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Speaker 1: Play Around the NFL podcast Wolves Andy, don't it a Beer?

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Speaker 2: Hello, cart Daddy.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.

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Speaker 4: My name is Dan Hansis comes to you from a

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Speaker 4: virtual room filled with heroes across Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, What was that?

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Speaker 2: Carrot Daddy?

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Speaker 3: Jason Zumol, Thank you. Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Wellton is one of the rare gentlemen. I wish I

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Speaker 2: was one of these that just gets better looking as

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Speaker 2: he gets older.

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Speaker 5: I thought he's become distinctly better looking in fact last year,

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Speaker 5: and I know we just sort of had an air

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Speaker 5: of confidence and eased his game as well. But we'd

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Speaker 5: see him on the sideline compared to early career. He

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Speaker 5: almost had like a dashing villain look to him at times.

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Speaker 4: Well it's the it's the chiseld eyebrows that were crying

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Speaker 4: out for something that compl and then a very healthy,

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Speaker 4: masculine beard came in and away we go.

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Speaker 3: But enough about that. We're going to get to Andy Dalton.

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Speaker 4: But first let's welcome in. In this very important episode

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Speaker 4: of the off season where we do break down the

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Speaker 4: Dalton scale, we have to bring in a heavy hitter.

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Speaker 4: So here she comes from ESPN the Queen of NFL Media,

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Speaker 4: Mina Kimes.

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Speaker 6: Wow, hello, thank you for joining me. Fourth appearance? Now,

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Speaker 6: fourth appearance?

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Speaker 2: What fifth?

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Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not keeping track.

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Speaker 2: We should do that.

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Speaker 4: We should do that SNL thing where you if you

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Speaker 4: are on the show five times, you get a jacket.

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Speaker 6: I would love that. I would love it. Greg has

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Speaker 6: been on my podcast, The Menichime Show featuring Lenny definitely

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Speaker 6: more than five times, so I think the scales are

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Speaker 6: still tilted in your guys' favor in terms of me

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Speaker 6: owing you appearances.

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Speaker 2: You've got to get gregto Yeah, I need a co

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Speaker 2: I never brought in chips as you did when you

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Speaker 2: got sick on the way to your first appearance. I

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Speaker 2: think on this show on the way and have to

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Speaker 2: stop at a gas station to puke, I believe. But

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Speaker 2: I also have never sat next to you in first

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Speaker 2: class on the way to the super Bowl, which which

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Speaker 2: Mark did, and I feel like we should at least

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Speaker 2: find out a little more.

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Speaker 5: I felt lucky to do that. I thought it was

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Speaker 5: you know, I think for both of us. You know,

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Speaker 5: when you sit down and it's like do we talk

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Speaker 5: or do we pretend we're now reading a book with

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Speaker 5: headphones on it was a brief flight out of Burbank

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Speaker 5: to Phoenix, and so it was just the right amount

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Speaker 5: of time where I wasn't starting to question myself, like

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Speaker 5: am I truly just annoying Mina at high levels?

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Speaker 6: At this point, you were not annoying me. And it

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Speaker 6: was the perfect length because I think if it was

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Speaker 6: let's say, the super Bowl was in Indianapolis or something,

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Speaker 6: or you know, I did a three hour plus flight right,

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Speaker 6: one of us at some point would have had to

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Speaker 6: transition to putting on headphones, opening a book, but not

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Speaker 6: so Burbank to Phoenix perfect for a conversation.

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Speaker 7: Real time.

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Speaker 4: And I remember, you know, once Greg and I because

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Speaker 4: we flew out of a different airport, Rendezvoud, and we

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Speaker 4: ended up at a super Bowl party that Mina was at.

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Speaker 3: Mina came over.

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Speaker 4: And because she's class act, said hi and everything, and

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Speaker 4: she was like, yeah, I was next to Mark Sessler

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Speaker 4: on the plane and it was a wild conversation.

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Speaker 3: And then I go to Marc.

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Speaker 4: I said, yeah, you were next to Mina on the

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Speaker 4: a regular conversation.

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Speaker 3: It was. So I would love to know the details

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Speaker 3: of this conversation.

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Speaker 7: At some point I thought it was enriching. I'll just

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Speaker 7: I'll describe it as that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's between me and Mark to so I'm make

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Speaker 6: guys jealous.

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Speaker 4: The Minachimes Podcast, The Minachimes Show featuring Lenny, ESPN all over.

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Speaker 4: In fact, if you go, if you were to like

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Speaker 4: find this is how many shows Mina is on on ESPN.

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Speaker 4: If you were to go find one of those old

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Speaker 4: like hunting and fishing shows that ESPN would air before

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Speaker 4: Sports Center in nineteen ninety two, you would find a

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Speaker 4: young Mina comes on one of those fishing games. That's

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Speaker 4: that's true story. Find it and you'll and you'll thank me.

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Speaker 4: And now she's giving us just a little bit of

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Speaker 4: her time. Today we're going to talk the Dalton Scale.

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Speaker 4: How familiar are you with the Dalton Scale.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get to a little later, but it's

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Speaker 3: just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I know the Dalton Scale. I've heard you guys

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Speaker 6: talk about it. It's not a great episode to be

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Speaker 6: it's a scale that is positioned to enrage fan bases.

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Speaker 6: Because no fan base wants to be told that their

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Speaker 6: quarterback is the prime meridian. It's just not it's somehow

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Speaker 6: more insulting than you know, being a rebuilding told you're

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Speaker 6: alienate one fan base.

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Speaker 2: Well, you don't want to be one of those NFL

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Speaker 2: media people out there. I'm not going to name any names,

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Speaker 2: but I see their strategy, and their strategy in the

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Speaker 2: off season is pump everyone up and so that every

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Speaker 2: great about ownership like they don't have enough, like people

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Speaker 2: talking nice about them, like talk great about the executive

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Speaker 2: just nice, nice, nice all off season. That's not what

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Speaker 2: you get here. We look for mediocrity. Thought.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say, you don't like the

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Speaker 4: people in our business who basically rip off this idea

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Speaker 4: is ip of around the NFL. Can't wait to talk

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Speaker 4: about it, But first, let us do a little bit

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite tailor?

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Speaker 4: Seff song?

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Speaker 8: Too many, too many to count anything off of folklore.

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Speaker 8: Probably August the one going way back. I would say, Uh,

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Speaker 8: New Year's was it newsday or news Newsday? That's a banger. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: how he picked this one. But if I picked one album, definitely.

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Speaker 4: Folklore, so on brand that Aaron Rodgers would be sitting.

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Speaker 4: I picture him sitting in the woods somewhere, maybe on

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Speaker 4: a bluff and Malibu, listening to the one uh and

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Speaker 4: Folklore in general on repeat and just getting real deep.

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Speaker 5: Man, Dan, I gotta ask you, like, are you uh,

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Speaker 5: We're getting a lot of Aaron Rodgers and it's you know,

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Speaker 5: I think he's been if anything, warmed up and open

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Speaker 7: Are you enjoying this experience?

