WEBVTT - Willpower

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind. My name is Robert lamp and I'm Julie Douglas,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is our first recorded episode back from the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas New Year's e break. You're gonna be getting this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know a little later in January, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>our the first episode we're recording of the New year.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to ask, Julie, what did you get

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas? Thank you for asking. I got an accordion?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa button accordion? Now? What? Now? What is a button accordion?

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<v Speaker 1>Because with accordions I tend to picture like there's that

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<v Speaker 1>little the little deal that you see hoboes and monkeys playing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's like the big, honking like weird Ari

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<v Speaker 1>Yankovic Polish Grandfather model. It's sort between those two. Cost

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<v Speaker 1>wise to you, by the way, I'm telling you this

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy. With accordions, they're either like they just go

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<v Speaker 1>up super high. So of course the model I have

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<v Speaker 1>is a reasonable dollar amount, um. But as a result

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<v Speaker 1>is the button one, and it's actually simpler and um.

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<v Speaker 1>The button one has buttons instead of keyboards on one side,

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<v Speaker 1>but it still has that delicious sound that it makes

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<v Speaker 1>when it's you know, um exhaling and inhaling air. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I do. You have a history with with this

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<v Speaker 1>versus a new endeavor that you're setting out on. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been obsessed with them, and um, I always

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<v Speaker 1>wanted one, and my my husband finally said, hey, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of the things I wasn't gonna go I

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<v Speaker 1>and buy for myself. Right, But what does this mean

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<v Speaker 1>for me? Yes, okay, it means that, Um, not only

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<v Speaker 1>do I need to learn how to do you know

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<v Speaker 1>these great polka songs that I have to um, sit

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<v Speaker 1>down with a book and learn how to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to use some self control, some willpower. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the at this time of year that's on

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's mind because New Year's I mean everybody's thinking what

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<v Speaker 1>am I going to do with my New Year? What's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be different this time? Um? You know, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are some people maybe thinking, oh, can I have

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<v Speaker 1>a little more. I knew where I stood in twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what was going on. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>stick with that. Well, you can't new year, new things

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<v Speaker 1>going on, So we inevitably end up thinking about things

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<v Speaker 1>we can change. What are we going to do differently?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and and ultimately we have to face the

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<v Speaker 1>question do we have the the the stick with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have the willpower? Do we have the grit,

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<v Speaker 1>the grit to really make it happen? Do I have

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<v Speaker 1>the grit to poka? Yeah? And I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>you do? I think? I think? I think so too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. You know, if if I get decent at it,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll play for you guys. That would be awesome

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<v Speaker 1>in two years. Well, now now that everyone's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be be wanting and wanting, if they're gonna ride in

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna say when is you? Theyre going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the accordion on the part I know. And you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>don't encourage me because I'll just do it every single

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and you'll be like why uh, But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this is something I really want to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>so right there there's some motivation, but it turns up

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<v Speaker 1>that's not going to be enough. It's not. No. I

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<v Speaker 1>need to bear down and figure out what willpower is

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<v Speaker 1>and how I can game it. And in order to

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<v Speaker 1>do so, we need to look at willpower and and

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<v Speaker 1>try to get at the bottom of it, scratch at it.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the ways that we can do that

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<v Speaker 1>is we can look towards the American Psychological Association and

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<v Speaker 1>they define willpower as the ability to delay gratification, resisting

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<v Speaker 1>short term temptations in order to meet long term goals.

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<v Speaker 1>The capacity to override an unwanted thought, feeling, or impulse.

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<v Speaker 1>So clearly, if I'm trying to play, I cannot listen

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<v Speaker 1>to my body if it says it has to get

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<v Speaker 1>up and go use the restroom. Right, if that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable for right? Um, the ability to employ a cool

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive system of behavior rather than a hot emotional system.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't like go crazy with the according and

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm angry and I'm not doing well and like

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<v Speaker 1>smash it to smithereens right, I got to stay the course. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a limited resource capable of being depleted. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is not something that I should probably undertake after

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<v Speaker 1>a day of crunching numbers, making big decisions. Um. Being

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<v Speaker 1>mentally fatigued. Yeah, this may remind some people of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole the whole idea of of ego depletion and decision

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<v Speaker 1>fatigue that we've touched on a number of times, and

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<v Speaker 1>and that the research into decision fatigue really stems from

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<v Speaker 1>research into willpower and temptation and and and we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into more of that as as we us as we

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<v Speaker 1>moved through this this podcast. But you know, at this

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<v Speaker 1>time of year, I find like the the easiest models

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<v Speaker 1>that people tend to go to for understanding willpower. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to do I have the will to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and do something I don't want to do? Exercise?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have the will to resist doing something I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to eat? Chocolate or junk food? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>right now that in in our brake room somebody brought

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<v Speaker 1>in a big hanking box of like gourmet chocolates. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're Harry's chocolates or something. Yeah yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>and and I know exactly what they were doing. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I must get rid of this. The temptation is too

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<v Speaker 1>great for me to eat all of these. So they

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<v Speaker 1>brought them into the break room, dumped them, and just

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<v Speaker 1>let everyone have at it. But the thing about those

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<v Speaker 1>chocolates I have to at this point is that they've

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<v Speaker 1>probably been sitting there for six days. No, no, they've

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<v Speaker 1>been sitting there two days, only two days. Yeah, okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you that because no, okay, because I I

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<v Speaker 1>considered having a bite, and then I thought, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what if it's just like the other stuff, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>out for a while. Yeah, I put them there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I keep I keep sneaking them back into into his office,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think he was just thrown away first. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I started like mashing them into the keyboard a little,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he had to dig him out with his fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the end of it, he's so covered with

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<v Speaker 1>the chocolate. He just gives into the temptation. There you go. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know a lot of this, this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like especially with chocolate things, things like chocolate. We've we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed this before. It's something that our body wants and

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<v Speaker 1>our body needs. And in a simpler time it would

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<v Speaker 1>be harder to get that candy sugar rush. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>live in an age where you can pretty much eat

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<v Speaker 1>all the sugar you can possibly stand and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then our bodies have to pay the price for that.

