1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Recket recket for come. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm here. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome into the Vikings Tailgate, brought to you 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: by Ticketmaster. I'm your host, Siaminson, and Hey, it's Thanksgiving, 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: and we are thankful for all of you listening to 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: the show all year. We've loved the episodes we've done, 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: and since four of the teams we've played already this 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: year are playing today, we thought we would give you 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: a little best of talking about each of those teams 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: on today's show. That means we're gonna start with the Lions. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: They've been on Thanksgiving forever, just like Zach Martina has 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: been on this show forever. Here's Zach and I talking 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: about the curse of Bobby Lane and the growing cockiness 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: of Lions fans, ladies and gentlemen. The great Zach Martina 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: and Zach, I need to start with something we touched. 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: I think the first time you were ever on the show. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: I saw this article and it was talking about all 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: the weirdest stuff that's ever happened in Detroit and with 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: the Lions, and on and on and on, and one 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: of the things in there, it's the Bobby Lane curse. 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, In nineteen fifty eight, the Lions trade. 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: Bobby Lane to Pittsburgh. 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: To Pittsburgh, and he's a star, right he is. 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: He is the Patrick Mahomes of his time. 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: They trade him and he places a fifty year curse 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions and it runs nineteen fifty eight. 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: It's supposed to end in two thousand and eight, and. 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: It was adjusted for inflation. So that's it lasts. It's 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: gone gone, And what a few years longer than that. 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: Well, here's what I would say is super interesting. The 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: last year of the curse, your team went oh and 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: sixteen and in that fifty years you lost more games 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: than any team in the entire league. And you end 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: on an ohen sixteen. Then you got Stafford yep, and 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: now you're moving forward and now out of the It's 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: almost like it's real. How real is it to Detroit fans? 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Because you went there, then you got Stafford, you kind 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: of got out of it a little bit. Stafford led 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: to golf with led to all these changes. Dan, here 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: we go and now you are a multi year championship 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: contending team that people are picking at the beginning of 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: the season. Do you buy this? Are you all in 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: on the Bobby Lane curse. And now that it's over, 44 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: you're off and running. 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: I would be hard pressed to find a Detroit Lions 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: fan that does not believe in the Bobby Lane curse. 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: Because we needed a reason. We needed a reason that 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: we were like, okay, well this is this can't be 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: just the organization. This can't just be our team is 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: it's it's in the universe, it's intergalactic, it's whatever words 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: you want to use. But it was at least a 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: reason we could say, well, yeah, but you know, we've 53 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: got this, Like I mean, Calvin Johnson was on the 54 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: team before Matthew Stafford, and he was part of that 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: oh and sixteen team. To be part of a fifty 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 2: year stretch where you are losing more games than any 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: other team in the franchise, you have to have a 58 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: reason because it doesn't make sense when you have players 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: of that caliber. 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: So now that you're this new team and my team 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: is coming off, you know, from a fan standpoint, one 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: of the more difficult losses in the Kevin O'Connell era, right, 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: And I think that just that sentence speaks to how 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: impressive the coaching staff has been. I always use the 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: example you can use a ton of them, but winning 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a game with Josh Dobbs calling the plays into the 67 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: headset in Atlanta, like this team has finally arrived in 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: the place where it felt like adversity steam rolled them 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: against the Chargers, and we're not quite where we expected 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: we would be. Is there any is there any part 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: of your little fan brain that feels that you might 72 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: be vulnerable to a desperate team coming in and punching 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: you in the face. 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: Let me, let me go ahead and show you how 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: little my fan brain is. I'm not going to take 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: your bait. I'm not going to take your bait of 77 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: insulting me and coming at me saying I have a 78 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: little brain. I have a size eight head, all right. 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: When I played football in high school, they had do 80 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: special order a helmet. All right, When you knock on 81 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: this skull, it is not hollow. It's not little SI, 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: thank you, and I it is not. It is a 83 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: big brain. It is a big old brain. But I 84 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: don't I'm I mean, I'm always nervous because I've been 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: hurt in the past, but I feel really good coming 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: off of the bye. I feel really good coming off 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: of the bye. Who you'll come into at a home game. 