1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know? 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuckers Bryant. 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: And since two of us are sitting together again and 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: it's not lunchtime, um leg wrestling time, that's true. This 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: means it's a stuff you should know? Right? Yeah, what's 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: up to? How are you, Josh? I'm good. We just 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: got something in today that I want to give a 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: shout out of thanks for to our friend Martin van Nostri. 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: Did that come in today today? Okay? He kept emailing 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: us pestering me has it not come yet? Like I like, 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm the postmaster general or something like that. But anyway, 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: he sent us each a T shirt and the new 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: CD of his band, The Bangalore's in Vitro Meat is 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: the name of the album, and it's pretty awesome. I 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: haven't listened to it yet. I just got it. Can't wait. 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: He sent us some some songs off of it already, 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: some previous cuts. Yeah. He was the first person to 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: record the Stuff you Should Know song like in two 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: thousand eight, you remember, well, yeah, and I think he 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: has a toxoplasmosis song on the new one, right he does. Yeah, 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: we've inspired a lot. I think he released a whole 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: album of stuff you should know songs really yeah, and 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: like quick little punk songs to like a minute and 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: a half. So there's like fifty of them. But anyway, 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: thanks a lot to Van Nostrin. We won't say his 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: real name, but we know it. We do, finally, we 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: didn't for a long time. But anyway, if you feel 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: like checking that out, it's um the Bangalore's like the 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: city in India, and the album is in vitro meat 32 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: and we'll probably get in trouble for endorsing this, so Chuck, 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: you want to get to it. Yes? Have you ever 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: heard of some dumb laws? Yeah? Man, there are some 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: dumb laws in this great land of ours. For example, 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: if I may, I've prepared to a shortlist. In Alabama, 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: bear wrestling matches are prohibited. It's illegal to sell peanuts 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: in Lee County after sundown on Wednesday. It would be 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Lee County, Alabama. Did you give a reason for that one? No, 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: there are some This is from I think dumb laws 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: Dot com and um. They have like just international laws, 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: state laws, local laws, and then under some of them 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: they have like full text of the law or why 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: this law exists. It's pretty comprehensive site. UM. In Hawaii, 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: coins are not allowed to be placed in one's ears 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: for spending only. Um. All residents may be fined as 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: a result of not owning a boat. You're going to 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: Hawaii tomorrow right or a couple of days. I dare 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: you to put a coin in your ear and walk 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: around and be like, I don't own a boat. I 51 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: don't own a boat. Chumps um back in our fair 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: state of Georgia, to legally use profanity in front of 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: a dead body which lies in a funeral home or 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: in a corner's all us that's respectful law, okay Um. 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: In Ackworth, which is close to Keennessaw where I grew up, 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: where you had to own a gun, I didn't know this. 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: In Ackworth, all citizens must own a rake. Really yeah, 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: not a blower? A rake? I think a blower. That's 59 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of like asking a lot of some some of 60 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: the lower income classes, you know. UM. In Athens on Mondays, 61 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: it's illegal for one to whistle very loudly after eleven pm. 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: What but on Monday's And then California, of course, is 63 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: going to have some zany laws. They have tons and 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: tons of wacky dumb laws. Animals are banned from mating 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: publicly within fift feet of a tavern, school or place 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: of worship. Women may not drive in a housecoat in Fresno. 67 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: Getting drunk in a playground is against the law. That 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: is sound. I don't agree with that one. That's sensible. Uh. 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: And then in Los Angeles it's illegal to wear a 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: zoot suit. Yeah still still so I bring that up, 71 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: and I knew Chuck with like that last time, because 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's stories behind almost all of those zany laws, 73 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: or at least there's some reasoning. People don't just make 74 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: up crazy laws like bear wrestlings. I'm sure it got 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: out of hand once and now they're just like, that's it. 