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<v Speaker 1>So temptation is uh. We see it in other animals

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<v Speaker 1>as well, as we'll discuss. But there's there's something distinctly

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<v Speaker 1>human about so much of this idea of temptation and

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<v Speaker 1>willpower about all right, In a simple sense, our body

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<v Speaker 1>is wanting something that our mind knows we shouldn't have. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed the body mind connection in previous episodes, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all know that it's a little more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated than that. We're not just this brain creature living

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<v Speaker 1>in this flesh body creature. If we look back at

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<v Speaker 1>some of the philosophy of willpower and choice, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look back at the words of Plato, Plato argued that

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<v Speaker 1>the human experience is one of constant struggle between the

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<v Speaker 1>intellect and the body, between rationality and desire. So along

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<v Speaker 1>those lines of truth, freedom is only available when willpower

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<v Speaker 1>unchanges from bodily emotional, instinctual slavery. So okay, well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's I think it's one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that is the tradeoff of having um, you know, highly

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<v Speaker 1>complex exprain. Right, is that these are all these sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of things will present themselves as temptations to as humans,

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<v Speaker 1>probably more so than other species. Right. And what did

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar while to say about temptation? He said, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is from Roy and Gray, and this is the character

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<v Speaker 1>in that book, a hedonistic character that shows up says

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to get rid of temptation is to

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<v Speaker 1>yield to it, resist it, and your soul grows sick

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<v Speaker 1>with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a bit of truth to that. It's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Platonic model and then this Oscar Wild model,

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better description, there's the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>will power is the victory of the mind over the body,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a very it's a winnable thing if you're

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough and you're you have enough fortitude. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's this Wild model where it's ultimately this hopeless battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can think. You may think you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>defeat the chocolate. You may think you're gonna start going

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<v Speaker 1>to yoga or spin class every you know, three days

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<v Speaker 1>a week or whatever your your January first plan is.

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, by the end of January, you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>facing a different story. Now this is jumping ahead a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about we're going to discuss, but it would

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting to look back at Klato's childhood and Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>Wild and see the amount of stability in each of

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<v Speaker 1>their childhood's and whether or not it was a good

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<v Speaker 1>predictor of their own ability to self control. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about willpower across species, because this is interesting. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we as we mentioned, certainly humans have it

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<v Speaker 1>more complex than any other creature because we have this

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<v Speaker 1>this culture and these all these ideas about what we

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<v Speaker 1>need to do, and we're we're more self conscious in

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<v Speaker 1>a very real way. But we have performed experiments to

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<v Speaker 1>see if if willpower is exerted elsewhere in the animal kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>So it turns out studies have shown that that dogs

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<v Speaker 1>can resist temptation. Chimpanzees can distract themselves from sweets with

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<v Speaker 1>other objects, which is particularly interesting because some people do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They try and just like, don't think about the chocolates

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<v Speaker 1>in the brake room. Instead, let's focus on work. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>buffle down, or let's listen to some music or I'm

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something to distract me from the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the temptation is there. You don't want to go and

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<v Speaker 1>bring the chocolate to your desk because then it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be even harder. Yeah, mentally, out of sight, out

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. And it's also been found that, like the dog,

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<v Speaker 1>dogs can resist temptation with a little extra glucose, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into the glucose connection to all this

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But but that's again something we've touched on

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<v Speaker 1>when we've discussed a decision fatigue, the idea that you

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<v Speaker 1>can take some glucose and then that will give you

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<v Speaker 1>a boost that you need. Yeah, that's right, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a finite amount of mental resources and they

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<v Speaker 1>are often taxed when you are hungry and fatigued, and

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<v Speaker 1>so giving yourself a shot of glucose is a nice

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<v Speaker 1>way to bolster your self control. Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>keep thinking of a video game model for all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, where you're playing a video game and there's

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe there's like a life meter that fills up

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<v Speaker 1>and depletes a little as you're injured, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a stamina meter that depletes as your character runs

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<v Speaker 1>around in the game world, and ultimately a that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way it is in the real world. You have these

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<v Speaker 1>finite resources that you use throughout the day, be it

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<v Speaker 1>physical energy or this emotional intellectual energy, this ego, this

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive load, and different things will take a notch out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So in the same way that your life

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<v Speaker 1>depletes every time a Goblin statue in the gut with

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<v Speaker 1>a sword. Every time you have to deal with a

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<v Speaker 1>really lofty decision or small decision, or just resisting the

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate that's in the brake room, it depletes your your

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<v Speaker 1>willpower meet just a little more. And if that thing

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<v Speaker 1>bottoms out, then you're eating chocolate. Well, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting too. Um. In the article that you

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<v Speaker 1>wrote how willpower Works, you talked about how they are

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<v Speaker 1>different parts of the brain that respond to willpower into temptation,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a couple of different parts of the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>One is called the ventro medial prefrontal cortex and this

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<v Speaker 1>is just behind the forehead. What we see is that

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<v Speaker 1>when people are choosing between sweets and health food, for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this was a two thousand and nine Celtech

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<v Speaker 1>study that you talked about. Um, theo who held out

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<v Speaker 1>against temptation. We're processing in this venture medial prefrontal cortex,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were also processing in something called the Dorso

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<v Speaker 1>lateral prefrontal cortex. And it thought that this Dorset lateral

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<v Speaker 1>prefrontal cortex allows the venture medial prefrontal cortex to weigh

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<v Speaker 1>both taste and health benefits. At this very same time

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the test subjects who had low self control,

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<v Speaker 1>who were only making value judgments with the help of

