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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for tuning in today. Whether this is your

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Speaker 4: first show or you've been with us over three years,

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Speaker 4: I really want to welcome you. This subject, life after

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Speaker 4: death is so important, not just because it helps us

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Speaker 4: realize that our loved ones live on and that we're

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Speaker 4: going to see them again. I know it helps us

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Speaker 4: through our grief, but I also know it helps us

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Speaker 4: have a good life while we're here. We can start

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Speaker 4: to look at life through the lens of there's a

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Speaker 4: bigger picture that my life must be for a reason.

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Speaker 4: And when we start to imagine that our loved ones

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Speaker 4: who have passed are now our biggest cheerleaders, supporting us

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Speaker 4: from that unseen world, loving us, knowing that we are

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Speaker 4: here to learn, learn to grow, to experience, to love,

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Speaker 4: to forgive, to really taste the rainbow. As far as

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Speaker 4: having new experiences, it can make our life a little

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Speaker 4: bit different. I've said in the past there are three

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Speaker 4: fears that all humans share. One is the fear of dying,

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Speaker 4: one is the fear of failure, and the last is

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Speaker 4: the fear of being alone. Those are the three biggies.

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Speaker 4: I know we have others, but those are the three biggies.

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Speaker 4: So if we can get to a place that we

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Speaker 4: realize that we don't die, that our loved ones are around,

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Speaker 4: well check that off as fear number one. Handled the

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Speaker 4: fear of failure. Everything, and I mean everything in your

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Speaker 4: life is experience for the soul. Even people that have

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Speaker 4: invented some miraculous things. They couldn't have done it without failure.

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Speaker 4: So whatever it is you're dealing with in your life,

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Speaker 4: know that you're on the right track, and failure is

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Speaker 4: actually a good thing because you're one step closer to success.

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Speaker 4: And the fear of being alone, well you're never alone. Certainly,

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Speaker 4: our loved ones give us privacy. As the book title

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Speaker 4: do dead people watch Me in the shower says? We

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Speaker 4: have that question and know they don't. We have our privacy,

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Speaker 4: but believe me, love is all around. They can have

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Speaker 4: one foot in our world and one foot in theirs,

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Speaker 4: where they continue to live and go after their dreams

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Speaker 4: and explore. But as seen on so many wonderful evidential

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Speaker 4: medium demonstrations, they are with us today. I want to

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Speaker 4: do a few things. One complements of our friends at

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Speaker 4: i AM's which is the International Association for Near Death Studies.

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Speaker 4: You can find them at iam DO org. We're going

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Speaker 4: to hear from a pathologist, Peter Cummings, about his near

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Speaker 4: death experience. If you remember, a few weeks ago, I

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Speaker 4: had a conversation with a funeral director and she sent

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Speaker 4: me a packet of things about preparing for the inevitable.

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Speaker 4: I'm not ready to plan my funeral. No, I'm not,

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Speaker 4: but I'm kind of curious if I were going to,

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Speaker 4: could I put a little fun in funeral? Take away

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Speaker 4: this fear and mistique about the fact that our bodies

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Speaker 4: the last thing is a question that just came up yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Is there such things as earthbound spirits? So you just

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Speaker 4: hang out for this episode and we'll get to all

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Speaker 5: I'm a forensic pathologist and a neuropathologist. I've conducted thousands

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlaine.

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Speaker 4: This has been a big year for near death experiences

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 4: and before we get onto the question about are their

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Speaker 4: earth bound spirits. I'm wondering if you and I can

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Speaker 4: put a little fun in funeral planning. While that may

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Speaker 4: seem like a morbid concept, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 4: but I'm sick and tired of feeling afraid of the

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Speaker 4: actual dying process. And my voice inside my head, you know,

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Speaker 4: that little negative voice that we all have, is doing

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Speaker 4: everything possible to keep us alive, which is good. We're

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Speaker 4: not ready to go, but so many of us don't

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Speaker 4: deal with the fact that while our bodies are going

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Speaker 4: to stop, we're going to continue on. We are going

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Speaker 4: on the best vacation of our lives. In fact, when

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Speaker 4: we get over there, it'll be this life that seemed

