fifty to one,
Speaker 1: the d Backs are fifty to one, the Rockies are
Speaker 1: fifty one. I think we can all kind of dismiss them.
Speaker 1: It's whether or not you want to pay the premium
Speaker 1: on the Dodgers, which is minus two fifty. So for
Speaker 1: those of you are new, it's putting two fifty down
Speaker 1: to win Andre That doesn't seem like a good day
Speaker 1: at the office, no matter how good the Dodgers are.
Speaker 1: Or to have a little fun with the Padres at
Speaker 1: the plus two hundred, now here's the thing. It would
Speaker 1: be fun to play around with the Padres. But I
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, the Dodgers still
Speaker 1: win this division. So for me, I'm gonna stay away
Speaker 1: from the West because it's just not Now. If the
Speaker 1: Padres were three or four to one, yeah, okay, now
Speaker 1: I'm kind of listening. But two to one, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like it's okay. But so many things would have
Speaker 1: to go wrong for the Dodgers. You'd have to have
Speaker 1: Kershaw with the back issue. You'd have to have Walker
Speaker 1: Bueller continue to be bad like he's been in spring.
Speaker 1: You'd have to have Trevor Bauer, you know, be bad
Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer, and maybe a Cody Bellinger injury. Like you
Speaker 1: have to have all these things happen, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't see a world where the Dodgers aren't
Speaker 1: winning this division. So I'm just gonna pass on this one.
Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that Dustin May was named
Speaker 2: the fifth starter, and I was like, cool, that change
Speaker 2: is absolutely nothing for me because I know that they're
Speaker 2: going to have all tho those guys start with David
Speaker 2: Price in Gonsolan. It means nothing. This is a team
Speaker 2: there was ever a team that's built for every part
Speaker 2: of the season. There. They have so much depth, so
Speaker 2: much would have to go wrong for them to not
Speaker 2: win the division. But at minus two fifty, come, what's
Speaker 2: the point? You know, it's just not something I want
Speaker 2: to do because the Padres are a very good team.
Speaker 2: But again, yeah, it's just to stay away. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not sprinkling at all on you know, the Giants
Speaker 2: or the d Becks or the Rockies or plus five thousand.
Speaker 2: It's just not worth it. There's no chance. So for me, yeah,
Speaker 2: just not a bet. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 2: get in on the Dodgers, as we'll talk about in
Speaker 2: a little bit, for like the World Series or the league, fine,
Speaker 2: but to win the division forget about it, just stay.
Speaker 1: Away, all right. So that'll bring us to the National
Speaker 1: League Winner, where the Dodgers are obviously the favorites to
Speaker 1: defend their crown at plus one seventy five the Padres.
Speaker 1: Now here's where I like the Padres. Plus three ninety.
Speaker 1: This is where I'm listening because look at this pitching
Speaker 1: staff in a short series. Look, they could even bring
Speaker 1: up the Mackenzie Gore at some point, right. They've got
Speaker 1: all this depth. They got guys like C. J. Abrams
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues too, Like if they need something,
Speaker 1: they can go down and pluck it and they can
Speaker 1: fill the holes. I do think at some point in
Speaker 1: time they will get better in the bullpen, I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be pegana moll Hanson when
Speaker 1: all said and done. I don't know who it's going
Speaker 1: to be, but it's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna hate the bullpen, by the way. I mean,
Speaker 2: if Palmerance is healthy and he's pitching right now, I
Speaker 2: don't hate it.
Speaker 1: I don't They're gonna go in on somebody. I don't
Speaker 1: know who it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: You can tell they're not holding back this season, and
Speaker 2: they've got.
Speaker 1: The chips to move to do it, to make it
Speaker 1: all work. And that's the other thing too. That's why
Speaker 1: I like Toronto, you know, because I feel like they
Speaker 1: can keep the aggressive. So the Dodgers plus one seventy five,
Speaker 1: the Padres three to ninety, the Braves are five to one,
Speaker 1: the Mets are at plus five twenty five, the Cardinals
Speaker 1: ten to fifty, the Reds blah blah blah. So let's
Speaker 1: be realistic here. I don't like any of the long shots.
