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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants. My name is John schmelk Our usual Friday

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Speaker 1: podcast coming your way. We're going to do our usual

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Speaker 1: Friday preview with John Kime. That's gonna be with Lance Metal,

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Speaker 1: Bob Papa talks to the Coast of Giants, Brian Dable.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna lead off with my interview with the

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Speaker 1: Giants starting center rookie John Michael SCHMIDTZ. And now we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Giants center John Michael Schmidt. John. I always

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Speaker 1: like to to start with this for rookies. We're about

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Speaker 1: halfway through the year.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know you missed some time due to injury. Do

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Speaker 1: you still feel like a rookie or have you kind

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Speaker 1: of moved past that in your head?

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, it's uh, kind of that's what my

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Speaker 5: thought process is. I mean, uh, I said, you're still

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Speaker 5: a rookie for at least one season and three games,

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Speaker 5: so at least that's how the guys are treating you

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Speaker 5: and all that, but uh, but none in respect for

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Speaker 2: That I have.

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Speaker 5: Very grateful to have the guys and they're leading me,

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Speaker 5: helping me out along with the process.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate those guys.

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Speaker 1: I know it's probably hard to put like your finger

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Speaker 1: on it exactly, but what are some of the things

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Speaker 1: and the most important things you think you've learned since

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Speaker 1: you've gotten here into the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I would just say the sorry about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: can you just ask you again?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I prefaced it purposely that way. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I know it's hard to put a finger on it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've gone through so much. What are some

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Speaker 1: of the things the most important things you think you've

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Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, Uh, it being early in my career playing,

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Speaker 5: I understand that you're gonna make a mistake. That's the

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Speaker 5: biggest thing. That's the first thing that everyone's told me,

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Speaker 5: and especially Bobby, Bobby Johnson and uh, just the older

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Speaker 5: I mess up and let me know, like all right,

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Speaker 5: this is how you should think, and honestly, at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, it just not get frustrated with it, uh,

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Speaker 5: mentality that coach Dable always talks about.

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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, with your personality type, is that tough easy?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't me When I make a mistake in

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Speaker 1: So is that an easy thing for you with your

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Speaker 2: A little bit of both, But at the end of

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Speaker 5: You gotta just kind of throw it out there and

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Speaker 2: But like what we talk about, you gotta flush it

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So you've had Ben Brightison here since you've

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Speaker 5: The season, just what what I should do for recovery

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Speaker 1: How have they helped you making calls on the field

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure you're seeing formations and things teams are

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Speaker 1: How are they helping you do some of that pre

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say our coaches do a tremendous

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Speaker 2: And getting me ready to make the right call.

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Speaker 5: And you know what I mean, it's just like having

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's been a tremendous to me and just

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Speaker 5: Or like going back and forth, especially with Bobby as well,

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Speaker 1: How many snaps did you take with Tommy in the

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Speaker 1: summer because you were mostly with the ones and twos, right,

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Speaker 1: So imagine you probably get a ton of snaps with him, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably a little bit in rookie minnie camp, But

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Speaker 5: for the most part, I couldn't tell you. I really

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Speaker 1: So how has that been trying to kind of get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Tommy's been great to work with. He

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Speaker 5: and has a great mindset to get better. And he

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Speaker 5: knows he's gonna make mistakes. He's a rookie, like we

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Speaker 5: the right mindset to just keep moving on and lead

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Speaker 1: And everyone seems to tell me that he has some

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: His personality, I would just say, yeah, personality like his

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Speaker 1: What are some of the things that in your game

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Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, I'll just say my mindset right now is

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Speaker 5: just can continue to developing the little details, continue to

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Speaker 5: if it's you're aiming point on a d lineman, if

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Speaker 5: little things here and there. So it could be like

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Speaker 5: your timing of your punch too when you're in past pro.

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Speaker 5: So just just those little things. H You Just I

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Speaker 5: kind of look at it as like you're you're never

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Speaker 5: but when you get there, I mean, it's still not there.

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Speaker 2: You can always get better.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I know how much you love to play

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Speaker 1: and how much you've been trying to get better and improve.