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Speaker 4: like just the dream, we'll realize we are home. Many

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Speaker 4: years ago, my friend Andy died. Shortly after his death,

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Speaker 4: in fact, within a week his father died. I went

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Speaker 4: to the funeral, and in my mind's eye, I saw

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Speaker 4: Andy standing on the altar, and also this other decent

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Speaker 4: looking man. I thought it was my imagination, but those

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Speaker 4: images stayed true to life.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Andy was not in the greatest of health when he passed,

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Speaker 4: but the vision of him he was healthy, he was young,

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Speaker 4: he was slender. After the funeral We went into the

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Speaker 4: back room of the church as there was a celebration

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Speaker 4: of life with tea and coffee and cookies, and there

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Speaker 4: was a shrine that was created for Andy and his father.

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Speaker 4: I looked at the pictures and his father was the

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Speaker 4: same man that I had seen in my vision standing

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Speaker 4: on the altar in the church. Not only that, but

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Speaker 4: when my own dad passed, I was comforted because at

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Speaker 4: the end of the pew he was standing there. I

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Speaker 4: think that in the deepest times of grief that our

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Speaker 4: loved ones can work some magic to say, hey, I'm

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Speaker 4: still here with you. There was a lot of unfinished

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Speaker 4: business that we had to deal with after the death

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Speaker 4: of my dad, which left me estranged from my siblings,

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Speaker 4: becoming one of those stories you hear about the siblings fighting.

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Speaker 4: Not long ago, I had the question in my mind,

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Speaker 4: if I pass or my mom passes, and we find

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Speaker 4: each other gone, what do you do. I thought to

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Speaker 4: reach out to a funeral home, and a nice gal

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Speaker 4: named Brenna called me back. I found out the first

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Speaker 4: thing we do is we call nine to one one

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Speaker 4: if someone passes in hospice or in a hospital. They

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Speaker 4: take care of the arrangements that the person has to

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Speaker 4: be pronounced dead first. Brenna then dropped off a package

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Speaker 4: into our mailbox. In the package was a price list

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Speaker 4: of funerals and expenses, and after taking a quick look,

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to go in a cardboard box and be cremated.

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Speaker 4: The cheapest way possible put me in a cookie jar.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy with that. But also she left two copies

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Speaker 4: of what's called a personal planning Guide. I love it,

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Speaker 4: and Brenna, if you're listening, thank you because I did

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Speaker 4: tell her about my show. Many funeral homes within the

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Speaker 4: US and Canada are hooked up to what's called Dignity Memorial.

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Speaker 4: I am not a paid affiliate, but I think what

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Speaker 4: they do is great. If you go to dignitymmorial dot com,

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Speaker 4: you can request or look up the personal Planning Guide.

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Speaker 4: That little voice inside of our head may have you

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Speaker 4: want to resist this conversation. So if you think about

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Speaker 4: this like you are going on the trip of a lifetime,

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Speaker 4: wouldn't we all make sure we have all of our

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Speaker 4: things in place so that our businesses run while we're gone.

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Speaker 4: Our family has everything they need. Well, this personal Planning

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Speaker 4: Guide has all the basics. I suggest you get a

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Speaker 4: hard copy of it from one of the funeral homes

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Speaker 4: and fill it out for yourself. Now, the will is

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Speaker 4: something separate, that's it's definitely important. In the inside cover

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Speaker 4: of the planning guide it says plan ahead for the

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Speaker 4: celebration of a lifetime and yeah, let's look at it

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Speaker 4: that way. So what's inside the planning guide. It helps

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Speaker 4: you leave your legacy. You can write down your genealogy,

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Speaker 4: who your family members are. Of course, there's a place

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Speaker 4: to fill in whether you want to be cremated or

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Speaker 4: buried in the cemetery. You list the important organizations that

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Speaker 4: need to know that you have departed people to contact,

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Speaker 4: your Social Security information as state information, passwords for some

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Speaker 4: of your accounts that are important, where your finances are kept,

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Speaker 4: your online profiles. You can also plan your obituary. Wouldn't

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Speaker 4: that be great saying what you want to say about

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Speaker 4: the life You just led messages to your loved ones