Speaker 1: If you want to play around with the Nationals and
Speaker 1: that narrative at twenty to one, okay, because once again
Speaker 1: you get the Nats in a short series with a
Speaker 1: healthy Strasbourg, Corbin and Max Scherzer. Yikes, Like that is
Speaker 1: a lot to deal with. So I get that long
Speaker 1: shot in the National League. That's the only long shot
Speaker 1: of all these I like. But to me, that Padres
Speaker 1: at plus three ninety, that pitching those four guys we've
Speaker 1: talked about before with Musgrove, with Snell, Darvish and Chris Paddock.
Speaker 1: I like this group. I think they're they're hungry, they're
Speaker 1: ready to go, and I think they will add more pieces,
Speaker 1: which is kind of scary when you think about it.
Speaker 1: And they're good defensive team too. Hosmer at first is
Speaker 1: really good defensive player to tease the Machad. All these guys,
Speaker 1: very good defensive team. So I like the Padres. Where
Speaker 1: are you leaning for the National League Crown?
Speaker 2: My worry with the Padres is again I don't think
Speaker 2: they're gonna win the division, which means they've got to
Speaker 2: get through a wildcard, which means it's just automatically an
Speaker 2: extra variable that we may not see. Now again, do
Speaker 2: they have the staff? Oh? Sure, you can start darbashing
Speaker 2: that game and you're going to be the favorite no
Speaker 2: matter who you're facing. So I don't mind them at
Speaker 2: three ninety if we are talking a long shop. By
Speaker 2: the way, you did mention Nationals, which again at plus
Speaker 2: two thousand. But I also kind of like the Brewers
Speaker 2: at plus twenty five hundred because I do think they
Speaker 2: will win their division, and if they win their division,
Speaker 2: if they add a real a starter, if they're able
Speaker 2: to sort of make a move at the deadline, they
Speaker 2: could become a true powerhouse. But outside of that, I
Speaker 2: actually kind of like the Mets at plus five twenty five.
Speaker 2: And the reason is I think it's probably at this
Speaker 2: point they're probably like, I don't know. They obviously have
Speaker 2: a decent chance to win their division for everything goes well.
Speaker 2: Now you want to talk about the playoffs, You've got
Speaker 2: the best pitcher in baseball who you're going to be
Speaker 2: favored when you get there. The Mets have not only
Speaker 2: the money, but they have enough in the farm system
Speaker 2: to be able to take a move at the deadline.
Speaker 2: And again the money thing, Joe, this is what I
Speaker 2: screamed about with the Wilponds. Joe and I both Mets founds.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you have not heard that before, miserable,
Speaker 2: miserable human beings and baseball fans. But you now have
Speaker 2: Steve Cohen, who oh, are you trying to give somebody away?
Speaker 2: So we cannot have to really give up grade a prospects,
Speaker 2: But you need somebody to take on salary. Great, we
Speaker 2: can do that because money is irrelevant. That's great. You
Speaker 2: can do that at the deadline hopefully. And also, who
Speaker 2: hopefully will come back in the middle of the year
Speaker 2: is Noah Cindergarten. You add to him Carrasco and suddenly,
Speaker 2: if those guys are all healthy, you've got to get
Speaker 2: through to gram and Carrasco and Cinderguard and hopefully Stroman,
Speaker 2: who I think is going to take a step up.
Speaker 2: That's a really really good rotation and a team that
Speaker 2: could make some noise. So for me, I think there's
Speaker 2: a good chance the Mets are going to get into
Speaker 2: the rotation into the playoffs, and if they do, I
Speaker 2: think they have a team that's kind of built for it.
Speaker 2: So I kind of like them, Like I like them
Speaker 2: much better than the Braves at plus five hundred, because
Speaker 2: you talked about it. You worry about the Braves a
Speaker 2: little bit once you get to the playoffs. Once you
Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. For the Mets, I feel good
Speaker 2: about it, So I do like them a little bit.
Speaker 2: At plus five twenty five.
Speaker 1: I certainly hope so. I haven't seen them win a
Speaker 1: World Series since I was eight years old, so you
Speaker 1: could do the math on the folks, all right. So
Speaker 1: to win it all the World Series, the Dodgers plus
Speaker 1: three fifty, the Yankees at five p fifty, the Padres
Speaker 1: at eight hundred, the White Sox at eight to fifty.
