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Speaker 1: You know, my favorite thing in any meeting, my favorite

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Speaker 2: Jack, you got a frame? Yo yo, yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, the sailboat just flipped over it. I

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Speaker 1: And they said, no, they teach you in that in

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Speaker 1: show you how to get it back upright again and

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Speaker 1: everything like that. I thought, okay, so I will be

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Speaker 1: getting wet, I guess. But of course, because of the

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Speaker 1: way I am, having not even taken the classes, yet

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Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook marketplace shopping for sailboats and planning giant

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Speaker 1: excursions and all this sort of seah exactly having not

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Speaker 1: even gotten on this twelve foot sail boat in a

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Speaker 1: man made lake with no wind. Well, there's a guy.

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Speaker 2: Who went on a long screen about the evils of

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Speaker 2: TV and how he should give it up, then showed

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Speaker 2: up with the biggest TV I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: Two days later, I could see you like buying one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty foot still boat. Yeah, I'll be announcing you.

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Speaker 2: You'll be back in six weeks.

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Speaker 1: I'll start wearing the hat all the time Paris. That's

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Speaker 1: a must.

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Speaker 4: You can always go pirate, eye patch, peg leg hook

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Speaker 4: for a hand. Probably the eye patch is the easiest.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it. I would say it is