WEBVTT - Bonus #2: Acting / Writing / Interviews

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, welcome, all you listeners out there. I'm Bobby see

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<v Speaker 1>Us and I play Marco. That's a wrap on our

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<v Speaker 1>story for the season, but we still have more content

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<v Speaker 1>for you. This is a bonus behind the scenes episode

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<v Speaker 1>about the making of Here Comes the Break. For the

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<v Speaker 1>second week of our behind the scenes look at the

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<v Speaker 1>makers of the show, we have two more segments coming

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<v Speaker 1>at you. First up, I had a conversation with Danielle Perkins,

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<v Speaker 1>who plays Janelle, about our experience making the show our

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<v Speaker 1>first podcast listening. Cool, cool, cool. I'm here with my

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<v Speaker 1>co star, are Janelle the Lovely Daniella Perkins? Daniella, how

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? Introduce yourself? Let's get it. Hey, guys, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Daniella Perkins, I played Janelle and Here Comes the Break

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited to have this little conversation. Alright, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll just dive right in. First question, I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>curious about this. How did you get involved with Here

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<v Speaker 1>Comes a Break? What was the process like for you

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<v Speaker 1>joining the project? Okay, so I got involved with this

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<v Speaker 1>project after my agent sent me over the script. I

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<v Speaker 1>read it. After I read it, I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>it the entire day. I was like Wow. Wow, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a really good script. So I got back right away

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I want to be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of this, please, let's do this. I just connected with

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<v Speaker 1>it immediately, no question about it at all. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was right when all the protests were going on and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It just hit different. I guess, yeah, that's dope for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like it was pitched almost as

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<v Speaker 1>like a play podcast hybrid um, and I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds cool and news. Let me read into it

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<v Speaker 1>um and then yes, it's sort of same for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of combining hip hop and mental health conversation

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<v Speaker 1>through what I love to do, it was just dope.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, yeah, I'm right in there. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, were there any particular parts of the story

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<v Speaker 1>that really drew you in that made you definitely to

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<v Speaker 1>be a part of it. Oh yeah, I mean literally

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<v Speaker 1>everything about this story I was just drawn too because

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<v Speaker 1>it was one, you know, relating to topics our nation

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<v Speaker 1>was is still currently dealing with racially, you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>those open conversations about mental health. And another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was really really cool is it's super relatable

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<v Speaker 1>in all those parts obviously, but another thing is like

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<v Speaker 1>kids nowadays are creating their own business. Regardless how old

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<v Speaker 1>you are, you can make a career for yourself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, obviously, you know, I also do that myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I just think that's so cool. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everything about this project is just so real and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just drawn to it. So yeah, yeah, that's dope.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I think about that, I think about what

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing at sixteen or fifteen in comparison to

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<v Speaker 1>this newer generation. They're like so far ahead of like

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<v Speaker 1>what I was doing in terms of being producted. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very inspiring. Yeah, facts, So we'll just keep zooming through

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<v Speaker 1>these questions. Is there something that you identified with about

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<v Speaker 1>your character and or how are you different? Okay? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're both very headstrong and determined. We both

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what we want. But I feel like her

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<v Speaker 1>determination is like she'll like go out there and get

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<v Speaker 1>it done. And then like with me, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>I want, but I'll take a little more time, but

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<v Speaker 1>really think about things and go for it and just

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've got to get it done, you know, Ruben,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go here. We gotta talk about this, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get this, and so she has just more like

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<v Speaker 1>pushed behind me, I guess, and I'm more like I

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<v Speaker 1>needn't think a little bit fucking do something. I feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that. Do you feel like there's got a

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<v Speaker 1>better way to go about doing things in your life?

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<v Speaker 1>Me personally? Yeah, if you could be more like Janelle,

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<v Speaker 1>would you want to or do you prefer how you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of? Oh? No, I would Yeah, I'd want to

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<v Speaker 1>be like Janelle. I feel like having those little stops

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<v Speaker 1>and mean, well, what if I do this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be seen this way, you know, instead of just being like, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly how I want things to play out

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<v Speaker 1>and where my vision is and how how I want

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<v Speaker 1>to thing to play out. And so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>with me taking those little stops to be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let me think instead of just going for it fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what I look up to Janelle about, Like she's

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<v Speaker 1>just like goes for Yeah. For me, Marco, I think

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<v Speaker 1>what I resonate with is just his hustle. His hustle

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<v Speaker 1>and his ability to to not necessarily pull strings but