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<v Speaker 1>the venture medial prefrontal cortex. So there's this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>people can differ with self control possibly because of this

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<v Speaker 1>greater use of the dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we need more studies like this to really try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out whether or not these people are have just

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<v Speaker 1>become more adept at exercising self control and as a

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<v Speaker 1>result they're using dorsal lateral more, or if they are

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<v Speaker 1>inherently more muscled up in that area. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about what it wears down again the

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<v Speaker 1>think of the video game, think of the life meter

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<v Speaker 1>of the stamina meter, and now think of these two

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<v Speaker 1>other meters, cognitive load and ego depletion. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive capacity on one meter and then you have ego

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<v Speaker 1>on the other. First, we're gonna talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about cognitive capacity and cognitive load. All right, Cognitive capacity

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<v Speaker 1>basically affects our ability to hold out against temptation. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's essential and working memory, which we use when resisting temptation.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it's something we use when stay holding a

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<v Speaker 1>string of numbers in our heads. And this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets really fascinating. There was a study

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Iowa, specifically Professor A. Bob A. Shift,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found that people task with remembering a two

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<v Speaker 1>digit number held out better against temptation than people remembering

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<v Speaker 1>a seven digit number when tempted with chocolate cake. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so again, there people are walking down the hall somebody

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<v Speaker 1>comes out and says, all right, this is the number

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<v Speaker 1>you need to remember. You remember the number twelve. You

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<v Speaker 1>you're remembering the number. You know seven, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a million, wasn't it a million and something? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And nine? One? Two? Yeah, that sounds good. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>remember that. And then they walk a little further down

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<v Speaker 1>the hallway and then somebody comes out with a big

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate cake. You know, it's Cindy's birthday in the office.

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<v Speaker 1>Here have some cake. And then you have to continue.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at the end of the hallway, see if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember those numbers that were given to you. So

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here is that if if you distract the

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<v Speaker 1>brain with a more difficult task memorizing seven instead of two,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes harder for the participant in the study to

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<v Speaker 1>make a healthy food choice, you're having to hold seven

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<v Speaker 1>numerals in your head. Your cognitive capacity is depleted enough

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<v Speaker 1>to wear that chocolate cake may just do you in.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas if you're only having to remember too, then your

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<v Speaker 1>meter is less depleted and therefore you may be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take the punch, take the hit of resisting that

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate cake. So that's why I think ego depletion also

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<v Speaker 1>comes in because it's a nice sort of counterpart to this. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this before. Roy F. Baumeister, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>psychology us at Florida State University, and he's done quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of work on ego depletion. And here's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good example of how he proves its existence. He

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<v Speaker 1>had students sit down next to a plate of freshly

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<v Speaker 1>baked chocolate chip cookies. Okay, so imagine the smells wafting

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<v Speaker 1>into your nose. Some were allowed to snack away and

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<v Speaker 1>others were ordered to abstain from the cookies. And afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>both groups were asked to complete difficult puzzles. So it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that the students who had been forced to

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<v Speaker 1>resist the cookies had so depleted their reserves of self

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<v Speaker 1>control and trying to do that that when they were

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<v Speaker 1>faced with this task, this puzzle, they quickly threw in

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<v Speaker 1>the towel, whereas their cookie chomping counterparts were able to

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<v Speaker 1>conserve their willpower and work on that puzzle. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing here is the finite mental resources and

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<v Speaker 1>how to use them best. And this, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this also gives me a lot of insight into

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<v Speaker 1>how I work. Like I find we have a fair

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<v Speaker 1>fairly nice teleworking policy at work, which means, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can work from home or from a coffee shop

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And I enjoy working from the actual house

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but I can't do it all the

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<v Speaker 1>time because there's just so many temptations I have to resist.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're not all like bad. It's not just like

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<v Speaker 1>should I drink alcohol at nine am? I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, Or should I just sleep all day?

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<v Speaker 1>Not that kind of thing, but biscuit, isn't it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's that there's like should I go check on the

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<v Speaker 1>cat and then and then in the afternoons when the

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<v Speaker 1>cat is running wild and and that's also competing for

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<v Speaker 1>my attention or you know, temptations to to walk around,

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<v Speaker 1>temptations to go ahead and have lunch a little early,

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<v Speaker 1>temptations to to go and turn on the TV for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute or something. You know, They're just all these

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<v Speaker 1>things that I could do, and I'm having to resist

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<v Speaker 1>all of them, and it kind of builds up. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I put myself in a and say the workspace

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<v Speaker 1>here at work, or in a limited space like a

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<v Speaker 1>coffee shop, then I can focus more on the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>When I'm at work, it's harder for me to concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>because there are people round and I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to them, and so it takes more willpower for

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<v Speaker 1>me to bout down the hatches and really focus, Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm working from home, then I just turned up

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<v Speaker 1>the music, um, really loud, and then just sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and focus and blaze through. But again we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>distractions here to say nothing about the Internet, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that, yeah, that comes with its own

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<v Speaker 1>set of rules, right, Um, all right, So how do

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<v Speaker 1>you bolster it right? How do you make willpower become

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<v Speaker 1>more central to what you're trying to accomplish. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>called closing the loop or the Zigarnic effect. Really interesting. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who are sci fi fans and

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<v Speaker 1>you've cut the movie Looper, there's closing the loop in

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<v Speaker 1>that movie, which involves killing your future self when your

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<v Speaker 1>future self is sent back in time to your past self.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of complicated but also kind of cool. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is that there is a loop that is closed,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that just closes the book on you as

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<v Speaker 1>a time travel into wind hit Man, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>is a sort of similar thing. The idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>we create these these various open loops in our life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that The example that comes to mind and solely

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<v Speaker 1>to me, is that I'm telling somebody about a movie

