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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Today is a little different from my usual routine of

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Speaker 2: getting out of bed, showering and putting on makeup and

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Speaker 2: getting ready for stream. Today, I'm going to be playing

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Speaker 2: some chess over at Downtown LA Chess Club.

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Speaker 1: A large part of my day revolves.

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Speaker 2: Around making chess content, and one of the key parts

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Speaker 2: to making good chess content is finding interesting people to

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Speaker 2: play against it. Downtown LA has a lot of interesting

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Speaker 2: people to play against, so I'm very excited about this.

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Speaker 1: Usually I will live.

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Speaker 2: Stream it on my Twitch channel, but I think I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to record on my camera.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's head out.

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Speaker 2: This is finally a show about a chess grandmaster, online gamer,

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Speaker 1: Hi, my name is Neimo.

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Speaker 2: I am a woman grandmaster in chess, and today we

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Speaker 2: are here to play some.

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Speaker 1: Of the members of this chess club.

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Speaker 2: We're in downtown LA and this is a little coffee

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Speaker 2: shop right on Broadway, and it is my second time here.

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Speaker 2: So the first time I got here, it was really

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Speaker 2: fun and I thought this would be a This is

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Speaker 2: a really nice atmosphere to play chess in La. Hello, Joe,

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Speaker 2: how's it going good? So Joe and I have known

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Speaker 2: each other for actually not that long, right, Like we've

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Speaker 3: The first time we met probably is somewhere like in

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Speaker 3: Vegas probably, like we.

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Speaker 2: Never really got to like actually hang out and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then recently we both well, he is the actual

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Speaker 2: commissioner for the Collegiate Chess League, so he does a

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Speaker 2: big deal for the chess community in college. And I

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Speaker 2: was his co host for the Collegiate Chess League, which

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Speaker 2: is how we actually got to know each other. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: now we hang out sometimes since play chess.

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Speaker 3: Did you want to play with the clock or no?

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Speaker 1: I'm down to play with the clock here.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people play at these clubs with no time control,

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Speaker 2: which I'm personally not a fan of because a big

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Speaker 1: Joe is flagging you, so he knows this.

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Speaker 3: I've played Nimo before. It's always an honor. She's definitely

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Speaker 3: the better player. So if I could get an upset win,

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Speaker 3: that'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Joe honestly understells himself. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: he's actually really solid on the board.

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Speaker 1: So go let Joe you ready.

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Speaker 2: So I was born in jing Jo, a town very

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Speaker 2: close to Wuhan in central China, and I lived with

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Speaker 2: leaving China for Europe for France when I was pretty young.

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Speaker 2: I don't exactly remember like when, but around the age

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Speaker 2: So it ended up being like my start of not

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Speaker 1: But yeah, before then, I was like speaking.

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Speaker 2: So at that time, my parents were one of the

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Speaker 2: So I learned ended up learning Mandarin from obviously my parents,

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Speaker 2: that's what I still speak with them, but my mom

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Speaker 2: I ended up speaking like all three languages, like pretty young.

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Speaker 2: And that's actually where I started playing chess, was in

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Speaker 2: Antibe when I was around three, In like ten months,

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Speaker 2: we were walking by to the beach like it's just beautiful,

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Speaker 2: we would. I one day I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: I love the shape of the horsey, like I want

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Speaker 2: to play with this. So some gentlemen at the club

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Speaker 2: then and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It's very wholesome.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like, you know, the chess road isn't

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Speaker 2: I'm really scared that I'm actually gonna lose my first game.

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Speaker 2: Joe is so focused right now, Joe is trying so

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Speaker 2: hard a chance.

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Speaker 3: To play you last time you were here, so trying

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really fun and chess when you like

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Speaker 2: can have these matches that can go on forever. Like

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Speaker 2: you know, how you can have like you can sit down,

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Speaker 2: you can have like I wouldn't call it a rival

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Speaker 2: rivalry between me and Joe, but like you can basically

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Speaker 2: just have an ongoing sequence, like you're keeping track, Like

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Speaker 2: I think right now, I've probably won two games against

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Speaker 1: Would you say that's accurate?

