1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: All right, welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: point thirty nine. If you're watching on YouTube, you got 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: a quick preview of what the show was going to 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: be a moment ago. If you're just listening on iTunes 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: or Spotify, we greatly appreciate that, or watching on YouTube 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: later in the day. We had slight technical difficulties in 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, but it's to maybe be expected this earlier 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: than we've ever done the show in Los Angeles, but 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I don't actually think that had anything to do with it, 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: because first things first, Early Today Live for you guys. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: Then we head to Miami for one year out from 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: the World Cup celebration, and we could not be on 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: the air for this episode of What's Right with Nick Right, 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: presented to you by our good friends at boost Mobile 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: because last night was an utterly stunning result. We will 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: get to that in a second, but first straight to voicemail, 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: brought to you by boost Mobile. Bobby Witt Junior the player. 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: According to anonymous IMA player poll, that is second most 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: beloved by his fellow player as far as watching him play, 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: only show Aotani has more people are interested in watching 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: him play. Aaron Rodgers can't stand his new helmet. We 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: knew that already and the state of American soccer, which 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: we could spend a lot of time on. However, we're 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: not going to, just because last night's basketball game was 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: to me as stunning of a game as we've had 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: in the finals. Gosh, for my purposes in fifteen years, 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: that to me was as stunning of a singular and 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: I know it was only a five and a half 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: point spread, but as stunning of a singular finals game 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: as we've had since Game five of MAVs Heat in 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: twenty eleven. And so we will get to all of that. 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Reminder to you guys, follow us on YouTube if you 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: don't mind. We're we're close to two hundred and ten 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: thousand subscribers. Also subscribe on iTunes, Spotify. All of that 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: demands is bravely repping his old school Shay Gilgess Alexander 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Jersey that was purchased I mean six five years ago, 37 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: like right after the thunder got Shay, before he was 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: anything close to an All star, much less a superstar. 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: He's repping it right after they have their first, in 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: my opinion, truly devastating loss of the year. So let's 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: get into First of all, proud of you, good job 42 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: in that regard. Second of all, let's get into the game. 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said you said the Pacers had to 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: win this game, and they went out there and win it. 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: Their role players showed up. 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: Okay, ces role players did little for them, shave and 47 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: kind of underwhelmed a little bit. Do you think that 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: that performance is replicable for the Pacers? 49 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Well, what I think is this. I think we have 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: something now that I never thought we were gonna have, 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: which is a real series that could go either way. 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: And I'm shocked Indy won that game. And I know 53 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: I shouldn't be, because again, five and a half point 54 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: underdogs win all the time. It's not like and they 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: were at home. And I understand all of that, I 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: really do, And if I the only solace I have, 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I suppose from a personal perspective, in all, you know 58 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: my terrible poker results from last week in Vegas's. Had 59 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: I not had terrible poker results last week in Vegas, 60 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I almost assuredly would have fired considerably on the thunder 61 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: to win this basketball game. Because I have bought in. 62 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I have bought in the the twenty twenty five Oklahoma 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: City thunder as far as singular seasons are an all 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: time team that Indiana did not have an answer for 65 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: Shay And as we talked about I think pretty intelligently 66 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, it is just so hard, unless you have 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: the best defense in basketball to win a championship if 68 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: your best player is a pass first guy, if he's 69 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: not a just go get you a bucket guy. And 70 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: we talked about it on Tuesday that the greatest point 71 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: guards we've seen in the history of this league, aside 72 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: from Magic Johnson, were not able to crack that code 73 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: if they were listen. Steph did it. Obviously he's not 74 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: a pass first guy. Zeke did it. He could have 75 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: scored more, but also had the best defense in basketball. 76 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: But Jason Kidd or Chris Paul or hell Oscar Robertson 77 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: before he had a Keeam or Bob Coosey before he 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: had Russell, Steve Nash, those guys, It's just so hard 79 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: because you are going to come again across a team 80 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: who's best guy can go get a bucket whenever he 81 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: wants And how do you answer that? And again, I'm 82 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: not acting as if the Pacers have won the series. 83 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: I am acting as if however, we now have a series, 84 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, the Pacers have a 85 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: game to play with The Pacers demonse go into Game four, 86 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they won't view it this way, but 87 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a house money game. They go into Game four saying, 88 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: all right, if we win, we have a vice scrip 89 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: on this series. And if we lose, we already know 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: we can win in Oklahoma City. And unlike Game one, 91 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: which you give the Pacers credit for their heart and 92 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: their grit and all of that, Game one, however, let's 93 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 1: be honest, felt fluky. It felt like, Okay, Oklahoma City 94 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: took their eye off the ball for just a minute, 95 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: and the Pacers stormed through that door. 96 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: Say if this is what they do when they get 97 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: they get in those late game situations and they can 98 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: overcome it. 99 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: I think they did it again. 