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: It's illegal. So Chuck and I actually know the reason 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: why zoot suits are illegal in Los Angeles County, California, 78 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to tell you about it today. It's 79 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty neat. This little article started off as a bit 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: of a a lark. I don't know, but we thought 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: zoot suits. Those are interesting and cool, but it's more 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: than a suit, as it turns out, it really is. 83 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: It was at least you should probably mention, like, what 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: is a zoot suit, Chuck. Everybody's seen them before. Yeah, 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen thirties. Uh, they were very much 86 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: in fashion, especially in UH in uh Latino communities, in 87 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: African American communities coast to coast. Though it seems like uh, 88 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Caesar Chavez, Malcolm X, Cab calloway, big band leaders, the 89 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: jazz scene in New York all very much associated with 90 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: zoot suit. Tomcat from Tom and Jerry, Yeah, who was 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: going after a girl and she said she was a 92 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: square and was corny and he goes out and gets 93 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: some a zoot suit and becomes a cool cat. Cool cat. 94 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: So you'll know a zoot suit. They were originally worn 95 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: made of wool and then later rayon, but you'll know 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: it because they're very distinct. They have very broad, padded shoulders, 97 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: very long waisted coats. Uh. Suit pants were worn really 98 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: really high, like up over the belly and uh, we're 99 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: very tight at the top, then ballooned out like mc 100 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: hammer style and then tapered back down again at the 101 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: ankle or we're pegged. Oh of course, yeah, that's not 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: you achieved that look. And um, the jackets exaggerated contours 103 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: and colors. A lot of times they would wear the 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: big pocket chain that went down to their knee and 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: the hat with a feather and it was pointy shoes. Sure, 106 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: um so they If it sounds a lot like, um, pimps, 107 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: seventies pimps, where to you not too far off? I 108 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: guess I think you could make an argument that it 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: was a predecessor of that. And in fact, you mentioned 110 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: Malcolm X favorite Zoot suits. I didn't realize this today, 111 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: but in researching zoo suits, Malcolm X used to be 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: called Detroit Red, who was in fact a pimp. Yeah, 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: and he apparently got his education in Harlem and became 114 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Malcolm X. Did you not see the movie? Yeah, it 115 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: was good. From what I remember from the awesome Spike 116 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Lee movie was that he was into the zoot scene 117 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: earlier and then once he you know, became Malcolm X 118 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: and uh not, what was his original name, Shabaz? Yes, 119 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: I believe so, Malcolm Shabaz. So once he became Malcolm 120 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: X and got serious about the civil rights, he ditched 121 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: the zoot suit and stuff, and was a little more 122 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: traditionally garbed right. Um another way, So the zoot suit 123 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: you you just nailed it on the head. You said, 124 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: the zoos suit scene, it was very much part of 125 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: a scene, part of the Harlem renaissance. Um. It was 126 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: part of the pacho scene out in Los Angeles, which 127 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: we'll talk about, Pacho, pachuco, pachuko. I used, I like 128 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: slang on top of slang, so I call it pacho. Um. 129 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: And so it was kind of the uniform of a 130 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: certain kind of scene, apparently, the upscale black nightclubs of Harlem. 131 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Like if if you saw an African American man walking 132 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: around wearing a zoot suit, you're like, that guy is 133 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: a high roller and he knows how to get into 134 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: the good clubs. I thought you were gonna bust out 135 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: some cab callaway slang. Well, you mentioned cab Callaway was 136 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: one of the the people who love zoos suits. And 137 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: he wrote a dictionary of slang, of jive slang. Thank you. 138 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: I could not be square if I tried, um, And 139 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: one of the one of the words that he put 140 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: down was zoo, which he says means exaggerated. It turns 141 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: out that there's a whole lot of mystery surrounding the 142 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: origins of zoot suit. But if I may, in Cab 143 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Callaway's jive slang, describe what his zoots suit looks like, 144 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: you did a great job in normal, square, corny terms. 