Speaker 1: Then the Braves are ten to one, Mets are ten
Speaker 1: to one, Twins are twenty to one. Astros twenty two,
Speaker 1: Blue Jays, twenty two Cards, twenty two, and then they
Speaker 1: get to the twenty five then over starting with the
Speaker 1: Rays and A's and Nationals at plus thirty three hundred.
Speaker 1: So for me, obviously, I've kind of mapped out my
Speaker 1: White Sox Padres World Series, which I would very much
Speaker 1: like to see. I think that would be good fun.
Speaker 1: They're both kind of the same here plus eight hundred
Speaker 1: plus eight to fifty at the end of the day. Look,
Speaker 1: I think the White Sox are just that lineup that
Speaker 1: doesn't quit, and I think that the pitching staff is
Speaker 1: very good. The Padres are there too. I think you
Speaker 1: could kind of hedge with either one of these and
Speaker 1: bet them at the top of the season, both of them.
Speaker 1: I think one of them might actually come in there potentially.
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling the Yankees and Dodgers that I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm not buying the big time teams here in the
Speaker 1: chalk on this one this year. Give me the Podgers
Speaker 1: of the White Sox. I think those are my two
Speaker 1: favorite picks on the board. Do you have Are you
Speaker 1: sticking with your mets here, because certainly ten to one,
Speaker 1: that's you know, put one hundred bucks that's a pretty
Speaker 1: good term.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Mets at plus a thousand
Speaker 2: are a pretty decent bet. I do prefer Again, I've
Speaker 2: talked about all the teams obviously, so it's going to
Speaker 2: be where I was leaning to with the you know,
Speaker 2: winners of the National League in the American League, and
Speaker 2: I do like the Astros a plus twenty two hundred
Speaker 2: because I do think that this is a team that
Speaker 2: could really really They're going to add somebody if they're
Speaker 2: in there, they're going to add somebody. Their lineup is
Speaker 2: deep and can do some real damage. Again, they were
Speaker 2: terrible last year and they came real close to moving on.
Speaker 2: So for me, my favorite bet of it is the
Speaker 2: Astros at plus twenty two hundred for you know the reasons.
Speaker 2: At number one, I feel pretty confident that they're going
Speaker 2: to win the Division. Two, I feel pretty confident that
Speaker 2: they're going to add a significant piece at some point
Speaker 2: during the season and again get over Lander back, which
Speaker 2: is I don't know if that's a ball prediction. I
Speaker 2: know I love it.
Speaker 1: It's bold.
Speaker 2: I like it because Verlander is like not human and
Speaker 2: I think if you're like hi, it's been more than
Speaker 2: a year since.
Speaker 1: I just took him for a buck in my home
Speaker 1: fantasy league at the end of the auction where nobody
Speaker 1: had any more money and I was the last person
Speaker 1: with money, and I was like, I'm gonna go Justin
Speaker 1: Verlander for a buck if which is again next year,
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a keep.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you give it you, you give this
Speaker 2: guy where you're basically like, hey, what every other day,
Speaker 2: we're gonna give him an inning in that bullpen and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be throwing ninety miles. Now, I mean that
Speaker 2: that's a that's kind of a game changer when you
Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. So for me, I will My
Speaker 2: favorite World Series bet based on the odds is the
Speaker 2: astros a plus twenty two hundred.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the odds for MVP will
Speaker 1: start in the American League trout or the field. Basically,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: That the odds are like, what is trout to twenty
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: That's twenty five? After that, it's Aaron Judge is the
Speaker 1: consensus at plus twelve. Again, the Yankee tacks Jose Ramirez
Speaker 1: at plus twelve, which, again, if you think the Indians
Speaker 1: really have a chance, yeah, he was in this conversation
Speaker 1: last year. You got Bregman at twelve, you got Rendona fifteen,
Speaker 1: Chapman a fifth fifteen, Otani a plus twenty, which is
Speaker 1: that's the one that again, if he can pitch one
Speaker 1: hundred innings and drive in one hundred runs, how is
Speaker 1: he not the MVP of the league. That is my
Speaker 1: case for the show. Aotani dart throw, now that's risky,
Speaker 1: but you're getting twenty to one on it, and Jose
Speaker 1: bre You the defending champ, there is plus twenty five,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny to me that he doesn't
Speaker 1: get more respect he should personally. But a bray you
Speaker 1: and Otani are fascinating long shots. You know you're getting
Speaker 1: basically the simple two to one with Mike Trouts if
Speaker 1: you want to bet big on Mike Trout in the
Speaker 1: plus two twenty five. Okay, but how do you see
Speaker 1: the al MVP race?