100 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: So but that's not what they did here. 101 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this not in this game. I'm talking about 102 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: Game one. 103 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: Ok yeah, So here, here's why I'm saying. It didn't 104 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: feel fluky that they hit. You know, that Halliburton hit 105 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: the game winner. That didn't feel fluky. What felt fluky 106 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: was the fact that Oklahoma City led seconds into the 107 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: game the Pacers never closed the gap. That it was 108 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: a fourteen point game in the fourth quarter and it 109 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: was I and all of a sudden, the Pacers have 110 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: a chance to steal it. And you're right, that was 111 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: the fourth time they've done that in these playoffs. I 112 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: get that. So maybe fluky's the wrong word, Jeeves, but 113 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: not they weren't gonna win four games that way. They 114 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: were not gonna win four games where Oklahoma City dominates 115 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: the game and then they come roaring back like they've 116 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: won one game a series that way. And then Game two, 117 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: when Oklahoma City dominated from start to finish, that felt 118 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: to me much more indicative of the game we were 119 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: going to get, where the Pacers are good but Oklahoma 120 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: City's great, and instead everything you wanted to see from 121 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: Indiana they did. They did bother shay More Halliburton was 122 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: more aggressive, Siakam was more efficient, and the star of 123 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: the game Benedict Mathern, who has had such an interesting playoffs. 124 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: So Matherine who the Pacers beat Demond because they never tank, 125 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of super high draft picks on 126 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: their team, and in fact, I think, like I don't 127 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: know if it's franchise history like the last thirty years 128 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: or something, but there's only two guys that they have 129 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: drafted in the top nine or something. I'm gonna get 130 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: that those details a little wrong, but it's about that 131 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: Mathern and a kid who's hurt, and Matherin was kind 132 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: of it looked like, oh wait, is he gonna be 133 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: odd man out win? In the Cleveland series, Game four, 134 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: he basically gets a DMP coaches decision. Game five, he 135 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: only plays eleven minutes. Then against the Knicks Game two, 136 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: eleven minutes, zero points, Game three, eight minutes, two points, 137 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: and it looked like Carlisle was souring on it. And 138 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: then Mathern has had in the last six games three 139 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: just unbelievable stat lines off the bench. Game four against 140 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: the Knicks twelve minutes, twenty points, Game five against the 141 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Knicks twenty five minutes, twenty three points, and then last 142 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: night Game three against the Thunder twenty two minutes, twenty 143 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: seven points. And I'm gonna pull it up so we 144 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: have it exactly. But since he was basically looked like, 145 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: oh man, is Carlisle done with him? In the six 146 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: games since then, Benedict Mathern has played one hundred and 147 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: six minutes and scored ninety three points. The guy is 148 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: basically a point a minute over his last six games. 149 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: None more important or noteworthy than last night when nobody 150 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: had an answer for him, when he just he was 151 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: the X factor off the bench for them, and all 152 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: I'm just so yes, listen, TJ McConnell did TJ McConnell things. 153 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: And he loves getting those steals in the back court. 154 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: You know, he's just us up a white man's Jose Alvarado, 155 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna play this scrappy style, I'm gonna annoy you. 156 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't go out of bounds and and 157 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: trick people like that. But he's a past And one 158 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: of his steals, the one where he just caught the 159 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: inbound pass and laid it up, was one of the 160 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: dopest things. That was one of the coolest mini highlights 161 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, he just jumped up and grabbed 162 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: and laid it up right there again. 163 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: Couple. 164 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he had he made three baskets, I 165 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: feel like they were and he had five steals. So 166 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: TJ McConnell off the bench, five steals, Obi Toppin off 167 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: the bench four of five from two and some big rebounds. 168 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: And Ben Matherin man nine of twelve, got to the 169 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: free throw line eight times, which is another thing he 170 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: did against the Nick. He drew foulsand got to the line. 171 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: He's plus sixteen and twenty two minutes. 172 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 3: Give is okay? See another thing to have to worry 173 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: about one. 174 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: Hundred percent and credit where it's due to Halliburton, because 175 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Halliburton the point that I made. Now, let me just 176 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: be clear here, my playoff bracket and my playoff predictions 177 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: are in shambles. I have been wrong about three series 178 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: picks more this playoffs than any playoffs I can remember. 179 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: And bet of the Year, which we'll get to later, 180 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: is on life supports. It's truly on life support. My 181 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: in series analysis has been far better. 182 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 4: And one of the points that I'm excuse me, I apologize. 183 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: One of the points I made after game two was 184 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: the Pacers need to recognize you are not playing. 