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Speaker 1: How frustrating was it when you had to take that

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Speaker 1: step back for I guess almost a month, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: well you couldn't be out there and playing with your guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was hard, it was. It was hard, but

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Speaker 5: I did. I did just everything I could just help

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Speaker 5: right now, I'm just happy to be back and uh

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Speaker 5: competing along with my brothers out there, and uh, let's

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Speaker 1: I had written out it is not in front of me.

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Speaker 1: You missed the first game against Washington correct or or

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Speaker 1: did you play in that game?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So what what have they told you about Deron Paint

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Speaker 1: and what the challenges those two guys are going to

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Speaker 1: be blocking them on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean you talk about some great detackles. Just just

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Speaker 5: it's very They can be very disruptive in the run

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Speaker 2: So we gotta be ready and locked in on our details.

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Speaker 1: You guys have run the ball pretty well as a

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Speaker 1: to stick with it when you're down big, right, What

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Speaker 5: I think our mindset this week is we gotta start fast,

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Speaker 5: we gotta we gotta come out at the gates swinging.

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Speaker 2: We gotta just have that mindset.

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Speaker 5: We gotta set the tone right from the start, and

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Speaker 5: if it's run game, if it's pass game, whatever's called,

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Speaker 5: we got to go and attack it at the end

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Speaker 1: What have you done for fun in New York since

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Speaker 1: you've been here? Has it been all football or have

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Speaker 1: you managed to kind of get out and like enjoy

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Speaker 1: a little bit of New York City?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say pretty much awful, a little bit, a

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Speaker 5: little bit here and there. I go out to dinner

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Speaker 5: once a couple of times in the city and just

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Speaker 5: enjoy it with my fiance and family. So for the

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Speaker 5: most part, got another grind.

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Speaker 1: Have you had like a cool final question, cool like

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Speaker 1: New York moment, like event in the city, game, a play,

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Speaker 1: you know, an event something you did around here that

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Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well this is this is this

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Speaker 1: is the big city. This is New York. This is

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Can you say that again?

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Speaker 1: I really no, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Has there been like one big event something you've done,

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Speaker 1: like a play, a game, something you've gone to where

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Speaker 1: it's been like, all right, well, this is like this

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Speaker 1: what kind of everyone told me about when I got here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what I wanted to do the first

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Speaker 6: Giants wrap up their season with the Commanders this Sunday

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Speaker 4: And so that's what. So it's a combination of of

441
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Speaker 4: Howe's ability to keep plays live and keeping his eyes downfield,

442
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Speaker 4: Robinson's ability just to get open. But he has really

443
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Speaker 4: good hands, and they do because they don't run the ball.

444
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Speaker 4: You don't see a lot of rhythm in the run game.

445
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Speaker 4: But in the past game, I feel like he's a

446
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Speaker 4: strong weapon. There were a couple of times where he runs, like,

447
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Speaker 4: you know, one of those choice routes out of the

448
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 4: backfield and he just dusts the linebacker against Seattle, and

449
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Speaker 4: he's capable of that. He has good hands, and so

450
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Speaker 4: does Antonio Gibson. So I would think you'd want to

451
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Speaker 4: keep getting those guys involved in that and their mentality

452
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Speaker 4: with the offense is like these are extended handoffs and

453
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Speaker 4: all that. That's fine, but those guys can make plays

454
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Speaker 4: in the open field. Androbinson is a really tough runner

455
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Speaker 4: as well, and so they will get him on design screens.

456
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Speaker 4: But they also when the play breaks down, he's how

457
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Speaker 4: will look for him. So it's a combination.

458
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yardage after the catch. I mean John, at the

459
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Speaker 6: end of the day, does it matter if he gets

460
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Speaker 6: five yards on the ground or he gets five yards

461
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Speaker 6: through the air and then maybe gains more.

462
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Speaker 4: They're moving right, They're moving the ball and like against

463
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Speaker 4: New England a couple of weeks ago, they threw the

464
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Speaker 4: ball a ton. They didn't run the ball very well.