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<v Speaker 1>or a book that I really dig, and I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring in a copy of knowledge of borrow it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if I don't do that, if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>bring in the copy of that book or that that movie,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it happens to be, then that's always on

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. I'm thinking, Oh, I was going to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in a copy of this novel for Matt to read,

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<v Speaker 1>and I forgot to bring it. And so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing that enters my mind every time I see

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<v Speaker 1>or think of that person. Well, and I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>good example of my friend Maria. I finally wrote her back. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's been a couple of months. She lives in Germany, moved,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't have a chance to talk to her

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<v Speaker 1>as often two months to to email her. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>is because she writes this beautiful like eighteenth century missives

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<v Speaker 1>that are like very intelligent and thoughtful. Once I always

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I really need to give her something back

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<v Speaker 1>that email. This this email, although saying eighteen century missis

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<v Speaker 1>was no. No. But here's the thing. For the past

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<v Speaker 1>two months, nearly every day I thought, I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>write Maria, write Maria. And what we're talking about again

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<v Speaker 1>is my brain trying to close the loop, my unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>serving up thoughts to my conscious self to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to do this. In the Zigarenic effect, this

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<v Speaker 1>closing the loop actually has its roots in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties at the University of Germany. The reason it's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Zigarnic effect is because one of those students was

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<v Speaker 1>very intrigued by this experience she and how other students

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<v Speaker 1>had when they went to a restaurant and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a large group of them and the waiter took their order,

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<v Speaker 1>but never wrote anything down, and he delivered every single

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<v Speaker 1>order to every single person. He matched the order to

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<v Speaker 1>the face. Um. She went back later because she had

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<v Speaker 1>left something behind, or rather one of the students did,

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<v Speaker 1>and that waiter looked at her blankly and did not

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<v Speaker 1>recognize or did not know what group she was talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>had absolutely no memory. And she was amazed, and so

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<v Speaker 1>how could you so quickly forget me but have remembered

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<v Speaker 1>all the detail orders of this large group of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, oh, well, once I you know, once

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<v Speaker 1>the order is delivered, I don't have a memory of

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<v Speaker 1>anything anymore that has to do with that or to

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<v Speaker 1>clear out that that bit of cognitive space. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>bloomas Arnick, the student in her mentor said, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if human memory makes a distinction between finished

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<v Speaker 1>and unfinished tasks. And so their research, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>decades of other pure research, resulted in what they called

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<v Speaker 1>this like arnic effect that says, yes, indeed, the unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>mind is like a small child kind of uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there and tugging at the sleeve of the adult,

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<v Speaker 1>the conscious saying, hey, you need to really pay attention

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<v Speaker 1>to this. And so the idea is that self control

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<v Speaker 1>comes into play when the nagging thought is met with

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<v Speaker 1>an action plan and you can then begin to close

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<v Speaker 1>the loop. So this is one of those things in

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<v Speaker 1>your own life. It's kind of you just have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the action plan, the the step to take

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<v Speaker 1>that will continue to close the loop. Because if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of loops open, you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>is first of all, I'm going to be depleting your

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<v Speaker 1>mental resources right right um. And second of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a very distinct action plan to try

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<v Speaker 1>to close it in order to take that action. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it really drives home why checklist like checking

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<v Speaker 1>things off of on a like a daily checklist. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be such a satisfying experience to some people more

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<v Speaker 1>than others. But like my wife is someone who likes checklists,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's mentioned before how it gives her pleasure to

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<v Speaker 1>check things off because with each check you are closing

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<v Speaker 1>a loop. Like in doing out a bag, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>getting lighter and lighter as you finish up each little project.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's where I think it's really interesting. Even with

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<v Speaker 1>a checklist, you have to be super specific because what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here is psychology right. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>write down on your check list, talk to Maria, right Maria,

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<v Speaker 1>or consult with Maria. That's not specific enough, email Maria,

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 1>or if you don't have her email address, get Maria's

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<v Speaker 1>email address. So you have to tell your brain very

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<v Speaker 1>specifically what to do or it wants to skip over

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<v Speaker 1>those things. There's a really interesting article about that in

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<v Speaker 1>UM Mental Floss this month that talks about this this

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<v Speaker 1>ability to try to close that loop. And they used

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Carey as an example because here, yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>he actually sought out UM experts in this and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out how he could organize himself best. Huh. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>And I imagine Mental Floss was bringing this up because

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<v Speaker 1>of New Year's because of resolutions, because when and because

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things you everyone is really piping about

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<v Speaker 1>is that you need to make a specific resolution. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>say this is the year I get in shape. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you going to get in shape? And then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's make some realistic, achievable goals towards that end,

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<v Speaker 1>not just I'm gonna go to the gym more, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how many times the weeks you canna go to the gym?

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<v Speaker 1>Or what are you gonna what's your plan? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna try and do? Like, maybe the plan is

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<v Speaker 1>as simple as I'm going to go in this month

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<v Speaker 1>and get a health evaluation, or if you're a little

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<v Speaker 1>more advanced than that, you could say, well, I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to this spin class I've been going to,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna go three times a week, like I

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<v Speaker 1>know I should that kind of thing, right, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that old maximum how do you eat

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<v Speaker 1>an elephant one bite at a time? I've never heard that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it because it's descriptive. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>depressing to me. Yeah, and plus you're going to run

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<v Speaker 1>through the choice needs pretty fast and then you're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be eating like elephant elbow and gristle. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>snow fun snow to tail though it's pretty popular these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Um alright, so enough of food trends. Um, what's another

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<v Speaker 1>way to bolster it? Uh? Well, we talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit with um the animals distracting yourself from

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and this actually has its roots in a

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<v Speaker 1>study called the Marshmallows Study, very famous study from the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties where psychologist Walter Mitchell devised and experiment using marshmallows, cookies,

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<v Speaker 1>and pretzel sticks to test four year old self control. Okay, well,