185 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: A good shot, good shot, great shot team. You are 186 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: playing a bad shot, decent shot. Take the shot. And 187 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: it felt like Halliburton understood that. That Haliburton, when his 188 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: teammates go five of twenty one from three, when aside 189 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: from Mathern nobody hits more than one three when aside 190 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: from Siakam, none of the other starters really seem like 191 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: they have it offensively, he understood, I've got to be 192 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: a little more aggressive looking for my own shot, and 193 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: he did. Now he's still the ball was still popping 194 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: and moving, and he's still had his eleven assists, and 195 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: he's a rebound shy of a triple double. But he 196 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: was a little more aggressive offensively. And here's the other 197 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: thing the Pacers do, man, They wear your ass out 198 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: where they are. And the part of this is because 199 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Carlisle trusts the bench like it is remarkable demons that 200 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: in a basketball game. That keep in mind, I thought 201 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: the thunder kind of stole the game a sneaky what 202 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: could have been a sneaky huge moment was the very 203 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: end of the third quarter when the Pacers are up 204 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: one with thirty five seconds left and Check gets a 205 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: dunk and one. Now they're up to McConnell misses a 206 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, like a five footer, and then j Dubb 207 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: hits a three basically at the core buzzer, and it 208 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: went from oh, the Pacers are gonna have the lead 209 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: going into the fourth to the Pacers are down five 210 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: going into the fourth and then it didn't you know, 211 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: they crushed him in the fourth thirty two to eighteen. 212 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: But the fact that Halliburton, in what I felt was 213 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: a gotta have it, must win game that was nip 214 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: and tuck really throughout. He only played thirty six minutes. 215 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Like Halliburton has not played forty minutes in a regulation 216 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: playoff game this year, which is maybe one of the 217 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: reasons he's so good at the end. But it de 218 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: testament to the Pacers that they're able to do that 219 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: have their best player on the bench and not get 220 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: blown out. And the Thunder at the end of this 221 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: game were the tired team. 222 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: Like Indiana seemed like they switched identities with okay See, Yes, 223 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: as far as defense, Indiana is a. 224 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: Lot more suffocating. They're flying around. 225 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: Okay See was obviously still playing decent defense, but it 226 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: just seemed like the Pacers had a lot more energy 227 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: on defense. 228 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: Well, it looked like he hadn't played in the fourth 229 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: quarter at all. 230 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: The listen Pacers thirteen steals, Thunder six Pacers, fourteen turnovers, 231 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Thunder just nineteen All Right'm sorry, Thunder nineteen, not just 232 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: nineteen they Pacers won the points off turnovers battle twenty 233 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: one to fourteen. They won the fast break points battle 234 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: seventeen to ten. Like a lot of these metrics that 235 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: the Thunder have been eating off of, and those aren't 236 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: really metrics. Those are just kind of old school stats 237 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: eating off of all year, the Pacers won. And for 238 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: the Pacers to win that game, when Jadub plays that well, 239 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: man oh Man, like, because I thought Jalen Williams was excellent. 240 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: He played well. 241 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I also thought no, no, no. I also thought, for 242 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: the first time this series, and one of the only 243 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: times all playoffs, it felt like Daggonall was struggling to 244 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: find who on my bench do I trust. He threw 245 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: Isaiah Joe in there. Isaiah Joe hit a couple of 246 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: threes in a couple minutes. He didn't go back. Aaron 247 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: Wiggins didn't have it, Caruso didn't have the impact he'd 248 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: been having. It was probably Hartenstein's worst game of the playoffs. 249 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: And so even though Cason Wallace played well, Dort played well, 250 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Jada played excellent, and we'll get to Shay and Chet 251 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: in a second, but you can't say either one of 252 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: those guys was herrrific, like neither one of those guys 253 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: like had just awful awful games. Indy stormed back and 254 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: then was in firm control for the second half of 255 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 1: that fourth quarter. They take the lead with eight minutes 256 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: left after being down five going into the quarter and 257 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: never relinquish it and stretch it at one point all 258 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: the way up to eight points. And credit to the officials, 259 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: by the way, for not going flagrant. 260 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: Fact yes, yeah, because it would have that all on 261 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: the broadcast to a. 262 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: Sea which was weird. Like I but again I don't 263 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: know the broadcast. It doesn't matter point that like, because 264 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: that was it was a terrible Haliburton turnover, probably his 265 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: worst moment of the game. And you're up eight with 266 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: three minutes left with the ball, you get a bucket. 267 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: The game's basically over. What you can't allow is the 268 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: live ball turnover transition layup all of a sudden at 269 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: six still, what you really can't allow is a four 270 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: or five point possession, which is what could have happened 271 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: if they would have called a flagrant. They didn't call 272 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: a flagrant, and I listen, I thought, Indiana, if I'm 273 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: being totally honest, and then we'll get to the okayc 274 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: side of things was as funny as odd as this 275 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: is Demond's because they've they've been so good when they've 276 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: been trailing. I thought Indiana was a little shaky on 277 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: their their late game execution. So with three minutes left, 278 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: you have or a two and a half minutes left, 279 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: I guess was the Halliburton turnover, and then almost the 280 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: flagrant the next possession, Miles Turner turnover the next possession, 281 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: kind of an early in the shot clock Nie Smith three. 