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<v Speaker 1>finesse people into pulling strings for him. Oh I like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of like I wish I could do that more.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have quite a bit of a hustle,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's just super ahead of the game. Yeah, same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with Janelle. This is just just a little bit more. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your experience like just recording the production? So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I the studio is like a city over from

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<v Speaker 1>where I live. So I actually went in studio mask

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<v Speaker 1>on see what I did there. So like that was

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<v Speaker 1>my experience. What was yours? Like? Recording all the way

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<v Speaker 1>from the West coast? So mine, I just recorded in

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<v Speaker 1>my bedroom. They sent me with this little microphone and

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<v Speaker 1>pack over and all this stuff, and I I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, wow, I'm in my room doing this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>who am I? You know? The only thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>different for me was not having that natural planter and

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<v Speaker 1>would get from being in the room with people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just odd, you know, like being live

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<v Speaker 1>action acting is like so different than doing a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and especially being at home, Like I feel like also

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<v Speaker 1>being in the studio just gives you that extra oath

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<v Speaker 1>of you feel like you're really in that moment. So

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<v Speaker 1>did you get any direction? Well, yes, they gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a direction. We'd be on the call and everything and

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<v Speaker 1>like they would read it through me, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being an actor you give a little bit more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just different. But it was definitely an experience and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy with how it turned out. Wouldn't want

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<v Speaker 1>it any other way. It was a cool experience. Path

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<v Speaker 1>when it finally dropped. What was your experience like listening

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<v Speaker 1>to it? Well, one, I was nervous and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, I was going to play at because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like not having that panter there. I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I did to know justice and I would

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<v Speaker 1>really love this project. I wanted to be the best

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<v Speaker 1>could be. When I listened to it the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my gosh, it turned out so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I cried a little bit. I did because I

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<v Speaker 1>was so happy. It truly felt such a connection with

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<v Speaker 1>this story and all these characters, and I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I cried a little bit. I get very connected to

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<v Speaker 1>the work I do, so when I see something from

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<v Speaker 1>out and I'm very happy being proud of it, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets me a little emotional. But yeah, I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>it with my mom. That's really I was just waiting

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<v Speaker 1>counting down the days for to drop. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I got the notification on on Apple Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I just turned on my headphones, laid in my bed,

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<v Speaker 1>face to the ceiling, and I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this. And then just the like first fifteen seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Yo, the music quality of this is

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<v Speaker 1>so fire, like how am I even part of this?

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<v Speaker 1>And then just listening to the story. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times where I had to rewind because I

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<v Speaker 1>was so focused on how well I I did justice

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<v Speaker 1>to Marco, if I was doing justice, and just listening

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<v Speaker 1>to those things. As an artist, something I'm always striving

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<v Speaker 1>for is to be able to consume or just be

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<v Speaker 1>an audience member for projects that I'm in, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>like judging it from an actor's point of view, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean to Like, I found myself almost

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<v Speaker 1>not listening quite to the story, but rather listening to

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<v Speaker 1>how it came out, if that makes sense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So like that makes sense, I'd have to rewind and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, okay, like let me actually tune into what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going on and not just my voice. You know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>same with you. I was like totally blown away just

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<v Speaker 1>by like the story and the production quality of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, word word, What was something important and different

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<v Speaker 1>about keeping creatively busy during the pandemic year for you, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic definitely like changed my world completely because what

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<v Speaker 1>I do is so much about seeing people and getting

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It's just revolves around like so many other

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<v Speaker 1>people and that just me. So it's definitely like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I gonna do? You know? But when this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast really helped me because it gave me something to

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<v Speaker 1>do and really throw myself into and just work on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was very very thankful it came when the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic was happening and all that. It was scary. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a big change on the acting side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Live action wise, every audition was zoom and it still

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<v Speaker 1>is zoom. It's how you know, charming people in the

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<v Speaker 1>room isn't a thing you have to like get on

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<v Speaker 1>the zoom and be like hey, what's up? And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not that like connection you can build with casting directors.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally just this past week ahead a producer session and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh jeez, it's so different, Like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I think it's definitely going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>new normal in a way. I think the biggest part

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<v Speaker 1>for me was it also gave me time to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out more about me that makes sense and like what

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<v Speaker 1>I really want my career to be and what I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do and what I needed to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>It gave me more time to kind of focus on

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<v Speaker 1>that instead of being on this constant hustle and like

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<v Speaker 1>I need to do this, I need to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be here, and I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>I got to stay home, you know, with yourself. Definitely

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<v Speaker 1>feel that. Definitely feel like get in touch with me

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<v Speaker 1>and get better at all the things that I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Yeah, I'm curious what does that look like

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<v Speaker 1>aside from working on your career during the pandemic when

