WEBVTT - Finally! A Show About a 20-something Chess Master

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Today is a little different from my usual routine of

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<v Speaker 2>getting out of bed, showering and putting on makeup and

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready for stream. Today, I'm going to be playing

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<v Speaker 2>some chess over at Downtown LA Chess Club.

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<v Speaker 1>A large part of my day revolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Around making chess content, and one of the key parts

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<v Speaker 2>to making good chess content is finding interesting people to

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<v Speaker 2>play against it. Downtown LA has a lot of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>people to play against, so I'm very excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually I will live.

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<v Speaker 2>Stream it on my Twitch channel, but I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to record on my camera.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's head out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is finally a show about a chess grandmaster, online gamer,

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<v Speaker 2>and poker player.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, my name is Neimo.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a woman grandmaster in chess, and today we

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<v Speaker 2>are here to play some.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the members of this chess club.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in downtown LA and this is a little coffee

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<v Speaker 2>shop right on Broadway, and it is my second time here.

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<v Speaker 2>So the first time I got here, it was really

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<v Speaker 2>fun and I thought this would be a This is

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<v Speaker 2>a really nice atmosphere to play chess in La. Hello, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>how's it going good? So Joe and I have known

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<v Speaker 2>each other for actually not that long, right, Like we've

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<v Speaker 2>known each other but not actually known each other.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time we met probably is somewhere like in

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<v Speaker 3>Vegas probably, like we.

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<v Speaker 2>Never really got to like actually hang out and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then recently we both well, he is the actual

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<v Speaker 2>commissioner for the Collegiate Chess League, so he does a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal for the chess community in college. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was his co host for the Collegiate Chess League, which

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<v Speaker 2>is how we actually got to know each other. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>now we hang out sometimes since play chess.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you want to play with the clock or no?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm down to play with the clock here.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people play at these clubs with no time control,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm personally not a fan of because a big

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<v Speaker 2>advantage of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe is flagging you, so he knows this.

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<v Speaker 3>I've played Nimo before. It's always an honor. She's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>the better player. So if I could get an upset win,

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<v Speaker 3>that'd be great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think Joe honestly understells himself. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually really solid on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>So go let Joe you ready.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was born in jing Jo, a town very

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<v Speaker 2>close to Wuhan in central China, and I lived with

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<v Speaker 2>my grandparents and my parents. My parents took me to

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<v Speaker 2>Beijing around like two, and then they actually ended up

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<v Speaker 2>leaving China for Europe for France when I was pretty young.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't exactly remember like when, but around the age

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<v Speaker 2>of three, my parents took me over to France with them,

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<v Speaker 2>So it ended up being like my start of not

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<v Speaker 2>living in China, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, before then, I was like speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Mandarin, I was learning Mandarin, and then at three my

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<v Speaker 2>parents took me to France. My parents were moving around

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch because they were both academics in the university,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the early two thousands, China was like starting

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<v Speaker 2>to become a bit more open to well open to

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<v Speaker 2>the Russell the world, I guess, and they were also

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<v Speaker 2>sending out students to study abroad and to do research abroad.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that time, my parents were one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first that actually left China to go work in universities

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe. And that's why my dad ended up at

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<v Speaker 2>Sofia Antipolice in Antivue in southern France. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>research center is actually still there, and we've gone back

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<v Speaker 2>to antiv a few times, not specifically to that place,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was working there, so he brought me, he

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<v Speaker 2>brought my mom over, and my parents ended up staying

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<v Speaker 2>in France for a year, and that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 2>I actually started learning French. So my mom was going

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<v Speaker 2>for her I think at that time she had a

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<v Speaker 2>master's in I can't remember what. I only know what

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<v Speaker 2>her PhD is, but I think my mom has a

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<v Speaker 2>master's in like political science or something similar. Anyway, she

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<v Speaker 2>was really really good at English. Like at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when large parts of China didn't really speak English, went

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<v Speaker 2>really familiar with like Western culture and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom was really good at English. Was doing broadcasts

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<v Speaker 2>on TV in English and stuff like that, so her

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<v Speaker 2>level of English was much higher relative to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your average Chinese. And she insisted that I learned English

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<v Speaker 2>from a really young age because of that, and because

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<v Speaker 2>we were you know, moving away from China and we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know when we were going to go back to China.