Speaker 2: I see it as something where I hate it, Like
Speaker 2: I really just don't like it because I do think
Speaker 2: that it and again.
Speaker 1: It's sink or swim. There's no you know, there's no
Speaker 1: in between where you can like find that in between.
Speaker 1: Nice ways. Yeah, that's a good smart investment. It's like
Speaker 1: it's Mike Trout of the field. It's back to the
Speaker 1: old Tiger Wood days.
Speaker 2: And I think what you really need to do at
Speaker 2: this point if you're not gonna go with Mike Trout
Speaker 2: is this is the problem with this is it's a
Speaker 2: it's a it's an award that's voted on, right, so
Speaker 2: you have to think about you know, the what are
Speaker 2: people going to be thinking about.
Speaker 1: It's the award like OWI because to me, that is
Speaker 1: the story of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: If that happens, it's a good point. My only thing is, like, man,
Speaker 2: he has to absolutely explode because on his own team
Speaker 2: is Mike Trout, and so you really have to dominate
Speaker 2: my Trout.
Speaker 1: Don't pitch.
Speaker 2: It's lot of courds. He probably could know if he
Speaker 2: was there. So look at when I was looking at it,
Speaker 2: I think Jose Ramirez again, you'd have to see something
Speaker 2: where a guy is really responsible for his team's surprising success.
Speaker 2: Jose Ramirez is a good one. Matt Chapman again, it's
Speaker 2: only it's a little short. I was surprised if it
Speaker 2: was only plus fifteen hundred. But he's a guy with
Speaker 2: his defense, you know, especially adding on on the war.
Speaker 2: If the A's do surprise, he could be somebody. And
Speaker 2: the only other guy I kind of thought of, is
Speaker 2: this a guy who everybody waits for. You know, the
Speaker 2: breakout's going to happen at some point. If it does
Speaker 2: happen this year and his team overperforms, and that's Laddie,
Speaker 2: it's a plus twenty five hundred. Again, if he does
Speaker 2: suddenly live up to his potential and the Blue Jays
Speaker 2: somehow win that division, and you know odds that you liked,
Speaker 2: it's a little tough because their lineup is really very,
Speaker 2: very good, So he'd have to really really stand out
Speaker 2: among a lot of very quality hitters, with George Springer especially.
Speaker 2: But again, if he does and if he lives up
Speaker 2: his potential, and if they win that division, he could
Speaker 2: win it. So plus twenty five hundred, that's really the
Speaker 2: only one I might take a shot on.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the National League, which is
Speaker 1: very different, way more wide open YEP consensus. Mookie Betts
Speaker 1: is plus seven fifty, Juan Soto my one to one,
Speaker 1: plus seven to fifty. Cody Bellinger at eight, which I
Speaker 1: don't think is a great wager. Talked about his health
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, Ronald Acunia plus eight hundred, Tetis
Speaker 1: Junior plus eight to fifty, Freddy Freeman at twelve, Noan
Speaker 1: Aernato at twelve, Lindora at plus twelve hundred, and yell
Speaker 1: At at plus twelve hundred, not to mention the Rice
Speaker 1: Harper plus fifteen. This thing is wide open, and we
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about Manny Machado and some other guys
Speaker 1: that could even kind of throw into this mix. But
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of you know, you could throw
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo in there too if you wanted to. But
Speaker 1: to me, this is this is simple. This is I
Speaker 1: think Juan Soto is the best player on his team.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best player on the planet. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go plus them fifty. There. The other guy
Speaker 1: that would be my number two ranking here in wagers
Speaker 1: would be Fernando Tatis Junior plus eight to fifty because
Speaker 1: he's kind of becoming that new face of baseball. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a media narrative to the Padres this
Speaker 1: year because they're fun and exciting and they're all in
Speaker 1: and you know, the snazzy new uniforms they debuted last year.