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 2: No less, you know what, I'm just realizing. 89 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: In the history of you being on the show. The 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: first season, we were very good with Kirk and you 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: were having that season where you beat Green Bay at 92 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: the end of the year and you were like turning around. 93 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: You had the major season before the season. Second season, 94 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: you had a really great year. We didn't have a 95 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: reason to feel bad because we had a quarter back 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: situation that we were battling through. Third year, we're both great. 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: We play each other. It sucks that we lost to 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: you at the end of the season, but we're both great. 99 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: We're both feeling good. This is the first year that 100 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: there's some angst in this conversation between you and I. 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: This is the first year where you're still doing well 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: and we're not doing the things we want to be doing. 103 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, I hate it. 104 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: I buddy, I'll tell you the angst is all on 105 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: one side. 106 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: All right. 107 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: I understand you have. 108 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: An ad I've never noticed the attitude and tell my 109 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: team is not where I need it. It's only fitting. 110 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: If we're going to talk Lions, we should probably talk 111 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: about their opponents, the Packers. Uh, let's do a clip 112 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: of Chad and I discussing one of our most memorable 113 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: moments from our friendship from being on stage together. This 114 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: is the time Chad and I spent a weekend in 115 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Appleton right before Brett Favre's first game against the Packers 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: as a Viking. I'm your host, Siam and sinceitting across 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: from me as a guy who criticizes my intro every 118 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: week with his little smirk. Ladies and gentlemen, the co host, 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Chad Daniels, Hello, everybody. I don't know what's happening, but 120 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: the amount of trash talk early and often from Packer 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 1: fans is hitting me at a aggressive level. 122 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: Sure, I'm just gonna throw this out there. I believe 123 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: that the Packers and the Eagles should get all their 124 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: primetime games taken for the next seven years because that 125 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: was the worst game of football I've ever seen. 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, man, Like I am a little riled 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: up because like I don't really have the AMMO to 128 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: go back right. You know, you can't quite go back 129 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: as hard so what I've been doing, and I want 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: you to tell me what you think about this. I'm 131 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: not engaging at all. I'm only I'm not silent treating. 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, silent treating. 133 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: No, not quite. They trash talk me. If any of 134 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: the Packer fans trash talk me, I just send them 135 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: back a fact about their state that I think is absurd, 136 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: and then I no matter what they say after that, 137 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: then they get silent treatment. For example, somebody said some 138 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: really negative things to me, some heavy duty trash talk, 139 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: and all I wrote back was Wisconsin once had two 140 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: local towns argue over who would get a thirty foot 141 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: tall fiberglass badger statue. So a Milwaukee resident legally changed 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: his name to Count Justinian de mort wore a cape daily, 143 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: slept in a coffin shaped bed, and petitioned the mayor 144 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: to declare his birthday Vampire Appreciation Day. And I'd still 145 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: rather hang with him than talk football with you. That's 146 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: the sort of stuff that I'm sending back. 147 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: Well, that's a smart way to do it. I mean, 148 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: there are a lot of those. I've been to Wisconsin 149 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: several times, so have you to perform live stand up comedy. 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: That's actually the origin of our friendship. Know, I don't 151 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: know how many people know that our friendship the birth birth, 152 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: but I think the growth of. 153 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: Our flourishing when it flourished. 154 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: You want to tell it, you want to tell the people. 155 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: Well, we were in Appleton, Wisconsin, which is just south 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: of Green Bay, and we were working at the Skyline 157 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: Comedy Cafe. 158 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: And what year do we think this is? Back in 159 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: twenty Well it was the far of year. What year 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: was far two thousand and nine? 161 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: Okay, so we're there and we're doing We used to 162 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: do this decathlon thing where we would do ten events 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: that were somewhat athletic. Right, it was like wiffleball, home run, 164 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: derby point contest. Yeah, just stuff like that that wasn't 165 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: the actual game game, but it was derivative of it. 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: So we would do that and then on the and 167 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: then we were playing cribbage. 168 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: That's funny how the athleticism started with the athletics and 169 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: whittled down to let's play cards and move toothpicks. 