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Speaker 5: I know you were a little hesitant going in to

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Speaker 4: I am enjoying having Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback of

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right. I mean that was very political

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Speaker 3: I mean, he dropped some deep cuts there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, okay, the one by the way, which is

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Speaker 4: the lead track on Folklore, is like I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you're a swifty or anything close Mina, but that

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Speaker 4: would be careful with because you're you're a nostalgic guy

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Speaker 4: with you'll post the photos of camp happiness and things.

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Speaker 4: That's the one, like if the one that quote got

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Speaker 4: away or the one that you have regrets about Swift?

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Speaker 3: Now that one?

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Speaker 4: So I wonder who Rogers is talking about in the

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Speaker 3: They should say.

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Speaker 6: They have a lot in common. Aaron Rodgers and Taylor

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Speaker 6: Swift both provocative, loyal fan bases, divisive, talk a lot

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Speaker 6: about their exes. I guess he doesn't talk about his exes.

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Speaker 6: He's got a string of exes. And now we'll see

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Speaker 6: what he says about the Packers.

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Speaker 3: But oh no, is he gonna end up together?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 6: I would say this whole season is kind of like

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Speaker 6: an Aaron Rodgers song about the ex Maybe I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know tall individuals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe this offseason, Mark, and maybe this is the

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Speaker 4: all too well ten minute version where it's just gonna

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Speaker 4: and start with uh, let's do some rule stuff.

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Speaker 3: Real quick here.

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Speaker 4: The NFL owners voted on Tuesday to approve resolution that

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Speaker 4: allows players to fare catch kickoffs with the resulting possession

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Speaker 3: This is in many ways tied to.

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Speaker 4: Player safety, of course, and in other news the Thursday

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Speaker 4: flex scheduling for Thursday Night Football a modified proposal. The

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Speaker 10: This flex has been part of our scheduling for quite

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Speaker 10: be used judiciously if at all. It's a very limited

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Speaker 6: How about you with the flex aspect. Yeah, I am

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Speaker 6: kind of surprised that anyone can gin up really strong

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Speaker 2: Why I know it's one it is. I know it's one.

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Speaker 2: It is, And you're saying you can't get imagine anyone

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Speaker 2: move it. So immediately I was like when I saw

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Speaker 2: My daughter, who loves the rams, will has been looking

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Speaker 2: it gets moved to Sunday, which is Christmas. She will

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Speaker 2: on Christmas anyways. But uh, there We're not gonna go

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Speaker 2: it works. So Thursday night's the only chance I would get.

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Speaker 2: And if it, if it moves, unbanked.

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Speaker 4: Greg aheads, let Greg take a Sunday off and take

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Speaker 5: I've long said that we should each during the lengthy

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Speaker 3: Thank you, you know what.

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Speaker 2: It made for good podcasting, and I do want to

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Speaker 3: Right. In other news, Lamar Jackson is.

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Speaker 4: Are you buying all in on stock that Lamar is

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Speaker 6: I'm so overleveraged on Raven's offense stock that my house

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Speaker 6: But I yes, everything they're selling. Everything I read about

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Speaker 7: They're leading receiver like mine was.

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Speaker 5: The taste, well, it's like you had an MVP quarterback

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Speaker 9: What I want is stable management upstairs. I think that's

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Speaker 5: want I want to put myself in the best position

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Speaker 5: to not be in a rebuild, but be with a

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Speaker 5: team that has all those things he mentioned. It's like,

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Speaker 5: why not move him? Why is he on this roster

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Speaker 5: right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, based on what we've heard and kind of the

445
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Speaker 4: rumors out there. The line here, and thank you to

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Speaker 4: Eric behind the Glass for transcribing this. I want a

447
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Speaker 4: QB who loves the game, a QB who you know,

448
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Speaker 4: brings everybody on board with him and pushes not just himself,

449
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Speaker 4: but you know people around him. You know, I don't

450
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Speaker 4: need a great QB. And like, it's funny just because

451
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Speaker 4: I think the a lot of people say, oh, Kyler

452
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Speaker 4: Murray is a great QB, but then there's all this

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Speaker 4: other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Does feel a little subtweetye I agree he did.

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Speaker 2: He did follow it up because I think he realized

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Speaker 2: how it sounded, and he's like, I believe Kyler loves

457
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Speaker 2: the game and they have a nice new GM, but

458
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Speaker 2: you know, Kyler is not going to be around. And

459
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Speaker 2: Cole McCoy loves the game too, but you know, you know,

460
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Speaker 2: you know, and he started like bad, but he he

461
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Speaker 2: you can you can tell what he's what he wants.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get him, Let's get him a new home.

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Speaker 3: You know what I want. I want to talk Dalton scales.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break, Let's go and do it.

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton.

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Speaker 1: This is the prime meridian of NFL quarterbacks. He represents

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Speaker 1: quarterback purgatory. If you are ranked below Andy Dalton, your

468
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Speaker 1: franchise needs a quarterback. If you're ranked above Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 1: you're in ship shape. Everything's figured out. You're good to go.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I thought Chris wherever he is, would

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Speaker 4: get a kick out of his fine words over the

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Speaker 4: bed of Sam Spence. The NFL films this is Dalton

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Speaker 4: Scale twenty twenty three, and West said it perfectly.

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Speaker 3: We are looking for.

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Speaker 4: Well, me know, we're not looking for Andy Dalton anymore.

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Speaker 4: Andy Dalton is the patron saint.

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Speaker 3: Of the Dalton scale.

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Speaker 4: He's still in the league, of course, but now is

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Speaker 4: very entrenched as a backup. And for so many years

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Speaker 4: Dalton really did, as Chris explained, represent that guy that

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Speaker 4: is the divide point, the prime meridian. And it is

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Speaker 4: that time of year to go through the quarterbacks of

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Speaker 4: our league and figure out who that guy is or

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Speaker 4: who or maybe there isn't one.

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 6: Are you making me go first?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I just want to.

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Speaker 6: I'm ready. No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I also know that you are feeling pressure based

491
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Speaker 4: on what we talked about at the top of the show,

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Speaker 4: So we're just here to set you at ease.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'll come down, I will do takes. I will

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Speaker 6: make some people mad. I'm ready for this.

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Speaker 2: It is a strange concept. It famously took Dan I

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Speaker 2: think five episodes to really wrap what the Dalton scale was.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that's beautiful about it and

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Speaker 2: Chris that definition he just gave to me is what

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Speaker 2: I always worked off of. But within that there's like

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Speaker 2: flexibility And one thing I was thinking as I'm making

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Speaker 2: the list of the thing now, is the Dalton Today's

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Speaker 2: Dalton line? If it's if there's a primary is better

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Speaker 2: than yesterday's Dalton scale, Like, it's not just hey, who's

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth best quarterback, it's how the league is looking.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's just more good quarterbacks now. So

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Speaker 2: the bar to me is a little higher for where

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Speaker 2: the Dalton scale is because you can find and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about it. I'm you can find some pretty capable

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Speaker 2: guys that to me are below the Dalton scale because

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Speaker 2: the cost the cost of the brick has changed, it's

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Speaker 2: gone up.