282 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: Siakam then makes a bucket, calms things down. But then 283 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: you're up eight with a minute left and you commit 284 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: a dumb foul that you can't do that. The next 285 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: possession you commit a foul. Haliburton upset he doesn't get 286 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: the call and they commit a foul. You're up seven 287 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: with thirty five seconds left, like and the balls eighty 288 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: feet from the basket just don't foul. So there were 289 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: a few moments late where it looked like Indiana nem 290 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Harden committed a foul with seventeen seconds left. Again, those 291 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: things didn't end up mattering, but they could have. But overall, man, 292 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: what a what a performance, And it is not lost 293 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: on me that I said, this was to me the 294 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: most shocking singular Finals game for me since Game five 295 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: twenty eleven MAVs heat. And the coach of the team 296 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: that pulled off that upset and the coach of the 297 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: team that pulled off this upset are the same guy, 298 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle, who I imagine once the Finals are over, 299 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the Knicks are gonna say, hey, can we interview him? 300 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: So? 301 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: Uh DEMONDI. One of the questions from. 302 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 2: The chat, oh yeah, so, anonymous three to five four 303 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: says Nick, what do you think has been the issue 304 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: with a lot of pundits getting behind the Pacers is 305 00:21:59,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: a good team? 306 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 3: A and I's three five four. I've been there with you, 307 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: but go ahead. 308 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: So listen. I don't think people have denied that the 309 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: Pacers are a good team. I do think people have. 310 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say people have not acted 311 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: as if the fact that they have the second best 312 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: record in basketball since and I don't think I've lost 313 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: consecutive games since January one. I think that people have 314 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: dismissed that, maybe a little more than they should have. 315 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: But I think this was less about a dismissal of 316 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: Indiana and more about a reverence for Okac, who, if 317 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: we're being honest, through two games, controlled ninety six percent 318 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: of this series ninety six minutes played. OKC led for 319 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: ninety one, was tied for two and a half, and 320 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: trailed for two Like that's but yesterday was not that. 321 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: We'll get to the Okac side in a second. But first, 322 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals are here. This is your last chance 323 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: to bet on the NBA until next season. 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I know this is cliche. I understand that 366 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: this might be too simplistic for some of the more 367 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: erudite members of NBA Twitter, but I don't care. Game 368 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: four is about one guy and one kind of one 369 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: other guy, and that one guy is shit. Shay was 370 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: mediocre yesterday. He was nine of twenty. He didn't get 371 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: all the Shay calls that he's used to. He turned 372 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: the ball over a half dozen times times, he was 373 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: targeted a fair amount defensively, and he never even had 374 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: like that stretch of the game where it's like, oh 375 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: a Shay Gilgess Alexander individual seven to zero run. He 376 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: is the league in MVP. He had scored seventy two 377 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: points in the first two finals games. He came into 378 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: this game with I think the seventh highest finals average 379 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: for a single series in league history. He had, you know, 380 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: he came into this game averaging thirty six a game 381 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: and really being not just the best player on the court, 382 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: but head and shoulders markedly better than whomever the second 383 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: best player was. And then yesterday he had an off night. 384 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: You don't kill him for it, You absolutely, unequivocal, do 385 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: not kill him for it. But the pressure is on him. 386 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: In game four, we the best player in the league. 387 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: Conversation was starting. We were already. I tried to Demanse 388 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: thought that I was too premature, and he might have 389 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: ended up being right. Some of Demand's playoff takes might 390 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: end up aging a lot better than mine. 391 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: Go back and watch. 392 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, because after what was it? It was Game four 393 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: against Minnesota when I just basically did the thunder have 394 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: won the championship but they're not a dynasty yet? The 395 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: show Yeah, and you were like, can we slow down 396 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: a bit? And I was like, no, we can't. I 397 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: think Thunder have won the title now. Demand wanted to 398 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: pump the brakes on me. A couple of weeks ago 399 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: doing that. I can't imagine how he felt watching Sports TV, 400 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, Monday and Tuesday when forget the thunder of 401 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: won this title, the thunder have won the next few 402 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: like we were a full fledged dynasty discussion in a 403 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: lot of places. And by the way, I still think 404 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: the thunder are gonna win the series. 405 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: Crazy. 406 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: You think that's crazy right now? You would pick Indiana. 407 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: I'm picking Indiana. 408 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: That's I think they're gonna Honestly, this is probably just emotion. 409 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: I just don't want okay See to win. I want 410 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: the Pacers to win it. I like the Pacers a 411 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: lot more. But and I do truly think the Pacers. 