170 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: Well toward towards the end of the week, you don't 171 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: have access, right, You can't like quick run to the 172 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: ry YMCA. What you can do is, right before a 173 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: set is you can put on a Vikings Brett Favre 174 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: Jersey like you did. And then I heard you get introduced, 175 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: and then I heard just thick booing without you having 176 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: said anything. 177 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: It was right before the first game that Brett Fav 178 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: played the Packers as a Viking. Was the It was 179 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the Saturday night before that was going to happen, I 180 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: think on a Monday. 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 3: And the people were I'm gonna go with less than 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 3: pleased yeah, And so that's when I thought to myself, like, yeah, 183 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: I think that he and I have a pretty similar brain. 184 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: So I went up on stage. Cliff, who ran the club, 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: pulled the lights up because and I quote he was 186 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: pretty sure somebody was going to throw a glass at 187 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: me because I was doing the Hulk Hogan like bump 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: up up, like hand to the ear motion, over and over. 189 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: And then you ran to the booth and as I 190 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: was going up, played the Monday night football theme music. 191 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: That's the one thing that I remember. And here we 192 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: are years later with the team letting us be involved, which. 193 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: That's right, and our friendship barely hanging on. 194 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: Jay the producer just said that people through pool balls 195 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: on the field at players during that game. When Farv 196 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: went back there for the first time and had signs 197 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: comparing Farv to Fredo from The Godfather. 198 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: So I knew it was you. I knew it was you. 199 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: I didn't get the pool balls, but you could. You know, 200 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: you could feel that that would probably be the reaction 201 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: in that room night, because I believe Appleton is where 202 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the opposing teams stay, so Appleton they're not just pack Evans. 203 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: I think they feel like they're really a part of it. 204 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I went to a Vike's Packer game Lambeau 205 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: and Brett Farav was still the quarterback, Dante Culpepper was 206 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: for US. Dante Culpepper was getting murdered. I'm saying, right up, murdered. 207 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: So I start freaking out. I'm screaming down the field 208 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: and the section around me right just a couple rows 209 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: started chanting all before I know it, within the minute, 210 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: the entire stadium. Here's the crazy thing about this stadium. 211 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: They don't have to have witnessed what happened. They just 212 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: know if somebody sends out the bat signal, we have 213 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: to join in. And so this entire stadium was chanting that. 214 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: And then we were at the bar afterwards back in Appleton, 215 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: because we were staying at the same hotel that the 216 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: Vikes were staying at, and we're at the bar right 217 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: next door and then this Packer fan comes in. He goes, 218 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: oh man, somebody, somebody from Minnesota really got it tonight, 219 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: because everybody was chanting. And my buddy goes, he's right here, 220 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: this guy. And I really didn't even do anything to 221 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: deserve it other than yelling, because remember when Farv and 222 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: even even Rogers that whole thing. The Packers got a 223 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: lot of calls. They were the chiefs. Yeah, they were 224 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: the chiefs of the early two thousands, so it was tough. 225 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a great place to take to break. 226 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: We will be right back with more Tailgate after this. 227 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: As the official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings and 228 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: the NFL, Ticketmasters the safest and most convenient marketplace to 229 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: score fully verified Viking tickets. So get those touchdown celebrations 230 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: ready and score your tickets today at ticketmaster dot com 231 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: slash Vikings. Hey Viking fans, right now you can pick 232 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: up a commemorative Pepsi Vikings Cup at us Bank Stadium 233 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: participating High Vy, Fast and Fresh locations and Buffalo Wild 234 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: Wing locations for your chance to win Victor's Ride or 235 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: other great prizes. Viking fans deserve Pepsi Skull Welcome back 236 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: to the Vikings tailgate once again. I'm your host, Simonson. 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: We're doing a little best of on Thanksgiving here. The 238 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: other two teams that we've discussed the season that are 239 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: playing today are the Ravens and Bengals. I live in 240 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: Bengals Country, and earlier this year, Chad and I broke 241 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: down the tortured nature of the Bengals franchise. The Cincinnati 242 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Bengals are coming to town and joining me to talk 243 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: everything about the city and the team. Is the one, 244 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: the only Chad Daniels. 245 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, BurrH. I'm excited. I'm gonna tell you something. 246 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: I'm excited for the game, and I'm excited that we 247 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: don't recap games on this podcast. 248 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: What a wonderful thing for us that we're always looking forward? 