Speaker 1: There's there's juice there. Okay, when it comes to Fernando
Speaker 1: Tatis Junior and when you go to Acunya and Freeman again,
Speaker 1: same team, Bellinger bets it's always tough when they're on
Speaker 1: the same team. To me, it's Tatis and Jansto. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Sodo as my number one. How do
Speaker 1: you see National League working out?
Speaker 2: Soto is also my number one because he I don't
Speaker 2: think the Nationals have to win that division, even for
Speaker 2: him to win it if he has a monstrous yere
Speaker 2: like I mean, his trajectory is otherworldly at this point,
Speaker 2: and they are just better than you think. They win
Speaker 2: eighty eight games, but they lose the division, you know,
Speaker 2: in the last weekend or something like that. That should
Speaker 2: be enough for him to get it. So at plus
Speaker 2: seven to fifty, I do like him. There the other
Speaker 2: guy who I'm looking at it, And again this goes
Speaker 2: into maybe I'm just a Brewers homer this year. Who
Speaker 2: knows would be Yelich just because sure he's won it,
Speaker 2: but you've said Yelich is the guy on that team,
Speaker 2: right if that team does, if there's one guy on
Speaker 2: that team who could go crazy, And again, he has
Speaker 2: performed at an MVP level for two years straight, and
Speaker 2: then you had last year, which was just I'm throwing
Speaker 2: it out, forget it. If he gets back to what
Speaker 2: he can do at plus twelve hundred, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: go with that. I don't mind tattoos either, by the way,
Speaker 2: but Sodo is my number one at plus seven to fifty,
Speaker 2: and then Yelich at plus twelve hundred is my second favorite.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the cy Young. And
Speaker 1: if you pay attention to sy Young, you know these
Speaker 1: usually come in bunches. So although Garrett Cole is one
Speaker 1: of the best pitchers in baseball plus three fifties, that
Speaker 1: consensus number, Shane Bieber is four to one at plus
Speaker 1: four hundred. That's where my money's going. It's going to Biber.
Speaker 1: I think we're in the Shane Bieber cycle right now.
Speaker 1: It just feels like that watching him this spring. The
Speaker 1: guy is just so good. Gilito's at four to fifty
Speaker 1: glass now I just don't think he's gonna throw enough innings.
Speaker 1: So he's nine to fifty. Then Ryu thirteen hundred, and
Speaker 1: Lance Lynn's seventeen hundred, along with Barrios and my Ada,
Speaker 1: so This is kind of a two man race as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. Even Gilito's great and all, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Bieber. That's where I'm gonna lean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the four to one, how about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Realistically, it's very difficult to make a case for
Speaker 2: anybody other than those two guys, because this year, especially,
Speaker 2: you are going to deal with innings concerns with almost
Speaker 2: every pitcher and probably not those two guys. They're gonna
Speaker 2: pitch a lot of innings and that's just gonna make
Speaker 2: a difference. And I will say that I feel like
Speaker 2: the you know who, Brian Kenny used to go on
Speaker 2: the rant about kill the win, right.
Speaker 1: Kill the win.
Speaker 2: But voters have have wised up, you know. They they
Speaker 2: they now look beyond just the classic stuff, and I
Speaker 2: know they're going to realize the impact of innings. So realistically,
Speaker 2: it probably is one of those two guys, and I
Speaker 2: would favor Bieber at plus four hundred. I really like Gilito,
Speaker 2: but his odds are it just had four to fifty
Speaker 2: is just not worth it. Like I you know, if
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Double that, if it was seven fifty or something like that,
Speaker 1: I'd be more exactly.
Speaker 2: But at four fifty, I'm surprised. I mean it's too close.
Speaker 1: I mean tells you how good Giolito is.