412 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: Can win it. 413 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't think that in the next game exactly what 414 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 2: happened this last game will happen, but the other players 415 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: that didn't play to their best standard can make up 416 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: for the math room or the TJ McConnell. I think 417 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: TJ McConnell's game is pretty replicable. But yeah, I feel 418 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: pretty strongly about it. 419 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: Okay, if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, that commentary 420 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: from Demonte made total sense. If you're watching on YouTube, 421 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: it might be a little confusing, as he is saying, 422 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: I just want Indiana to win while proudly wearing his 423 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: SGA jersey. So it might be somewhat there might be 424 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: a little a little es right, so the that so 425 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: I credit to you for that take. I still think 426 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: okay See is better and I still think that they are. 427 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: While my minus two and a half or minus a 428 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: game and a half take is in trouble. Okay Se 429 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: still should should have in their back pocket a game 430 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: seven in their building, where they have lost two playoff 431 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: games all year, both on buzzer beaters. However, in order 432 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: to get to a game seven, they have to win 433 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: a game in Indiana and that and Shae is the 434 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: guy that in that context has to be better than 435 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: he was not in this series or in this postseason. 436 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: But then he has then he was last night. The 437 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: other guy who I'm going to, you know, shine a 438 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: light on. 439 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: A bit. 440 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Is the highest drafted player on this team and the 441 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: guy a lot of people thought Shae obviously has superseded 442 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: this but had the highest upside of any of these guys, 443 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: at least as prospects. And that's Chet. Now, listen, Chet 444 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: last night was six of nine inside the arc eight 445 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: of nine from the free throw line gave you twenty 446 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: and ten. You can't kill Chet for his performance last 447 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: night at all. What's odd for him this series is 448 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: he just can't hit his three. He's now one for 449 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: ten in the series. From three last night took six 450 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: of them. And Jalen Williams had been consistent but inefficient 451 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: in this series prior to last night. Last night he 452 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: was good. He was fifty percent from the field, and 453 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: from three last night was Jalen Williams was the best 454 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: player on the Thunder. Game four, Shay's got to be 455 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: exceptional and Chet's just got to make a few rain shots. 456 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: I think they can. I think they will. What do 457 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: you think, Demande. 458 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. 459 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: If I'm guessing you haven't looked. What do you think 460 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the line for Game four is in Indiana? 461 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: I'd say Indiana. Uh, it's okay, okay, see minus three. 462 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: Okay, see minus six? Jesus Vegas? Is they okay? See 463 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: is minus two twenty for the series? Still they're minus 464 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: six in this game. I'm telling you the like DraftKings 465 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: and Vegas do not believe. And now minus two twenty 466 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 1: isn't minus seven hundred, which is where okay s was 467 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: to start the series. But they still think okay See 468 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: is in very good shape. Mine it Like, let me 469 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: put it like this, minus two twenty would still be 470 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: one of the seven biggest finals upsets ever, Like what 471 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: okay See is favorite by right now? Down to one 472 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: losing that would be the seventh biggest finals upset of 473 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: all time. I and here's the other thing. I'm really 474 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: excited to see what Shay has for us here because 475 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: Jokic is not the right example in this because Jokic 476 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: in his one NBA Finals, they lost game one, but 477 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: then first of all, that Heat team was wildly overmatched, 478 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: and second of all, they you know, they then won 479 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: four straight. Yannis's one NBA Finals, however, is an interesting 480 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: one where they're down two to Phoenix and he responds 481 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: with a forty one thirteen to six, then a twenty 482 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: six fourteen to eight, then a thirty two nine and 483 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: six including I think that was the game with the 484 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: alley the steal by Drew in the alley oop, and 485 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: then of course game six he had the fifty and fourteen, 486 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: Like how does the MVP scoring champ leader of the team, uh? How? 487 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: And the Daniels reminded me Denver lost game two, not 488 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: game one. But the point kind of remains, even after 489 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: losing game two, they were never really in jeopardy. They 490 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: were never they never even more to the point, they 491 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: never trailed in the series. Thank you, Daniel, I forgot that. 492 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I just knew they lost one of the first two. 493 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: But how does Shay respond? Now you can say, well, 494 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: how did he respond when they were trailing in the 495 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: series against Denver? And the answer to that question is 496 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: responded decently. He wasn't great in that game four that 497 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: they won. He had twenty five on eight of nineteen, 498 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: but then he was exceptional the final three games of 499 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: that series, after it was two to two, and then 500 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: after falling down a one to Denver, they beat Denver 501 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: by forty points. But there's a different type of pressure. 502 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: This is a different situation. 503 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 3: And they need to win convincingly. 504 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: Huh, Like I feel like if this is a close game, 505 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: and like Indiana just has that, you know, the mindset 506 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: of all these games are gonna be close that I 507 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: think that they can they can bite okay see and 508 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: catch them slacken again. 