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<v Speaker 2>So I learned ended up learning Mandarin from obviously my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I still speak with them, but my mom

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<v Speaker 2>also in such that that I learned English, and then

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<v Speaker 2>in like kindergarten and stuff, I would learn French, so

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up speaking like all three languages, like pretty young.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's actually where I started playing chess, was in

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<v Speaker 2>Antibe when I was around three, In like ten months,

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<v Speaker 2>we were walking by to the beach like it's just beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>like southern France is beautiful, and I loved it. But

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<v Speaker 2>we would go down to the beach every day and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a chess club opposite this little bakery, so

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<v Speaker 2>we would. I one day I was like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>want some cookies, and then I went over to the

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<v Speaker 2>chess club saw the pieces and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the shape of the horsey, like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to play with this. So some gentlemen at the club

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<v Speaker 2>taught me the rules of the game. I believe his

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<v Speaker 2>name was Jill. We still like roughly keep like he

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<v Speaker 2>still keeps in contact with my parents every now and

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<v Speaker 2>then and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very wholesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's like, you know, the chess road isn't

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<v Speaker 2>very big and the club was pretty small. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in southern France and I was like pretty quickly beating

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<v Speaker 2>like ten year old kids and stuff like that, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really scared that I'm actually gonna lose my first game.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe is so focused right now, Joe is trying so

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<v Speaker 2>hard a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>To play you last time you were here, so trying

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<v Speaker 3>to make the most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's really fun and chess when you like

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<v Speaker 2>have multiple people that you see regularly, and like you

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<v Speaker 2>can have these matches that can go on forever. Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how you can have like you can sit down,

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<v Speaker 2>set a time for a day and then like play

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<v Speaker 2>against them that day, like five games or something. Or

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<v Speaker 2>you can have like I wouldn't call it a rival

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<v Speaker 2>rivalry between me and Joe, but like you can basically

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<v Speaker 2>just have an ongoing sequence, like you're keeping track, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I think right now, I've probably won two games against

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and maybe we've drawn one.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say that's accurate?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually haven't been keeping as much track.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sorry, I always keep track of my wins and

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<v Speaker 2>losses against my friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Remembers. You're definitely losing at twitch Con and then I

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<v Speaker 3>threw so that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely remember, and I can't remember if we drew that

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<v Speaker 2>game or if I won that game. Oh okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>then I probably don't have any losses currently against Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 2>So Another really fun part about playing in a little

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<v Speaker 2>coffee shop is being able to trash talk. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>rarely get to do that in a tournament. Well, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you're not allowed to talk in a tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>You're also not allowed to have a video, Like you're

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<v Speaker 2>not really allowed to have a phone or anything in

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<v Speaker 2>a tournament at all. Which is why I've always found

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<v Speaker 2>playing and streaming at a little chess club a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more like, I don't know, engaging for me personally, not

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<v Speaker 2>that when I play a chess tournament, it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>my brain isn't on, But here I'm able to like

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<v Speaker 2>distract him. He's currently thinking about what moved. Yeah, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>is thinking about what to do. And sometimes it's great

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<v Speaker 2>because you can use multiple strategies. You can think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I could distract my opponent right now, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>need to do that. He's got a minute fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>on the clock and I have two minutes forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>But my position looks terrible right around.

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<v Speaker 2>For my mom would like just take me to the

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<v Speaker 2>beach every day, and she would come with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't really know how to play chess at all,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I played little Chinese chess with my dad. But

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<v Speaker 2>my mom would just take me to the club and

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<v Speaker 2>I would sit there and learn, and like I would

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<v Speaker 2>learn all the rules and then I would start, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing against other kids and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at home, my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Learned how to play chess because you know, he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter's getting into the game, so we should play

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<v Speaker 2>against each other. And I remember I used to get

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<v Speaker 2>really really mad at him when like he would beat me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think like my competitive streak came out really young,

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<v Speaker 2>but as kind of like a result of me beating

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the kids, like much older kids on

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<v Speaker 2>my club. The people at the club insisted that I

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<v Speaker 2>start playing in regional tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>And in France, they have this.