Speaker 2: It does I'm surprised, though I didn't think. And again Glass,
Speaker 2: now I also like a little bit. But at plus
Speaker 2: nine fifty, again not there. If I'm going to go
Speaker 2: for a long shot, it's a guy who I really
Speaker 2: like this here, and that's Lance mccullor's at plus four thousand,
Speaker 2: and I think again, what would have to happen is
Speaker 2: mccullor's I think he threw fifty five somewhere around those
Speaker 2: indings last year. He'd have to add at least one hundred,
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and ten. And I'm not saying he
Speaker 2: will or won't. I don't know what necessarily their plan
Speaker 2: is with him. But if he does, and if he
Speaker 2: does take that next step, and again, this is a
Speaker 2: guy I look around. He's plus four thousand, is consensus.
Speaker 2: At fox Bett it's plus six thousand, So there, I
Speaker 2: would definitely just do a little taste at that point.
Speaker 2: But again, realistically it's Cohl or Bieber, and I would
Speaker 2: side with Bieber overcall like.
Speaker 1: You with amazing. I think about Gi Alito. Heavity's stuck
Speaker 1: on that national's rotation, and they didn't deal him for
Speaker 1: Adam Eaton. How different things might be here? And now,
Speaker 1: I mean, really, you know, I talked about it the
Speaker 1: other day on another show here, which is if you
Speaker 1: think it back to that, if you know, Anthea and
Speaker 1: Don probably would have stayed, they would have paid him
Speaker 1: as so as Strasbourg if they had Gilito, and that
Speaker 1: would have been a far better investment. But they dealt
Speaker 1: three pitching prospects for Adam Eaton. I just yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: National League Cy Young plus four to twenty five for
Speaker 1: Jacob Degroma. Are we still in the d gram window? Well?
Speaker 1: Vegas seems to think so. Trevor Bauer plus seven hundred, No, thanks,
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. It's a good odd too, it
Speaker 1: really is. Seven to one is nice. Max Scherzer plus
Speaker 1: nine to fifty is also very intriguing. Walker Buehler at
Speaker 1: ten to one, at plus one thousand, you Darvish is
Speaker 1: at plus twelve hundred. This is the one I like
Speaker 1: the most. I'm sicking with this, you Darvish narrative. I
Speaker 1: just think people don't realize that, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 1: people get tired of voting for the same guy. And
Speaker 1: if you Darvish really hasn't Like Let's say you Darvish
Speaker 1: wins twenty games and his peripherals are similar to de
Speaker 1: Gram and de Grom wins sixteen. They're gonna give it
Speaker 1: to you, Darvish, because winning twenty games in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one is hard. It is a hard thing to do.
Speaker 1: I don't look at Nola or Snell. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you're a Snell guy, Strasbourg or even Charlie Mood.
Speaker 1: I think these are all just long shots. I think
Speaker 1: it's de Groam. I think Scherzer is going to get
Speaker 1: into that conversation. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think Darvish and deGrom is where I would kind
Speaker 1: of spend my money. How do you see National League
Speaker 1: SciTE young working out?
Speaker 2: I think de Gram should be like a shorter favorite.
Speaker 1: I think he should be at least like three to
Speaker 1: one or under like I'm you know, and you can
Speaker 1: find plus three point fifty at FanDuel for him. That's
Speaker 1: about Yeah, you know, that's as bad as it gets
Speaker 1: bad as it gets there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the consensus line is four twenty five. That's where
Speaker 2: it is at most it's crazy, there's value on that.
Speaker 2: De Gram is the obvious choice because I mean, not
Speaker 2: only has he shown no slippage in his performance, but
Speaker 2: he looks better than ever, like he's just going going.
Speaker 2: And you know, you think about a guy like de Grom,
Speaker 2: who again was not a pitcher originally, he does. He
Speaker 2: was injured, so he doesn't have a ton of miles
Speaker 2: on his arm. He could have several years left of this.