509 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: Oh so you okay? I thought you meant they need 510 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: to win convincingly rather than just win a close one 511 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: for like morale purposes. You're saying that they need if 512 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: it's if they're not up big there, they risk blowing 513 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: it at the end. 514 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, they is blowing it again, I think it. No, 515 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: I honestly think they should. They have to try to 516 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 2: take some of the PACER's confidence away. If it's a 517 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 2: close game, then the Pacers are gonna feel like they're 518 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 2: in it the entire time, which they are. 519 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: But well, I'm I'm really impressed by the pacers stamina. Now, 520 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: part of this is that the bench that they're playing 521 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: all of it. 522 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 3: But Shay. 523 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: One of the brilliant things about Shay is the dude 524 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: never looks tired, never. 525 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 3: Like seconds after he falls down by himself. 526 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that part's true, but he never He's never like 527 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: dripping in sweat, you know what I mean. He always 528 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: seems very in control. Yesterday, at the end of the game, 529 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: we saw some hands on your knees type of stuff, 530 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: and that is what the Pacers do to you. And 531 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: so I am listen, I can't front on this. I 532 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: just have to be totally candid. I am shocked we're 533 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: able to actually analyze this series you guys know what 534 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: I thought that I thought it could be four to oh, 535 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: that I thought it would be for to one. That 536 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: I thought the worst case scenario for OKAC was four 537 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: to two. And listen, that's still on the board. Four 538 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: to two is still is. I wouldn't be shocked if 539 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: OKAC wins the next three. But man, last night's game, 540 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,479 Speaker 1: I did not see coming from a mile away. And 541 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: people can say it's bad analysis by me, whatever it is, 542 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't care, like I just have to be honest 543 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: with the audience. I did not see that coming from 544 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: a mile away. All right, let's we'll get into the 545 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: Knicks head coach stuff in a second. But first, you 546 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: ever sign up for a phone plan thinking wow, what 547 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: a price, and then a few months later it's like surprise, 548 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: bill's higher. With boost mob our friends. 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Customers will 558 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: pay twenty five dollars a month as long as they 559 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 1: remain active on the Boost Unlimited plan. All right, demons, 560 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: let's go to the Knicks head coaching search and a 561 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: few other things before I have to get out of here, 562 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: because we're doing first things first early today. 563 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: So the Knicks were asking a bunch of coaches who 564 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: already had jobs to be their next coach after firing Tivs. 565 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: Seems like that has not worked out so far. You 566 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 2: said that you haven't closed the door on kid being 567 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: the coach. How do you see it playing out now 568 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: that all these teams have said no to them? 569 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: All right? Can I listen? This might sound Devil's advocaty, 570 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: but can I make the case for the Knicks here? 571 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 3: All right? 572 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: If you're not worried about that it looks like embarrassing? 573 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: What's the harm in asking? So they have now asked 574 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: and been rejected as far as not necessarily by the 575 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: coach but by the team for the Rockets with Udoka, 576 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: the MAVs with Kid, the Timberwolves with Finch, the Hawks 577 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: with Quinn Snyder. And there's one other one that I'm forgetting. 578 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: I know there's been it's been five teams, the producers maybe, oh, 579 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: Billy Donovan with the Bulls. So they have asked about 580 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: five head coaches. Now. That seems haphazard and it seems amateurish. 581 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: I understand that. But this is the argument that I 582 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: would make on the Knick's behalf if they've known all along, Hey, 583 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: assistant coach X is someone we are comfortable with. Brew 584 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: has talked a lot about Johnny Bryant. Let's just use 585 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: him as a placeholder. He used to be here. Are 586 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: players liked him? He didn't get the Sun's job right. 587 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: They feel that way. They also feel confident that no 588 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: other coaches getting fired, like the There's only two teams 589 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: left playing, so it'd be kind of and obviously Daggon, 590 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: Alton Carlisle aren't getting fired, so they don't have to 591 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: worry about anybody potentially jumping them in the line for 592 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: one of those assistant coaches. If they have that in 593 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: their back pocket, what's the problem being like Hey, awesome coach, 594 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: why we'd love to talk to you. Are you interested 595 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: in talking to us? And the team saying no, you can't. 596 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, no harm in asking. There is a 597 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: there is an element of this that I gotta say, 598 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: I almost respect the humility. Well, I mean, I don't 599 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: know if it's humility, but like the the lack of 600 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: shame in that. Hey, Like, I really there's a If 601 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm an NBA coach at this point and the Knicks 602 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: haven't asked to talk to me, I'm a little offended. 603 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: And like, if you're Eric Spolstra or Joe Missoula, are 604 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: you not like, hey, what you don't want to talk 605 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: to me? 606 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 3: Well? 607 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: That is insane? Well, I spols was a funny one 608 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: because obviously pat Riley, you know, was that go to 609 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: the Knicks. He now runs the heat there. But they're no, 610 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: Suppo's not going anywhere, Missoula is not going anywhere. curR 611 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. I understand all that. I but 612 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who and again he they would get rejected. 