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Speaker 3: I actually haven't been keeping as much track.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I always keep track of my wins and

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Speaker 3: Remembers. You're definitely losing at twitch Con and then I

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Speaker 2: Definitely remember, and I can't remember if we drew that

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Speaker 2: game or if I won that game. Oh okay, so

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Speaker 2: then I probably don't have any losses currently against Joe.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: So Another really fun part about playing in a little

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Speaker 2: rarely get to do that in a tournament. Well, first

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Speaker 2: of all, you're not allowed to talk in a tournament.

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Speaker 2: You're also not allowed to have a video, Like you're

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Speaker 2: more like, I don't know, engaging for me personally, not

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Speaker 2: that when I play a chess tournament, it's not like

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Speaker 2: my brain isn't on, But here I'm able to like

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Speaker 2: distract him. He's currently thinking about what moved. Yeah, Joe

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Speaker 2: because you can use multiple strategies. You can think like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I could distract my opponent right now, and I actually

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Speaker 2: need to do that. He's got a minute fifty one

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Speaker 1: But my position looks terrible right around.

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Speaker 2: For my mom would like just take me to the

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Speaker 2: she didn't really know how to play chess at all,

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Speaker 2: Like I played little Chinese chess with my dad. But

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Speaker 2: learn all the rules and then I would start, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then at home, my dad.

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Speaker 2: Learned how to play chess because you know, he was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: So I think like my competitive streak came out really young,

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Speaker 1: And in France, they have this.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I was like four, everybody's like twice my.

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Speaker 1: For France.

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Speaker 2: So I played national championship for France when I was

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Speaker 2: like four years old or something. Flagging in chess means

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Speaker 2: that your opponent runs out of time, whether they are

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just trash talking him for just for fun.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but if he runs out of time, if

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Speaker 2: his clock goes down to zero, he's going to just

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Speaker 1: So that's what he's trying to avoid.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to do is play faster than him,

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Speaker 2: so therefore it makes him use more time. So this

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Speaker 2: is a big strategy for me, at least personally playing chess.

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Speaker 2: It's much less of a strategy for Joe. As you

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Speaker 2: can tell he is. He's a tats lower. He's currently

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Speaker 2: got thirty seconds and I've got sixty three.

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Speaker 1: Sixty three seconds. Oh, you're coming from my pond. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't trust you at all. Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: move my night back here.

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Speaker 2: To age seven because I absolutely don't want to risk

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Speaker 2: losing this pawn, and then I'll take with the rook

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Speaker 2: on east seven.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll move my king here.

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Speaker 4: Because I I don't want to deal with this long diagonal.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there was any specific reason. There wasn't

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Speaker 2: like any No, my parents weren't really gaming or they

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Speaker 2: didn't really play chess. Like obviously, my parents are very

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Speaker 1: All Right, he's picking up the pace. He got tired

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Speaker 1: Mikey.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Mikey.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nemo. Nemo.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, like the captain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your pieces are set up.

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Speaker 2: I have to set up mine on death correct, and

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Speaker 2: I will be talking to Yeah, totally fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, good luck, Mikey.

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Speaker 1: Do you come to the club off of Mikey I

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Speaker 2: Regular So currently Mikey is playing the Spanish This is

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Speaker 4: This is very standard so far, and how long have

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Speaker 1: It was really really cool. I got to do a

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Speaker 2: Mikey's playing really well here. It's very solid, right, very solid.

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Speaker 3: I don't play very solid against you. It will be

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Speaker 3: my last move.

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Speaker 2: Making a mistake in higher level chess is usually very

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Speaker 2: fatal exactly, not just for Mikey. But if I make

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Speaker 2: a really bad move right now in this position where

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Speaker 2: Mikey's trying to check Mame, I see what you're trying

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Speaker 2: to do over there on the king side.

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Speaker 1: With the knife. So here I have to be very careful.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you do what you want

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Speaker 2: to do, which I think was Queen two age five. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you're correct, I see you're getting rid of my knight

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Speaker 2: on the outpost.

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Speaker 1: I have to not let you win the pond, though.

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Speaker 4: I can't get rid of the Yeah, I can't get

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Speaker 4: rid of the nine, I think.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know what Mike's rating is. But I think.