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<v Speaker 2>Age group called petit poisson, so you are, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's for under eight. I can't even remember exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what age group, but it's like the youngest age group still.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I was like four, everybody's like twice my.

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<v Speaker 2>Age, you know, But I was playing in those and

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I think the very first tournament I played in,

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<v Speaker 2>I came second or third in the regional tournament, and

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<v Speaker 2>that actually led me to play in the national championship.

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<v Speaker 1>For France.

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<v Speaker 2>So I played national championship for France when I was

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<v Speaker 2>like four years old or something. Flagging in chess means

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<v Speaker 2>that your opponent runs out of time, whether they are

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<v Speaker 2>too slow, like like Joe in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm just trash talking him for just for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, but if he runs out of time, if

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<v Speaker 2>his clock goes down to zero, he's going to just

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<v Speaker 2>lose the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what he's trying to avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm trying to do is play faster than him,

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<v Speaker 2>so therefore it makes him use more time. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a big strategy for me, at least personally playing chess.

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<v Speaker 2>It's much less of a strategy for Joe. As you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell he is. He's a tats lower. He's currently

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<v Speaker 2>got thirty seconds and I've got sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty three seconds. Oh, you're coming from my pond. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't trust you at all. Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>move my night back here.

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<v Speaker 2>To age seven because I absolutely don't want to risk

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<v Speaker 2>losing this pawn, and then I'll take with the rook

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<v Speaker 2>on east seven.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll move my king here.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I I don't want to deal with this long diagonal.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there was any specific reason. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like any No, my parents weren't really gaming or they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really play chess. Like obviously, my parents are very

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<v Speaker 2>smart and very you know, they study very hard and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, so maybe I got some of those

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<v Speaker 2>traits from them. And they were both academics, so maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that like really helped with the learning process. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think from a very young age they were

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<v Speaker 2>like pretty aware of how to become good at something,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it wasn't their thing, just because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>becoming professors and stuff like that, it's pretty difficult. So

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<v Speaker 2>the story continues actually because we moved to Finland when

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<v Speaker 2>I was five, like maybe like right around four four

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<v Speaker 2>or five. But they were well, I think my dad

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<v Speaker 2>got a new pause as a researcher in Finland, and

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<v Speaker 2>then my mom started doing a PhD in English in

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<v Speaker 2>this university in Finland. It's called the University of Olu.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty far up north. So we moved there sometime

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<v Speaker 2>either late two thousand and four or early two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five. And I really only remember this because I

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<v Speaker 2>started playing chess in Finland, and the very first year

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<v Speaker 2>I started playing chess in Finland, I won the national

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<v Speaker 2>championships for like under ten boys because they were like

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<v Speaker 2>no female players in Finland at that time, and they

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<v Speaker 2>only had open sections. Because in Scandinavia, like the gender

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<v Speaker 2>equality issue is much less of an issue and like

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<v Speaker 2>they don't really think.

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<v Speaker 1>Twice about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like in I would say, in North America,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like much more commonly acknowledged that you have like

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<v Speaker 2>the women's section and then you have the open section.

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<v Speaker 2>So in chess, women are always allowed to play in

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<v Speaker 2>the open section, but there's also a women's section to

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<v Speaker 2>encourage females from playing chess because historically we've just had

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of issues, Like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, it's just it's there to encourage women to play.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's looking for checkmate, which is very rude. If he

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<v Speaker 2>checkmates me, I lose the game.

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<v Speaker 4>It is part of the game, but it's still very rude.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were friends, Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were trying to do the same thing

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<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, I mean I am, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm a lot further from that than you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, okay, this is my warm up game. If

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<v Speaker 2>I lose it's always a warm up game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it goes in chess. Yeah. So at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the only female player, but I was also

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<v Speaker 2>so young. I don't think I even like recognized, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't care what my gender was at five years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So they didn't have an under eight section, So I

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<v Speaker 2>was playing against kids that were like nine or ten

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<v Speaker 2>years old. And when you're like five years old playing

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<v Speaker 2>against people that are like nine or ten, it makes

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<v Speaker 2>a big difference.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, he's picking up the pace. He got tired