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Speaker 6: So I thought the same thing when I was ranking quarterbacks,

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Speaker 6: and I actually think some of it is the caliber

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Speaker 6: of quarterback play guys coming up. But I think a

515
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Speaker 6: big reason for this, and something that's going to really

516
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Speaker 6: influence which name I end up picking, is that coordinators

517
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Speaker 6: are better than they were five ten years ago. Some

518
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Speaker 6: of this is the pervasion of the Kyle Shanahan Sean

519
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Speaker 6: McVay wide zone quarterback bumper bowling offense, which I think

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Speaker 6: is really makes it harder to rank quarterbacks in a vacuum.

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Speaker 6: But when I looked at a lot of the guys

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Speaker 6: in the middle, I found that a lot of them

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Speaker 6: were quarterbacks that have thrived in those systems. With good

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Speaker 6: play callers, with good protection, and as you look around

525
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Speaker 6: the NFL, there's just fewer terrible situations for quarterbacks, for

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Speaker 6: average quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: And that's good for us as fans, because you know,

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Speaker 4: bad quarterback play with terrible game plan makes for.

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Speaker 3: Poor viewing experience.

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Speaker 4: So we're going in the right direction here, and maybe

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Speaker 4: a good way to get into it is just a

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Speaker 4: couple of guardrails here. First of all, who's checked out

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Speaker 4: of this conversation. Tom Brady's officially checked out of the conversation.

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Speaker 4: We think by the way, he's kind of in the

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Speaker 4: ownership group of the Raiders now. And again a few

536
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Speaker 4: weeks back, I pointed out that they don't really have

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Speaker 4: a backup quarterback and their new quarterbacks hurt all the time,

538
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Speaker 4: just saying and Matt Ryan, who is not officially retired

539
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Speaker 4: because he's got to make that money, still on his contract,

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Speaker 4: but he's now in the booth for CBS and hopefully

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Speaker 4: bringing that fiery demeanor and just ripping.

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Speaker 3: People to shreds on the air. I'm just still holding

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Speaker 3: out hope for that.

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Speaker 2: Ryan.

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Speaker 4: Last year when we did this exercise, I thought that

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Speaker 4: heat for using my memories of last year, I had

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Speaker 4: Ryan as kind of that guy to keep an eye on,

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Speaker 4: but kind of to mean his point a little bit

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Speaker 4: like this stuff when you are in that middle group

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Speaker 4: and you're a guy that's right on the edge, or

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Speaker 4: you're a veteran that's faded a little bit, or a

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Speaker 4: player that's not overly talented, and then the scheme goes

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Speaker 4: to hell and maybe some injuries. Even a guy that

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Speaker 4: on paper looked like it made sense, all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden he's performing at one of the worst levels in

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Speaker 4: the league. So it is all kind of connected.

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Speaker 2: Right, I look at like veterans. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know other people that we're going to get rid of.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is obvious. We've done this

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Speaker 2: every year. Is like the top of the league. So

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Speaker 2: we don't need to talk like Mahomes, Herbert, Allen, Burrow,

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Speaker 2: Lamar Hurtz, Lawrence Stop. If you get to anyone, we

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Speaker 2: would even need to discuss Rogers Dak Maybe that was

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Speaker 2: my list. Everybody discussion, Okay, is that it? That's it?

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Speaker 2: In order to.

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Speaker 5: Play us to fall off a cliff after said Dalton,

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Speaker 5: you know, participant, it's got to be like after that

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Speaker 5: list with Dalton in West's mind, like everything after was

569
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Speaker 5: like you're in a hot mess of a situation under

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Speaker 5: center for that organization. So it's like it falls off

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Speaker 5: a lot later to me than it used to do

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Speaker 5: in the past. To your point about quarterback played just

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Speaker 5: being better right now.

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Speaker 4: So after you get through those nine names Mahomes, Hurts,

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Speaker 4: Alan Burrow, Herbert Rogers, Prescott, Jackson, Lawrence, I'll just get

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Speaker 4: things going here with the guys that were right below

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Speaker 4: there for me, and uh, and see where you guys

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Speaker 4: come down out. So I got Stafford this time last

579
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Speaker 4: year was coming off you know, super Bowl win and

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Speaker 4: played out of his mind in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But now we're another.

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Speaker 4: Year later, an injury rec season, and uh, you know

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Speaker 4: he's he has a good play caller and a potential

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Speaker 4: ounce back team or a team that people are sleeping

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Speaker 4: on a little bit we talked about last week, but

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Speaker 4: I think it's fair to question where he stands at

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Speaker 4: this point. And then I have cousins as well, who's

588
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Speaker 4: always a tough one to figure out in this exercise.

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Speaker 4: Men as a guy that statistically, even though he came

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Speaker 4: down a little bit last year, is yeah, he's a

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Speaker 4: very steady, productive, productive quarterback. But is he a guy

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Speaker 4: where you lock him in and say, oh, we don't

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Speaker 4: have to think about quarterback for the.

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Speaker 3: Next five years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I have him above probably in that just above tier.

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Speaker 6: He had an interesting year last year because for a

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Speaker 6: long time, Kirk Cousins was like a statistical darling who

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Speaker 6: you didn't trust in to like make plays, you know,

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Speaker 6: like he would always finish here at the top in

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Speaker 6: all the advanced metrics QBR, CPOE, et cetera. And then

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Speaker 6: last year he, like you said, his stats fell off,

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Speaker 6: But weirdly I thought he had. He shown in big

604
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Speaker 6: games a bit more and was more aggressive, especially once

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Speaker 6: they traded for TG. So I think he's kind of

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Speaker 6: just in that nine to twelve or thirteen range and

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Speaker 6: we'll probably stay there.

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Speaker 2: I'd go much lower for both of them. Actually, those

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Speaker 2: two are two of the toughest ones to me, because

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Speaker 2: I thought about this exercise. Matt Ryan is a little

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Speaker 2: similar to where Matthew Stafford. I know we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: the decline out of Matthew Stafford, but when I thought

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Speaker 2: about it, like, do you need a new franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Have you had Matthew Stafford? I think that's another I

615
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Speaker 2: feel like that's an open question where he's if he's

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Speaker 2: above the line, like he's just over it. I feel

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Speaker 2: like he's not the Dalton guy because like Matt Ryan

618
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have been because if it falls out, he's just

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna he's gonna like the floor is gonna

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Speaker 2: fall out and he's gonna be way below the line.