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Speaker 4: in it. There's assistance to family and friends. This thing

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Speaker 4: is a nice workbook and it is free. So besides

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Speaker 4: having the will, do yourself a favor. Get in touch

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Speaker 4: with a funeral home, whether it's through Dignity Memorial or

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Speaker 4: your local funeral home, and take away some of the

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Speaker 4: fear around funeral planning and put in a little fun.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of fun I did a little look to

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Speaker 4: see if funeral home directors believe in the afterlife, and

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Speaker 4: here are some of the stories that I found. This

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Speaker 4: one is from Sarah. I am a funeral home owner

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Speaker 4: and licensed director. I do believe in an afterlife, though

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Speaker 4: I have never yet encountered any ghosts in the funeral home.

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Speaker 4: My belief in the afterlife comes from reading accounts of

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Speaker 4: people who have died and then come back to life.

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Speaker 4: My favorite is Proof of Heaven, written by a distinguished neurosurgeon,

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Speaker 4: Eban Alexander. Being in my profession surrounded by death daily,

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Speaker 4: you have to accept your own mortality. I'm in my

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Speaker 4: mid sixties. You live on through the DNA and your children.

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Speaker 4: But I also know matter cannot be destroyed, only changed

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Speaker 4: in form. Therefore, I am very comfortable knowing that there

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Speaker 4: is an afterlife. Maybe not living in the clouds or

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Speaker 4: wearing white robes and playing harps, but there is some

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Speaker 4: form of eternal life. Here's a story by Maria. She says,

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Speaker 4: one of my uncles runs a very interesting business. His

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Speaker 4: business is making coffins. Some of these coffins are engraved

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Speaker 4: beautifully and made from great quality of wood, mahogany, sandalwood,

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Speaker 4: or even teak, and his warehouse is right next door

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Speaker 4: to his house. When we stayed in his house, one

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Speaker 4: time I woke up disturbed by a banging noise that

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Speaker 4: was coming from his warehouse. I woke up to find

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Speaker 4: him still watching the television late at night. I said

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Speaker 4: to him, Hey, you're still awake. He said, yeah, just

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Speaker 4: waiting for a call. Go back to sleep, darling, it's

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Speaker 4: still midnight. Then I said yes, but with that banging noise,

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Speaker 4: it's so hard to sleep. He says, oh, don't worry

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Speaker 4: about it. I didn't quite understand what he meant by

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Speaker 4: waiting for a phone call related to this banging or

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Speaker 4: knocking sound on the wood. I left him for the night,

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Speaker 4: and about ten minutes later I could hear him speaking

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Speaker 4: on the phone saying, yes, yes, I have the one

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Speaker 4: of teakwood for you. It'll be ready tomorrow, and then

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Speaker 4: he hung up. In the morning, when we all sat

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Speaker 4: down to breakfast, one of his workers told him the

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Speaker 4: teakwood coffin was ready to be delivered to the funeral parlor.

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Speaker 4: So he and then left, so I said, hey, what

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Speaker 4: happened last night? My uncle and my father just looked

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Speaker 4: at each other while my mother and sister were busy

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Speaker 4: making breakfast. My dad said, well, whenever someone dies, the

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Speaker 4: deceased always knock on one of the coffins that they

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Speaker 4: choose and call your uncle to let him know which

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Speaker 4: one they want. Usually, after knocking and banging, there comes

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Speaker 4: a phone call. And it has been this way for

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Speaker 4: the last twenty years. My uncle still is running that

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Speaker 4: coffin making business, and now his son is involved. Funeral

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Speaker 4: director Clint said, my wife was an embalmer. Occasionally a

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Speaker 4: spirit would make itself known. Once, while applying makeup to

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Speaker 4: an elderly grandmother, she was about to apply a natural

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Speaker 4: toned lipstick when she felt a light tapping on her shoulder.