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<v Speaker 1>of the trash talking.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also probably tired of all the times I flagged him,

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<v Speaker 2>so it goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to really make sure that Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know what, that's a good move. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>just took one of my pawns. And I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>that very much because now I am down upon Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>being down material and chess is the worst. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Joe, I am coming to flag you. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's oh oh oh, I missed this. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I super missed this. My game is looking pretty over. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>I am in a big pickle. But Joe only has

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<v Speaker 2>five seconds left on the clock and he's making some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty suspicious some pretty suspicious moves. I lost some time,

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<v Speaker 2>so as you can tell, I was not winning that game, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But because this is like a club game, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is like a friendly game, I'm able to play for

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<v Speaker 2>the flag. And I would play for the flag in

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<v Speaker 2>a tournament anyhow, I would do it anyways. But it

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<v Speaker 2>works better in this kind of setting because usually for

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<v Speaker 2>chess tournaments, time controls are significantly longer. So usually chess

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<v Speaker 2>tournaments have like ninety minutes plus thirty seconds after your move,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, yeah, I play pretty fast in chess

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<v Speaker 2>this time, Joe, you should try to not flag. I

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<v Speaker 2>think your chess is really good. I think the only

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<v Speaker 2>issue you might have is time for sure. Right around

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, I think is when COVID really hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's at school moved online, so I just have so

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<v Speaker 2>much time. And one of my friends had already been

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<v Speaker 2>live streaming for a little bit on twitch before then.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a Stanford graduates and is one of the pioneers

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<v Speaker 2>of like chess on twitch, so live streaming chess and

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<v Speaker 2>that was never really something I'd even thought about at

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<v Speaker 2>that time because I was like done with chess. For

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<v Speaker 2>the most part. I played a couple of tournaments here

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<v Speaker 2>and there. We actually won like a Canadian University championships.

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<v Speaker 2>While I was in Universe, like I was just doing

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<v Speaker 2>chess like on a very chill level, like not on

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<v Speaker 2>the world club stage, just like Canadian school.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she started like getting me into this live

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<v Speaker 2>streaming thing with chess.

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<v Speaker 1>So we played a match on stream and I beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Her ten zero, and people were like really impressed by that,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was like, well, you should come back, we

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<v Speaker 2>should do you should stream.

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<v Speaker 1>On my channel, live stream on my channel.

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<v Speaker 2>And she paid me like basically hourly, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>better than the part time job at that time, which

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<v Speaker 2>was going all the way to like northern Toronto to

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<v Speaker 2>like teach little kids chess. I was getting paid like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe sixty dollars an hour, like sixty Canadian an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I was really good. It was basically the

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<v Speaker 2>equivalent of taking a TA job like at university.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like really happy with that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then with streaming, it was like very convenient because

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<v Speaker 4>I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it from home.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously all the clubs shut down and stuff because

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<v Speaker 2>of COVID, so nothing in person at that time, I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really on the best terms with my parents still

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<v Speaker 2>because of chess, and I just got home and streamed

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<v Speaker 2>at their place for like maybe two months. Like my

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<v Speaker 2>mom still had this mindset that I should be winning

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<v Speaker 2>in chess all the time. And it was really weird,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm doing this because people want to see it,

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<v Speaker 2>not because like people really care that much from winning

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<v Speaker 2>or not, like sure, it's better. And I got really upset,

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<v Speaker 2>and I moved out of the house with my best

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<v Speaker 2>friend and we just got a place in downtown Toronto,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would say that's where things really kicked off.

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<v Speaker 1>Mikey.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice to meet you, Mikey.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nemo. Nemo.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, like the captain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your pieces are set up.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to set up mine on death correct, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will be talking to Yeah, totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, not easy to distract. Not easy to distract. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's amazing, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, good luck, Mikey.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you come to the club off of Mikey I

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<v Speaker 1>do a.

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<v Speaker 2>Regular So currently Mikey is playing the Spanish This is

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite opening. I play as both black and white,

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<v Speaker 2>so I hope you're ready Castle.

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<v Speaker 4>This is very standard so far, and how long have

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<v Speaker 4>you been playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Chess for fifty years?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, well we definitely found someone who's been

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<v Speaker 2>playing chess for longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Than I have. Does mean I'm so strong?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we're going into the chigorin line.