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Speaker 2: But those were two guys I had much lower, like

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Speaker 2: five six guy names lower, and I actually think Cousins

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Speaker 2: because I at least eye test wise and the PFF

624
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Speaker 2: grades are kind of like that too. And I know

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Speaker 2: he was a little more aggressive, but I felt like

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Speaker 2: he could you could start to see the decline and

627
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Speaker 2: Cousins a year ago. And to me, he's always been

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Speaker 2: like the rich man's Andy Dalton and wouldn't settling into

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Speaker 2: being like the new Andy Dalton totally makes sense for

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Speaker 2: his mid thirties. So to me, he is one of

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Speaker 2: the strongest candidates to be that line. But I'm projecting

632
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Speaker 2: a little bit that he's that he's going to continue

633
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Speaker 2: declining into just a total Cousins like throwing the football

634
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Speaker 2: on the gender reveal like portion of his career.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it matters where the team sees

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Speaker 5: that quarterback two in real life, and I think the

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Speaker 5: Vikings are ready to move on after this season. I

638
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Speaker 5: feel like Kirk Cousins, his name has come up in

639
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Speaker 5: this conversation consistently every year, because there's got to be

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Speaker 5: something about the experience of that quarterback, Like there was

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Speaker 5: an element to Andy Dalton where it's like that twenty

642
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Speaker 5: fifteen season, he had a couple of really wonderful stretches

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Speaker 5: of play, but who actually believed that the destiny of

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Speaker 5: the Bengals was gonna be anything other than a glass

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Speaker 5: of milk with Andy Dalton once you got to January.

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Speaker 5: And that's sort of just how I've always felt about

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Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins. So for me, the exercise is like I

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Speaker 5: can't get on board with Matthew Stafford just because he's

649
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Speaker 5: coming off a weird year, but he just won a

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Speaker 5: super Bowl. It's like, this quarterback should not ever win

651
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Speaker 5: a Super Bowl for you.

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Speaker 4: I just want to the Dalton heads out there. I

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Speaker 4: wish he wouldn't have broken his thumb in Week fifteen.

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Speaker 4: I would have liked to see Dalton when he was

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Speaker 4: He was on a heater that season with a really

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Speaker 4: good offense, around him. I would would have liked to

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Speaker 4: see what would have happened, even if it's more than

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Speaker 4: likely it wouldn't have gotten to the super Bowl or

659
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Speaker 4: anything like that. It's just a bummer for the Dalton

660
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Speaker 4: heads out there that he never actually at full got

661
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: that chance.

662
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Speaker 6: Can I throw out a maybe a hot takey prediction.

663
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Speaker 6: I think Kirk Cousins is gonna be the Minnesota Vikings

664
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Speaker 6: quarterback next year. The more I think about it, Greg,

665
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 6: you might be right in a vacuum, but I think

666
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 6: he's in a really good situation offensively now with a

667
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 6: very good group of skill players. I wouldn't be surprised

668
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 6: if he plays I used too well for them to

669
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 6: draft one of the fun young quarterbacks, and that there

670
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 6: won't be many options, And this is kind of reflected

671
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Speaker 6: in our exercise. I don't think there's going to be

672
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Speaker 6: a lot of quarterbacks out there for Minnesota to upgrade

673
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Speaker 6: over Kirk Cousins.

674
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Speaker 3: Right.

675
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 6: Vikings fans probably don't like hearing any of this, by

676
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: the way, because I think they're already ready to move on.

677
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Right. That's the thing is like all the fans kind

678
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: of want to move on. Everyone wants. But that's why

679
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: he is to me, very close to that middle, because

680
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: if you're above the kirk Cousins line, I feel like

681
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: you don't need a Kirk you don't need a franchise quarterback,

682
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: and if you're below you, you probably do. So I

683
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: and just their vibes, they feel like they'd be similar

684
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: hangs at parties and Kirk Cousins along Mark throw something out.

685
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: The name that just comes to mind over and over.

686
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: And I felt this way a year ago, and I

687
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 5: think we're seeing the organization obviously feeling the same way.

688
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: I love the toughness of this player and I enjoy

689
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 5: watching him. It's Ryan Tannehill to me because I just

690
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: feel like he's just not gonna fully get you there.

691
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: I think the Titans that they drafted his success are

692
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 5: already and they've made a statement about where they are

693
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 5: with him. And so I felt strongly about Tannehill a

694
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 5: year ago and I still do, although I find it

695
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 5: more fun to watch than I ever found Andy Dalton

696
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 5: to watch.

697
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we kind of were bumping up against Tannehill for

698
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: a couple of years in this exercise now, and we

699
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 4: even flirted with the idea of the Tanna scale, which

700
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 4: is pretty good pretty good branding. But for me, this

701
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: was the first time doing this exercise where I thought

702
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: he fell fairly comfortably beneath the Dalton line. Not that

703
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: I don't think that he's a guy that can have

704
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: a productive season ahead of him. I think he could

705
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: even surprise people because people are solo on Tennessee at

706
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: this point if he could stay healthy. But in terms

707
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: of what this exercise is, I think he's now on

708
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: the other end of things. He's getting older. Does anybody

709
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: have him above the Dalton line in their world?

710
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 6: I have one quarterback of above the quarterback that I

711
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 6: decided was the midpoint, but they're very close and have

712
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 6: a lot of similarities.

713
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: Same I had them one above the line. Maybe it's

714
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: a bias. I always thought Tannehill was better than his

715
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: career had gone. He had those years where you know,

716
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: statistically he was a top five quarterback. I didn't think

717
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: he was a top five quarterback, but it showed what

718
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: he could do. And he's played behind the worst offense,

719
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: literally the worst offensive line in the NFL I think

720
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: in aggregate over the last two years, and his number

721
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: two receiver right now is Nick Westbrook. Akina, who who

722
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: was like non tendered and was given a one million

723
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: dollar contract, Like pretty strong argument that they have the

724
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: worst collection of receivers and offensive line in the league,

725
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: and he hasn't looked like total garbage, which is kind

726
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: of like I still, if I'm going into this season,

727
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: if you put him in Minnesota, like I think him

728
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: and Kirk Couzin, they're very different and it maybe doesn't

729
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: make sense in that system, but I think they're very

730
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: similar in terms of like the quality of the quarterback

731
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: that they still are.

732
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 6: Guys.

733
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Speaker 4: I had two that I really struggled with, and I'll

734
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 4: throw out one and I don't want to step on

735
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: Mina's because I kind of want her to roll it out.

736
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: But maybe I don't think I will hear Tua.

737
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh, that is disrespectful.

738
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do with Tua because we

739
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: know obviously that he played at a very high level

740
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: for large portions of last season. He also, you know,

741
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: has shown us he can go into funks as well,

742
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: and then of course the durability, which has to be

743
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: a factor when you're talking about franchise quarterbacks and building around.

744
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: So for that reason, he's actually just beneath the line

745
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: for me.

746
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: Whoa oh, he's the first guy you are gonna get.

747
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna make the Dolphins fans angry. That me too.

748
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: It's like, it's not like a Jets Dolphins certainly. It's like,

749
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: I don't like somebody make the case why he strongly

750
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: should be above the line based on what he's accomplished

751
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 4: in the league to this point and the very real

752
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 4: injury concerns.

753
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: I think metrics heads would want to fight you on

754
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: this one because he had an extremely clean season and

755
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: that took a big step forward. But I'm so with

756
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 5: you again. For me, it's more just the feel of it,

757
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: and this is and it's coming from ownership.