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Speaker 4: In her mind, she heard, I want red lipstick. However,

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Speaker 4: my wife felt that red was inappropriate for the occasion,

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Speaker 4: so she said no. She heard it again, I want

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Speaker 4: red lipstick, and then again she said no. My wife

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Speaker 4: silently said to this spirit, you're going to look like

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Speaker 4: a prostitute at your own funeral. She turned around and

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Speaker 4: saw her supervisor staring at her with crossed arms. Suddenly,

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Speaker 4: a tube of lipstick popped out of the makeup case

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Speaker 4: and rolled across the table. Open it. The supervisor said

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Speaker 4: it was the brightest red shade of lipstick in the case.

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Speaker 4: Grandma got her wish. My dear grandmother Betsy got her

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Speaker 4: wish too. Her favorite hat said on it bad hair day,

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Speaker 4: and guests, what was in the coffin with Grammy? Yep,

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Speaker 4: that hat. If you want some good stories, there's a

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Speaker 4: book called Confessions of a Funeral Director by Caleb Wilde.

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Speaker 4: You might want to check that out. I don't know

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Speaker 4: about you, but for me, I want to have everything

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Speaker 4: planned so that my loved ones know exactly what to do.

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Speaker 4: I want it to be a huge party, bring a pinata,

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Speaker 4: Margarita's and some great music, because I am living on

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Speaker 4: and I am going to lead the biggest conga line

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Speaker 4: in the afterlife. And what about you? If we're going

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Speaker 4: to witness our own funerals, what do we want to

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Speaker 4: see happen? Think about it and make a plan for it.

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Speaker 4: So let's go to the break and we'll be back

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Speaker 4: to find out. Is there such thing as earthbound spirits?

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 6: Stay right there, there's more Sandra coming right out.

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Speaker 7: Hey, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren. Don't

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Speaker 7: forget to check out my show Strange Things each week

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Speaker 7: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Hi, it's don your sky.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of new age and interesting beliefs about

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Speaker 4: the afterlife. Some of it I believe in, and some

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Speaker 4: of it I think is pretty far out and crazy.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit about earth bound

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Speaker 4: spirits on this segment. If you are somebody who believes

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Speaker 4: in that and it empowers you to live your life

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Speaker 4: and gives you meaning by all means, go ahead and believe.

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Speaker 4: But I've studied at the Great Arthur Finley College, the

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Speaker 4: oldest school on mediumship on planet Earth, and they say, no,

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Speaker 4: you're either here or you're there. There's no middle ground.

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Speaker 4: I really just like people talking about these earthbound spirits.

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Speaker 4: You tell a parent whose child has passed that they're

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Speaker 4: stuck somewhere, and that to me is one of the

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Speaker 4: scariest things imaginable. They aren't stuck. They're alive and well,

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Speaker 4: and you'll see them again. Just as a confirmation. Last

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Speaker 4: night we asked this question to our resident friend in

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Speaker 4: the afterlife, Eric Robert Johnston, who speaks through trance medium

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Speaker 4: Scott Milligan. I have over one hundred and eighty hours

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Speaker 4: of recordings from mister Eric. He never misses a beat.

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00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: You've asked for more of Eric. Here I am. Last

647
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: night he was answering a question about heartbreak, and then

648
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: I ask him about earth bound spirits.

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00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: Every time you think of a happy memory, that is

650
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: them thinking of you. Every time you think of a nightmare,

651
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: that is of your own making, not the desire of

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00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: the one in our reality. Be gentle on yourself, my

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00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: dear boy, and live your life. Bring your love into

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Speaker 2: this world, and understand that one day you will hold

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00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: the hands of those who you love and who truly

656
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: loved you back. My dear boy, nothing will ever be pleasing.

657
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: I offer these words to you, as many people at

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00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: this moment offer their love and good wishes because they

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00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: have loved and they know the pain. And you have

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00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: given those an opportunity day by asking your question that

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00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: has helped many under your son. Is that pleasing for you,

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00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: my dear boy. That was wonderful? Thank you? You are

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00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: indeed most welcome. Continue to live and don't hide from

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Speaker 2: this world because the world will miss you. Let her

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00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: smoke up. Time is against me. I would take one

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Speaker 2: more inquiry, all right.

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Speaker 4: Eric, I'll ask this question on behalf of.

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00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Judith, and I trusted she as well as she.

