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Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome, all you listeners out there. I'm Bobby see

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Speaker 1: Us and I play Marco. That's a wrap on our

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Speaker 1: story for the season, but we still have more content

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Speaker 1: for you. This is a bonus behind the scenes episode

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Speaker 1: about the making of Here Comes the Break. For the

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Speaker 1: second week of our behind the scenes look at the

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Speaker 1: makers of the show, we have two more segments coming

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Speaker 1: at you. First up, I had a conversation with Danielle Perkins,

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Speaker 1: who plays Janelle, about our experience making the show our

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Speaker 1: first podcast listening. Cool, cool, cool. I'm here with my

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Speaker 1: co star, are Janelle the Lovely Daniella Perkins? Daniella, how

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Speaker 1: you doing? Introduce yourself? Let's get it. Hey, guys, I'm

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Speaker 1: Daniella Perkins, I played Janelle and Here Comes the Break

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited to have this little conversation. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: so we'll just dive right in. First question, I'm really

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Speaker 1: curious about this. How did you get involved with Here

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Speaker 1: Comes a Break? What was the process like for you

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Speaker 1: joining the project? Okay, so I got involved with this

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Speaker 1: project after my agent sent me over the script. I

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Speaker 1: read it. After I read it, I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: it the entire day. I was like Wow. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: a really good script. So I got back right away

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of this, please, let's do this. I just connected with

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Speaker 1: it immediately, no question about it at all. And it

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Speaker 1: was right when all the protests were going on and everything.

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Speaker 1: It just hit different. I guess, yeah, that's dope for me.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of like it was pitched almost as

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Speaker 1: this sounds cool and news. Let me read into it

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Speaker 1: um and then yes, it's sort of same for me.

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Speaker 1: The idea of combining hip hop and mental health conversation

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Speaker 1: through what I love to do, it was just dope.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I'm right in there. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So like, were there any particular parts of the story

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Speaker 1: that really drew you in that made you definitely to

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Speaker 1: be a part of it. Oh yeah, I mean literally

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Speaker 1: everything about this story I was just drawn too because

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Speaker 1: it was one, you know, relating to topics our nation

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Speaker 1: those open conversations about mental health. And another thing that

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Speaker 1: I thought was really really cool is it's super relatable

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Speaker 1: in all those parts obviously, but another thing is like

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Speaker 1: kids nowadays are creating their own business. Regardless how old

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Speaker 1: I thought, obviously, you know, I also do that myself,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I just think that's so cool. You know,

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Speaker 1: everything about this project is just so real and I

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Speaker 1: Like when I think about that, I think about what

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Speaker 1: this newer generation. They're like so far ahead of like

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Speaker 1: very inspiring. Yeah, facts, So we'll just keep zooming through

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Speaker 1: these questions. Is there something that you identified with about

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Speaker 1: your character and or how are you different? Okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're both very headstrong and determined. We both

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Speaker 1: be like Janelle. I feel like having those little stops

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Speaker 1: So what was your experience like just recording the production? So,

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Speaker 1: did you get any direction? Well, yes, they gave me

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Speaker 1: when it finally dropped. What was your experience like listening

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Speaker 1: like judging it from an actor's point of view, you

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Speaker 1: Thank you, word word, What was something important and different

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Speaker 1: about keeping creatively busy during the pandemic year for you, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: respective and promoting that new female perspective on everything that's

431
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: been going on the events of the season. Like you said,

432
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Speaker 1: coming in, you had a tremendous amount to provide in

433
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Speaker 1: terms of helping flesh out characters, backstories and perspectives and

434
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: adding texture to the world. And I think you really

435
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: connected with the Janelle characters, so it was very exciting.

436
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: Even though we had the first draft of the season

437
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: ready to go when you came aboard, it evolved a

438
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: lot as we work together. I think we added the

439
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: trip out to viral Villa, the sort of you know,

440
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: excursion that leads to his whole later mental health diagnosis.

441
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Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of stuff that happened over the

442
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Speaker 1: year that impacted the development of the story. Let's start

443
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: to discuss that a little bit. Let's discuss the themes

444
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: of the show and what we just brought to the show. Obviously,

445
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: this is a story about gen Z breaking out in

446
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: the podcasting space and young creators who are digital natives.