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>you know we're talking a lot about marshmallows and sweets now,

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and I know this chocolate in the breaker, and so

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into that anymore, I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>need to take a quick break and I need to

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>go chocolate. And then when we get back, we'll really

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<v Speaker 1>get going with this idea of the childhood mind, childhood

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<v Speaker 1>willpower versus the uh seemingly insurmountable temptation that is the marshmallow.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. So we were talking about marshmallows.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about children, were talking about temptation and willpower,

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>about the depletable resource that is our willpower, and all

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the studies that have gone into it. That's right, little

0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>fluffy marshmallows. Um. This is the thing that Walter Mitchell,

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the psychologist in the nineteen sixties used to tempt kids

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>four year olds. He told the kids that they could

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>either eat one treat right away, or if they were

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>willing to wait while he stepped out for a few minutes,

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they could have two treats when he returned. So this

0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>is just classic short term payoff versus well, not even

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>long term payoff, but slightly less short term payoff. I

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>can either eat one delicious marshmallow now or I can

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>have two later. And this is a very simplistic model,

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<v Speaker 1>but it matches up so well with everything else we

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<v Speaker 1>do in our lives. It's like, can I have the

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>short term reward of not working out right now, or

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>can I have the long term reward of being in

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<v Speaker 1>better shape, the short term reward of eating as much

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Chinese food as I can possibly stuff in my body,

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>or the long term reward of not being dead. It's

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<v Speaker 1>true because if you think this is way too simplistific

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of an experiment, yes, just as you brought up, you know,

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>think about that example, your four year old self and

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>then you're forty year old self is met with the

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.199
<v Speaker 1>same sort of challenges in a different form. Um He

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 1>found out, uh, the psychologist Walter Mitchell found out that

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>those who buckled after just thirty seconds didn't have the

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 1>same coping behavior as those kids who held out. And

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>these high self controllers used something called strategic allocation of attention.

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>In other words, they sang songs um, they untied and

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:22.120
<v Speaker 1>retied their shoelaces, they covered their eyes, they played hide

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and seek with the treats on the table. Um basically

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>anything to try to divert their attention from the thing

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that they wanted. And when I think back to those

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>studies on animals in self control, the one about the

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>chimpanzees really stands out because they were essentially doing the

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.639
<v Speaker 1>same thing. They had four adult chimpanzees. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seventh study from Georgia State University, and

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 1>what they did is they had a candy dispenser that

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<v Speaker 1>would um just flow candy for like thirty seconds unless

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the chimpanzees put their hands in front of it that

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>would stop the flow. So they quickly learned that if

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>they reached for it, that would stop and they wouldn't

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 1>get as much candy. So with one group of the

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>chimps they gave they gave them um magazines and something

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 1>like rubber tubes and a toothbrush okay uh. And then

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the other group they didn't give them anything. And what

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>they found is that the ones that were given these

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.959
<v Speaker 1>what they called toys these magazines, would flip through the magazines,

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>look at the pictures, and by the way. Entertainment Weekly

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>was one of the magazines. Also some food and wine

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>circulars from Atlanta restaurants, So this is not entirely intriguing

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff to a chimp, but nonetheless those are the ones

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that would help hold out for something like longer, which

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>is pretty significant from six minutes to twelve minutes, and

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to reach for that candy. Well, you know, again,

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I guess just the idea that every time you even

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 1>glance at that slice of chocolate cake, you're depleting the

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>wheel power, Like it's just a little more willpower that

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you're having to use not to go eat it. So

0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>if you cannot look at the chocolate cake and it's

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 1>look at Entertainment Weekly, then all the better, unless you

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>happen to run across the full page at for well,

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you're just hoast you might as well reach

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>for it. Um. So it just it brings up a

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of interesting questions about whether or not self control

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>is something that is innate or is it something that

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is in our environment. And again this marshmallow study has

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.479
<v Speaker 1>even more um importance when you look at it in

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 1>terms of our environment, because in two thousand and twelve

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>researchers at the University of Rochester took this study and

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>they kind of turned it on its head, this Marshmallow

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 1>study by looking at the relationship to the reward in

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the circumstances under which it was presented, and how that

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:43.360
<v Speaker 1>could affect self controlling kids. And again in kids. It's

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>really important to do this with because we again we

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>begin to see that children exercising self control ages three

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 1>and four, we'll sort of predict how they're going to

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 1>react in their later years and we'll talk more about that. Um.

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:00.040
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to get sort of at the the

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the fluff of the marshatflow study here. UM. What they

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>did is they had researchers bring out these trades of

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was just like crayons or something like

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 1>a jar of crayons, and they said, okay, kid, um,

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I have like an awesome amount of crayons and markers

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in the other room. But if you can just hang

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>on and not use these and wait until I get back,

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you will get the awesome set of crayons markers. And

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>so for half of the kids they brought back the

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>awesome crowns markers, they got the reward because they sat

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>there and they waited. They sat there in didn't color,

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't create art, and waited for better tools to be

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.239
<v Speaker 1>brought to them exactly, and then they started doing it.

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>The other kids got punked. The researchers came back and said,

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find it. Okay, So what are they doing here?

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>They are setting up circumstances for this reliability or unreliability

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>with the researcher. There's a lesson here. One group is learning, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you when adult tells you that he'll bring you here,

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>she'll bring you more markers if you don't use the

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>ones you have, listen to because we'll probably get more markers.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And the other team it's like you said, they're getting burned.

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>They're realizing, oh man, adults are awful. They did I

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to get more. I could have been coloring

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>this whole time instead of holding out for markers. They're

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna never kind of come. This is awful. Innostances shattered.

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like Woody Allen kid, by the way, But this

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>inner dialogue, though I would say there's an important lesson there,

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like, don't It's kind of like I'm going to

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>hold off on creating art. Until I'm really good at

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>it kind of a thing. But that's just me reading

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>too much, you know. It's like, no, you don't hold off.