465
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Speaker 4: They controlled the ball for thirty seven minutes, so you know,

466
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Speaker 4: like there is now I will say against Seattle they

467
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Speaker 4: get into lalls and we saw this in New York

468
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Speaker 4: in the first game. They get into a wall when

469
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Speaker 4: they can't throw, and then you're getting sacked and you're

470
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Speaker 4: getting really far behind the chains. The inability to run

471
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Speaker 4: hurts him in those situations because there's nothing else to

472
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Speaker 4: go to. And they, to be honest, lance like even

473
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Speaker 4: the summer in the spring, you we'd watch practice, I'm like,

474
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Speaker 4: they don't put They barely worked on the run game,

475
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Speaker 4: and you started to see it, like in some of

476
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Speaker 4: the inside run drills in the summer and all that,

477
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Speaker 4: but the emphasis, the huge emphasis was on the pass game,

478
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Speaker 4: and so you see the lack of rhythm in the

479
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Speaker 4: run game. Overall. They're just not very good at it,

480
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Speaker 4: or they haven't been. And so I think in those wallpays,

481
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Speaker 4: like in the second half against Seattle, they started getting

482
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Speaker 4: going because they had a couple of drives where they

483
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Speaker 4: ran the ball and Pete Carrell even said that it

484
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Speaker 4: kind of started to cause them some confusion later on defense.

485
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Speaker 4: They weren't sure what to expect and they got back

486
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Speaker 4: into a rhythm. So they need to be able to

487
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Speaker 4: do that, but you know, it hasn't been part of

488
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Speaker 4: their DNA this year at all. It's funny because the

489
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Speaker 4: enemy is a former running back, but he's an Andy

490
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Speaker 4: Reid disciple, and we know that Andy Reid likes to throw.

491
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Speaker 6: The ball and he clearly has had influence on Eric

492
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Speaker 6: Bneby's scheme. Here moving forward with Washington, I want to

493
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Speaker 6: flip the script to the defensive side of the ball.

494
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Speaker 6: We talked about the trenches on offense. John, The other

495
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Speaker 6: noticeable change since these last two teams met is the

496
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Speaker 6: flip of the script and the fact that Chase Young

497
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Speaker 6: and Montes Sweat are no longer part of the pass

498
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Speaker 6: or Us traded be for week nine. So James Smith

499
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Speaker 6: Williams and Casey two Hill were the guys that have

500
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Speaker 6: had opportunities to step up. And as we're recording this,

501
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Speaker 6: James Smith Williams is on the injury report with a

502
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Speaker 6: hamstring issues. So a two parter for you. Why has

503
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Speaker 6: the sack production dipped since those two have been traded?

504
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Speaker 6: Is it so simple to say, okay, you removed obviously

505
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Speaker 6: two quality players or is it a factor in those

506
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Speaker 6: two guys that I named are not nearly drawing the

507
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Speaker 6: same level of attention and putting up the same production

508
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Speaker 6: as the two guys that they're trying to replace.

509
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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's all of it. So let's look.

510
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Speaker 4: The first game they played without them was New England

511
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Speaker 4: and Mac Jones. I think Mac it was like a

512
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Speaker 4: hot potato from the ball was a hot potato for

513
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Speaker 4: Mac Jones that week. His average pastime was like two

514
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: point three seconds. That's that's really, really, really fast, so

515
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Speaker 4: they weren't getting pressure on him, in part because as

516
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Speaker 4: now I do know that you know some people here

517
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Speaker 4: if you feel like it felt like if they had

518
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Speaker 4: Montest Sweat, that they they run away against New England

519
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Speaker 4: and that they beat Seattle. And I say Montest Sweat

520
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Speaker 4: because it's that was the name that people would say.

521
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Speaker 4: And so I I you had too, like Chase Young, Monte,

522
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Speaker 4: I gotta start with Montes Sweat. So Montes Swett was

523
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Speaker 4: having a good year. He's not he's never been a

524
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Speaker 4: double digit sack guy, but he's a very good defensive end.

525
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Speaker 4: He can play the run, he's a he's an impressive athlete,

526
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Speaker 4: and his his thing was he didn't finish all the time.

527
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Speaker 4: But he was doing a better job this year with

528
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Speaker 4: that and a little bit more consistent in the pass rush.