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't doing that sort of stuff, whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>like meditation like rubin or like what are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the daily practices or things that you engaged with that

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<v Speaker 1>made you feel like you're being a better Daniela. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely just cutting out time for me because I very

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<v Speaker 1>easily to be like I can do a million things

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<v Speaker 1>at once and that's okay because that's the lifestyle. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, realizing like no, you you know, you go

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<v Speaker 1>to take some time for yourself, like it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>have one day where you're not running around and doing

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<v Speaker 1>all these things. Meditation is something I never thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be into and I didn't get into,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's helped me a lot because I've a very

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<v Speaker 1>overthinking mind. I guess I would say it's always on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never I'm doing this right now, I can think

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I could be like all the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>hype in the world. I'll be thinking about what I

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<v Speaker 1>have to do when I get back to my room,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, instead of just like enjoying the now. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like meditation really helped me with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>also do this little thing called a brain dump. I

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<v Speaker 1>take time in the morning when I wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>I just write down kind of like journaling, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just write down everything thinking and everything. That's just clearing

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<v Speaker 1>my mind of the clutter. Yeah, I would say that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I kind of do. That's dope, that's dope, very

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<v Speaker 1>similar for me. I actually, during the pandemic, I challenged myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been meditating for quite some time a few years now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I challenged myself to just do it more consistently.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did like a hundred day eight minute meditation challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>where like I wouldn't break it for any day. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like the most rewarding thing that I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>put myself through, and like, by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred days, I just felt so much more clear and

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<v Speaker 1>like productive and it was really cool. Since then, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been hard to get back to it now that things

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<v Speaker 1>are going back to normal or semi normal, but like

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<v Speaker 1>that's now something I try to incorporate daily and try

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<v Speaker 1>to just keep up with it. I love that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>also another cool thing. It's not something that has to

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<v Speaker 1>take up like an hour of your day. It's true

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<v Speaker 1>something that you can work into your busy life, which

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<v Speaker 1>I love. It's nice to find something like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>real quick, before we wrap this up, I have one

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<v Speaker 1>personal question and then I'll have one rapping question. So

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast, our characters and Reubens specifically, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about influencer culture and how that sort of affects us personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been curious, as someone who's an actor but

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<v Speaker 1>like not like a breakout star yet. I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>curious what the transition from not having a super large

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<v Speaker 1>audience too then having one, what that looks like. Are

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<v Speaker 1>there things that you personally had to like mentally think

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<v Speaker 1>about because you now have a large audience that you're

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<v Speaker 1>almost like responsible for. What was that like for you?

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<v Speaker 1>For me, I started the whole social media thing and

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<v Speaker 1>my main passion acting at the same exact time. I

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<v Speaker 1>was on set for my first thing and my sister

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Yo, we gotta hop on this musically thing

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, bet let's do so for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of happened at the same time. And I

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<v Speaker 1>really haven't changed my own personality, I guess when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to being online. And I never was really like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, people are gonna like look up to me,

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<v Speaker 1>like I need to make sure I'm like being a

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<v Speaker 1>role model and things like that. I don't know. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been like I need to hide a part of

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<v Speaker 1>me because I'm super open and I feel like nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about me personally is like shocking or like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I might be a little weird, but like that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And it comes to social media and all that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>now I feel like it's definitely changed then when I

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<v Speaker 1>started it, and that was only you know, like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. But I feel like now becoming

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok or like that must be very crazy, and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it is also crazy, like going into all the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and you're like, wow, this is such a different world.

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<v Speaker 1>And now that it's like next thing of kids coming

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm oh, my gosh, this is such a different world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy what a couple of years can change everything. Thought.

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<v Speaker 1>With social media, it's definitely a little scarier now. For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I felt like it was a safe place rather

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<v Speaker 1>than like a place to like, you know, get a

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<v Speaker 1>brandle and do all this stuff. I hear that. I

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. Okay, now that life is returning to normal,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we expect from you? What are some projects

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<v Speaker 1>you might be working on, whether independently or big projects

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<v Speaker 1>that you can speak about. Where are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>see Danielle next? Okay, so this is actually very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I am gonna be in the upcoming season of Grown Ish,

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<v Speaker 1>so congress excited for it premiers this month, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited. I booked it end and we just wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>in June. That's dope. Yeah, it's really cool. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's super fun and you can look out for.