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Don't you have better tools? Work with the tools you have,

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and then you can get better tools. But anyway, well,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>here's where the marshmallow comes into play. Because now that

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>they've set up these circumstances, the researchers bring out the marshmallow, right,

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and they're rolling out the basic, the classic marshmallow test.

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Here's one marshmallow, eat it now, and that's great. But

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>if you can hold off eating this marshmallow, you'll get

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>two marshmallows and then you can eat those. Okay, So

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the kids got screwed in the art project experiment. They

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<v Speaker 1>buckled after just three minutes while waiting for that second marshmallow,

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>because I already learned you can't trust these people. They're

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to bring markers. They're probably not going to

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>bring me that second marshmallow. I might as well eat

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>this marshmallow now and then color a bunch of stuffy

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>limited number of markers. That's right. Wow, these kids are

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're they're angry. The second set of kids,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>once that were rewarded and not punked. They waited for

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>twelve minutes, four times longer. Okay, And the video of

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>this is great because the kids are so like they

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>want that marshmallow. It's sitting right in front of them.

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>They're using their like sixty color sets that they've already won,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're like they're painting pictures of Marsha. Actually at

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>this point they've they've taken all that away, so it's

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>just the marshmallow that they're staring down and their little

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>feet are just going crazy on the ground and they're

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>just like their knees are going up and down and

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>they're trying not to eat it. They're turning it up

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>the side down, looking at it everything not to eat it.

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>But this is really important because, as the studies lead

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>author says, this is the last kids. She says, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are used to getting things taken away from you,

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>not waiting is the rational choice. And she said that

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>it occurred to her that the marshmallow tasking might be

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>correlated with something else that the child already knows, like

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>having a stable environment. Okay, So this is really important

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>because now it becomes this question of well, how much

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>does the environment have to do? How much does upbringing

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>have to do with as opposed to genetics, um, because

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone like my husband has incredible self control,

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and I've always thought about it in genetic terms, but

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>who knows. As a kid, maybe he could always know

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>that the reward was actually in sight, as opposed to

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>thinking out, well, I don't know what the carpet might

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>be pulled out from under me again. Or he's a Jedi,

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>because the way've described it sounds like he has like

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Jedi like turn it off abilities. He does, he doesn't,

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't understand why the people can't Vetian. Wasn't that

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the thing? We're like, I've made this, this this choice,

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not gonna eat me anymore. It's just just

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be vega that. And then we quit drinking like

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>seven months ago and for him and was like, whatever,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>flip the switch. So okay. Then there's a question of heredity,

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and now we don't have a lot of data on that.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>There's some information from Edinburgh's university study that looked at

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred sets of identical and non identical twins to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how they differed, and they found that the

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>identical twins were twice as likely as non identical twins

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>to share the same personality traits, suggesting that DNA might

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have had something to do with the way that they

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>go about their day. Lead researcher Professor Timothy Bates said

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that the biggest factor they found with self control, and

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>there was a big genetic difference in people's ability to

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>restrain themselves and persist with things when they got difficult

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and re out to challenges in a positive way. Now

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that being said, um again, you can't just look solely

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>at genetics and say that that's the thing right there,

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the reason why a person has some uh self

0:32:48.680 --> 0:32:51.719
<v Speaker 1>control or doesn't. And I wanted to bring this up

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>because there's a New York Times article called Genetics and

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Crime and it talks about self control and genetics. And

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Terry Moffatt, who's a heavioral scientists Duke University, says that

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>knowing something is inherited does not in any way tell

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>us anything about whether changing the environment will improve it.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>For example, self control with a lot like height, it

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>varies widely. The human population is highly heritable, but if

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>effective interventions such as better nutrition is applied to the

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>whole population, that everyone gets taller than the last generation.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>And I keep coming back to the whole mind body connection.

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>You know. You look at the platonic idea that it's

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it's intellect versus the base demands of the body and uh.

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>And then we look at how glucose, you know, the

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>simple sugar that we find naturally in various plants. How

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that energizes body and brain and gives us this extra

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>booster resolve. It's like the power up in the video game.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Oh, I'm about to be defeated about the

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>chocolate cake, and then I then I reach over here

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and get this this glucose power up, and now I

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>can resist it a little more or be you know,

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>remain more focused on the task at hand. That kind

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>of thing. You fall into, this this trap though of

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking of it in terms of like purely a body

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>uh type of situation. You end up reading that quote

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.479
<v Speaker 1>from Moscow Wild and thinking, well, I guess he's right.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's no defeating the chocolate cake in the

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>long term. If you're locked in a room with it,

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna wind up in your belly. But there is

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>an interesting study that we ran across. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford University. From Gregory and Walton and Carol Dweck, who

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to discuss a little more in a bed.

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.879
<v Speaker 1>They looked at how belief system plays into it, and

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>they found that it did play a vital role in

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>how long willpower holds out against desserts and indicaence. So

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 1>what they found in their study was that you had

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>individuals who were very informed about how willpower supposedly works

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and the end and very much on board with the

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>idea that there is a finite amount of it. They

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>did run out eventually and then they're just gonna have

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>to eat that cake. And then they also looked at

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>people who didn't believe this, that this wasn't part of

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>their view of the world and themselves that adhered to

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>an idea that that willpower was infinite, that there, that

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>it would never run out, that it could never run out,

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um, And you can sort of draw various

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>examples from your own life about what what who fits

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>into what category, you know, but just think of, like

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like a really positive person who's like, yeah,

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna quit smoking and then they're they're done

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>with it, you know, or they think they're done with it.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 1>That they believe that willpower is and maybe this is

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>some insight into the way her husband's mind. Maybe he

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't see himself as having a finite amount of willpower.