529
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Speaker 4: That's a he was a big loss because he's a quality,

530
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Speaker 4: quality defensive end and they did get a high second

531
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Speaker 4: round pick for him, but it's not going to it

532
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Speaker 4: may not help this staff because they may not be

533
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Speaker 4: here to enjoy that high second round pick. Chase Young

534
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: was was a lot more of a freelancer and doing

535
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Speaker 4: his own thing. But you know we saw in that

536
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Speaker 4: first game against and his zoe against Justin Pugh. You know,

537
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 4: now he's out of position there. He got two sacks

538
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Speaker 4: against him, but he can still pressure the guy. He

539
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Speaker 4: just freelanced a lot. And there were times at Tyrod

540
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Speaker 4: Taylor to get outside of the hocket in their first

541
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Speaker 4: game because of Chase Young doing something that he wasn't

542
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Speaker 4: supposed to do in that play. But he was still

543
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Speaker 4: an effective pass rusher. So you take those two guys

544
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Speaker 4: out and there's gonna be a negative impact.

545
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Speaker 1: Now.

546
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Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, they played without Chase Young

547
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Speaker 4: and Montese Sweat for six games. They were both hurt,

548
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Speaker 4: and they went four and two of those games, and

549
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: the defense had a huge improvement overall. But the part

550
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Speaker 4: of the improvement stem from lance that the secondary was

551
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Speaker 4: playing better. They're not playing well now, way too many mistakes,

552
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Speaker 4: and they manufactured more pressures through creative maybe I say

553
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Speaker 4: they creative blitzes, just blitzes and just and a few

554
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Speaker 4: more creative things on third down. They haven't been doing

555
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 4: that and for whatever reason, and so I think those

556
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: things add up as well, like you can't take if

557
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Speaker 4: you take those guys away, you better have other things

558
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 4: behind them that can compensate, and they did then. And

559
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 4: the other part of that is the defensive tab Deron

560
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: Payne and John Allen, whom they paid the big money,

561
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 4: have not been productive at all and they're not making

562
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Speaker 4: the game change the big plays, the impact plays that

563
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Speaker 4: they made last year and the year before that is

564
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: a big factor as well. And it's not just because

565
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Speaker 4: oh they're getting double team because these guys aren't there,

566
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Speaker 4: because like Casey Toohill is a pretty good athlete, Smith

567
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Speaker 4: Williams is not a pass rusher. Really, he's as much

568
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Speaker 4: an end as just an edge setter. But they're not

569
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Speaker 4: getting you know, it's not just because those guys are

570
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Speaker 4: out there that the tackles. The tackles weren't doing anything

571
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Speaker 4: with those guys in there either, not enough. So I

572
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Speaker 4: think I think it's it's it's all. The defense has

573
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Speaker 4: just been bad and the big plays allowed are a

574
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Speaker 4: function of that, and the secondary is a huge part

575
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Speaker 4: of that. And so like they don't have enough to

576
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Speaker 4: compensate for losing two guys who could actually rush the passer.

577
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Speaker 6: I'm glad you hit on the explosive plays because I

578
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Speaker 6: want our listeners to understand. I mean, these numbers jump

579
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Speaker 6: off the page, John, and for not very good reason.

580
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Speaker 6: And NFL wors six hundred and eighty five yards eight

581
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Speaker 6: touchdowns allowed on throws of twenty plus air yards. Now,

582
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Speaker 6: the flip of this is, John, the Giants have not

583
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Speaker 6: been very explosive, as you know, on offense, and they

584
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Speaker 6: don't have Tyrod Taylor. They obviously are going to go

585
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Speaker 6: with the undrafted rookie Tommy DeVito. But if you had

586
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Speaker 6: to hone in, you mentioned part of that is you're

587
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Speaker 6: not getting enough of a pass rush up front out

588
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Speaker 6: of this Washington defense. But they drafted Emmanuel Forbes in

589
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Speaker 6: the first round. I know he's been in and out

590
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Speaker 6: of the lineup. They got the veteran Kendall Fuller. Why

591
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: has this secondary struggled so much?

592
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question, and I always go back to,

593
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 4: like the details of it. And so last year they

594
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: started playing a zone match coverage scheme and it took

595
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Speaker 4: him a little bit to get used to it. In

596
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Speaker 4: the second half of the year they were really really

597
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: good at it. And that's but that's a detailed situation

598
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: and knowing when to pass guys off and how to

599
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: play within that coverage and all that. Well, it hasn't

600
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: been working as well for them this year, and then

601
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: they started going to more man coverage, but I don't

602
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: think they have the corners that can really play that.

