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Speaker 1: Friction maxing. What the hell could that possibly be? It's

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Speaker 1: one more thing, I'm strong andy, one more thing before

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Speaker 1: we get to that. New York Times had this article.

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Speaker 1: I knew TV backlighting was cool, I didn't expect it

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Speaker 1: to be such a powerful upgrade. I had not heard

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Speaker 1: of this concept now. Led lighting, as this guy writing

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Speaker 1: the article talks about, really got hot during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: For some reason. I think it was like the technology

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Speaker 1: just happened to meet it at a time when everybody

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Speaker 2: My time to change their light fixtures.

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Speaker 1: But they got super cheap, like these light strings Led

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Speaker 1: light strings. I mean they're so cheap. My son has

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Speaker 1: them all around his room. He's at them for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. They burn out. The other day we

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Speaker 1: went and got brand new ones for a total of

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Speaker 1: like eleven dollars. I mean, they're just so cheap, and

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Speaker 1: you can really make your room look cool different colors,

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Speaker 1: and then you can have them, you know, for an

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Speaker 1: extra five bucks. You can run it off your Wi

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Speaker 2: What Am I a hippie in this scenario? I've got

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Speaker 2: lamps like normal people.

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Speaker 3: The TV ones are must have.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so interesting this backlighting thing, he says, for very

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Speaker 1: little money, you get these led strips that you put

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Speaker 1: if your TV goes to a dark scene or a

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Speaker 1: red scene or a light scene, whatever the general color is,

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Speaker 1: the lights light up in the back of the TV.

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Speaker 1: And he says, you can't explain until you've seen it

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Speaker 1: whole immersion TV experience on your big screen TV til

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Speaker 1: you get these backlights. And so you've done it.

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Speaker 4: Katie, Yeah, I did it as a surprise for Drew

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Speaker 4: con It is like you said, it's like the string

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Speaker 4: it sticks to the back of the TV and then

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Speaker 3: Of the TV so it can pick up the colors

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Speaker 4: And as you're watching, it'll do this lights sequence that

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Speaker 3: And it is so cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, two questions, are you are you on mushrooms

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Speaker 2: right now? Are you answer the question?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think I get the appeal exactly.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Is it that the whole it's real and you're there

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Speaker 4: It just and I really can't explain it either other

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Speaker 4: than it just enhances what you're watching.

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Speaker 1: That's a word this guy used, an immersion. You're just

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Speaker 4: Mean, even when you're watching sports, it'll change, you know,

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Speaker 1: All I know is now this reviewer and you, that's

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Speaker 1: two people that say, you can't believe how cool this is.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just going to take their word for it

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Speaker 1: and get it myself. And it's cheap. Most most examples

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Speaker 3: Sheep, easy to show sheep.

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Speaker 1: And super easy put up. So I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I totally believe that I'll appreciate it when

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Speaker 2: I see it. It occurs to me it could be

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Speaker 2: something like it includes what you're seeing in front of

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Speaker 2: we perceive the world. I mean, if I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I will explain on the Monday, because

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it this weekend and try it out

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Speaker 2: What do they call it back of the TV led?

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Speaker 1: He called it led backlighting? TV backlighting is what he

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Speaker 1: got TV back enough. So check that out now, So

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Speaker 1: now you know about it.

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Speaker 2: Some shrooms, damn hippies.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that that is. But do we know

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Speaker 1: what friction maxing is? Let's listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: Friction maxings is the process of building up our tolerance

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Speaker 5: for quote inconvenience. One way is to stop sharing your

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Speaker 5: locations that you have to ask, where are you stop?

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Speaker 2: You seeing?

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Speaker 1: Stopping again? I got I had this problem earlier in

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Speaker 1: the show. We played it right. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you TikTok people haven't killed your selves already. If this

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Speaker 3: Speed it up. There, there's a feature you can.

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Speaker 1: But why why do you want to be made nutso?

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Speaker 2: Well, it is making people crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's making them crazy. But people have to watch your

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you pointed out earlier. If I can't

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Speaker 1: So that might actually be the point. Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Well, well, that's young people that got the attention span

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Speaker 2: second lest they say I need more input mar stimulation.

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Speaker 2: All right, orphins.

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Speaker 1: I had that experience you were talking about with one

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Speaker 1: my son, and he's like, he's got his phone in

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Speaker 1: No, I'm interested. Well you're not watching it? Yeah I am. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it looks to me like you're looking at your phone

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Speaker 1: and me and other things just as much as the TV.

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Speaker 2: It's just the way I do it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Then you do the woman thing and go all right,

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Speaker 4: well then what just happened that we're watching?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.