Speaker 2: He's just so much better than the field wings on,
Speaker 2: so I would go with him. I don't hate Darvish whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I do like Snell as well, which you know, again
Speaker 2: we have seen the upside of Snell, so I do
Speaker 2: like him. And again I don't mind Morton at twenty
Speaker 2: two hundred because I do think that again, innings are
Speaker 2: gonna make a difference. Is here. I expect a guy
Speaker 2: like Morton who was injured last year, but when you
Speaker 2: saw his velocity come back in the postseason, you saw
Speaker 2: his performance come back as well, maybe the last year
Speaker 2: of his career. They're gonna let him pitch as much
Speaker 2: as he can, so if he is able to get
Speaker 2: out there with one hundred and seventy one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty innings, because what's the need to save Charlie Morton
Speaker 2: and he does get back to what he does best,
Speaker 2: he's got a shot there. But realistically, to Gram at
Speaker 2: plus four twenty five, there's massive amounts of value on
Speaker 2: that still at this point, and he would be the
Speaker 2: real guy. If I only had one pick to make,
Speaker 2: it would be that.
Speaker 1: All right. Moving on to the Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: in the American League, Randy Rose Arena my goodness, plus
Speaker 1: three point fifty the consensus top. I am fading this
Speaker 1: so hard. I'm just fading it all together. Jared Kelnick
Speaker 1: is plus one thousand, wander Franco plus one thousand. I
Speaker 1: do think you're gonna see Wander Franco this year. But
Speaker 1: Andrew Vaughan at plus eleven consensus, by the way, you
Speaker 1: can get him at plus twenty to one on places
Speaker 1: like bet MGM. Yeah, oh my goodness, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: playing for day one. This is to me one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things we're gonna talk about today, because Andrewon's
Speaker 1: gonna get the abs. He's gonna be there from day one.
Speaker 1: He's got a ton of line up support. It's Andrew
Speaker 1: Vaughan I'm sorry, and if it's not, I'll take the
Speaker 1: heat on it. Yep, but mis has been terrible, Pearson's hurt.
Speaker 1: Rutchman and Malcastle play for the Orioles, and I just
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna really make that kind of a
Speaker 1: big jump. And I like kirol Off, but he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be starting day one. Interesting McKenzie is a nice
Speaker 1: pitcher to me, it's Andrew Vaughn and stand back and
Speaker 1: Wander Franco is probably the higher rated prospect, and he
Speaker 1: should be. But Andrew Vaughn I think is the best
Speaker 1: set up this year to win Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2: Absolute agree. I mean he's going to start the year
Speaker 2: in the majors almost certainly. I mean, as we record this,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's been officially announced yet. But
Speaker 2: he's been playing the outfield as well, which apparently he's
Speaker 2: not terrible at, which is a little surprising to me.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That is awesome, bar true, the bar exceptionally low.
Speaker 2: Lo He is gonna play and he can hit, I mean,
Speaker 2: without a doubt heating it. I have no doubt that
Speaker 2: he's gonna end the Major so at plus eleven hundred yeah,
Speaker 2: there is. And again you mentioned it, bet mg M
Speaker 2: plus two thousand all day long. I love that, I will.
Speaker 2: I don't mind, Kira lof you mentioned it. He is
Speaker 2: not starting in the majors. I did not expect him
Speaker 2: to start in the majors this year. They'll buy the
Speaker 2: extra year of control. He also made it easier for them.
Speaker 2: But the fact that he had a terrible spring, but
Speaker 2: his minor league track record shows.
Speaker 1: That he can't play.
Speaker 2: It's Jake Cave and left field. They're going to need
Speaker 2: to win to be able to keep up with the
Speaker 2: White Sox, so I think he's going to be up
Speaker 2: in like three weeks.
Speaker 1: Would Jake Cave sound like a like a fake singer
Speaker 1: from a Disney Channel show? Like I just felt, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like.
Speaker 2: Wherever you were, wherever you were going with that, I
Speaker 2: was going to find it humorous because you could go
Speaker 2: anywhere you want with Jake.
Speaker 1: Color's Jake Cave. He's the coolest guy on campus.
Speaker 2: So whatever he is, he's going to be. He's going
Speaker 2: to be out of a job in three weeks as
Speaker 2: my guess. And I think ki av hit as soon
Speaker 2: as he gets there. But he is not good defensively either.