613 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: But my buddy who I just saw uh for the 614 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: first time in a few months, Uh Tylo when I 615 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: was out in Vegas, if yeah, the tylu Yeah, Kansas 616 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: City's own you know, US US US native Kansas Citians 617 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: we got. I mean he's from Mexico City, Missouri. But still, uh, 618 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: Tyleru's gotta feel like, where's my ask? Why haven't you 619 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: asked Balmer to interview me? Now? I don't Again, I 620 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: think Balmer would say no, here's the thing, and this 621 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: is where I am serious. What is the harm? What 622 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: is it? And for everyone making fun of then and 623 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm not a Knicks fan, but for everyone making fun 624 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: of the Knicks on Twitter, someone finished the thought, this 625 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: is awful because dot dot dot they look disorganized. 626 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 2: I mean you go ahead, oh yeah, you fired your 627 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 2: coach and you like had kind of basically no plan 628 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 2: and you can't find one. But you're saying that they 629 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 2: had an assistant coach over there that they trusted in 630 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 2: that scenario, I guess it does make sense. 631 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not necessarily one of their own assistants, but 632 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: an assistant somewhere else in the league. Here's the thing. 633 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: Most teams fire when they fire their coach. It's not 634 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: because they knew who the next coach is going to be. 635 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: It's because they don't want that guy to be their 636 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: coach anymore. 637 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 2: But I guarantee you most of the candidates that they're 638 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 2: asking for aren't currently employed. 639 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: Well right, they're they're not setting their sites high enough, 640 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 1: I guess. Like but when that when the Nuggets fired 641 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: Michael Malone, they did not know who that Dave Adelman 642 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: was going to get that job. They knew he was 643 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: gonna be interim and then they were gonna do a 644 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: coaching search. Now, because they played well in the postseason, 645 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: they felt they didn't need to do a coaching search. 646 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: And so if people want to argue they shouldn't have 647 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: fired TIBs, so be it. I think they might be 648 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: right about that. I also understand, and this was the 649 00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: analogy I used on uh the show Yes Yesterday. The 650 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: Kansaity Chiefs won double digit games and won the division 651 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: basically every year with Alex Smith, but they felt like 652 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: there was a hard ceiling, so they were going to 653 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: take a risk trade up for you know, a rookie quarterback, 654 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: and then after he had basically no experience whatsoever, trade 655 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: away Alex Smith, knowing our floor might get way lower, 656 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: but we want a chance to win a championship. Now. 657 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: That guy ended up being the greatest quarterback to ever 658 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: live in Patrick Mahomes. So it worked out beautifully. But 659 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: or the on a much briefer scale, the Minnesota Vikings 660 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold, like, yeah, we won fourteen games, we 661 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: made the playoffs. We want a chance, though, to be great, 662 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: so we're going to move on from you to me. 663 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: He is the logic with what they did with TIBs. 664 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: They felt like, you're a good coach, but we are 665 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 1: not going to win four straight rounds if we don't 666 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: with this roster, if we don't get an upgraded coach. 667 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: So we're gonna roll the dice, and the first dice. 668 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, the first half dozen dice rolls are. 669 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 3: You know? 670 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: They they went after the best and the brightest. I 671 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: don't I think it is a weird look. I don't 672 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: think it actually as a tangibly negative impact on them. 673 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Katie and Giannis. 674 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 2: Yanna's shut down any trade rumors that there were a 675 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 2: circulating sin that he would like to be in Milwaukee 676 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 2: next year and win a championship. So that makes the 677 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 2: Katie sweepstakes much more interesting. And Sham's reported that Houston's 678 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 2: San Antotio Miami Minnesota and the Knicks are all interested. 679 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 2: Which team would you see Katie suiting up for? All right, 680 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 2: Jianna is just waiting for Katie. But pick a team 681 00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 2: so see where he should go. 682 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,240 Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to say the y honest thing's done. 683 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't think the honest thing is guaranteed that he's 684 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: asking for a trade. But I certainly don't think it's 685 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: guaranteed that he's staying in Milwaukee. But the y honest 686 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: trade is going to be more complicated and in two 687 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 1: thirds of the league are going to be interested. There 688 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of smoke surrounding Durant and 689 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: the Spurs. That's a fun one that I'm interested in, 690 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: But I do not think that team can win a championship. 691 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: I just don't think Wimby is ready yet to. 692 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 3: Be Kevin Durant's goal. 693 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: What a question do you not think it is? 694 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he wants to go play in San Antonio, 695 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily seem like it is. I don't think 696 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 2: that he thinks that he's the missing piece from Santi 697 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 2: Tonio getting to a championship. 698 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: Well, and to be fair, we don't know where he 699 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: wants to go. 700 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 3: Play but this San Antonio, but it seems like go ahead. 