145 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: But if you want to talk like a hepcat from 146 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: the jive jump zoot suit era, you would describe it 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: as a killer dealer coat with a drape shape, real 148 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: pleats and shoulders padded like a lunatic cell. Well, it's 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: interesting that he said drape because originally they were known 150 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: as drape suits and even advertised as extreme quote extreme 151 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: drapes in newspapers. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, so the zoos 152 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: is hanging out there. It's kind of weird. Ralph Ellison 153 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: wrote about Um wrote about it in As an Invisible Man. 154 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: His novel The Narrator encounters Um three young and extravagantly 155 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: dressed blacks in their zoot suits, and he says that 156 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: they were the stewards of something uncomfortable. So he's saying, like, 157 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: there's just it's almost like it was. It's the same 158 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: as if you're if you saw a bunch of rave 159 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: kids wearing like the stupid pants, yes in the nineties 160 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: or whatever you know, or or hip hop kids today. 161 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: It was this. It was the same thing, except this 162 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: was much more upscale than that. But it was basically, 163 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: people have trouble walking in but they're still gotta have 164 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: that look, you know, because that's what the cool kids 165 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: do exactly. So this was you could argue, the original 166 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: American version of counter culture dress, and it grew out 167 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: of Harlem and was later adopted by um Mexican Americans 168 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: or Latino Americans in Los Angeles. Yeah, what's this one 169 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: bit that it could have originated in Gainesville, Georgia? How 170 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: about that? So, yeah, there's a lot of there's some 171 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: origin stories, right and yeah, and they're none of them 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: are the same, right and and they're all very different. No, 173 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: but I do like that when you're talking about from Gainesville, 174 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: what isn't Yeah, they a man, a bus driver, I'm sorry, 175 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: bust worker named Clyde Duncan from New York um came 176 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: back to New York with one and said he bought 177 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: it in Gainesville, Georgia and allegedly, uh, he had been 178 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: inspired by Gone with the Wind and wanted to look 179 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: like rhet Butler and so got a Taylor in Gainesville 180 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: to make him this thing. I'd like to go with 181 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: that story. And well, the New York Times put that 182 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: story forth and they said it basically on it quickically 183 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: in and um that was the story for many many 184 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: years until historians actually started to put real effort and 185 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: thought it into the zoot suits, um, and they found 186 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: that there it's possibly true, but most likely, uh, it 187 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: came out of either guys like Cab Callaway wearing them 188 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: or guys like Cab Callaway copying people in the jazz scene. 189 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: And then you know, it basically going forth like that. 190 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: And ultimately it seems that it did come out of 191 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: this era, whether it was uh this Clyde Duncan fella 192 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: who had the idea originally or whatever, you can basically 193 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: say the Harlem Renaissance zoos suits came out of that. 194 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: And you know, I knew that. I did not know 195 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: of its association within the Latino and largely Mexican community. No, 196 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: but that's where like really started to it switched when 197 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: it hit the Latino American community. Before it was just 198 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: like I'm wealthy, I can get into good clubs. I'm 199 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: part of this club scene in Harlem. Um, when it 200 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: hit Los Angeles and was taken up by the Pacos, right, 201 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: um square, Uh, it changed, it transformed, it turned into 202 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: something political and became ultimately a sign of defiance. Yeah. 203 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: In the World War Two, you know, everyone knows that 204 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: there was there was rationing going on everything from food 205 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: to metals and ultimately wool and cloth. So where in 206 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: a zoot suit which required an abundance of cloth was 207 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: deemed not patriotic because you're basically flaunting, Hey, I don't 208 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: care about the war effort. I'm gonna wear my zoot suit. 209 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: That's more important to me, right exactly. So, um. In 210 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: in the forties, the war production board basically said we 211 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: need to cut back all fabric used in the States 212 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: by and to help you, here is the new American suit. 213 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: It's streamline, it uses less fabric. As long as you're 214 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,119 Speaker 1: making stuff, according