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<v Speaker 1>I also did an independent film last month, so it

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<v Speaker 1>also up in June. I did it right after Grown Ish,

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<v Speaker 1>Super Super Cool. It's called del Topia. But yeah, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for sharing your time with me. Looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>working again. Pleasure meeting you, and peace out by We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back and now back to the show. For

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<v Speaker 1>our final behind the scenes segment, we have a wide

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<v Speaker 1>ranging conversation between Here Comes the Breaks writers Taylor Bettinson

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<v Speaker 1>and Kia Hill about crafting the story and balancing all

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<v Speaker 1>the characters and themes. And Nikia conducted all of the

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<v Speaker 1>mask on artists interviews, which Taylor has some questions about

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<v Speaker 1>for her too. Their conversation coming up next. M hm Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nikia Hill and I'm Taylor Bettinson. Together we wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Here Comes to the Brain, and I was the real

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<v Speaker 1>voice behind the interview host you knew as mascart. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is a special behind the scenes look at the

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<v Speaker 1>writing of season one of Here Comes the Break. Nikkia,

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't you tell the listeners how you got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, how he came to work together? Absolutely so,

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe almost two years ago. Now, I met the

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<v Speaker 1>executive producer and one of the co founders of Double

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis Production, Brady Fadler. I met him through a contact

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<v Speaker 1>and we kept in contact, and I invited him to

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<v Speaker 1>come speak to my students about branding and podcasting and

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about his work. And Brady just blew both

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<v Speaker 1>myself and my students away. And after he spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>my students, we actually sat and we just spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>like just creative things, some of the projects that he

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<v Speaker 1>was working on. And I shared that I have a

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<v Speaker 1>background in podcasting, and and we were just like vibing,

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<v Speaker 1>really just getting to know each other. And I said

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<v Speaker 1>that I had a desire to I'm a nonfiction writer,

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<v Speaker 1>a journalists by practice, and I have a background of

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<v Speaker 1>music journalism. But I really, at that moment, about more

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<v Speaker 1>than a year ago, I had a desire to get

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<v Speaker 1>into script writing. And months past he didn't tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about Here Comes the Break podcast. He was super secretive

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<v Speaker 1>about with some of the projects he was working on,

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<v Speaker 1>which I understand now, Um, industry all the way it works,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't talk about everything. And I just happened to

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<v Speaker 1>reconnect with him. I just was like, hey, shot him

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<v Speaker 1>an email, and um, you know, he remembered the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that we had and then the rest was history. He

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<v Speaker 1>shared a lot about the Here Comes the Break vision

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<v Speaker 1>and talked about you and also the casting director Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just fell in love with the story and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I have to be a part of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and luckily he invited me to be on the team

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<v Speaker 1>in Yeah, the rest of this history, how about you? Yeah? Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited, like you said, when you came aboard.

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<v Speaker 1>I had been involved with Double Elvis a little longer

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<v Speaker 1>than you. I knew the other co founder of Double Elvis,

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<v Speaker 1>Jake Brennan, from other projects around Boston and other companies

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<v Speaker 1>around Boston that we had worked in together, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I had been doing some writing in the podcast based

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<v Speaker 1>on script writing and support writing for Jake on his

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<v Speaker 1>hit show disgrace Ling, and they thought of me to

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<v Speaker 1>come on board with Here Comes the Break and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of do the show running. But as you alluded to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've got students, you're really in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>the youth today, as old like me would say. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was really excited to have someone who would you know,

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<v Speaker 1>again to use zoomer slang, who maybe would keep us

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<v Speaker 1>from me in too choogy, you know, who would keep

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<v Speaker 1>us in touch with with kind of the youthful spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of the characters, because I knew that I had some

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<v Speaker 1>real attachment to the story as well in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>some of the themes which we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about in this behind the scenes look, but in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what I think made us a great match

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<v Speaker 1>with just being able to balance bringing some of that

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<v Speaker 1>realness and some of that lived extreme arans to knowing

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<v Speaker 1>some kids these age in a way where we can

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<v Speaker 1>reflect the maturity and bring a sophisticated structure behind these

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<v Speaker 1>interviews together with these character arts, but just keeping it

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<v Speaker 1>down to ground level. I was. I was so happy

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<v Speaker 1>when we got to work together. So it's pretty simple

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I knew Devil Elvis and knew that they

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna introduce me to even more great people to

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<v Speaker 1>work with. I'm lo and behold you did. Yeah. Like

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<v Speaker 1>as I think about just how Brady and I connected

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<v Speaker 1>and like why he decided to bring me on the team,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wow, I just have all of these different components.