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Speaker 2: Mikey's really good because he sees pieces that I have

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Speaker 2: that are really good and he's like, I don't want

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Speaker 2: this piece here, and he's getting rid of them, and

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Speaker 2: that's a sign of a really strong chess player. I

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Speaker 2: started playing poke fairly recently. If you can win in poker,

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Speaker 2: it's very beneficial. It makes a lot more money than

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Speaker 2: winning in chess. So I would definitely say I've grown

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Speaker 2: over the last couple of years from that, like just

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Speaker 2: doing a whole wide variety of like different stuff, like

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Speaker 2: not just from live streaming. So poker is really awesome

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Speaker 2: because it's very similar to chess in a way. The

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Speaker 2: game is hard, but I also think that it's easier

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Speaker 2: to play than chess because of the luck aspect to it.

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Speaker 2: So you can have less experience in poker and do well,

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Speaker 2: and that's kind of what I experienced for my first

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Speaker 2: few months of playing poker, Like before this sponsored event,

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Speaker 2: I obviously like dabbled a little bit, played a couple

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Speaker 2: of like sponsored stuff on stream. I was like making

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Speaker 2: a few thousand dollars here and there through sponsorships, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that, like, because I basically had quit competitive

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Speaker 2: chess at that time, I was like, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: really cool. Like I'm never going to become a professional

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Speaker 2: League of Life players, so I might as well as

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Speaker 2: try becoming, you know, better.

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Speaker 1: At this game.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five seconds, when your clock runs under one minute,

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Speaker 2: that's usually when the game gets really dicey. So I

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Speaker 2: still have one minute, I have double double your time. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll bring my bishop out and then play this, just

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Speaker 2: trading off Queen's I have a pair of bishops. Then

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Speaker 2: I'll play this. Oh and Mikey has flagged unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Long on time.

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Speaker 1: But of course you're facing.

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Speaker 2: Yourself and you can thank you very much Mikey for playing.

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Speaker 1: That was fun, good game, good game.

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Speaker 3: Sure to you.

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Speaker 2: So right now I'm probably looking at, you know, continuing

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Speaker 2: my streaming career. I'm going to keep live streaming for

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Speaker 2: a little bit I'm looking to grow, not just necessarily

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Speaker 2: in this chess and gaming space, but also in lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: I've been working on like fashion projects and stuff for

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Speaker 2: a little bit now, but this year, on the competitive

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Speaker 2: side of things, I'm going to be playing a lot

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Speaker 2: more poker. So that's what I'm most looking forward to

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Speaker 2: is you know, I've done a lot of competitive chests

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Speaker 2: in my life. I've played a little bit of competitive poker.

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Speaker 2: But I also really want to see, like, oh, if

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Speaker 2: I really put some time into a game that I

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Speaker 2: really enjoy, how far can I take it? And I'm

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Speaker 2: really excited for that because there was definitely times when

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Speaker 2: I really like playing chess and it felt good and

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Speaker 2: it felt good to be winning. So I kind of

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Speaker 2: want to, like, you know, see where I can maybe

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Speaker 2: go with that with poker.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, exchange. So this is no, no, don't

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Speaker 4: lose your queen. Okay, So Joe almost blunder is queen.

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Speaker 2: Oh I almost wondered my wing too, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: This is okay wait wait wait wait wait, but I

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Speaker 1: have this move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So blunder and chess is when you make a

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Speaker 2: really big mistake, like if you lose your quinn in

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Speaker 2: one move that's a huge mistake.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that can be a huge mistake. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joe is going.

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Speaker 2: To lose in this game because I'm gonna get check

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Speaker 2: me soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, good game, Joe, Thank you for playing. Today

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Speaker 1: has been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I got to go out and got to play chess

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Speaker 2: against some of the lovely members of the LA Chess Club.

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Speaker 2: After workdays or after streaming and stuff, I usually try

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Speaker 2: to cook myself some food, settle down. I've been recently

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Speaker 2: binge watching Alone, which is my favorite show at the moment,

534
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Speaker 2: and just kind of like relax and try to wind

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Speaker 2: down for the night because I'm pretty tired typically at

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Speaker 2: the end of such long days. So I'm wrapping up

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Speaker 2: for bed. To you. Out to God, Rom