758
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: I get it.

759
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: But they chased after Tom Brady, they chased after Deshaun Watson.

760
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 5: I mean, there were just hints that were never really

761
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: fully satisfied. Now I think Mike McDaniel really seems to

762
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 5: like Tuam based on what he says. But I struggled

763
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 5: with where to put him. But I'd put him above

764
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 5: the Dalton line with a big weight.

765
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 7: And see.

766
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did exercise on my podcast recently where I

767
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 6: was trying to pick the most important players non quarterbacks

768
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 6: on every team for the season and for the Dolphins.

769
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 6: I ended up with toront Armstead, and when I was

770
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 6: grabbing his splits on and off, it's actually quite remarkable.

771
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 6: They almost perfectly hoe inside with the games that Tua

772
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 6: did not play. So Dolphins fans are probably screaming, well,

773
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 6: look how much the offense dropped off with Teddy Groppolo,

774
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 6: and well, Teddy Groppolo, oh my god, Teddy Bridgewater and

775
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 6: Skylar Thompson, which was player you know, the Teddy never played.

776
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 6: I don't think he played a complete game for them.

777
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 6: But they also didn't have their left tackle, so it's

778
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 6: a very noisy sample set skit uh and sample size.

779
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 6: And when Tua played without Armstead, he suffered as well.

780
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 6: In fact, the game he got hurt was the one

781
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 6: where Armstead got hurt against Houston. Tua sacked a bunch

782
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of what makes it harder

783
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 6: for me to rank him, just because last year I

784
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 6: thought he was excellent. When he played previous few years,

785
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 6: his situation was so awful, So I feel like I

786
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 6: don't have a great feel for who he is as

787
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 6: a quarterback. And when we look at I think we're

788
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: all talking about the same kind of guy, which I

789
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 6: keep going. It's these Shanahan quarterbacks, right, it's the same guys.

790
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 6: The other ones, I think I have a better sense

791
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 6: of who they are, and with Tua, I feel like

792
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 6: I still don't know, but he flashed enough upside last

793
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 6: year for me to have him above some of the

794
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 6: other names.

795
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think he's better than any of those

796
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: guys have ever been his level that he played at

797
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: last year. The timing, the accuracy, like the numbers were bananas,

798
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: but the eye test was good too. I know he

799
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: doesn't like have the big arm, but he was like

800
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: exceptional and that's why I feel like I would only

801
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: put him at the bottom of my top ten or

802
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: maybe like eleven or whatever. But he's comfortably way over

803
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: the line. And the injuries are a problem. But I

804
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: don't think you need to look for a franchise quarterback

805
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: if you got him, because like that production and that

806
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: like people aren't giving him, I think enough credit. They're

807
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: giving a little too much of the scheme people weren't

808
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: putting up like Jimmy G's never had a twelve game

809
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: stretch or whatever it was for Tua last year, like

810
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: none of those quarterbacks have. Derek Carrs never had it

811
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: like that. That was exceptional to me, and so maybe

812
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: it's not your breeze. But he if he stays healthy,

813
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: he's way over the line.

814
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: Three. Well, yeah, I agree.

815
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 4: If he stays healthy, I guess I can't get out.

816
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: I can't get over how precarious his situation is in

817
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: that department, because if he was a guy you could

818
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: lock in for sixteen seventeen starts, this wouldn't be the case.

819
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: But I hear what you guys are s did he.

820
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: Did start twenty six games over the last two years.

821
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: It's not like an outrageously low number, just.

822
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 4: Saying okay, okay, it's a slice in with a butter knife,

823
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: but that is okay, that's fair, that's facts.

824
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: Who wants to throw another player out something?

825
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: Who else struggled with? Somebody I struggled with Tua. Who's

826
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: struggling out there?

827
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 7: I want to hear one of Mina's Uh.

828
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 6: Well I did. The one who I ended up on

829
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 6: was Jimmy Garoppolo because I think right now in twenty

830
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 6: twenty three, the prime Meridian NFL quarterback is one who

831
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 6: you can not only win with, but you can win

832
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,959
Speaker 6: a lot of games with. Obviously, Garoppolo, But I don't

833
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 6: think anyone would say you win because of I think

834
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 6: it has to be one of these Shanahan guys, because

835
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 6: I think they're the ones we keep clustering in this mix.

836
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 6: And Groppolo is a guy not only like his numbers

837
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 6: are insane, not just wins. Like if you look at

838
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 6: pretty much everything over the last few years, all of

839
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: the advanced stats, he always ranks pretty high, except for

840
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 6: pushing the ball downfield, extending plays, things quarterbacks do outside

841
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: of the structure of the offense. Maybe he'll prove me

842
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 6: wrong in you know, playing behind a bad offensive line

843
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 6: this year in Las Vegas. But I feel like I've

844
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 6: seen enough to know where his strengths, what a ceiling is,

845
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 6: what the limitations are. He's a quarterback where I think

846
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 6: if you have him, you're comfortable with him. But if

847
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 6: you have the quarterbacks to who I would rank below him,

848
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 6: you're probably not comfortab with your situation.

849
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good argument if it's Jimmy

850
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: g and I don't know where you have him ranked.

851
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: A little bit I have them below the line, then

852
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: I feel like the line is quite low, and that's

853
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: that's sort of why I started talking about to me

854
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: the Dalton scales at a higher level. Now, it's like,

855
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: I feel like you can do better than Jimmy G.

856
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Even for me, if it's more in the Cousins Tannehill tier,

857
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: You're already potentially down to like the eighteenth, nineteenth best

858
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: quarterback in the league. And Jimmy G's just sitting out there.

859
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: I feel like he's blah and he's an injury risk,

860
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: so that puts him under the line.

861
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: I'm curious, like, how many like Mark, how many guys

862
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 4: do you have as you're above the line. I'm getting

863
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 4: the feeling that I have maybe a little stricter parameters

864
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: because I only have twelve that are truly guys that

865
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 4: don't even think about it. You're set there, go find

866
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: other ways to improve your roster.

867
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: Where are you at?

868
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 5: I have more than I have more than that on

869
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 5: above the line. I mean, for me, the line is

870
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: a little hazy because I feel like a year ago

871
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 5: I would have every year well, no, a year ago,

872
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 5: like I would have also maybe banged the table for

873
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: like Carson Wentz, but he's not a starter right now.

874
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 5: There's these guys that like have floated out of starting material,

875
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: someone like Jared Goff, who had a really one of

876
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 5: his best seasons, still stands out as a Dalton type

877
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 5: guy for me. One other person I mentioned who's sort

878
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 5: of in that world below him. I'm not sure what

879
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 5: you have, but he's a figure of mystery after last

880
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: year is Mac Jones. He just feels to me like

881
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 5: middle of the pack type of guy who does not

882
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: have like the complete and total support of his head coach.

883
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: To begin with, wait, you you kind of artfully dodged

884
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: my question like a politician, like is Jared Goff above

885
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 4: your line?