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Speaker 4: Is, she says Eric. Are there earth bound spirits who

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00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: have not found their way completely to the other side,

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00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: such as a soul who passed quickly in a suicide accident,

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00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: or possibly making promises prior to their passing, saying I

673
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 4: will always be with you, I will never leave you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh darn. There is no earth bounced spirits.

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00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: There are only earth bounced souls, and those are people

676
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: like yourselves. When the mortal death comes, your soul knows

677
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: where it must go, and it will go there like

678
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: asleep and being woken instantaneously. May I say, as some

679
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: may fall on their sword. Do you remember coming to

680
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: this world and do you remember how you got here? No,

681
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: you do not, because your soul knew what it needed

682
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: to do, and likewise, the mortal death comes, it will

683
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: go where it is meant to. This thought that we

684
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: need rescuing, We come to rescue you, but we find

685
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: it amusing. But we also see hope, hope that humanity

686
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: has moved away from this realization that when you are dead,

687
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: you are dead an actuality. You are moral alive than

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00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: you ever were, not being exhausted, not having the resources

689
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: to be the best that you can. And so, my friend,

690
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: what they knew then is different to what we know now.

691
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: They came to an idea that many people need safe in.

692
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: You do need saving from your insanity. And I mean

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: no insult when I say it, but one must move

694
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: away from the state within books in knowledge that believes

695
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: that we need saving encouraging. Have you all been to

696
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: our destination? No, you have not. You are simply the

697
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: travelers through life. When you come to your death, No

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00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: matter how you come to our world, be it through

699
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: your hand, be it through disease, natural causes, or by

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00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: the head of someone else, you will feel like you

701
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: fall asleep, and the moment that you have fallen asleep,

702
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: you awaken, refreshed, huvenated in the golden shores of our reality.

703
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: It will be a celebration, and our world will cheer that.

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00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: The sadness to this is we celebrate. Those who are

705
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 2: left behind will fall into hell, because you will fall

706
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: into grief. These are the ones that need rescue, in

707
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: support and encouragement. That is why, my friends, we say,

708
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: through tongue and cheek, we come to rescue you. So

709
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: do not allow death to give you fear. It is

710
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 2: the body that will experience the pain, the confusion. Some

711
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: will be excited, some will be at peace. But was

712
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: it not written from dust to dust, ashes to ashes,

713
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: Come from dust and return to it. But something so great,

714
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: something so powerful as who you are, can never die.

715
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: Believe or do not. I am a testament that I

716
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: have become a friend to death. And now I have

717
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: understood it was a lie. I was not judged. I

718
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: did not have to turn left or right to hell

719
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: or to heaven. I stood and felt that I could

720
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: breathe more easily, think more deeply, and have clear vision.

721
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: And as the light shone into my eyes in the

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00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: center of it was my wife, my children, my family,

723
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: and my soul, said, oh my God, and I was there.

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Speaker 2: Each of you will experience the quickening, as I have said,

725
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: but only when you have lived your life sound to

726
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: my dear, would that be pleasing for.

727
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 4: You very much? Thank you Eric.

728
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: We have come to the turning point where I must stand,

729
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: and you, good people, must continue to live your life

730
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: in accordance to the natural law. Make mistakes, and make

731
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: greater mistakes, but live and live your life to be

732
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: the best it can. Leave room within your heart to

733
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: think of others who are less fortunate themselves. Be patient

734
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: with those who think they're grander than oneself. But no

735
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: matter if one is rich or poor, who still come

736
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: to the same place. And so go out into your

737
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: world and know that our world walks with you, and

738
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: wipe away the tears and clear away the clouds of confusion,

739
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: so that the great horizon stands firmly in front of

740
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: you until such times that you are called. We remain

741
00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: your friends and faithful servants to humanity in your understanding

742
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: not God, May God bless and keep each and every

743
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: one of you, and bless the symbol that you carry

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00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: that only promotes peace, not conflict, and may bless the

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00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: families that you represent here maybe too be touched and

746
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: hell in the most tender manner. Good day to you,

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Speaker 2: my friend, and good.

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Speaker 4: Day to you Eric, and thank you and those that

749
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 4: work with you. And for my friend who is listening

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Speaker 4: to Shades of the Afterlife today, please come join Scott

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