603
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: Like Benjamin Saint just will play it, but he's the one.

604
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: Like Tyrod Taylor's first big play against Washington last month came.

605
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Speaker 4: I think it was to Slayton down the right side

606
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: against Saint Jukes. And he's had issues in man coverage,

607
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: and he's very He's aggressive and maybe sometimes too aggressive,

608
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: but it's I think, you know, his strength is more

609
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: I think playing in the zone match, but that's how

610
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Speaker 4: they're using them. And Forbes's issues have altered their rotation

611
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: maybe a cornerback or what they could do, because like

612
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: he has really good skills, but he also has some

613
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: bad habits from college when you could get away with

614
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: certain things against lesser quarterbacks and some lesser receivers at times,

615
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Speaker 4: and I think those those habits are hurting him now,

616
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Speaker 4: whether it's with the eyes, some of its footwork, some

617
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: of it's understanding, like you can't bake quarterbacks in the

618
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: NFL the way you could in college. You have to

619
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Speaker 4: play to your help. Little things like that that they

620
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Speaker 4: don't do well, and then you know, the other thing

621
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Speaker 4: is and it's it's funny because someone's telling us they

622
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Speaker 4: mentioned this guy's name the other day is Bobby McCain.

623
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Speaker 4: He was a veteran with them last year. He's not

624
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: a great player. It's not about how good a player is.

625
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: He was very smart on the field, and their ability

626
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: to disguise coverages has gone down, I think in part

627
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: because they don't have that guy back there. They have

628
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: some youth back there at safety and Percy Butler's a

629
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Speaker 4: second year guy and a first year starter who who

630
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: has gotten better. But he's you know, he's not an

631
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Speaker 4: elite player by any means. That certainly not at this point.

632
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, so there are things that

633
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: you can take advantage of offenially, and I've seen them

634
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: just blow coverages sometimes again it's because of over aggressiveness,

635
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: details with the eyes, or just a miscommunication, but I

636
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Speaker 4: just think so there and again the inability to really

637
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: disguise the way I thought they would be able to

638
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the year has been a factor

639
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: as well.

640
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Speaker 6: So perhaps the Giants adding Bobby McCain in the offseason

641
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 6: hurt the Commanders on the surface, Yes, might take you

642
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 6: away keep personnel well.

643
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Speaker 4: And like I said, and they were okay because they

644
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: had some depth at safety. And it's you know, and

645
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Speaker 4: I don't want to overstate like how good he was,

646
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: but he was a smart player for them, and you know,

647
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: and so when you don't have that, you've got to

648
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: have someone else who can handle that, not just the

649
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: physical role, but also like how do you do this

650
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Speaker 4: and how can you communicate this to this guy as

651
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: to what you're seeing. Those kind of things help And

652
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Speaker 4: again it's not like he wasn't you know, he helped them,

653
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: but he wasn't great, but he was a help. But

654
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Speaker 4: it was also more his knowledge on the field I

655
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Speaker 4: think helped them in situations and I don't And I'm

656
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Speaker 4: not going to sit here and say like he's the

657
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Speaker 4: only reason that they're playing poorly, But I think if

658
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Speaker 4: you want to look at a handful of reasons, i'd

659
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Speaker 4: put that on the list. Maybe it's a little bit

660
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Speaker 4: lower because again, certain guys aren't playing well and they

661
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Speaker 4: didn't develop well. Saying juice mistakes are not because of

662
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Speaker 4: Bobby McCain, it's because he's not learning enough at times

663
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Speaker 4: from some of the mistakes he's a smart player, but

664
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Speaker 4: he hasn't learned enough from some mistakes because he's repeated

665
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Speaker 4: some Emmanuel Forbes, not because of Bobby McCain, because he

666
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Speaker 4: came in with certain habits that they weren't able to

667
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Speaker 4: coach out to him enough in the summertime. But I

668
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Speaker 4: think in the secondary of the safeties, I think that's

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Speaker 4: where you probably miss them a little bit, and that

670
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Speaker 4: you know, so it's one of those factors. If you

671
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Speaker 4: have said five to ten factors, why put them on

672
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Speaker 4: the list, But it's not the primary one.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a fair point, sort of an

674
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Speaker 6: extension of the coaching staff for Jackson. Yeah, to get

675
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Speaker 6: everybody said, and that's certainly a valid claim.