886
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 6: Like?

887
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: How many people are above your line? Mark?

888
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 2: Well, my guy? Oh the truth?

889
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 5: My guy is Ryan Tannehill. So I have him around

890
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: like around fifteenth or sixteenth?

891
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: Do you have golf below or above?

892
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 7: Below?

893
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 5: But I would rather have Ryan Tannehill, But I just don't.

894
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 5: I'd come away a little mystified by Jared Goff last year,

895
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: like is that what's gonna happen with him year after year?

896
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: If so, he's above, but I just don't trust it entirely.

897
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: I got him below.

898
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: Hey, For the two Seahawks fans on this podcast, are

899
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 4: you gino above?

900
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: For both of them?

901
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 6: Comfortably above?

902
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: Greg I don't want to blow up your spot here,

903
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: but you were doing some exercise I don't know if

904
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: it's for your podcast where you were ranking quarterbacks for

905
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: the next three years. I don't know if that's out there.

906
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: But you had Gino quite high, even more than I

907
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: would be comfortable with, which I loved, which I absolutely loved.

908
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: Like in the top twelve or thirteen, it stuck out.

909
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: I remember he was ahead of Watson, who we haven't mentioned. Yeah,

910
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Watson's a weird one. I think you have to put

911
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: him over the line for now, like I'm sort of

912
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: expecting that he'll come back to a.

913
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: Above average cut point for the record, like he's well

914
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: for me. And it was a wait and see aspect

915
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: to it. But and obviously it's a complicated situation.

916
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: The other Fields was the other one, and I love

917
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: and I love that you have Gino there, and I

918
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: would I have Gino close to there too, that he's

919
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 2: above the line.

920
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 6: You have Fields above Gino.

921
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 2: They're close. I think I would take Gina.

922
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: I think it would take I knew you pressed you'd

923
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: you flip your stance. Let me ask you guys, this,

924
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 6: what about Gino versus Kyler Murray?

925
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 4: I got Gino comfortably ahead of Kyler. I don't really

926
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: Kyler's similar to me. I struggled justin Fields too.

927
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have him.

928
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: I feel a little weird about that, you know what. Shoot,

929
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put Fields above. I'm gonna do a little

930
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: pruning here, so I'm gonna put him. So I got thirteen,

931
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: So I have him just above. But then I have

932
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: Kyler behind Tua's right below the line. Then Gino, car

933
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 4: Tannehill than Kyler before Jimmy g And I just don't

934
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: know what to do with Kyler right now.

935
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, like Kyl the athletic gifts are extremely

936
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 5: high on the list in general, But the experience of

937
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray over the last like two seasons, he's above

938
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 5: the line for me. But I'm not sure that an

939
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: organization like the Cardinals themselves are completely bought in on

940
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 5: the on the whole thing. I mean, there's just a

941
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 5: lot of evidence that it's a tough quarterback to to

942
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 5: center your team around.

943
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm buying the stock if people are selling on Kyler

944
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: at this point, he's still twenty five years old. Like

945
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: I do think that his next team might get the

946
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: benefit of his maturity increasing.

947
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 4: And but if we're talking about his next team, then

948
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: he's below the line, right.

949
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: If they want to get rid of him, I guess.

950
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: But for me he would he would be above it.

951
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: I would have him just ahead of Gino, But I guess.

952
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm curious how you see Geno sort of

953
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: in the next three years, like him compared to a

954
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: cousin's type.

955
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 6: What what's tricky about Gino is it's a one year

956
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: sample size. I feel like I've said sample size like

957
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 6: eight times. But you know, people would argue, well, he

958
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 6: was only good for one year, But unlike a lot

959
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 6: of one hit wonder quarterbacks, he didn't play. That's what

960
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 6: makes it so tricky, is like it legitimately did not

961
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 6: get a shot to do what he did last year

962
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 6: for a very long time in the NFL. So in

963
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 6: some ways that makes me probably higher on him. Maybe

964
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: I sound like a homer, but it does make me

965
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 6: higher on him than if he had been playing continuously

966
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 6: for seven years and then suddenly had a big breakout season.

967
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 6: The other thing I like about him is his particular

968
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 6: skill set. He's accurate, he's good in the pocket, he

969
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 6: has a nice deep ball. I think he sees the

970
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 6: field well is those are traits, especially the play in

971
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: the clean pocket, that do tend to continue year after year.

972
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 6: Again when we think about one hit wonders. So you know,

973
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 6: for me, he's not the like one of these Shanahan

974
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 6: guys that you know, Garoppolo is my Dalton pick, where

975
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 6: I think he is entirely dependent on situation, and I

976
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 6: think that's why I have him just above in that

977
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 6: second sort of ten to fourteen group.

978
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: I think like his deep passing was one of the

979
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: stories of the season last year. I mean, he showed

980
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 5: us that he can do everything, and so I struggled

981
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 5: with the whole concept of him, like weeks into the season,

982
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 5: Greg obviously led the charge on that, but by the

983
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 5: end of the year, it's like, well, yes, I completely

984
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: believe in him as a player, more than I ever

985
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 5: would have expected to before. This is also a team

986
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 5: that a parallel universe might have drafted Anthony Richardson, and

987
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: suddenly what they say they believe about Geno and what

988
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 5: Geno's arc would be over the next year or two

989
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 5: looks completely different. They just have no other option right now,

990
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 5: and I think they're pretty happy with him. Carol seems

991
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 5: to adore them.

992
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: Right, if we were just looking at a contract Dan,

993
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: like the most you know fields is tricky guys on

994
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: their first contracts are weird. Watson is almost in a

995
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: category to itself. But like the most Dalton scale contracts

996
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: out there are Geno, Derek Carr and Golf. Maybe you

997
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: throw Daniel Jones in there too, because it was a

998
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: two year contract. I know he's getting a lot of money,

999
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: but it wasn't.

1000
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: Like he's an Interestingly he talked about it.

1001
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there, but it's not.

1002
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1003
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: That's why there's a little nuance to this, because that

1004
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: doesn't mean like where I have him on the list.

1005
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: Which is like I don't know, like eighteenth or something.

1006
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 4: I like off in terms of especially what he's done

1007
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 4: in Detroit, and he's filled that niche and allowed them to,

1008
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 4: through solid play, continue to build that roster up rather

1009
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: than you know, burn a pick on a QB or

1010
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: some type of high priced trade of something something along

1011
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: those lines. But at the same time, like if this

1012
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: is about finding a franchise quarterback, he's the definition of

1013
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 4: a bridge guy. So he's lower in this exercise.

1014
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: To me than he is if I'm actually just ranking

1015
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: quarterbacks and terms of talent level and ability, So.

1016
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: Is he below the line for everyone? Golf and car

1017
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: were the first two names under the line for me,

1018
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: and it's not just because of the contract, but I

1019
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: feel like if you those are your guys, you're looking

1020
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: around for your next guy. And to me, that, by

1021
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: Chris's definition, is sort of under the line that I'm

1022
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: not gonna feel I don't even care if Derek Carr

1023
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: plays well for the Saints this year, I still would

1024
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: feel like I'm looking for another guy.