to these, um, these sketches, you're patriotic, 215 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: you're American, You're within the law. Right. Uncle Sam wanted 216 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: to squear tight clothes pretty much. And if you think 217 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: about if you look at the suits in the fifties 218 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: and sixties and after the forties, Um, the American the 219 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: classic American suit is narrow, narrow cut, the cuffs are high. Yeah. Um, 220 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: so I wonder if that came out. I'm sure, but 221 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: you can take what they were saying a different way, 222 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: and that Uncle Sam's telling you would dressed like this 223 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: and everybody dressed like that. So zoot suits immediately became, 224 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: um a symbol of defiance. Anybody who wore him was saying, 225 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, up yours, Uncle Sam. Uh. And it was 226 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: ultimately illegal to manufacture or advertise as zoot suit or 227 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: anything that fell outside of those American suits. So incredibly, 228 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: bootleg and underground tailors grew up to make and sell 229 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: zoot suits, and at the same time, especially in Los Angeles, 230 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: it had an association with UH gang activity, criminal activity, 231 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: and thuggery, largely because of newspapers that would call them, 232 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: you know, zoot suitors committing crimes. They would you know, 233 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: label people in its particular clothing as being criminals. Essentially. Yeah. Well, 234 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: racism is definitely nothing new in this country, and it 235 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: was hot and heavy in the late thirties early forties 236 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles among um it was mainly targeted I 237 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: think toward Latino Americans. But it's not like African Americans 238 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: didn't get the brunt of it as well, but basically 239 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: it was white people in California were like, hey, there's 240 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot of you these days, so you're making us 241 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: a little nervous, and um, you wearing the zoos suit 242 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: is easy to target. It just so happened that the 243 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: group that they were targeting was actually kind of homogeneous 244 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: people who wore zoos suits, kind of wore them in defiance, 245 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: but also identified themselves with them. Right, the pachos. It 246 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: was a statement of independence, not necessarily thumbing your nose 247 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: at the United States, but just hey, I'm independent, I'm Latino, 248 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm living in Los Angeles nineties and this is our look. 249 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: So the pachos, Yeah, the pachucos, the pachos. I'm seeing 250 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: pachos right here. Octavio pa said, pachoss Yeah, okay, Um, 251 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: So the pachos were it's They weren't an import from Mexico. 252 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: They were a real American hybrid. They were second generation 253 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: um Latino American kids who, ironically, because of the war effort, 254 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: were latch key kids. Their parents were off working the 255 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: night shift um for war production, and they were basically 256 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: left to them. Their own devices. They called themselves twenty 257 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: four hour orphans, the first latch key kids, and um, 258 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: they were also arguably the first rebels, and out of 259 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: their emergence in America, UM came the whole concept of 260 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: juvenile delinquency. Yeah, I love that one quote from Octavio 261 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: pass And I read that he said the zoot suit 262 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: was a symbol of love and joy or horror and loathing, 263 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: an embodiment of liberty, of disorder, of the forbidden. So 264 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: it was this single fashion item was at the same 265 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: time asserting your independence and individuality as well as what 266 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: white folk saw as thumb in their nose, the white 267 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: man basically, Um, and I guess that's exactly what they 268 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: were doing, because, as you said, like, they weren't necessarily 269 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: wearing the zoos suit as a statement, and they weren't 270 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: anti war protesters, but it was more like, you know what, 271 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm sick of you racist white people, and I'm I'm 272 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: not going to hide my identity. I'm not going to 273 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: try to blend in. I'm not going to go back 274 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: to my traditional roots from Mexico because I wasn't born here. 275 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna, you know, join the service and 276 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: wearing American suit like like, so this is this was 277 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: the compromise, and it kicked white people off like crazy, 278 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: especially in Los Angeles. Yeah. Well, at the time, in 279 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: southern California, there was an enormous presence of UM service 280 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: men who were waiting to ship out to the Pacific 281 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: Theater from