701 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, I mean, listen, the Spurs. It's not 702 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: like if he were to go to Miami and pick Miami, 703 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 1: then I would say he's not that worried about winning 704 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: a title because they can't win. You know, with respect 705 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: to him, you'd have to give up something for him, 706 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: even if you've got a hero and bam, that team's 707 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: not good enough. The Spurs, Castle's good, Dearn Fox is 708 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: really good, Wimby has unlimited upside. And if Durant still 709 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: feels like and I'm the you know, fifth best player 710 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: in the NBA, even if he's closer to the fifteenth 711 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: best player in the NBA, Like, it's not like he'd 712 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: be going somewhere where they have no shot whatsoever. The 713 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,319 Speaker 1: So the Spurs to me are interesting, but it wouldn't 714 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: put them over the top. I am those other three teams. 715 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: You could maybe convince me on any of them that, man, 716 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,280 Speaker 1: that team could win the title if you took away 717 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Green's minutes and gave them to Kevin Durant. They 718 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: beat the Warriors, like, that's that's not even to me 719 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: a question. They beat the Warriors, and then they have 720 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: a real you know what I mean, a real shot 721 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: next year, Shongoon a little better. You know, you're gonna 722 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: have a great defense with Udoka Like that, to me, 723 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: that team is really interesting. Now that's the perfect, y 724 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: honest team. But Houston is really interesting. Anthony Edwards plus Durant, 725 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: if Ant can level up just a touch, that one's interesting. 726 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: And the n I don't think the Knicks necessarily would 727 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: be better than the Knicks with Durant, wouldn't necessarily better 728 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: be better than Houston or Minnesota with Durant, but because 729 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: one's in the East and ones in the West, like 730 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 1: the Knicks, would be a really fascinating one and one 731 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: that I would be really interested in seeing how it 732 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:34,240 Speaker 1: plays out. I do think KD has at least one 733 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: more elite year left in the tank. And I also 734 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,760 Speaker 1: think people need to understand because of his contract, he's 735 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: not easy to trade. So like the idea, I know 736 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: that Shams has said, or Shams has said, there are 737 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: wild card suitors. You gotta find wild card suitors that 738 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: aren't second apron and can get the salaries together and 739 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 1: all of that, And so I would imagine just my 740 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: guess that one of the wild card shuters is the Clippers. 741 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,319 Speaker 1: That'd be a very hard trade to pull off. And 742 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: that's when I wouldn't like, Yeah, i've seen Durant with Harden, 743 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm not and like Kawhi's an injury risk, Durant's an 744 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,720 Speaker 1: injury risk. I'd like to see Durant be the old 745 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: VET on a young team, like you know what I mean. 746 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: I think that would be I think that would be fun. 747 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: But Durant is one hundred percent getting traded. Yannis might 748 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: get traded, and then we'll see what the other moves are. 749 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 3: All right? 750 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: Do we have a couple listener questions, Demonse, we can 751 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: get too quickly before I got to get out of here. 752 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, we'll catch ass which is more likely Thunder 753 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 2: coming back or Demonte's rec lead team turning it around. 754 00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:01,280 Speaker 2: What's the answer, I'd honestly say Demands's league team turning 755 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 2: it around. Wow, I think that the Pacers. I just 756 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 2: think the Pacers are gonna win this series. 757 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: Man, that would be great. Can I just say something else? 758 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring my art pods 759 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: set up with us to Miami and if the Pacers 760 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:28,800 Speaker 1: win game four Friday night all do sometimes Saturday morning, 761 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: some emergency pod type of thing. It would be awesome 762 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: if the Pacers win. I'm like, I don't think they're 763 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,799 Speaker 1: going to, but it would be awesome. Joseph says, what's 764 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: up with the gun show today? Demonse looking all jacked. 765 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: You know what's so funny? And this is a compliment, demonsey, 766 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,399 Speaker 1: don't take this the wrong way. I actually was thinking 767 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 1: the opposite. I was like, you need to hit those 768 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: push ups. You're not as this no for real, like again, 769 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: like I mean, you're in great shape and a great athlete, 770 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: but just for like when I saw you in your jersey, 771 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh demons than he was a few months like, appreciate. 772 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 3: Than Joseph. 773 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: Sorry, but all right, Nick, right, muse what did he say? 774 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: Tomase quick grammar. 775 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 2: Check for Nick. I know Nick will appreciate this. He 776 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,120 Speaker 2: said change tech a couple of times now on First 777 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 2: Things First and the Herd, and it's changed tech. 778 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: Really it's so that, thank you. I do appreciate that. 779 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: I have said they need to change their tacked tact 780 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: and he's saying that the phrases it needs to change 781 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 1: tack which is T A c K. I didn't know that. 782 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 1: I'll look up why that is. I had no idea, 783 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: all right. Appreciate the Blue Dock and Volume folks for 784 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: fixing our technical difficulties. Appreciate Boost Mobile for sponsoring the show, 785 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,399 Speaker 1: for DraftKings for being great. Uh, and everybody out west 786 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,280 Speaker 1: for getting up early. 787 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 3: Uh. 788 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: Stay safe. I'm heading the first things first, then to Miami. 789 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 1: We will talk to you guys, maybe Saturday morning, maybe 790 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: Monday morning, definitely Tuesday morning, see you guys. Then we'll 791 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:05,879 Speaker 1: try