1025
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 6: So the line the Dalton has to be you're you're

1026
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 6: not looking to move on if you have well.

1027
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Basically, if you're looking for a new franchise quarterback, then

1028
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: then you're below the line.

1029
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 6: Okay, then then Garoppolo is probably below the line. I

1030
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 6: was thinking more about the level of play.

1031
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: See, it is complicated, it's always confusing, tricky.

1032
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 6: GoF is a pretty good because I think the way

1033
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 6: Detroit views him and the way they're acting and the

1034
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 6: way the fan base is reflects exactly what you're describing,

1035
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: which is a team divided about whether or not they

1036
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 6: should move on.

1037
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: Just for housekeeping here and then I want to tee

1038
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: up Mina before we wrap things up on a player

1039
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: that we haven't discussed yet. So the first player above

1040
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 4: the line, Mina, you had Jimmy G. But you're gonna

1041
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 4: drop him, So who would be yours?

1042
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: Now?

1043
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Jimmy G was your line right right?

1044
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 6: It was my line Tannehill right above him. I'm gonna

1045
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 6: shift it to tanne Okay, Tannehill.

1046
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 4: I have Watson, which is I don't know, a little

1047
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 4: bit of a cop out, but listen, deal with it.

1048
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: Mark, you have I had Tannehill too, Tannehill, Greg.

1049
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: You're talking about above the line or first.

1050
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: Guy above the line before?

1051
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: A first guy above the line for me was Tannehill

1052
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:43,479
Speaker 2: as well.

1053
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 5: Interesting, I mean Tannehill also, I believe could actually be

1054
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: a great definition of what we're looking for. But Golf

1055
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 5: maybe right below him?

1056
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: That's good.

1057
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 4: And then the two first two names below the line.

1058
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: For me, it was too and Gino. What was it

1059
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 4: for you guys?

1060
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: Ah? That hurts? Sorry?

1061
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: Uh mineor golf and Car and that I didn't even

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: get to Daniel Jones. It sounds like we all have

1063
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones below the line, which is kind of crazy

1064
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: because he just got it.

1065
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 5: I'm with you on Twitter at Car Derek Carr is

1066
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 5: a really attractive Dalton candidate to me, but he's below.

1067
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 7: He's a little bit below the line.

1068
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 6: I'll go Jimmy g right below.

1069
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: We did not talk about players without a ton of reps.

1070
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 4: So you know, Brock Purdy obviously, Trey Lance, Desmond Ritter,

1071
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: those guys are a little TBA. But Mina, there's one

1072
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: player out of Pittsburgh, a first round pick a year ago.

1073
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 4: Mark famously on the show recently said the Steelers are

1074
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: potentially dominant force in the NFL in the upcoming season.

1075
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: For that to happen, you would think, Famously like, did

1076
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: you guys do a segment about that?

1077
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 5: And like, no, I think they when they have a

1078
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 5: bad year, they will still win nine games. That they

1079
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 5: have an interesting young offense.

1080
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 7: I said, they're.

1081
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 5: Gonna win twelve, and if it it comes true, I'll

1082
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: talk about it all year.

1083
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 7: Otherwise, no one will remember.

1084
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: Kenny Pickett men at times now where like kind of

1085
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: projecting ahead what you see in store for his career?

1086
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 4: Where would he fall on an exercise like this, let's

1087
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 4: you know, project three years from now.

1088
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 6: Well, I just watched some Kenny Pickett because I'm talking

1089
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 6: about him a little bit on my pod, and I

1090
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 6: just kind of want because the Steelers offensive numbers in

1091
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: the final month and a half of the season were

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00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 6: actually really good, and I kind of wanted to understand why.

1093
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 6: And my memory of watching him at the end was

1094
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 6: that he looked better than actually I expected pre draft.

1095
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 6: I thought there were things that he flashed that I

1096
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 6: really liked. I thought he was more of a playmaker

1097
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: than maybe I would have anticipated. He's he plays surprisingly

1098
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 6: well under pressure. He was attacking downfield more than I

1099
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 6: would have guessed. There were things that I did not like.

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00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 6: I thought the accuracy was a little bit spotty, especially

1101
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 6: intermediate areas of the field. I thought he still held

1102
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 6: on the football way too long, which was a thing

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00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 6: he had problems with in college. And some of the

1104
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 6: decision making was a little bit suspect. Part of the

1105
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 6: reason I'm like kind of optimistic about him is the

1106
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: things I describe, particularly the holding on football and the

1107
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 6: decision making. I think those are things that he can

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00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: improve upon. It's an incomplete for me. You know, there's

1109
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 6: a lot of young players on that offense, still offensive

1110
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 6: line in flux, with a lot of new starters. Speaking

1111
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: of sus An offensive coordinator that I know Pittsburgh fans

1112
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 6: seem to loathe. But you know, I have n't blown

1113
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 6: the line, but with a big caveat that, we don't

1114
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 6: know yet, and I think I'll be ready to make

1115
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 6: a judgment after this season because of some of the improvements.

1116
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: He does profile a little bit as a guy who

1117
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: could be a candidate for the line. I mean that

1118
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: was the whole risk of that entire quarterback class though,

1119
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 2: and why he went where he did was like, maybe

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00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: the ceiling is a Kirk Cousins type career and he'll

1121
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: hill and that would be great. He would, you know,

1122
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: set up the picket family for generations, the.

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Speaker 6: Picket fence you called the picket fence.

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00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh man, But he might not be a top ten quarterback.

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: It's harder to be a top ten quarterback right now.

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00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's so good picket fence.

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00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: I would say, get the trademark application out for that.

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Speaker 4: Just a quick aside here because it just crossed my desk.

1129
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 4: The Washington Commander's trademark application was denied. According to Josh

1130
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 4: Gurban on Twitter, the US Patent and Trademark Office denied

1131
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 4: the application for the name Commanders. The reason for the

1132
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 4: denial was one the existence of a trademark for Commander's

1133
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 4: Classic and two pending applications filed by a man in

1134
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: the DC area. The Commander's Classic is the name of

1135
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: an annual college football game between Army and Air Force,

1136
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 4: so this is very current or soon to be ex ownership.

1137
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 4: They did not clear the trade mark of the name,

1138
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 4: so they might be changing their name joth Eisman, whether

1139
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: you like it or not, buddy, because they don't even

1140
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: have a trade bark on it.

1141
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I recognize they're one of the most incompetent

1142
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 5: organizations around, but how do you how do we even

1143
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 5: get to this point without that having been legally the favorite?

1144
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: We got to go back to the team.

1145
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 6: We got back to the team.

1146
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's coming back.

1147
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 6: Such a good name.

1148
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: Wait, can we I do want to throw out one

1149
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: name we haven't even mentioned, because you know, he did

1150
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: get like one hundred and forty million dollars guaranteed, and

1151
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: his team did trade I think three first round picks

1152
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: and two second round picks like Russell Wilson didn't even

1153
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: come up as like an option here. I guess we

1154
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: all assume he's below the line. But I just wanted

1155
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 2: to enter that for the record.