676
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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 6: Before I let you go, I want to go to

678
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Speaker 6: what has been interesting for the Commanders this season. They've

679
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Speaker 6: played eight games decided by one possession. I'm not saying

680
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Speaker 6: they're equivalent to the Vikings of last year, but as

681
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Speaker 6: you will know, Minnesota played eleven games one all eleven

682
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Speaker 6: and you got to walk that fine line in the NFL,

683
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Speaker 6: that's the difference between missing and making the playoffs. What

684
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Speaker 6: do you think has hurt them more in these close affairs?

685
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Speaker 6: Does it come back to the offense not closing the deal,

686
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Speaker 6: or would you say it's the defense not sealing things up.

687
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's well, you know, and it depends on the game.

688
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Speaker 4: So like last week, the offense comes through a two

689
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Speaker 4: fourth quarter touchdowns and it's funny, there's about fifty some

690
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: seconds left, Siatle gets the ball back and I'm talking

691
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: another reporter and they're like something about what do you

692
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: think happens? Like they're gonna they're gonna go down, They're

693
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Speaker 4: gonna hit one big play and they're gonna kick a

694
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Speaker 4: field goal at the end to win. Because that's what

695
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Speaker 4: because you know how this defense goes like, you know,

696
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Speaker 4: like if you want to be aggressive against them in

697
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 4: that situation, you're gonna hit a big play probably, so

698
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Speaker 4: like in that game, Like and then they lost a

699
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Speaker 4: couple of close games of Philly, but they scored enough

700
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Speaker 4: to win both games. So I then against the Giants,

701
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Speaker 4: though the defense was horrible in the first half, two

702
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Speaker 4: hundred some yards fourteen points to a banged up offense.

703
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Speaker 4: Although the funny thing is, like some people here were

704
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Speaker 4: more worried about Tyrod Taylor than Daniel Jones. But in

705
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Speaker 4: the second half, no points control the game. You only

706
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Speaker 4: give up fourteen points, you should win the game. So

707
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Speaker 4: like I'm gonna put that one on the offense because

708
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Speaker 4: of you know, just you give up fourteen you should win.

709
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Speaker 4: I don't care or anything else. And the offense didn't execute.

710
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Speaker 4: It was poor poor some poor play calling, some poor execution,

711
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Speaker 4: you know. Then and then you know, to be honest,

712
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Speaker 4: like for example, the Bears game, which was a blowout,

713
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Speaker 4: but they gave up twenty seven points in the first half.

714
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Speaker 4: They cut it to thirty to twenty, and then the

715
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Speaker 4: offense missed. Like the defense is controlling in the second half,

716
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Speaker 4: and the offense misses a deep throw to term I

717
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: think it was McLaurin, it was or Dotson. The route

718
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: was a little bit off, and so it disrupts a play.

719
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Speaker 4: It should have been a touchdown, it wasn't. They missed

720
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Speaker 4: a field goal. There's five minutes left. Now you're down

721
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Speaker 4: ten with five minutes left in the game's over. But

722
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Speaker 4: it was another chance for them. Where So the defense

723
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: in the second half did its job, and then the offense,

724
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Speaker 4: you know, failed when that needed to. So it's really

725
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Speaker 4: a combination. But I'm going to put a lot of

726
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Speaker 4: it on the d because they've just the defense has

727
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Speaker 4: been horrible. You knew the offense would take some time

728
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Speaker 4: to develop this year, new coordinator, young quarterback, four starters

729
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: at or four new starters along the line, and you

730
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Speaker 4: know that takes time, and it has and now they're

731
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Speaker 4: starting to play better. So the defense needed to be

732
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Speaker 4: a lot stronger overall to prevent some of those situations.

733
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Speaker 6: And this time the defense will have to solve Tommy

734
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Speaker 6: DeVito as opposed to Tyrod Taylor in the second matchup.

735
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Speaker 6: And your point is well taken about the offense, because

736
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Speaker 6: if it wasn't for the muff punk by Sterling Shepherd,

737
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Speaker 6: who knows if the Commanders e right points on the

738
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Speaker 6: board a great point, supremely short field they had trouble

739
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Speaker 6: punching in having to go maybe eighty to ninety yards.