249 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: We got it, Hey, brother, There's a reason that the 250 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: windshield is bigger than the rearview mirror. You feel me. 251 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: We gotta look forward. That's what we do. 252 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: Here on I love that. Actually, I mean, I know 253 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: you did it in the hillbilly voice, but I love it. Normally, 254 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: normally we do the thing where we kind of dive 255 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: into both sides of what we like and dislike about it. 256 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: But I tell you, I live in Cincinnati. We love 257 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: the city, we love the comedy there, and because they're 258 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: team is a tortured like they I identify with them 259 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: as it. There's not many organizations that you can really 260 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: look at them and go, man, you just you've got 261 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: that same Charlie Brown vibe getting the football pulled out 262 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: from you in the fan base. So I like, yeah, 263 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a hard time saying anything negative about 264 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals or their fans. 265 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because when you're a Vikings fan, you go, 266 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: you know, what, this happened. Bad things happen to us, 267 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: and then when we watch the Bengals, we go, they 268 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: did it to themselves. It's a different attitude for the 269 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: same situation. My girlfriend said, we have a lot of 270 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: friends in Cincinnati, how do you cheer for And you go, 271 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm not going to listen to that, No, because we 272 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: cheer just as hard and we make fun of them 273 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: just as hard when we beat them. 274 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct. The U there is a really like 275 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: when I first moved here and you start meeting a 276 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of Bengals fans, one of the first things you 277 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: learn is that they were one of if not the 278 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: but one of the last teams in the NFL to 279 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: get an actual website. And the standard joke and it's 280 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: a dad joke, but it, dude, it rocks. Everybody goes yes, 281 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: because we had a hard time string in three w's together. 282 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: God dang, that's a good. 283 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: Oh, that is a really good joke. I think it 284 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: is actually because it's harder to type on a keyboard 285 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: when you have blisters from playing the banjo. They're so 286 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: close to Kentucky. The airport is in Kentucky. They call 287 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: it Cincinnati, and it's in a different. 288 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: State when you're down here, like when we move down 289 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: here as a Viking fan, the Cleveland rivalry, it's very 290 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: Green Bay ish. Yeah, there's this all time moment in 291 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Bengals history. It's like nineteen eighty nine. I think they're 292 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: playing the Seattle Seahawks and an official made of call 293 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: that the fans did not care for. And the fans 294 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: it's December, so they start balling up snowballs and heaving 295 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: them onto the field, and the Seahawks are like, we're 296 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: not playing with you throwing stuff at it, so they 297 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: will and the officials have to pause the game. And 298 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: I love the moments when when a coach when they 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: have to hand him the PA system and be like, coach, 300 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: can you please get a hold of these people? It's 301 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: so good. So they hand the coach at the time, 302 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: Sam Whitch, He gets the microphone and to the whole stadium. 303 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: He goes, will the next person that sees anybody throw 304 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: anything onto the field point them out and get them 305 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: out of here. You don't live in Cleveland, you live 306 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Imagine just being in like Grand Rapids, Like 307 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: it's yeah, you guys are pretty much it's very similar. 308 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's an all time moment. 309 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: That is like a dad just going like, hey, you're 310 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: acting like your brother right now, knock it off. 311 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: And I do feel that against the state of Wisconsin, 312 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: and I don't. It's so funny because when you cut 313 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: the top half of both states off, you could just 314 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: drive across them and it's nearly indistinguishable. 315 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: I've always said without professional football, it's the same. 316 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: State pretty similar. I think there's a cholesterol difference due 317 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: to a cheese product. Like somehow we were like our 318 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: state was like, we'll make milk, you make cheese. I 319 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: don't know how we decided that, but there's certainly a 320 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: heart clog issue there. 321 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 3: I think we were like, hey, come get all moldy milk. Yeah, 322 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: you can have our moldy milk. 323 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: The Bengals opponent today is going to be the Baltimore Ravens, 324 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: And of course, when we talked Ravens earlier this season, 325 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: we talked about one of the craziest finishes in Vikings history. 