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<v Speaker 1>A gentleman knows this theory, you're correct, but now what now?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the big question?

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<v Speaker 2>So fury in chess is this thing where like you

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of have to know the openings, and theory

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<v Speaker 2>is just the term we use for openings that have

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<v Speaker 2>been previously discovered, for openings that everybody is like well

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<v Speaker 2>aware of. Okay, yeah, I'm going to just take your

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<v Speaker 2>pond back over here.

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<v Speaker 4>So your bishop is has wasted a move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't really ever want to lose tempo in

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<v Speaker 2>chess because you just sort of like it's basically losing

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<v Speaker 2>a move. You lose time, and you don't have that

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<v Speaker 2>much time in life, and you don't have that much

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<v Speaker 2>time in chess.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't get that much time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, I'm actually gonna move my knight back. So

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<v Speaker 2>with tempo, he didn't technically lose a move, but he

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<v Speaker 2>made a move and then brought the piece back to

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<v Speaker 2>where it initially started, so it's kind of like losing

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<v Speaker 2>a move. It's what he wanted to do, so I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't call it exactly losing a move, but it's close.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I signed with an esports organization called Countlogic Gaming. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>they are disbanded now, but back then they were one

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<v Speaker 2>of the biggest esport organizations for Legal Legends. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was really happy signing with them because I was a

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<v Speaker 2>huge Legal Legends fan and they had me on as

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<v Speaker 2>like a chess creator, but also like I could play,

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<v Speaker 2>like play other things on stream, so that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>was mostly just live streaming, and it went really really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's sort of like what led me to move

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<v Speaker 2>to LA because they were based here originally, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of friends that I moved here

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<v Speaker 2>because of doing content, like whether it was YouTube or

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<v Speaker 2>twitch or you know, just like regular influencer stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>should say, they all came here, so I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>move to LA. So a lot of the time when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm playing chess, I have the position already in my head,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he makes a move, he could tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what move he made and I would still be able

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<v Speaker 2>to make my next move just because like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to look at the board to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It just comes from having played so much chess. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where the skill being able.

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<v Speaker 4>To play blindfolded chess actually comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you've played so much chess.

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<v Speaker 2>Like right now, if I close my eyes and he

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<v Speaker 2>said I know, he said played B three, but if

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<v Speaker 2>he just told me the next move, I would still

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<v Speaker 2>be able.

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<v Speaker 1>To be like, oh, I can go rook a to

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<v Speaker 1>D eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single square and chess has coordinates. People think that

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<v Speaker 2>playing blindfolded chess is really really difficult, and sure it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but once you have enough knowledge of the board and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with how pieces move, it's actually easier than

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<v Speaker 2>people think. A lot of the time I would be

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<v Speaker 2>live streaming, and when you live stream, people tune in,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was averaging like probably around one thousand viewers

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<v Speaker 2>like right off the get go, and that was like

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<v Speaker 2>a really big deal on Twitch. Like one of those

0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.000
<v Speaker 2>viewers on Twitch is like pretty pretty massive already. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Esports organization literally signed me on a salary, so

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<v Speaker 2>like I basically am signed to them as a creator.

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<v Speaker 2>If they want to use me for publicity or if

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<v Speaker 2>they want to use me like.

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<v Speaker 1>To do ads or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could do whatever I wanted on stream and

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<v Speaker 2>then a sponsored would pay me to play games for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I would get paid to, for example, have like logos

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff on stream. I would get paid for public

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.160
<v Speaker 2>appearances or like to do ads. I did a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of like commercial ads during the pandemic. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>at the start, I was making about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand a year, and I was like huge, as

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<v Speaker 2>like just a content creator that like had basically never

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<v Speaker 2>done content creation before, like never light stream before.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really really cool. I got to do a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of different media. I got to do like

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<v Speaker 1>my own shoots.

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey's playing really well here. It's very solid, right, very solid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't play very solid against you. It will be

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<v Speaker 3>my last move.