740
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Speaker 6: He is John Kime, He covers the Commanders or ESPN

741
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Speaker 6: NFL Nation reporter John can't take you off. Always great

742
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 6: catching up with you. Appreciate the inside and look forward

743
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Speaker 6: to the game.

744
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745
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756
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Speaker 1: our normal cleanup hitter, the head coach to the Giants,

757
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: Brian Dable, who's with Bob Pop.

758
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: The Giants take on the Washington Commanders.

759
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Speaker 8: Giants beat the Commanders a couple of weeks ago over

760
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 8: at MetLife Stadium, as always, were joined by the head

761
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Speaker 8: coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable and coach Obviously,

762
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Speaker 8: as you come into this game this week, haven't played

763
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Speaker 8: Washington a few weeks earlier.

764
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Speaker 3: Do you expect a lot of changes or can teams

765
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Speaker 3: or is it too hard for teams to change a

766
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Speaker 3: lot in a short period of time?

767
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know.

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Speaker 9: Washington's evolved over here in the past few weeks, particularly

769
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Speaker 9: in the passing game. Obviously they throw the football up,

770
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Speaker 9: but they're doing a good job of getting it out

771
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 9: using quick screens, screens, three strip drops, and then they

772
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Speaker 9: are able to attack the field vertically, particularly when you

773
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Speaker 9: get in the fringe, and you know, I'm sure we'll

774
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Speaker 9: see some downfield shots relative to you know, what transpired

775
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Speaker 9: last week against Dallas, So you know, particularly on the

776
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 9: defensive side of the ball, we'll have to be ready

777
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Speaker 9: to go. And then offensively, they have some new players

778
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 9: in there. We have some new players. You know, there'll

779
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 9: be a different quarterback, a different tight end, a different

780
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Speaker 9: line combination, so different matchups throughout the game.

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Speaker 8: I want to ask you first about Sam Howell, who

782
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Speaker 8: coming into this weekend actually leads the NFL in passing

783
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Speaker 8: yard and she's had three consecutive three hundred yard passing games. Coach,

784
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Speaker 8: you know, it seems like, I know, he's been sacked

785
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Speaker 8: a lot, but it feels like, you know, his decision

786
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 8: making is evolving a little bit more and more, and

787
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 8: he's using the running backs. I don't know if Gibson's

788
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 8: gonna play, he's got a toe injury, but Robinson not

789
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Speaker 8: only handed it off to him, but also using him

790
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Speaker 8: in the passing game.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and then some of those were scrambled scramble plays

792
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Speaker 9: where you know, he had a three step play, he

793
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 9: escaped out to his left. Brian did a good job

794
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Speaker 9: of going down the sideline. He found him there. He's

795
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 9: doing a good job of extending plays and keeping his

796
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 9: eyes downfield and giving those guys opportunities. And then you

797
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 9: know they have good skilled players. Obviously we know McLaurin

798
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Speaker 9: with Samuel and Dotson, and you know they're a pass

799
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Speaker 9: first team. So they throw the ball offten and he's

800
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Speaker 9: done a good job.

801
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Speaker 3: So let's go to the other side of the ledger.

802
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Speaker 8: When you look at them defensively, the last time you

803
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 8: played them, they had Montes Sweat and Chase Young. Those

804
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 8: guys had a combined eleven sacks when they got rid

805
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 8: of those guys. So their pass rush is not the

806
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 8: same as configured. Have you noticed are they trying to

807
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 8: blitz more since they lost those guys or are they

808
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 8: kind of doing the same thing and just hoping that

809
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 8: other guys can step up and make up for that

810
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Speaker 8: production that's out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think coach del ridd is a good job

812
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Speaker 9: of mixing things up. You know, we got a steady

813
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Speaker 9: amount of pressure and some man and man coverage and

814
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Speaker 9: you know they play their quarters or to Tampa, and

815
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Speaker 9: you know he does a good job of keeping you

816
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Speaker 9: off balance.

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Speaker 3: Those guys play extremely hard.

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Speaker 9: They're talented players, and the two inside players create issues

819
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Speaker 9: really for everybody else on that defense.