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<v Speaker 1>In regards to my background, it didn't quite lawn on

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<v Speaker 1>me that, oh I worked with youth and also I

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<v Speaker 1>used to have an online publication and at my background

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<v Speaker 1>to music journalism, like it honestly felt like in up

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<v Speaker 1>to date, like it feels like a full circle moment

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<v Speaker 1>for me. And also like I felt working with you

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<v Speaker 1>on the script, it was really because my background was

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<v Speaker 1>not in scriptwriting, Like I'm a storyteller. I'm a writer

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<v Speaker 1>through and through, and I really is that if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a writer, you are writing. It just comes naturally. And

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I was in school because there is

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<v Speaker 1>a particular structure with scriptwriting and just working with you,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely just appreciate like I felt like I was

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<v Speaker 1>a student, like I was able to be it was

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<v Speaker 1>just fluid. I was able to be creative. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I was learning from both you and christs And even

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<v Speaker 1>when we were going through the process of the auditions

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<v Speaker 1>kind of figure out the cast, I just learned. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>learning so much about the evolution of like where podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>are going, and I really feel a part of history

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't see a lot of podcasts doing what

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing in this space right now. Well it is right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's exciting space to be in. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different stuff being tried out, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we incorporated that into the show with the kids pursuing

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. Thank you so much for those comments. Book

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<v Speaker 1>Like a Student trust me, I felt as much a

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<v Speaker 1>student in terms of us being able to find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to bring these voices to together. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>new medium and the structure of a podcast episode can

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<v Speaker 1>be more experimental in some ways than what people are

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<v Speaker 1>used to and more established mediums like movies and TV

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<v Speaker 1>where the rhythms are really established. So we had a

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<v Speaker 1>great time, and particularly because it was over the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>year and there was a lot of time to be

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<v Speaker 1>inside and to be working and be in your head

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<v Speaker 1>about something like this. It was great to have even

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<v Speaker 1>our small two person writers from to bounce ideas off

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<v Speaker 1>of together and develop the story together. Yeah, that has

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<v Speaker 1>always been a dream because as a journalist and I

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<v Speaker 1>write poetry as well, and essaying He's like, I am

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<v Speaker 1>very much in my own world in silo as a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've always wanted to be a part of a

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<v Speaker 1>writer's room. And what was interesting was when I was

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<v Speaker 1>brought on the team, a lot of the story was

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<v Speaker 1>like written, and like you were really open to me

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<v Speaker 1>bringing in more voice, more depth to the characters, and

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<v Speaker 1>just like building so like there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth and like the story is your baby too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thinking about being a woman in the

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<v Speaker 1>music industry, and I'm the only woman on the team.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like both you and Chris and Brady from

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, I didn't feel like I was getting

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<v Speaker 1>any special treatment. It was like, this is the story

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. It felt really good, and especially being

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<v Speaker 1>in the pandemic and the whole women are extremely vocal

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<v Speaker 1>about what it means to be in the entertainment industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm happy that one of my first experience in

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<v Speaker 1>this way was with all of you, because it felt

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<v Speaker 1>really respectful across the board. It was a great experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's so great, thank you for saying that. And

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<v Speaker 1>frankly it ties in a little bit too. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we should discuss the season finale of it. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a couple of big twists and changes in the

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<v Speaker 1>show that we dropped on the audience towards the end,

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<v Speaker 1>not least of which was a shift out of Ruben's

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<v Speaker 1>head for the very first time and into Janelle's first

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<v Speaker 1>respective and promoting that new female perspective on everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>been going on the events of the season. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>coming in, you had a tremendous amount to provide in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of helping flesh out characters, backstories and perspectives and

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<v Speaker 1>adding texture to the world. And I think you really

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<v Speaker 1>connected with the Janelle characters, so it was very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though we had the first draft of the season

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go when you came aboard, it evolved a

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<v Speaker 1>lot as we work together. I think we added the

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<v Speaker 1>trip out to viral Villa, the sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>excursion that leads to his whole later mental health diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a bunch of stuff that happened over the

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<v Speaker 1>year that impacted the development of the story. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss that a little bit. Let's discuss the themes

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<v Speaker 1>of the show and what we just brought to the show. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a story about gen Z breaking out in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasting space and young creators who are digital natives.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the questions we wanted to examine by

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<v Speaker 1>living with these characters were questions of youth and social

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<v Speaker 1>media and creativity and how much that is an influence

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<v Speaker 1>on on everybody today, not just the youth who are

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<v Speaker 1>involved than it, but the older generations whose media and

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<v Speaker 1>culture is being defined by Yeah, I would say, also,

0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>just to piggyback on what you said, The theme was

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:14.879
<v Speaker 1>definitely mental health, also youth finding their voice. Although the

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>characters are teenagers, I feel like anyone from any generation

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:24.879
<v Speaker 1>can relate to just young people just finding themselves and