447
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: A lot of the questions we wanted to examine by

448
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: living with these characters were questions of youth and social

449
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: media and creativity and how much that is an influence

450
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Speaker 1: on on everybody today, not just the youth who are

451
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Speaker 1: involved than it, but the older generations whose media and

452
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: culture is being defined by Yeah, I would say, also,

453
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: just to piggyback on what you said, The theme was

454
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Speaker 1: definitely mental health, also youth finding their voice. Although the

455
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: characters are teenagers, I feel like anyone from any generation

456
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: can relate to just young people just finding themselves and

457
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: standing up for what they believe in and just pursuing

458
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: even as adults, just pursuing your craft as whatever you

459
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: want to be an artist, the doctor and architect, just

460
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: having the bravery like these young people who are extremely

461
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: brave and really represented the gen Z generation. I hope

462
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: that it did in the best way. I was really

463
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: inspired by my students at eight to six Boston that

464
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: I work with on their Youth Literary Advisory Board. I

465
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: work very closely with them. I also have the nineteen

466
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Speaker 1: year a brother. He really inspired me as well. And

467
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: of course music inspired me in getting to learn more

468
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: about the amazing lead cast member, the star of the show,

469
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: one of the mini stars, because all of the actors

470
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: and actresses their stars, but Assante Black really tapping into

471
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: who he is as the person to that really inspired me.

472
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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the mental health theme as well,

473
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Speaker 1: and that ties in I think so much to what

474
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Speaker 1: people think of when we have conversations about what social

475
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: media does to people and people get concerned about the youth,

476
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: but you see in the creativity of the on social

477
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: media how much more comfortable they are in that space

478
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Speaker 1: and that bravery and putting themselves out there. Like you said,

479
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of adults who you don't see you

480
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: have that courage I who don't know how to do

481
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: it and aren't comfortable with it. And I think it

482
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Speaker 1: really speaks to the fact that the mental health theme

483
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: as well is it's a universal thing. It's not just

484
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Speaker 1: some new thing because of social media. Um, but you know,

485
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: that's a mental health and dealing with it is a

486
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Speaker 1: pretty universal concern. I want to share myself a little bit.

487
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: The mental health theme was really the one that drew

488
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: me to the show because I have a bipolar diagnosis myself.

489
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: And in the show, as the season came to a close,

490
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: after Reuben kind of breaks all of his rules and

491
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: betray his friends and you know, flies across the country

492
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: on his own, everyone's really freaked out and they wonder

493
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: if it wasn't something like a Manning fit, and they

494
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: start to discuss that as a possible diagnosis, and that

495
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: became really important to me to explore and something I

496
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: hope we get to explore further because frankly, it's not

497
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: something that's been debilitating for me, but I did go

498
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Speaker 1: into the hospital to deal with some mania just a

499
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: few months before we started writing the season and before

500
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit, and so my headspace was very much

501
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: in dealing with this kind of material and working through

502
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: this material. And it's a largely set in Reuben's head.

503
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: He's dealing with a lot of anxiety that was written

504
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: into the story from the first draft. Um So I

505
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: hope that a lot of people, anyone struggling, particularly through

506
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the pandemic here, found some solace in hearing another voice

507
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: of someone who was in there head a lot of

508
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: the time, I'm dealing with working through some psychological stuff

509
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: in order to be able to get back out into

510
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: the world in a boulder and braver way. Although we

511
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: didn't know that we were going to go through a pandemic,

512
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: it ended up being a very resonant thematic arc for

513
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: the character, and I hope that came out absolutely And

514
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: thank you for being vulnerable and sharing that with our listeners,

515
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: because that was something that I feel like midway through

516
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: as we were writing the season, that you did disclose

517
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: to me your personal experiences because that was something that

518
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: I really had to do a lot of research, are,

519
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: like what does one who is living with bipolar disorder?

520
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: And like what I had to do some research on

521
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: my end. And also I definitely the writing process was

522
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: super collaborative, but I was very sensitive to that, and

523
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: I think what you managed to do with sharing that

524
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: part of your personal story was like you humanize the

525
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: experience and how difficult it can be. Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

526
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to be pretty transparent about to

527
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: destigmatize it. And it doesn't have to be a huge thing.