California. Yeah, and they were, you know, rubbing 282 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: elbows with these guys that a lot of people thought 283 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: were members and zoot suitors, and they rubbed elbows not 284 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: in a very good way either, which you know, ultimately 285 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: led to the zoot suit riots. But there were some 286 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: pretty striking events that led up to that summer. So 287 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: one of the things you said you mentioned was that 288 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: they were getting negative press, right, so people in zoot 289 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: suits were associated with things like um, uh, let me 290 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: see quote, um, the record already reveals killing stabbings in 291 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: cases of innocent women having been molested by zoot suit gangsters. 292 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: That's from the Los Angeles Examiner. And uh. The article 293 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: was titled police must clean up l a hoodlumism, which 294 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: is not a word, right, But so so there's this 295 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: joint effort of UM just general racism among whites in 296 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: the in the general public um and servicemen waiting to 297 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: be deployed specifically, and the Los Angeles media kind of 298 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: fanning the flames, that's right, and then this Sleepy Lagoon 299 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: murder happened. The Sleepy Lagoon case. Sleepy Lagoon, Josh was 300 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: a reservoir by the l A River. It's not there 301 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: anymore in that pastag not at all, like a plastics 302 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: plant there now there's no reservoir. Yes, so don't go 303 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: looking for it, even though they said it's uh, roughly 304 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: it was atlass And Boulevard in Maywood. I know where 305 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: that is actually. I think it's on the way to 306 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: the airport. Uh so the Sleepy Lagoon case. UM. At 307 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: the time, Mexican Americans were denied access to public pools 308 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: and swimming holes and stuff like that, so they used 309 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: Sleepy Lagoon as a big hang out where they would 310 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: go and listen to music and swim and have a 311 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: good time. Um. In August to uh, the body of 312 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: Jose Diaz was found at this reservoir. And what I 313 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: gathered there was a big party, like a big house party, 314 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: where a fight broke out and one guy ended up 315 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: getting killed, and as a result, they rounded up read 316 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: four hundred Mexican American youths had a corrupt trial where 317 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: they basically denied the many civil rights, cooked up evidence, 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: had no evidence, had no physical evidence, had no witnesses, 319 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: nothing of the sort. And they basically pinned that murder 320 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: on twelve guys. Is that right? Nine kids? Nine kids, 321 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: but they railroaded nine with no evidence that the guy 322 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: had even been murdered. And eventually the Sleepy Lagoon Defense 323 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: Committee and the U. S. District Court of Appeals overturned 324 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: that as a miscarriage of justice. Right, but the damage 325 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: was already done. Yeah, and his killer, incidentally, was never found. 326 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: They never singled anyone out, which is sad. That's kind 327 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: of lost a lot of times, I think. But at 328 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: the same time, you can't just cook up a case 329 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: against dudes that were there and say that they did 330 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: it exactly. So Um. The press attention that the Sleepy 331 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: Lagoon case received just fan the flames further and further. Um. 332 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: And then uh, in June, know May of that's when 333 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: things really started to take a term for the worst. Um. 334 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: I guess about a dozen servicemen I think Navy boys 335 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: were um down in East l A. And uh, a 336 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: few of them approached some girls. One of them kept walking, 337 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: and the one that kept walking past a group of 338 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: pouchos who were wearing zoot suits, and when when he 339 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: passed um one of them apparently raised his hand and 340 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: what the guy took as a threatening manner, so the 341 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: serviceman grabbed his arm, and right after that everything went 342 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: black because somebody knocked him over the back of his 343 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: head with something and he fell and broke his jawn 344 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: in two places. Okay, they gotta see it, but before 345 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: they even react, the the pouchos jump them, and these 346 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: eleven other servicemen fight their way out and fight their 347 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: way over to where the guy is laying, the guy 348 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: who's knocked out with the broken jaw and him and 349 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: get him out of there. So this is not This 350 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: is not bode well for UM Mexican American white relations 351 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles in ninety A few days after that, like, 352 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: revenge is on the mind of everybody after news of 353 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: this gets out, Yeah, big time, especially in the military community. 