Speaker 2: So again I think it's Vonn because you know you've
Speaker 2: got it. But at plus two thousand, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: taking a shot at Kilof as well.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's close things out here at National
Speaker 1: League Rooki of the Year, could Brian Hayes a plus
Speaker 1: three fifty the favorite, which is yep, I'm fine with this.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's fine. Six Do Sanchez a plus five hundred.
Speaker 1: I love six Do Sanchez, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is where I want to go. Dylan Carlson is
Speaker 1: plus seven hundred, and then wait, Ian Anderson plus seventy fifty.
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me. Ian Anderson's a brave Have
Speaker 1: we not seen how many brave rookiy of the Years
Speaker 1: we've had in our lifetime? I mean, look, you want
Speaker 1: to build a narrative. This is a good team. It's
Speaker 1: going to be winning probably ninety plus games, and Ian
Speaker 1: Anderson is gonna be a big part of it. So
Speaker 1: as much as I love the talent of Cabrian Hayes,
Speaker 1: Ian Anderson is my wager here. If you want to
Speaker 1: look past this, you're looking at Joey Barton, Pasha and
Speaker 1: Tyler Stevenson and Hassy Young Kim hasn't hit a damn
Speaker 1: thing this spring, and Spencer Howard is already sent down.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Gore. So like to me, it's Ian Anderson.
Speaker 1: If you want to make a case for Dylan Carlson
Speaker 1: or Cabrian Hayes, the floor is yours. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with the pitcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ian Anderson is my favorite at plus seven to fifteen,
Speaker 2: and again we both like him. We do a lot
Speaker 2: of fantasy work, and you know when you do that,
Speaker 2: you really have to dig in to all of these pitchers,
Speaker 2: and it just again we I think we both had
Speaker 2: the same feeling on him, which is when we started
Speaker 2: sort of our preparation for the twenty twenty one baseball season,
Speaker 2: we did not like Ian Anderson, and by the time
Speaker 2: we were done with it, we loved Ian Anderson. Now
Speaker 2: there is a bottom out situation here, for sure. He
Speaker 2: struggles with the control. His control isn't great the spring,
Speaker 2: but still he's really really good in the Braves rotation
Speaker 2: at plus seven to fifty. I like it. The only
Speaker 2: other one I would I would take a shot on
Speaker 2: is the favorite Cobrian Hayes because I'm I'm actually a
Speaker 2: pretty big Cabrian Hayes.
Speaker 1: And worry about the lack of line of protection.
Speaker 2: Right, But I don't think that matters nearly as much
Speaker 2: when you're talking about one of these individual awards that's
Speaker 2: not an MVP award.
Speaker 1: MVP no, no. I mean to support him having good stats,
Speaker 1: because when you take away all the lineups likes no Marte,
Speaker 1: there's no Josh Bell.
Speaker 2: That lineup is abysmal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lineup is abysmal. And I wonder about that
Speaker 1: because when the young kid does he start to go
Speaker 1: fishing when they don't throw many fastballs anymore. That's why
Speaker 1: I can, Sir Brian Hayes, that's it.
Speaker 2: I think you know it's possible, but he certainly didn't
Speaker 2: last year, which was you know, the lineup wasn't quite
Speaker 2: as bad, but it was pretty bad. And I do
Speaker 2: I like his talent. I like sort of the stack
Speaker 2: cast ata that I saw. That makes me think. But
Speaker 2: it's true, when you are a young player and you
Speaker 2: are in a team that is absolutely terrible and you're
Speaker 2: the only hitter that can really do some damage, had
Speaker 2: chances or you're not gonna see some great pitches, and
Speaker 2: that might make you a little impatient, But at plus
Speaker 2: three fifty, I'm still willing to take the shot. I
Speaker 2: agree though that Ian Anderson at plus seven to fifty
Speaker 2: is my favorite. The only the other thing I do
Speaker 2: love six do Sanchez as well, But he's gonna start
Speaker 2: the year in you know, the either the alternate inside
Speaker 2: of the miners or whatever it is, just to build up,
Speaker 2: So it's going to be really difficult to see him
Speaker 2: topping like maybe one hundred and forty innings this year.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be careful with them. So for me, that
Speaker 2: takes me off of him at plus five hundred much
Speaker 2: prefer Anderson at plus seven fifty.
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