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 1>standing up for what they believe in and just pursuing

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>even as adults, just pursuing your craft as whatever you

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>want to be an artist, the doctor and architect, just

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>having the bravery like these young people who are extremely

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:44.639
<v Speaker 1>brave and really represented the gen Z generation. I hope

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that it did in the best way. I was really

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>inspired by my students at eight to six Boston that

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I work with on their Youth Literary Advisory Board. I

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.719
<v Speaker 1>work very closely with them. I also have the nineteen

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 1>year a brother. He really inspired me as well. And

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>of course music inspired me in getting to learn more

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>about the amazing lead cast member, the star of the show,

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the mini stars, because all of the actors

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and actresses their stars, but Assante Black really tapping into

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>who he is as the person to that really inspired me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you mentioned the mental health theme as well,

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and that ties in I think so much to what

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 1>people think of when we have conversations about what social

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>media does to people and people get concerned about the youth,

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 1>but you see in the creativity of the on social

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 1>media how much more comfortable they are in that space

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and that bravery and putting themselves out there. Like you said,

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of adults who you don't see you

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>have that courage I who don't know how to do

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it and aren't comfortable with it. And I think it

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>really speaks to the fact that the mental health theme

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 1>as well is it's a universal thing. It's not just

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>some new thing because of social media. Um, but you know,

0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a mental health and dealing with it is a

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty universal concern. I want to share myself a little bit.

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>The mental health theme was really the one that drew

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 1>me to the show because I have a bipolar diagnosis myself.

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>And in the show, as the season came to a close,

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>after Reuben kind of breaks all of his rules and

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>betray his friends and you know, flies across the country

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 1>on his own, everyone's really freaked out and they wonder

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.719
<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't something like a Manning fit, and they

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>start to discuss that as a possible diagnosis, and that

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.159
<v Speaker 1>became really important to me to explore and something I

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>hope we get to explore further because frankly, it's not

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>something that's been debilitating for me, but I did go

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.399
<v Speaker 1>into the hospital to deal with some mania just a

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 1>few months before we started writing the season and before

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic hit, and so my headspace was very much

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>in dealing with this kind of material and working through

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>this material. And it's a largely set in Reuben's head.

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>He's dealing with a lot of anxiety that was written

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 1>into the story from the first draft. Um So I

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>hope that a lot of people, anyone struggling, particularly through

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic here, found some solace in hearing another voice

0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>of someone who was in there head a lot of

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the time, I'm dealing with working through some psychological stuff

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>in order to be able to get back out into

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the world in a boulder and braver way. Although we

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that we were going to go through a pandemic,

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it ended up being a very resonant thematic arc for

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the character, and I hope that came out absolutely And

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>thank you for being vulnerable and sharing that with our listeners,

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>because that was something that I feel like midway through

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>as we were writing the season, that you did disclose

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to me your personal experiences because that was something that

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.479
<v Speaker 1>I really had to do a lot of research, are,

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>like what does one who is living with bipolar disorder?

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>And like what I had to do some research on

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>my end. And also I definitely the writing process was

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>super collaborative, but I was very sensitive to that, and

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I think what you managed to do with sharing that

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 1>part of your personal story was like you humanize the

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>experience and how difficult it can be. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I tried to be pretty transparent about to

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>destigmatize it. And it doesn't have to be a huge thing.

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And some people certainly suffer much more chronically than I

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>do with mental health diagnoses. It's just something that I've

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>learned to live with as an adult, and I think

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>that's something that we all want to be examples of,

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>is being able to sort of cope with our conditions

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and show that it doesn't have to preventue from achieving.

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I think there was another important thing that we should

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>touch on that grew in importance over the season of

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>the show, and that was finding a voice for and

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>finding a balance in your life for activism and social

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>justice issues. I know that over the course of writing

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the show and even over the course of conducting all

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>of the interviews that occurred to some degree over the

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Memorial Day window of when George Floyd was murdered and

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>when there was a large awakening in the country and

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of protests, and we had discussions

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>around that and how much to incorporate it explicitly into

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the show, because we had already had to make the

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>decision early on not to try and write the show

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 1>set in this pandemic quarantine, but to write it for

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>a time afterwards when people could say, go back out

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to music shows again, you know. But we wanted to

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>honor what was going on in the world and be

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>real and topical. You know. Did you find it was

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>difficult to balance at all, like say, doing the interviews

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>in terms of being topical and talking about what was

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>going on in the world that day, while trying to

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.479
<v Speaker 1>maintain something a little more thematic and universal or I mean,