354 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: And basically sort of the same thing happened Main Street 355 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: East l A on June three. Eleven sailors got off 356 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: a bus and there were words with a gang of 357 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: young Mexicans. And when I say gang, I should say group, 358 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: and we shouldn't say necessarily Mexicans. The likelihood was that 359 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: they were Mexicans and authorities, but there they were Latino Americans. 360 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I tried to get to the whole bottom of the 361 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: word Chicano as well. I know hispanic is from Ronald Reagan? 362 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: Is it? And it's basically it insinuates that everybody from 363 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Central or Latin America or South America comes from Hispaniola. Well, 364 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: and what I found from Chicano was that it was 365 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: a derogatory term early on, very negative of but it 366 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: meant specifically Mexican American. And then later I believe they 367 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: some some of them chose to embrace that word pride. 368 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah there's sixties. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I don't know 369 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: where it stands today, so say it. Uh So they 370 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: ran into this group of young Latinos dressed in zoot suits, 371 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: gotten an argument. The sailors, of course, claimed that they 372 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: were jumped, although it's unclear exactly how it started, and 373 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: the l a p D responded and with a group 374 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: of off duty officers and on duty officers, officers calling 375 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: themselves the Vengeance Squad and they basically took it upon 376 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: themselves to clean up the streets of East l A 377 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: to the cops rough house style. The cops, including off 378 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,959 Speaker 1: duty cops, took on the name the Vengeance Squad and 379 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: went down to the Latin American Quarters, Latino American Quarters, 380 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: and just started beating people up. Yeah, and this really 381 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: really set off what would be known as the zoot Suit. 382 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: Right the next day, on June four, about two hundred U. S. 383 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Navy servicemen jumped in a bunch of taxis, went to 384 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: East l A. And a caravan, yeah, and a caravan 385 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: like a mob essentially, and started beating up Mexican kids, 386 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen year old boys, clubbing them, stripping them 387 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: of their clothes, burning their clothes. Those are That was 388 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: the first group they encountered, and a bunch of adults 389 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: tried to intervene. They got Club two. Then after that 390 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't just people wearing zutsus, it was any Latino 391 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: American that they saw. They stormed movie theaters, they stormed bars, 392 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: they stormed like and yeah, they pulled them off the 393 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: street cars. Yeah. They and black guys got caught up 394 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: in it too. African American guy on on the street car. 395 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: And I think it wasn't watts Um who was pulled 396 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: off and beat into a pulp by servicemen just because 397 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: he happened to be sitting there and was black. It 398 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: was literally a riot and it was perpetrated by white 399 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: servicemen for several days. It was known as the Zutsu riots. 400 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: Ops were there, but they had orders to not arrest 401 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: any of the servicemen, so they were kind of given 402 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: carte blanche for a few days. So for a few days. 403 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: Finally the Los Angeles City Council comes to it since 404 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: its in bans the presence of any servicemen um in 405 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: that area of Los Angeles and issues in ordinance whereby 406 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: zoos suits are prohibited. And in the end, a hundred 407 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: and fifty people were injured in the riots. Police arrested 408 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: more than five hundred Latinos on charges ranging from riding 409 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: to vagrancy. And I don't know if any servicemen were arrested. 410 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: I think a bagel number is probably a good guess. 