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>What's fascinating here, and what the researchers found out is

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>that people who felt that the resolve was limitless were

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>able to press on, wearied but relentless against the chocolate

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>cake or what have you. So, so that's a little

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>little it's kind of like a mind of her body

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>situation there. It's interesting because Carol Dweck does she does

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>talk a lot about belief systems shaping kids to write. Um,

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>so when you think about a kid being labeled as

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>something right, as being smart or having a lot of willpower,

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, what does that do to them psychologically? And

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to bring up a study of one baby

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>is born in ninety two in a New Zealand town. Again,

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Terry Moffatt talks about this, and she reports that the

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>less self control a child displayed at three years of age,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>more likely he or she was to commit a crime

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>more than thirty years later. In fact, we're talking about

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>forty three percent of the children who scored in the

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>lowest fifth on self control were later convicted of a

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>crime versus of those who scored in the highest fifth.

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh So that's when you begin to wonder, like, what

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>are the long term ramifications of this? Can it be gamed?

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>How much of this is psychological and um behavioral right

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 1>from from what you learn when you're growing up. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to say that on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>to those those kids who had a lot of self control,

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they grew into adults with greater physical and mental health,

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.920
<v Speaker 1>fewer substance abuse problems. That's that's no surprise. There fewer

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>criminal convictions that are savings behavior in financial security and um.

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>They say that these pattern held even after researchers controlled

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 1>for the children's socio economic status, homeland and general intelligence. Okay,

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>so put all that aside and then begin to think

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 1>about Carol d Wick and her ideas about self esteem

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and what she calls the self esteem trap in education. Again,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>this is this labeling a kid how self control. A

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>kid is smart. A kid is not smart because you

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>tell them when they have no self control, tell him

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>enough times, they're going to believe it. And then how

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>are you going to respond to the chocolate cake? It's

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, well, I'm their chocolate cake. We both

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>know how this is gonna end. Let's go ahead and

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>do this now and then you eat. Yeah, And she

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>really she dwells more on the smart label because that's

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 1>something that has, you know, the self esteem movement has

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>been pretty strong since the nineteen seventies. In other words,

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the education system said, we just need kids to have

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>better self esteem and then they feel better. But Carold,

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>we kind of scratched at it, and she said, m

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the effect of praise could actually have

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>inverse conclusions here another word, because the idea here is

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 1>if you tell a child that they're they're not smart enough,

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 1>that they all believe that they're not smart, so then

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>the work harder. Well, okay, well I shouldn't say that. Well,

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>the original idea is that if you tell them that

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>that they're not smart too much, they'll believe it. And

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>then there's this idea though that if you tell them

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you're smart, you encourage them, then you'll you'll both of

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>them build them up. But then she's examining the question,

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>does this backfire after a point? Yes, because what's happening

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>here is that the kids who are labeled as smart

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>began to think that they are innately smart, that they

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.240
<v Speaker 1>should be smart, that they don't really have to try. Yeah,

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to exercise a lot of self control

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>or willpower in order to get something done. So what

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>happens is that they began to either pick the things

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 1>that are easy and not a challenge or um, they

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>began to think and or they began to think of

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>themselves as as failures and as posers. Right, and they

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.240
<v Speaker 1>feel like they're going to get uncovered at any moment.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>So what she's saying here is that it's empty praise.

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>It's praise like, hey, you're smart, you can do good,

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you can do this, as opposed to sitting there and

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>saying you have to have the effort, you have to

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>have the self control, and you have to sit down

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and you have to do this because and I won't

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 1>go into the specifics of this, because honestly, we could

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.479
<v Speaker 1>do an entire episode on Just Carold wex work on

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>this one principle um. But over and over again, what

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 1>you see or those kids are failing and the kids

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>that are labeled as smart in fact, by age twelve,

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>if a kid gets called out in class, by a

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 1>teacher is given an empty compliment or empty praise, that

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 1>kid thinks that they're not doing well because they begin

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to learn that if they're being um, if someone's just

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>giving them a bit of empty praise, they're being encouraged

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>because they're not doing well. Yeah, they're just being patronized like, oh,

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you're you're doing so well, and that doesn't work. You

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 1>see right through that exactly. So this all ties back

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to self control because when we're talking about uh, self esteem,

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>you get self esteem by completing something right, by exercising

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>self control and then seeing this challenge that you've met,

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 1>that's where self esteem comes into play. So it's it's

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting because there are a lot of educators now

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 1>who are starting to say that it's less about i Q,

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.799
<v Speaker 1>it's less about being smart or not being smart. It's

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>more about the effort in the character. Well, hopefully all

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.439
<v Speaker 1>of this we've discussed it. It's sort of I feel

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like it may be colors in. You know, again, this

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>idea of the mind body connection, that we're not just

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>this brain, we're not just this body, but with this

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>this interconnected system, and so you can see willpower and temptation,

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you can see the battle on both sides. You can see,

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you can see where where it happens in the mind,

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>you can see where it is very much an affair

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>of the body, and some of the things we can

0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>do to to to make it work in our in

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 1>our favor. So certainly, if you're dealing with temptations, uh,

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to make your resolutions work, limit your

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.919
<v Speaker 1>exposure to the things that are tempting you, such as

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the chocolates in the brake room, what have you. And

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 1>make your your goals achievable and understandable and simple enough

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can actually check them off the list. Yeah,

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and just have a certain amount of under standing of

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the limitations of willpower. But also you have to be

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>careful not to fall back on it. You don't want

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.479
<v Speaker 1>to do whatever extent you can fool yourself into thinking

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 1>willpower is not a depleatable resource. That's that's great, because

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>if you're just going like, oh, well, willpower is gonna

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>run off at three pm, And that's kind of like

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 1>making an appointment in your outlook calendar to eat the

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>chocolate cake at three pm, because you're giving yourself an out,

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 1>You're giving yourself an excuse so it's it's tricky, it's complex,