326 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Listen to Chad and I break it down here, let's 327 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: shift to the Ravens. You know, we do a little 328 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: bit of history on this show, and this matchup also 329 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: has one of my in addition to a crazy weird 330 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: stat one of my favorite history moments. I was at 331 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: Hilarities in Cleveland, sure for a week of shows, the 332 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: Great Hilarities opening for the Great Jake Johansson's this pretty 333 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: early in my career, huh. And I sat at a 334 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: bar all by myself and watched the twenty thirteen Ravens 335 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Vikings game and if you recall, we lost it. But 336 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: that was that absurd game where there was such horrible 337 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: snow that the field crew had to plow the field 338 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: at halftime, and in the last two minutes of that game, 339 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: everything goes nuts. Two minutes and seven seconds left, Dennis 340 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: Pitta scores a touchdown. The Ravens take the lead. Then 341 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: Boom Vikings get the ball back. Two plays later, blast 342 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: from the pass Toby Gerhardt Toby Gearhart forty one yards 343 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: for a touchdown. Ravens get the ball back, run the 344 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: kickoff back for a touchdown. They retake the lead. Then 345 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Corderioatterson scores on a seventy nine yard touchdown pass for 346 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: the Vikings. They take the lead, and then Marlon Brown 347 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: scores on a nine yard touchdown with only nine seconds left. 348 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: The Ravens win. I haven't seen every football game in 349 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: the history of football. I don't have that rolodex like 350 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: our friend Alex Schubert, but that has to be about 351 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: the craziest two minutes in the history of professional football. 352 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: And it was in the snow. Guys were sliding, guys 353 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: were diving. 354 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 3: That's what made those plays possible is that in the snow, 355 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: once you get going forward, it is so hard because 356 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 3: nobody can catch you because everybody's trying to cut and 357 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: make up ground on you. Now you say this is 358 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: the greatest professional game, probably in the snow. I'm gonna 359 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: throw one little amateur at you nineteen ninety one Cleveland 360 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 3: Elementary School field. I remember a Fritz Skinner going to 361 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: Sam Skinner for ninety nine yard touchdown, and then I 362 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: remember immediately Eric Johnson throwing a bomb to excuse me, 363 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: but yours truly in the snow, high stepping in my 364 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: sore l boots for the touchdown for the win. 365 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying it was the greatest professional snow 366 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: game of all time. I think people get really mad 367 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: at me for that. It's in the conversation for craziest 368 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: two minutes. 369 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, crazy is two minutes snow doubt. 370 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Can we just take a pause since he came up 371 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: in this memory for me and talk about Cordero Patterson 372 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: that game, he gets five receptions, one hundred and forty 373 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: one yards and a touchdown. I was thinking about him 374 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: the other day. I think it was tough to come 375 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: to our team, a team that we were the team 376 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: of a mad Rashad and the team of Chris Carter 377 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: and the team of Randy Moss. So you think of 378 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers in a very specific way. And he came 379 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: into the league and not only was he not that 380 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: type of guy, but he was so before his time 381 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: in terms of positionless football. I mean, he goes on, 382 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: he sets the NFL record for kick returns. Right, he's 383 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: like a four time All Pro. He wins, he goes 384 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: and he wins a Super Bowl with Bill Belichick, and 385 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: you can't be done and play for Bill Belichick. 386 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: Right of course. 387 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: And then he has this amazing second act to his 388 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: career where he gets to Atlanta and they go, you're 389 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: a running back and then everybody goes, oh, man, he's 390 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: so good at running back. 391 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 392 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: In retrospect, he's probably the most underdiscussed unique vite. Him 393 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: and Percy Harvin are kind of like the great what 394 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: ifs for me if they'd have been in a different 395 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: time period or gotten to do what they did late 396 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: Early Patterson. 397 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: Is the faith no More of football, right, faith no more? 398 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: What is it? It's it. They were Limp Biscuit before 399 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: Limp Biscuit, but nobody knew where to put them, and 400 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: so they didn't get the notoriety that they should have gotten. 401 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: And then Limp Biscuit goes on with Fred Durst to 402 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: like smash its and you're like, from my generation, you go, 403 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: this is a faith no more ripoff. And so that's 404 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: the same way I feel about Patterson. Sometimes people get 405 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: to the level they want to get to just a 406 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: little bit too early, and nobody knows where to put them. 407 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: Imagine, yeah, that's a great point. Imagine if Cordero Patterson, 408 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: if you handed him to Kyle Shanahan the same year 409 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan got Deebo Samuel. Sure, you're like, oh, 410 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: a giant Deebo Samuel. Mm hmmm, huge Cordero heads on 411 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: this show. Chat. That's going to do it for us 412 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: this week. Thank you to all of you for listening 413 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: each and every week, and thank you to ticket Master, 414 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: the official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings, for up 415 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: making the show happen. Enjoy the games, and Happy Thanksgiving everybody.