528
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: And some people certainly suffer much more chronically than I

529
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: do with mental health diagnoses. It's just something that I've

530
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: learned to live with as an adult, and I think

531
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: that's something that we all want to be examples of,

532
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: is being able to sort of cope with our conditions

533
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: and show that it doesn't have to preventue from achieving.

534
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I think there was another important thing that we should

535
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: touch on that grew in importance over the season of

536
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: the show, and that was finding a voice for and

537
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: finding a balance in your life for activism and social

538
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: justice issues. I know that over the course of writing

539
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: the show and even over the course of conducting all

540
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: of the interviews that occurred to some degree over the

541
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Memorial Day window of when George Floyd was murdered and

542
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: when there was a large awakening in the country and

543
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: there were a lot of protests, and we had discussions

544
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: around that and how much to incorporate it explicitly into

545
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: the show, because we had already had to make the

546
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: decision early on not to try and write the show

547
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: set in this pandemic quarantine, but to write it for

548
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: a time afterwards when people could say, go back out

549
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: to music shows again, you know. But we wanted to

550
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: honor what was going on in the world and be

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: real and topical. You know. Did you find it was

552
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: difficult to balance at all, like say, doing the interviews

553
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: in terms of being topical and talking about what was

554
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: going on in the world that day, while trying to

555
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: maintain something a little more thematic and universal or I mean,

556
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: you're pretty well experienced in the interview mold and lightness. Yeah. Well,

557
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to be sensitive to what was occurring

558
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: not only in our country but throughout the world, because

559
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: there is still this reckoning and we were just like

560
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: in the midst of it. So even when we think

561
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: about self care and what that means, I am not

562
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: someone when I'm interviewing just focusing on getting the interview done,

563
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: but like connecting with the artists. So number one, I

564
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: had to acknowledge that we were in the midst of

565
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement in a global pandemic. Like

566
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: I really wanted to know how Saint Bodie was doing,

567
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: how Nada Jolie, Like I really wanted to connect with

568
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: the artists, just to break the ice of it and

569
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: just humanize them in that way, just so that we

570
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: can build that rapport and then we can talk about

571
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: the music. So that was just my approach, and it

572
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: was so much going on each day and writing. Some

573
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: parts were very when we started to touch on what

574
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Ruben's mom, what would she say to her black son?

575
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: Those are things that I would say to my brothers.

576
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: Those are fears that I had that my mom has

577
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: in so many moms throughout the world. Yes, it's entertainment.

578
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Yes it's a fictionalized story, but it was also very

579
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: like rooted in the reality that we were in and

580
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: things just evolved as you know, life happened. For sure,

581
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, if mom is another example, like you brought

582
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot of gravity to her voice with that perspective,

583
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: and even in stuff that's not in say the dialogue.

584
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: But when we did a conversation on Instagram live with

585
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: death him mid season for the show, and our host

586
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: was asking us about the parental style that he saw

587
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: displayed when Ruben was fighting with his parents, basically that

588
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: they were being pretty allowing of him sort of mouthing

589
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: off during this discussion and that that was not necessarily

590
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: the norm. And you know, I know that, Like we

591
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: have talked about what is Mom's background, and there was

592
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: some discussed of her being like a professor and having

593
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: an academic background, and I thought that that played into

594
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: some of the sort of openness and permissiveness of dialogue

595
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: in the house and the way that they end up

596
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: having their conversations a little bit. Having that sort of

597
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: intellectualized approach. With most stories that have any kind of

598
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: serialized element or or have any kind of scope, even

599
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: if they're short and concise, it's like an iceberg. You know,

600
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: the contents are just what's above the water, but there's

601
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: so much beneath that is uh backstory and character motivation

602
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: and the stuff that just manifests above and with our season,

603
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: I think you really see it come to fruition with

604
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: the burst out to Viral Villa, and then you see

605
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: it towards the end with their decision to go out

606
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: to the Black Lives Matter protest rally as the sort

607
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: of climactic scene of the finale, once we've switched to

608
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Janelle's perspective and we lose sight of Ruben for the