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Speaker 3: You have no effing idea?

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Speaker 1: Can I use that tone?

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Speaker 3: Of voice totally, why not?

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Speaker 1: But like, where are you making your husband watch some

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Speaker 4: I can't remember what we were watching it, but something

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Speaker 4: his phone every time I looked over, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: do you should we just turn this off? He said,

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Speaker 4: I'm watching it and I went, all right, well, then

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Speaker 4: what just happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, That's what happens.

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Speaker 1: There is something annoying about your sitting down to watch

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, it is because you're supposed to be having

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Speaker 2: a communal experience, a shared experience, and they've opted out

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: And then I'll laugh or I'll say oh my god

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Speaker 1: It's annoying and nobody.

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Speaker 2: Is ever Lord, forgive me for using this phrase in

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Speaker 2: the moment. Nobody has ever invested in what they are

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Speaker 2: doing entirely, which is where the joy is. But you know, people,

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Speaker 2: good luck. It's telling me and Joe Getty's in Woods

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Speaker 2: Mellow in the f out commune or if we're doing

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Speaker 1: That thing right. And you have to read your pamphlet

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Speaker 1: before you join Where the joy is you go there

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Speaker 1: and get your joy on.

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Speaker 2: And the disclaimer form is long, by the way, hold harmless.

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Speaker 1: Still don't know what friction maxing is because this person

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: Friction maxings is the process of building up our tolerance

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Speaker 5: locations that you have to ask where are you? Stop

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Speaker 5: using chatchigoti, buy a cookbook, text your friends for advice,

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Speaker 5: go to the grocery store, invite people, abore without cleaning,

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Speaker 2: It reminds me of what's the trend slow uh something

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Speaker 1: Slow food?

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Speaker 2: Slow food, yeah, the whole don't order your groceries and

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Speaker 1: So is the friction just the it's it's a bigger task,

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Speaker 3: Two of them annoyed me.

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Speaker 4: One Joe pointed out earlier inviting people over without cleaning first.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't help us proof.

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Speaker 4: And as a female, if someone asks where are you

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Speaker 3: It's going to be hard for me to answer. So

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Speaker 2: Well right, and my wife and I have our locations

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just wanted to know where you are.

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Speaker 1: Well you don't like those examples, that makes sense. But

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Speaker 3: Of I like the cookbook idea.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can think of an idea.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, no, that one is so weird. And every

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Speaker 1: time I do it, my experience maybe years of differentkatiye,

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Speaker 1: day and I had direction, but he's oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I was texting them something and they called me back

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Speaker 1: instead of taking I don't I am I in a

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Speaker 1: position to take a call here? I guess I could.

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Speaker 1: What might they say? I don't know. I pressed the

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Speaker 1: I had. It was fantastic. I mean it was. It

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Speaker 4: Okay, that that situation makes sense. But if you're just

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Speaker 4: just a shit chat, uh huh Nope, that's that's me,

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Speaker 4: and you've cornered me.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you can't let it go to voicemail. I've

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Speaker 3: Do you know my phone's in my hand?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm free enough to text, but you

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have trapped you. I'm in surgery right now.

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Speaker 1: I was texting. But you know, I totally.

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Speaker 2: Get that and get a new Kenny.

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Speaker 1: I was texting it right before I went into surgery.

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Speaker 1: They're cutting on me right now. I'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 2: Click. But that feeling of dress this is some I'm

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Speaker 2: We have let the muscles of this will be fine

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Speaker 1: Well, we're the last generation that we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: Now, somebody I know is it's fall phoning me and

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's literally already communicating with them right now.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's so strange. I don't even know what was

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Speaker 2: It's unhealthy as hell, it felt.

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Speaker 1: It really is like I don't know if I felt attacked,

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Speaker 2: Guys like yeah, oh oh great, Now I've got to

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Speaker 2: I hold you, dear, I love you all right, I

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. That is so weird. And again

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Speaker 3: You've got your phone me, Why are you calling.

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Speaker 2: The hell?

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Speaker 1: Very funny Michael.

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Speaker 2: Although the kids increasing numbers are putting down their phones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I got one kid that thankfully is perfectly okay with,

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Speaker 1: how can you order for me? I just I don't

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Speaker 1: a quarter pounds of cheese and fries. Okay. But I

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Speaker 1: ordered cheeseburger and then came over to the.

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Speaker 2: Registry, just came right over the counter, you mother. These

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Speaker 2: poor kids will never know what it was like to

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Speaker 2: make a good crank call.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess that's it.