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 1>you're pretty well experienced in the interview mold and lightness. Yeah. Well,

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I definitely wanted to be sensitive to what was occurring

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>not only in our country but throughout the world, because

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>there is still this reckoning and we were just like

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>in the midst of it. So even when we think

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>about self care and what that means, I am not

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>someone when I'm interviewing just focusing on getting the interview done,

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but like connecting with the artists. So number one, I

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>had to acknowledge that we were in the midst of

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the Black Lives Matter movement in a global pandemic. Like

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to know how Saint Bodie was doing,

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>how Nada Jolie, Like I really wanted to connect with

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the artists, just to break the ice of it and

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>just humanize them in that way, just so that we

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>can build that rapport and then we can talk about

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the music. So that was just my approach, and it

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>was so much going on each day and writing. Some

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>parts were very when we started to touch on what

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Ruben's mom, what would she say to her black son?

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Those are things that I would say to my brothers.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Those are fears that I had that my mom has

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in so many moms throughout the world. Yes, it's entertainment.

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes it's a fictionalized story, but it was also very

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>like rooted in the reality that we were in and

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>things just evolved as you know, life happened. For sure,

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, if mom is another example, like you brought

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of gravity to her voice with that perspective,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and even in stuff that's not in say the dialogue.

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>But when we did a conversation on Instagram live with

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>death him mid season for the show, and our host

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>was asking us about the parental style that he saw

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>displayed when Ruben was fighting with his parents, basically that

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they were being pretty allowing of him sort of mouthing

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>off during this discussion and that that was not necessarily

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the norm. And you know, I know that, Like we

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 1>have talked about what is Mom's background, and there was

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>some discussed of her being like a professor and having

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>an academic background, and I thought that that played into

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>some of the sort of openness and permissiveness of dialogue

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>in the house and the way that they end up

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>having their conversations a little bit. Having that sort of

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>intellectualized approach. With most stories that have any kind of

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>serialized element or or have any kind of scope, even

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>if they're short and concise, it's like an iceberg. You know,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the contents are just what's above the water, but there's

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>so much beneath that is uh backstory and character motivation

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff that just manifests above and with our season,

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I think you really see it come to fruition with

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the burst out to Viral Villa, and then you see

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it towards the end with their decision to go out

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>to the Black Lives Matter protest rally as the sort

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of climactic scene of the finale, once we've switched to

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Janelle's perspective and we lose sight of Ruben for the

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>first time, you know, and kind of a twist, we've

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>been in his head the whole season and then we

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>tracked them and it's a bit of a cliffhanger, But

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I also think it's sort of is a button on

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the season because it shows Ruben is still figuring out

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:22.719
<v Speaker 1>what's safe and what's the danger, but he's out there

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>on his own and he's being independent and he's out

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And there is a little something to

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 1>that that shows his progress as a character over the

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>course of that season. Where he was so nervous even

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>as mask on that he was running away from the

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>door in the first few episodes. You know, he was

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>out there being reckless. Like anyone can relate to that

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>when you are a teenager and your parents are trying

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>to shield you. But that is a particular level as

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>you get older, of protection and love. So yeah, Ruben

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>was just really reckless, and I feel like his mom

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>she was for me. I really wanted it to reflect

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the difference of black women, regardless if you're a professor,

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>you have education or not. Like, at the end of

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the day, you're a black woman. And there were moments

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>where mom was like, don't talk back, young man. She

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>said it in a different way, but you know what

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>inspired Mom's character was like a Claire Hospable, she would

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>have that tone. She didn't have to raise her voice,

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 1>but you knew she had that Black mom like don't

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>even try it, you will be grounded. So I really

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to capture that. Yeah, I did want to ask

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you a couple of final questions about your experience as

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Masks on basically as getting to conduct all of these interviews.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you talked a little bit about balancing sort

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of topicality and you know, real world issues with keeping

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>it thematic and establishment poor. But was it also something

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>to balance knowing that you were going to basically be

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>overdubbed by the character. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that was one of the challenging components. There were several

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>challenging pieces, but just for me as a music journalists

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and also building that rapport with artists. I'm a woman,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes if you are interviewing men in particular, I'll

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>just be honest. There's a little bit of like it's

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>like super casual, and sometimes they can get flirtatious and friendly. However,

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>that was something that I kept in mind because that

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>it has been my experience in music journalism. So I

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>really just tried to make sure I mean and at

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning mentioning that too to the artists that

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm asking the questions, but an actor will be asking them.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>But I think I did a good job. I would say,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I think you did an excellent job as the man

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>who went through the transcripts and selected the sections to

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>to become the full mask on interviews for the episode.