609
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: first time, you know, and kind of a twist, we've

610
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: been in his head the whole season and then we

611
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: tracked them and it's a bit of a cliffhanger, But

612
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: I also think it's sort of is a button on

613
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: the season because it shows Ruben is still figuring out

614
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: what's safe and what's the danger, but he's out there

615
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: on his own and he's being independent and he's out

616
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: in the world. And there is a little something to

617
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that that shows his progress as a character over the

618
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: course of that season. Where he was so nervous even

619
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: as mask on that he was running away from the

620
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: door in the first few episodes. You know, he was

621
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: out there being reckless. Like anyone can relate to that

622
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: when you are a teenager and your parents are trying

623
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: to shield you. But that is a particular level as

624
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: you get older, of protection and love. So yeah, Ruben

625
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: was just really reckless, and I feel like his mom

626
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: she was for me. I really wanted it to reflect

627
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: the difference of black women, regardless if you're a professor,

628
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: you have education or not. Like, at the end of

629
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the day, you're a black woman. And there were moments

630
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: where mom was like, don't talk back, young man. She

631
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: said it in a different way, but you know what

632
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: inspired Mom's character was like a Claire Hospable, she would

633
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: have that tone. She didn't have to raise her voice,

634
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: but you knew she had that Black mom like don't

635
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: even try it, you will be grounded. So I really

636
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: wanted to capture that. Yeah, I did want to ask

637
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: you a couple of final questions about your experience as

638
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Masks on basically as getting to conduct all of these interviews.

639
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, you talked a little bit about balancing sort

640
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: of topicality and you know, real world issues with keeping

641
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: it thematic and establishment poor. But was it also something

642
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: to balance knowing that you were going to basically be

643
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: overdubbed by the character. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I think

644
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: that was one of the challenging components. There were several

645
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: challenging pieces, but just for me as a music journalists

646
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: and also building that rapport with artists. I'm a woman,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes if you are interviewing men in particular, I'll

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Speaker 1: just be honest. There's a little bit of like it's

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Speaker 1: like super casual, and sometimes they can get flirtatious and friendly. However,

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Speaker 1: that was something that I kept in mind because that

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Speaker 1: it has been my experience in music journalism. So I

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Speaker 1: really just tried to make sure I mean and at

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Speaker 1: the very beginning mentioning that too to the artists that

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Speaker 1: I'm asking the questions, but an actor will be asking them.

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Speaker 1: But I think I did a good job. I would say,

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Speaker 1: I think you did an excellent job as the man

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Speaker 1: who went through the transcripts and selected the sections to

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Speaker 1: to become the full mask on interviews for the episode.

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Speaker 1: I think you did a marvelous job balancing that and

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. You know, we're given again

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Speaker 1: these behind the scenes peaks. Letting the artists know the

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Speaker 1: format of how it's going to be presented within the

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Speaker 1: fictional show. I think probably helped everyone. You have to

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Speaker 1: understand the concept in order to be able to develop

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Speaker 1: the real report you're talking about, you know, so that

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Speaker 1: they weren't surprised by that later. And also another thing

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Speaker 1: that was challenging that was like the relational piece and

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Speaker 1: the interpersonal skills and what it takes the interview, but

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Speaker 1: also making sure that each interview was thematic so that

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Speaker 1: it would fit into each episode, like the particular things

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Speaker 1: that we knew would go into the script. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like we kind of had to go back into

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Speaker 1: the script and like change some things, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to not create more work on the back end. They're

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Speaker 1: all talking about the same thing opening up. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that I still do when I interview artists is like,

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Speaker 1: in your own words, who are you? That is hands

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Speaker 1: down I always ask artists that because in the music industry,

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Speaker 1: labels will try to box you in, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important for artists to define who they are.