411 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't find any. Let's not say it didn't happen, 412 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: but my feelings it was probably a hero and they, 413 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, the local press got ahold of this and 414 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: called it a quote cleansing effect and said it was 415 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: a pretty great thing going on in the city, when 416 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: in fact it was one of the darkest, some of 417 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: the darkest days of Los Angeles in their history. Pretty 418 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: sad it is. It's pretty sad and strange story. Yeah, 419 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: do you, I mean, is there anything else do this? Um? No, 420 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: I don't. The aftermath is I'll sell you. One interesting 421 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: thing from the article was that years later, young Russian 422 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: Soviet UH teenagers would wear zoot suits as an act 423 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: of defiance against communist against communism, So this article of clothing, 424 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: this fashion statement, was a lot more than that. It's 425 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: pretty interesting, and this is one of those weird moments 426 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: in history where it's not just like, did you know 427 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: the zoot suit caused this riot and then you find 428 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: out that it didn't. Really, this genuinely started it. This 429 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: was part of this made um these the pouchos easily 430 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: identified targets. The whole reason they were wearing it was 431 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: out of defiance, and it just irked the establishment, like 432 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: the zoot suit caused these riots. It's crazy. It is crazy, 433 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: um and had another lasting legacy, if I may it, 434 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: um it juvenile delinquency. The whole concept of that coming 435 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: out of this area in this era, um I believe 436 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: gave rise to the like a slew of great movies, 437 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: Rebel without a Cause, The Wild Ones and If I May. 438 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: I was a teenage Werewolf starring Michael Landon, who was 439 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: a character settled with a terrible affliction of throwing milk. 440 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: So there's this little clip. I would like to say, Okay, 441 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: I put you out of fight three times myself in 442 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: the last month. You're just lucky to want any formal 443 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: complaints the time before this and the supermarket it was 444 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: the checker's mistake, but you didn't even give him a 445 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: chance to rectify. At Boom, you throw a cart in 446 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: the milk right at him contained bowline growth hormone, and 447 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: he turned into a giant cow. So that was the 448 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: Mystery Science Theater three thousand take of Michael Landon and 449 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: his milk throwing problem awesome, which probably wouldn't have existed 450 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: had zoot suits not coming about. I've never heard of 451 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: that movie. I Was a teenage Werewolf. Yeah, I wonder 452 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: if they picked him because of his huge mound of hair, 453 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: maybe because he did look kind of Werewolf. He right 454 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: out of the kids close. Yeah, even without the Mr 455 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: Science Theater three thousand guys um discussing it. I guess 456 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: just fun to watch it is. It's it's kind of 457 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: a cool movie. Yeah. I look forward podcast on the 458 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: Stonewall Riots. We're gonna cover that soon too. That's another 459 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: overlooked blight of American history. Yes, we like to point 460 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: these out. Um. If you want to learn more about 461 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: all the stuff we talked about, like Cab Callaway's job dictionary, 462 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: you should search for that on your favorite search engine. 463 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Yeah, you could also search for zoot 464 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: suits Smithsonian. Um then'll bring up a pretty cool article 465 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: from I think like four it's pretty comprehensive. And then 466 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: of course the article on our own beloved side is 467 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: excellent as well. You can type in zoot suits, zoot 468 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: space s U I T S. If you haven't known 469 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: what we've been talking about this entire time, you want 470 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: to type that into the search bart how stuff works 471 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: dot com. And since I said search bar friends neighbors, 472 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: it is time for a listener mail. You know some 473 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: of that drive Cab Callaway, jazz drive is still like 474 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: a few of those words I recognize it's still being used. 475 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. Oh yeah, he established a lot 476 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: of them. Um Like, I'm not nearly cool enough to 477 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: speak like this on a regular basis, but that's all 478 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: I want in life. Really Like Corny came came from 479 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: this era really groovy okay, Um, i'd say groovy a lot. 480 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: Moo juice for milk. I've never heard that. You've not 481 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: heard that. Um, there's Buddy G as a guy like, thanks, 482 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: Buddy G. I've heard that. Um, but it's g h 483 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: e okay, Um, crumb crushers for Keith Night, freebie, no charge, 484 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: broadest free that that came in there, give me some skin. 485 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: It all came out of this era pretty yeah, And 486 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: we would not have one of the better parts of 487 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: the movie Airplane if if Cab Callaway and his cronies 488 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: head and to come up with this. And I wish 489 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: I had one cell of my body that was as 490 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: cool as Cab Callowe loves he was a cool dude, 491 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: you know. Miny the moocher like has a lot of 492 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: drug references in it. Yes, Smokey is cokey, He's like cocaine. 