1156
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: What I had a different years, Jimmy g and Daniel

1157
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 4: Jones comfortably below the line.

1158
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: I have him below Mac and Pickett because at least

1159
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: I think Mac and pick it and I'm not giving

1160
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: up on Macki's below the line, but I think he

1161
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: has a chance, like at least I think they have

1162
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: a better chance to get there below.

1163
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's below, he's near it. So the thing that

1164
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 6: I was ranking quarterbacks for the next three years, I

1165
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 6: had a lot of trouble getting Russell Wilson out of

1166
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 6: my bottom five. And it's it's context doesn't matter, So

1167
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 6: I don't care that Sean Payton is going to probably

1168
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 6: make him look better.

1169
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: It's you're you're a good person to ask me, you know,

1170
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 4: as we kind of wrap up this chat, obviously you

1171
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 4: watched him more closely than anyone during his Seahawks run,

1172
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 4: and we all know we don't need to rehash everything

1173
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 4: that went wrong last year in Denver, but it literally

1174
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 4: was everything. Do you get the vibe with a better

1175
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: coordinator and you know, a year removed from the wreckage,

1176
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 4: that he could be someone we're talking about at the

1177
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: line or closer to it. Next year, or do you

1178
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: think come back the year irreversible decline At.

1179
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 6: This point, I mean Sean Payton in his final years

1180
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 6: with the ghost of Drew Brees still called a top

1181
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 6: five offense in the NFL, So I'm not betting against

1182
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 6: that man. I think people also downplayed the number of

1183
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: injuries on that Broncos offensive line, Jonton Williams even like

1184
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 6: Tim Patrick. I know that sounds like an excuse, but

1185
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 6: I thought was going to be an important part of

1186
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 6: that offense. So I think they'll be better. But as

1187
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 6: far as Russell Wilson's decline, that's been happening. It was

1188
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 6: happening for a couple of years before the trade, so

1189
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 6: I don't expect any sort of dramatic reversal. I think

1190
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 6: the question is can he just make him look semi competent?

1191
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: A nice little roster they got like six receivers deep

1192
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: semi competent?

1193
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 3: What did remember what they gave up to get them in.

1194
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: Now you have football expert Mina Kaim saying can they

1195
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: get him semi competent?

1196
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 6: I think they can.

1197
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: Now we've got him buried. We've got him buried below

1198
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: Golf and car and Daniel Jones. I mean I did too.

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Speaker 6: I'm just I mean, I think they can get out

1200
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 6: of it for this year. You know they it's expensive, But.

1201
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: I have him above Jones, Mac Daniel, really, Goff and Baker,

1202
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: you go above Golf? Yeah, Gofa again, it's I guess

1203
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it a little differently.

1204
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: I like GoF but not in this exercise.

1205
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, the Giants fans and are going

1206
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: to be second in terms of getting annoyed at this exercise,

1207
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: behind the Dolphins fans. So should we are we proposing

1208
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: who the scale is? Are we doing? Are we are

1209
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: we doing that?

1210
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not gonna fight it. If it's if

1211
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 4: three out of four have Tannehill and he's pretty close.

1212
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 2: But that's above the line. I thought we're looking for

1213
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: the line. You know, there's someone That's the whole thing

1214
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: with Dalton was he wasn't one or the other.

1215
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 4: I've always thought, like, you know, as the last couple

1216
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 4: of years and after West, like the line is just

1217
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton.

1218
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I feel.

1219
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 4: Like he was a once one in a million guy,

1220
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: and the the best we can do is find someone

1221
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: who approximates and gets close to that, but I don't.

1222
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like I think Tannahill is as close

1223
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 4: as as it comes personally. But you guys see us

1224
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: a little bit a tick above.

1225
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 6: It's right, it's the Tannehill. For me, you're either climbing

1226
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 6: up or climbing down.

1227
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 7: I like Tannahill is this.

1228
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 5: If tannel Hill and golf could have a baby, that

1229
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 5: would be the perfect like interception point there for me.

1230
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: This I disagree. I'm close. Golf has to be part

1231
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: of it, and it would be a very you know,

1232
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: classically handsome baby, but maybe just but not like great

1233
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: vite and Cousins like that's the Tanna scale. They embody

1234
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: the spirit. I think this is Cousins' destiny and I think, yeah,

1235
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: that's my proposal. It's a Cousin's golf baby.

1236
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: Is the time?

1237
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 4: Another earlier in the show, you said that Jimmy g

1238
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: and Teddy Bridgewater would.

1239
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: Make like a really hot person.

1240
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: That fine.

1241
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: I bumped up against that a little bit.

1242
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 6: You're fine, it's a little the Teddy bias creeping in.

1243
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 6: I think a little bit.

1244
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: All right, unbelievable. I think we've done important work here, Mina.

1245
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: You've said it all. Do you have any plugs stage yet.

1246
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 6: This next week actually is when I'm doing the quarterbacks

1247
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 6: on my podcast Menachim Show featuring Lenny So yeah, check

1248
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 6: it out if you don't already.

1249
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: And is it you?

1250
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 4: Can you confirm that if people find the Hunting and

1251
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 4: Fishing Show from nineteen ninety two six am, you will

1252
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: see a very young Mina chimes in that boat putting

1253
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 4: worms on a hook.

1254
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 6: I'm really not on ESPN that often right now. It's

1255
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 6: the off season, so well, I am on in about

1256
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 6: two hours on NFL Live.

1257
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 2: But do you know how to fish?

1258
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: She didn't die it.

1259
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 6: I have been fishing before, hunting, no.

1260
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 7: Catch anything good.

1261
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,479
Speaker 6: It was with von Miller and I caught a fish

1262
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 6: and he didn't brag. What a boast?

1263
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 4: Is it?

1264
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: Von an outdoorsman, isn't he he is?

1265
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is an outdoorsman. That's not great for the story.

1266
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the only person ever that's only gone fishing.

1267
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: One said it was.

1268
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 3: With Von Miller.

1269
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 6: I have a lot of answers like that.

1270
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1271
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 4: I was gonna say fishing sucks, but we already have

1272
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 4: enough people mad at us, so we don't need to.

1273
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thank you Mina for everything.

1274
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 4: And listeners know that it is a holiday weekend coming

1275
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 4: up Memorial Day, so we will not be taping on Monday,

1276
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 4: but we will be back on Tuesday. So don't worry

1277
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: for all the people that need that late May content,

1278
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: it is coming your way. Just hold tight and thank

1279
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 4: you again, Mina.

1280
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: That's it.

1281
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 4: Dan Hands is signing off for Quiet Storm, the old

1282
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 4: boss Mina Times and yes, the official and outspent for

1283
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 4: the new Prime Meridian kind of this. Maybe Tannehillport or

1284
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: maybe Kirk Cousins.

1285
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1286
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 4: One of them until next time.

1287
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: He's the cap