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Speaker 1: I want them to be able to name this is

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Speaker 1: who I am. And then we jump into the interviews

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Speaker 1: because I really respect the craft what goes into artists

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Speaker 1: creating their music. That's great. And then my final question

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Speaker 1: for you about the interviews, did you find I guess

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Speaker 1: that what you're saying right now about the theme stuff,

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Speaker 1: what threads did you find in interviewing so many emerging

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Speaker 1: artists for this project? Did you find a particular sort

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Speaker 1: of motif or theme in these interviews? I guess what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is, did you find anything in the answers

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Speaker 1: that became a thread that you were following? Because I

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Speaker 1: really feel like on some of these things we talked about,

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Speaker 1: you really see the interviews blossom and get richer as

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Speaker 1: we go on the season, and it creates this real

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Speaker 1: sense of Reuben evolving as an interviewer within the story

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Speaker 1: that I really loved and think you're a huge part

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Speaker 1: of that. What did you find about interviewing all those

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Speaker 1: emerging artists in a row? I would definitely say being yourself.

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Speaker 1: When we think about a big machine, which is def

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Speaker 1: Jam Records, there's so many historical legends artists that come

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Speaker 1: from that label, and I think it's easy to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like the next Kanye or like the

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Speaker 1: next Tiana Taylor or whoever. And even like naming those

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Speaker 1: two artists who you know are affiliated with def Jam,

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Speaker 1: they are very much who they are, Like there will

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Speaker 1: never be another Kanye and I feel like these artists

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Speaker 1: really mimic that they were just like authentic raw and

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Speaker 1: they were emerging artists. And I think that's the beauty

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Speaker 1: about the heir Comes to Break podcasts. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not breaking the artists. But I feel like what

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to capture in the interviews is that

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Speaker 1: we weren't asking the same questions that they would be

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Speaker 1: asked on another platform, on a radio show or whatever,

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Speaker 1: that our listeners would walk away with getting to know them.

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Speaker 1: And they were really concerned about in vocal about what

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Speaker 1: social justice meant to them, and like how they were

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Speaker 1: dealing with the pandemic, and they were extremely authentic. But

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Speaker 1: I think the one theme is like be yourself, whatever

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Speaker 1: you're gonna do, do you and pursue that. I think

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Speaker 1: that they're doing that in such beautiful ways. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the artists I wasn't from you're with their music

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Speaker 1: before a particular interview. I'm the lasting their music in

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Speaker 1: my house so I can really get to know them,

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Speaker 1: listen to their lyrics. I can ask questions about a

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Speaker 1: song or an album title and also align it with

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Speaker 1: the story. And here goings to Break. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: way to do it well, I think for yourself is

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Speaker 1: a great note to end on. Great theme from the

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Speaker 1: interviews and a great theme for the season. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for taking the time to have a little conversation

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Speaker 1: about the behind the scenes, and again it's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: And that's a wrap on this season of Here Comes

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Speaker 1: the Break to all of you aspiring creatives out there

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Speaker 1: of any age, and we hope these conversations about the

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Speaker 1: making of the show have brought you some excitement and

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Speaker 1: insight into the creative process and special final shout out

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Speaker 1: to everyone who made Here Comes to Break possible. Listen

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Speaker 1: up for those names one last time in the credits, Peace, love,

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Speaker 1: and remember to be yourself. Here Comes to Break is

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Speaker 1: produced by Double Elvis and partnership with I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: Executive duced by Deaf Jam Recordings Executive produced by and

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Speaker 1: plays Janelle, Bobby cs is Marco, Christopher V. Edwards as Dad,

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Speaker 1: Raymie Cornell is Mom, and Taylor Bettenson. Written by Taylor

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Speaker 1: Bettenson and the Kia Hill Artist interviews conducted by Nikia Hill,

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Speaker 1: directed by Christopher V. Edwards. Mixed and edited by Matt

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Speaker 1: ta Hainey, Sound recording by Colin Fleming, Music Elements and

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Speaker 1: production by Ryan Spreaker. Additional production support by Jamie Dimons.

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jake Brennan and Brady Sadler for Double

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Speaker 1: Elvis Special thanks to Rain Rosenbaum, Shelby Shankman, Sarah Kani

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Speaker 1: Merrissa Pizarro, Gabriel to Serrierio, Jessica Manarino and Nya Fleming

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Speaker 1: at Deaf Jam Recordings and Conald Burne, Carrie Lieberman, Will Pearson,

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown and the entire I Hurt Media team to

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Speaker 1: hear bonus content, meet the cast, and go behind the

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