493 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: And they talked about kicking the gong around, which apparently 494 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: smoking opium and many actually. In the extended version, Um 495 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: is taken to an asylum where she dies, and that's 496 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: why the song ends with poor men play or man, 497 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: poor man? All right, Josh, I'm gonna call this, uh 498 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: polygraph inside scoop. Oh yeah, that's a pretty good one. 499 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Did anybody ever offer you a polygraph test? That's right now? 500 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: Just listen to podcast, oh, he said, Dear Josh, Chuck 501 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: and Gary, I just listen to your podcast on polygraphs. 502 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: I thought my personal experience might add a little to 503 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: the discussion. I was asked at one point in my 504 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: life to submit to polygraph exams as a witness and 505 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: a crime. I was interviewed by two different polygraphers at 506 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: different times. One piece of equipment I did not hear 507 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: you describe was a pad that you sit on, which 508 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: registered whether or not you fidgeted during questions. I'm glad 509 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: you said fidgeted instead of what. Okay, this may not 510 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: be standard, though, because only the first examiner and used one. 511 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: I was not given a pretest like you described in 512 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: either case. However, they did tell me all six of 513 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: the questions in advance and uh, which is sort of 514 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: like a pretest. I guess yeah, he just didn't have 515 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: to answer them, and the polygrapher asked him to make 516 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: sure he understood all of the six questions. Uh. The 517 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: first was something like are their lights on in the room? 518 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: And in both cases there were questions like are you worried? 519 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: I will ask a question we did not go over. Uh. 520 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: Then I got different versions of the same question, for example, 521 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: did you see a man in a blue jacket? Or 522 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: was a man wearing a blue jacket at the scene. 523 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: After the questions were done, I got a break from 524 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: the machine. Then I got all the questions again in 525 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: a different order, followed by another break, and then another 526 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: round of the same questions. Asking each question in a 527 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: different way multiple times was apparently to reduce the possibility 528 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: of reporting the false reading. But I did notice a 529 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: couple of hinky things guys. For example, the first examiner 530 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: had me closed my eyes so that the readings would 531 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: be guaranteed to be in response to his questions. The 532 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: second guy did not ask me to do so, and 533 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: when I asked him if I should, he said it 534 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: didn't matter. Pretty interesting. You also mentioned techniques for fooling 535 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: a polygraph, according to a sign in the waiting room. 536 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: These techniques can actually cause false positives more than false negatives, 537 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: though it's probably a biased source. Although yeah, also they 538 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: ask you to keep your feet flat on the ground 539 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: through the tests of the tack trick. Wouldn't be possible, 540 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: that is for Matthew, and Matthew says I, by the way, 541 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: am one of the few listeners who would be thrilled 542 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: if you included tribal drums in the background of your episodes. 543 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with you reading listener mail throughout the whole time, 544 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: all those combined with the track of us just doing 545 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: our thing right. So is that why we're hearing this 546 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: right now? Weird? I hadn't noticed it. Interesting. When did 547 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: that start? I don't know where it is? Well, okay, well, 548 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: thank you Matthew. Um. Also, we want to thank our 549 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: house band of tribal drummers, and we want to thank 550 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: our producer Jerry for bending to our every whim. Yeah, 551 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: if you have any info about a cool little piece 552 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: of history that may be overlooked, we want to hear 553 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: about it, and we may even podcast about it, and 554 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: we may even be courteous enough to give you credit 555 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: for bringing it up. Yeah. Uh. 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