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I think you did a marvelous job balancing that and

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree with you. You know, we're given again

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>these behind the scenes peaks. Letting the artists know the

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>format of how it's going to be presented within the

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 1>fictional show. I think probably helped everyone. You have to

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>understand the concept in order to be able to develop

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the real report you're talking about, you know, so that

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>they weren't surprised by that later. And also another thing

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that was challenging that was like the relational piece and

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the interpersonal skills and what it takes the interview, but

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>also making sure that each interview was thematic so that

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it would fit into each episode, like the particular things

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that we knew would go into the script. And I

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like we kind of had to go back into

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>the script and like change some things, but I wanted

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 1>to not create more work on the back end. They're

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 1>all talking about the same thing opening up. And that's

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>something that I still do when I interview artists is like,

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>in your own words, who are you? That is hands

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>down I always ask artists that because in the music industry,

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>labels will try to box you in, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important for artists to define who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them to be able to name this is

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<v Speaker 1>who I am. And then we jump into the interviews

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<v Speaker 1>because I really respect the craft what goes into artists

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<v Speaker 1>creating their music. That's great. And then my final question

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<v Speaker 1>for you about the interviews, did you find I guess

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<v Speaker 1>that what you're saying right now about the theme stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>what threads did you find in interviewing so many emerging

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<v Speaker 1>artists for this project? Did you find a particular sort

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<v Speaker 1>of motif or theme in these interviews? I guess what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is, did you find anything in the answers

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<v Speaker 1>that became a thread that you were following? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>really feel like on some of these things we talked about,

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<v Speaker 1>you really see the interviews blossom and get richer as

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<v Speaker 1>we go on the season, and it creates this real

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<v Speaker 1>sense of Reuben evolving as an interviewer within the story

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<v Speaker 1>that I really loved and think you're a huge part

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<v Speaker 1>of that. What did you find about interviewing all those

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<v Speaker 1>emerging artists in a row? I would definitely say being yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>When we think about a big machine, which is def

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<v Speaker 1>Jam Records, there's so many historical legends artists that come

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<v Speaker 1>from that label, and I think it's easy to say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be like the next Kanye or like the

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<v Speaker 1>next Tiana Taylor or whoever. And even like naming those

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<v Speaker 1>two artists who you know are affiliated with def Jam,

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<v Speaker 1>they are very much who they are, Like there will

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<v Speaker 1>never be another Kanye and I feel like these artists

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<v Speaker 1>really mimic that they were just like authentic raw and

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<v Speaker 1>they were emerging artists. And I think that's the beauty

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<v Speaker 1>about the heir Comes to Break podcasts. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not breaking the artists. But I feel like what

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to capture in the interviews is that

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't asking the same questions that they would be

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<v Speaker 1>asked on another platform, on a radio show or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that our listeners would walk away with getting to know them.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were really concerned about in vocal about what

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<v Speaker 1>social justice meant to them, and like how they were

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with the pandemic, and they were extremely authentic. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think the one theme is like be yourself, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do, do you and pursue that. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they're doing that in such beautiful ways. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the artists I wasn't from you're with their music

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<v Speaker 1>before a particular interview. I'm the lasting their music in

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<v Speaker 1>my house so I can really get to know them,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to their lyrics. I can ask questions about a

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<v Speaker 1>song or an album title and also align it with

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<v Speaker 1>the story. And here goings to Break. Yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it well, I think for yourself is

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<v Speaker 1>a great note to end on. Great theme from the

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<v Speaker 1>interviews and a great theme for the season. Thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for taking the time to have a little conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about the behind the scenes, and again it's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a wrap on this season of Here Comes

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<v Speaker 1>the Break to all of you aspiring creatives out there

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<v Speaker 1>of any age, and we hope these conversations about the

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<v Speaker 1>making of the show have brought you some excitement and

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<v Speaker 1>insight into the creative process and special final shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who made Here Comes to Break possible. Listen

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<v Speaker 1>up for those names one last time in the credits, Peace, love,

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<v Speaker 1>and remember to be yourself. Here Comes to Break is

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Double Elvis and partnership with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Executive duced by Deaf Jam Recordings Executive produced by and

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<v Speaker 1>starring Assanti black Is Ruben, produced by Daniella Perkins who

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<v Speaker 1>plays Janelle, Bobby cs is Marco, Christopher V. Edwards as Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>Raymie Cornell is Mom, and Taylor Bettenson. Written by Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Bettenson and the Kia Hill Artist interviews conducted by Nikia Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Christopher V. Edwards. Mixed and edited by Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Executive produced by Jake Brennan and Brady Sadler for Double

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