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully everyone has a little more understanding about how

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.879
<v Speaker 1>it works now. Yeah. Yeah, And if if all those

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>things failed, then just imagine those chimps thumbing through entertainment

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>weekly doing a better job than you are at not

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>reaching for that chocolate cake. Or you know, if if

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with chocolate cake at work, collect pennies off

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the ground and nickels, you know, dirty change from the ground,

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>bring them to work in a bag and anytime you're

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the chocolate cake is tempting you in the breaker and

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>just like stick one of those coins into it, and

0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 1>then you're like, then you've diseased it and you don't

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>have to worry about eating it. I mean, you might

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>become a pariah with your co workers, but hey, just

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 1>go over the top. Are just go ahead and squirt

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>some catchup all over that cake. Yeah, or I guess

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>you could throw it away. I mean, don't you get

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>into the tricky area of break room etiquette. But maybe

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing to do, you know, because it things

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like it's like a weapon in there. Somebody has has

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>dropped a bomb in the break room chocolate e delicious

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 1>bomb and maybe you should just dispose of it. Let

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>me ask you. You're right, You're right. I was gonna say,

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking about a robot coming in, and

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.359
<v Speaker 1>in fact, Arnie could do that our robot. What if

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 1>you had a delicious pake, good like a chocolate cake,

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 1>but you wrote something on it like butt cake or

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 1>cloe wake a cake? Do you think that that would

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 1>prevent people for meeting it? Like? What term would you

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>have to put on there in order for someone not

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to eat it? This would I smell a video project here?

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 1>We could We could pull this off at work, all right?

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>What would you have to ride on a cake? You

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>could have three cakes? We could That could be the

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>experiment and they may Actually if someone else wants to

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>try this before we get around to it, go for it.

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Like what would happen if you brought in three cakes

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and on one you wrote something yeah, you know, just

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of normal, like happy birthdays, easy or something like that,

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and then in the next one you wrote something a

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>little little gross, and then on the third when you

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 1>wrote something really gross. What would those cakes look like

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, even though they're all

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the same cake? I don't know. We need to find out. Yeah,

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.359
<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, speaking of Arnie, let's call him over

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>and let's do a few quick listener mails. All right,

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.880
<v Speaker 1>This one comes to us from our listener Wesley in

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 1>New York. Wesley says, Hey, guys, I just listened to

0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.959
<v Speaker 1>your life hacking episode and wanted to share another life

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>hack with you that I learned from a Ted talk.

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Matt Killingsworth gave a Ted talk about how we are

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>less happy when our minds are wandering than when we

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>are living in the moment. Since watching we talk, I've

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 1>noticed that many of the times that I am feeling

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>stressed out or unhappy, it is because I'm thinking about

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 1>things other than what is going on around me at

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 1>that moment. Simply reminding myself to keep focused on the

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:54.320
<v Speaker 1>moment and not let my mind wander has noticeably improved

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>my quality of life. Um, I think that that rings

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.879
<v Speaker 1>completely true with the number of things we've talked about

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. You know, to whatever extent you can

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>live in the moment, not to say you don't think

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 1>about the past and you don't plan for the future,

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>but to whatever extent you can put your mind in

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the present and not you know, worrying about the past

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and fretting about the future. Then all the better. As

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Buck Brennaman from the documentary Buck says, you cannot be

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in two places at one time, right exactly, not dwell

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Oh, I should also mention too, since

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about that for gaming things for New

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Year's and posture. Amy Cutty's talk on that, she had

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that the reason why she was interested in that

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is body postures because NBA female students slightly underperformed um

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>concerning their male counterparts. But when I failed to explain

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in that is that the reason they were underperforming is

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 1>because a large part of their grade was dependent on

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the class participation. And so what she was saying is

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>if you change their posture, could you get them to

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>be more demonstrative? Could you get them to feel more

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>confident in order to speak out? So I missed the

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about that specifically, and I wanted to mention that. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And just on another quick note about some feedback on

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<v Speaker 1>episodes we did those two episodes on shamanism and science

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<v Speaker 1>and psychedelics, and listener Cathy wrote in just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>to underline the fact that not every shaman is into psychedelics.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certainly other ways to reach some of these

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<v Speaker 1>mental spaces that we discussed in these in those episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>without the use of psychedelic substances, through the use of meditation,

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<v Speaker 1>to the use of yoga, through the use of music,

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<v Speaker 1>or his Cathy points out drumming. Uh so uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>as as a side note, we should stress that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other means of reaching those those places, those

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<v Speaker 1>places in the mind. All right, and let's look at

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<v Speaker 1>one last listener mail before we close the bag here.

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<v Speaker 1>This one comes to us from Richard, and Richard is

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<v Speaker 1>responding to our nutmeg episode, which recently published. Richard says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dutch Canadian. H it ain't much without the Dutch

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<v Speaker 1>uh l o L. I love nutmeg. I use it

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<v Speaker 1>in drinks, coffee and Hamburger. I mixed ground beef with

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<v Speaker 1>ground pork. I put in salt pepper in a generous amount,

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<v Speaker 1>not too much because it becomes too sweet. Of nutmeg.

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<v Speaker 1>Nutmeg adds a delicious flavor to Burger's kind of sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spicy, but not really brings out the burger flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it been using nutmeg all my life. Great and

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<v Speaker 1>egg nog too. Happy holiday? Uh this This was of

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<v Speaker 1>course interesting because I we mentioned the history of nutmeg

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<v Speaker 1>and how fond of it the Dutch are even to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. So I was curious if we had any

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<v Speaker 1>Dutch listeners or listeners of Dutch descent what their thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>are on And sure enough, here's a gentleman of Dutch

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<v Speaker 1>descent who loves himself some nutmex So that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was excellent to hear about. Plus gave us a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little quote there. Yeah, alright, Well, if anyone else thought

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