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<v Speaker 2>Making a mistake in higher level chess is usually very

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<v Speaker 2>fatal exactly, not just for Mikey. But if I make

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<v Speaker 2>a really bad move right now in this position where

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey's trying to check Mame, I see what you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do over there on the king side.

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<v Speaker 1>With the knife. So here I have to be very careful.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to let you do what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do, which I think was Queen two age five. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you're correct, I see you're getting rid of my knight

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<v Speaker 2>on the outpost.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to not let you win the pond, though.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't get rid of the Yeah, I can't get

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<v Speaker 4>rid of the nine, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what Mike's rating is. But I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Mikey's really good because he sees pieces that I have

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 2>that are really good and he's like, I don't want

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.159
<v Speaker 2>this piece here, and he's getting rid of them, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a sign of a really strong chess player. I

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 2>started playing poke fairly recently. If you can win in poker,

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 2>it's very beneficial. It makes a lot more money than

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<v Speaker 2>winning in chess. So I would definitely say I've grown

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<v Speaker 2>over the last couple of years from that, like just

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<v Speaker 2>doing a whole wide variety of like different stuff, like

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<v Speaker 2>not just from live streaming. So poker is really awesome

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<v Speaker 2>because it's very similar to chess in a way. The

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<v Speaker 2>game is hard, but I also think that it's easier

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<v Speaker 2>to play than chess because of the luck aspect to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can have less experience in poker and do well,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of what I experienced for my first

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<v Speaker 2>few months of playing poker, Like before this sponsored event,

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<v Speaker 2>I obviously like dabbled a little bit, played a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of like sponsored stuff on stream. I was like making

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<v Speaker 2>a few thousand dollars here and there through sponsorships, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that, like, because I basically had quit competitive

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<v Speaker 2>chess at that time, I was like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. Like I'm never going to become a professional

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<v Speaker 2>League of Life players, so I might as well as

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<v Speaker 2>try becoming, you know, better.

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<v Speaker 1>At this game.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty five seconds, when your clock runs under one minute,

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<v Speaker 2>that's usually when the game gets really dicey. So I

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<v Speaker 2>still have one minute, I have double double your time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bring my bishop out and then play this, just

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<v Speaker 2>trading off Queen's I have a pair of bishops. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I'll play this. Oh and Mikey has flagged unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>Long on time.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course you're facing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yourself and you can thank you very much Mikey for playing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was fun, good game, good game.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So right now I'm probably looking at, you know, continuing

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<v Speaker 2>my streaming career. I'm going to keep live streaming for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit I'm looking to grow, not just necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>in this chess and gaming space, but also in lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been working on like fashion projects and stuff for

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit now, but this year, on the competitive

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<v Speaker 2>side of things, I'm going to be playing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more poker. So that's what I'm most looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, I've done a lot of competitive chests

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. I've played a little bit of competitive poker.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also really want to see, like, oh, if

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<v Speaker 2>I really put some time into a game that I

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoy, how far can I take it? And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really excited for that because there was definitely times when

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<v Speaker 2>I really like playing chess and it felt good and

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<v Speaker 2>it felt good to be winning. So I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>want to, like, you know, see where I can maybe

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<v Speaker 2>go with that with poker.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, thank you, exchange. So this is no, no, don't

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<v Speaker 4>lose your queen. Okay, So Joe almost blunder is queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I almost wondered my wing too, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>This is okay wait wait wait wait wait, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have this move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So blunder and chess is when you make a

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<v Speaker 2>really big mistake, like if you lose your quinn in

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<v Speaker 2>one move that's a huge mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of things that can be a huge mistake. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe is going.

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<v Speaker 2>To lose in this game because I'm gonna get check

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<v Speaker 2>me soon.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, good game, Joe, Thank you for playing. Today

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<v Speaker 1>has been a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to go out and got to play chess

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<v Speaker 2>against some of the lovely members of the LA Chess Club.

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<v Speaker 2>After workdays or after streaming and stuff, I usually try

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<v Speaker 2>to cook myself some food, settle down. I've been recently

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<v Speaker 2>binge watching Alone, which is my favorite show at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of like relax and try to wind

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<v Speaker 2>down for the night because I'm pretty tired typically at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of such long days. So I'm wrapping up

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<v Speaker 2>for bed. To you. Out to God, Rom