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Speaker 8: When you look at explosive plays, coach defensively, they've given

821
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Speaker 8: up nineteen pass plays of over thirty yards. I think

822
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Speaker 8: seven of them have been fifty plus ers against them.

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Speaker 3: Is it too simplistic to just.

824
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Speaker 8: Say, oh, man, we got to just take you or

825
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 8: is it more like, you know, we got to build

826
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 8: throughout the course of the game the opportunities to then

827
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Speaker 8: take those shots.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it'd be important how we execute on

829
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Speaker 9: first down, whether that's you know, the run game, the

830
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Speaker 9: quick pass, drop back game, the play action game, and

831
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Speaker 9: try to keep him off balanced in terms of how

832
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 9: we call the game so they have to defend the

833
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Speaker 9: entire field.

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Speaker 8: I want to ask you about Tommy DeVito, who obviously

835
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Speaker 8: made his first start last week and you didn't get

836
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Speaker 8: the results you were looking for as a team and

837
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Speaker 8: the production that you were looking.

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Speaker 3: For as a group.

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Speaker 8: But when you start went back and looked at the tape,

840
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Speaker 8: what were some of the positive things that you saw

841
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Speaker 8: that he brought to the table in this game. That

842
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 8: encourage you moving forward heading into this week.

843
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Speaker 9: Yeah, tough start obviously on the road at Dallas, you know,

844
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 9: two series to start out and backed up. But I

845
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 9: thought he settled in, had a few good drives, made

846
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 9: good decisions, you know, went for the deep ball again

847
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 9: to hide it and they'd made a nice play on

848
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Speaker 9: the on the football. But competed all the way through

849
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Speaker 9: and we'll just try to keep improving him.

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Speaker 8: The confidence level of the team obviously, when you come

851
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 8: off a game like you came last week, you know,

852
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 8: fans they're in the tank like the entire week. Can

853
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 8: you share with the audience a little bit what it's

854
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 8: like as a coach and as a player to not

855
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Speaker 8: go into that fan tank and just kind of keep

856
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Speaker 8: things business as usual.

857
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Speaker 9: Yeah, try to be consistent with our approach, which is,

858
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Speaker 9: you know, you have some wins last year and you

859
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Speaker 9: stay consistent. It's never as good as you think when

860
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Speaker 9: you win. Certainly you have to be a lot better.

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Speaker 9: Don't want the results that we have twenty four hour rule.

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Speaker 2: We're you know for for.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four hours.

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Speaker 9: It's it's tough sledding, you know, you put a lot

865
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Speaker 9: into this. You work extremely hard and you know you're

866
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Speaker 9: looking to get the results that everybody wants.

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Speaker 2: But then you have to move on.

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Speaker 9: There's a there's a next game, and you have to

869
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Speaker 9: get your mind right in terms of your preparation for

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Speaker 9: in this case, it was Washington, so that you can

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Speaker 9: put your best product on the field for that particular week.

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Speaker 8: And finally, coach, you know, just from your own perspective,

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Speaker 8: is that something that you know you're you tend to

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Speaker 8: be a very upbeat guy in and around the building.

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Speaker 8: Have you had to make have you had to make

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Speaker 8: a conscious effort to make sure that you project that

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Speaker 8: same image throughout the course of the building so that

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Speaker 8: everybody can kind of feed off that positivity and show

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Speaker 8: that consistency not only to your football team, but everybody

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Speaker 8: that works in the building that there's that confidence in

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Speaker 8: a coach stable hasn't changed one bit whether it's a

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Speaker 9: Sure, and that's you know, that's what I pride myself on,

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Speaker 9: is consistency. Uh, you know, don't accept the results, do

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Speaker 9: everything you can do to try to improve those but

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Speaker 9: there's a process that we go through and our preparation

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Speaker 9: is important. How you are around the building is important.

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Speaker 9: You know, I have confidence in the people in our

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Speaker 9: building and certainly disappoint it with the results, but focused

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Speaker 9: on improving those and I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's the job of a leader coach. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: the time is always best of luck this afternoon. Thanks Bob,

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Speaker 3: appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We thank all of our guests for joining us on

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Speaker 1: The Giants Total Podcast, Brian Dable and Bob, Papa Lance

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Speaker 1: Schmidz who joined me to kick off today's episode. Great conversation.

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